The Austrian Emperor of Mexico : Maximilian I
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0:15 I just use the flags of the Mexican Republic for the liberals and the flag of the First Mexican Empire for the conservatives as they at least somewhat represent what the two factions where fighting for. Although keep in mind that during the Reform War the flag of the Republic was used by both conservatives and the liberals.
2:10 Since he was seen as a military hero even though he had many loses under his belt, he was very good at covering these up.
3:49 OK technically it wasn't a full default on all the Mexican debt, but I am not an economist nor have the time to explain debt restructuring.
In layman's terms, Britain, France and Spain weren't going to get payed the full amount owned to them.
4:41 It is technically not a "national holiday" in Mexico (but it was in the past) but it is still very much celebrated today. But in the modern era it has gain a more different symbolism specially in the US Mexican community.
5:03 Ok it wasn't as strait forward as this and there was more military maneuvering by both sides and more battles than just one but again I am talking about the grand scheme of things.
5:10 Some have argued "no country in the Americas has subsequently been invaded by any other European military force" or that "had Mexico not defeated the French in Puebla on May 5, 1862, France would have gone to the aid of the Confederate States of America".
But these are very much speculations and I don't think valid arguments can be made for either of them.
5:30 It is important to understand that the conservatives weren't united in their support for installing a French backed European monarch.
5:38 The maps of the Mexican Empire control in Mexico may be wrong. I used (sources in the script) as my sources all of which differ slightly, there are also other websites showing yet another different control of the Mexican empire (ibid.). It is hard to say to what extent and where the Mexican Empire exerted control over the population as it was a mess of roaming gorillas and dissidents on top of the official forces of the Liberals and the Empire.
6:13 He prominently spoke out against the harsh treatment of the minorities within the Austrian Empire specially after the the brutal putting down of rebellions in the middle of the 19th century.
8:50 However he didn't abolish Peonage completely (although it is speculated that he had plans to, after the war).
9:16 And also to raise money for the Mexican peasants in Mexico city living in poverty.
10:01 It is also said that the Indios preferred having a king because they still had strong believes preferring kings over a republic harkening back to the pre-colonial era.
10:27 Charro is a certain kind of person so to be completely accurate he wasn't wearing a charro but a charro style clothing.
11:44 He didn't want to enact the decree but was convinced by his conservative supporters it was the only way to win the war.
13:37 There's a lot of contradiction of what Maximilian said and when on his last day.
Some sources says that Maximilian's last words where these.
"May my blood seal up the misfortunes of my adopted country. Long live Mexico.".
Other sources add to that this "I die in a just cause, that of the independence and liberty of Mexico. May my blood seal up the misfortunes of my adopted country. Long live Mexico."
Yet another source mentions this "May my blood be the last to be spilled as a sacrifice for the country. And if it did require some of its sons, may it be for the good of the Nation and never to betray it."
Yet another account says this “what a glorious day! I have always wanted to die on just such a day".
While other accounts say these words where said by Maximilian before the execution and aren't his last words.
Lastly a romanticized version of his last words exist which most certainly where not his last words.
"Mexicans! Persons of my class and origin are appointed by god, either for the happiness of nations, or to be martyrs. Called by you, I came for the good of the country. I came not in my ambition, but I came animated by the best desires for the future of my adopted country; for that of the brave men to whom, before death, I express my gratitude for their sacrifice. Mexicans! May my blood be the last that is shed, and may it regenerate this unhappy country!"
14:56 Arguments against this usually say that the liberals had to take the jobs as they where the only good paying job in a civil war ridden country.
15:00 Sebastián Lerdo was the president of Mexico after Juarez.
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That moment when the Monarch of the conservative side is more Liberal than the actual Liberal opposition
:)
Certified bruh moment
A neo-conservative myth....
Biggest bruh moment
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere he was to liberal for the liberals
When you roll a 6/6/6 monarch during the time of -3 stability and 20.00 war exhaustion
I dunno mate think his military score was closer to 2 or else we’d be seeing the Habsburgs still ruling over a much more interesting mexico
@@jeck988 nah he had 6 mil but his nation was bankrupt (no loans for mercs), out of man power, and was a few mil techs behind due to not having the enlightenment institution fully embraced.
Europa Universalis?
StarQlero Gameplays ik no one answered you but yes EU4
He was more 6/5/2, but yes. He was the best guy we've ever had.
Maximilian is the ideal "monarch of people", sadly the realistic is much cruel. His last words made me cry the first time I read it.
As I said at the end it's kind of contested what his last words really where, I go in to more detail in the description.
After I went through the sources my opinion now is that actually the last words stated in this video and on Wikipedia aren't probably the true last words, the way they came to us just seems a bit too fishy. The most likely candidate for the true last words again in my opinion is this "I die in a just cause, that of the independence and liberty of Mexico. May my blood seal up the misfortunes of my adopted country. Long live Mexico." as it is given to us by a coroner present at the execution, but again as it often times is with these things you can't really tell anything for sure.
I think Maximilian was a good monarch in the idealistic kind of way but sometimes such monarchs can ironically be bad monarchs for just that reason. Sometimes you need a more authoritative and dominant monarch specially for such a divided country like Mexico, which Maximilian really wasn't. But than again under slightly different circumstances he could have been the perfect monarch for Mexico, transitioning it in to a sort of New World Constitutional monarchy which wouldn't be only an amazing sight to see in the new world but a quite stable and prosperous country given the geography of Mexico and it's resources.
As you can see I could go on for days speculating about the pros and cons of such a Maximilian monarchy but in the end it's all just speculation anyways and who knows what could have really happened. But as the end of the video suggest I do think over all it could have been a positive thing for Mexico.
