I unironically decided to swap to pc gaming after the pro reveal. My current pc is a bit better than a 5 but i still generally prefer consoles, but if this is the future, im out, chief.
Especially when a stand is a piece of plastic not worth more than 10$ and a drive should never cost as much as 80$, these are proprietary for purpose, to milk even more money.
Disc* Dis(c) is for optical media (read/etched by laser) Dis(k) is for magnetic media (like a Hard Disk Drive or floppy disk) Small thing but I've seen it enough times I'm saying something now.
I think ps5 might be the last console I ever buy The future not looking good At that point I’m just gonna buy old modded consoles wherever I can find them Keep building my library but backwards lol. Old games are better.
@whysoserious4274 If you want old school machines, i recommend the following for most game coverage on Portable consokes (Hardware games): Gameboy Advance (plays GB, GBC, and GBA) DS Lite (GBA and DS) New 3DS (N3DS, 3DS, DS) PSP PS Vita If you just want your library as software with a pirate cap: New 3DS PS Vita Steam Deck
Let's be honest, PlayStation stopped being valuable whenever backwards compatibility stopped extending. You mean to tell me you can put all of this state of the art technology in it but I can't play PlayStation 1 games? I could understand if there was some type of preservation plan but they're not even preserving games we're losing them! Like imagine if you couldn't message people on iPhones just because you had a two generation gap. That's asinine.
They absolutely were greedy in the beginning. They gave us a broken product with pretty much no online, no games and had the gall to charge $600 for it.
Look up the Nvidia rtx4070. Ps5 will have 60fps & raytracing. I'm no fan of Sony but I understand specs unlike 99% of u chiming in on things u know nothing about
@@joogled1839 Whats your point? Windows sucks, more than 80% of it is literal bloatware, linux's only short falling is compatibility with most programs that work on windows and sometimes accessibility windows genuinely just sucks, theres no competitors so you cant really do much about it unless you get a modified de-bloated windows copy where most security features are literally not present in it because they gobble up your entire pc's resources like its cake
the funny part is just a week or 2 ago i was comparing ps4, ps5, gaming laptops and pc components prices bc my laptop (omen) needs fixing and i cant find its parts anywhere (its a 2016 model), the timing of ps5 pro is hilarious to me rn - my conclusion was already if i get a console id need a tv too something i abandoned 5 years ago bc i didnt need one anymore , and id still need a laptop for work etc so whats the point, then rebuild my game library and pay up mooore hahah
I actually 100% agree with you since it gonna get to the point where Playstation is just gonna do like Apple did which the consoles apparantly going be cost $1k which you might well buy/build a pc for same price
The price they're asking for the PS5 Pro could potentially push more people into the world of PC gaming where the return on investment seems a lot better.
@@Sm0ke821 I left Console Gaming when the Consoles moved to x86. Yeah you can build a quite cheap computer if you are willing to look. Good places to start are business liquidation PCs. Get everything except a GPU. You can this for quite cheap. Purchaing Used products on Amazon can save you alot too. I am grown now so Big Boy PCs for me. :)
I mean sure, but PC gamers are not really the target audience. And if less than 1k for 60-120fps @ 4k with raytracing is too much, you are really not going to get gaming pc, since it would cost at least 2-3k to get machine that can do that. Of course PC is much more versatile tool, if you have need for it. But just for gaming PS5 pro isn't really that expensive.
I have a vape shop nearby that was inside of a convenience store, the vape shop kept expanding so they bought a building down the street to move it into and instead of just naming the vape shop it's own thing it was named Tommy's E-Cigs 2. All I think of when I pass by there lmfao.
And people are gonna still buy it unfortunately, even if they have a normal ps5 with 0 reason to upgrade ur still gonna have brainlets buy it and give in to the deceptive marketing
@@OrlandoGamino sure, but some business models involve actually selling while others involve renting. Doesn’t make it ok to steal regardless of which model they follow. You can just chose not to participate.
@@svenmifythat’s a dodgy analogy - you can rent digital media, in the same way you can rent a car, but if I choose to buy a car, the corporation/vendor won’t arbitrarily revoke my ownership of the car (except that is slowly becoming a possibility due to the integration of dashboard computers and remote access 😢). If I’m opting into a transaction, under the pretext that I’ll have ownership of what I’m buying, but I won’t, then I’m being duped by the seller. So if buying isn’t owning, then pirating isn’t stealing. It’s not the consumer changing the dynamics, it’s the corporations. We’re getting fleeced and being stripped of our consumer rights.
Arrogant Sony definitely is the title that they definitely deserve. $700 PS5 PRO, No disk drive, No vertical stand, No Buy. Sony Grade.... *EPIC FAIL!!!!*
Their testing the waters to go full digital/stream gaming. They're already taking games off people's accounts on last Gen consoles, Microsoft did this to me on my Xbox 1. Bought a game that I waited to go on sale, played it for a couple days and left my Xbox alone for like a week and then I came back and I find out they took the game off my account with no explanation or refund and the store is asking me to buy the game again... After this? Never again... Not much we can do because we signed their TOS, when we bought and signed up with their console. They know this and it emboldens them. Doing this says " you will pay twice because we say you'll pay twice." if the console doesn't come with a disc drive by default then it is an instant nope from me
@@pwnomega4562 thats whats useful about steam and a certain other internet resource which is 100% legal and has been around quite literally since the birth of the internet (one of the first websites i was ever a regular visitor to, is one that 'fixes' executables for games that YOU OWN THE LICENSE TO so said software then actually complies with local laws (steam only holds my licenses and backs up my software as per my legal right, i have an absolute legal right to use the software as i see fit, free from any interference from the developer or a third party, and for that software that i paid for, to be fully functional without internet access or some extra 'you must sign in first' launcher. three SSD's full of backed up and fully functional games (as long as the machine i install them to is airgapped, as soon as it wants to update anything shit breaks. no one is taking shit away from me.
My flatmate bought a PS4 off a friends kid for $100. When he tried to go online, a message appeared saying PS was banned from online use. Found out the kid stole his Nan's credit card, used it online and got busted for fraud. So they banned his PS. No way of overturning ban even though my flatmate did nothing wrong. Stupid thing is the friends kid just got another PS and then went back online to cheat and commit more fraud. Only one punished was an innocent 3rd party who just wanted to play games online. NEVER buy a second ha d PS without checking it online first....it may be just a brick
@@markboscoe272 I heard stories of people that got banned and didn't cheat on games or do anything fraudulent. It seems that Sony can use any breach of terms of service or community guidelines to ban a console. Reminds me of the Xbox 360 ban waves. But at least you could still use the system offline. Thank goodness your flatmate only lost $100 though. I heard stories of people that bought consoles on eBay and got beat for $300+
Well millions of people use steam and I know people with 600+ games on steam and if they just decide to ban your account you lose all of that, it's the same fight as you would have with sony/Microsoft. I'm not even on the side I play pc but it's scary to know that with a push of a button you can lose potentially thousands worth of games
@@BaconDanglers Atleast if that does happen on PC you can sail the 7 seas to get the vast majority of your games back and more importantly your system will still be able to go online. Also the only way steam will outright ban an account is if you try to rip them off financially; anything else will just get you banned from playing a specific game or get you banned from posting on a specific game's forum depending on what you did.
There is no ban tha can brick a console. When will ignorant people stop spreading such bullshit? They can permaban your console's PSN login so they stop you from signing into PSN. However that doesnt make the console a brick. You can still put your discs in and play them without PSN.
$700 for the console, $70 dollars for a controller that'll get stick drift in 6 months, $72 for a ps plus subscription depending on the region and you gotta spend money on the vertitcal stand and disc drive. This is straight up corporate greed.
@@enricofermi3471 but that's just it though these companies are perfectly fine letting the industry die I'm pretty sure Nintendo is the only company that would sink because of it
My favorite line from Zero Punctuation on the graphics situation is when he said, "Caring about graphics is like saying Army of Darkness would be a good movie if only it were in 4K".
In an rpg I have to spend over 95% of my hard earned gold that I have wasted hours grinding up just to be able to afford a sword that's only 0.01% better than the one I already got. This feels like that.
@@archockencanto1645and for some hilarious reason that is unconstitutional in Brazil. Apple tried that and just asked "ok we'll pay a fine." The fine was seizure of stock until every customer is made whole. (Bundled sales are highly illegal, and being forced to make a second purchase to be able to use the first purchase meets the criteria)
Nintendo be like: Ayyooo, wtf, that was our idea!!! Anyone remember that stunt they pulled with most models of the 3DS where they didn't bother including the power supply, nor even a usb cable in the box?
No disk drive! No great console selling new games! Squint to maybe see the difference on very few, specific, games for just $700! Buy now so we don't learn from our mistakes and go back to the wonderful old days where consoles sell lower price and make it up with amazing games! Buy now, now now now!
PS5 Pro is supposed to be an upgrade but essentially you’re paying $700+ to abandon your physical games and start over buying the expensive digital games that have stayed $69.99 even 2 years after the game came out.
@@Fingerknee with how things are going in the gaming industry, i feel more comfortable with solely buying physical copies. I've always liked doing that for longevity purposes, but now I just don't trust companies.
I guess that's the case if you haven't already abandoned physical games, but a lot of us, like myself, bought the digital PS5 and abandoned physical games a long time ago. Fight it as long as you want, but you won't have the option to ignore digital only much longer. And I'm a dinosaur, I grew up with physical media, still the first opportunity I had to abandon my binder full of disks, I was done at that moment, and I'll never look back.
I thought that the new gen consoles were capable of playing DVDs but apparently these cons have no more Blu-ray players. It's a sole wifi gaming device. Might as well stream games.
If gamers united and boycotted the companies by not buying the products then they would have to stop. But at long as people keep bending over and taking it, companies will keep giving it to them.
Bro, original Liberty Rock Radio and Radio Vladivostok FM go so hard while cruising the streets of Liberty City in GTA 4. So glad I grabbed the physical copy for my 360.
The amount of people defending the PS5 Pro's pricing is actually pathetic. You only have yourselves to blame when you gotta fork out $1,000 for the PS6.
It makes ZERO sense that a product that requires physical production costs, along with shipping and distribution, costs the SAME as a Digital Download!!!
It's disappointing to see how gaming companies are trying to steer us towards a future where the physical preservation of games is considered obsolete.
I disagree. I buy the newest Samsung Note (now "Ultra") phone every year. BUT only because Samsung gives me 75%-80% of what I paid for my previous phone as trade-in each year. If I pay $1,000 for a phone, I get $750-$800 credit for sending my old phone back. Same as if I bought a brand new phone every 4 years and kept it for 4 years. Except, I get to have the newest phone every year. If they ever change this pricing scheme, I'll stop getting a new phone every year.
