Scientology E-meter Debunked.
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2013
- As a teenager I became involved with Scientology thinking it was going to raise my IQ, help me overcome my problems, and eventually turn me into some kind of super human. The thing which use to impress me the most in Scientology was their E-meter, which I once believed had the ability to probe deeply into the human psyche, and help people discover their subconscious mental blocks. After working for Scientology as a staff member, I was able to see some of the super humans up close, and what I observed were were many troubled people that thought they were on a path to advanced spirituality, but from my prospective it appeared they were loosing touch with reality.
It always puts a smile on my face when all this cult-like hocus-pocus is debunked with logic and reason.
On the surface you are 100% correct. But there are also hidden uses for the E meter only the top tier members know about.
I liken Scientology to the Freemasons. There are the porch masons who are well meaning but clueless. The main body of masons who are mostly well meaning who know a bit more but are clueless about what the top tier is even all about and what they do. Maybe its for the best but I just think that any organization that tries to take over our government should be transparent and democratic.
Nothing sums up Scientology better than South Park
Richard Noggin Not really. It was one of the best SP's episodes, but they touched the wrong topic. Because the problem with Scientology isn't their stupid myth, it's that they are brainwashing, blackmailing and torturing people.
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!
Same as Joseph Smith. Another bulldink religion.
In fact, all religions are bulldink.
The best religion are the cargo cult religions. John From came and gave us stuff!
And you say this from the point of view of someone who has actual knowledge of sceintology, or who has listened to it's critics and accepted without reason?
I wonder who is brainwashed here? Someone told you that scientology brainwashes, torutres and blackmails people, and you've accepted that to be true. I studied scientology many years ago, and was never blackmailed, or tortured. I'll hold back on the 'brainwashing' from the point of view that all of society is brainwashed anyway. All scientology does, is un-brainwash them. Hence the reason they are considered dangerous.
I agree. The nonsense this video goes on about IS dumb. It show's a total misunderstanding of an e-meter, it's use and scientology itself.
Well said. I saw scientologists once recruiting in Italy, with a large meter in a wooden case, like used to be used for demonstrations in school physics laboratories. My reaction was "But it's just a galvanometer !" And that is all it is.
A galvanometer measures small electric currents. An ohmmeter measures electric resistance. Two different measurements. They are related by Ohm's Law. Skin resistance use to be called Galvanic Skin Response (GSR), which was an error, as the skin doesn't generate measurable electric currents other than what might leak out to the surface from larger nerves, representing at most muscle tone and function.
When I audit people, I use a different device: I have the preclear person insert a brass key into an electrical outlet. If the preclear person is physically capable of walking out of the counseling session, then he/she is 'cleared." For this service, only a contribution is requested - generally $500 for the first counseling session.
Why would i pay you money to basically talk to me let alone 500 dollars. your no where near important enough.
You do realize Hodgkin is being facetious, right?
+Mr.Nekronomikan Sean Shannon wow u really didn't understand this comment attention all did you? he wasn't serious man. smh
+Mr.Nekronomikan Sean Shannon a brass key into an electrical outlet, obviously this would electrocute a person holding the brass key, obvious his comment was not to be taken seriously
M Hodgkin oh hay Kevin! Last week was great. Still can't walk and my left arm is still smoking but I'm ready for Thursday 😏
We used to make these here in NH, didn't believe in it, but their orders kept our business going sometimes when it was slow.
Hey, can you share the name of the company?
Hahahaha - I'm a licensed Electrician... I recently thought that the E-meter must be an Ohm-meter... So I did a search and here we are. Nice work man, I knew it!
Johnny with a Shotgun actually it is an elaborate wheatstone bridge.
Gary Graham Sure - but i'm sure you could still fool the average Scientologist using just an Ohm Meter.
+Johnny with a Shotgun : Absolutely not. However, increase the sensitivity of the ohm meter by over a hundred times and you might. Comparing the two is like comparing the old Univac computer to the modern Imac.
A licensed electrician? Not an electronics engineer then? That's a shame because you won't really understand the circuitry involved. The person in this video doesn't know much more than you either, and if he really has to criticise the e-meter, he could at least get an understanding of it first.
It's not an ohm meter, it's a specially designed gsr meter (look it up). The fact that you can take a crude reading of a persons skin resistance on an ohm meter simply means your meter is working. A gsr meter is able to display tiny changes in that resistance, and when a person is caused to focus on a subject while hooked up to one, changes will be detected any time a topic afects that person. The skill of using any meter is in understanding it. The person in this video clearly doesn't.
