I was a cop for thirty years. The heavy handed jackasses almost never got confessions or admissions (and were never disciplined). The detectives and cops that were conversational, that talked and listened to suspects, that got them coffee and something to eat, they were the ones that got solid confessions and admissions and closed cases
I never got why that tactic was ever considered useful. It's basic biological imperative (with a sprinkling of common sense): If you are being treated badly, you want to hold onto anything that makes you valuable otherwise you have no reason to believe you won't be treated _worse_. Since the torturer (and let's face it, what you're describing is nothing but a form of torture, albeit a minor kind) obviously wants information, you hold onto that information because it's the only thing keeping you from further suffering. Why would you ever, ever hand over your last bargaining chip?
Gretchen Hubbert Honestly, the psychological screening for the job I was on was a joke. You talk to a County psychiatrist for about ten minutes. He asks you a few questions. He checks your medical history. That’s it.
Ever noticed how internal affairs on cop shows are nearly always portrayed as either the most corrupt or incompetent busy bodies getting in the way of solving a case?
Pitch idea: "Internal Affairs" - a cop show from the perspective of a team of young, hot, upstanding Internal Affairs agents on a mission to bring dirty cops to justice in a corrupt system that's trying to shut them down at every turn.
Cop shows on American TV, especially the ones on CBS, pander to white conservative ideas of "justice". It's not surprising that they pander also to the idea that government is so corrupted that the good guys who use violence to achieve "justice" are always having to fight government to get it done. Most American cop shows are over-simplified patriotic garbage meant to wrap up problems with in the space of an hour.
@@Fathimir If you want something like that, watch 'Line of Duty' - it's British but it's really good and about this guy in Anti-Corruption who busts this bent cop. I haven't finished it but it really shows the extent of police corruption and how people hide it and how the police are protected.
That's because police view them as they bad guys. The issue there is less with the portrayal of IA and more with the realistic attitudes of the police being portrayed.
the DA is always viewed as the bad guys but in my defense they’re good most of the time and speaking of which don’t they work with cops? I mean the DA takes on cases handed out by the state and therefore represent the state in which here include the cops, right? the criminal usually has an attorney present and they fight against the DA or something like that, and the DA is on the police’s side since they convicted that man? I don’t know man, I’m confused
I enjoy watching cop shows, but it always annoyed me whenever they would break the rules, because the rules are there for a good reason. It annoyed me that it was framed as acceptable to violate people's rights in order to catch a criminal.
I’ve been saying this sort of things for decades - and I’m a Jew. The U.C. police were angry that I was photographing incidents of police violence during the demos at UCSB in 1971 & ’72, so they tried to entrap me in a gun buying scheme and, failing that, a drug deal, while ignoring apolitical drug dealers on campus. They arrested me 3 times on bogus charges, and the trial ended when the judge threw the case they went with out of court. Meanwhile, I was beaten and worse. Cops are lying scum, not interested in the law or the constitution, only in power and authority, or so my experiences taught me.
This isn't the first time I've heard this. Jewish people have been treated bad in American History... I wish that more would join the Black Lives Matter movement instead of hiding and aligning with white privilege.
Howard , you is an old man like me. That shit in Isla Vista still hurts on you. Up in Berkeley , the cops were always shooting at us. We learned from our Vietnamese mentors , the NLF (aka VC). STRIKE FIRST , run away , come back to fight another day.
"No excuses. No excuses at all. Once you had a good excuse, you opened the door to bad excuses." - Sam Vimes, Commander of the Guard on Terry Pratchett's "Thud!"
Part of the problem is that when the cops get taken to court and have to payout money it comes from the city's general fund. If it came out of the POLICE BUDGET or their PERSONAL income I bet that shit would stop real fast.
It's actually a war crime. Brutality that would have soldiers court-martialed if they do it in an actual war (torture is against Geneva conventions), is normalized as normal cop behavior by cops thanks to TV.
We had a kidnapping case like this. The life of a little girl was in the balance (or so the officer was lead to believe) and he used excessive force to get the information out of the kidnapper. Sadly the girl was already dead (killed days ago) and the kidnapper used it against the officer. Emotionally I could understand that officer so well. If the girl would have been alive somewhere and the kidnapper knew the location ... But we have laws for a reason.
In the defense of Chloe Decker, she wasn't a cop when she beat up that driver. She was an actress who was pretending to be a cop. She later became a cop and let the Devil Himself beat up bad guys.
I completely misunderstood this comment had to google it. and realized the whole thing was about a character in a tv show and not a person in real life. :)
Anyone else catch that the guy whose arm they broke was accused of PANHANDLING?! As in asking for money?! If this had been the ‘right’ guy it would be some homeless dude getting his arm broken for asking for spare change.
I was looking for someone who would also validate that observation. The fact that panhandling is a crime (an arrest-worthy crime?) at all is a disgrace. To see that they are treating people without secure housing or financial security like that is unacceptable. This is how they treat folks with substance abuse and mental illness as well. They are usually not able to advocate for themselves about their treatment.
I was gonna say the same thing. They do that too. I had a cop tell me once it was better they get their arrests on panhandlers than risk getting shot by gang members. And that they'd all kill each other anyway so why bother. Stfg.
One of the main problems is that the police perceive society in terms of "them" and "us" or, more specifically, "them" vs. "us". The police do not think in terms of "protecting and serving" the public, because the police perceive the members of the public as their adversaries.
They go after criminals and bad guys. They are called every day to dead bodies, rape victims, robbery victims, and all kinds of horrors. Its interesting all the cases in the news about cops involve a person doing a crime, and usually with a long criminal history.
Cops think they're "warriors." And if that were the case, that makes American citizens their enemy which goes against everything they're supposed to stand for. A true warrior puts his life on the line so others may live. All cops are worried about is "officer safety." They just want to "make it home alive" after their shift. If they were true warriors they would be more worried about citizens making it home alive after their shift, not themselves.
@@redbeardf7998 Then why are Middle Eastern countries low on crime, when they dont tolerate any anti-social behaviour? In the Middle East they jail feminists and LGBT activists, even atheists.People get executed for apostasy, blasphemy, even adultery. Same in Asia, most Asian countries execute drug dealers but they have low rates of violent crimes. If you go to countries like Vietnam or Philippines, you will see 10 year old girls selling lottery tickets on the streets, in safety. How do you think a 10 year old child would go selling lottery tickets in an African American majority city?
I appreciate the way you refer to George Floyd's situation as "murder" or "killing," not just "George Floyd's death." It wasn't simply a death, it was a murder, a negligent and cruel act, and an intentional lack of care for basic human needs to sustain life - need I say it - AIR! Breathing! Killing, murder, torture, indeed.
As a teenager through my mid 20's, I was the girl with a headlight out, or speeding a little, or with tags out of date, and I almost never got a ticket when I was pulled over, I would get a warning, and I used to think it was so funny when my male friends would get ticketed for the same thing. I was taught cops are the good guys, there to protect you. Then I was riding in a car with my Black husband down a very deserted street (at night) on our way home. We were told we were being pulled over because a light above my rear license plate was out. I didn't know there was a light there, it just wasn't something that had ever intruded on my life before. LET me tell you why some White people who are totally against racism didn't know about the shit cops were doing all the time. (There is no excuse, I'm not asking to be excused for not learning about there being one set of rules for Whites and, make it up as you go for everyone else.) I grew up in RURAL UTAH and got my diversity from Sesame Street. I had always dated whoever I wanted, so I was around what little diversity there was in Utah, but not IN THEIR LIVES. When I moved to the East coast, married, and spent a lot of time with my new family, I learned the difference between being open minded, or not being a racist, and being ANTI-RACIST. Actually seeing how people I loved were being treated so differently than I had experienced felt like a tectonic shift. This wasn't how I was told cops act. This wasn't how I, White Girl, was ever treated by police, even driving on an expired license, even driving with expired tags. This was a different planet than how I had been treated. When my man and I decided to get married, we made a choice. We chose not to see the casual racism toward OURSELVES because we thought if we did focus on it, that racism would be our focus everywhere we went and in everything we did and we didn't want to allow small minded people power to dictate our feelings or ruin our day. We ignored the "involuntary racism" rather than have it spoil our lives; like seeing how many nearly empty restaurants, in a row, would still seat us at the back of the dining room. The night we got pulled over wasn't something you could ignore, and I will NEVER forget. I couldn't believe how that cop was acting, asking what was in my drink, a Big Gulp from Sev (7/11), and if there were drugs in the car, and I was getting ready to lose my temper when my husband, keeping very still said very low, Do not say anything, do not do anything. Follow my lead and be quiet. I knew in that moment that I had been dancing around with my White Privileged head up my white Privileged ass, and my husband was afraid I might give a cop a reason to kill him for the crime of driving while Black with a White woman. What we went through that night wasn't even on the same PLANET as my frequent run-ins with cops willing to give a White girl a slap on the wrist and a wink. It still shames me and makes me sick that I ever thought it funny. We were made to wait for back up and they searched my car like we'd just crossed over from Columbia instead of Connecticut. The car was judged not road-worthy, and though we could see my house, less than a mile away, I was cited for the light and forced to pay to have it towed home. Money I didn't have. Neither of us had any warrants or even unpaid tickets. We were squeaky clean. This is not me saying, "I was married to a Black man for 10 years, and now I know what it's like to be Black. . ." HELL NO. HELL NO. I Don't Know SHIT. White people, Allies-- things aren't going to change if we don't desegregate. We need to be up in each others lives All The Time. We need to have friends that will invite us to dinner on the Reservation. We NEED friends that invite us to a Quinceañera or a Bar Mitzvah. We need to hangout on vacation together at the lake. Walk our kids to school together in the morning. We need to be there when this stuff happens, be ready not just to tape it, but we need to ask ourselves, am I willing to throw myself at a cop who has his knee on the back of a completely helpless Black man's throat, listening to that poor man begging for help while the cop just laughed at him? THAT is a HUGE question and we need to know our answer BEFORE we are faced with it. I Won't Stand By. I've thought it over and over and if I had been BLESSED with a child while I was married, he or she would be 18 now. I spent most of my marriage trying to get pregnant, despite my health problems -- most of which would likely not be passed on the my child. I thought about this intelligent, athletic, funny, Beauty that would have been our daughter, I thought about the sweet, smart, funny, handsome son that would tower over all 5'2" of me. I thought about how America would treat me, and then, I thought about how America would treat my Black daughter, or Black son, if ever I was so blessed. I thought about the talk White parents don't have to have with their kids. I thought about that a lot when I worried a cop would shoot my husband for reaching for his inhaler some night. I KNOW NOTHING of what it's like to be a Person of Color. I only know what it's like to love those that were and are my family, and I will take the consequences of shoving anyone with their knee on someone's neck. Make some new friends. Integrate. Decide. DECIDE NOW WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO PULL THE OPPRESSORS BOOT OFF A HELPLESS PERSON'S NECK.
You get a like. First time I ever heard a white person check all the boxes. I just posted a comment on this channel earlier addressing this stuff and you hit all the boxes. I’ve heard whites say pieces of that. I’ve heard whites pretend not to understand. I’ve seen whites confused, as they’d put it, about what Blacks are talking about. Again first time I ever heard a white person check and address all these boxes together. 1. There’s a difference between being open-minded & *ANTI-RACIST.* In the discussion about the issue of racism on all levels. Whites will try to argue with Uss as that they aren’t racist or whatever nonsense it is that folks are willing to sit and listen to. They’ll often repeat “I don’t care” in context to what color, religion or culture other people belong to. As if that makes them our ally or makes them correct in the current discussion. It does NOT. On that same topic, AAs are ANTI-RACIST. That means we perceive and approach racism with the mindset to eradicate it. Usually always. Racism is a bug that needs to be exterminated and there’s no moving words with it or seeing it half way. There’s no compromise with it. That’s the mindset AAs have towards racism. That’s what these “I’m not racist but I’m always arguing against Black people for some reason” whites need to comprehend. 2. Your acknowledgment of your own white privilege and how we, Black & White, live in two different worlds when it comes to how society works for us. No need to go further on this you addressed it greatly. That same white privilege is what keeps white people committing the mistakes I mentioned in #1. 3. What whites need to do. This was what I said I addressed earlier in another video on this channel. Essential I said I get tired of Black people trying to take up for whites just because they see them “listening to rap”. And then wanna claim them, praise them, and uplift them. And “listening to rap” was a metaphor- it’s a saying in Black (Afro-American) culture. So don’t get your white heads confused over it. Anyways, I said words are meaningless, along with silly petty moments. The only white allies I have are the ones willing to RISK their jobs/businesses and lives for us. And even then, after they do that- they don’t get pushed to the forefront of our movements. They get their ass in the back of the line because we have been fighting this oppression centuries and there’s a long line of us ahead of them. All in all you hit ALL THREE points on the head. You said everything I ever wanted to hear a white person say, that would convince me to give them my trust. Kudos to you.