Gene Park said this same thing on Twitter and ppl jumped on him for it but like come on $820 for console is insane consoles used to be affordable not rent prices
I would LOVE to have $800 for RENT I haven't had rent price like that for 6 year now i also wish gas was $2 dollars a gallon its not but i still buy it.
@@iceman5117 They have recently stopped selling the base PS5, which has been replaced by the more expensive Slim model smh...also not a good alternative...
@@Dept-of-Agriculture release price was $499, the slim is $450 and GameStop has it on sale for $400. The slim is the new base PS5 and is identical to the release model
As a PC gamer, I was actually considering buying the PS5 Pro for the sole reason of playing GTA 6 when it dropped. I the last 24 hours I've seriously changed my mind. I won't buy the console. I'll be waiting for it to release on PC. Big L for Rockstar for not releasing it on PC day one.
The balls on sony to announce this , meanwhile the shmucks that managed to get a ps5 are sitting playing ps4 games and "remastered" ps1,ps2 and ps3 games
PS5's by themselves are already over heating in mass just 4 years later. All the launch ones are basically junk & this'll continue with the PS5 Pro's 2 - 3 years down the road just like normal PS5's already are. All previous Sony consoles weren't any different either.
@@svenmify no they are not and never will be. All us hardware owners will be laughing at all the crybabys when the digital games you paid for and want to play are removed from the servers. Forever.
@@123payattention you do realise that physical copies often don’t contain the full game either, and if they do, it doesn’t have any of the patches? It’s not often I want to play a ten year old game. In the rare event that happens, I’ll just rebuy it (on a new platform), jailbreak an old console, or emulate it. That tiny benefit simply doesn’t outweigh the hassle of dealing with physical games. It’s more clutter, you can easily misplace them, you have to dust them, … I still have a drawer full of old ps2, GameCube, n64, gba and ps3 games. Guess how often I play those? Pretty much never.
That's always bothered me how digital isn't cheaper. Like you said, there's no disc, case, shipping, labor costs at all for digital. Yet it still costs the same as physical
A console was good because you didn't need a lot of money and just by using a disc you could go directly to play, no download, installation or configuring required. Now there's no reason why people shouldn't spend those 1000 dollars on a PC that will last them way more than a PS5
Ps5 lasts maybe 2 years before their " new upgrade". Each laptop of which I have had 2, lasted 5 years and The PC I have now has lasted several so far and if I need to change parts to upgrade - far less hassle in the future to buy a part and install it myself. Can save money in the long run, plays all the games I want, i am learning unity and blender on top, it has multiple uses.
u buy a console if ur braindead with pc's and thats concerning cuz nowadays they are far easier to use. and for a 900 dollar console u can spend that on a pc and get far more fun out of stuff. u can buy a decently cheap setup for 400-500 and can play emulators or even buy cheap games off humble and steam summer/winter sales. etc. for a 1000 console u get maybe 20 games if lucky. for a pc thats well over 100 games.
In Europe is even worst. Console 800€+disc drive+stand+extra controler+ ps plus. It cost almost 1100€ wtf. Sony is insane. For that price you can buy a gaming PC way better than a PS5 pro...
@@NAGEE3301 Because that PC which would likely be more than "slightly" better can play PS1, PS2, PS3, NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Switch, Dreamcast, Xbox and Xbox 360 games via emulation - Then you've got games for the Xbox One/Series, most of which also released on PC, not to mention games that release on PC and not consoles All you're really missing is PS4 and the handful of PS5 exclusives that exist So if you have the extra euros to spend on a PS5 Pro instead of a base PS5, what would be the point in buying such a limited system as the PS5 aside from really wanting to play an exclusive, like me and Gran Turismo since the dumpster fire that Forza turned into lol
@@TheCynicalJedi I was talking about performance and price for the platform, not games, in fact, ps5 still has more games than xbox, you still don't have wukong, and I'm not talking about playstation releases on pc and exclusives like resently released astro bot and stellar blade, and the price between pc and ps5 is woping 500-600 dollars, it's basically free 8 AAA games, and with all of that you gonna open your mouth about games?
Yes, PC is much better. You can play all the older games too without paying any money, you can play all the console games via emulation except some PS4 and PS5 games. It's much better to invest in a PC to play in a variety of ways.
@@NAGEE3301 Yeah I'm gonna open my mouth about games, you know why? *_That's what it exists for, playing games_* You know that external disk drive you need to play your disk games? You could buy 12 months of Game Pass Ultimate for around the same price Wukong isn't on Xbox, but it's on PC, I'm sure there's a logical reason you don't want to talk about that when we're comparing PC and PS5 So yes, I'll open my mouth about games. Impressively confrontational considering as the end of my other comment suggests, I want the PS5 to be good too, if Gran Turismo wasn't the only thing I'd play on it I'd have bought one as close to launch as possible... But Gran Turismo 4, 5 and 6 will do me for now Edit: By the way... Talking about games should be the least concerning topic comparing the PS5 Pro to a comparably priced PC... As soon as you start talking about things that PC can do that the PS5 can't it looks even worse... You know, because the PC is a PC
There might be the slight chance that the price is a marketing stunt, like it happened with the first sonic movie; launch a trailer, generate outrage, let people talk about it for a few weeks or so, then do the big announcement of the “new” price= you’re very much forgiven and suddenly it doesen’t sound so expensive= more customers. Sounds very unreal tho…
I bought a PS5 because I had lost my PS4. If I still had it I wouldn't have bothered. Now there's no way I'm buying this thing, and anyone with a PS5 who buys one of these is an idiot. Even if I was still on my old PS4 it would be a tough sell, I think I'd wait another 3 years.
@saltysourdough Yeah but the value that the price represents can change. The ps4 was much bigger leap for gaming than the ps5 but the price jump was less than ps2 to ps3 because people complained that the ps3 was overpriced, it can happen again.
@@kodiacstephens8104Wishful thinking, but that’s kinda what I’m hoping for, too. Like, everything in the world is super expensive, game consoles shouldn’t cost the same amount as rent in some places. I still have my ps4 and I love it. I almost bought a ps5 today since I really want to play final fantasy, but I might just get a decent laptop instead. I don’t have nearly enough for an actual pc 😅 Really not sure yet
I remember buying Metal Gear Solid 5 disk version on PC and all that was on the disk was a Steam installer. No game files. Just Steam. Which then needed an update. Then had to download the ENTIRE game. I basically bought an empty box with a Steam key...
You can't rely on corporations to preserve games, you got to take it in your own hands, make the tools to do so widely available, they can't sue us all.
Lol Imagine paying for a console that double the price with 4x less the content than the ps4 pro Consoles are just a scam at this point. Gotta pay for games you don't get to own, pay for online service on top of the internet, and the accessories / replacement parts are marked up so high that it costs almost as much as the console.
Yeah pretty much, The only console worth getting these days is Nintendo because their games are pretty much hard lock hard designed to run specifically on their hardware.
@@TheHipisterDeer Might even need to hold off of that since the new console is coming out in 2025 from what I've heard. But then again, the console is so old you can buy a used one for abt 100 bucks lol
@@TheHipisterDeerunless you dont mind pirating. If a publisher doesnt bother supporting the platforms that I own, they shouldnt be bothered that i pirate their game, especially considering I can get a much better experience with emulation compared to the native consoles. Thats why i have always thought consoles were scams. They just exist to create vendor lock in and forced obsolecense for games.
All those things are true, but as a PC gamer it's pretty much the case for PC too. Sure we don't have to pay to play online, but simultaneously getting physical copies for your games is a pipedream at this point whereas consoles still produce a majority of their games on disc. The entire gaming landscape is in a sad state. The moment gaming got to be big enough, it was seized by the rich and greedy and it was always going to end up like this.
Yes but I already worked out The good old Great British Pound... £699 equates to almost $1000 US!!! (Exchange rates... We are paying MORE!) What is it in Euros? Lets have a look... $881.58 .... Slight increase but fairer!!! In fact the EU price is the only one that actually tracks... And trust me, its nothing to do with Taxes! It about PROFITS! Teh reason we in the UK and EU add Taxes BEFORE PURCHASE is that way you know EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL PAY! There are NO SURPRISES when you get to the till and suddenly find another 200 Bucks added to your bill in sales taxes... You are paying the tax with your purchase so you know AHEAD OF TIME if you can afford it! SONY, like Amazon and Netflix KNOW DAMN WELL that Exchange Rates do not match... But by having a "Singular Pricing Structure" -0 They create and illusion to the consumer that all are being treated fair! - But they are not! Again, Netflix is a Great Example... Their Standard Package with no ads is £14.99 in the UK, $14.99 in the US, 14.99 in Canada and also in Argentina... But 14:99 in the USA is about $28 in the UK! And only $8 in Canada! In Argentina its $2!!! None of us are paying the same... And these companies are profiting form an illusion of "Conformity" THEY BLOODY KNOW THE EXCAHNGE RATES DONT WORK THAT WAY! But give Consumers teh impression they are all being treated equal... They will buy into the LIE!
UK price matching the US one with a different currency symbol also includes VAT Wanna know the fun bit? $700 converted to GBP is currently around £535 or into Euro's it's around €634
That’s not true, we needed midlife consoles back in the 7th gen (PS3 and XB360 slim revisions for example). It would’ve been interesting to see the ps5 and Xbox series release in lieu of the ps4 pro and Xbox one X, but those two are very popular and well known revisions that made some later ps4 games anazing.
For 800€ you can get the rog ally x right now which can emulate everything from the nes to ps3/switch + access to Gamepass and all games released on Steam, Uplay, EA app, etc. And it's portable.
@@GardenBirdWatch It's actually 820€ to be precise but then we have to give some to social security in order to have our pensions later on so it's more like ~720€. However, when people usually buy something expensive here they pay it as a monthly fee until it's all paid off. This is why I still see people with iphones around lol.
I'm more of a fan of Anime type graphics, like the "Tales of..." series than realistic. I mean my real life has realistic graphics. If I want realism I can just go hang out at the beach, the bar, the moves, wherever. When I play games, I want something different.
Minecraft......an 8 bit stylized game....is the most sold videogame ever, if you don't count all the Tetris sequels being 1 game. That's literally the proof that graphics aren't what sells a game. If someone was selling a monster truck that has only been prinered.... poorly, who cares!? it's a monster truck! Or would you rather the coolest looking scifi corvette custom job that has a 2.5 iron duke?