It's based on the simple wheatstone bridge circuit. I was an ET in the Navy. I was in Scientology a long time ago, and yes, it's basically an Ohm meter with a sensitivity adjustment knob ( called the "tone arm" in scientology-speak ).
The entire video I thought he had the fucking meter, it was a damn magazine loool
I feel sorry for these sad souls trapped in this cult....
Where is David Miscavige is wife
hilarytg which piece?
Where is shelly
its a bullshitter counter hahahahaha
Thanks for posting this. I could never understand how Dianetics started as a talk therapy without this device. It claimed you follow it's rules and by talking can make a perfect being! Then, just a few years later, you could ONLY make this perfect being using Dianetics WITH the E meter device. Yet, it was a "science". Hubbard was basically a liar, a many times he contradicted himself and gave the game away!
Damit I did one of these and I realized a second in that my pressure could mess with it and I began to mess with the woman doing it! Arggggggg this makes me crazy
Just finished reading Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright. This tome answered alot of my questions about the real history of Hubbard and Dianetics.. Great vid. .. thanks !
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You hear how they do that pinch test at the beginning to make a person believe the E-meter is reacting to something. That would directly affect the resistance reading by adding a second person in the circuit. What a scam.
upon using e-meter where do I put my feet?
Its true that the E-meter is simply just an ohm-meter or more specifically a "wheatstone bridge", which is the simplest component of a polygraph. The E-meter itself technically serves no real purpose at all other than helping an "auditor" evaluate ones psychological vulnerabilities.
But it doesn't. It doesn't help at all, because it doesn't give a truthful evaluation.
I hope you are watching the current A&E show about Scientology by Leah Remini.... fascinating stuff, and God bless anyone who was trapped into this stuff.
They should leave their stupid cult and join your stupid cult.
+xandor:
"They should leave their stupid cult and join your stupid cult."
==No, don't join his stupid cult.
Become a pastafarian today and be saved. You will get a coupon for 50 cents off your next purchase of macaroni!
I love how Christians always fail to see the similarities.
Edgy atheism is the new religion.
Don't join cults kids
And today, August 30, 2022, the tax office rendered its decision: all activities of the Church of Scientology are to be considered beneficial to the public at large.
I was with you on the skepticism right up until you said “real lie detector test”.
Yup. Pseudoscientific bullshit.
This is great, but be careful and make sure you do your taxes right....
.....You might get audited.
In psychology this is GSR Galvanic Skin Resistance. It is flakey at best. Anyone that has even basic knowledge of electronics knows what this is and why it is a fake.
This is the video that made me subscribed to your channel years ago 👍🏼
great video thank you for explaining that
thanks for sharing mate
Can you clarify more precisely? I don't understand how you made EM? I only see part of the explanation.
I love you, man! Great work on debunking this "magical machine"! :-D
Thanks Jon. exposing cons is great fun.
It doesn't debunk anything, it only shows up the ignorance of the producer of this video. He could at least make sure he knew what he was talking about before spouting nonsense.
You didn't expose a con, you conned people into believing you knew what you were talking about. If you're going to criticise scientology, then it would be realy helpful to demonstrate a full understanding first. What you're saying is that in YOUR opinion, this is what an e-meter is and does, but then you go on to say things that do not relate to why a scientologist uses an e-meter, or how they use it, and you come up with YOUR idea of what it actually is, with YOUR ideas of what it can't do. If YOUR thoughts on it are right, then how come a gsr meter (which is more accurateky what an e-meter IS) is used in the medical field to help with client counselling? The only con here is you.
Cat Man I keep seeing you people make that claim,that an oHM meter is used in the medical field for counselling. OK.......WHERE?!?! You really seem like you just Want to believe. You people want to find meaning in life the easy way so badly you'll settle for anything. Enjoy any money you have now,while you still can. Good luck and wish you the best,hope you don't end up as another Leah Remini.
So you were in the sea org? How did you get out?
At 2:40 I realized it's not a real one but a picture of a magazine
Can you link to a circuit diagram for this?
Google is your friend....
0:54 Polygraph tests don't measure brain activity either. It traces variations in pulse and blood pressure.
and therefore should not be used in any form...
a nervous honest man couldn't be seperated from
a stone cold liar
@@Atreju120 Agreed.
Heck! Sometimes you don't even have to pay for an ohm meter. I got mine free at Harbor Freight.
Do you know if it's going to rain tomorrow ?