As a non-American, I wondered aloud once why there are so many right-wing Star Trek fans in the USA, despite it obviously being a show based in social justice and equality. It was explained to me that conservatives saw it from a totally different angle- Kirk and co were rebels, always breaking the rules of Starfleet to win the day, like John Wayne in a cowboy movie. I think that's the same reasoning behind these cop shows, they show the individual being the hero and sticking it to "The Man", which is the dream of many middle-class (white) Americans who dream of being rich and powerful and being The Hero. Not coincidentally, the target audience of conmen like Trump who'll sell you the moon if you just donate today...
Except that's even a misremembering of it. I was watching the series a few years back for the first time and Kirk was actually pretty by the book for the most part. There was his thing with the ladies from different planets and lots of punching and shoot out battles which, along with the exploration elements gave it a feel that was similar to a western. I remember that occasionally Spock would bring up a minor regulation that Kirk would find a rule that let him circumvent it based on the particular circumstances. But generally, he always had a good legal or rules based justification in addition to being morally justified. I remember there was an entire episode around whether he disobeyed protocol during a routine activity and hit a button in the wrong order resulting in a man's death. There was an investigation and everything.
That's the thing about the American Right and individualism. They are totally okay with things like having kids mindlessly chant loyalty oaths to a piece of red, white and blue cloth, but try to get them to follow any sort practical rule with reasons of public good and safety behind it and they will act as if King George has risen from the dead to claim the right of Prima Nocta.
@@LC-sc3en But even in that episode kirk was framed. He followed the correct protocol, but the record was tampered with to ruin kirk's career. he was a by the book captain unless lives depended on it. watch the episode balance of terror again. when kirk violated the rules and followed the other ship into the neutral zone (DMZ). he informed his superiors before doing so. Thanks for indulging an old star trek nerd. Cheers
Yes entertainment is supposed to grab you like that I hope people don’t start letting them regulate us it’s not supposed to be reality reality is bullshit and boring
@@jerko4910 The bullshit of reality is solely the responsibility of people in power stomping down on other people's rights. The boredom of reality is solely the responsibility of the person (not) living it.
Not going to lie, I didn't really think much about this while watching shows and I do feel there are shows that talk about police breaking the rules, but I do know I will never watch a show about police the same way. Thank you for expanding my perspective, Trevor.
Brooklyn 99 is the only one I've seen where there are constant showings of bad cops . Except of course all the things the main character should've been fired for
I love law and order SVU it's a great cop show I talked to one of the cops in My town in arcadia Florida he told me what they do we can't do in real life because real cops don't do that
It also bears mentioning that television is all about entertainment, and that we have been culturally indoctrinated to believe that cops going rogue is entertaining. It’s not. British cop shows feature almost no police brutality whatsoever, and yet they’re arguably more compelling than 90% of cop shows that are US based. The characters on British cop shows also take the rules more seriously and more often than not when a cop goes off the handle the writers make a point to have that come back to ruin their cases.
Absolutely all about entertainment! Thats why Trevor Noah lies to his audience constantly and manipulates events for his viewers, cuz he's not interested in showing people whats actually true... he just wants to entertain you while reinforcing and deepening false narratives about events.
It's not indoctrination. It's because these cop procedurals are extremely formulaic, cookie-cutter serials easy to produce with a guaranteed stable audience. They remain that way, because like everything else in entertainment, corporations hate risk and too many people are happy sticking with the banality they know. All of this to say, is crime shows and movies have not changed since a time in the 80s/90s when crime was higher, and criminals were viewed as the primary risk to your well-being, not the law enforcement. The topics on tv reflected popular attitudes and beliefs, and they just haven't changed since then, even though crime became a much smaller issue and over-policing is the bigger threat today.
Never liked US police shows or movies, much prefer Nordic ones. Slow and moody, with loads of tired people sitting at a desk doing a lot paper work and drinking black coffee.
@@blacktee31 It's a region in Northern Europe also includes Greenland, Faroe Islands and Svalbard, many confuse it with Scandinavia. Scandinavia in it's narrowest refers to the Scandinavian peninsula which consists of Norway and Sweden. Iceland and Denmark are related to these two countries so they are often described as Scandinavian as well. The languages in these four countries are all related, and they have cultural similarities, sharing many traditions. The word Nordic comes from the Scandinavian languages, in all of them it means The North. The main reason for the term Nordic countries is Finland. It is next to Scandinavia, but is quite different. The Finns are related to the Sami people who are native to Northern Europe. Genetically they aren't related to the Scandinavians who are descendants of Vikings. The Finnish language is completely different to Scandinavian languages (Scandinavians share grammar, root words, and can understand bits and pieces of each other). The climate is different in Finland (the effect of Golf stream isn't as strong) making the vegetation different, and even the bed rock is different. on top of that there are differences in traditions (the old religions were different) and in culture. The Nordic countries have agreements, and do a lot business together, so a term that includes all, makes sense. The Nordic countries have also formed a council, the Nordic Council, which the Nordic countries use to make agreements with other countries (they are able to get better deals by working together). Finns do not like to be called Scandinavian, because of history between Finland and Sweden. Finland used to belong to Sweden, and Sweden tried to erase Finnish culture. It brought Christianity to Finland, outlawed the old religion, forbade the education of Finnish language, the celebration of many holidays and many traditions, and basically the only people who were allowed to vote, were the Swedes living in Finland, who owned most of the wealth. But Finnish culture survived, and began to thrive after Finland was given to Russia, and subsequently granted autonomy. The Scandinavian countries long viewed The Sami and Finns as inferior, and as recently as 1970 in Norway and Sweden, Sami women were forcibly sterilized in order to erase the Sami, and till 1990s both had governmental departments whose only purpose was to come up with ways to eradicate the Sami. So Finland and the Sami are not Scandinavian, they have never wanted to be, and the Scandinavians have never viewed them as such.
Brooklyn 9-9 had the first couple episodes of their next season written but the writers and producers have completely scraped them and are re-writing them with the current circumstances in mind
@@Svengali764 It's less of a cop drama than a cop comedy. I kept thinking about the long night interrogation where Jake didn't use violence but rather got the dentist to admit to his crimes by playing on how the dentist wanted to feel smarter than him.
Zwenk Wiel You clearly missed the point. There shouldn’t be a “bad cop” image at all. You’re making an excuse for misconduct to continue instead of confronting it and wanting change.
I think you're misunderstanding the tactic a bit, it doesn't actually have anything to do with cops and existed before formal police did. It got its name because in modern times, interrogations are most frequently conducted by police. Good cop/bad cop doesn't mean the "bad" one starts breaking rules or hitting people or anything like that, the strategy is that the "bad" one has a bad attitude; not as forgiving or understanding, impatient, might suggest just giving up on listening and just throwing them in jail if they don't cooperate. The good cop in contrast takes all the time in the world to listen to you, offers you refreshments, shows sympathy to your situation and tells the "bad" one to back off a bit; that way you naturally gravitate towards the good cop (or the more agreeable person who shows you understanding) and are more likely to divulge information to them.
@@kaind.badguy Good gop/bad cop is more of a tactic than it is a fact. Like...the guy that plays good cop doesnt mean he has a stellar record, is a youth pastor, feeds the homeless or whatever. And the bad cop doesnt mean hes some sort of thug barely on the right side of the law that always has to have other cops turn a blind eye. It's just an exercise in intimidation. It isnt about race or gender. So idk...I politely disagree with your assessment of the phrase "good cop/bad cop" and think you're also missing the point and stretching to fit YOUR narrative. What law are they breaking if the person is already in police custody? Maybe they broke the law by getting him there, but the good cop/bad cop is just a tactic. And before you @me. No, I'm not in favor of police and think everything going on today is more heartbreaking than anything. Because it's clearly a time that is boiling over due to anger. Due to white people hating people of color wanting equality and somehow saying racism isnt rampant in America. And people of color being fed up with a system that condemns you from birth if you're simply not the right shade of color. But to try to relate the expression good cop/bad cop in the way that you are...seems a little silly.
The police, DA's and judges are more addicted to their phemominal, almost unanimous, conviction rates than the worst drug addicts on the streets in this day and age. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times... *ALL COPS ARE BAD!!!* For the last 4 decades or at least for as long as I can remember anyway every single cop who throws a person in jail is guilty of coercion and human rights violations and even torture to attain their goal of maintaining unprecedented and inflated conviction rates so they qualify for federal grants and assistance. A jail these days is nothing more than a sensory deprivation chamber and keeping folks in lockdown under the presumption of innocence is tantamount to torture. They will only feed you a 2k calorie diet and I guess that's cool if you like green baloney sandwiches. Windows are blocked, stained or too high to see out of. Lights are left on 24/7. There is no peace, not even in the middle of the night. Everything you see, hear or touch is geared toward getting a conviction out of you wether you're guilty or not. Conditions are so rotten most people will take a plea deal offered by overzealous DA's just to get out of an abominable situation and "buy" back some semblance of the life they led beforehand. *ALL COPS ARE BAD!!!* If you think the justice system isn't just a ATM for the government to bilk money from the public at large you're a goddamn fool. The most rational and reasonable cops out there are rotten to the core.
"You want me on that wall...you need me on that wall!" - The self-righteous, fear-mongering justification of every cop with too much ego and power and not enough accountability.
@@rickyray2794 Wrong again. In the US, only people in the Army are Soldiers. Your inconsistency is amusing. You criticized @spectreskeptic3493 for quoting a movie about Marines in the comment section of a video about cop shows. But you don't use the proper terminology for service members. If you're going to be pedantic, at least try to follow your own rules.
We all get influenced by media whether we like it or not. Also if you don't have a bad police interaction you're more likely to believe what you've been told and shown. Ppl are waking up now tho.
It’s not entirely implausible: a long time ago when I worked as a prosecutor I took my nephew on a follow-me-to-work week and he was clearly disappointed by the end that it wasn’t as ‘exciting’ as it looked on tv - he probably thought I get a serial killer convicted on a weekly basis! Granted he was only in his mid teens, but still... 😑
Chicago PD is realistic because they tell the dirt about dirty cops. Voight went to jail for trying to kill Casey and he killed his son murder, Antonio was a drug addict, Erin helped covered-up Voight killing someone, Upton got a known drug dealer murdered, Roman killed his sister's murder, and the list goes on. Heck, the Spring 2020 season finale touched on police brutality, breaking the good ole' boys blue line, and showed them coming after Atwater for telling the truth.
Indeed, there was only one character whom I sorta liked: the drug addict girl who turned her life around and wanted to become a cop who was murdered by a serial killer in one of the crossover episodes. Everybody else were shit, although Voight was an interesting character for awhile.
@@barbarajoseph-adam8337 I loved Nadia. I was so mad when they killed her off. I wanted to see Nadia go to the police academy and try to be a cop. I loved the episode when she shadowed Burgess and her partner and followed the bad guys pretending that she was an officer. I also loved Nadia and Trudy's relationship. Nadia took no crap and Trudy loved her for it.
It’s not just cop shows, most shows about lawyers are about lawyers bending the law. (Suits, How to get away with murder) Most medical dramas are about doctors not following protocol and making their own rules. (House MD, Greys Anatomy)
but i think in the lawyer and doctor shows there are always voices of reasons and - to some extent - ramifications for their actions. it's always acknowledged that they are bending rules, in cop shows they make it seem like this is how it is MEANT to work
@@anchi1816 First of all: There are Medical Dramas where someone is breaking the rules and it doesn't turn out good. Same with some Cop shows, where they break the law and it is discussed inside the team that you can't behave like this because it's illegal... And that's the point I guess: You should not show something like this, without putting it into context, without having people questioning it, without showing, that they are wrong by doing so, without showing consequences for this kind of action. Besides that - as a European it's always interesting to see, how many guns are fired up in an episode. Compared to most European shows Cops in US shows are firing up more guns in the first five minutes than in an whole episode of an European cop show...
Just heard about a man shooting up his home, had a standoff with the police, acted belligerent over losing an arm wrestling match with his son. He was "peacefully" detained. Yet I see comments justifying unarmed people being murdered in their sleep and asking for directions. There is no point in reasoning. The only conclusion is that our world and society doesn't function off of reasoning. It functions off emotion.
Well, there's the militarization of police, they're literally going around in military gear, And now many cops adopted the "Punisher" symbol that was a fashion started by US soldiers (Frank Castle being a war veteran).
You just summarize what I feel watching those Cop shows. Also, how after the suspect ask for a lawyer, they are immediately treated as having committed the crime.
It's interesting those cops that broke the mans arm find their actions a proportional response for "panhandling". How does the "land of the free" explain judge/jury/executioner behavior with regular death sentences being passed down as a free country?
Makes me so mad when cops tell people to “calm down” when they are being hurt. It’s like my family beating me then telling me that they will give me something to cry about.
Cops are skilled in gaslighting people. They'll get up in your face, super aggressive, then say you need to back up for "officer safety", as if their safety is more important than yours.
Relax! Relax! You seem nervous; why are you nervous? Keep your hands where I can see them! Why are you sweating? You’re acting suspiciously. Why were you running? Where are you coming from? Where are you going?