Since every mofo and their own mother decided to use the Unreal Engine 5 as their game engine. Video gaming has taken a massive step backwards. It was already a bad situation with the overuse of the UE4. But now, every game literally looks the same. The Art in Arstyle is lost for this generation. And probably the next as well. In the past, Artists had to make levels look good. Hand place light sources etc. And games actually looked and felt better that way. Now its only, activate Raytracing, even if we don't even use moving light-sources or day night cycle. Just waste performance on fully rendered dynamic lights in completely stale stagnant static environments.... game development has become so stupid. Metal Gear 2 Tanker level has "fake" reflections. Nothing was ray traced, but cleverly designed. And it blew everyone away. Or Quake 2, the Raytraced version shows, Raytracing is not the answer if you have good designers. But all the good people getting fazed out of the industry. And in a few years, there will only be, press A.I. Generate Button to create game.... then every game will be like Bugthesdas Clownfield. Complete and utter worthless slop.
@@seaweeb2258 Maybe not a corvette but I wouldn't be opposed to an iron duke fiero. Have a car slower than a prius but have all the cool factor of driving a car with pop up headlights and a mid engine
@@wlockuz4467 no seriously, no way a Ps5 pro would be dead after a week of release.. if it’s dead after 5 days I’ll come back here just to tell you you are right.
Not to mention, with the PC you can do so much more than gaming. You can use it for work or content creation. You can also... Play thousands of PC games! Or emulate old consoles on it!
most people don't do content creation, and as for work, most companies give you hardware for that for security reasons(unless you are freelancer ofc). What PC can do better then Console is provide better performance, and greater variety of games indeed. But that's not gonna steer ppl to PC's. the biggest problem people have is not playing GTA6 upon release in 60 FPS LOL. it's ok, no point in trying to convince anyone. I for one will save the money for something more important and play GTA6 one year later or 2 on PC in 120 FPS or more, all good
@@tiberiumirica8445 When console players grow up and manage their own brain, they'll realize that you can set up a PC to act like a console almost 1 for 1. Backwards capability is peak on PC, and so is performance. You can play with photoshop, word, excel, blender, pinnacle, Audacity, ect.... Hou can now mod your favorite game, and map stuff for you favorite game. Clone hero and Beat Saber have 3rd party programs for that. You can pretty much do whatever. With the prices being similar enough now, there isn't a reason to stay loyal to a conpany. The future for consoles isn't looking good, but they were always scams anyway.
Lately, I've seen that myth that a game disc is just a license key resurfacing, especially with the recent discussions around the lack of a disc drive on the PS5 Pro. I think people believe this because, on the PS5 (I can't speak for Switch or Xbox since I don’t own them), when you insert a disc, you get a notification that says something like "[Game Name] added to Downloads/Uploads." It gives the impression that the game is being downloaded from the internet, but that's not actually the case. If you disconnect from the internet and insert the disc again, you'll see the same notification pop up, even though the PS5 is offline. Obviously, it can't be downloading anything without an internet connection. What’s really happening is the game is being installed from the disc, not downloaded. The data is on the disc itself. I can confirm this from personal experience. When I visited family last month who dont have reliable internet, I brought my PS5 and bought some games while I was there, specifically Stellar Blade, Resident Evil 4 Remake, and Elden Ring. I installed and played them completely offline. Elden Ring even had version 1.10 on the disc, which shows it must have been a reprint. So people, please stop spreading the idea that discs are just coasters. Misinformation like this is damaging to gaming as a whole.
@@AA-sw5pb not really. PS3 would sometimes say it's installing if the game had to be installed but that was within the game it'self and it never said downloading. Ps5 will display the same notification whether your downloading the game or installing from disc.
It's not completely untrue that game discs are license keys, it's just not all of them. You said that you're less familiar with Xbox, and that's where the problem is mainly. An example: I don't have WiFi in my apartment, I just use mobile data on my phone to watch UA-cam and stuff like that. I bought a disc copy of Halo Infinite back in November, I found it weird that it was only a 13gb install but I waited anyway. Booted it up, and it's just the main menu. I couldn't get past the "Press start to continue" prompt, I was told I have to download the game, which I couldn't. That's what people mean, there are countless examples of games that don't actually ship on the discs you purchase.
@@NeverKetamine I'm aware of the issues with Halo, especially on Xbox, where it seems to be a bigger problem compared to other platforms. It’s frustrating, and I suspect it will only get worse over time as discs become more obsolete. However, I don’t think we’re quite at that point yet, despite what some people claim. I believe companies that still release physical copies of games without needing major updates or downloads deserve more recognition. For example, while I’m not a big fan of the Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West games, I was impressed with the recent Complete Edition. It came on two discs, including all the DLC and patches pre-installed. That’s something I appreciated, so I bought a copy. I think developers who make these efforts deserve credit, and I wish more people acknowledged it.
Sony has started to release games on steam. Sony is trying to target pc gamers with this price point. The problem being. Pc is way more powerful at the same price point. If ps5 pro can play god of war ragnarok at 60 fps then pc can play it at double of 120 fps within the same budget. I seriously am questioning how did they think we pc players will switch to a console from pc. Infact steam has a big picture mode for console experience. Did Sony not do their homework ?
So glad to hear someone saying this. As someone who only buys a few games that I play a lot, I already think pc is better than the normal ps5, because I don't have to pay a subscription just to play my games online. I will 100% be doing a living room PC build rather than buying another console.
Maybe I'm the odd one out but I'm still rocking my PS4 working through its massive library of games. Paying $700 for a new console that doesn't even have a disc drive is madness to me
I would still recommend getting a ps5, lot more games now being ps5 only and it’s gonna increase, plus it is just a massive improvement. Fuck the ps5 pro tho
You are paying 700$ for a digital playstation 5 that does not even come with a stand so you can see some random character in more detail in the background in Racthet and clank.
700$ in US, 800€ in Europe which is extra expensive. For a console without a bluray drive, and pedestal. This is abused, a huge scandal I prefer buying a new and more expensive PC than this.
The prices in north america don't include tax. That's for all products not just the ps5. Each state in the us and each province in Canada have their own tax rate.
@@BigBossGR Yes, Europe includes tax, but it's weird, because the EU countries have wildly varying tax rates. Germany is way higher than Poland, for example. So I don't get why the US can't do this.
800 Euros is a bit step but not as much of a Price hike as we in the UK are getting... In the UK it will be £699... Sound Equal to the US where it will be $699 ... But £699 in US dollars is $912.61...
Fully agreed. The US branch of Sony is one of the wokest corporations in the gaming industry. And they seem to wield great influence over the Japanese branch.
My son got a permanent ban from Playstation he was 11 at the time and lost over £2000 in digital games as he could not access his account, i have never purchased a Playstation since.
I keep seeing this Xbox "tax"" going around as some way to indicate some unfair practices applied to a single entity. This tax we have is very real lol 799 euro.
No but there are different tariffs on import taxes in different countries concealed within the price. Plus, the UK specific VAT which is included before you get to the till/checkout which to be fair in total is not far off the £700 price tag. In the US however local/state taxes are added to the $700 at the checkout. Also, £80 for the disk drive is actually a bargain because of the current price of blue ray players and because of the money you will save buying pre-owned games. I agree though it's still overall too expensive for a refresh/minor upgrade without the disk drive and stand especially if you're going to buy a PS6 in 4/5 years.
It's always been cheaper. People don't factor in price of online subscription, game prices, or even the amount of free games on PC. Let alone the hundred other bonuses because... it's a PC, it can literally do anything and customize it however you want.
@@iceman5117 ???????? the ps5 isnt fuckin' capable of 8k itself lmfao. that was false advertising because no games on the ps5 support it. the ps5 is a 4k console.
1TB OLED is $650 and every review I've seen has said that Valve is massively underselling it. There's no competition with a much better battery than the original and a huge chunk of the Steam library available. I still play Elden Ring on my PS4 so this is an easy choice.
It is amazing. I have the oled version. It plays most games and you can buy a switch like stand to have that experience. I recommend at least watching tech review for the steam deck to determine if it is powerful enough for the games you want to play.
Next generation for sure the ps6 is gonna be around 900-1k I have a feeling that all this is gonna do is push casual gamers to start thinking about getting a gaming PC instead in the future.
These companies need to stop making these consoles and start making actual playable games that don't have issues from the get go and forced online play.
This whole gaming situation is _messy,_ isn't it? Games failing in spectacular fashion, hundreds of millions of dollars erupting into flames, thousands of people losing their jobs... "But! Your play box needs an _upgrade!"_ ... Whyyy? "Because we said so!" What exactly are you improving? "Look at this puppet! His name is Greg! Isn't he cute? What's that, Greg? "Your playbox needs an upgrade!" See! Greg agrees with us!" You're terrible at your job, Sony. Microsoft. Nintendo. _You're all terrible at your jobs!_
Anyone remember when the 3do came out and it was like $500 or something and the sony ps1 announced right after at e3 and the ceo just said "$299" and walk off. I guess sony has a different mindset now
SONY HAS LOST ITS MIND! $300 for the VR2, $700 plus extra for a disc drive and a stand?? I could build a faster PC, get a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and still have enough for taco bell for all...😂
@@jamsquan9415 tech princing in Brazil is a mess, they pretty much take the US price and add a zero in the end. Keep in mind that the average monthly sallary in Brazil is around 1.800 RS, so in this case the average brazilian will take 4 months to be able to buy the console. And to add salt to the injury, a 70 US game in brazil is 350 RS, in orther words, 20% for your salary to buy ONE game.
@@guilhermeveloso1754 it's not even close to being that expensive here in pakistan bro but after customs and taxes, it srill costs thrice thr retail value in the US and for that kind of money here you can build a high end pc 💀🥲 Sony genuinely lost their minds with this one
These revisions are always just a disguised attempt to combat piracy and maximize profits. When these consoles become old enough to be considered retro/nostalgic it's almost always the original model that's most desirable.
PS3 was so expensive it definitely hurt sales, only after those later models with features cut hit the market they were able to compete with Xbox 360 in terms of sale count. I hope PS5 Pro will also sell poorly so they will maybe learn and reduce prices too.
It's the frog in the pot scenario. It takes time to condition people into accepting a desired outcome. The end goal is for the government, not the corporations, to decide if you are able to play games or watch movies. If you are a good little Prole, they will let you keep your games. If you are a naughty Prole with a low social credit score, your media privileges get revoked. If the media in question does not adhere to the ideological standards of the government, it will get the Fahrenheit 451 treatment. You will own nothing, and be happy, because Big Brother knows what is best for you.
You can always tell when you're reading comments on a tech focused UA-cam channel when people still go on about "Sony removed Linux from the PS3". Oh no, that thing which 99% of PS3 owners never used or cared about, assuming they even knew what Linux was at the time, or that the option even existed. 🤷🏻♂️ In the mind of some, reasons for getting a PS3: 🐧 Boot Linux 🎮 Play games 💿 Watch a Blu-Ray In the minds of 99% of PS3 owners: 🎮 Play games 💿 Watch Blu-Rays 🐧 Sorry, what's Linux?