@@MLaserHistory Yes, thanks for the detailed description, always love the detail you provided in your video. :) I just want to show my sympathy to Maximilian's humanist ideal. Kindness and benevolence are not necessarily the best trait a monarch should have especially in a divided nation like Mexico. Machiavelli would probably give a 0 out of 10 to Maximilian's rule... but still, I always feel very sorry to Maximilian's tragedy.
Listening them now, they seem awfully similar to those of Louis XVI
@@MLaserHistory There is a legend, about Maximilian, they did not killed him, instead they signed and agreement, he pick up his staff, and went to Guatemala, he pass away on 1920´s, his new name assigned was: Justo Armas.
@@sebastianalvarez4211 yeahh
I always assumed that Maximilian was some foreign, cruel and narcissistic dictator just by the fact the French forcefully pushed him to the Mexican people. He seems like he genuinely cared for Mexico, a shame the situation was what it was.
In fact actually a lot of people in México likes more Maximilan than Juárez, and are a little bit bitter for his death because in the end he was a real mexican patriot that wants the best for his people.
My parents say that Juares is a incopetent ruller and currupt.
yeah education in mx just teaches it as it pleases
@@brenner3990 Most Mexicans don't give a shit about maximilian, Benito Juarez on the other hand is a national hero. There are statues of Benito Juarez all over the country.
Jose Jonhson historical revisionism at its finest, Juarez was incompetent and did nothing noteworthy other than use the war against Maximilian as the main driving force behind his legacy.
Fun fact: Maximilian also spoke some Nahuatl, the largest indigenous language of Mexico (Aztec language) to better connect with the working people as most common Mexicans at the time still spoke indigenous languages
I always felt bad for Maximilian. Imagine how different history could potentially be if something happened to young Franz Joseph and Maximilian became the Emperor of Austria. Add to that Frederick III not dying on cancer and we would have two liberally-minded emperors. That is assuming that the German Empire would be even formed (maybe not in the same form) in that timeline with Maximilian already being a pretty large "butterfly", flapping his metaphorical wings and effecting the unification of Germany in ways that are hard to predict.
BTW this is shaping up to be a great series about Mexican history.
SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH are you crazy!
You can't go around throwing the S word so casually.
Now people may think I will actually make another video on Mexican history which isn't really the case. I just wanted to cover this specific topic for a while and it just so happened to really well correlate to my earlier video.
Lastly yeah, the AH would have been a much different place under Maximilian, who knows maybe even existing to the modern era.
@@MLaserHistory hi umm, if at all possible could I request more on Mexico, plz? Lol I totally understand if you've got different topics already planned out though ✌🏼😁
@@lenny7822 but who knows how long slavery would've continued for? 🖕🏼🤣
@@lenny7822 and wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in China??
Artur M. I see you watching history vids all the time dude especially when it’s Polish history
Poor guy, he seems like the ideal monarch well sort of
Yeah it really depends.
His cousin, Pedro II of Brazil, was the perfect monarch in my opnion...they both have a sad ending
monarch that doesn't inspire respect or at least fear will finish under the guillotine and that is a fact!
Sadly while he was veru well capable of being a monarch, he was maybe too much of an idealist
today's the day, Rest in peace Maximilian, as a mexican I am truly sorry what this country did to you and your good intentions.
@Lord Ass oh just shut up this man isn't a traiter just for his own opinion and
he is just sorry for maximilian
as a mexican who rejects the us, i respect you, viva iturbide, viva Maximilian
As a Mexican, womp womp, he had skill issue
If only someone would make a big chart of all these monarchs 🤔
You mean the whole two of them that ruled Mexico ? :D
If only there was a UA-cam channel that deals specifically with tracing the royal family trees
there have only been 2 monarchs, Santa Anna (he considered himself as a monarch) and Maximillian I
@@Tower_Swagman, what about Iturbide? He was Emperor of Mexico during the 1st Empire.
Santa Anna wasnt a King, Iturbide was. Santa Anna just was a ridiculous Man that wanted to be called a ridiculous title, nothing official
And now you know why beer and polka music are so popular in Mexico.
There was a big German and Austrian immigration before Maximilian. Mostly to CDMX.
That explains that song called "Anita"
Polka was already popular in Mexico in the 1840's.
AND MARIACHI (from the french Marriage, they were wedding musician)
@@ssach7 You're wrong, completely wrong
A Monarch of The People but unfortunately, it was The Wrong People.
If you still want to switch, we'll send you Franz Ferdinand instead ?
Benito Juarez was a short-sighted guy that has is due under a military commander and shit goes on.
El Redentor Juarez was short sighted because he stood a whopping 4’6”.
Alternate history time! What if, by some miracle, the Conservatives and Maximilian won?
Chess-Playing Skeleton All would be right with the world.
May God bless Maximillion Emperor of Mexico.
Rest in peace your majesty.
@@nayibgonzalez6906 lol Rest In Pieces Viva Mexico cabrones
@@nayibgonzalez6906 lol Rest In Pieces Viva Mexico cabrones
He was a puppet of France but the Mexican people cut the strings off
@@batmanismexican1873 And juarez was an american one, Your point being?
Nice touch putting Juventino Rosas' ''sobre las olas'' waltz as background music, not many mexicans know this beautiful mexican classic
You're the first one to catch on :)
Your Mexican videos are on point. My goal is to get as many world history teachers as possible to show them to their students. (Good thing you said "poop.")
I am sorry but cannot guarantee such behavior in to the future.
As a Mexican, and as a history major, I really really am grateful that this excellent video exists just so I can explain my country's history more easily with foreigners
I want a Netflix series of Maximilian
Long story short he was a puppet from France but the Mexican people cut the strings off💥
Did you know the Spaniards were conquered by the Arabs and Moors from 711 to 1492
@@batmanismexican1873 They gained a stronghold in those years but it was unstable, as time went by, the Muslims kept losing territory to the Kingdoms Leon,Castile,Aragon, and Portugal.
