@@dusermiginte4647 3 Games in TWO years? See. When you write stuff like that it just makes you look really silly. At worst a total liar. There's been way more than that this year alone. Published by Sony let alone last year.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 spiderman 2, concord and astro bot.. Thats the 3 first party games from sony and thats it.. In not counting remakes of a remake of a remastered remake though...
No, people who are mature enough to weigh everything up realize that the pricing was almost inevitable. I’d rather it were cheaper but tbh, I wasn’t shocked and am I now looking forward to the PRO.
w/o the disk drive it's a no go for me. i already have two pc's that out class it anyway. i really did want one though, i actually waited to get a ps5 because i wanted a pro.
@@caliginousmoira8565 I bought the ps5 slim external disk drive a while ago in anticipation of it being sold w/o one. I dont want to go back down the PC route, If I did I’d end up buying a path tracing CP2077 monster
People don’t understand that even the best of the best pcs even struggle to get triple a games to run at native 4k 60 even 3rd party games. For 100$ more you’re damn right I’ll get a pro . Series x has a 2tb version with no upgrades.
Forget about people spending money on electronics then say they can't afford the ps5 pro. They most definitely spend more money on drugs, smoking and alcohol. Cut that garbage out and they'll be able to afford one.
Why does everyone assume that all console players are console players because of cost? I play on console because it’s easier and more convenient. And I’m guessing I’m not the only one.
I should have expected it, but I really don't understand why people thought this would be cheap. It's a 100% superfluous device aimed at enthusiasts. Of course it is going to be expensive. It's like how most people have a $300-400 GPU in the gaming PCs, but Nvidia and AMD produce $1000+ GPUs for the power users. Those high end GPUs won't be the top sellers by a long shot, but they exist for a very specific niche. For most, the base PS5 is fine. My launch PS5 is fine for me. The PS5 Pro is completely unnecessary to play PS5 games. It is a luxury product for people who are okay paying luxury prices for whatever improved experience it offers.
Reason for purchasing a ps5 is because I knew about a ps5 portable called rumor portal even before the ps5 came into existence. I want sony to make a native handheld/cloud gaming device
if I did not have a PC, buying the PS5 pro is the better value. I can get a PS5 Pro, AND a 4k tv (with up to 120 hz refresh rate) for a total of @ $1000. To buy a prebuilt PC capable of 4k, with a decent sized 4k monitor, I will definitely be spending $2500-4000. If I build it myself, i STILL pay more than $2000, plus the time it takes me to build it. The people who are saying "just buy a PC" often brag about having $4000-7000 PC with 4090's and such....
@@stephenthompson2505 it might be crap, but it will still be 4k. Heck, one of the "best" rated TV's for use with PS5 is a TCL. Forget where I saw it, but it was there
@@jonathanwessner3456 best rated TV won't be a TCL good for the money but very below par... LG C3 or C4 or a Sony X90L is a decent starting point.. TCL crap build quality alright for a second tv but that's about it
By far, this is the best video I've seen on the PS5 Pro. I saw one Xbox UA-cam channel mocking the Pro, but he buys all the Xbox controllers, so he has spent well over $700 on controllers in this console generation. But let's attack someone else for spending their money however they want.
last gen i never got a ps4, i only got the ps4 pro.. and i want to do the same this gen when november comes.. i didn't get a ps5 yet.. i haven't really even needed one since games like gow ragnarok and street fighter 4 were available on ps4.. but im looking forward to jumping into ps5 and getting 60 frames with great visuals
This was a great take on what is going on, Foxy. I'm glad that you made this video. I'm excited about the Pro. NX Gamer, RedGamingTech, & MooresLaw all had very positive information on it. This thing is going to be awesome. Can not wait to pre-order one.
We don’t want people to buy it at 700 cause we know if people don’t buy them sony will either bundle it with a disc drive and a stand or drop the price or both
Those who have been conditioned to doing yearly cell phone upgrades, or upgrading their TVs every year, will probably have no problem trading in their old hardware and upgrading to the new. If they bought a $500 PS5 with the disc drive, and now get a $300 trade-in, then they'll "only" end up paying $480.
@@celica5952 I can play PlayStation exclusive fine at 4k 60 native just fine 😂 and I don’t know what you are going on about consoles have had some unoptimzed games as well and some reports say the ps5 pro will not play all games at 60fps and as for alien wake 2 864p resolution at 60 and 1200p resolution at 30fps what is that all about 🤣and the cpu is just the same as ps5 it’s only 10% better 🤣 plus games are way cheaper on pc as well 😂
The phone contract argument never made sense because you do payment plans with certain retailers. Just do a payment plan with PS5 Pro and boom its the same with paying for a phone except CHEAPER
I think I’ll wait. It’s not out of my range, but I’m yet to be convinced. It’s a lot of money and I’ve not seen many new games on the horizon in the last two years.
I can agree but I will still be getting it at launch because it will be cheaper for myself because I will be using trade-in promos that GameStop Canada will be having. Soon they will be having $15 games will bump up to $30 and in order for me to buy a game that warrants the 30 bucks is usually around 4 bucks. The PS5 Pro in Canada is $960 which means I will need 32 games to trade towards it. If I do than 32(games) x 4 = $128CAD. Then I will still need to buy an optical drive and if I just outright buy it would cost $113. Then $113 + $128 = $241CAD. Not too bad.
Why are you still bringing xbox into this conversation! The last time that i checked that console is a limited edition, right? The Spiderman 2 limited edition console with the paint job and digital edition of Spiderman 2( even though you champion physical) with the same 825gb launch ssd is $599. So $100 more for a paint job and digital $70. Digital version of sp2 game vs $100. For a paint job and an extra $150. 1tb ssd upgrade. Is still a better deal. Comparing that to a ps5 pro base model is even more ridiculous. Because it has no limited edition paint job, disc drive or stand. The last 2 are an additional $110. So its really £823. For a full version of the ps5pro vs £549. For a full version limited edition series x and controller. This is beneath you my guy! Sony is wrong this cannot be justified!
You can actually build a pc that has similar specs for $700. Also, it isn't the $700 price tag that is the issue. People are tired of high prices for less. If Pro came with disc drive and stand wouldn't be issue. The fact that just those 2 features people want are missing and will cost another $100 to get.