Jasmine V, its like calm down, I just want to hurt you, no big deal. That's why I dont say anything back and since Trevor is using his voice I feel more save and at ease somehow.
Forget the warrants and the rules, because what the people really want is for the wicked to get off on a technicality, and for innocent people to confess to crimes they did not do. That is so cool!
no one who watches Chicago pd and not think the cops on that show aren't shady as hell I'm always like exactly what Trevor says there Lawyer would have got them off in a second
I'm a white woman who have always considered myself "woke". I never, ever thought about this, and definitely never made the connections to how it may affect POC. That's true privilege, I know. I'll try harder to be a better ally. "It's not about what the world holds for you. It's what you bring to it."
Just as long as you take your own personal guilt you feel and not dump it on other people, some people are just decent anyway and don't need wokeness to make them a good person, never place white guilt on others
@@Zatvornik Ah, yes. Surrender without resistance, when they'll just say that you resisted, falsify the police report, and probably get a commendation. And while the case is happening, their cop buddies will be driving past you house at all times of the day and night, harrassing you and your family members, sharing details of your vehicles to stop you for...reasons...randomly. Lots of implied threats. Yes, just sue, why cry?
Затворник Шестипалый Public defenders get innocent people jail time because they can’t afford bail, court costs, or a real defense. Probably not a great band aid.
I was an MP in the Marines and it shocks me how policing in the civilian sector, is more militaristic than it was for me as an actual military policeman. We were taught that we were protecting our brother and sister Marines and their families. We had a "police your neighbor" approach whereas civilian police are trained with an "us against them" mentality, and have been given ordinance and taught tactics used by actual occupying forces. There is a laundry list of things we need to do as Americans that perhaps starts with a hard look at the hearts and integrity of all our elected officials rather than their political lean. Accompanied by immediate changes to policing through De-funding, restructuring, and reallocation of resources and responsibilities. In large part because our police are asked to do things, they are neither trained for or equipped to do, but primarily so they can focus on changing the culture of there order and the permanent removal of those officers who cannot adjust.
This is the most intelligent, honest comment I’ve seen in a long time. Yes, they encourage us vs.them mentality and wonder why these conflicts exist. A dangerous situation for all. Thanx for your comment and service.
I know federal agents who say cops aren’t trained as well as they are. They get regular trainings. That why you never hear of them in issues with the public (other than getting prostitutes lol). It’s definitely a broken system if other law enforcements see the issues.
Its less about training and more about individual attitude Some people think Police officers are suppsed to be cowboys Same goes with militaty , most people thing being a soldier is like being a Rambo or a Super hero 🤷
4:29 That episode of Lucifer is actually a "what if". As in, What if her father didn't get shot. It's on Netflix. And Chicago PD is a realistic take on dirty cops. Voigt is the best dirty cop character.
Most popular sitcoms in America don’t have ppl of color in any major roles. Friends, Seinfeld, How I met your mother etc.. When you grow up and stop watching them with rose colored glasses you see how television tries to present a one race version of America🤔
@@robertnope1993 It'd be hard for them to shoot people in the back with just a ballpoint. But I absolutely support more training, defunding departments, and taking away their guns _and_ their pens until they prove they're worthy of either.
Why does panhandling justify violent force anyway? A friend of mine told me once "any crime that can get you arrested can get you killed." Maybe stop sending cops to handle non-violent situations.
I think they will start doing that. then they'll stop it when a non violent situation turns violent, and social worker dies. it is not even an "if", it is a "when" either way, it is not easy. body cams ALWAYS ON could help a lot, though
@@istvansipos9940 understand your point, but you wouldn't send a police officer to fight a fire... no, you send a fire fighter because that's what they're trained for n the police are not. Same goes for other scenarios in which police are called to act on situations they simply know nothing about. Like sending a chef to take care of a laundry mess... dude gonna put all your clothes in a boiling pot because that's just what he knows
...And can we talk about Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight"(2008), where the police allowed a masked vigilante(Batman) to "aggressively interrogate" a suspected criminal(The Joker) in their own facility, unsupervised. -AND the other cop who went in to beat him up for revenge.lol Great movie but amazingly proves your point. Great share, Thanks!
I am Italian and i love "profiling" french series, and "the shetland" a scottish series" and other cops shows made in Europe. And i was saying It to my mum "look, in a european cop show Is not normal to see cops using guns or violence. They are mental. "Barbany" Is english and without guns or so Little. Italian tv shows too. Look "commissario Montalbano". American shows are so so violent. I love Chicago PD and Blue bloods, but when I Watch them I clearly know that I'm whatching something Is not real in my everyday Life. Because cops are not so violents here in Europe. This Is sad. I am realizing that in Europe we don't need to feel the violence in a cop show for feel the beauty of the show. America really have to change his Heart. Good luck my friend P.d. Sorry for my english. I learn It at School but I don't use it in my everyday Life. So Is hard to Remember. I am Italian, Is italian my firt language. Or I can speak french and spanish very very weel because we have similar languages. I'm saying this for ones Who traet me bad for the way i write. I know i am not good, but this Is not a good reason to try to make me feel bad about that. Thanks
I agree, non-American shows are usually careful to show cops as realistically as possible and they show the emotional stakes of crime. The BBC show Broadchurch is a great example of how violence committed by cops has severe repercussions. And The Fall, too. Mainstream American shows rarely make cops the bad guys or even show cops as people who make serious mistakes-people who ARE infallible. EDIT: I'm not saying police in Europe aren't violent! I'm saying the tv shows produced in countries such as the UK, for example, hold cops to a higher standard and avoid portraying violence as an appropriate and necessary means to attain justice. Police brutality is not accepted as normal in those countries as evident by the Europeans replying to me saying cops in their country are indeed violent.
You are right about cop tv shows in europe.But also europe people has a tottally different mind them american,they are more educated and more inteligent in making their tv shows.i dont actually watch those americans police drama tv shows because of the violence,the only american police tv show i watch is Brooklyn 99 because this is a fun show to watch,well written and with good actors.this show actually made me change my opinion about polices but not in american more here in europe
Grammar, however, was not a high priority. 😏 Edit: **This comment was directed at the comment directly above it, NOT the original comment, geniuses.** smh 😒
We need to reconsider how these settlements are paid out: If these individual officers had their pensions and wages garnished as part of the settlements....
I wish I had the time and space to outline three major experiences I have had with my local police department. Let me just stick to the night my mother overdosed on cocaine and heroin. I was a minor. Detectives questioned me and my even younger brother for over 6 hours without contacting CPS (Child Protective Services). They held me under suspicion, read the Miranda rights and pretty much left me traumatized. I got over parts of this experience. I never got over the idea that I would kill my own mother with a needle and a hot load of drugs. I was at school when she did this. What gives? Oh, I forgot, I'm a Black male. Even when you're in the fifth grade you are capable of murdering people you love when you're a Black male.
I did like how they did make 1 show, I never watched it but it was about investigating people on Deathrow to see if they are innocent or not. Which is great because a lot of people in jail are there because their confessions were coerced and their public defender was tired.
Internal affairs should always be the good guys! but just like the rest of the US system, the oversight of the police is part of what they are overseeing & therefore bias to the outcome -.- PS: the J.A.G. series was pretty much that, just following the military law instead police one!
Yes, decades of "Law and order" the tv-show shaped the way people see the police not only in the US but internationally! now the question is "how to undo years and years of fiction in people's mind?"
@@DiegoHernandez-zw5cg actually, from what I hear comedies like Brooklyn 99 are oftentimes more realistic than popular cop shows like Third Watch or NYPD Blue. The same goes for Scrubs (a comedy) versus Grey's Anatomy with respect to the medical profession. I don't think the realism is in how Peralta catches his criminals, but more so in the way the precinct entertains itself to escape the more mundane parts of their jobs and just how ridiculously crazy and random life can be even when working in a field as serious as law enforcement.
I just talked about this with my husband while he was watching a police show. A lot of toxic masculinity glorified as well. Glad I not the only one who feels this way.
I had a roommate about a decade ago who was fond of watching the various permutations of CSI and Law & Order; after each of his marathoning session I’d put on Hot Fuzz to cleanse the telly. 😁
I never liked cop shows. Not because of the violence, or how bullshit corny all of them are. I just don't like cops. Been in deep shit plenty of times and it was my community and other common folk that helped me out. Cops usually brush people off as some kid of burden or nuisance at the least and as a threat at the worst. I aint never had to look on the television to see asshole cops ignore the rights of others.
I agree the hard part is discussing it in a way that doesn’t make people feel defensive for some reason people have a knee jerk reaction to want to defend these bone heads
Something that always made me laugh about Law and Order was that it said the episode was fictional and any resemblance to actual events was coincidental, when half the stories on there were clearly ripped straight from high profile cases from around the western world, mainly from the US itself.
That's why the best cop show ever was Columbo : - never use violence - never break the law - arrest the rich and powerful, not the poor and disenfranchised But he si not perfect, as he often breaks boiled eggs in places he should not.
Why would you suggest that rich and powerful people deserve to be arrested more that poor and disenfranchised people? Nobody owes you anything. Get over yourself.
Yugetube : The writer of the comment did not say the rich deserve to be arrested more than anyone else. It is not suggested either. If you watched the TV show Colombo you would realize it was a different kind of cop show. I will not try to explain it here, but the show was not political. It was quite entertaining to watch Columbo catch the killers using feigned confusion and logic. I cannot think of one cop show that emulates the tools of Columbo. All we see now is brutality whether rich or poor, but way too often the villain is not from the upper 1%.
They portrayed public defenders as shady, who never defend anyone who’s actually innocent. B99 isn’t an exception to this portrayal. If anything, instead of showing them as tough, it’s showing that they’re all great, friendly/quirky, and never do anything wrong. It’s the same issue in a different direction. You can love something and still criticize it after seeing it’s flaws.
Michael Weston from burn notice once said that "Violence and intimidation are the worst forms of interrogation, because people will say whatever you want just to make it end"
I used to love Chicago PD. Now I rewatched it and to see all the excessive use of force on suspects to get a confession, how internal affairs is always portrayed as the bad guys and how colleagues covered up the murder of another cop on the show who was suspended (but still showed up on the crime scene) when he killed a suspect.
I always find it funny how on cop shows they make it seem as if only “criminals” ask for lawyers & not talk to cops. Becuz it’s a scripted series, they don’t show 9 hour interrogation were the person is forced into false confession.
I won't hesitate to lawyer up, guilty or innocent, if they ever haul me in. I'm a white cis male in Trump's america, and even I"M scared of the cops. I can only imagine how black folks feel.
Or 30+ hrs of no food, being interrogated and coerced into dictating a false statement like the Exonerated Five (previously the Central Park Five) were. They spent 6-13 years in prison for a crime they did not commit.
Chicago PD and Hawaii Five-0 has done that a LOT. They basically ignore the suspect's request for a lawyer because they're either so sure they're guilty, or because they don't want the lawyer getting in the way. Cops in shows always hate lawyers, when in real life they don't really have that bad a working relationship. The lawyer isn't just to block cops. They're to motivate the cop to ensure they have evidence to back up their questioning - in a way, it helps the police build a more solid case for a fair trial.
Saw that video. The cop whose camera footage we see is questioning the guy. Guy says repeatedly what he has been doing. Right before the second cop comes and throws him on the ground, guy is saying to body camera cop to call his sister to prove his story is true. Guy has no warning AT all before second cop grabs his arm to handcuff him and throws him to the ground. None. No put your hands behind your back. Nothing.
And what would have happened if he complied with the lawful orders from the police? nothing. So you say you are being treated poorly by the police huh. Have you tried not breaking the law to see if that helps?
That’s why I really love “All Rise”. Watch that series about the injustices in the justice system. This series needs more attention and I am happy that they got a second season green lit a few weeks ago.
Sina McMillan Is it the one starring Simone Missick? Is it really good? Rating on IMDB not very high - slightly above average (although, yes, not always a reliable indicator). I’m looking for the next crime series to watch (just about finished watching Bosch - masterful, fantastic etc. etc.) and am trying to avoid seeing Season 4 of The Man in the High Castle. 😩
And of course, because it doesn’t fit the Broadcast Network formula (particularly a network whose audience SKUs older, white and conservative,) court was adjourned on that show after the second season.
Hi Trevor. Thanks! This subject is so topical & timely here in India too. A father and son duo were tortured & murdered by police for the apparent reason that they had opened their mobile phones store after curfew time! It's a George Floyd moment here and could you please help talk about it on your show? Thanks
Before I left Florida for Amsterdam I gave up on the expensive cable bills in part because it was endless cop shows. The US is a police state where the people are crushed under the knee of the state but kept complacent with some shiny things. So glad I left before they eased the gun laws, now you see people open carrying in stores etc... No thank you.