So they can turn him into some ooga booga?
@@IVPixel racist and unnecessary
Mexico would've been better if Maximilian stayed in power. He may have been an Emperor, but he still cared for the Mexican people.
Hard to say. The problem with monarchies, specially the ones that are controlled by other empires overseas, is that you can get a great guy like Maximilian, or more likely, you can get a shit-bags that are nothing like him. Hell, they sent Maximilian thinking that he would be a poppet with limited power, he just turned out to be more than that. On the long run, I still prefer a democratic republic over a monarchy.
I agree. Even though Maximilian was a foreigner, and short-sighted/small-minded, he could've made Mexico a great country. Besides, Napoleon made him emperor by threatening and/blackmailing the mexican people to vote for him. Also, he used him in attempt to expand his empire. When you think about it, Maximilian was the victim. "Maximilian, you will always be a great emperor to me". LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!
Reminds me of Pedro II of Brazil. By all accounts a man who truly cared for Brazil and it's standing in the world, who loved his people so much he refused to resist the republican coup that only had a majority of support from northern landowners and politicians.
There's nothing wrong with an Emperor. Monarchy is not the "bogey man" it has been potrayed as in much of the world. Sure there is a chance you may get a "bad" Emperor/King, but generally bad monarchs were bad for the nobility and elites. Historically, the common people have faired much better under monarchies than "democracies."
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton I agree.
Siendo mexicano realmente admiro a Maximiliano, aquí es querido y recordado por muchos ya que a pesar de ser extranjero tenia mas patriotismo que muchos políticos actuales, es triste
Fue el mejor líder del país, el era un verdadero liberal y hombre de la ilustración.
El tenía la integridad que ningún otro líder de México a tenido hasta este día.
@@ilo3456 entonces por qué lo fusilaron?
@@santiagoo.7143 porque el masón de Juárez hizo el trabajo sucio de sus amos anglosajones.
@@THRIFTY y Maximiliano de los franceses de esa manera ninguno estaba bien pero los anglosajones no invadieron directamente en su gobierno
@@santiagoo.7143 Porque era extranjero, el pensaba que el pueblo había elegido democráticamente traer a un monarca, aún así asumió las consecuencias, se disculpo y aún así antes de morir considero a México su nueva patria
I was recently in Austria and visited the Hapsburg Imperial Crypt in Vienna. Maximilian's tomb is adorned with flowers, prayer cards and a Sombrero. AEIOU🇦🇹KuK
This is like the Greeks executing Socrates
Well, the Athenian gov't did execute Socrates
Dudun Dun
I think that's his point. Its a tragic execution of a great thinker by a callous government.
Greeks executing greeks, Mexicans executing a foreigner/invador (Austrian) not the same lol.
Socrates was not a saint....
Socrates though intelligent had his faults in philosophy...
I was waiting for a video about this subject. Such a peculiar event. Thanks for covering!
No problem I was always fascinated by this event in general. Growing up in a country ruled by the former Habsburg monarchy I always heard of tales "Those Mexican killed our King!" or something. I was always confused by how ta hell did an Austrian get to Mexico and why would the Mexicans kill him. After learning about it I thought it was a very peculiar event that if it had gone differently could really have drastically impacted NA history.
Hence why this topic was actually on my list for 2 years now. I just never really gotten around to doing since I was always busy with something else. So it's finally here, I hope people like the video.
He was such a good monarch. If only he had united Mexico...
He was a puppet from France but the Mexican people cut the strings off💥
@@batmanismexican1873 you're such a dumbass
@@batmanismexican1873 His intentions were good but yeah he was moraless a puppet for napoleon III
@@batmanismexican1873 But cutting the strings also made your country go to shit as napoleon III was helping modernize france the same way maximilian wanted to modernize mexico
@@batmanismexican1873 😂you probably studied chicano studies once huy
The mexicans seemed to have remembered a connection to austria in 1938: Mexico was the *only* nation that issued a formal written protest against the annexation of austria by germany in the league of nations.
In recognition of that, after WW2 a square in vienna got renamed to Mexico square.
Fun fact Mexico was also the only one that vehemently opposed the Italian invasion of Ethiopia
So far, both Mexico and Ethiopia have stations for public transit named after one another.
Also fun read, Japanese Mexican diplomatic relationships
This piece of history would surely make a fantastic Netflix series!! The life and death of emperor Maximilian feels like a story from George RR Martin.
half of the story your mentioned written by George RR Martin would just be sex scenes. Guy can't write anything original. In Game of Thrones he literally took the War of the Roses in real history and retold it throwing some Lord of the Rings fantasy elements in it
Long story short he was a puppet from France and the Mexican people cut the strings off
@@solinvictus4367 fok Maximilian
The Habsburgs had a tragic history.
@@solinvictus4367 you clearly haven't read the books.
Mexico: *starts getting better*
USA: Not on my watch!
Stay tuned, the revenge is coming around the corner.
We're gonna take our Mexican lands back!
Watch and see.
As a Mexican, I thank the USA for that. Rather have a somewhat corrupt democracy than have a King. Only God is King.
@@rickkcir2 Honestly considerating the state the country was on I rather take the emperor that liked us, over the corrupt politicians that were way too friendly with the country that stole half of our territory.
After all the wise socrates said so himself... in democracy we never choose the best leader, but rather the one that is charismatic and makes nice promises even if in the end he doesnt fullfill them. Sfter all since our votes hold the same value, two stupid people have more power than an intelligent person.
Delusional bait take Rick
@@rickkcir2 I mean you
Everyone hates on monarchy but when it works it works wonders. You just need the right guy. For my country this was Dom Pedro Segundo. He loved his country more than any elected official that has come since.