You’re not building a brand new Pc with brand new parts on the level of the pro specs stop the nonsense you can’t even get the RDNA 4 GPU that’s in the pro yet lol you morons should be tired of the whining and trying to convey and sway people we don’t care about Pc
Love your stuff, and agree with what your saying here. It's like people who love xbox are deflecting because as you said ms is releasing a series x console without a disc drive (lol), and has a 2 tb ssd that costs $600! There's no tangible difference besides more storage, and the downgrade omitting the uhd disk drive. Small aside ms puts a sony uhd in their consoles that still use one. Great stuff. I'm loving all of it!
Exactly. When I built my PC and it's a mid range build, I spent over US$1K. MY GPU ALLONE WAS OVER $300, MY CPU was almost $200 that's over $500 and I haven't even included the motherboard the ram, CPU cooler, and the case plus keyboard and mouse and I can't even do RAYTRACYING at 30fps.
But the problem is all these UA-cam channel clowns that are bashing the pro will get one just like the ones bashing the new iPhone because of all that UA-cam money and the only time there channels will be relevant on UA-cam unfortunately for me the pro is coming out at the wrong time as I’ve got a family holiday come up and my wife would kill me if I did
PS5 Pro is for the people with TVs that support VRR, ALLM, HDR tone mapping and Auto genre picture mode. The PS5 has never really needed those features until now. For the absolute best quality buy the Bravia XR Mini led tvs, preferably the X95L/A95L or the B9.
Actually, I get the strategy but with compression and bit rate inconsistency from UA-cam, it didn’t go over well. If I can reach back in the closet and make these old games look better with minimal work, just imagine what will be when it’s added to the development process of future games by the way I believe, I could be wrong, that Sony has made Pro Mode mandatory on releases after August…
@@dusermiginte4647What? That makes nonsense whatever. And scalpers don't purchase add-ons. So no. Face it the PlayStation is the market leader and all the lying on the internet isn't going to change that for you.
Dudes are out there saying they can build a PC for the same price, but are leaving out peripherals, disk drives, 2tb SSDs, monitors, Operating systems, someone to build it if they're not capable. etc etc
I was going to get one before the reveal and jumped back on the fence after the price reveal. As time passes and i see people complaining, the DF deep dive being leaked, i think i will pick one up just without the disc drive. Two fingers to the whiners.
Must not have been paying close attention the the critics, because many have complained about the pricing of the updated Xbox hardware. Especially since it's just a hardware refresh and not an actual mid-generation upgrade. But Sony not only raises the price on the regular PS5 in some markets, likely to justify the high price of the PS5 Pro, but they have announced very few new 1st party games to justify the new hardware purchase. Sony has gotten a bit too comfortable being on top, that it looks as if they aren't even attempting to appear consumer friendly anymore. As much as I would like a PS5 Pro, I'll wait a few years for the PS6. The backlash is extremely warranted, in my opinion. At least until we get some big Sony game announcements to justify the upgraded hardware.
“You don’t have to buy it” - perfect! People don’t have to buy any of the stuff they complain about. It’s almost as if they are being forced as their lives depended on it. You don’t have to buy the iPhone 16, you don’t have to buy The Last of Us remake…. There is always an option for you.
Willing to buy a PS5 Pro and not for old games that are already out, but for future games coming out. Like for example Crimson Desert, which prob comes out in 2025. But i'm really curious about Chrono Odyssey and ArcheAge 2, which prob coming out in 2026 and prob are pretty demanding, hardware wise. Really looking forward for those games and i want them to play smoothly, even if it cost some money to buy a compatible Playstation console. But my biggest question is: will the PS5 Pro be good enough for those games or is it wiser to wait for the PS6 and when does that console come out? 🤔 (great vid btw!)
Foxy there you go again being a sensible gamer, pointing out that the xsx is just a $100 cheaper than ps5 pro with NO upgrades. Currently on amazon a ps5(slim digital) is priced at $450usd and a 2TB ssd drive from western digital is $160usd. Yes the price of the pro is a bit much but there's value to be had if compared and not just look at the $700 price. .
I reckon I’d rather spend the money on a Steam Deck and a Series S for the bedroom. Choices, as you say. Would I buy a Pro. Yes, but probably in 3 to 4 years time when people start offloading them. Budget gaming has its charm. 🙂
Foxy.... i think people are shocked at the price due to A the cost of living and B is the pro really needed? I have gamed on console since the late 70s. I moved to PC three years ago and it was a game changer for me. I kept my PS5, sold the Series X. I was sick of compromise on consoles and fake promises. All features come with a caveat of some kind and it started getting on my tits. My PC is in another league, i never have to compromise anymore. 8K is pointless as it never took off. No disc drive and asking you to buy it as a separate is a piss take. £800 plus for a console that will give you a cleaner image and 60 fps. On PC 120 fps is standard for me and at times, at 4K... maxed out and superior ray tracing. My first PC which was a 3080 set up passes the PS5 with ease in performance and visual fidelity in games. I am not knocking on consoles as i spent years with them but this time i wont be buying as for my current circumstances i do not need this and i wont gain anything technically above my PC.... The PC i have is superior even to the Pro. It is totally up to people if they want to buy this system and good luck to them. Games are still £70 a pop , that is not good. I never pay over £40 for launch day PC game. Plus on PC you have an open platform, you are not tied to just Sony or MS or Nintendo... and my PC is set up in the lounge, sofa play, just as is my PS5. I just think Sony and others are starting to become Apple and Samsung and people are forgetting the most important thing... all this flash hardware means sod all if the games are the same old tat... Stellar Blade was pretty good, Astro is amazing... but its not been a great showing of fresh new games in the gaming world ... Wukong is incredible on PC but time and time again we get the same old stale AAA crap or service games.... Powerful hardware is all good and well but what's the point if the games are lacking innovation? Anyway, keep up the good work....and yes, people can spend their money on what they want, its choice at the end of the day... i just hope this type of console release pattern and pricing is not the way forward. There is a slyness about Sony these past few years.... I would rather see fresh, interesting games..