When a society gets their education from TV and the internet, and has police departments manned by rejects from the High School Janitors guild for sheer stupidity and nastiness, that is what you get.
the difference between cops and janitors is that one is a respectable and noble position, essential in the daily upkeep of society; the other is the police
lol his joke about medical shows never showing doctors slapping their patient's around to find out what's wrong with them when their lab work is normal-clearly he hasn't seen House!
maybe he should have obeyed the police's lawful request then what would have happened? nothing as they would have released him unharmed once they knew it wasnt him. The problem is resisting arrest is reason for the arresting officers to escalate the situation.
@@pieroocchooa5837 Most people do not want the hassle of dealing with police. This normally results in the some officers getting frustrated; however, most officers are understanding of that and no incident occurs. The problem is the impatient jerks who escalate the situation for the most minor of actions. I'm sorry, but any cop who thinks violence against a non-violent suspect is acceptable is trash and should be fired immidately.
@@pieroocchooa5837 no the problem is the police can justify LITERALLY ANYTHING for resisting arrest. Even asking questions because the person in question does not understand the process SINCE THE ODDS ARE THEY HAVEN'T EVER INTERACTED WITH THE POLICE! How are you suppose to obey the law when you don't know the specifics of the law and the person who does can make up shit to incriminate you at will? Then they can easily justify force to keep you compliant. Think before you talk shit.
Did House also assault perfectly healthy people because he misidentified them as his patient? Also, does he force them to spend the next 30 years of their lives in a locked room with a violently unstable mental patient?
Doesn't suit Trevor Noah's agenda, don't you know how this works?!! That's like pointing out that unarmed black people are shot at the same rate as white people by the police. Doesn't suit CNN and Don Lemon's narrative.
@@trave7251 Black people are just humans born with dark skin. The police are professional organizations of selected individuals, paid with your tax dollars to uphold the law and supposedly well trained to do so. If any other govt agency was full of violent lying murderers walking freely on your dime, would you defend them?
@@CanadianLoveKnot That study was debunked[1]. Police are 3.5x as likely to shoot unarmed black Americans as unarmed white Americans[2]. [1] www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/08/study-claims-white-police-no-more-likely-shoot-minorities-draws-fire [2] journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854
I hate to used the word underrated, but The Shield definitely is. Great show and the long-game story arcs (very topical ones, nowadays) beat Breaking Bad or The Sopranos.
"Accused of panhandling" sued for 700,000 dollars lol. Looks like he wont have to panhandle anymore. Police out here solving poverty one case at a time.
It was quite a while ago, when I watched 24 (and maybe not all seasons), but as I remember it, the police violence was recognized as such and it had consequences. To me it seems much more problematic when the good guys, portrayed with a clean slate, use torture. There were some examples in this video.
"The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing. We need it to get information, to assert ourselves..... Torture's for the torturer or for the guy giving orders to the torturer. You torture for the good times - we should all admit that. It's useless as a means of getting information." - Trevor Philips
I think you should totally listen a fictional career criminal. Torture in general is immoral but I'm not convinced it's "useless" for getting info. That one CIA lady said it doesnt work but that one former GRU and Spetznaz says it does. So....
@@karlzipp181 McCain must have enjoyed it since he was so cavalier on supporting our government torturing , or enhanced interrogation tactics if you want to use watered down language.
@@rosemarymartinez6709 They don't feel nothing. You can see the aggression and testosterone expressed in their body language. They feel like they're "taking down the bad guy." It also explains why they look so flummoxed when they realize they have the wrong guy. We need cops who see themselves as servants of the public; these guys clearly think they are soldiers.
No, by the people in power making money off the brainwashed frightened hurt military... they don’t get much for destroying and mass murdering and putting through hell and many have little money or are in even worse financial difficulty or homeless, and that’s if there’s no medical issues or injuries, because they don’t care about the military, they just recruit people who don’t know any better to do their dirty work for them so they can benefit off it all...
Herta Schneider no, it’s literally ex military telling directors what is real and what is not do your research smfh america is the shit hole of a country and people feed right into its propaganda machine
"21% of US Residents... had experienced some contact with police" How many in that percentage were minorities? Because I know I had SEVERAL experiences with the police before the age of 14, and I was a nerd.
@@jhonshephard921 the typical Hollywood perception of nerds is so outdated. And the definition of it so lost today. Nerds can be attractive and most nerds these days are wearing streetwear, listening to trap, and trying to act cool.
My family and I are part of that 21%, and we're white middle class. So, yeah, in these drama cop shows, they fail to address how FUCKING PETTY they can get as well when a citizen questions their authoritah 🙄
Yeah, that statistic can't be true. I've been pulled over thirty times. But then I work second shift and am on the road during witching hour just when bored cops are looking for action.
Unfortunately, here in Tamilnadu, India, 2 people recently died due to police brutality. Looks like the roots of (bad) policing are down to the earth's core and will take a very long time to uproot it.
Yesterday in Kenya, the police beat up a disabled cobbler to death for breaking curfew while he was pleading with them as they beat up another colleague for not wearing a mask.
I was a cop for thirty years. The heavy handed jackasses almost never got confessions or admissions (and were never disciplined). The detectives and cops that were conversational, that talked and listened to suspects, that got them coffee and something to eat, they were the ones that got solid confessions and admissions and closed cases
Thank you for your service!
I never got why that tactic was ever considered useful. It's basic biological imperative (with a sprinkling of common sense): If you are being treated badly, you want to hold onto anything that makes you valuable otherwise you have no reason to believe you won't be treated _worse_. Since the torturer (and let's face it, what you're describing is nothing but a form of torture, albeit a minor kind) obviously wants information, you hold onto that information because it's the only thing keeping you from further suffering. Why would you ever, ever hand over your last bargaining chip?
Daniel Gehring perfect analysis of the situation
Gretchen Hubbert Honestly, the psychological screening for the job I was on was a joke. You talk to a County psychiatrist for about ten minutes. He asks you a few questions. He checks your medical history. That’s it.
dsa asd good to see you in the suspects chair one day then
Ever noticed how internal affairs on cop shows are nearly always portrayed as either the most corrupt or incompetent busy bodies getting in the way of solving a case?
This is so true... the people there to make sure every thing is above board were somehow the bad guys
Pitch idea: "Internal Affairs" - a cop show from the perspective of a team of young, hot, upstanding Internal Affairs agents on a mission to bring dirty cops to justice in a corrupt system that's trying to shut them down at every turn.
Cop shows on American TV, especially the ones on CBS, pander to white conservative ideas of "justice". It's not surprising that they pander also to the idea that government is so corrupted that the good guys who use violence to achieve "justice" are always having to fight government to get it done.
Most American cop shows are over-simplified patriotic garbage meant to wrap up problems with in the space of an hour.
@@Fathimir If you want something like that, watch 'Line of Duty' - it's British but it's really good and about this guy in Anti-Corruption who busts this bent cop. I haven't finished it but it really shows the extent of police corruption and how people hide it and how the police are protected.
it's as if those cop shows were written as propaganda! oh wait,,,,,,,,
One of the weird facts about shows or movies is that Internal Affairs or the DA are always being portrayed as the bad guys 🤔...
That's because police view them as they bad guys. The issue there is less with the portrayal of IA and more with the realistic attitudes of the police being portrayed.
lol very much unlike reality
Kaptain Kid . People behaving badly r called Bad Guys ! ✌🏽
What about "the dark knight"
the DA is always viewed as the bad guys but in my defense they’re good most of the time and speaking of which don’t they work with cops? I mean the DA takes on cases handed out by the state and therefore represent the state in which here include the cops, right? the criminal usually has an attorney present and they fight against the DA or something like that, and the DA is on the police’s side since they convicted that man? I don’t know man, I’m confused
I enjoy watching cop shows, but it always annoyed me whenever they would break the rules, because the rules are there for a good reason. It annoyed me that it was framed as acceptable to violate people's rights in order to catch a criminal.
Honestly just glad "copaganda" is now a real phrase
ua-cam.com/video/dilkebPTsYI/v-deo.html Good cops get punished.
Is that anything like copsplain?
@@kirkthiets2771 Lol, I think it's a bit different, but imma use that from now on 😂
I want to see a firefighter drama where the tough firefighter resorts to arson because he "doesn't play by the rules".
i laughed tee hee
Absurd laughter just came out of me, my friend. Thank you.
lololol Cuz that's so silly!
Adam Howell there was already a movie about that from the 90s called “Backdraft.”
Was gonna say back draft. But to late.
I’ve been saying this sort of things for decades - and I’m a Jew. The U.C. police were angry that I was photographing incidents of police violence during the demos at UCSB in 1971 & ’72, so they tried to entrap me in a gun buying scheme and, failing that, a drug deal, while ignoring apolitical drug dealers on campus. They arrested me 3 times on bogus charges, and the trial ended when the judge threw the case they went with out of court. Meanwhile, I was beaten and worse. Cops are lying scum, not interested in the law or the constitution, only in power and authority, or so my experiences taught me.
This isn't the first time I've heard this. Jewish people have been treated bad in American History... I wish that more would join the Black Lives Matter movement instead of hiding and aligning with white privilege.
Man, this story NEEDS to be told.
Howard , you is an old man like me.
That shit in Isla Vista still hurts on you.
Up in Berkeley , the cops were always shooting at us.
We learned from our Vietnamese mentors , the NLF (aka VC).
STRIKE FIRST , run away , come back to fight another day.
"No excuses. No excuses at all. Once you had a good excuse, you opened the door to bad excuses." - Sam Vimes, Commander of the Guard on Terry Pratchett's "Thud!"
Makes me wanna re-read the entire series. Vimes is AMAZING. (Or rather: Terry Pratchett was amazing. R.I.P.)
Part of the problem is that when the cops get taken to court and have to payout money it comes from the city's general fund. If it came out of the POLICE BUDGET or their PERSONAL income I bet that shit would stop real fast.
Man Tired Depressing police brutality is reveng against violence and injustice ?
Just remove qualified immunity
That's for sure or how about out of those big fat pensions
Hence Defunding. Budget reduction and putting the accountability on rogue cops should be considered.
You seem like youve worked for, or know, police. Because this is 100% accurate
Wait, so Jack Bauer stabbing a guy in the knee with a knife isn't a valid interrogation technique?
It's actually a war crime. Brutality that would have soldiers court-martialed if they do it in an actual war (torture is against Geneva conventions), is normalized as normal cop behavior by cops thanks to TV.
Only in a CIA blacksite.
I had no idea too😂
We had a kidnapping case like this. The life of a little girl was in the balance (or so the officer was lead to believe) and he used excessive force to get the information out of the kidnapper. Sadly the girl was already dead (killed days ago) and the kidnapper used it against the officer. Emotionally I could understand that officer so well. If the girl would have been alive somewhere and the kidnapper knew the location ... But we have laws for a reason.
He is a counter terrorist not a police.
In the defense of Chloe Decker, she wasn't a cop when she beat up that driver. She was an actress who was pretending to be a cop. She later became a cop and let the Devil Himself beat up bad guys.
I completely misunderstood this comment had to google it. and realized the whole thing was about a character in a tv show and not a person in real life. :)
That's true to the plot. Then she let Lucifer do the bad cop routine.
@@chris_harry more like Good Devil routine.
@@cctomcat321 Bad cop, Good Devil Copaganda!
Inquisitive Cameron To quote Luci himself, “Good cop, demon cop.”
Anyone else catch that the guy whose arm they broke was accused of PANHANDLING?! As in asking for money?! If this had been the ‘right’ guy it would be some homeless dude getting his arm broken for asking for spare change.
I was looking for someone who would also validate that observation. The fact that panhandling is a crime (an arrest-worthy crime?) at all is a disgrace. To see that they are treating people without secure housing or financial security like that is unacceptable. This is how they treat folks with substance abuse and mental illness as well. They are usually not able to advocate for themselves about their treatment.
Yes, That is the sad truth...your wealth is your golden ticket.
"sorry we attacked you for no reason. we thought you were homeless" that makes it worse not better wtf.
@John Daniels Their speech is approved; the homeless man's is not.
I was gonna say the same thing. They do that too. I had a cop tell me once it was better they get their arrests on panhandlers than risk getting shot by gang members. And that they'd all kill each other anyway so why bother. Stfg.
They're supposed to DEFEND, not ATTACK. The badge is a SHIELD, not a SWORD.
I like that. I'm going to use it. 😁
Thank you. Finally someone has common sense. A trait that isn't necessarily shared
I’m using that too
You can kill with shield too.
Oh they know the badge is a shield - that shields them from accountability. It's their baton that they think is their sword
Accused of panhandling. They body slammed and broke the arm of someone they believe to be a homeless man looking for cash to eat.
Exactly! He was innocent, but even if he hadn't been innocent, was that really the amount of force necessary for a panhandler? Of course not.
Basically. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
The guy got paid $700,000. Not poor anymore.
Asskicker41582 nope he was trying to get his medical bills paid. So still poor unfortunately
@@SonriseNshine nope, he skipped on paying those bills so not poor.
I always thought it was extremely hypocritical that cops would break the rules and then try to punish other people for breaking the rules.