I proved this to one of my friends the other day. Pulled out my Ohm meter, and showed him that his stupid E-Meter was just a Ohm meter and L.R.H. was full of shit!
An E meter is essentially 1/3 of the components of a modern polygraph.
Can you try the mark 8?
It is wrong when he says that a polygraph measures, “thought”. Polygraphs DO NOT MEASURE BRAIN WAVES like this UA-cam poster has stated. (An EEG measures brain waves).
A polygraph ONLY measures wether or not the subject, MIGHT be lying to the examiner. Studies were done over years that measured the physiological changes in a person’s body when they lie and when they tell the truth for baseline comparisons. But MANY things can mimic these same changes - as if someone is lying during a polygraph. If a person has just gone through a trauma, they are sick, under undue stress, are under the influence of drugs, if they naturally incessantly sweat as a normal condition or if the subject of the polygraph is using counter measures to foil the exam, or if their exhibited baseline when they tell the truth is almost indistinguishable from when they lie, or the experience of the examiner. These are only SOME of the problems with even polygraphs. And my all time favorite people that can continually foil polygraphs - sociopaths that can stay cool as a cucumber when they lie and exhibit polygraph readings just like they do when they are telling the truth.
An e-meter is not strictly meant as a lie detector. I know a Scientologist who has been auditing all his life, and knows his electronics. He made a device with electrodes on the head that does measure brainwaves. But while that device gave all kinds of interesting information, he couldn't use that information in auditing, so he went back to using a traditional e-meter again.
Guess what dummy, we all have access to Google as well!!! LMAO
The closest way to see people's thoughts is to MRI scan their brains. Even then you can't tell their exact thoughts, only what part of the brain is active.
The closest way to find out someone's subconscious thoughts is some therapy xD
The size of the probes tin cans provide a larger surface area providing an unstable current.
It is an ohmmeter of sorts is calibrated to the resistance of an average body whereupon the needle will fall in the center of the dial when a completed circuit is made by somebody holding the two electrodes or cans as they are called
Were you involved in the actual "church" of Scientology or just reading books?
I like the points you have made here. I think the cost is the primary issue I have with e-meters. That being said there are "Free Zone" scientologists which don't agree with the corporate David Miscavige/Tom Cruise version of Scientology and they release e-meter schematics online and offer ones for purchase that are significantly cheaper (and in my opinion better looking).
I think it is also quite impractical. What if a Scientologist loses their hands in an accident, or gets very bad burns? Wouldn't that change the skin response in some way? It seems that the cans are a standard size and material, but wouldn't different sizes or the cans at different distances cause some kind of capacitance, effecting the reading?
That being said i think that they believe all the thetan/thoughts having "mass" stuff quite literally which is pretty dangerous. I believe they have already, for legal reasons, needed to state that the e-meter is a religious artifact because at one time they claimed it had demonstrable medical benefits. I think it is alright if they are aware that it is fake and are suspending their disbelief for an auditing session. For example, in Christianity the idea that the Eucharist is literally turning into the body of Christ was created before the enlightenment era notion of "absolute" (ie scientific) truth. I think Scientologists have a right to believe whatever they want for their religious practices, but not to say that thoughts having mass,etc is somehow scientifically proven by the e-meter.
There was an article in the Clearwater Sun (shut down by the Clearwater police on orders of their employer, the church of scientologists for running articles criticizing Scientology) in the early 80's about a Vietnam vet who who had lost both arms in combat. He had been invited in by his daughter who was a member. She had been told that she had to either recruit her Dad or disconnect from him. So she brought him in and they turned him away since there was no way to audit him. She then was ordered to disconnect from her Dad who they claimed rejected Scientology by refusing to have hands. She left the church and then told her story to the Sun. After the article was published she and her father had to go into hiding as they were hounded by the church's goon squad.
galvanometer , with a very sensitive , Null point , so any . any micro volt change , with a totalizer , delay , so the output doesn't oscillate ( sweep ) common problem with unstable , hyper sensitive , nonlinear gain ….. The " E-meter " active mode of operation is what's called a Weston bridge , galvanometer , BUT with a hi gain op amp circuit , so they send .005 milavolts balance the gain so you get a Null ( zero ) then very slight changes in conductivity , will swing the needle , the trick is , the circuit has what known as nonlinear gain , making it self oscillate , due to the built in instability in the gain circuit . so any minor changes are greatly exaggerated , ( the needle moves ) it is a hyper sensitive galvanometer , and designed to be very unstable . after it is carefully balanced , for that persons electrical conductivity , I have a schematic of all 11 versions , but they all utilize a hi gain op amp ( not shielded ) , and all the big iron cores , ( inductors ) are used to prevent stray currents inside the device form oscillating ( self triggering . religious technology , what a load of shit .