As a hardware admin, red flags went off when i heard Zen2 Why is that a problem? 2 things 1: Zen2 APUs, including the PS5 have 1/4 the cache per core of Zen2 CPUs. 2:Zen2 has 2 CCX of 4 cores for 4+4 cores with 4+4MB of cache. Zen3 and later use a single CCX for a unified 8 cores(and a unified 16MB of cache double that of Zen2, with up to 4x the usable cache at any given time to a single core) Why is this important? If the PS5 doesnt jump up to 24GB of RAM on a 384 bit bus, much of the bandwidth of that GDDR6 is going to be sucked up by the CPU because of how much more often it needs to go to RAM instead of cache. Yes adding cache makes the die larger, consume more energy, and be more expensive. Do you know what else cache does? Reduces total system power draw because the RAM needs to be used less, going to RAM is something like 4 orders of magnitude more energy required than staying within cache, and yes this includes on-package RAM like Lunar Lake(though probably just 2 orders of magnitude) When the CPU needs to go to RAM, that RAM becomes unavailable to the GPU. This would probably be fine if it still had 40(36 usable) compute units, but its apparently going up to 60 compute units, thats the same as the RX 6800, and do you know what the RX 6800 has? A 256 bit bus dedicaded to the GPU instead of a 256 bit bus shared between CPU and GPU. The CPU doesnt really need the bandwidth the GPU needs, however, when the CPU takes up clock cycles, its robbing that bandwidth no matter what.
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“Play has no limits” ❌
“Price has no limits” ✅
- Sony
bro waited for the next ps5 pro video to steal a comment
"Play has no limits"
"Play has no limits * "
@@Anthropomorphic Pay has no limits***
*Sonyfornia
You’re so creative and funny and totally not lame or anything
Man, Sony is doing a great job promoting PC gaming.
especially if they keep putting the games on steam lol
They should just sell the playstation as a mini pc
I unironically decided to swap to pc gaming after the pro reveal. My current pc is a bit better than a 5 but i still generally prefer consoles, but if this is the future, im out, chief.
@@somedude4487 I've thought for a while that it was a mistake for them to divest from the web browser. should have stuck with that shit.
@@jude2214 I just bought a new PC myself! Cheers, fella !
Can't wait to see reseller selling these babies for 1500 dollars 🤑
I’ll be one of them. Daddy needs to upgrade his M3.
They'll have them listed, but selling them? X to doubt.
There's gonna be dudes with a garage still full of these when the PS6 releases.
@@pixlpuk3 😘
@@slobbyxd3885 😘
cant wait to not buy them then.
I still can't freaking believe they had the nerve to take out the disc drive and call it a Pro "upgrade"
*That's literally a downgrade*
No disk drive is ridiculous. But the biggest slap in the face is not even including the stand.
Especially when a stand is a piece of plastic not worth more than 10$ and a drive should never cost as much as 80$, these are proprietary for purpose, to milk even more money.
Disc*
Dis(c) is for optical media (read/etched by laser)
Dis(k) is for magnetic media (like a Hard Disk Drive or floppy disk)
Small thing but I've seen it enough times I'm saying something now.
Console $800
PS+ essential for life cycle $800
Disc drive $129
Stand $30
Edge-controller to prevent drifting $250
=$2100
@@Leopardipzgbetter to get some third party to replace the sticks with hall effect ones. I heard that the removable sticks are never in stock
@@Leopardipzgedge controller fpr easier "repair"*
Ubisoft taught me to be comfortable not owning games. Sony taught me to be comfortable not owning every console.
True poetry
I think ps5 might be the last console I ever buy
The future not looking good
At that point I’m just gonna buy old modded consoles wherever I can find them
Keep building my library but backwards lol.
Old games are better.
PC master race
You will own no games and be happy
Klaus Schwab
@whysoserious4274
If you want old school machines, i recommend the following for most game coverage on Portable consokes (Hardware games):
Gameboy Advance (plays GB, GBC, and GBA)
DS Lite (GBA and DS)
New 3DS (N3DS, 3DS, DS)
PSP
PS Vita
If you just want your library as software with a pirate cap:
New 3DS
PS Vita
Steam Deck
You can buy 466 Costco hot dogs + drinks for the price of 1 $700 PS5 Pro. Enough to feed a small village
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How about their chicken bakes? Those are pretty great too!
Let's be honest, PlayStation stopped being valuable whenever backwards compatibility stopped extending. You mean to tell me you can put all of this state of the art technology in it but I can't play PlayStation 1 games? I could understand if there was some type of preservation plan but they're not even preserving games we're losing them! Like imagine if you couldn't message people on iPhones just because you had a two generation gap. That's asinine.
i would rather have the 466 costco hotdogs.
a small village or one of me
I miss the Simple PS3 days.. free online multiplayer.. back when PlayStation/Sony wasn’t greedy.
It was free because ps3 was failing to catch on with xbox 360......if ps3 was winning they would probably charge us for online play
They absolutely were greedy in the beginning. They gave us a broken product with pretty much no online, no games and had the gall to charge $600 for it.
You remember that the PS3 cost 600 bucks right?
Or any other console for that matter. It was nice to play with others on my 3DS
Look up the Nvidia rtx4070. Ps5 will have 60fps & raytracing. I'm no fan of Sony but I understand specs unlike 99% of u chiming in on things u know nothing about
The PS5 reveal video is actually a prequel in the “Building your first PC” Tutorial series
Followed by how to dual boot Linux
Finale just deletes Windows
@@LeftyPencil "haha!!!! i get it windows bad!!!" 😐
That will not only be much more capable than the current gen consoles, but the next gen as well.
@@joogled1839 Whats your point? Windows sucks, more than 80% of it is literal bloatware, linux's only short falling is compatibility with most programs that work on windows and sometimes accessibility
windows genuinely just sucks, theres no competitors so you cant really do much about it unless you get a modified de-bloated windows copy where most security features are literally not present in it because they gobble up your entire pc's resources like its cake
the funny part is just a week or 2 ago i was comparing ps4, ps5, gaming laptops and pc components prices bc my laptop (omen) needs fixing and i cant find its parts anywhere (its a 2016 model), the timing of ps5 pro is hilarious to me rn - my conclusion was already if i get a console id need a tv too something i abandoned 5 years ago bc i didnt need one anymore , and id still need a laptop for work etc so whats the point, then rebuild my game library and pay up mooore hahah
Sony is going full Apple with this.
i mean, they are the apple of gaming there's no lie about it.
You do not go full Apple!
I actually 100% agree with you since it gonna get to the point where Playstation is just gonna do like Apple did which the consoles apparantly going be cost $1k which you might well buy/build a pc for same price
@@RadiantPlayhouse that has better specs than the ps5 "pro" anyway*
They've been heading that way for years.
That 700💲is called concord tax.
Concord is dead my brother.
@@randysalsman6992you’re definitely slow my brother.
@@randysalsman6992 Did you ever wonder why you had a shorter school bus as a kid?
@ randysalsman6992
Whoosh….
@@worlds_greatest_detective6667 lmao
It’s so crazy we are 4 years into this consoles lifetime and it still seems like no one is buying it
There’s really nothing to play tbh
@@truestory2990yea there maybe been what 15 games that required a next gen upgrade (atleast weren’t also on old gen)
@@truestory2990 yea most of the “exclusive” games are on PC anyways or are a remaster of an older game
60 million units sold in 4 years, the ps4 has 117 million in 11 years.
Literally sold incredibly well and dominates the console market
The price they're asking for the PS5 Pro could potentially push more people into the world of PC gaming where the return on investment seems a lot better.
Yup sums it up
Gaming on PC is hefty up front but the games are Massively Cheaper. Plus you can use any controller you want.
Either this or turn into xbox
@@Sm0ke821 I left Console Gaming when the Consoles moved to x86. Yeah you can build a quite cheap computer if you are willing to look. Good places to start are business liquidation PCs. Get everything except a GPU. You can this for quite cheap. Purchaing Used products on Amazon can save you alot too.
I am grown now so Big Boy PCs for me. :)
I mean sure, but PC gamers are not really the target audience.
And if less than 1k for 60-120fps @ 4k with raytracing is too much, you are really not going to get gaming pc, since it would cost at least 2-3k to get machine that can do that.
Of course PC is much more versatile tool, if you have need for it. But just for gaming PS5 pro isn't really that expensive.
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I have a vape shop nearby that was inside of a convenience store, the vape shop kept expanding so they bought a building down the street to move it into and instead of just naming the vape shop it's own thing it was named Tommy's E-Cigs 2. All I think of when I pass by there lmfao.
They literally just made a second PS5 and expect people to buy it
@Channel-sld-q9s ohio
Eeeew wtf😮 nooo
"You will suck us and like it."
And people are gonna still buy it unfortunately, even if they have a normal ps5 with 0 reason to upgrade ur still gonna have brainlets buy it and give in to the deceptive marketing
UA-cam still cant remove these bot comments They have billions of dollars lol
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.
Wow, that's actually kind of true.
@@potion95 it’s a copy pasta. It’s not kind of true at all - you have to pay for rental cars too, doesn’t make it ok to steal them
@@svenmify But when you actually pay for the car you get to own it, right?
@@OrlandoGamino sure, but some business models involve actually selling while others involve renting. Doesn’t make it ok to steal regardless of which model they follow. You can just chose not to participate.
@@svenmifythat’s a dodgy analogy - you can rent digital media, in the same way you can rent a car, but if I choose to buy a car, the corporation/vendor won’t arbitrarily revoke my ownership of the car (except that is slowly becoming a possibility due to the integration of dashboard computers and remote access 😢). If I’m opting into a transaction, under the pretext that I’ll have ownership of what I’m buying, but I won’t, then I’m being duped by the seller. So if buying isn’t owning, then pirating isn’t stealing. It’s not the consumer changing the dynamics, it’s the corporations. We’re getting fleeced and being stripped of our consumer rights.
No disk drive is already an insult, but the "(Vertical Stand sold separately)" is just the cherry on top.
I wouldn’t mind if the ps5 didn’t have a goofy design, but it does
That was the first things I say
sold seprate
You put a lot weight on a stand you need. The disk drive on the other hand actually is an issue
But yet you'll all buy it.
@@BkBk-gy6vr and you’ll cry about how other people spend their money.
It’s is undeniably expensive though
Arrogant Sony definitely is the title that they definitely deserve.
$700 PS5 PRO,
No disk drive, No vertical stand, No Buy.
Sony Grade.... *EPIC FAIL!!!!*
Their testing the waters to go full digital/stream gaming.
They're already taking games off people's accounts on last Gen consoles, Microsoft did this to me on my Xbox 1. Bought a game that I waited to go on sale, played it for a couple days and left my Xbox alone for like a week and then I came back and I find out they took the game off my account with no explanation or refund and the store is asking me to buy the game again... After this? Never again...