One of the main problems is that the police perceive society in terms of "them" and "us" or, more specifically, "them" vs. "us". The police do not think in terms of "protecting and serving" the public, because the police perceive the members of the public as their adversaries.
They go after criminals and bad guys. They are called every day to dead bodies, rape victims, robbery victims, and all kinds of horrors.
Its interesting all the cases in the news about cops involve a person doing a crime, and usually with a long criminal history.
Cops think they're "warriors." And if that were the case, that makes American citizens their enemy which goes against everything they're supposed to stand for. A true warrior puts his life on the line so others may live. All cops are worried about is "officer safety." They just want to "make it home alive" after their shift. If they were true warriors they would be more worried about citizens making it home alive after their shift, not themselves.
The love referring to us as civilians.
Mark Clifton wrote something this in 1960: A main cause of crime is the attitude of police towards the people.
He was right.
@@redbeardf7998 Then why are Middle Eastern countries low on crime, when they dont tolerate any anti-social behaviour? In the Middle East they jail feminists and LGBT activists, even atheists.People get executed for apostasy, blasphemy, even adultery. Same in Asia, most Asian countries execute drug dealers but they have low rates of violent crimes. If you go to countries like Vietnam or Philippines, you will see 10 year old girls selling lottery tickets on the streets, in safety. How do you think a 10 year old child would go selling lottery tickets in an African American majority city?
I appreciate the way you refer to George Floyd's situation as "murder" or "killing," not just "George Floyd's death." It wasn't simply a death, it was a murder, a negligent and cruel act, and an intentional lack of care for basic human needs to sustain life - need I say it - AIR! Breathing! Killing, murder, torture, indeed.
I agree with you 100%
I am with you, Molly.
It was also done by someone who knew Floyd from 15 years before.
@@pedroestrada3052 you mean a year
Molly Allen drives me up the wall when people refer to these murdered as incidents
My friend is a Chief of Police. He has always said to me, "never talk to a cop"
I've always taken his advice.
Well, do you still talk to him?
Lol
"Thanks for the advice." "What did I just f***ing tell you?!"
Did you talk to him right after he told you that?
He must be a terrible chief than.
As a teenager through my mid 20's, I was the girl with a headlight out, or speeding a little, or with tags out of date, and I almost never got a ticket when I was pulled over, I would get a warning, and I used to think it was so funny when my male friends would get ticketed for the same thing. I was taught cops are the good guys, there to protect you. Then I was riding in a car with my Black husband down a very deserted street (at night) on our way home. We were told we were being pulled over because a light above my rear license plate was out. I didn't know there was a light there, it just wasn't something that had ever intruded on my life before.
LET me tell you why some White people who are totally against racism didn't know about the shit cops were doing all the time. (There is no excuse, I'm not asking to be excused for not learning about there being one set of rules for Whites and, make it up as you go for everyone else.)
I grew up in RURAL UTAH and got my diversity from Sesame Street. I had always dated whoever I wanted, so I was around what little diversity there was in Utah, but not IN THEIR LIVES. When I moved to the East coast, married, and spent a lot of time with my new family, I learned the difference between being open minded, or not being a racist, and being ANTI-RACIST. Actually seeing how people I loved were being treated so differently than I had experienced felt like a tectonic shift. This wasn't how I was told cops act. This wasn't how I, White Girl, was ever treated by police, even driving on an expired license, even driving with expired tags. This was a different planet than how I had been treated.
When my man and I decided to get married, we made a choice. We chose not to see the casual racism toward OURSELVES because we thought if we did focus on it, that racism would be our focus everywhere we went and in everything we did and we didn't want to allow small minded people power to dictate our feelings or ruin our day. We ignored the "involuntary racism" rather than have it spoil our lives; like seeing how many nearly empty restaurants, in a row, would still seat us at the back of the dining room.
The night we got pulled over wasn't something you could ignore, and I will NEVER forget. I couldn't believe how that cop was acting, asking what was in my drink, a Big Gulp from Sev (7/11), and if there were drugs in the car, and I was getting ready to lose my temper when my husband, keeping very still said very low, Do not say anything, do not do anything. Follow my lead and be quiet. I knew in that moment that I had been dancing around with my White Privileged head up my white Privileged ass, and my husband was afraid I might give a cop a reason to kill him for the crime of driving while Black with a White woman. What we went through that night wasn't even on the same PLANET as my frequent run-ins with cops willing to give a White girl a slap on the wrist and a wink. It still shames me and makes me sick that I ever thought it funny. We were made to wait for back up and they searched my car like we'd just crossed over from Columbia instead of Connecticut. The car was judged not road-worthy, and though we could see my house, less than a mile away, I was cited for the light and forced to pay to have it towed home. Money I didn't have. Neither of us had any warrants or even unpaid tickets. We were squeaky clean. This is not me saying, "I was married to a Black man for 10 years, and now I know what it's like to be Black. . ." HELL NO. HELL NO.
I Don't Know SHIT.
White people, Allies-- things aren't going to change if we don't desegregate. We need to be up in each others lives All The Time.
We need to have friends that will invite us to dinner on the Reservation.
We NEED friends that invite us to a Quinceañera or a Bar Mitzvah. We need to hangout on vacation together at the lake.
Walk our kids to school together in the morning.
We need to be there when this stuff happens, be ready not just to tape it, but we need to ask ourselves, am I willing to throw myself at a cop who has his knee on the back of a completely helpless Black man's throat, listening to that poor man begging for help while the cop just laughed at him? THAT is a HUGE question and we need to know our answer BEFORE we are faced with it.
I Won't Stand By.
I've thought it over and over and if I had been BLESSED with a child while I was married, he or she would be 18 now. I spent most of my marriage trying to get pregnant, despite my health problems -- most of which would likely not be passed on the my child. I thought about this intelligent, athletic, funny, Beauty that would have been our daughter, I thought about the sweet, smart, funny, handsome son that would tower over all 5'2" of me. I thought about how America would treat me, and then, I thought about how America would treat my Black daughter, or Black son, if ever I was so blessed. I thought about the talk White parents don't have to have with their kids.
I thought about that a lot when I worried a cop would shoot my husband for reaching for his inhaler some night.
I KNOW NOTHING
of what it's like to be a Person of Color. I only know what it's like to love those that were and are my family, and I will take the consequences of shoving anyone with their knee on someone's neck.
Make some new friends.
Integrate.
Decide.
DECIDE NOW WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO PULL THE OPPRESSORS BOOT OFF A HELPLESS PERSON'S NECK.
wow interesting story thx for sharing
Thanks for sharing such a shocking but inspirational story
My God thos quote needs to win an award, not because you're special but because we desperately need more people like you who are so aware like this.
Wow! Thank you. Thank you for sharing this wonderful and inspiring message. God blessyou ans stay safe.
You get a like. First time I ever heard a white person check all the boxes. I just posted a comment on this channel earlier addressing this stuff and you hit all the boxes. I’ve heard whites say pieces of that. I’ve heard whites pretend not to understand. I’ve seen whites confused, as they’d put it, about what Blacks are talking about. Again first time I ever heard a white person check and address all these boxes together.
1. There’s a difference between being open-minded & *ANTI-RACIST.*
In the discussion about the issue of racism on all levels. Whites will try to argue with Uss as that they aren’t racist or whatever nonsense it is that folks are willing to sit and listen to. They’ll often repeat “I don’t care” in context to what color, religion or culture other people belong to. As if that makes them our ally or makes them correct in the current discussion. It does NOT.
On that same topic, AAs are ANTI-RACIST. That means we perceive and approach racism with the mindset to eradicate it. Usually always. Racism is a bug that needs to be exterminated and there’s no moving words with it or seeing it half way. There’s no compromise with it. That’s the mindset AAs have towards racism. That’s what these “I’m not racist but I’m always arguing against Black people for some reason” whites need to comprehend.
2. Your acknowledgment of your own white privilege and how we, Black & White, live in two different worlds when it comes to how society works for us. No need to go further on this you addressed it greatly. That same white privilege is what keeps white people committing the mistakes I mentioned in #1.
3. What whites need to do. This was what I said I addressed earlier in another video on this channel. Essential I said I get tired of Black people trying to take up for whites just because they see them “listening to rap”. And then wanna claim them, praise them, and uplift them. And “listening to rap” was a metaphor- it’s a saying in Black (Afro-American) culture. So don’t get your white heads confused over it. Anyways, I said words are meaningless, along with silly petty moments. The only white allies I have are the ones willing to RISK their jobs/businesses and lives for us. And even then, after they do that- they don’t get pushed to the forefront of our movements. They get their ass in the back of the line because we have been fighting this oppression centuries and there’s a long line of us ahead of them.
All in all you hit ALL THREE points on the head. You said everything I ever wanted to hear a white person say, that would convince me to give them my trust. Kudos to you.
As a non-American, I wondered aloud once why there are so many right-wing Star Trek fans in the USA, despite it obviously being a show based in social justice and equality. It was explained to me that conservatives saw it from a totally different angle- Kirk and co were rebels, always breaking the rules of Starfleet to win the day, like John Wayne in a cowboy movie. I think that's the same reasoning behind these cop shows, they show the individual being the hero and sticking it to "The Man", which is the dream of many middle-class (white) Americans who dream of being rich and powerful and being The Hero. Not coincidentally, the target audience of conmen like Trump who'll sell you the moon if you just donate today...
Except that's even a misremembering of it. I was watching the series a few years back for the first time and Kirk was actually pretty by the book for the most part. There was his thing with the ladies from different planets and lots of punching and shoot out battles which, along with the exploration elements gave it a feel that was similar to a western. I remember that occasionally Spock would bring up a minor regulation that Kirk would find a rule that let him circumvent it based on the particular circumstances. But generally, he always had a good legal or rules based justification in addition to being morally justified.
I remember there was an entire episode around whether he disobeyed protocol during a routine activity and hit a button in the wrong order resulting in a man's death. There was an investigation and everything.
That's the thing about the American Right and individualism. They are totally okay with things like having kids mindlessly chant loyalty oaths to a piece of red, white and blue cloth, but try to get them to follow any sort practical rule with reasons of public good and safety behind it and they will act as if King George has risen from the dead to claim the right of Prima Nocta.
@@LC-sc3en But even in that episode kirk was framed. He followed the correct protocol, but the record was tampered with to ruin kirk's career. he was a by the book captain unless lives depended on it. watch the episode balance of terror again. when kirk violated the rules and followed the other ship into the neutral zone (DMZ). he informed his superiors before doing so. Thanks for indulging an old star trek nerd. Cheers
Any TV job looks cool when you walk side by side in slow motion with dramatic music
I mean...we have a movie that makes being an Accountant look badass.
Yes entertainment is supposed to grab you like that I hope people don’t start letting them regulate us it’s not supposed to be reality reality is bullshit and boring
@@jerko4910 Imagine if everything you do everyday is accompanied by music. Would you take it?
It's the leather jackets.
@@jerko4910 The bullshit of reality is solely the responsibility of people in power stomping down on other people's rights.
The boredom of reality is solely the responsibility of the person (not) living it.
Not going to lie, I didn't really think much about this while watching shows and I do feel there are shows that talk about police breaking the rules, but I do know I will never watch a show about police the same way.
Thank you for expanding my perspective, Trevor.
Brooklyn 99 is the only one I've seen where there are constant showings of bad cops . Except of course all the things the main character should've been fired for
@Jason Crosby I am guessing you mean this video was left wing propaganda?
@Jason Crosby and I'm guessing the videos citizens film of police brutality is also somehow left wing propaganda?
I love this comment. I'm proud to see someone so open to perspective.
I love law and order SVU it's a great cop show I talked to one of the cops in My town in arcadia Florida he told me what they do we can't do in real life because real cops don't do that
It also bears mentioning that television is all about entertainment, and that we have been culturally indoctrinated to believe that cops going rogue is entertaining. It’s not.
British cop shows feature almost no police brutality whatsoever, and yet they’re arguably more compelling than 90% of cop shows that are US based. The characters on British cop shows also take the rules more seriously and more often than not when a cop goes off the handle the writers make a point to have that come back to ruin their cases.
I love British cop shows. Vera - Never has a gun, hates violence, smart as a whip. The list could go on and on.
@@gusmonster59 or Luther
broadchurch alll da way
Absolutely all about entertainment! Thats why Trevor Noah lies to his audience constantly and manipulates events for his viewers, cuz he's not interested in showing people whats actually true... he just wants to entertain you while reinforcing and deepening false narratives about events.
It's not indoctrination. It's because these cop procedurals are extremely formulaic, cookie-cutter serials easy to produce with a guaranteed stable audience. They remain that way, because like everything else in entertainment, corporations hate risk and too many people are happy sticking with the banality they know. All of this to say, is crime shows and movies have not changed since a time in the 80s/90s when crime was higher, and criminals were viewed as the primary risk to your well-being, not the law enforcement. The topics on tv reflected popular attitudes and beliefs, and they just haven't changed since then, even though crime became a much smaller issue and over-policing is the bigger threat today.