Rod, do you know of any off the shelf electronic devices that you would say are equivalent to the E-meter? Thanks for any info.
@@DrJohnPollard Yes a galvanometer used commonly in "lie " detectors OR , any cheep volt meter , turned to 1 meg Ohms range , and two VR resistors , configured , to Adj , for off set . No one with any understanding in electronics would fall for this e-meter gag . Btw
@@rodsims8471 Rod, Thank you for your reply. So, If I wanted to get one, just to goof around with it as a gag. What is a model that would meet your standards as a legitimate copy of the e-meter as far as Weston bridge, and hi-gain whatever. I don't really understand the terms. Looking on the web the people that are selling what they say are equivalent products are in the $250- 800 range or beyond. From what I can tell you would know what would replace those specs at retail electronic costs. I just want something off the shelf that's equivalent from radio shack or China somewhere. Thanks for any leads.
@@DrJohnPollard well legitimate one , would not be a copy ,( fake ) (knock off ) here is a M4 reasonably priced .. www.ebay.com/itm/Hubbard-Mark-VI-E-Meter-Scientology/113484288824?hash=item1a6c30d338:g:2dsAAOSwzqtcIIiW:rk:6:pf:0 , or did you want a custom gag , ( not original ) perhaps one you controls ?
I was in Scientology as an Auditor years ago....for about a year also!
And went to the "org" one day, and wasn't really interested in doing any study that day I guess..
A friend in there,Ray noticed, so suggested I be put on the e-meter....
It's all part of the policy,etc...If they see signs of an engram etc...
So put on it, I went through the test and was amazed how they knew exactly what I failed to that particular morning!
So this guy may have a wrong idea of how it ACTUALLY works!
2 people are trained as highly skilled operators,who know EXACTLY how to read the e-meter. Me,or any untrained person studying the policies has no idea,even if we read the manual!
They as skilled operators know how to read the meter and what it's is saying! Is it pure luck or by chance that they guessed exactly as Ray suggested "the problem might be...?" what Ray assumed, because he suggested it as the possible cause of my lack of focus?
Yes... maybe... maybe not... as they were operators relying on exactly what the e-meter was going to tell them to verify my failure , as evident!
It was said to be like the standard e-meter. but better as you can fool the police version, but the e-meter it's impossible!
As a staff member under a 5-year contract I got tested free, as got all courses free! I left when a Staff member told a student she smoked weed which is a no-no in Ron's books/policies...and the stupid student told on our staff officer,to , the course teacher,who asked her if she was high,and she told her the no-no policy as a member of 'Staff-in-training"! So the student said "nothing wrong with weed!" and at a meeting was told Staff leader was kicked out and would have to pay (15 years of free courses back, each ranging from $50-$100 to 3000 or more) - So I thought best to out before I get kicked out and landed a million dollar debt! I got hit with a $NZ1000$ or more bill but eventually paid some off and it was finally made null after 2 payments and I was reinstated as a "friend of Scientology" not a "recorded enemy" !
I was in Scientology from 1966 to 75 and I was an auditor and what you're saying is pure bunk. There is nothing scientific about the e meter it is based on Hubbards fanciful musings and hunches. No significant body of Science and knowledge is contributed by one man but not so in Scientology only Hubbard is "source". This is not how science works
@@patriciodasilva7902 well that's your opinion and what I said is mine :) AND FACT!
As wasn't interested in course stuff for the day was tired etc and a staff member Ray highly trained and qualified, to detect the state of a person,their mood,attitudes,as he was qualified in the org. as a Touch Assist person...
detected or had the feeling I hadn't eaten so put me on the e-meter and I tried to lie my way through it, but was found out, as...
THE STAFF TRAINED ON IT ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED TO DETECT IF U WAS LYING! SO WHAT I SAID ISN'T BUNK AS YOU CLAIM! :
)
AS A STANDARD POLICE LIE DETECTOR CAN BE FOOLED, AND OBVIOUSLY THROUGH MT EXPERIENCE OF IT IT CANT BE LIED TO!
AND YOU WEREN'T THERE AT THE TIME, I WAS! :)
and where did i say anything about it being scientific!? :)
You can't of been a very dedicated Auditor oh thus has nothing to do with Tax forms or IRD auditing or audits! :)
And as they stress , don't have anything to do with "non-friends of Scientology"!
