@@im-bad-at-games9639 Yeah I was just reading the tooltip and I don't see it mentioned anywhere it does say it ignores range falloff but not that it isn't reduced by armor %. I wonder if that is intended or not / to be fixed
Yeah no this is straight up misinformation. Spirit armor doesn't work against her because the damage of crackshot is weapon damage that scales with spirit, not spirit damage. But bullet armor fully works against her. A target dummy with 79% bullet resistance took 23 damage, while another with 0% took 115.
Her bounce pad stun can easily be dodged by jumping high in the air. Similar to Abrams charge they cant hit you midair Her barrel spam is the worst thing when executed well, i usually use warp stone and hope to get off the stun chain, or use Curse to hard counter her, Silence Gryph also work as an alternative.
That’s a good point! I like to think about counters in terms of their “value” which increases based on how many enemy heroes it’s good against. For instance restorative locket is good against Calico, but also Abrams. If I see them both I will be very happy to get the melee resist. Reactive barrier works great against Bebop hook, ivy stun, seven stun, vindicta stake. If I see a lot of those names on the same team I know I’ll get good value out of the counter item because I’ll be getting CCd a lot and want that shield.
Metal skin is always a good pick against a lot of high bullet heroes! I focused more on early game counters strategies. Metal skin is great but at 3k it’s a hefty price to pay. Worth it tho against crazy fed Haze
Some Calico players like to insta light melee after the slash, bcs it is unpredictable. If you see them do it 2-3 times it is a good idea to insta parry when you see a slash.
Also, you CAN'T dodge barrels from a good holliday since she will jump melee them to your face, and they will explode instantly. The only counter to this is hoping she misses😂
Dude I'm sorry, coming at this as an ascendant player, this advice is on the right track but needs some work. The Calico part is good, though not many people use locket against her or the high ground. As far as the other heroes, you got how they function wrong at the moment, and I expect the community to catch up on how to usethem with time. For Vyper, she stil has the most disgusting DPS out of any hero so barely any can really stand up to her close range until she shoots long enough to get her massive spread; however, her fall off range is by far the worst in the game, so you need to abuse that. Don't get close to the Vyper, your goal in lane is to trade from a far and if you are able to push your wave get on top the bridge since she can't do anything to you there especially in solo lanes. If you ever get below 200 hp in lane she will use two and keep that always in mind. Holliday, you focus on the crackshot, but gun Holliday isn't the best at the moment and crack shot isn't much of a problem atm, instead people play spirit and juggle you with barrels for insane spirit damage, they'd jump barrel punch it down to explode and knock you up and repeat that until you are dead, they can bounce pad from close range by instantly dashing after they jump from the pad or just warpstone. If that happens in your games you want spirit resit and debuff reduction to make her barrel juggling less effective, warp stone uis very good to get you out of the juggle or sylence glyph to stop it instanyl. if she's juggling you in very close range you can also try to parry her while she's punching her barrels, hoping it paries the punch. Last Sinclair, be cautious getting close to him, good Sinclairs will try to get close to you for easy vexing bolts or spawn the assistant right on top of you so it can bolt you point blank.If you are using cover in lane he will probly try spamming the angle to deal high damage when you peak while he uses melees to cs. Also focus on macro and keep your lanes pushed. Sinclair is the best split pusher in the game right now, you let him get close to a walker he can delete it in seconds.
Thanks for adding to the conversation! I'm only in Oracle and I haven't seen anyone play Holliday quite like that. These are great tips though! I'll keep them in mind and pass them along.
Haha keep your distance from him but running isn't easy when he moves so fast! Extra regen will keep his 2 from executing you and builds into return fire which is really good against him
Definitely had some rough games this week lol. The community is still small though I’m just happy to see the game move forward and closer to full release
Remember, DO NOT buy armor agaisnt holiday, her crackshot bypases it.
Smart! I didn't know that! Pretty scary
@@Swishtari to be fair she says "armor is not gunna save you"
@@im-bad-at-games9639 Yeah I was just reading the tooltip and I don't see it mentioned anywhere it does say it ignores range falloff but not that it isn't reduced by armor %. I wonder if that is intended or not / to be fixed
Yeah no this is straight up misinformation. Spirit armor doesn't work against her because the damage of crackshot is weapon damage that scales with spirit, not spirit damage. But bullet armor fully works against her. A target dummy with 79% bullet resistance took 23 damage, while another with 0% took 115.
@@Swishtari You are correct, it doesn't bypass armor. I dont know where they got that info from.
Restorative locket is also pretty good against Vyper, as it instantly gives you health upon activation to dodge that nasty venom ability
Good catch, restorative locket is really good for getting out of that execute range. Not sure spirit resist or melee resist is as helpful tho
In addition to slowing hex, Mystic Slow and or Slowing Bullets makes Lyzard look like its running on a treadmill
Love me some slow roasted lizard stew
@@SwishtariInfernus: “That can be arranged”
I was here for the Holliday section. Unfortunately the meta has already shifted toward a barrel spam combined with jumpad, which can be abused
Yeah at close range those barrels chained together are a death sentence. Hopefully there is some kind of diminishing return on chained knock ups soon
Her bounce pad stun can easily be dodged by jumping high in the air. Similar to Abrams charge they cant hit you midair
Her barrel spam is the worst thing when executed well, i usually use warp stone and hope to get off the stun chain, or use Curse to hard counter her, Silence Gryph also work as an alternative.