Never liked US police shows or movies, much prefer Nordic ones. Slow and moody, with loads of tired people sitting at a desk doing a lot paper work and drinking black coffee.
Nordic countries have almost no crime. It would make sense for them to have nothing to do.
I can picture that and it is absolutely hilarious. Thank you for making me smile.
Whats Nordic? Like what country is it?
@@blacktee31 It's a region in Northern Europe also includes Greenland, Faroe Islands and Svalbard, many confuse it with Scandinavia.
Scandinavia in it's narrowest refers to the Scandinavian peninsula which consists of Norway and Sweden. Iceland and Denmark are related to these two countries so they are often described as Scandinavian as well. The languages in these four countries are all related, and they have cultural similarities, sharing many traditions. The word Nordic comes from the Scandinavian languages, in all of them it means The North. The main reason for the term Nordic countries is Finland. It is next to Scandinavia, but is quite different. The Finns are related to the Sami people who are native to Northern Europe. Genetically they aren't related to the Scandinavians who are descendants of Vikings. The Finnish language is completely different to Scandinavian languages (Scandinavians share grammar, root words, and can understand bits and pieces of each other). The climate is different in Finland (the effect of Golf stream isn't as strong) making the vegetation different, and even the bed rock is different. on top of that there are differences in traditions (the old religions were different) and in culture. The Nordic countries have agreements, and do a lot business together, so a term that includes all, makes sense. The Nordic countries have also formed a council, the Nordic Council, which the Nordic countries use to make agreements with other countries (they are able to get better deals by working together).
Finns do not like to be called Scandinavian, because of history between Finland and Sweden. Finland used to belong to Sweden, and Sweden tried to erase Finnish culture. It brought Christianity to Finland, outlawed the old religion, forbade the education of Finnish language, the celebration of many holidays and many traditions, and basically the only people who were allowed to vote, were the Swedes living in Finland, who owned most of the wealth. But Finnish culture survived, and began to thrive after Finland was given to Russia, and subsequently granted autonomy.
The Scandinavian countries long viewed The Sami and Finns as inferior, and as recently as 1970 in Norway and Sweden, Sami women were forcibly sterilized in order to erase the Sami, and till 1990s both had governmental departments whose only purpose was to come up with ways to eradicate the Sami. So Finland and the Sami are not Scandinavian, they have never wanted to be, and the Scandinavians have never viewed them as such.
Sounds boring
Brooklyn 9-9 had the first couple episodes of their next season written but the writers and producers have completely scraped them and are re-writing them with the current circumstances in mind
Brooklyn 99 had that really good episode where terry got stoped by a cop. It was really good
I was happy that no clips were from b99. It is a very human show. If only all cops were like the precinct.
@@Svengali764 It's less of a cop drama than a cop comedy. I kept thinking about the long night interrogation where Jake didn't use violence but rather got the dentist to admit to his crimes by playing on how the dentist wanted to feel smarter than him.
Thank goodness, I thought that show was on the way out for sure, glad to see they're just playing their cards right
I personally think they should just all work at the post office next season and never acknowledge it.
People literally use the term “good cop/bad cop” and then go on thinking our police don’t need major reform.
Zwenk Wiel You clearly missed the point. There shouldn’t be a “bad cop” image at all. You’re making an excuse for misconduct to continue instead of confronting it and wanting change.
This comment right here👌🏾
I think you're misunderstanding the tactic a bit, it doesn't actually have anything to do with cops and existed before formal police did. It got its name because in modern times, interrogations are most frequently conducted by police. Good cop/bad cop doesn't mean the "bad" one starts breaking rules or hitting people or anything like that, the strategy is that the "bad" one has a bad attitude; not as forgiving or understanding, impatient, might suggest just giving up on listening and just throwing them in jail if they don't cooperate. The good cop in contrast takes all the time in the world to listen to you, offers you refreshments, shows sympathy to your situation and tells the "bad" one to back off a bit; that way you naturally gravitate towards the good cop (or the more agreeable person who shows you understanding) and are more likely to divulge information to them.
@@kaind.badguy Good gop/bad cop is more of a tactic than it is a fact. Like...the guy that plays good cop doesnt mean he has a stellar record, is a youth pastor, feeds the homeless or whatever. And the bad cop doesnt mean hes some sort of thug barely on the right side of the law that always has to have other cops turn a blind eye. It's just an exercise in intimidation. It isnt about race or gender. So idk...I politely disagree with your assessment of the phrase "good cop/bad cop" and think you're also missing the point and stretching to fit YOUR narrative. What law are they breaking if the person is already in police custody? Maybe they broke the law by getting him there, but the good cop/bad cop is just a tactic. And before you @me. No, I'm not in favor of police and think everything going on today is more heartbreaking than anything. Because it's clearly a time that is boiling over due to anger. Due to white people hating people of color wanting equality and somehow saying racism isnt rampant in America. And people of color being fed up with a system that condemns you from birth if you're simply not the right shade of color. But to try to relate the expression good cop/bad cop in the way that you are...seems a little silly.
The police, DA's and judges are more addicted to their phemominal, almost unanimous, conviction rates than the worst drug addicts on the streets in this day and age. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times... *ALL COPS ARE BAD!!!*
For the last 4 decades or at least for as long as I can remember anyway every single cop who throws a person in jail is guilty of coercion and human rights violations and even torture to attain their goal of maintaining unprecedented and inflated conviction rates so they qualify for federal grants and assistance.
A jail these days is nothing more than a sensory deprivation chamber and keeping folks in lockdown under the presumption of innocence is tantamount to torture. They will only feed you a 2k calorie diet and I guess that's cool if you like green baloney sandwiches. Windows are blocked, stained or too high to see out of.
Lights are left on 24/7. There is no peace, not even in the middle of the night. Everything you see, hear or touch is geared toward getting a conviction out of you wether you're guilty or not.
Conditions are so rotten most people will take a plea deal offered by overzealous DA's just to get out of an abominable situation and "buy" back some semblance of the life they led beforehand.
*ALL COPS ARE BAD!!!*
If you think the justice system isn't just a ATM for the government to bilk money from the public at large you're a goddamn fool.
The most rational and reasonable cops out there are rotten to the core.
All those 1.6k dislikes are police officers that got fired for police brutality
"You want me on that wall...you need me on that wall!" - The self-righteous, fear-mongering justification of every cop with too much ego and power and not enough accountability.
I believe the movie you are quoting is about soldiers, not cops.
@@rickyray2794 That Swoooosh you just heard is the sound of my allusion going right over your head.
@@rickyray2794 Well, you're wrong. The movie he's quoting is about Marines, not Soldiers.
@@skulls-n-guns interchangeable as far as I'm concerned
@@rickyray2794 Wrong again. In the US, only people in the Army are Soldiers.
Your inconsistency is amusing. You criticized @spectreskeptic3493 for quoting a movie about Marines in the comment section of a video about cop shows. But you don't use the proper terminology for service members.
If you're going to be pedantic, at least try to follow your own rules.
So what you're saying is: People can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
...After this year, I'm pretty ready to believe that.
We all get influenced by media whether we like it or not. Also if you don't have a bad police interaction you're more likely to believe what you've been told and shown. Ppl are waking up now tho.
It’s not entirely implausible: a long time ago when I worked as a prosecutor I took my nephew on a follow-me-to-work week and he was clearly disappointed by the end that it wasn’t as ‘exciting’ as it looked on tv - he probably thought I get a serial killer convicted on a weekly basis! Granted he was only in his mid teens, but still... 😑
It’s why so many people didn’t believe those stories about Bill Cosby. They only saw him as Dr. Huxtable 🤷♀️
@@alexandriasims7110 Yup. Exactly this. I was guilty too. I never thought he could do something like that.
🤣😂
I can't imagine thinking Chicago PD makes anyone think cops are good people. Everyone on that show is a self serving power monster
Chicago PD is realistic because they tell the dirt about dirty cops. Voight went to jail for trying to kill Casey and he killed his son murder, Antonio was a drug addict, Erin helped covered-up Voight killing someone, Upton got a known drug dealer murdered, Roman killed his sister's murder, and the list goes on. Heck, the Spring 2020 season finale touched on police brutality, breaking the good ole' boys blue line, and showed them coming after Atwater for telling the truth.
And the last few episodes of Chicago PD showed how racist some cops are.
Indeed, there was only one character whom I sorta liked: the drug addict girl who turned her life around and wanted to become a cop who was murdered by a serial killer in one of the crossover episodes. Everybody else were shit, although Voight was an interesting character for awhile.
I wud b be some type of version of voight
@@barbarajoseph-adam8337 I loved Nadia. I was so mad when they killed her off. I wanted to see Nadia go to the police academy and try to be a cop. I loved the episode when she shadowed Burgess and her partner and followed the bad guys pretending that she was an officer. I also loved Nadia and Trudy's relationship. Nadia took no crap and Trudy loved her for it.
It’s not just cop shows, most shows about lawyers are about lawyers bending the law. (Suits, How to get away with murder) Most medical dramas are about doctors not following protocol and making their own rules. (House MD, Greys Anatomy)
but i think in the lawyer and doctor shows there are always voices of reasons and - to some extent - ramifications for their actions. it's always acknowledged that they are bending rules, in cop shows they make it seem like this is how it is MEANT to work
So we can't have fictional shows anymore?
@@anchi1816 First of all: There are Medical Dramas where someone is breaking the rules and it doesn't turn out good. Same with some Cop shows, where they break the law and it is discussed inside the team that you can't behave like this because it's illegal...
And that's the point I guess: You should not show something like this, without putting it into context, without having people questioning it, without showing, that they are wrong by doing so, without showing consequences for this kind of action.
Besides that - as a European it's always interesting to see, how many guns are fired up in an episode. Compared to most European shows Cops in US shows are firing up more guns in the first five minutes than in an whole episode of an European cop show...
Stay away from my suits
@@logicone5667 cultivation theory
Just heard about a man shooting up his home, had a standoff with the police, acted belligerent over losing an arm wrestling match with his son. He was "peacefully" detained. Yet I see comments justifying unarmed people being murdered in their sleep and asking for directions. There is no point in reasoning. The only conclusion is that our world and society doesn't function off of reasoning. It functions off emotion.
Why do American police act like a soldier in the middle of a battlefield during a world war
Well, there's the militarization of police, they're literally going around in military gear, And now many cops adopted the "Punisher" symbol that was a fashion started by US soldiers (Frank Castle being a war veteran).
Small penises
You: penises
Me, an intellectual: peni
Makes me think some cops just need to join the military
Sylvia Dawn NO, that's a horrible idea. They'll just murder innocent people in other countries.
There's also the cops who grew up watching these shows.
Very good point.
just like mass murderers who played violent videogames
juan cast And yet there’s nothing to prove that violent video games are at all the cause, while America’s worship of firearms goes nigh-unquestioned.
@@OakenTome Thanks for saving me the effort.
We all grew up watching the shows! What sucks is I just found out these people are also military so they work as cops and military!
You just summarize what I feel watching those Cop shows.
Also, how after the suspect ask for a lawyer, they are immediately treated as having committed the crime.
It's interesting those cops that broke the mans arm find their actions a proportional response for "panhandling".
How does the "land of the free" explain judge/jury/executioner behavior with regular death sentences being passed down as a free country?
Makes me so mad when cops tell people to “calm down” when they are being hurt. It’s like my family beating me then telling me that they will give me something to cry about.
Cops are skilled in gaslighting people. They'll get up in your face, super aggressive, then say you need to back up for "officer safety", as if their safety is more important than yours.
Gaslighting at its finest
Relax! Relax! You seem nervous; why are you nervous? Keep your hands where I can see them! Why are you sweating? You’re acting suspiciously. Why were you running? Where are you coming from? Where are you going?
Jasmine V, its like calm down, I just want to hurt you, no big deal. That's why I dont say anything back and since Trevor is using his voice I feel more save and at ease somehow.
@Tachanka Main Right like wtf yo, that's asinine!!
Forget the warrants, forget the rules. Did you not hear my raspy voice?!
Hank Voight : GET IN THERE!!! 😅
Forget the warrants and the rules, because what the people really want is for the wicked to get off on a technicality, and for innocent people to confess to crimes they did not do.
That is so cool!
all about the raspy voice...lol
no one who watches Chicago pd and not think the cops on that show aren't shady as hell I'm always like exactly what Trevor says there Lawyer would have got them off in a second
I'm a white woman who have always considered myself "woke". I never, ever thought about this, and definitely never made the connections to how it may affect POC. That's true privilege, I know.
I'll try harder to be a better ally. "It's not about what the world holds for you. It's what you bring to it."
@Joe King Said like a true jedi. She needs emotional/professional help.
@Joe King the ignorance and denial is strong with you
Just as long as you take your own personal guilt you feel and not dump it on other people, some people are just decent anyway and don't need wokeness to make them a good person, never place white guilt on others
If we can’t differentiate entertainment and reality then I have little hope for us
Innocent guy just walking along,
cops gang rush him and snap his arm,
and we're just thankful he's not dead.