Greetings from Austria, didn't know we had an 'Emperor of Mexico'!
:-o
Yes! His body is in the royal crypt in Vienna. I saw it and it was one of the few with many flowers on it.
Tom Hahnl apparently people from Mexico occasionally go to Austria and visit his tomb and leave gifts and memorabilia
And the brother of one of the most relevant figures in Austrian history.
this is a sad story
Great video!! As a Mexican passionate for history I think it really does justice to one of the most important characters of Mexican History explaining context and giving a balanced review on him.
¡Viva mi Emperador, Maximiliano Habsburgo!
I must admit, I find myself somewhat rooting for him actually.
Then how did an Austrian became the Führer of Germany?
not get into art school
You mean an awful square mustache?
Except he was from Innviertel, which was originally a Bavarian land that Austrians conquered during the War of Bavarian succession :)
By:
-getting german citizenship through volunteering for their army instead of the army of his own country of origin,
-joining a party afterwards,
-getting voted for by not even the majority of the germans,
-being lucky that no coalition was able to form
-being lucky a second time, in that the only "checking" body in the national assembly takes itself out because of quarreling and thus
-prompting a direct appointment of said non-majority winner as chancellor by the german president.
Easy right?
And yet they still to this day blame the austrians for not accepting him into art school as the reason... 😉
In Mexico City and many other states, Mexicans don't have a holiday for "5 de Mayo". I think the holiday is out of Mexico, mainly in USA where maybe is confused with Mexican Independece day.
Yeah I know, I mention all of this in the description.
The symbolism of the holiday has very much gained a new meaning among the Mexican population in the US nowadays.
As an American I can unironically say that I as well as the Mexican-American kids I knew growing up thought cinco da Mayo was Mexico throwing the Spanish out of Mexico little did we know
Thank you for this awesome content. As a mexican myself, I would say this is a nice summary of the 'Guerra de Reforma' period. I consider 'Maximiliano de Habsburgo' a hero, an enlightened liberal that was ahead of his time. Juarez won the war because he was a friend of Lincoln, both 33 ° freemasons with similar ideologies, and the US supported Juarez presidency with money, supplies and guns.
Sadly Juarez didn't want to get to an agreement with Maximilian, although both were liberals with simmilar ideals, actualy Maximilian was more liberal than the liberal party and Juarez; a gobernment with both of them and without civil war would have been excelent for Mexico.
Also we mexicans DO NOT celebrate 'cinco de mayo', thats a chicano thing. In Puebla state we have some military parades, thats all. Americans celebrate it, we don't.
I would like to see a What If alternative history video about Maximillian staying as emperor.
If the imperial forces defeated the Republicans, Napoleon III would still retreat its troops from Mexican soil, at least the best ones, because of the conflict with Prussia. The Second French Empire would still fall and by that, Maximilian would had lose economic and military supprt.
Let's say Austro-Hungary keeps support on Maximilian and keep him on the throne until the beggining of World War I. Who knows?, maybe the Mexican Empire would be enough developed to support the Central Powers and the final result may had been different.
All of this, only if the U.S did not destroyed already the Empire from inside like they did with the first one.
This is how i see it.
@@joshuachamberlain5083 So potentially there wouldn't be no Pancho Villa raiding Arizona and New Mexico, but the Zimmerman Telegram would have been a real threat with a Mexican Empire ruled by the younger brother of the Emperor of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, so perhaps California, Arizona, my state of New Mexico and Texas may be under the Mexican Empire of they were successful, potentially leading to a world with no Hollywood :0
@@joshuachamberlain5083 Probably USA would have eventually started a war with Mexico because they would have such a different style government on their doorstep.
@@khalidcarrillo1132 I mean that's what he meant by the inside.
@@joshuachamberlain5083 I didn't know the US destroyed it by the inside.
I am from Mexico and it is sad how many treat him as a traitor and think he was and absolutist
Me he dado de cuenta de eso también, en México tratan a Juárez como un héroe y a Maximiliano como un villano
Dios salve al emperador Maximiliano y a Viva el Imperio Mexicano.
@@el_equidistante Patético es apoyar a la agachada narcorepública bananera.
@@el_equidistante why?
Mexico did not deserve Maximilian
Rest In Peace sweet prince😞
The mexicans never asked for him.
@@manuelgearbox7309 I rather have him as an emperador today, instead of the socialist pussy we have as a president.
@ManuelGearbox they actually asked for him
@@drevenypribor6144 The aristocracy yes. But not the Mexican people.
ManuelGearbox The Mexican people slowly grew fond of him for the fact he genuinely loved Mexico
English videos explain better Mexican History than Mexican historians and youtubers
100% agreed, History in Mexico has always been manipulated by the government. I was born and raised in the North of Mexico, and thinks never quite made sense. I remember how teachers said that the Spaniards were the "bad guys" and we were the Aztecs, in the place where I grew up, there was probably 5% of Amerindians if that. so kids would look around the classroom and see the faces of Spanish people more the Amerindians. It was confusing.
@@rungas Teachers in latin america preach anti-Europe sentiment but they ignore that Latinos are mixed, we are the encounter of multiple cultures. If we do not understand that, we will never understand our history.
There is actually a channel called main watchers (they talk spanish btw) that talk about Mexican history that is known and unknown
@@abrahamvargas3272 Main Watchers is good
But Yolo Camotes is better
@@vincenzorutigliano5435 That true
This is literally the first time I have ever heard of this person.
Which is a shame because this is super interesting.
I am an american and have a Masters Degree in International Affairs and somehow have not heard of this.
I feel like schools failed me.
Then you aren't so "smart", i have the bachellor and i know that Maximilian, if you know who was Napoleon III and the Second French Empire you should have heard about him
Being smart is not about knowing everything, but to be always ready to know more.