Lol! That is good for you! Yet at the same time so sad! The mere fact that Sony launched a brand new controller this gen with more power draw and practically the same battery. Then also place that similar battery in the $240. Edge controller is ridiculous on all levels! But you guys accept it. And now have to take your controller apart to upgrade the battery Playstation should have!🤦♂️
It’s still gonna sell like hotcakes guaranteed and they say the price range is too high but four years ago when I got the Xbox series X and had to get the Seagate storage together was like $840 that shit
The thing is that people can share two thoughts at the same time. I did to a well known MS UA-camr! I can still be severely concerned about the cost of the pro. We also have had a complete dearth 1st party games in the last 2 years & haven’t had a true 1st party showcase without a clear roadmap. I have no problem with holding my preferred gaming platform & hold them to higher standard. SONY does a terrible job with controlling the narrative since the Jim Ryan era & they have had deplorable marketing & not showing new games to justify their price, but there’s a law of diminishing returns, imho.
The hardware is good value, no doubt about it. People are conflating software issues (the prescription that ps5 isn't producing enough games) with hardware. For me, Sony haven't quite convinced me that it's a must buy right now but there's no denying the hardware is impressive. Will get it eventually.
Am buying the ps5 pro yes I am abit pissed that the disk drive didn't come with it but I will buy at a later date because I do prefer my discs physical media needs to stay
Obviously the pro ain't for me. My PS5 is not even 3yrs old yet... I'm not a big tech enthusiast. And i also don't care to have AI, i have my reasons for that!
The ignorance currently of others is annoying, but i personally hope it stays that way atleast until i can secure my PS5 Pro pre order in 😂 If everybody wanted it like PS5 in 2020 then I'd have a hard time securing my order for launch 😂
2:00 Lol going hard in the paint AGAIN with an apples to oranges comparison. Critics are going after the PS5 Pro because the $600 Special Edition XSX with 2TB drive includes the DISC DRIVE. PS5 Pro with disc drive is $780. That's why people are pissed because for $400, you can get an all digital PS5 but the all digital PRO is $300 more expensive so Sony is charging $100 for the TB upgrade and $200 more for the hardware improvement. That's ridiculous!
Well it gets worse!😂 The xbox can stand by itself that needs a $25. Stand. So it's like $805. €923. £823. Secondly the xbox version is a limited edition console and controller with an extra 1tb. Ssd which is an additional $150. Value. The Spiderman 2 ps5 bundle was also $599. With a custom console as well but just a digital version of a $70. Spiderman 2 game. Shouldn't he compare that to the ps5 pro?🤷♂️
@@truknetThis Xbox is also the worst Xbox created of any of their generations. People weren't buying them before. They certainly aren't picking that one up.
Its fake outrage. A lot of people recently paid more for a lesser PC, moving from Xbox. Now those people are crying, scrounging craigslist looking for fake computer parts to justify their choice. Almost every retailer offers financing too, for those arguing about phones being paid for monthly. No difference
A 4 year old x6800xt is twice the rasterization of PS5, they should have just based it on this and had pure compute But i agree Sony need to develop and beta pssr for ps6 - because that will be the really challenging next hardware revision at a desent budget.
At the end of the day $700 is to much $600 is max. I don’t think people are mad that you’re spending $700. I think people just don’t want too many people to buy it at $700 and giving Sony the idea that price is ok and we get a $800 ps6.
So XSX with not a single upgrade just a 2tb drive @600 is fine gotcha! Pathetic since PSSR and a custom GPU, and offloading from the CPU(everybody forgot that story about 6months ago) ain’t worth $100 stop it
@@reelroyalevizion800 not at one point did I say it was worth the hundred dollars comprehension is key my point was people are trying to make a point that $700 is too much
@@carrybigspeaksoft1758 it’s not tho… a Big Mac meal was $5.00 when PS4 Pro launched, how much is it now? Now apply that to gaming in general and be glad very glad we have never got hit with inflation in our space. Adjusted games would be $100-$125 be grateful
@carrybigspeaksoft1758 Designer clothing isn't worth the price tag, but people still buy it, actually anything with a Brand name is usually more expensive than it should be.
@@fishmo_mofish that’s a good argument, but I wouldn’t consider this on the level of designer clothes because PlayStation doesn’t have any games only for the PS five or very little I think I would complain very little about the price if there were just more exclusives for the PS five but $700. We do not need to set that as the bar next year will be getting thousand dollar PS six and a video game system is not comparable to a phone, you carry your phone everywhere you go you use it almost 24 seven you play your PlayStation for a few hours after work it does not have the same value
Yup, the world and internet is crazy. Sick of the armchair experts, just making themselves look like fools time and time again. I'll be buying a PS5 Pro, not day one due to other commitments, but eventually ASAP. Is the PS5 Pro expensive when compared to the standard PS5? Yes!... Is the PS5 Pro too expensive for what it's offering? No! (I'm referring to the tech inside the console, not the disc drive and stand) Is the PS5 Pro for gamers who are happy / content with the standard PS5 image quality, graphics quality & performance? No!
@@dantenage9687 Why? Because I actually understand the technology, it's potential and where it's going? Or simply because I want a PS5 Pro? Do elaborate... Every device has pros and cons, there is no perfect device, and what's important / valuable to some gamers won't be to others. Some people don't care about all the pros the PC has, and some people don't care about all the pros consoles have. It comes down to what matters most to each person!
If you like playing on PlayStation and want to get a ps5 pro then get it I not because I mainly play on Xbox and my rog ally and yes I got a ps5 for PlayStation exclusive but when next gen starts i get a gaming pc They get PlayStation and Xbox games on it
But isn’t “dumb money spending” subjective? What if someone said that you buying a car is dumb money spending? Same for those who purchase premium products like AirPodMax pros or Steam Deck OLEDs. What’s the difference? Ppl should be able to spend their money however they choose without having to worry about critique from strangers.
@@meek6119you're missing the point...i literally said nobody cares how you spend your money...im just saying you cant tell people they cant comment on your spending
@@dionlandon479 Me being a complete stranger to you, yes, I can comment on your spending habits all I want. But what does my comment matter to you? I’m a stranger and I should have no influence on how you spend your money. Just try to think of this from your own perspective of having someone online critique your spending habits. That wouldn’t come off as a bit ridiculous to you?