That's the US Police.
Surrender into custody without resistance, file civil rights violation claim, become rich... Why cry?
@@Zatvornik Ah, yes. Surrender without resistance, when they'll just say that you resisted, falsify the police report, and probably get a commendation. And while the case is happening, their cop buddies will be driving past you house at all times of the day and night, harrassing you and your family members, sharing details of your vehicles to stop you for...reasons...randomly. Lots of implied threats. Yes, just sue, why cry?
@@raven3moon , hence my original solution I have been screaming at every corner : A PUBLIC DEFENDER IN EVERY PATROL CAR!
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Public defenders get innocent people jail time because they can’t afford bail, court costs, or a real defense. Probably not a great band aid.
@@raven3moon name a single case where all this happened to one person…
I was an MP in the Marines and it shocks me how policing in the civilian sector, is more militaristic than it was for me as an actual military policeman. We were taught that we were protecting our brother and sister Marines and their families. We had a "police your neighbor" approach whereas civilian police are trained with an "us against them" mentality, and have been given ordinance and taught tactics used by actual occupying forces.
There is a laundry list of things we need to do as Americans that perhaps starts with a hard look at the hearts and integrity of all our elected officials rather than their political lean. Accompanied by immediate changes to policing through De-funding, restructuring, and reallocation of resources and responsibilities. In large part because our police are asked to do things, they are neither trained for or equipped to do, but primarily so they can focus on changing the culture of there order and the permanent removal of those officers who cannot adjust.
That's the attitude i take towards working in prison, I police the inmates knowing that one day i will see them on the street.
This is the most intelligent, honest comment I’ve seen in a long time. Yes, they encourage us vs.them mentality and wonder why these conflicts exist. A dangerous situation for all. Thanx for your comment and service.
I know federal agents who say cops aren’t trained as well as they are. They get regular trainings. That why you never hear of them in issues with the public (other than getting prostitutes lol). It’s definitely a broken system if other law enforcements see the issues.
Police have killed 10000 unarmed ppl in last 10years and the army has killed over 100000 civilians in the same time so?
Its less about training
and more about individual attitude
Some people think Police officers are suppsed to be cowboys
Same goes with militaty , most people thing being a soldier is like being a Rambo or a Super hero 🤷
" yeah, the virus is gone but so is your laptop " I'm crying
4:29 That episode of Lucifer is actually a "what if". As in, What if her father didn't get shot. It's on Netflix. And Chicago PD is a realistic take on dirty cops. Voigt is the best dirty cop character.
Elijah Mcclain... never forget. He and his family deserves justice 👊🏽👊🏾👊🏿
I've never realised how F.R.I.E.N.D.S rarely had people of colour until now
Same. I mean in you’d think they would include a couple characters considering it takes place in the most diverse city in the US...🤔🤔
It was actually a big controversy, when “Friends” was new. They eventually added in some girlfriends who weren’t white, but never any roommates.
Most popular sitcoms in America don’t have ppl of color in any major roles. Friends, Seinfeld, How I met your mother etc.. When you grow up and stop watching them with rose colored glasses you see how television tries to present a one race version of America🤔
Omg me toooooo
@@alsimmons3808 Barney's brother is black
One thing I like from Breaking Bad is that Hank faced repercussions when he did something illegal/abusive. There was actual disciplinary action.
Once I stopped watching TV I saw how things really are.
The most dangerous person on earth is a high school drop-out with a badge and a pen.
*badge and a gun
@@robertnope1993 ua-cam.com/video/jPUFwmZN9eo/v-deo.html its true
@@robertnope1993 It'd be hard for them to shoot people in the back with just a ballpoint. But I absolutely support more training, defunding departments, and taking away their guns _and_ their pens until they prove they're worthy of either.
And a gun. Don’t forget the gun
In your Reality maby lol...
Why does panhandling justify violent force anyway?
A friend of mine told me once "any crime that can get you arrested can get you killed." Maybe stop sending cops to handle non-violent situations.
I think they will start doing that. then they'll stop it when a non violent situation turns violent, and social worker dies. it is not even an "if", it is a "when"
either way, it is not easy. body cams ALWAYS ON could help a lot, though
@@istvansipos9940 yeah but any situation could turn violent: ordering at McDonald's could turn violent; so we should have cops taking our orders?
@@tomsenick2033p a little extreme, but point taken
@@istvansipos9940 understand your point, but you wouldn't send a police officer to fight a fire... no, you send a fire fighter because that's what they're trained for n the police are not. Same goes for other scenarios in which police are called to act on situations they simply know nothing about. Like sending a chef to take care of a laundry mess... dude gonna put all your clothes in a boiling pot because that's just what he knows
@@jackmehoff2503 I'm a librarian and I've been threatened with bodily harm on multiple situations because I wouldn't bend the rules.
...And can we talk about Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight"(2008), where the police allowed a masked vigilante(Batman) to "aggressively interrogate" a suspected criminal(The Joker) in their own facility, unsupervised. -AND the other cop who went in to beat him up for revenge.lol Great movie but amazingly proves your point. Great share, Thanks!
funny how they thought that was necessary force for "possible pan handling"
I am Italian and i love "profiling" french series, and "the shetland" a scottish series" and other cops shows made in Europe. And i was saying It to my mum "look, in a european cop show Is not normal to see cops using guns or violence. They are mental. "Barbany" Is english and without guns or so Little. Italian tv shows too. Look "commissario Montalbano".
American shows are so so violent. I love Chicago PD and Blue bloods, but when I Watch them I clearly know that I'm whatching something Is not real in my everyday Life. Because cops are not so violents here in Europe. This Is sad. I am realizing that in Europe we don't need to feel the violence in a cop show for feel the beauty of the show. America really have to change his Heart. Good luck my friend
P.d. Sorry for my english. I learn It at School but I don't use it in my everyday Life. So Is hard to Remember. I am Italian, Is italian my firt language. Or I can speak french and spanish very very weel because we have similar languages. I'm saying this for ones Who traet me bad for the way i write. I know i am not good, but this Is not a good reason to try to make me feel bad about that.
Thanks
I agree, non-American shows are usually careful to show cops as realistically as possible and they show the emotional stakes of crime. The BBC show Broadchurch is a great example of how violence committed by cops has severe repercussions. And The Fall, too. Mainstream American shows rarely make cops the bad guys or even show cops as people who make serious mistakes-people who ARE infallible.
EDIT: I'm not saying police in Europe aren't violent! I'm saying the tv shows produced in countries such as the UK, for example, hold cops to a higher standard and avoid portraying violence as an appropriate and necessary means to attain justice. Police brutality is not accepted as normal in those countries as evident by the Europeans replying to me saying cops in their country are indeed violent.
You are right about cop tv shows in europe.But also europe people has a tottally different mind them american,they are more educated and more inteligent in making their tv shows.i dont actually watch those americans police drama tv shows because of the violence,the only american police tv show i watch is Brooklyn 99 because this is a fun show to watch,well written and with good actors.this show actually made me change my opinion about polices but not in american more here in europe
Grammar, however, was not a high priority. 😏 Edit: **This comment was directed at the comment directly above it, NOT the original comment, geniuses.** smh 😒
Erin Thesystem English is not they’re first language. They did better than we could do speaking they’re first language.
@@erinthesystem9608 What an a-hole comment. Did you have to go that low?
We need to reconsider how these settlements are paid out:
If these individual officers had their pensions and wages garnished as part of the settlements....
That's what I've been saying for years.
or their unions that protect ones they know are bad .
Thats also what's part of Defund the Police campaign is saying. I agree.
That's because of qualified immunity
Gary Keyes lmokobbbbbb.
From Hot Fuzz, “We're actually supposed to call it "the service" now. Official vocab guidelines state that "force" is too aggressive.”
I wish I had the time and space to outline three major experiences I have had with my local police department. Let me just stick to the night my mother overdosed on cocaine and heroin. I was a minor. Detectives questioned me and my even younger brother for over 6 hours without contacting CPS (Child Protective Services). They held me under suspicion, read the Miranda rights and pretty much left me traumatized.
I got over parts of this experience. I never got over the idea that I would kill my own mother with a needle and a hot load of drugs. I was at school when she did this. What gives? Oh, I forgot, I'm a Black male. Even when you're in the fifth grade you are capable of murdering people you love when you're a Black male.
Sorry to hear that ☹️
Here is your elevator pitch: a cop show about Internal affairs, but they are the good guys!
I would watch that in a heartbeat!
I did like how they did make 1 show, I never watched it but it was about investigating people on Deathrow to see if they are innocent or not. Which is great because a lot of people in jail are there because their confessions were coerced and their public defender was tired.
Internal affairs should always be the good guys!
but just like the rest of the US system, the oversight of the police is part of what they are overseeing & therefore bias to the outcome -.-
PS: the J.A.G. series was pretty much that, just following the military law instead police one!
Thats an up and down statement
Except internal affairs don’t do anything in real life.
Yes, decades of "Law and order" the tv-show shaped the way people see the police not only in the US but internationally! now the question is "how to undo years and years of fiction in people's mind?"
I think a good step would be if they stopped showing “Rogue Cops with something to prove” as virtuous.
It's fiction, it's entertainment. Perhaps we should start at a school level and explain fact from fiction.
That requires Tough work to do
Get people to read a book instead?
@Andrea Ciccaglione still law enforcement
Never looked at these shows this way before. Good analysis. These shows truly let you see them in a positive way even when they do wrong. Go trevor
Shoutout to Brooklyn 99 for being the most realistic of them all.....
“Noice toit smort”
Brooklyn 99 is the least realistic cop show what are you on about 😂😂
@@DiegoHernandez-zw5cg For an American cop show it probably is
@@DiegoHernandez-zw5cg actually, from what I hear comedies like Brooklyn 99 are oftentimes more realistic than popular cop shows like Third Watch or NYPD Blue. The same goes for Scrubs (a comedy) versus Grey's Anatomy with respect to the medical profession. I don't think the realism is in how Peralta catches his criminals, but more so in the way the precinct entertains itself to escape the more mundane parts of their jobs and just how ridiculously crazy and random life can be even when working in a field as serious as law enforcement.
I just talked about this with my husband while he was watching a police show. A lot of toxic masculinity glorified as well. Glad I not the only one who feels this way.
I had a roommate about a decade ago who was fond of watching the various permutations of CSI and Law & Order; after each of his marathoning session I’d put on Hot Fuzz to cleanse the telly. 😁
@@barbarajoseph-adam8337 this made me literally LOL
I never liked cop shows. Not because of the violence, or how bullshit corny all of them are. I just don't like cops. Been in deep shit plenty of times and it was my community and other common folk that helped me out. Cops usually brush people off as some kid of burden or nuisance at the least and as a threat at the worst. I aint never had to look on the television to see asshole cops ignore the rights of others.
Did your husband smack you around and then drive out in his truck to get another 6 pack?
I agree the hard part is discussing it in a way that doesn’t make people feel defensive for some reason people have a knee jerk reaction to want to defend these bone heads
Among other things, I'm glad that "copaganda" is now a trending phrase that people are using. 😁
Jason Crosby Really? How so?
@Jason Crosby it's so easy to distance yourself from issues at hand when you just say everything you don't agree with left wing propaganda
The problem is their is a big picture no one but me and law enforcement knows! They are the military! Well some of them!
Something that always made me laugh about Law and Order was that it said the episode was fictional and any resemblance to actual events was coincidental, when half the stories on there were clearly ripped straight from high profile cases from around the western world, mainly from the US itself.
I was just talking about this other while on season four of Gotham. I told my fiancé that Jim Gordon is a terrible cop.
I liked the quote from the "Person of Interest" show: "Dirty cops are a dime a dozen."
Great show
That's why the best cop show ever was Columbo :
- never use violence
- never break the law
- arrest the rich and powerful, not the poor and disenfranchised
But he si not perfect, as he often breaks boiled eggs in places he should not.
Nobody is above the law. Rich or poor.
Why would you suggest that rich and powerful people deserve to be arrested more that poor and disenfranchised people? Nobody owes you anything. Get over yourself.
"Oh, just one more thing..."
@心静渊智 Kill all cops that murder? So when did you start believing in the death penalty?
Yugetube : The writer of the comment did not say the rich deserve to be arrested more than anyone else. It is not suggested either. If you watched the TV show Colombo you would realize it was a different kind of cop show. I will not try to explain it here, but the show was not political. It was quite entertaining to watch Columbo catch the killers using feigned confusion and logic. I cannot think of one cop show that emulates the tools of Columbo. All we see now is brutality whether rich or poor, but way too often the villain is not from the upper 1%.
The potryal of Hank Voight is the perfect reflection of a Chicago cop 🤣
These police show clips make me appreciate brooklyn 99 even more.
Other cop shows: beat the crap out of the suspect.
Brooklyn 99 : *jake's guitar screeching*
I will never stop watching Brooklyn 99. Andy Samberg 4 life!
This is the only cop show that should never leave. Ever.
@@dennysdonuts4918 strange how they are the ones who are dumping episodes.