@@theduke1337 sure about that but if he has a MD in International Affairs and he didn't heard about the Second Mexican Empire is pretty weird
@@mariano98ify cálmate tú. Por lo menos esta aquí aprendiendo 🙄
Mariano Sanchez maybe that’s because it really had no long term effect? Also your condescending tone doesn’t strengthen your point
11:30 “Lose their weapon and supplies“ A.k.a. leaving them at the dirt line of the border, (no seriously that was the US-Mexico border back then) and walking away
Yeah. The border we know today wasn't really walled until the 1950s
Maximiliano made Mexico City the beautiful city it is today. Plazas, streets, pan dulce, the guys who play the music box thingy, BEER, etc. He brought European culture to Mexico that makes CDMX one of the most amazing cities in the world. While his story is tragic, his heart seemed to be in the right place but at the wrong time. I really enjoyed this video.
Marvelous job! As always, I couldn't have expected less from a good documentary creator. Greetings from Mexico (and excellent pronunciation in Spanish) keep up the good work!
And then Porfirio Diaz came in and modernized Mexico by force :v
the only one way possible in México
@@luisalvarado6659 porfirio diaz and maximilano need to fuse together to lead mexico :v
@@CRValtierra yes
I mean, modernization was absolutely necessary
@@Themosquito_ Yeah, but at what cost?
Honestly, thinking that Maximilian could fix Mexico and being nostalgic about it is the most Latin American and completely unreal europhile narrative possible.
Ngl a while back ago I had an argument with my parents saying how things probably could've been better under Maximillian. Their argument was basically "No because Mexico should be free and independent ". Seeing this video makes me facepalm and wanna tell them "See!? He wasn't a bad guy he could've been for the better" smh
Mexico quedaria iqual que el Porfiriato. Maxemiliano era un titere de los Franceses, y el no tendria poder sobre la nacion. De que el sea un monarca liberal y del pueblo vale nada en comparacion a los politicos que lo apoyaban, y eso que los aislo con su ideologia.
@@el_equidistanteDamn you’re comment gave me a aneurysm. Still living on that Monroe doctrine, huh colonizer?
Lovely video and cudos for actually researching the pronunciation. You are, by far, one of the best history channels out there
Mexican Conservatives: votes Maximilian to be the new emperor
Maximilian: I love democracy
Very good video. Altough, like other videos on the topic, you make it sound like if Napoleon III had decided by its own to invade Mexico. He was actually conviced by the conservative Mexicans after years of looking for support for a monarchical project on Europe, and they finally reached after their defeat on the War of the Reform.
Of course Napoleon III wanted to restore French glory and to stop American expansionism on the Americas, but without the initial support of the Conservative Party, plans for an invasion may have been very different.
I think you did a good job overall, and good job explaining the background.
Greetings
I mean if you want to be really pedantic it was more of his wife having contact with the Mexican Conservatives in Spain that truly gave the idea to Napoleon. However, the fact has to be given that this was hist idea in part, saying it was all an idea of someone else wouldn't be accurate.
Plus since it's a video I have to cut certain things and this just happened to be one of them.
@@MLaserHistory Yes, i though it had something to do with omitting things. What do you think it would had happpened if the Empire remained until the end of the Franco-Prussian War?, do you think Austro-Hungary would keep support on Maximilian until the break up of World War I?
@@joshuachamberlain5083, honestly, I doubt Franz would want to support his brother, that would just be admitting to everyone that Maximillian wasn't the inconsquential nobody Franz was so desperate to make him seem. I do think though, that if the 2nd Mexican Empire was to survive, and the 2nd French Empire collapsed, that POSSIBLY Maximillian would make an agreement with the USA to at least leave his country alone or at most, even strike up some economic, military, and/or political ties, as Mexico was no longer a French puppet, and Maximillian was a very liberal ruler. It's possible the two could work out an agreement, and Mexico would be reformed as a modernized, prosperous, and stable state under Maximillian, with some aid from the US. I would imagine that when Maximillian finally dies (Most likely around the time of WW1), Mexico would transition into a Republic, but would still be very liberal, and still allied with the US. And since the socialist PRI government likely doesn't rise in this timeline, Mexico could very well still be a prosperous, fully democratic, and stable society, kind of like North America's Chile. But, that's just my scenario.
I love what your doing please keep it up.
Short anwer: an austrian became the emperor of Mexico thanks to the french
Not entirely. If the Mexicans hadn't faked a vote, he supposedly wouldn't have accepted the position in the first place.
Norbert Sattler yeah but if the French hadn’t intervened the vote wouldn’t have taken place in the first place
Luis castro 1234 And if the US didn’t intervene the conservatives would have won anyway.
Robert Alex there was a little possibility thanks to the Franco-German war that caused an important part of the French armies to go back to France
@@KevinDavis338 that was another problem in Mexico, while most of yhe mecican conservatives wanted to recognize the CSA, Maximilian of Habsburg the head of state hated the CSA and was angered by many of the french ways and in the other side agreed with the liberals in almost everything making his cooperation with the french and mexican conservatives harder
Good work. Will you cover the rule of Porfírio Diaz, who pretty much ruled Mexico from 1876 to 1911?
Sadly I don't plan to touch Mexican history for a while now.
Maybe in the future at some point.
Love this channel, had to sub!
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This is profit in the accounting sense. revenue - total expenses = profit (on the channel not individual videos)
I keep an annual income statement which has never even gotten above -1000 dollars at the end of the year.
This doesn't mean some videos didn't make profit when accounted for individually. The Battle of Karansebes Explained video for one did make profit, 332 (rounding up from cents) dollars of profit to be exact. But over all many of my videos are in large negatives (like the recent Cambridge video), hence the over all profit on my channel is very much in the red.