"This is not how science works"
Of course ...depends of what type of science your referring to!:)
His science is MIND (and mental Health) science :)
So you're saying it works?
@@boblasers2016 Yeah...well it caught me out lying :) The guys behind the e-meter (Operators) were so well trained I guess, as I was informed :)
The Auditor sessions?
Yeah I believe so...but I discovered a means to... :)
Used to always wish I remembered how to do the auditing again...
as it's really a great means for another type of misadventure I won't disclose here! :)
They were reading you, not the device. This is nothing more than a mixture of cold and warm reading, how all "good" psychics and mediums do it. Ask the right questions, listen carefully to the answers (the "hits" and "misses") and watch the body language and it's amazing how much information someone can volunteer without realizing they're doing it. The e-meter is just a prob, a placebo, to make you think they have a real "scientific" method for doing this instead of an age old scam.
The only thing that knows my EVERY thought ..is my wife apparently
Finally something I can show annoying missionaries in my town.
Ohm join the resistance..
Ohm is where the art is.
I wonder if the resistance training you receive in drug therapies where you are aware of the training has anything to add to the truth.
polygraphs are pseudoscience as well..........
what did you use as the conductor
This will sum it all up , define IQ prerequisite ?
Didn't they have one of these in the movie " Napoleon Dynamite"..? LOL
What are the knobs for?
To make it look like the auditor is doing something useful, basically.
Scientology is founded on the premise that for the price of fairly nice sized luxury yacht, you can achieve spiritual salvation. It begs the question that if nature offers spiritual salvation as our natural heritage, which is the most logical prospect, why must it cost money? How could be possible that out of millions of planets with life on them, the only one that has an opportunity for spiritual salvation is this planet, but only if you happen to be rich. I don't think nature planned for spiritual salvation of sentient beings, no matter which planet the reside on, in this fashion.
I knew it.
It also show's how ignorant most of Hollywood is and at the top of this heap is Tom cruise lol john travolta , Will Smith the list is endless.
Well, theoretically, you might be gripping the cans more tightly if you're bothered by a thought.
That's the scam. An "auditor" deliberately ask questions that that will make the subject more uncomfortable. The e-meter is just a prop in the scam.
polygraph does not measure brain waves
Where is Shelly?
So its a continuity counter?
+Adam Adam It's more like a resistance meter.
What a load of crap.
A Wheatstone Bridge.
@Fred Garvin The schematics of recent E Meters available on the Web don't show a Wheatstone bridge. They show either transistors or operations amplifiers simply amplifying and offsetting the signal.
Suppressor!!! 😂
You should open it
Polygraph doesn’t measure brain waves.
But we do have resistance to trauma and it is hurting people
Which is why we have trained therapists who can help you without draining your life savings while doing it. Scientology is a scam.
Where did you get the E-meter?
Can you open it up and list the parts?
I read about the history of this device. The idea comes from ~1850. The idea was eventually junked and L Ron Hubbard brought it back to life.
E-meter? HEHEHEH it just measures your resistance. Anything associated with a true "gadget" has to be phony. Also noticed this E-meter had no markings on the meter scale.
It's the Theathens lying to you, not me.
@iamtchey $20 you got cheated I got mine for $4.50 used one still does the job.
You are treating this subject like an ignorant, sad really I'm out of scientology Sp declared. 25 years in there - seen all the stuff people, going clear talks about. But that the emeter and voltmeter are close to each other. Its like an old brass megaphone and a modern transmitter are the same. Yes OT is not working and CoS an insane place. But please make more home work.
It works with Freud in psychoanalysis why not LRH.
The thing is that Freudian psychoanalysis isn't about abusing people into being mindless slaves. Also, it's good you mention Freud, because that's one of the sources LRH plagiarized, since he was too stupid come up with any original thoughts of his own.
Yeah but the thing is is I actually tried it and I had them turn the meter towards me and while holding the cans, based on how much processing I put into a thought, the meters arrow would move more slowly, and to the fullest extent of my capable ability to think, the meter even stops when I have reached such a thought threshold. I think auditing would work but for most people because it forces you to put yourself in meditation and have a trusted instructor to help you cycle through negative experiences. And they have a way at working underneath the surface of problems to get to the deepest parts. But it’s all based on meditation and how suggestible you are.