Not much we can do because we signed their TOS, when we bought and signed up with their console. They know this and it emboldens them.
Doing this says " you will pay twice because we say you'll pay twice."
if the console doesn't come with a disc drive by default then it is an instant nope from me
i would have bought it for 700 its a 40% upprice over the original. but here tjey want 800euro a 60% upprice
CONSUME PRODUCT. THEN GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT.
@@pwnomega4562 thats whats useful about steam and a certain other internet resource which is 100% legal and has been around quite literally since the birth of the internet (one of the first websites i was ever a regular visitor to, is one that 'fixes' executables for games that YOU OWN THE LICENSE TO so said software then actually complies with local laws (steam only holds my licenses and backs up my software as per my legal right, i have an absolute legal right to use the software as i see fit, free from any interference from the developer or a third party, and for that software that i paid for, to be fully functional without internet access or some extra 'you must sign in first' launcher.
three SSD's full of backed up and fully functional games (as long as the machine i install them to is airgapped, as soon as it wants to update anything shit breaks. no one is taking shit away from me.
They can't even play DVDs anymore. They removed blue ray.
The biggest rip-off is that they can just ban your console, essentially making it a brick. You don't have to worry about that with a PC.
My flatmate bought a PS4 off a friends kid for $100. When he tried to go online, a message appeared saying PS was banned from online use. Found out the kid stole his Nan's credit card, used it online and got busted for fraud. So they banned his PS. No way of overturning ban even though my flatmate did nothing wrong. Stupid thing is the friends kid just got another PS and then went back online to cheat and commit more fraud. Only one punished was an innocent 3rd party who just wanted to play games online. NEVER buy a second ha d PS without checking it online first....it may be just a brick
@@markboscoe272 I heard stories of people that got banned and didn't cheat on games or do anything fraudulent. It seems that Sony can use any breach of terms of service or community guidelines to ban a console. Reminds me of the Xbox 360 ban waves. But at least you could still use the system offline. Thank goodness your flatmate only lost $100 though. I heard stories of people that bought consoles on eBay and got beat for $300+
Well millions of people use steam and I know people with 600+ games on steam and if they just decide to ban your account you lose all of that, it's the same fight as you would have with sony/Microsoft.
I'm not even on the side I play pc but it's scary to know that with a push of a button you can lose potentially thousands worth of games
@@BaconDanglers Atleast if that does happen on PC you can sail the 7 seas to get the vast majority of your games back and more importantly your system will still be able to go online. Also the only way steam will outright ban an account is if you try to rip them off financially; anything else will just get you banned from playing a specific game or get you banned from posting on a specific game's forum depending on what you did.
There is no ban tha can brick a console. When will ignorant people stop spreading such bullshit? They can permaban your console's PSN login so they stop you from signing into PSN. However that doesnt make the console a brick. You can still put your discs in and play them without PSN.
$700 for the console, $70 dollars for a controller that'll get stick drift in 6 months, $72 for a ps plus subscription depending on the region and you gotta spend money on the vertitcal stand and disc drive. This is straight up corporate greed.
But consider all the money you'll save on games. You could buy the entire catalog for a cool $0!
Yep
Hey, someone has to pay for Concord.
Likely $100 for the separate disc drive.
Does it not come with a controller?
Nintendo is doing a Luigi and winning by doing absolutely nothing
Year of Luigi is back, fellas!
Pretending like Nintendo isn't guilty of doing the same type of scam...
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemooncan you enlighten me about it.?
Curse Nintendo for having the Switch pro not have a cart-slot and selling the console for 700USD, oh wait...
Yall nintendo haters are just salty nintendo is #1 and xbox is #2
The modern business model has become "what are they gonna do, leave?"
Even funnier to see the reaction when consumers say "yes, we're actually leaving".
@@enricofermi3471 but that's just it though these companies are perfectly fine letting the industry die I'm pretty sure Nintendo is the only company that would sink because of it
I left 2 generations ago I'm still on the PS3
yes, a lot of people will leave
@@Bergamot88 just build a pc lol
My favorite line from Zero Punctuation on the graphics situation is when he said, "Caring about graphics is like saying Army of Darkness would be a good movie if only it were in 4K".
HEY! dont diss my favorite movie like that :(
Unnecessary AOD slander
In an rpg I have to spend over 95% of my hard earned gold that I have wasted hours grinding up just to be able to afford a sword that's only 0.01% better than the one I already got. This feels like that.
more like a sword that does the same damage, but 1% of the time does a critical hit that increases the damage by 1%
$1,200 AUD with no disk drive or plastic stand... before taxes.
You can quite literally just build yourself a more powerful computer with that money.
how u get $1200 ? 700 United States Dollar equals 1,049.20 Australian Dollar (12 Sept, 1:02 am UTC · Disclaimer)
They price it higher because they can get away with it man.
@@DaSlothoyou gotta factor shipping and the mark ups they do there and here in NZ as well.
And the disc drive is 160 and stand is 50 dollarydoos.
You Aussies are absolutely getting scammed man. very smart to just get a computer at that point
Playstation and Xbox for the next gen: "What if we sell the power supply separately?!"
Investors: *clap clap clap clap*
You're joking but seeing what phone companies did, I bet we will see this happen in the next 5 years.
@@archockencanto1645and for some hilarious reason that is unconstitutional in Brazil.
Apple tried that and just asked "ok we'll pay a fine." The fine was seizure of stock until every customer is made whole.
(Bundled sales are highly illegal, and being forced to make a second purchase to be able to use the first purchase meets the criteria)
We live in a society
Sony and Microsoft right now:
WRITE THAT DOWN.. WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!
Nintendo be like:
Ayyooo, wtf, that was our idea!!!
Anyone remember that stunt they pulled with most models of the 3DS where they didn't bother including the power supply, nor even a usb cable in the box?
If you buy a PS5 Pro you're part of the problem.
"But wait! It gets worse!"
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Damn bro program your bot better sending the same shit twice doesn't change anything 💀
No disk drive! No great console selling new games! Squint to maybe see the difference on very few, specific, games for just $700! Buy now so we don't learn from our mistakes and go back to the wonderful old days where consoles sell lower price and make it up with amazing games!
Buy now, now now now!
Yep it dose.
Play has not limits but my wallet does
And so does my patience.
amen brother
Based financial responsibility
@@frankdrebinnI have waaaay more subs than you
Then you have no right to play
PS5 Pro is supposed to be an upgrade but essentially you’re paying $700+ to abandon your physical games and start over buying the expensive digital games that have stayed $69.99 even 2 years after the game came out.
You bought physical ps5 games?
@@Fingerkneeyes I did
@@Fingerkneeps4 games are compatible with the ps5.
@@Fingerknee with how things are going in the gaming industry, i feel more comfortable with solely buying physical copies. I've always liked doing that for longevity purposes, but now I just don't trust companies.
I guess that's the case if you haven't already abandoned physical games, but a lot of us, like myself, bought the digital PS5 and abandoned physical games a long time ago. Fight it as long as you want, but you won't have the option to ignore digital only much longer. And I'm a dinosaur, I grew up with physical media, still the first opportunity I had to abandon my binder full of disks, I was done at that moment, and I'll never look back.
its like spending $100,000 for a car (engine not included)
they're basically just making worse PCs, they've gotten rid of all the benefits of console.
They think ps5 exclusives will sell them. Wealthy pc gamers who want the best right away will probably buy it.
I thought that the new gen consoles were capable of playing DVDs but apparently these cons have no more Blu-ray players. It's a sole wifi gaming device. Might as well stream games.
Do you play games off of disks on your PC? That's been a done deal for decades now
What are the benefits of a console again and what have they gotten rid of that doesn't make it a console experience?
@@iceman5117I hope you’re joking lmao
We are charged top dollar for locked, watered-down PC versions. The gaming companies don't care about us gamers, only their profits.
It’s been like this for years, it’s just gotten worse and worse over time
If gamers united and boycotted the companies by not buying the products then they would have to stop. But at long as people keep bending over and taking it, companies will keep giving it to them.
They never cared
If I could buy a PlayStation license from Sony so that I could play GTA 6 on my PC when it releases, I surely would consider it.
You've only just worked that out?
They went HARD on the "You will own nothing, and you will like it" stand.
Bro, original Liberty Rock Radio and Radio Vladivostok FM go so hard while cruising the streets of Liberty City in GTA 4. So glad I grabbed the physical copy for my 360.
The amount of people defending the PS5 Pro's pricing is actually pathetic. You only have yourselves to blame when you gotta fork out $1,000 for the PS6.
That what I'm asking. If the ps5 pro is $700, then how much is the ps6 gonna cost lmao.
no one is defe ding this price, is the other way around
Is the people defending $700 ps5 pro price in the room with you? LMAOOO
those aren't people, those are Sony bots pushing damage control.
I'm from New Zealand and when I convert that into our monopoly money it makes me very sad 😢 lol.
It makes ZERO sense that a product that requires physical production costs, along with shipping and distribution, costs the SAME as a Digital Download!!!
And it's a license that can be taken away from you at any point
i mean at this point a disc probably only costs sony a few cents
Because the shareholders at Sony needs moneys
They have an agreement with retailers
unless your the company SELLING said game. THEN it makes sense
*What people forget is that besides spending $800+ on a PS5 Pro that can run your PHYSICAL games, you need a good TV to notice a difference*
Good point!
i'm still using a 1920x1080 144hz monitor
Actually it's 800+*
* *Sony authentication server sold separately*
So my 1986 Sony Trinitron won't be nice enough?
@@scottthewaterwarrior A Trinitron is always enough
The PS5 Pro is 100% a marketing department idea, not the actual department designing the hardware.
Whales will pay 200$ extra dollars just to see 4 more pixels on the screen they wont even notice 99% of the time.
It upgrades 8500 ps4 games to 4k 60fps and maybe even beyond that. If you can’t tell the difference from 1080p 30fps then you’re blind
@@562.anthony2me who doesn't have a 4k monitor
Isn't that exactly what pc gamers do every year when a new gpu comes out? But not 200 dollars but thousands?
Im a whale and I wont even be wasting my money on a PS5 Pro. I would rather waste that money on a gacha game or give it to a homeless person.
@@562.anthony2it does not upgrade the frame rate of games, developers have to patch their games
Gamers need to unite on this one. No disc and huge price. NO ONE BUY THIS. Make it like Concord
It's disappointing to see how gaming companies are trying to steer us towards a future where the physical preservation of games is considered obsolete.
Why that? You think people will be fumbling around for discs in 50 years?
The assholes buying a new phone every year are part of this problem
Also the ones that bought into the Cybertruck.
@@nightelfuser do you see everyone with a cybertruck? no you dont small child, you see people with a phone literally everywhere you look....