Hi, I am just curious. What are the expenses? Some video software?
@@Elador1000 Ehhh it really depends on the video. But all videos share some expenses that I divide equally among them as an expense. This would be the subscription to adobe suit, sony vegas and story blocks for stock footage.
Expenses that are than exclusive to each video is background music (story blocks music is shit), certain footage or pictures that I need but are not on story blocks, a subscription to a specific software if I need it for that video (for example I use cinema 4d sometimes) and lastly by far the largest expense is books and research materials. For my Pannonia video for example I spend around 150 dollars just on books.
@@MLaserHistory may i suggest more "click catching" titles for your videos, the battle of karansebes for example had the superlative adjective "dumbest" which i think it's the cause of a higher success. I know it may sound low or unethical but your content is very interesting and well explained and you deserve more exposition. (Loved your videos on the "war of the bucket")Cheers from Italy.
@@theduke1337 The way to frame the titles is always a struggle for me. I want the title to be descriptive of what the video is about but at the same time catchy. This is hard for History videos because well it's not the most catchy subject. Plus if I make the title completely click baty I alienate the people that are searching for the subject because they're interested in it. Like I could name the Cambridge video "Bloody Battle between the Students and Towns People" or something but than it wont show up for people that are searching for the Early History of the University of Cambridge.
@@theduke1337 No, pls no clickbait
As mexican I would like to live in a Kingdom and not in a Republic. But still proud of being a mexican.
As an American I’ve always found the idealism of monarchy and the “just king” really appealing also the strength of a single political figure. However, as with all things the problem is when it’s corrupted and unworthy individuals reign
@@jeck988 as a fellow American kings can go drown in the harbor with their tea but their have been some good ones Pedro the II Fredrick the Great and others I can’t remember right now
actually whole monarchy being bad is an republican propaganda today 1 of every 3 countries are monarchy yet if you look at to top 20 most democratic countries 12 of them are monarchies this is not a coinsidence constitutional monarchies are hundreds of times better than republics even absolute monarchies are better i would say for example look at to middle east which countries are most stable you will see Gulf states plus Jordan which all of them are monarchies meanwhile majority of middle eastern republics has so many problems or wars in short it is super unstable...
but to make more strong point i should talk about constitutional monarchies in republics as may you know you choosing a head of state for every 4 years majority of the time they dont represent all of the country only like half of the voters so naturally they are more biased towards to their casual voters or donators etc which creates easy way to corruption but in constitutional monarchies you have an head of state will rule to day he or she will retire or die and he or she is educated to rule from his or her very childhood so majority of the time they arent incapable so that creates stability for the realm and he or she must be politically neutral all the time so that creates a unity in a sense as well and not to mention her or his job majority of the time ceremonial despite them holding the top job/position in the country which also creates a scenario that politicians has no goal to be at the top so their ego in check and they bow to queen or king every week which also keeps their ego further in chechk they know they cant get to the top
btw sorry for my bad English@@jeck988
Definitely a part of Mexican History I was not aware of, great presentation. Thanks.
Make one for the Empire of Brazil and D. Pedro II plz
Do more like these! This was great!
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Getting rid of Emperor Maximilian was a terrible mistake.
the americans decided that
Maximillian should’ve been emperor of mexico for much more longer
The true ruler in that time, was his wife, Empress Charlotte (Mamá Carlota), until she have to leave Mexico looking for help, and never came back.
She was a wonderful women, not fligthy aristocrat.
I am very interested in Mexico history and colorful culture.Thanks for sharing the video!
A bio pic of Maximilian is needed!! This period of history is extremely interesting, the story of the second Mexican Empire could be very interesting perhaps for Netflix?
Mexico's biggest tragedy. VIVA EL IMPERADOR MAXIMILIANO!!!
No, solo Dios es Rey. VIVA LA REPUBLICA MEXICANA!!!
Cinco de Mayo is not really a major Holiday in Mexico, it is remembered and celebrated, but not a major one; it is more of a holiday in the US than in Mexico.
The reason why the Battle of Puebla stood out in comparison to other battles in the war was because no one expected Mexico to defeat the French army, considered the best in the world at the time, and it was so unexpected that even the generals, such as Ignacio Zaragoza and Porfirio Diaz couldn't believe it. Zaragoza informed President Juarez of the victory, so he declared the day a national holiday. A year later, the French had a siege in Puebla, who was under the command of General Jesus Gonzalez Ortega because Zaragoza had died of typhoid fever in the year between the two battles, so when the 1 year anniversary, the Mexican soldiers in the battle took a moment to remember the battle from the year before and the fallen general.
TL;DR: No one expected Mexico to beat France in the battle, so the date became a symbol of hope for Mexicans.
As to why Cinco de Mayo became a bigger holiday in the US than in Mexico, there are theories, such as people from California (many of whom were Mexicans) took the news of the Mexican victory as a celebration; another theory suggests that Porfirio Diaz (who ended up becoming dictator) promoted the day more than any other because of his role on it; the last theory is that American beer companies took the chance to have a new holiday to sell beer in the US.
BTW, amazing job on the video, very well done and informative.
Yeah, we Mexicans in the USA, do not celebrate Cinco de Mayo.
It's the crazy drunk gringos that don't know Mexican history.
It's big on the US because France lost. It's Monroe Doctrine Reaffirmation Day.
Did you guys knew President Juárez was NEAR to make Mexico an American Vassal?
Great video!
Who knows how Mexico would be today had it kept its monarchy at least for a little longer.
Much better way better but america likes to see mexico as a crap country so it wouldent allow it
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No, Hispanic countries just tend to be bad regardless of America.