I’m not very suggestible so I was very frustrating for them to deal with. I figured out how to manipulate the cans very fast. But it had nothing to do with how they were squeezed. It really did measure thought capacity or thought intensity of some kind.
no it didn't. no relation to mental activity whatsoever. it's measuring how conductive/non-conductive your hands are. period. focusing like you did may have caused your pores to sweat a little more or less, changing what you saw on the meter. nothing about thoughts at all
_"It really did measure thought capacity or thought intensity of some kind."_
It really didn't. There's nothing in those devices that can possibly do that. They have been examined part by part and they're just slightly more sophisticated ohmmeters as suggested in the video. Like it or not, everyone is open to suggestion at some level and an expert "auditor" is going to be able to fool you in the same way that an expert medium can make even skeptical people second-guess themselves. You didn't fall for their scam, perhaps but they still managed to convince you something unusual was happening, and that was all suggestion. (That's not a criticism of you -- I'm sure plenty of skeptics have had the same experience -- it's just a testament to how suggestible we all can be in the hands of an experienced manipulator.)
@@zaphenath6756 thoughts ARE chemical reactions and electricity mashed into an organism. Just like how love is felt, love can be measured just like how thoughts and their changes can be measured using man-made devices.
@@OrganicBass_ ok but not measurable in your hands
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So, if we're just measuring our human resistance overweight folks probably shouldnt try this... LMFAO...
I am shocked and disappointed that you ever believed in such crap,.
It's measuring a physiological response. This is simple. Polygraphs wouldn't work if what you were saying was true. Lack of science sir. This is not an argument for scientology, just against a your poor argument that the meter doesn't register a physical change in the body as the result of thoughts/emotions.
+ChucklesMalone thoughts can alter resistance to current flow somewhat, enough to create analogs on meters, but the interpretation of it is not science, it is pure speculation, and as such, lie detector results are not admissible in many courts of law.
+ChucklesMalone:"Polygraphs wouldn't work if what you were saying was true."
==Polygraphs "work" but they aren't lie or truth detectors. All they do is measure your bodies resistance. If a guy is nervous, he gets sweaty and it starts to look like he is lying. In fact, the entire graph that the machine generates is looked by expert who tries to figure out if a guy is lying or not and it isn't even clear and the expert has to make a guess.
They aren't admissible in court anymore since they have been shown to be useless.
The question is, does this e-meter help the person in some way or is it all just a waste of time. I am certain it is a waste of time.
The scientology thing is just psychotherapy trying to disguise itself as a religion by throwing in talks about thetans and souls.
People are so incredibly stupid that they fall for this crap.
You mean A Bullshit Meter!!!!
scientology e-meter should be banned
First of all those electrodes are to small. You need a bigger can for correct connectivity. In any case I’ve used e meters and it definitely works. I’ve been on both sides. I’m not saying the system is perfect but it has validity if you know what the fuck you are doing.
It's a Wheatstone Bridge/(poor)multimeter with some bells and whistles. I've been under the hood of the mark 5. It's bullshit. And potentially dangerous. The step down that charges the battery has the potential to easily fail causing the battery to blow. The Mark 5 was in use through the 80's by the plate on front. It wasn't even high tech for the late 50's. You could get the same result with a 20 dollar multimeter depending on how tight you squeeze or how much moisture is on your hands.
I know you are attempting to make a point that the emeter is a false way to detect thoughts, but if you want to do a legitimate debunk of an emeter just ask a former scientologist to let you borrow his/hers. And don't start with an anti-hypothesis and present your evidence that is just confirmation bias. First you need a real emeter and then try to duplicate the results, when you can't actually detect thoughts with an emeter, then you have properly debunked it.
Bryan Stark he's stating how it works. It's common sense that this isn't capable of doing what it states it does.
it's common sense that he should use an emeter to debunk an emeter.
+Bryan “Ironman” Stark Esp since an e-meter isn't a low response ohm meter like in the vid. Yes, it detects the same energy but on a lower level. I've seen the e-meter work like it is supposed to way more often than a false reaction. The basic comm/study/selfhelp courses along with e-meter auditing is what gets ppl hooked in the first place, systematic pressure and promises is what keeps one there. Debunking something needs more than just stating: Debunked.
Do we even have to discuss debunking it? It's like trying to debunk leprechauns.
@@Swallowthemoon2 seriously
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While it appears to be true that the E Meter just measures skin resistance, like a standard ohmmeter, this video's claims that it is a scam are not backed up with actual facts, just generalizations and opinions. The video even admits that the E Meter is "more sensitive" than an ohmmeter (it clearly has more amplification to isolate or zoom in on a small range of resistance). There is little mention of the variability either of the E Meter itself or of the validity of skin resistance as a physiological marker of anything interesting. The crucial question remains: are tiny changes in skin resistance actually reflective of emotional or psychological states, or are they reflective mostly of artifact, that is, of other sources of variability?