@@meek6119no it would not. As a pastor, I withdrew my preorder of a new iPhone 16 when some of my members began talking about it. I should not be indifferent to their reaction because it is my money, especially when I realize I can utilize same or similar amount to massively impact lives around me (like food and clothes for the adjacent orphanage)
It is curious that you take this jab at the Galaxy XSX costing $600 when you know over here in the UK it will be £550. Where as the PS5 Pro will be £700 here, there is a massive difference. This doesn't even include the other parts you need, the disk drive, and stand. The Galaxy XSX is a "limited console." There's is nothing special inside apart from it having on extra 1Tb SSD and a paint job. If you are looking at this from the consumers side, the Galaxy XSX would be a lot cheaper to buy if you were to get a normal XSX and buy the expansion card separately. The problem I see with the PS5 Pro is that there are too many misleading quotes in this video. Take the Ratchet and Clank section where Ratchet is standing next to the audience, on the PS5 side everything looks fine, then look at the PS5 Pro there is pop-in by the leaves next to Ratchet legs and this is a 1st party game, which according to them has be optimisted to take full advantage of the PS5 Pro hardware. Then, the Hogwarts Legacy section, where some guy is fighting some creature with a wand and in the background, there is pop-in on the rocks. According to Digital Foundy, this game was running at 30fps. This does not go well for the announcement of a new console.
Who tf cares if GT, a racing game, is running at 8k? The amount of people who have an 8k TV next to nill. The system is pointless and a waste of money no matter which way you shill for it
@@brianmcswain8932 I know that, Einstein that’s why I brought it up because he mentioned it in the beginning as part of the feedback people were giving about playing it in person. No one cares GT, a racing game that came out years ago, runs at 8k. The differences are not worth the 700-800 asking price. This gen is almost over as it is
@@TheKing8608_ lol night and day. Sure it is sweetheart. Keep telling yourself that I’m sure it makes you feel better. And for the record I have a custom build with a 4090. If you want to see what real ‘night and day’ difference is.. work really hard, save up all your pennies, and buy a real gaming rig.
Foxy these are the same dum dums spending 1600 on phones Which by the way has one coming out every year but 700 for a ps5 pro...proposterous. I'm getting mine day one and if I can get the 30th anniversary edition I'm in. Saved up a d ready and yes I own both systems,I follow you and I love how you break it down with no filters what so ever. You rock
they forget to add their own labor, and a 4k screen, as well as all the other peripherals to "match" what you get with a PS5 pro and a cheap 4k tv (total cost @ $1000)
💯 PC gaming always adds up real fast once it’s all set up. Every PC gamer knows not to add up their lifetime spend on parts, games, software, and secondary items into a spreadsheet, unless they want a temporary bout of clinical depression.
@@jonathanwessner3456 only since 2000s for me. Last time I did this exercise was around 2015-2016 and I was sitting at about $20k as well. I don’t want to check now lol.
@@dradis1 I try to use mine as long as possible. Had a lightning incident where I had to rebuild 2 PC's , and was able to fix both for $300 at the time. Current build has @ $2500 in it.
Just bought two drives and two stands for me and my daughter. Bring on the PS5 Pro!!!👍
Ouch!
@@dusermiginte4647 Not for me-We knew the Pro was coming and have been saving up for about a year.
@@brianmcswain8932 you will be soooo disappointed..
Dope, I would like to find a RGB lit stand for the pro, I can't wait for the pro to arrive
I know quite a few of my PS5 friends have bought the disc drive in preparation for the Pro. And myself also. Bought two for me and my daughter.👍
People like you are the reason why sony overpriced this console trying to test what they can get away with.
@@samuraiedge9761here he comes again with the criticism😂 bro give it a rest.
The cool thing about PSSR is it will continue to be upgraded over time
Much better deal than the Xbox X 2tb for $600 releasing this fall!!!!
it was supposed to be $650 guess they changed it.
Is it? 😂
When sony released 3 games in 2 years and one of them was concord?
@@dusermiginte4647 3 Games in TWO years? See. When you write stuff like that it just makes you look really silly. At worst a total liar. There's been way more than that this year alone. Published by Sony let alone last year.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 spiderman 2, concord and astro bot..
Thats the 3 first party games from sony and thats it..
In not counting remakes of a remake of a remastered remake though...
No, people who are mature enough to weigh everything up realize that the pricing was almost inevitable. I’d rather it were cheaper but tbh, I wasn’t shocked and am I now looking forward to the PRO.
Yeah, you are a big boy, who is a big boy?
w/o the disk drive it's a no go for me. i already have two pc's that out class it anyway. i really did want one though, i actually waited to get a ps5 because i wanted a pro.
@@caliginousmoira8565 I bought the ps5 slim external disk drive a while ago in anticipation of it being sold w/o one. I dont want to go back down the PC route, If I did I’d end up buying a path tracing CP2077 monster
People don’t understand that even the best of the best pcs even struggle to get triple a games to run at native 4k 60 even 3rd party games. For 100$ more you’re damn right I’ll get a pro . Series x has a 2tb version with no upgrades.
Good news, i don't give a shit what people on the Internet think about my purchases. 😂😂😂
that's right git dammit, fuck yo feelings
You can just as easily finance a PS5 pro. Almost all retailers offer financing, just like people finance phones
I'm getting the pro day one. I have a $3000 TV, and I expect the pro to last me until 2030
Forget about people spending money on electronics then say they can't afford the ps5 pro. They most definitely spend more money on drugs, smoking and alcohol. Cut that garbage out and they'll be able to afford one.
Keep in mind people that buy Starbucks twice a day. My neighbor spends easily $400CAD a month on Starbucks.
you are right lol.
But what makes games more fun, 4k 60 or weed?
Who cares if it’s not raw 4k when it can look just as good with PSSR?
With some updates it will look better than native mark my words
Why does everyone assume that all console players are console players because of cost? I play on console because it’s easier and more convenient. And I’m guessing I’m not the only one.
I can't wait for PlayStation 5 Pro to get into people's hands and people can see how awesome it is
And the Internet can stop crying
They won't stop capping, that's like sustenance for them. It's what some people live on.
I should have expected it, but I really don't understand why people thought this would be cheap. It's a 100% superfluous device aimed at enthusiasts. Of course it is going to be expensive.
It's like how most people have a $300-400 GPU in the gaming PCs, but Nvidia and AMD produce $1000+ GPUs for the power users. Those high end GPUs won't be the top sellers by a long shot, but they exist for a very specific niche.
For most, the base PS5 is fine. My launch PS5 is fine for me. The PS5 Pro is completely unnecessary to play PS5 games. It is a luxury product for people who are okay paying luxury prices for whatever improved experience it offers.
Reason for purchasing a ps5 is because I knew about a ps5 portable called rumor portal even before the ps5 came into existence. I want sony to make a native handheld/cloud gaming device
It's been absolutely painful to watch the ignorance of the upgrades. It's an easy day one buy for me.