They got jealous of apple lol
I'm with OP on his post but your statement is waffle. Nonsense @@nightelfuser
I disagree. I buy the newest Samsung Note (now "Ultra") phone every year. BUT only because Samsung gives me 75%-80% of what I paid for my previous phone as trade-in each year. If I pay $1,000 for a phone, I get $750-$800 credit for sending my old phone back. Same as if I bought a brand new phone every 4 years and kept it for 4 years. Except, I get to have the newest phone every year. If they ever change this pricing scheme, I'll stop getting a new phone every year.
I pray you stay pure bro. Your review is dead accurate and has helped me make a decision. Thank you, please don’t sell out. Your content is amazing
Gene Park said this same thing on Twitter and ppl jumped on him for it but like come on $820 for console is insane consoles used to be affordable not rent prices
I would LOVE to have $800 for RENT I haven't had rent price like that for 6 year now i also wish gas was $2 dollars a gallon its not but i still buy it.
If you want an affordable option, you can buy the regular PS5...
@@iceman5117 They have recently stopped selling the base PS5, which has been replaced by the more expensive Slim model smh...also not a good alternative...
@@Dept-of-Agriculture release price was $499, the slim is $450 and GameStop has it on sale for $400. The slim is the new base PS5 and is identical to the release model
As a PC gamer, I was actually considering buying the PS5 Pro for the sole reason of playing GTA 6 when it dropped. I the last 24 hours I've seriously changed my mind. I won't buy the console. I'll be waiting for it to release on PC. Big L for Rockstar for not releasing it on PC day one.
Was planning to do the same for Stellar Blade (as a console gamer since the N64). Decided to skip this gen entirely and wait for it to come to PC lol
Just get the base PS5 lmao just like I did 🤣
Rockstar is no better. They don't release on pc on purpose because they want that double dip
@@TheWeekEndGAMES damn right
I am gonna skip GTA this time even when it drops on PC.
It feels like they’re trying to make up for their losses elsewhere *ahem concord*.
Chuds are really going to have this one living rent free inside
7:42 - "Close to the-" yep. Totally got that. XD.
The balls on sony to announce this , meanwhile the shmucks that managed to get a ps5 are sitting playing ps4 games and "remastered" ps1,ps2 and ps3 games
Speculation says this was announced to distract from the failures of Concord.
@christianedwards9025 even if they announced the ps6...concord is still a failure 😄
And you’re sitting here playing the big man on the internet. Go you!
@@paulie.walnuts2838 well yeah of course hehe
I was gonna mention RE8 but apparently it's also on 4.
$700.00 and not a single mention about GPU cooling or system cooling. I give it a month before these consoles start overheating.
Hahah so true 😂
Bet these things are at least gonna sound like a boeing 747 at full thrust lmao
PS5's by themselves are already over heating in mass just 4 years later. All the launch ones are basically junk & this'll continue with the PS5 Pro's 2 - 3 years down the road just like normal PS5's already are.
All previous Sony consoles weren't any different either.
@@Nighterlevthat’s a lie, it’s called keeping your console clean 🤡
Sony Customer Service: The 3 black stripes we have should cool the system .🤣
The fact that there’s no disc drive is crazy. Shouldn’t the pro model have at least all the features of the non pro. Damn
I will never own a console without a disc drive. The only digital games I buy are small 5$ games at most and even that is rare
Discs are a thing of the past. They’re just not popular enough for them to focus on anymore.
I thought you could buy a separate disc drive.
@@svenmify no they are not and never will be. All us hardware owners will be laughing at all the crybabys when the digital games you paid for and want to play are removed from the servers. Forever.
@@123payattention you do realise that physical copies often don’t contain the full game either, and if they do, it doesn’t have any of the patches?
It’s not often I want to play a ten year old game. In the rare event that happens, I’ll just rebuy it (on a new platform), jailbreak an old console, or emulate it.
That tiny benefit simply doesn’t outweigh the hassle of dealing with physical games. It’s more clutter, you can easily misplace them, you have to dust them, …
I still have a drawer full of old ps2, GameCube, n64, gba and ps3 games. Guess how often I play those? Pretty much never.
That's always bothered me how digital isn't cheaper. Like you said, there's no disc, case, shipping, labor costs at all for digital. Yet it still costs the same as physical
A console was good because you didn't need a lot of money and just by using a disc you could go directly to play, no download, installation or configuring required. Now there's no reason why people shouldn't spend those 1000 dollars on a PC that will last them way more than a PS5
Ps5 lasts maybe 2 years before their " new upgrade". Each laptop of which I have had 2, lasted 5 years and The PC I have now has lasted several so far and if I need to change parts to upgrade - far less hassle in the future to buy a part and install it myself. Can save money in the long run, plays all the games I want, i am learning unity and blender on top, it has multiple uses.
u buy a console if ur braindead with pc's
and thats concerning cuz nowadays they are far easier to use. and for a 900 dollar console u can spend that on a pc and get far more fun out of stuff.
u can buy a decently cheap setup for 400-500 and can play emulators or even buy cheap games off humble and steam summer/winter sales. etc.
for a 1000 console u get maybe 20 games if lucky. for a pc thats well over 100 games.
@@miciso666 but PCs aren't hard to use though
In Europe is even worst. Console 800€+disc drive+stand+extra controler+ ps plus. It cost almost 1100€ wtf. Sony is insane. For that price you can buy a gaming PC way better than a PS5 pro...
1100 euros pc is slightly better than a normal ps5, what is the point if you can buy ps5 slim for 500 euros which will perform the same
@@NAGEE3301 Because that PC which would likely be more than "slightly" better can play PS1, PS2, PS3, NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Switch, Dreamcast, Xbox and Xbox 360 games via emulation - Then you've got games for the Xbox One/Series, most of which also released on PC, not to mention games that release on PC and not consoles
All you're really missing is PS4 and the handful of PS5 exclusives that exist
So if you have the extra euros to spend on a PS5 Pro instead of a base PS5, what would be the point in buying such a limited system as the PS5 aside from really wanting to play an exclusive, like me and Gran Turismo since the dumpster fire that Forza turned into lol
@@TheCynicalJedi I was talking about performance and price for the platform, not games, in fact, ps5 still has more games than xbox, you still don't have wukong, and I'm not talking about playstation releases on pc and exclusives like resently released astro bot and stellar blade, and the price between pc and ps5 is woping 500-600 dollars, it's basically free 8 AAA games, and with all of that you gonna open your mouth about games?
Yes, PC is much better. You can play all the older games too without paying any money, you can play all the console games via emulation except some PS4 and PS5 games.
It's much better to invest in a PC to play in a variety of ways.
@@NAGEE3301 Yeah I'm gonna open my mouth about games, you know why?
*_That's what it exists for, playing games_*
You know that external disk drive you need to play your disk games? You could buy 12 months of Game Pass Ultimate for around the same price
Wukong isn't on Xbox, but it's on PC, I'm sure there's a logical reason you don't want to talk about that when we're comparing PC and PS5
So yes, I'll open my mouth about games.
Impressively confrontational considering as the end of my other comment suggests, I want the PS5 to be good too, if Gran Turismo wasn't the only thing I'd play on it I'd have bought one as close to launch as possible... But Gran Turismo 4, 5 and 6 will do me for now
Edit: By the way... Talking about games should be the least concerning topic comparing the PS5 Pro to a comparably priced PC... As soon as you start talking about things that PC can do that the PS5 can't it looks even worse... You know, because the PC is a PC
They should call this thing the "PS5 Bro" because whenever you hear someone buy one, you'll just go "Bro..."
Bro
bruv
Bruh...
brodah.....
Wahh broo
There might be the slight chance that the price is a marketing stunt, like it happened with the first sonic movie; launch a trailer, generate outrage, let people talk about it for a few weeks or so, then do the big announcement of the “new” price= you’re very much forgiven and suddenly it doesen’t sound so expensive= more customers. Sounds very unreal tho…
Squidward - " $101 dollars for a krabby patty"?
Mr. Krabs - "With cheese Mr. Squidward...with cheeeeese"
I bought a PS5 because I had lost my PS4. If I still had it I wouldn't have bothered. Now there's no way I'm buying this thing, and anyone with a PS5 who buys one of these is an idiot. Even if I was still on my old PS4 it would be a tough sell, I think I'd wait another 3 years.
Just get a steam deck or PC. I had to make the switch because I saw where Sony and Microsoft was going with it.
How do you lose a Play station ?
@saltysourdough Yeah but the value that the price represents can change. The ps4 was much bigger leap for gaming than the ps5 but the price jump was less than ps2 to ps3 because people complained that the ps3 was overpriced, it can happen again.
@@kodiacstephens8104Wishful thinking, but that’s kinda what I’m hoping for, too. Like, everything in the world is super expensive, game consoles shouldn’t cost the same amount as rent in some places. I still have my ps4 and I love it. I almost bought a ps5 today since I really want to play final fantasy, but I might just get a decent laptop instead. I don’t have nearly enough for an actual pc 😅 Really not sure yet
@@tonymontana897came here to ask exactly that
Sony faps on how many rays they can trace but are not able to deliver a single new gameplay experience
Lol!
Dude, applaud them for their consistency. You can still play Bloodborne and Red Dead 2 at full cinematic 30FPS, no change, no more rays or trace....
Astro Bot literally just came out...
@@Raptorclawzthats 15 hours of bliss that works well on base PS5. This generation been so weak
people have been buying consoles just so they can buy the same madden and 2k every year. when have they last made new gaming experiences? ps2?
I remember buying Metal Gear Solid 5 disk version on PC and all that was on the disk was a Steam installer. No game files. Just Steam. Which then needed an update. Then had to download the ENTIRE game. I basically bought an empty box with a Steam key...
And this comes after the whole Concord mess.
Concord - it's so over
Astro Bot - we're so back
PS5 Pro - it's so over
@@mjc0961It’s always a cycle.
@@mjc0961it will continue to be over sadly
You can't rely on corporations to preserve games, you got to take it in your own hands, make the tools to do so widely available, they can't sue us all.
U go first😂
I'm with him, I'm not trusting you until it actually happens.@@shinglesshingles
@@gagejohnathan9641The Internet Archive is sitting in the corner crying
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing!
Lol Imagine paying for a console that double the price with 4x less the content than the ps4 pro
Consoles are just a scam at this point. Gotta pay for games you don't get to own, pay for online service on top of the internet, and the accessories / replacement parts are marked up so high that it costs almost as much as the console.
Yeah pretty much, The only console worth getting these days is Nintendo because their games are pretty much hard lock hard designed to run specifically on their hardware.