It's a scam because Scientology lies about how the e-meter works, and charges thousands of dollars for a device that costs, at most, a couple of hundred bucks to make, and probably far less if they didn't dress it up in expensive box with fancy knobs and dials. Scientology is the scam, the e-meter is just a tool to help part gullible people from their money.
missguided people are funny
Misguided people can be funny but they can also be very scary
yes indeed!
You should know!
@@EricDraven-qd9pu Please elaborate
You show nothing about truth!!! A Short circuit or different pressure on the EMeter is practically incorrectly in the EMeter Test...... learn it and not talk nonsense
You have debunked nothing.
You only demonstrated that you don't really know what you are talking about.
In fact the emeter is supposed to measure resistance, true.
Some thoughts will generate energy changes in your electromagnetic field even to the point that your entire body language changes. Don't you think that some of the resistence generated thusly wouldn't pick up on a dial?
LOL
Do you honestly think so many thousands of people who have used Scientology Emeters dont know that they are resistance meters?
Of course they are.... Galvanic Skin response meter. sure.
But without doubt you can clearly see emotional response on an emeter.
it is more sensitive than your multimeter.... but yes it is the same principal.
it was known about in the 1930's.
An Emeter is not only great fun but also very useful for counselling.... no kidding!
you can see areas of upset and blocked emotion .... even though the person does not immediatly recognise them themselves... you can narrow down to particula incidents and go over them and the person does have relief. just is.... Ive built a couple of them a few years ago... and had orignal Emeters.... they are really great!
_"Do you honestly think so many thousands of people who have used Scientology Emeters dont know that they are resistance meters?"_
Absolutely. I don't think you realize how easy it is to make people believe the e-meter is far more than just a resistance meter.
HaHa Haaaa !!!
I am not for or against scientology. But all you have shown in this video is that you do not think it works, and that you are comparing it to an Ohm meter.
If this war a real debunking video, you would have a staff member and a non staff member each doing a demonstration, so we could see what you mean with full instructions.
I was once by a member stopped on the street and took the test for 5 minutes on the meter. And to me it actually seems a bit smart. What I realized was that, it just measures consideration. Or in other words, stuff that is stuck on your mind. And they seem to be able to read it because of this Ohm resistance, to guide you through something doing some scientology thingy. So yes in a way it measures thoughts. And how I understood it from someone from that group on the street, is that you take courses, and when everything is solved, you do not have any considerations that is registers on the meter.
Whether it then is used for good or bad, is a completely different thing.
I am saying this, because I have tested several thousands of devices for companies in all kinds of industries and I am a private audiophile testing gear. And as an also ex 3. line supporter, I recognize that people in general do not test things properly. They most of the time have a preconceived idea of something, that slowly guides them to a desired/likely result with what knowledge is present.
So in order to test something, you have to perform a long list of stuff usually that you do not want to do or find necessary. Then you going through this, have to remove all ideas, for the data to present itself, doing 1000's of tests.
By the way I have also tested lie detectors. And they don't fully work, because it requires some kind of remorse/emotion to be present on the test subject to fully register. So people like Manson and a few others, would not seem like they were lying. So a lie detector can be beaten. How that is done, is also a completely different thing.
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Thoughts do hold charge and have mass. Our bodies are like battery which is why charge in the mind can affect the meter. What are you hiding?
Come up to present time, Nicholas.
You're completely wrong about thoughts.
Scientology says that thoughts have some weight just because that is a simple way to explain the materiality of thoughts. Thoughts may indeed have or have not form and weight in an astral realm as many mystic and religious traditions claim, and as I firmly believe they do, but that's beside the point. The point is that you can indeed use this extremely sensitive and responsive device to have clues about what stresses you the most, what is traumatic for you. Some things are more on the surface, some other more deep buried in the subconscious but I disagree with you: this device works and can be used as a psychoanalytic tool. It is actually an extremely mighty tool if you know how to harness its power. Many people make fun of the mythology side of Scientology and of its connection with UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence but that is clearly due to their extreme ignorance of Religion and of the Higher Intelligences at play in the Cosmos and of the myriad of timeless experiences of the immortal being we call Spirit and that makes us immortal beings with a great potential for progressing on the human levels of spirituality.