@@marissaurias5116 they usually get dinged for it and called out in show.
They portrayed public defenders as shady, who never defend anyone who’s actually innocent. B99 isn’t an exception to this portrayal. If anything, instead of showing them as tough, it’s showing that they’re all great, friendly/quirky, and never do anything wrong. It’s the same issue in a different direction. You can love something and still criticize it after seeing it’s flaws.
Michael Weston from burn notice once said that "Violence and intimidation are the worst forms of interrogation, because people will say whatever you want just to make it end"
Loved Burn Notice
That show was wicked brilliant.
aka, “When they see Us.”
Was Burn Notice the best USA original? Honestly, I liked most of them a good bit, except Monk.
That's a good show!
As an “older person” I’ve become jaded with the whole cop, lawyer, doctor genre tv shows. It’s all BS.
I used to love Chicago PD. Now I rewatched it and to see all the excessive use of force on suspects to get a confession, how internal affairs is always portrayed as the bad guys and how colleagues covered up the murder of another cop on the show who was suspended (but still showed up on the crime scene) when he killed a suspect.
I always find it funny how on cop shows they make it seem as if only “criminals” ask for lawyers & not talk to cops.
Becuz it’s a scripted series, they don’t show 9 hour interrogation were the person is forced into false confession.
I won't hesitate to lawyer up, guilty or innocent, if they ever haul me in. I'm a white cis male in Trump's america, and even I"M scared of the cops. I can only imagine how black folks feel.
I don't understand finding that "funny!"
Or 30+ hrs of no food, being interrogated and coerced into dictating a false statement like the Exonerated Five (previously the Central Park Five) were. They spent 6-13 years in prison for a crime they did not commit.
Nobody is forced into false confession. Nobody can force anything to say anything.
Chicago PD and Hawaii Five-0 has done that a LOT. They basically ignore the suspect's request for a lawyer because they're either so sure they're guilty, or because they don't want the lawyer getting in the way. Cops in shows always hate lawyers, when in real life they don't really have that bad a working relationship.
The lawyer isn't just to block cops. They're to motivate the cop to ensure they have evidence to back up their questioning - in a way, it helps the police build a more solid case for a fair trial.
Panhandling requires a takedown like that? Then they release him at the scene anyway? Wow.
Yes, because extreme poverty is a violent crime.
tra ve: same old class struggle huh?!
Saw that video. The cop whose camera footage we see is questioning the guy. Guy says repeatedly what he has been doing. Right before the second cop comes and throws him on the ground, guy is saying to body camera cop to call his sister to prove his story is true. Guy has no warning AT all before second cop grabs his arm to handcuff him and throws him to the ground. None. No put your hands behind your back. Nothing.
$700k is too low.
And what would have happened if he complied with the lawful orders from the police? nothing.
So you say you are being treated poorly by the police huh. Have you tried not breaking the law to see if that helps?
That’s why I really love “All Rise”. Watch that series about the injustices in the justice system. This series needs more attention and I am happy that they got a second season green lit a few weeks ago.
Sina McMillan Is it the one starring Simone Missick? Is it really good? Rating on IMDB not very high - slightly above average (although, yes, not always a reliable indicator). I’m looking for the next crime series to watch (just about finished watching Bosch - masterful, fantastic etc. etc.) and am trying to avoid seeing Season 4 of The Man in the High Castle. 😩
And of course, because it doesn’t fit the Broadcast Network formula (particularly a network whose audience SKUs older, white and conservative,) court was adjourned on that show after the second season.
Hi Trevor. Thanks! This subject is so topical & timely here in India too. A father and son duo were tortured & murdered by police for the apparent reason that they had opened their mobile phones store after curfew time! It's a George Floyd moment here and could you please help talk about it on your show? Thanks
Before I left Florida for Amsterdam I gave up on the expensive cable bills in part because it was endless cop shows.
The US is a police state where the people are crushed under the knee of the state but kept complacent with some shiny things.
So glad I left before they eased the gun laws, now you see people open carrying in stores etc...
No thank you.
When a society gets their education from TV and the internet, and has police departments manned by rejects from the High School Janitors guild for sheer stupidity and nastiness, that is what you get.
Why you have to insult janitors like that tho :-(
Amen we need to look at the facts and do something. The virtue signaling is ridiculous!
Do you have something against High School Janitors? I can't imagine what you think about sanitation workers, Walmart workers, migrant workers, etc...
the difference between cops and janitors is that one is a respectable and noble position, essential in the daily upkeep of society; the other is the police
Apologies to all janitors, no offence intended.
lol his joke about medical shows never showing doctors slapping their patient's around to find out what's wrong with them when their lab work is normal-clearly he hasn't seen House!
I stopped watching cop shows years ago because of this bs. Time for a show where the good cop takes down the bad cops.
Line of duty is a good one, it's about a cop who gets reassigned from the Met to the anti corruption division to deal with corrupt cops.
Question: “Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?”
Answer: File a $700k lawsuit when they finally realize I wasn’t a bad boy after all.
maybe he should have obeyed the police's lawful request then what would have happened? nothing as they would have released him unharmed once they knew it wasnt him. The problem is resisting arrest is reason for the arresting officers to escalate the situation.
@@pieroocchooa5837 Most people do not want the hassle of dealing with police. This normally results in the some officers getting frustrated; however, most officers are understanding of that and no incident occurs. The problem is the impatient jerks who escalate the situation for the most minor of actions. I'm sorry, but any cop who thinks violence against a non-violent suspect is acceptable is trash and should be fired immidately.
@@pieroocchooa5837 Looks like you didn't watch the video, guy.
@@pieroocchooa5837 no the problem is the police can justify LITERALLY ANYTHING for resisting arrest. Even asking questions because the person in question does not understand the process SINCE THE ODDS ARE THEY HAVEN'T EVER INTERACTED WITH THE POLICE! How are you suppose to obey the law when you don't know the specifics of the law and the person who does can make up shit to incriminate you at will? Then they can easily justify force to keep you compliant. Think before you talk shit.
LAPD made $700k in one day, arresting citizens for curfew violations.
There is a doctor drama like that. It's called House MD.
My favourite show of all time 😆
@@carolinebarrett4736 ikr better than all that grey anatomy bs
House is just American Sherlock
That was one good show
Did House also assault perfectly healthy people because he misidentified them as his patient? Also, does he force them to spend the next 30 years of their lives in a locked room with a violently unstable mental patient?
Most police officers truly believe that their job is to "protect and serve" the public, but those that can't/don't get it need to be eliminated.
Damn. Trevor Noah telling you how cop shows lie to you, is like a Tiger explaining to you how a house cat catches mice.
The wire showed that the police and criminals had many similarities.
Doesn't suit Trevor Noah's agenda, don't you know how this works?!! That's like pointing out that unarmed black people are shot at the same rate as white people by the police. Doesn't suit CNN and Don Lemon's narrative.
The Shield also did a great job at depicting the ramifications of rogue cops.
The Wire was a very awesome show
@@trave7251 Black people are just humans born with dark skin. The police are professional organizations of selected individuals, paid with your tax dollars to uphold the law and supposedly well trained to do so.
If any other govt agency was full of violent lying murderers walking freely on your dime, would you defend them?
@@CanadianLoveKnot That study was debunked[1]. Police are 3.5x as likely to shoot unarmed black Americans as unarmed white Americans[2].
[1] www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/08/study-claims-white-police-no-more-likely-shoot-minorities-draws-fire
[2] journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854
Anybody here remember "The Shield?" Great series. The LAPD hated it.
I hate to used the word underrated, but The Shield definitely is. Great show and the long-game story arcs (very topical ones, nowadays) beat Breaking Bad or The Sopranos.
@@smellyfeet706 You can find anything on the high seas.
And it was based in real life LAPD police unit, Rampart Division.
I can understand why they hated it they were bad cops and for that reason at times it was hard for me to watch.
@@johntaylorson7769 NOTHiNG.... CAN BEAT.... BrEAKINg Bad
"Accused of panhandling" sued for 700,000 dollars lol. Looks like he wont have to panhandle anymore. Police out here solving poverty one case at a time.
ahhh...the irony of it all is too good--karma is a beaacch
He wasn't even panhandling to begin with. They had the wrong guy.
The cop was trying to give him a helping hand, what did you do to help the homeless you keyboard warriors?
The only show I trust is Brooklyn NINE-NINE
Nine nine!!!
@@michaelcarlsen976 Nine Nine!!
i was waiting for a comment like this ,, brooklyn nine nine has portrayed bad cops and racism and problems with coming out to parents ext .
The worst was “24”, that showed cops as doing illegal acts, which were “good” as long as they caught (& killed) the “bad” guy.
It was quite a while ago, when I watched 24 (and maybe not all seasons), but as I remember it, the police violence was recognized as such and it had consequences.
To me it seems much more problematic when the good guys, portrayed with a clean slate, use torture. There were some examples in this video.
How about dirty Harry? My man was blood thirsty. Shooting you "made [his] day."
The late Justice Antonin Scalia actually cited 24 as an argument for torture. yikes.
YOU'RE VERY RIGHT ABOUT THAT. Just blew my mind.
That led to people being OK with torture, it's OK if they're terrorists although the torture was to establish that they were.
"The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing. We need it to get information, to assert ourselves..... Torture's for the torturer or for the guy giving orders to the torturer. You torture for the good times - we should all admit that. It's useless as a means of getting information." - Trevor Philips
John McCain said that torture only provides unreliable information. He aught to know, he was tortured for 5 years.
I think you should totally listen a fictional career criminal.
Torture in general is immoral but I'm not convinced it's "useless" for getting info. That one CIA lady said it doesnt work but that one former GRU and Spetznaz says it does. So....
legion999 strong feeling those who say it works get off on it
@@karlzipp181 McCain must have enjoyed it since he was so cavalier on supporting our government torturing , or enhanced interrogation tactics if you want to use watered down language.
Haha yeah that mission triggered me a bit the first time and then Trevor dishes out life lessons
My take: Confessions shouldn't be admissable in court unless the full interrogation is on video with the suspect's lawyer present the whole time.
Wait, so if the law evolves along with the people it regulates, police enforcement must to ? Strange !
Watching them slam that innocent man on the ground while he cries out for help just broke my heart....
And broke his arm🙄. Atleast he will get some money if he sees a lawyer
Mines too. I’m on the toilet crying as we speak. I can’t imagine how the cops can do things like this and feel nothing. 💔
@@rosemarymartinez6709 They don't feel nothing. You can see the aggression and testosterone expressed in their body language. They feel like they're "taking down the bad guy." It also explains why they look so flummoxed when they realize they have the wrong guy. We need cops who see themselves as servants of the public; these guys clearly think they are soldiers.
@@alekgoral9974 Exactly. They feel that they are noble warriors and that the public is their enemy.
your heart must be as broken as his wrist
The same with military.
Almost all military blockbuster are co-sponsored by the branches of the military ex soldiers millitary contractors etc..
No, by the people in power making money off the brainwashed frightened hurt military... they don’t get much for destroying and mass murdering and putting through hell and many have little money or are in even worse financial difficulty or homeless, and that’s if there’s no medical issues or injuries, because they don’t care about the military, they just recruit people who don’t know any better to do their dirty work for them so they can benefit off it all...
Yeah not true at all 😒🤣
Herta Schneider no, it’s literally ex military telling directors what is real and what is not do your research smfh america is the shit hole of a country and people feed right into its propaganda machine
I have believed this for years. It needs to change.
There are tv shows that expose the filth in the police department, Sons of Anarchy, the shield, line of duty, etc.....
"21% of US Residents... had experienced some contact with police" How many in that percentage were minorities? Because I know I had SEVERAL experiences with the police before the age of 14, and I was a nerd.
What does being a nerd have to do with anything?
@@junaydfisher211 "Nerds" usually do not look like what cops think criminals look like.
@@jhonshephard921 the typical Hollywood perception of nerds is so outdated. And the definition of it so lost today. Nerds can be attractive and most nerds these days are wearing streetwear, listening to trap, and trying to act cool.
My family and I are part of that 21%, and we're white middle class. So, yeah, in these drama cop shows, they fail to address how FUCKING PETTY they can get as well when a citizen questions their authoritah 🙄
Yeah, that statistic can't be true. I've been pulled over thirty times. But then I work second shift and am on the road during witching hour just when bored cops are looking for action.
Unfortunately, here in Tamilnadu, India, 2 people recently died due to police brutality. Looks like the roots of (bad) policing are down to the earth's core and will take a very long time to uproot it.
Desi police are the worst from what I've heard.
And we have movies like Sooryavanshi glorifying police.
Yes, I agree. This is a worldwide thing.
Yesterday in Kenya, the police beat up a disabled cobbler to death for breaking curfew while he was pleading with them as they beat up another colleague for not wearing a mask.
Yeah this needs so much more attention than what it's receiving. They were sexually assaulted and then beaten up so badly that they died.
No Voight or Stabler disrespect will be tolerated. 😭
This is just pure FACTS !