@@TheHipisterDeer Might even need to hold off of that since the new console is coming out in 2025 from what I've heard. But then again, the console is so old you can buy a used one for abt 100 bucks lol
@@TheHipisterDeerunless you dont mind pirating. If a publisher doesnt bother supporting the platforms that I own, they shouldnt be bothered that i pirate their game, especially considering I can get a much better experience with emulation compared to the native consoles. Thats why i have always thought consoles were scams. They just exist to create vendor lock in and forced obsolecense for games.
All those things are true, but as a PC gamer it's pretty much the case for PC too. Sure we don't have to pay to play online, but simultaneously getting physical copies for your games is a pipedream at this point whereas consoles still produce a majority of their games on disc. The entire gaming landscape is in a sad state. The moment gaming got to be big enough, it was seized by the rich and greedy and it was always going to end up like this.
And what makes it worse is the limited catalogue of games to choose from.
yo is that sourboys in the background? that's so cool! lets gooo Mudahar and Oompaville
"For some reason 800 Euros"
That reason is VAT. In Europe prices already include taxes in 99.99% of cases.
Yes but I already worked out The good old Great British Pound... £699 equates to almost $1000 US!!! (Exchange rates... We are paying MORE!)
What is it in Euros? Lets have a look... $881.58 .... Slight increase but fairer!!!
In fact the EU price is the only one that actually tracks... And trust me, its nothing to do with Taxes! It about PROFITS!
Teh reason we in the UK and EU add Taxes BEFORE PURCHASE is that way you know EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL PAY! There are NO SURPRISES when you get to the till and suddenly find another 200 Bucks added to your bill in sales taxes... You are paying the tax with your purchase so you know AHEAD OF TIME if you can afford it!
SONY, like Amazon and Netflix KNOW DAMN WELL that Exchange Rates do not match... But by having a "Singular Pricing Structure" -0 They create and illusion to the consumer that all are being treated fair! - But they are not!
Again, Netflix is a Great Example... Their Standard Package with no ads is £14.99 in the UK, $14.99 in the US, 14.99 in Canada and also in Argentina... But 14:99 in the USA is about $28 in the UK! And only $8 in Canada!
In Argentina its $2!!!
None of us are paying the same... And these companies are profiting form an illusion of "Conformity" THEY BLOODY KNOW THE EXCAHNGE RATES DONT WORK THAT WAY! But give Consumers teh impression they are all being treated equal... They will buy into the LIE!
Ohhhh that makes a lot of sense actually. Was wondering why their prices were higher
UK price matching the US one with a different currency symbol also includes VAT
Wanna know the fun bit? $700 converted to GBP is currently around £535 or into Euro's it's around €634
@@TheCynicalJedi £700 is $920
@TheCynicalJedi yeah, and 535 plus 20 % vat is 650 plus currency and transport cost fluctuations and you have the price they're asking for.
We dont need Pro's or midlife consoles
Mid Console Crisis.
That’s not true, we needed midlife consoles back in the 7th gen (PS3 and XB360 slim revisions for example). It would’ve been interesting to see the ps5 and Xbox series release in lieu of the ps4 pro and Xbox one X, but those two are very popular and well known revisions that made some later ps4 games anazing.
But the ps5 is tech a pa4 midlife console 😂 what’s changed
So dont buy it?
@@TheOnlyPedroGameplaysnowadays we dont need it because we're hitting diminishing returns with these miniscule upgrades.
I’d spend $700 on a Mutastation pro
You can play Gta 7/11 or tech support simulator
It's cheap since it probably has a 4090
800€ is a crime. That's literally the minimum wage here in Portugal...
Vota Partido Socialista que isso passa.
If you are getting paid 800€ you shouldnt even think about buying the "Pro"
It's a crime everywhere, we are in a global recession
For 800€ you can get the rog ally x right now which can emulate everything from the nes to ps3/switch + access to Gamepass and all games released on Steam, Uplay, EA app, etc.
And it's portable.
@@GardenBirdWatch It's actually 820€ to be precise but then we have to give some to social security in order to have our pensions later on so it's more like ~720€.
However, when people usually buy something expensive here they pay it as a monthly fee until it's all paid off. This is why I still see people with iphones around lol.
i think one of the biggest realisations is that 'realistic graphics' isnt the same as 'good graphics', yet every AAA dev seems to think it is
I'm more of a fan of Anime type graphics, like the "Tales of..." series than realistic. I mean my real life has realistic graphics. If I want realism I can just go hang out at the beach, the bar, the moves, wherever. When I play games, I want something different.
Minecraft......an 8 bit stylized game....is the most sold videogame ever, if you don't count all the Tetris sequels being 1 game. That's literally the proof that graphics aren't what sells a game.
If someone was selling a monster truck that has only been prinered.... poorly, who cares!? it's a monster truck! Or would you rather the coolest looking scifi corvette custom job that has a 2.5 iron duke?
Since every mofo and their own mother decided to use the Unreal Engine 5 as their game engine. Video gaming has taken a massive step backwards. It was already a bad situation with the overuse of the UE4. But now, every game literally looks the same.
The Art in Arstyle is lost for this generation. And probably the next as well.
In the past, Artists had to make levels look good. Hand place light sources etc. And games actually looked and felt better that way. Now its only, activate Raytracing, even if we don't even use moving light-sources or day night cycle. Just waste performance on fully rendered dynamic lights in completely stale stagnant static environments.... game development has become so stupid.
Metal Gear 2 Tanker level has "fake" reflections. Nothing was ray traced, but cleverly designed. And it blew everyone away. Or Quake 2, the Raytraced version shows, Raytracing is not the answer if you have good designers. But all the good people getting fazed out of the industry. And in a few years, there will only be, press A.I. Generate Button to create game.... then every game will be like Bugthesdas Clownfield. Complete and utter worthless slop.
@@seaweeb2258 Maybe not a corvette but I wouldn't be opposed to an iron duke fiero. Have a car slower than a prius but have all the cool factor of driving a car with pop up headlights and a mid engine
My favorite type of graphics is Borderlands
I hope the PS5 Pro beats Concord's record of being the fastest Sony product to be discontinued.
Nonthing can beat Concorde in that department.
@@ujayet Man you underestimate the incompetency of these companies
@@wlockuz4467 no seriously, no way a Ps5 pro would be dead after a week of release.. if it’s dead after 5 days I’ll come back here just to tell you you are right.
Looking forward to this argument continuing for a week or two :)
It's 799€ because it's mandatory in Europe to have the prices including taxes already. So it's basically the gross price.
Not to mention, with the PC you can do so much more than gaming. You can use it for work or content creation. You can also... Play thousands of PC games! Or emulate old consoles on it!
Or watch Muta on the big screen instead of your phone! 😁
Or… both at the same time
most people don't do content creation, and as for work, most companies give you hardware for that for security reasons(unless you are freelancer ofc). What PC can do better then Console is provide better performance, and greater variety of games indeed. But that's not gonna steer ppl to PC's. the biggest problem people have is not playing GTA6 upon release in 60 FPS LOL. it's ok, no point in trying to convince anyone. I for one will save the money for something more important and play GTA6 one year later or 2 on PC in 120 FPS or more, all good
@@tiberiumirica8445 When console players grow up and manage their own brain, they'll realize that you can set up a PC to act like a console almost 1 for 1. Backwards capability is peak on PC, and so is performance. You can play with photoshop, word, excel, blender, pinnacle, Audacity, ect.... Hou can now mod your favorite game, and map stuff for you favorite game. Clone hero and Beat Saber have 3rd party programs for that. You can pretty much do whatever. With the prices being similar enough now, there isn't a reason to stay loyal to a conpany. The future for consoles isn't looking good, but they were always scams anyway.
Most of these console fanboys have no skills or hobbies aside from gaming, and therefore no need for a machine that can do anything else.
Lately, I've seen that myth that a game disc is just a license key resurfacing, especially with the recent discussions around the lack of a disc drive on the PS5 Pro. I think people believe this because, on the PS5 (I can't speak for Switch or Xbox since I don’t own them), when you insert a disc, you get a notification that says something like "[Game Name] added to Downloads/Uploads." It gives the impression that the game is being downloaded from the internet, but that's not actually the case.
If you disconnect from the internet and insert the disc again, you'll see the same notification pop up, even though the PS5 is offline. Obviously, it can't be downloading anything without an internet connection. What’s really happening is the game is being installed from the disc, not downloaded. The data is on the disc itself.
I can confirm this from personal experience. When I visited family last month who dont have reliable internet, I brought my PS5 and bought some games while I was there, specifically Stellar Blade, Resident Evil 4 Remake, and Elden Ring. I installed and played them completely offline. Elden Ring even had version 1.10 on the disc, which shows it must have been a reprint.
So people, please stop spreading the idea that discs are just coasters. Misinformation like this is damaging to gaming as a whole.
I don't get how people even find that confusing. That's been a thing since ps3.
@@AA-sw5pb not really.
PS3 would sometimes say it's installing if the game had to be installed but that was within the game it'self and it never said downloading. Ps5 will display the same notification whether your downloading the game or installing from disc.
It's not completely untrue that game discs are license keys, it's just not all of them. You said that you're less familiar with Xbox, and that's where the problem is mainly. An example:
I don't have WiFi in my apartment, I just use mobile data on my phone to watch UA-cam and stuff like that. I bought a disc copy of Halo Infinite back in November, I found it weird that it was only a 13gb install but I waited anyway. Booted it up, and it's just the main menu. I couldn't get past the "Press start to continue" prompt, I was told I have to download the game, which I couldn't.
That's what people mean, there are countless examples of games that don't actually ship on the discs you purchase.
@@NeverKetamine I'm aware of the issues with Halo, especially on Xbox, where it seems to be a bigger problem compared to other platforms. It’s frustrating, and I suspect it will only get worse over time as discs become more obsolete. However, I don’t think we’re quite at that point yet, despite what some people claim. I believe companies that still release physical copies of games without needing major updates or downloads deserve more recognition.
For example, while I’m not a big fan of the Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West games, I was impressed with the recent Complete Edition. It came on two discs, including all the DLC and patches pre-installed. That’s something I appreciated, so I bought a copy. I think developers who make these efforts deserve credit, and I wish more people acknowledged it.
It wont happen but the gaming industry needs to hit the reset button. Its gotten way out of hand.
That's what VR is doing.
A new beginning.
Sony has started to release games on steam. Sony is trying to target pc gamers with this price point. The problem being. Pc is way more powerful at the same price point. If ps5 pro can play god of war ragnarok at 60 fps then pc can play it at double of 120 fps within the same budget. I seriously am questioning how did they think we pc players will switch to a console from pc. Infact steam has a big picture mode for console experience. Did Sony not do their homework ?
@@guerreroxrNo
@@guerreroxr NO! vr is 100% gimmick
maybe it will be a worth while thing in 20+ years.
why not?
it happened in the late 80s when the entire industry near collapsed.