@@dillonblair6491 america promises Panama independence then betrays them and make a canal oh and mexico had a king who was really good people loved him but america supplied the rebels and now is the crap country that it is as mentioned in the vid central american war yea.. and Ms13 created in california and etc. I dont wna name all of them so..
@@jesussilva7654
We didn't betray them, they immediately got independence and worked a deal to allow us to make a canal.
No we didn't, they weren't rebels, it was the previous Mexican government.
And ms13 is still on you guys. Imagine Americans heading into Canada, starting a gang against the wishes of the Canadian government and then blaming Canada for it.
@@dillonblair6491 yea...I dont think showing up whit battle ships after the victory and forcing them to sign it is a deal
And yea u right on the mexican goverment they were not rebels
The ms 13 were salvadorian that went to America were they lived it was so poor they had to live doing crimes and when they all got deported Salvador couldent handle them cause they had just finish a civil war the problem is that the side that won the civil war were the ones america helped win over throw the old goverment and to just smash them which a bunch of criminals not giving them a chance to rebuild
At first it felt weird that a Hapsburg prince would be out on the Mexican throne but it makes sense in a messed up historical medieval legalist way.
In case you didn’t know which I was suppressed as well to learn the Hapsburg family didn’t just rule Austria for centuries they were actually the royal house of Spain (weird asf) while today’s Spanish royal family are a branch of the bourbon dynasty of France you know the pens that lost their heads in the revolution. Anyway it was during the Hapsburg era in Spain that Mexico was part of the Spanish empire so as Stated before it could be argued that Maximilian as a Hapsburg did have a legitimate claim to rule Mexico than the Spanish Bourbons .
I'd love to see you do some videos on Prehispanic Mexican history. There's, sadly, very little content about it on youtube that's not low effort, exclusively focused on the Aztec and Maya, or filled with tons of errors; even though there's 3000 years of prehispanic complex societies in the region, dozens of other civilizations beyond those two, etc . The only people who have really done a fantastic job are Kings & Generals and Invicta, whom I helped with his Aztec rank video; so there's a real untapped pool of potential content there (There's also Aztlan historian, but his channel as of now is tiny). There's also more sources then you might think: the Spanish book burnings were devastating, but a decent amount was re-recorded; at least for specific time periods/cultures: there's been ENTIRE books written about single, specific Mesoamerican historical figures, for example, like "Tlacaelel Remembered", "In The Realm of 8-Deer", and "The Allure of Nezahualcoyotl", etc.
Sorry but I don't really know much about the pre-colonial American History. Hence if I ever did a video on it, I would have to do some extensive research to learn about it and since I don't do UA-cam fool time I don't really have the time to spend on that. Which is why I mostly keep to topics I already have some knowledge about. Maybe in the future if I am ever able to do UA-cam fool time I might revisit this topic but for now, it probably wont happen.
@@MLaserHistory Sure, that's understandable. If you ever have the desire to cover it, I'd love to help out: I regularly make like 12+ paragraph posts on the topic on reddit, and as I said, assisted Invicta history for one of his videos on Aztec military rank structure.
@@MajoraZ links plz?
Nice job with this video! need a little better insight on Santa Anna though, he was what he was and did what he dis due to the circumstances of that era, but like Maximiliano, he showed genuine care for Mexico.
Rest of Mexico: you must choose to either be a liberal or be a conservative.
Baja California: Nah.
They just came off of an attempt to be controlled by a crazy American. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Sonora
Plus the area was sparsely populated, hence they really couldn't have done much anyways.
Maximilian only had two sins:
1.- Being a foreigner governing Mexico.
2.- That his blood has not served to seal all the evils that the current Mexico has, corruption, violence, drug trafficking.
I miss Maximiliano and Carlota, I miss them so much...
NOOOOOO MI MAXIMILIANO NO LO MERECIAMOS AAAAAAAAAAAAA
llego por armas francesas y puso sus leyes del 3 de octubre que esperabas
Fun fact: Leopold II of Belgium sent some Belgian troops to guard Maximilian and his wife Charlotte of Belgium. They ended up fighting and dying in Mexico.
That was quite informative
I sometimes wonder how different Mexico would be if we had a good government.
Better if the USA does not intervene
@@oscarborges2777 Even better if we were able to build strong and stable institutions that can resist bad governments and foreing interventions.
I've been where he grew up in Austria
They had to make an appointment to speak to there own parents
Poor mexico, few nations lost that much land so fast.
1:04 as a Mexican, I totally agree, the summary of our history basically
I have always felt terrible for Maximilian I and this just makes me feel worse.
Proof that monarchies works
So according to history Mexico has never been stable since its independence...
Depends on how big of a timestamp we're talking about. For example after the second French intervention was over Mexico was pretty stable for a bit but then there was a coup.
Before that Mexico was kind of stable if we're talking like on a timescale of years but on a timescale of decades yeah Mexico wasn't a very stable country through out history.
@@MLaserHistory the root cause is that the spanish just didnt govern well and there weren't many strong influential Mexican leaders. They didnt have a George Washington, thomas Jefferson, etc to start off good and let others carry the torch and lingering political animosities always resulted in war instead of compromise
@@Spongebrain97 Morelos was arguable one but he got captured and killed.
@The Elven Biker even though I don't like the idea, it is probably true, same idea they had with Maximilian.
@The Elven Biker You make it seem like Mexico is so back tracked and unstable like if it was Somalia, or Yemen. Mexico is the 15-11 economy out of 195 countries in the world. That's pretty fucking good. The problem is distribution. (But tell me what country doesn't have economic inequality? Even in The U.S the rich are insanely rich and take 80-90% of the wealth.)