So you sit in front of the TV with your nose touching the screen....?
Cuz THAT'S how you DON'T ignore differences...... 🤦🏿🙄🤡
Walmart hasn't fully sold out the disc drives, that's how i got mine days ago.
if I did not have a PC, buying the PS5 pro is the better value. I can get a PS5 Pro, AND a 4k tv (with up to 120 hz refresh rate) for a total of @ $1000. To buy a prebuilt PC capable of 4k, with a decent sized 4k monitor, I will definitely be spending $2500-4000. If I build it myself, i STILL pay more than $2000, plus the time it takes me to build it.
The people who are saying "just buy a PC" often brag about having $4000-7000 PC with 4090's and such....
That TV will be absolutely crap mind... Minium to spend on a decent TV is a £1000
@@stephenthompson2505 it might be crap, but it will still be 4k. Heck, one of the "best" rated TV's for use with PS5 is a TCL. Forget where I saw it, but it was there
@@jonathanwessner3456 best rated TV won't be a TCL good for the money but very below par... LG C3 or C4 or a Sony X90L is a decent starting point.. TCL crap build quality alright for a second tv but that's about it
@@stephenthompson2505 i said "one of" , i think it was the best budget model. good color accuracy and image quality.
Qd oled tv is fantastic for gaming save up and grab one
By far, this is the best video I've seen on the PS5 Pro. I saw one Xbox UA-cam channel mocking the Pro, but he buys all the Xbox controllers, so he has spent well over $700 on controllers in this console generation. But let's attack someone else for spending their money however they want.
last gen i never got a ps4, i only got the ps4 pro.. and i want to do the same this gen when november comes.. i didn't get a ps5 yet.. i haven't really even needed one since games like gow ragnarok and street fighter 4 were available on ps4.. but im looking forward to jumping into ps5 and getting 60 frames with great visuals
This was a great take on what is going on, Foxy. I'm glad that you made this video.
I'm excited about the Pro. NX Gamer, RedGamingTech, & MooresLaw all had very positive information on it. This thing is going to be awesome. Can not wait to pre-order one.
We don’t want people to buy it at 700 cause we know if people don’t buy them sony will either bundle it with a disc drive and a stand or drop the price or both
People are just dumb.
$700 isn't a lot when you consider inflation 😂
Those who have been conditioned to doing yearly cell phone upgrades, or upgrading their TVs every year, will probably have no problem trading in their old hardware and upgrading to the new. If they bought a $500 PS5 with the disc drive, and now get a $300 trade-in, then they'll "only" end up paying $480.
Steam gamers are angry with PS5 pro, i imagine they will riot when PS6 arrive 😂
Are you joking the ps5 pro is no where near as strong as pc as for the ps6 when that comes out the pc will be still better 😂
@@Kyle-is5tvof course the £700 pro is nothing compared to a £2000 PC
What are you talking about? Pure delusion
PC is not better for gaming.. huge power consumption, expensive hardwares, full with cheaters, modders, pirates, unoptimized games 😂
@@celica5952 I can play PlayStation exclusive fine at 4k 60 native just fine 😂 and I don’t know what you are going on about consoles have had some unoptimzed games as well and some reports say the ps5 pro will not play all games at 60fps and as for alien wake 2 864p resolution at 60 and 1200p resolution at 30fps what is that all about 🤣and the cpu is just the same as ps5 it’s only 10% better 🤣 plus games are way cheaper on pc as well 😂
The phone contract argument never made sense because you do payment plans with certain retailers. Just do a payment plan with PS5 Pro and boom its the same with paying for a phone except CHEAPER
that's if you can get approved....................
Great video
My only thing against the PRO is Sony going to PC, Im willing to spend a bit more on a system if Sony continues pushing PC
I think I’ll wait. It’s not out of my range, but I’m yet to be convinced.
It’s a lot of money and I’ve not seen many new games on the horizon in the last two years.
I can agree but I will still be getting it at launch because it will be cheaper for myself because I will be using trade-in promos that GameStop Canada will be having. Soon they will be having $15 games will bump up to $30 and in order for me to buy a game that warrants the 30 bucks is usually around 4 bucks. The PS5 Pro in Canada is $960 which means I will need 32 games to trade towards it. If I do than 32(games) x 4 = $128CAD. Then I will still need to buy an optical drive and if I just outright buy it would cost $113. Then $113 + $128 = $241CAD. Not too bad.
@@randybradley4151 that’s a lot of games to trade in.
I traded in the PS4 and the PS4 pro too, but I’ve still a PS2 and OG PS3.
I'm looking forward to the console, it's quite the upgrade compared to the standard PS5.
Why are you still bringing xbox into this conversation!
The last time that i checked that console is a limited edition, right?
The Spiderman 2 limited edition console with the paint job and digital edition of Spiderman 2( even though you champion physical) with the same 825gb launch ssd is $599.
So $100 more for a paint job and digital $70. Digital version of sp2 game vs $100. For a paint job and an extra $150. 1tb ssd upgrade. Is still a better deal.
Comparing that to a ps5 pro base model is even more ridiculous. Because it has no limited edition paint job, disc drive or stand. The last 2 are an additional $110. So its really £823. For a full version of the ps5pro vs £549. For a full version limited edition series x and controller.
This is beneath you my guy! Sony is wrong this cannot be justified!
Insatiable! 😮
You can actually build a pc that has similar specs for $700. Also, it isn't the $700 price tag that is the issue. People are tired of high prices for less. If Pro came with disc drive and stand wouldn't be issue. The fact that just those 2 features people want are missing and will cost another $100 to get.
Bingo! It’s not really a $700 console, it’s $800 because it’s missing those items.
You’re not building a brand new Pc with brand new parts on the level of the pro specs stop the nonsense you can’t even get the RDNA 4 GPU that’s in the pro yet lol you morons should be tired of the whining and trying to convey and sway people we don’t care about Pc
You can't build a similar spec PC. That's not true. Stop it.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 actually you can. I have seen it done.
Love your stuff, and agree with what your saying here. It's like people who love xbox are deflecting because as you said ms is releasing a series x console without a disc drive (lol), and has a 2 tb ssd that costs $600! There's no tangible difference besides more storage, and the downgrade omitting the uhd disk drive. Small aside ms puts a sony uhd in their consoles that still use one.
Great stuff. I'm loving all of it!