@@narucchii7725but can she drag you down to the ground like abrams ult?
@@humanbeing418 With her bounce pad? I don't think so. Unless she used phantom strike on you before landing
Omg I played against my first Holliday using this today and that was NOT kosher lol
Great video man👌🏻
great and informal video, i also love seeing your cat in the background
Thanks Emerald! My cats are the true stars I’m hoping I can get them on camera more
Comment here if there is a counter I missed! Thanks for watching!
Issue with the New Heroes is that once you focus in countering one hero, you'll have a VERY hard time to still be able to counter the other Heroes.
That’s a good point! I like to think about counters in terms of their “value” which increases based on how many enemy heroes it’s good against. For instance restorative locket is good against Calico, but also Abrams. If I see them both I will be very happy to get the melee resist. Reactive barrier works great against Bebop hook, ivy stun, seven stun, vindicta stake. If I see a lot of those names on the same team I know I’ll get good value out of the counter item because I’ll be getting CCd a lot and want that shield.
Great video swish!
Cheers bro thanks for watching!
I feel like metal skin can be pretty useful when pushing vyper as well
Metal skin is always a good pick against a lot of high bullet heroes! I focused more on early game counters strategies. Metal skin is great but at 3k it’s a hefty price to pay. Worth it tho against crazy fed Haze
Some Calico players like to insta light melee after the slash, bcs it is unpredictable. If you see them do it 2-3 times it is a good idea to insta parry when you see a slash.
Also, you CAN'T dodge barrels from a good holliday since she will jump melee them to your face, and they will explode instantly. The only counter to this is hoping she misses😂
Yeah the quick slash does happen quite a bit as well but its a risky parry! The jump melee I haven't seen yet that must be a very high level play
Thanks for adding to the conversation!
Withering whip is a great counter against Vyper and debuff reducer/remover against magician.
Oooo ya the de buff remover for the bunny 🐰 that hex is always followed with a lot of pain
Good content
Thank you Forrest!
Withering Wisp on Vyper is a tremendous Shutdown.
That’s a good item I don’t use often enough, good point
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Why do people keep refering to Vyper as a he when day 1 she's had her background fleshed out
I forgot sorry!
The character looks like a he just like everybody calls talon grandma
Dude I'm sorry, coming at this as an ascendant player, this advice is on the right track but needs some work. The Calico part is good, though not many people use locket against her or the high ground. As far as the other heroes, you got how they function wrong at the moment, and I expect the community to catch up on how to usethem with time.
For Vyper, she stil has the most disgusting DPS out of any hero so barely any can really stand up to her close range until she shoots long enough to get her massive spread; however, her fall off range is by far the worst in the game, so you need to abuse that. Don't get close to the Vyper, your goal in lane is to trade from a far and if you are able to push your wave get on top the bridge since she can't do anything to you there especially in solo lanes. If you ever get below 200 hp in lane she will use two and keep that always in mind.
Holliday, you focus on the crackshot, but gun Holliday isn't the best at the moment and crack shot isn't much of a problem atm, instead people play spirit and juggle you with barrels for insane spirit damage, they'd jump barrel punch it down to explode and knock you up and repeat that until you are dead, they can bounce pad from close range by instantly dashing after they jump from the pad or just warpstone. If that happens in your games you want spirit resit and debuff reduction to make her barrel juggling less effective, warp stone uis very good to get you out of the juggle or sylence glyph to stop it instanyl. if she's juggling you in very close range you can also try to parry her while she's punching her barrels, hoping it paries the punch.
Last Sinclair, be cautious getting close to him, good Sinclairs will try to get close to you for easy vexing bolts or spawn the assistant right on top of you so it can bolt you point blank.If you are using cover in lane he will probly try spamming the angle to deal high damage when you peak while he uses melees to cs. Also focus on macro and keep your lanes pushed. Sinclair is the best split pusher in the game right now, you let him get close to a walker he can delete it in seconds.
Thanks for adding to the conversation! I'm only in Oracle and I haven't seen anyone play Holliday quite like that. These are great tips though! I'll keep them in mind and pass them along.
How to counter vyper: "Outdps it lol, you can't get away".
So... there's no counterplay to vyper.
Haha keep your distance from him but running isn't easy when he moves so fast! Extra regen will keep his 2 from executing you and builds into return fire which is really good against him
@@Swishtari Vype's a girl btw
Yup sorry I keep forgetting thank you
good vid
Thanks Dibs!
slowing hex disables Ava because it does damage, and ava cant be used for a little bit after you take damage
Yes that makes sense so any time you take damage it locks you out from using Ava
all these heroes made me want to uninstall honestly especially with the turbo tryhard sweats out in full force
Definitely had some rough games this week lol. The community is still small though I’m just happy to see the game move forward and closer to full release
Calico is so brokennnn😭😭
She is so fun to play with the cat sounds tho 🐈😸😹
Fr even shiv prenerf not even close to her bullshi kit
But Vyper is a queen. Not a king.
Tru I messed up Vyper is a queen 👸
Viper is a girl lol
OMG I forgot sorry I am stupid!
WHERE IS RASPUTIN
He makes a short appearance at 6:05 😅
vypers a lady :p
Tru I messed up Vyper is a queen 👸
Cry
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