So glad to hear someone saying this. As someone who only buys a few games that I play a lot, I already think pc is better than the normal ps5, because I don't have to pay a subscription just to play my games online. I will 100% be doing a living room PC build rather than buying another console.
Maybe I'm the odd one out but I'm still rocking my PS4 working through its massive library of games. Paying $700 for a new console that doesn't even have a disc drive is madness to me
Same here!
no, you aren't, same here
I would still recommend getting a ps5, lot more games now being ps5 only and it’s gonna increase, plus it is just a massive improvement. Fuck the ps5 pro tho
You are paying 700$ for a digital playstation 5 that does not even come with a stand so you can see some random character in more detail in the background in Racthet and clank.
700$ in US, 800€ in Europe which is extra expensive. For a console
without a bluray drive, and pedestal.
This is abused, a huge scandal
I prefer buying a new and more expensive PC than this.
The prices in north america don't include tax. That's for all products not just the ps5. Each state in the us and each province in Canada have their own tax rate.
Why is it €800 in Europe? The Euro is worth more than the dollar, we're getting ripped off even more
@@BigBossGR Yes, Europe includes tax, but it's weird, because the EU countries have wildly varying tax rates. Germany is way higher than Poland, for example. So I don't get why the US can't do this.
800 Euros is a bit step but not as much of a Price hike as we in the UK are getting... In the UK it will be £699... Sound Equal to the US where it will be $699 ... But £699 in US dollars is $912.61...
The fact they could have made this the launch PS5 is wild to me. Sony has changed dude and I'm no longer here for it.
Sony was ruined the moment they came to America and left Japan
I agree. The company went full woke, greedy and lazy.
Fully agreed. The US branch of Sony is one of the wokest corporations in the gaming industry. And they seem to wield great influence over the Japanese branch.
Ah yes, the defining characteristic of wokeness, scamming people.
"Woke" is truly one of the words with definitions of all time.
Paying 960$ cad to play ps4 games is wild 😂
Try $1300 w/ tax if you want a drive, stand and 1yr PS+.
You choosing to play ps4 games sound like personal problem
@Joppheimer There are about 3 games exclusive to ps5 bro
And replay 5 ps5 games
My son got a permanent ban from Playstation he was 11 at the time and lost over £2000 in digital games as he could not access his account, i have never purchased a Playstation since.
What did he do to 😂😂😂
Forgive me for I am not knowledgable in how these things work.
How did your 11 year old have 2000 dollars worth of games?
Ever occur to you to ask him why he got banned?
@@jonathanshepherd5515 they're lying that's how. It's a bot.
FYI, GBP£700 is USD$932. 800 Euro is USD$893.
0:37 Also, $699 is actually £536.21, does it cost £160 to bring each console separately into the UK?
I keep seeing this Xbox "tax"" going around as some way to indicate some unfair practices applied to a single entity. This tax we have is very real lol 799 euro.
No but there are different tariffs on import taxes in different countries concealed within the price. Plus, the UK specific VAT which is included before you get to the till/checkout which to be fair in total is not far off the £700 price tag. In the US however local/state taxes are added to the $700 at the checkout. Also, £80 for the disk drive is actually a bargain because of the current price of blue ray players and because of the money you will save buying pre-owned games. I agree though it's still overall too expensive for a refresh/minor upgrade without the disk drive and stand especially if you're going to buy a PS6 in 4/5 years.
We’ve really reached the bottom of console gaming when it’s cheaper to buy a GAMING PC rather than, this ridiculous PS5!!
A $ 600 DOLLAR GAMING P.C. YOU FUCKIN CRAZY.ENJOY HAVE A GREAT DAY.
It's always been cheaper. People don't factor in price of online subscription, game prices, or even the amount of free games on PC. Let alone the hundred other bonuses because... it's a PC, it can literally do anything and customize it however you want.
What 8k-capable PC can you build for $700?
@@iceman5117 ???????? the ps5 isnt fuckin' capable of 8k itself lmfao. that was false advertising because no games on the ps5 support it. the ps5 is a 4k console.
@@joogled1839 Exactly, this guy is falling for marketing. An 8k upscale is marketing and nothing more.
Sold my ps5 and bought a steam deck. Never looking back.
How do you like it? What's ur average fps on gamed? How's the battery?
@@rustyshackelford1039yeah I wanna know too might get rid of this dust collecting switch
1TB OLED is $650 and every review I've seen has said that Valve is massively underselling it. There's no competition with a much better battery than the original and a huge chunk of the Steam library available. I still play Elden Ring on my PS4 so this is an easy choice.
It is amazing. I have the oled version. It plays most games and you can buy a switch like stand to have that experience.
I recommend at least watching tech review for the steam deck to determine if it is powerful enough for the games you want to play.
Next generation for sure the ps6 is gonna be around 900-1k I have a feeling that all this is gonna do is push casual gamers to start thinking about getting a gaming PC instead in the future.
You should do a video on iPhone 16. That shit is a full scam. Apple thinks we dumb.
These companies need to stop making these consoles and start making actual playable games that don't have issues from the get go and forced online play.
Sonic X Shadow Generations is gonna be actually playable.
@@ThunderTheYellowJolteon That's actually really good to hear, at least something will be functional without multiple updates on its launch.
@@Swift292 It won't have forced online play, because there is no online play on the mainline Sonic games.
@@ThunderTheYellowJolteon Thank you, truly as I just checked out the game and after hearing that I'll definitely pick it up, cheer! 😁
@@Swift292 No problem.
Sonic games are pretty fun to play.
This whole gaming situation is _messy,_ isn't it? Games failing in spectacular fashion, hundreds of millions of dollars erupting into flames, thousands of people losing their jobs...
"But! Your play box needs an _upgrade!"_
... Whyyy?
"Because we said so!"
What exactly are you improving?
"Look at this puppet! His name is Greg! Isn't he cute? What's that, Greg? "Your playbox needs an upgrade!" See! Greg agrees with us!"
You're terrible at your job, Sony. Microsoft. Nintendo. _You're all terrible at your jobs!_
I’ve felt like modern gaming has been getting boring for a long time, but this is just the icing on the cake. What a waste of money.
Anyone remember when the 3do came out and it was like $500 or something and the sony ps1 announced right after at e3 and the ceo just said "$299" and walk off. I guess sony has a different mindset now
SONY HAS LOST ITS MIND! $300 for the VR2, $700 plus extra for a disc drive and a stand?? I could build a faster PC, get a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and still have enough for taco bell for all...😂
in Brazil is 7000 RS, you can buy a car with this much money
bro that’s insane i thought we had it bad in europe. tech is so cheap in the US it pisses me off honestly
@@jamsquan9415 tech princing in Brazil is a mess, they pretty much take the US price and add a zero in the end. Keep in mind that the average monthly sallary in Brazil is around 1.800 RS, so in this case the average brazilian will take 4 months to be able to buy the console.
And to add salt to the injury, a 70 US game in brazil is 350 RS, in orther words, 20% for your salary to buy ONE game.
@@guilhermeveloso1754 it's not even close to being that expensive here in pakistan bro but after customs and taxes, it srill costs thrice thr retail value in the US and for that kind of money here you can build a high end pc 💀🥲 Sony genuinely lost their minds with this one
No you can't but it is still an awful awful pricd.
18:01 THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY POINTING THIS OUT TO PEOPLE
I only want physical media. The terms and conditions are “I bought it, it’s fucking MINE 😡” and I appreciate that
I remember Sony "remaking" the PS3 into having less usb slots and blocking 3rd party operating systems.
They also removed backwards compatibility when the first Slim came out in ‘09
These revisions are always just a disguised attempt to combat piracy and maximize profits. When these consoles become old enough to be considered retro/nostalgic it's almost always the original model that's most desirable.
PS3 was so expensive it definitely hurt sales, only after those later models with features cut hit the market they were able to compete with Xbox 360 in terms of sale count. I hope PS5 Pro will also sell poorly so they will maybe learn and reduce prices too.
It's the frog in the pot scenario. It takes time to condition people into accepting a desired outcome. The end goal is for the government, not the corporations, to decide if you are able to play games or watch movies. If you are a good little Prole, they will let you keep your games. If you are a naughty Prole with a low social credit score, your media privileges get revoked. If the media in question does not adhere to the ideological standards of the government, it will get the Fahrenheit 451 treatment.
You will own nothing, and be happy, because Big Brother knows what is best for you.
You can always tell when you're reading comments on a tech focused UA-cam channel when people still go on about "Sony removed Linux from the PS3".
Oh no, that thing which 99% of PS3 owners never used or cared about, assuming they even knew what Linux was at the time, or that the option even existed. 🤷🏻♂️
In the mind of some, reasons for getting a PS3:
🐧 Boot Linux
🎮 Play games
💿 Watch a Blu-Ray
In the minds of 99% of PS3 owners:
🎮 Play games
💿 Watch Blu-Rays
🐧 Sorry, what's Linux?
Do you remember Detroid: Become Human? Where Connor was replaced by newer model with white suit. So basicly - PS4 = Old Connor. PS5 = New Connor
That was such a good game. I still need to play Heavy rain at some point.
"PAY HAS NO LIMITS"
-Sony
but our wallets have a limit, id rather have $700 in groceries
As a hardware admin, red flags went off when i heard Zen2
Why is that a problem?
2 things
1: Zen2 APUs, including the PS5 have 1/4 the cache per core of Zen2 CPUs.
2:Zen2 has 2 CCX of 4 cores for 4+4 cores with 4+4MB of cache. Zen3 and later use a single CCX for a unified 8 cores(and a unified 16MB of cache double that of Zen2, with up to 4x the usable cache at any given time to a single core)
Why is this important?
If the PS5 doesnt jump up to 24GB of RAM on a 384 bit bus, much of the bandwidth of that GDDR6 is going to be sucked up by the CPU because of how much more often it needs to go to RAM instead of cache.
Yes adding cache makes the die larger, consume more energy, and be more expensive.
Do you know what else cache does? Reduces total system power draw because the RAM needs to be used less, going to RAM is something like 4 orders of magnitude more energy required than staying within cache, and yes this includes on-package RAM like Lunar Lake(though probably just 2 orders of magnitude)
When the CPU needs to go to RAM, that RAM becomes unavailable to the GPU. This would probably be fine if it still had 40(36 usable) compute units, but its apparently going up to 60 compute units, thats the same as the RX 6800, and do you know what the RX 6800 has? A 256 bit bus dedicaded to the GPU instead of a 256 bit bus shared between CPU and GPU.
The CPU doesnt really need the bandwidth the GPU needs, however, when the CPU takes up clock cycles, its robbing that bandwidth no matter what.
7:57 graphic card strikes again...