All these PC elitist saying they can build a PC to match the PS5 Pro for $700 to $800 are full of 💩! Better add about 300 to 400 to that!!!
Exactly. When I built my PC and it's a mid range build, I spent over US$1K. MY GPU ALLONE WAS OVER $300, MY CPU was almost $200 that's over $500 and I haven't even included the motherboard the ram, CPU cooler, and the case plus keyboard and mouse and I can't even do RAYTRACYING at 30fps.
So I build a PC but my whole library is on Playstation me thinks that will cost more than a Pro to replace it.
But the problem is all these UA-cam channel clowns that are bashing the pro will get one just like the ones bashing the new iPhone because of all that UA-cam money and the only time there channels will be relevant on UA-cam unfortunately for me the pro is coming out at the wrong time as I’ve got a family holiday come up and my wife would kill me if I did
Yup every time I remember. The 600 dollars Xbox series x I laugh and think even 700 is low value
I am getting my disk drive in the mail today. And pre-order on day one.
PS5 Pro is for the people with TVs that support VRR, ALLM, HDR tone mapping and Auto genre picture mode.
The PS5 has never really needed those features until now.
For the absolute best quality buy the Bravia XR Mini led tvs, preferably the X95L/A95L or the B9.
My tip to Sony is don’t use a bunch of PS4 games to introduce this to the world.
Actually, I get the strategy but with compression and bit rate inconsistency from UA-cam, it didn’t go over well. If I can reach back in the closet and make these old games look better with minimal work, just imagine what will be when it’s added to the development process of future games by the way I believe, I could be wrong, that Sony has made Pro Mode mandatory on releases after August…
Would you like to bet on that. People would open their wallets if they showed off Bloodborne at native 4K/120 or 4K/60 plus better textures.
Sony also used scalpers to put the price..
@@dusermiginte4647What? That makes nonsense whatever. And scalpers don't purchase add-ons. So no. Face it the PlayStation is the market leader and all the lying on the internet isn't going to change that for you.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 market leader in console sales (after nintendo) yes..
Not in anything else....
Dudes are out there saying they can build a PC for the same price, but are leaving out peripherals, disk drives, 2tb SSDs, monitors, Operating systems, someone to build it if they're not capable. etc etc
You simply can't. Anyone claiming it is outright lying. It just can't be done.
rather wait for a ps6
Damn, he caught me! I did spend $600 on my steam deck oled, and $600 on my Xbox special edition. I'm getting the Pro because I don't have one.
I was going to get one before the reveal and jumped back on the fence after the price reveal. As time passes and i see people complaining, the DF deep dive being leaked, i think i will pick one up just without the disc drive.
Two fingers to the whiners.
Must not have been paying close attention the the critics, because many have complained about the pricing of the updated Xbox hardware. Especially since it's just a hardware refresh and not an actual mid-generation upgrade. But Sony not only raises the price on the regular PS5 in some markets, likely to justify the high price of the PS5 Pro, but they have announced very few new 1st party games to justify the new hardware purchase. Sony has gotten a bit too comfortable being on top, that it looks as if they aren't even attempting to appear consumer friendly anymore. As much as I would like a PS5 Pro, I'll wait a few years for the PS6. The backlash is extremely warranted, in my opinion. At least until we get some big Sony game announcements to justify the upgraded hardware.
Couldn’t have said it better!
“You don’t have to buy it” - perfect! People don’t have to buy any of the stuff they complain about. It’s almost as if they are being forced as their lives depended on it. You don’t have to buy the iPhone 16, you don’t have to buy The Last of Us remake…. There is always an option for you.
Willing to buy a PS5 Pro and not for old games that are already out, but for future games coming out. Like for example Crimson Desert, which prob comes out in 2025. But i'm really curious about Chrono Odyssey and ArcheAge 2, which prob coming out in 2026 and prob are pretty demanding, hardware wise. Really looking forward for those games and i want them to play smoothly, even if it cost some money to buy a compatible Playstation console. But my biggest question is: will the PS5 Pro be good enough for those games or is it wiser to wait for the PS6 and when does that console come out? 🤔 (great vid btw!)
Foxy there you go again being a sensible gamer, pointing out that the xsx is just a $100 cheaper than ps5 pro with NO upgrades. Currently on amazon a ps5(slim digital) is priced at $450usd and a 2TB ssd drive from western digital is $160usd. Yes the price of the pro is a bit much but there's value to be had if compared and not just look at the $700 price. .
Keep up the great work Foxy 👍 always talks the truth 😎 am day1 ps5 pro 😎
I reckon I’d rather spend the money on a Steam Deck and a Series S for the bedroom. Choices, as you say.
Would I buy a Pro. Yes, but probably in 3 to 4 years time when people start offloading them. Budget gaming has its charm. 🙂
Foxy.... i think people are shocked at the price due to A the cost of living and B is the pro really needed? I have gamed on console since the late 70s. I moved to PC three years ago and it was a game changer for me. I kept my PS5, sold the Series X. I was sick of compromise on consoles and fake promises. All features come with a caveat of some kind and it started getting on my tits. My PC is in another league, i never have to compromise anymore. 8K is pointless as it never took off. No disc drive and asking you to buy it as a separate is a piss take. £800 plus for a console that will give you a cleaner image and 60 fps. On PC 120 fps is standard for me and at times, at 4K... maxed out and superior ray tracing. My first PC which was a 3080 set up passes the PS5 with ease in performance and visual fidelity in games. I am not knocking on consoles as i spent years with them but this time i wont be buying as for my current circumstances i do not need this and i wont gain anything technically above my PC.... The PC i have is superior even to the Pro. It is totally up to people if they want to buy this system and good luck to them. Games are still £70 a pop , that is not good. I never pay over £40 for launch day PC game. Plus on PC you have an open platform, you are not tied to just Sony or MS or Nintendo... and my PC is set up in the lounge, sofa play, just as is my PS5. I just think Sony and others are starting to become Apple and Samsung and people are forgetting the most important thing... all this flash hardware means sod all if the games are the same old tat... Stellar Blade was pretty good, Astro is amazing... but its not been a great showing of fresh new games in the gaming world ... Wukong is incredible on PC but time and time again we get the same old stale AAA crap or service games.... Powerful hardware is all good and well but what's the point if the games are lacking innovation? Anyway, keep up the good work....and yes, people can spend their money on what they want, its choice at the end of the day... i just hope this type of console release pattern and pricing is not the way forward. There is a slyness about Sony these past few years.... I would rather see fresh, interesting games..