Obviously corruption is a big reason why Mexico hasn't become what it really can be. The biggest corporate being corruption. ( We can also argue that The U.S had much to do with that, look up operation fast n furious or that huge JP Morgan ship that was raided which was full of drugs. This all kinds of other shady shit it's neighbors to the north do.)..But yeah at least Mexico's corruption is transperant, and we can all see it, unlike many so called good countries.
As for the cartel violence, yeah it's a sad reality, it's a double edged sword that even U.S citizens are to blame, after all their appetite for these drugs is big. If you've ever been or already know, you'd realize that the violence tends to happen in the rural areas and unpopulated places in Mexico. You can't forget that Mexico is huge, rank #15/195. If you go to it's large cities or developed towns you'd realize that it's just as advanced as many so called first world countries. The point is that yeah Mexico has many problems, as does every country, but believe me it is a million times better than than most other countries in the world.
Actually, there were 3 combats in Puebla. The battle of May 5, 1862 was not irrelevant. This delayed the invasion by more than 10 months, giving the Liberal government time to prepare for resistance. Even more impressive was the combat for the same city of Puebla the following year, from March 16 to May 17, 1863. 60 days in which the city withstood the superior firepower of the French army. A Chassepot rifle had an effective range of 1,600 meters. A Brown Bess of the Mexican army could reach 250 meters. With artillery there were similar differences. For this reason, the defender, Jesús González Ortega, resisted inside the city to force the French into hand-to-hand combat, so that the Zouaves faced the Mexican machetes once more. Battalions from all over the country gathered in the city, forging a national spirit of resistance. 21 thousand defenders against 35 thousand besiegers. Although the French captured the city, many of the Mexican officers managed to break through and escape to fight again. In my opinion, the siege of Puebla in 1863 is the most epic combat of the Mexican army during the 19th century and it is unknown by many academics. Dwarf any combat of the War with the United States. After the withdrawal of most of the French army, the third combat of Puebla took place, on April 2, 1867, with Porfirio Díaz defeating Maximilian's army.
Hello, very good video... Would you please make one where they tell us how Guatemala lost Chiapas at the hands of Mexico? Greetings.
God bless you
And
Thank you
4:36 Just to point it out, 5 de Mayo is not really celebrated in México, only in Puebla where the battle took place and for some reason in the US. In Mexico it's just commemorated in schools. I can go as far as saying that May 10th (mother's day) is more celebrated than May 5th.
I don't know why americans got the idea that 5 de Mayo is a celebrated date in México, I remember hearing in the news since when I was a kid that 5 de Mayo was even confused as our Independence day, which is on 16 de Septiembre (September 16th).
I'm just mentioning this 'cause you pointed it out as being kinda of a random battle to have a holiday around. I mean, you could even go to EN Wikipedia and just read the first three paragraphs of the 5 de Mayo article to realize that is more of a US holiday to celebrate Mexican-American culture than an actual Mexican celebrated holiday.
It's because it's Monroe Doctrine Reaffirmation Day.
Please make a part 3!
Maximliano quería mucho a México, lástima que México no lo quería 😪 uno de los mejores gobernantes de nuestro país él y Carlota 🇲🇽
Pues la gente si lo quería, pero pues los liberales fueron los que no querían paz, ni unidad del país ellos querián ser los que estaban en poder, que se chingen los demás.
Other thing, that was the second french intervention, because we already had a war with the french before in which they won making us pay more debts, that one started because of a bakery
The Pastry War.
*El 5 de Mayo* became popular thanks to Porfirio Díaz, the actual capable general whom defeated the French. He was forced to not pursue the retreating French force by Zaragoza (which was a huge mistake) ... well the reason why the holiday is celebrated is that Porfilio Diaz later became the president and later dictator of Mexico, and used his victory as a political token, declaring it a holiday in Mexico.
In an alternate timeline, the USA didn't interfere and Maximilian I stayed in power and was recorded in History as "Maximilian the Great".
In spite of all the problems you point out, Maximilian was one of Mexico's best leaders and I believe he would have clearly been the best if Mexicans would have preferred union to quarrel, probably leading Mexico into the First World. I don't know what the long term outcome would have been since a strong and prosperous Mexico is not in the US's best interest, probably not today and definitely not in the 19th Century. Besides, a Habsburg Emperor in Mexico would probably have lead to Mexico entering WWI on Austria's side and them losing more territory to the US in 1918. They might have even joined WWII on Germany's side to look for payback and who knows what might have become of Mexico after 1945.
Or maybe not, he may have chosen to distance himself and his country (Mexico) from the wars happening in Austria-Hungary and chose neutrality (or declare war against Japan during the final years of WW2 to help Americans liberate southeast asia and pacific islands from the Japanese)
the way Franz Josef is looking at the camera when you say "yes, that franz josef" you know that rascal is gonna be up to no good
Hey! What source did you use for the information regarding Mexico's Finance Ministry being under the control of the French government? (around 8:06-8:15). I'd love to include it in one of my research papers
The Greatest Monarch ever.
Manny people knows that there's decendents from Austrian people in Mexico due to the french intervention even some people said that Maximilian had daughters and sons in Mexico ,, ☺️🙂
Maximiliano couldn’t have children they even adopted some Indigenous kids now there’s was a rumor he was the problem and not his wife and apparently Carlota was having an affair with a high ranking military officer and got pregnant by him and she gave up the baby but there’s has never been any evidence that happened or any documentation to back up .
@guatmanteco indio pobre color kaka sin Chiapas are you sure it was Iturbirres children and not some indigenous kids? I might be wrong but I’m %100 positive he didn’t have any biological children and what happened to those adopted children? because all I know Carlota went back to Europe and never came back to Mexico .
M Laser, can you please make a video on Romanian history?
Don't worry, most of mexico's history is total chaos
Yeah I have noticed.
It's like everyone in Mexico is always very strongly adamant about doing "something" but they can never agree on what that "something" is.