I bought my disc drive the over day ready for the Pro and I upgraded my controller to a 5000mAh battery the battery life lasts forever now 🤗
😂
Lol! That is good for you! Yet at the same time so sad!
The mere fact that Sony launched a brand new controller this gen with more power draw and practically the same battery. Then also place that similar battery in the $240. Edge controller is ridiculous on all levels!
But you guys accept it. And now have to take your controller apart to upgrade the battery Playstation should have!🤦♂️
It’s still gonna sell like hotcakes guaranteed and they say the price range is too high but four years ago when I got the Xbox series X and had to get the Seagate storage together was like $840 that shit
So many fake cry babies!!!😭
The thing is that people can share two thoughts at the same time. I did to a well known MS UA-camr! I can still be severely concerned about the cost of the pro. We also have had a complete dearth 1st party games in the last 2 years & haven’t had a true 1st party showcase without a clear roadmap. I have no problem with holding my preferred gaming platform & hold them to higher standard. SONY does a terrible job with controlling the narrative since the Jim Ryan era & they have had deplorable marketing & not showing new games to justify their price, but there’s a law of diminishing returns, imho.
I never said people shouldn't buy what they want I just have reservations about Sony's approach
The hardware is good value, no doubt about it. People are conflating software issues (the prescription that ps5 isn't producing enough games) with hardware. For me, Sony haven't quite convinced me that it's a must buy right now but there's no denying the hardware is impressive. Will get it eventually.
Am buying the ps5 pro yes I am abit pissed that the disk drive didn't come with it but I will buy at a later date because I do prefer my discs physical media needs to stay
It also has a disk drive. The series x you’re talking about.
Obviously the pro ain't for me. My PS5 is not even 3yrs old yet... I'm not a big tech enthusiast. And i also don't care to have AI, i have my reasons for that!
Day one. Just received the discdrive :)
The ignorance currently of others is annoying, but i personally hope it stays that way atleast until i can secure my PS5 Pro pre order in 😂 If everybody wanted it like PS5 in 2020 then I'd have a hard time securing my order for launch 😂
I've decided I'm getting it, but it's the last Playstation I will ever buy. I'll finally be able to tackle my backlog.
2:00 Lol going hard in the paint AGAIN with an apples to oranges comparison. Critics are going after the PS5 Pro because the $600 Special Edition XSX with 2TB drive includes the DISC DRIVE. PS5 Pro with disc drive is $780. That's why people are pissed because for $400, you can get an all digital PS5 but the all digital PRO is $300 more expensive so Sony is charging $100 for the TB upgrade and $200 more for the hardware improvement. That's ridiculous!
Well it gets worse!😂
The xbox can stand by itself that needs a $25. Stand. So it's like $805. €923. £823.
Secondly the xbox version is a limited edition console and controller with an extra 1tb. Ssd which is an additional $150. Value.
The Spiderman 2 ps5 bundle was also $599. With a custom console as well but just a digital version of a $70. Spiderman 2 game. Shouldn't he compare that to the ps5 pro?🤷♂️
@@truknetThis Xbox is also the worst Xbox created of any of their generations. People weren't buying them before. They certainly aren't picking that one up.
@pixeljauntvr7774 Your comment isn't based off any facts.
I think no one mentions the new xbox console models high price because they don't want them
Its fake outrage. A lot of people recently paid more for a lesser PC, moving from Xbox. Now those people are crying, scrounging craigslist looking for fake computer parts to justify their choice.
Almost every retailer offers financing too, for those arguing about phones being paid for monthly. No difference
A 4 year old x6800xt is twice the rasterization of PS5, they should have just based it on this and had pure compute But i agree Sony need to develop and beta pssr for ps6 - because that will be the really challenging next hardware revision at a desent budget.
That’s a lie 😅 man yall need to stop with the misinformation and utter stupidity
@@TheKing8608_ can you substantiate what the lie is?
People are just overreacting… which is the same thing they did with the PS4 Pro and we all know that thing was a beast of the machine….
Just remember PlayStation is
At the end of the day $700 is to much $600 is max. I don’t think people are mad that you’re spending $700. I think people just don’t want too many people to buy it at $700 and giving Sony the idea that price is ok and we get a $800 ps6.
So XSX with not a single upgrade just a 2tb drive @600 is fine gotcha! Pathetic since PSSR and a custom GPU, and offloading from the CPU(everybody forgot that story about 6months ago) ain’t worth $100 stop it
@@reelroyalevizion800 not at one point did I say it was worth the hundred dollars comprehension is key my point was people are trying to make a point that $700 is too much
@@carrybigspeaksoft1758 it’s not tho… a Big Mac meal was $5.00 when PS4 Pro launched, how much is it now? Now apply that to gaming in general and be glad very glad we have never got hit with inflation in our space. Adjusted games would be $100-$125 be grateful
@carrybigspeaksoft1758 Designer clothing isn't worth the price tag, but people still buy it, actually anything with a Brand name is usually more expensive than it should be.
@@fishmo_mofish that’s a good argument, but I wouldn’t consider this on the level of designer clothes because PlayStation doesn’t have any games only for the PS five or very little I think I would complain very little about the price if there were just more exclusives for the PS five but $700. We do not need to set that as the bar next year will be getting thousand dollar PS six and a video game system is not comparable to a phone, you carry your phone everywhere you go you use it almost 24 seven you play your PlayStation for a few hours after work it does not have the same value
Yup, the world and internet is crazy. Sick of the armchair experts, just making themselves look like fools time and time again. I'll be buying a PS5 Pro, not day one due to other commitments, but eventually ASAP.
Is the PS5 Pro expensive when compared to the standard PS5? Yes!...
Is the PS5 Pro too expensive for what it's offering? No! (I'm referring to the tech inside the console, not the disc drive and stand)
Is the PS5 Pro for gamers who are happy / content with the standard PS5 image quality, graphics quality & performance? No!
🤡🤡
Talking about making a fool of yourself
@@dantenage9687except he didn’t but you clearly a moron tho 😅
@@dantenage9687 Why? Because I actually understand the technology, it's potential and where it's going? Or simply because I want a PS5 Pro? Do elaborate... Every device has pros and cons, there is no perfect device, and what's important / valuable to some gamers won't be to others. Some people don't care about all the pros the PC has, and some people don't care about all the pros consoles have. It comes down to what matters most to each person!
After tax it's like $750😢
If you like playing on PlayStation and want to get a ps5 pro then get it I not because I mainly play on Xbox and my rog ally and yes I got a ps5 for PlayStation exclusive but when next gen starts i get a gaming pc They get PlayStation and Xbox games on it
I say this after i get ps5 pro i will start saving up for ps6. Early bird does what?
You are missing the point, the PS5 Pro is missing the disc drive and vertical stand. All I have to do is upgrade my PC and I'm good to go. 🤔
But if you didn’t have a PC?
Does your PC have a disk drive?
@@amnril Everyone has a PC, I've still got my very first PC with Windows Vista.
@@jonathanwessner3456 Yes it does, I use it for ripping bluray discs.
@Mangomesh go ahead, i garantee the ps5 pro will outperform it unless you're buying a graphics card for more than double the price of a pro.
Told yall this guy was just talking shi before 😂. He was one of the “critics” himself but he knew he was bsing lol.
Thatbwhite series x does not have a disc drive either, 600
Uhm.. The series X have a built in disc drive.. both of them...
Stop making sht up!
@@dusermiginte4647 the white series x is all digital
@@dusermiginte4647 the white xbox is all digital
Nobody cares how you spend your money...but to feel like no one has the right to critique or criticize dumb money spending...grow up Foxy!
But isn’t “dumb money spending” subjective? What if someone said that you buying a car is dumb money spending? Same for those who purchase premium products like AirPodMax pros or Steam Deck OLEDs. What’s the difference? Ppl should be able to spend their money however they choose without having to worry about critique from strangers.
@@meek6119you're missing the point...i literally said nobody cares how you spend your money...im just saying you cant tell people they cant comment on your spending
@@dionlandon479you sound dumb as hell at the end of the day you look foolish telling someone what to do with their money childish and pathetic
@@dionlandon479 Me being a complete stranger to you, yes, I can comment on your spending habits all I want. But what does my comment matter to you? I’m a stranger and I should have no influence on how you spend your money. Just try to think of this from your own perspective of having someone online critique your spending habits. That wouldn’t come off as a bit ridiculous to you?
@@meek6119no it would not. As a pastor, I withdrew my preorder of a new iPhone 16 when some of my members began talking about it.
I should not be indifferent to their reaction because it is my money, especially when I realize I can utilize same or similar amount to massively impact lives around me (like food and clothes for the adjacent orphanage)
Xbox consoles barely sale and nobody is buying that Xbox 2tb so that’s a tired argument.
Xbox users are jealous. PC users are the same people 😅
Just play on Pc 😂
Ms laughing at sony 😂😂😂😂😂😂
All those emotes can't mask your pain...
@divisive_gaming4488 sony fans are in pain
It is curious that you take this jab at the Galaxy XSX costing $600 when you know over here in the UK it will be £550. Where as the PS5 Pro will be £700 here, there is a massive difference. This doesn't even include the other parts you need, the disk drive, and stand.
The Galaxy XSX is a "limited console." There's is nothing special inside apart from it having on extra 1Tb SSD and a paint job. If you are looking at this from the consumers side, the Galaxy XSX would be a lot cheaper to buy if you were to get a normal XSX and buy the expansion card separately.
The problem I see with the PS5 Pro is that there are too many misleading quotes in this video. Take the Ratchet and Clank section where Ratchet is standing next to the audience, on the PS5 side everything looks fine, then look at the PS5 Pro there is pop-in by the leaves next to Ratchet legs and this is a 1st party game, which according to them has be optimisted to take full advantage of the PS5 Pro hardware. Then, the Hogwarts Legacy section, where some guy is fighting some creature with a wand and in the background, there is pop-in on the rocks. According to Digital Foundy, this game was running at 30fps. This does not go well for the announcement of a new console.
Who tf cares if GT, a racing game, is running at 8k? The amount of people who have an 8k TV next to nill. The system is pointless and a waste of money no matter which way you shill for it
That’s a weak excuse for not getting a Pro. Of course hardly anyone games on a 8k tv. That’s not the reason most people are getting the Pro!!!
@@brianmcswain8932 I know that, Einstein that’s why I brought it up because he mentioned it in the beginning as part of the feedback people were giving about playing it in person. No one cares GT, a racing game that came out years ago, runs at 8k.
The differences are not worth the 700-800 asking price. This gen is almost over as it is
@@JonnyReturnsthe difference is night and day and where your broke self gets it doesn’t matter it’s well worth $699 for the tech it has
@@TheKing8608_ lol night and day. Sure it is sweetheart. Keep telling yourself that I’m sure it makes you feel better. And for the record I have a custom build with a 4090. If you want to see what real ‘night and day’ difference is.. work really hard, save up all your pennies, and buy a real gaming rig.
5070 has entered the chat this console is outdated
If 699 gonna be the price for PS6, Sony may copy Xbox make a weaker & cheaper Machine
Not it’s not the PS6 will be at minimum $799-$899
Yes you finally realize the influencers are against PlayStation and love Xbox. Remember how hard the ps5 stand in the beginning was to assemble.
First 🥇🏆
Foxy these are the same dum dums spending 1600 on phones Which by the way has one coming out every year but 700 for a ps5 pro...proposterous. I'm getting mine day one and if I can get the 30th anniversary edition I'm in. Saved up a d ready and yes I own both systems,I follow you and I love how you break it down with no filters what so ever. You rock
All these PC elitist saying they can build a PC to match the PS5 Pro for $700 to $800 are full of 💩! Better add about 300 to 400 to that!!!
they forget to add their own labor, and a 4k screen, as well as all the other peripherals to "match" what you get with a PS5 pro and a cheap 4k tv (total cost @ $1000)
💯 PC gaming always adds up real fast once it’s all set up.
Every PC gamer knows not to add up their lifetime spend on parts, games, software, and secondary items into a spreadsheet, unless they want a temporary bout of clinical depression.
@@dradis1 been building my own since the 1990's. pretty sure I have spent 20k on PC parts since then.
@@jonathanwessner3456 only since 2000s for me. Last time I did this exercise was around 2015-2016 and I was sitting at about $20k as well. I don’t want to check now lol.
@@dradis1 I try to use mine as long as possible. Had a lightning incident where I had to rebuild 2 PC's , and was able to fix both for $300 at the time. Current build has @ $2500 in it.