You're a fool.
You must be the only thumbs down.
I disagree with some of what u said because im a christian but i do believe the e meter is a usefull tool 4 counseling... I just wouldn't want scientologist to councel me ha. Ive been on one.. They went all the way back into childhood and lifted memories that id forgotten about as the needle jumped in certain areas. Sadly they dont know Jesus so had no power to heal! Opening up old wounds i think can be healing but we cant heal without the power of the Holy spirit.
Its amazing the time,money,and resources that cult will put into convincing people their not a b.s. cult. I wish you the best of luck in life and truly do hope you see the error of finding happiness and meaning in an organization that will supply those things "for a fee". No one that cares and want to help you is going to charge,or control you.
thoughts dont have "weight". ffs....
you haven't debunked anything. thanks for your subjectivity.
This guy doesn't know Scientology, then guesses what it would be, and pretends that his guesswork is completely accurate. This video contains so many falsehoods, misunderstoods and misrepresentations I can't be bothered to write a rebuttal as that would take too much time. I just thumbed it down and advice the viewers to skip this video completely.
Peter there's a guy who used to build them in the comments... maybe ask him what it is if you don't believe this guy?
+Ariel Harmony I did an e-meter course. So I know my stuff. The guy in this video doesn't.
Peter Lol I let my 6 and 8year old girls play with me e-meter so I geuss they know more about an oHM meter than this guy,lol love your maturity. My mom was a women so I'm now an expert on women. Good luck,I wish you the best of luck,and hope the cult don't ruin your life too much near the end. I understand the need to find meaning in life and to think your more than just what you are,you want to be apart of something and find meaning and happiness and apparently you want to find it the easy way. A little tip,when you do find it for real,it won't cost a penny or your friends and family. Seriously good luck.
lol, they got you drinking the kool-aid don't they haha, the E-meter is nothing more than an wheatstone bridge. Wheatstone bridges are what they start you on before learning how to use an actual polygraph machine to get certified (depending on where you go to study of course, my school made us start on the Wheatstone), which the polygraph soon will be replaced by the AVATAR AI. You've been had man, get over yourself and realize you were scammed and wasted your money. I mean if you enjoy scamming people then more power to ya I guess as there will always be a plethora of idiots to exploit, however, just don't pretend it's anything different than that. Just makes you look foolish in the eyes of the educated. Hope everything works out for ya man, be safe. #TheMoreYouKnow
@@streetsidesinger Of course it's a wheatstone bridge. Every Scientologist who did an e-meter course knows this. If you do an e-meter course you have to study the electronic schematic of it so you know exactly why and how it works.
The only misguiding here is by the producer of this video. I've searched the internet for years for genuine criticism of scientology, but all I find is people who don't understand it, pretending they do, then criticising their understanding of it.
An e-meter is only similar to an ohm meter in that they both have a meter dial. An ammeter has different circuitry, as does a volt meter, yet all three look the same.
Secondly, an e-meter is not a lie detector as this article leads you to believe. It's a galvanic skin response meter, and as such it's designed to detect the smallest of changes in skin resistance. If you care to do a google search for gsr meter, you'll find that their are many commercially made units for use in the medical field. If you check any of the data on those sites, you'll find that it is accepted knowledge that a person has no conscious control over those small changes in skin resistance that occur when a subject is questioned. You'll also find that gsr meters prove to be invaluable in assessing a persons condition, basically because they DO help to find areas of a persons life that are troubling them.
The logic that's being missed is that if a person knew what was troubling them, they would be able to deal with it. Many people can show sgns of stress for example, without even realising they are stressed.
As for the comment about being asked a question over and over again, as if the auditor thought the client was being dishonest, have you even read DIanetics? How could the producer of this video claim to have been a scientologist for any length of time, without understanding the real reason a person is asked the same question again and again?
The whole point of auditing is NOT to detect lies, but to detect areas of stress, and the only time a session can be regarded as successful, is when that stress has been detected and flattened, so it no longer affects the subject. If you're being asked the same question again and again, it's to see if it still reads on the meter.
One day, I will find genuine criticism of scientology, but this is not it. All this is, is a demonstration of the producers own misunderstadings.
ps: That comment about the meter detecting thought is also nonsensical. You need firm contact with the probes in order to get a good reading, so laying them on the back of the hands simply would not work. What would happen if you measured the voltage or current of a circuit without assuring firm contact with that circuit? You'd get an inaccurate reading. This video is a criticism of scientology from a person with insufficient knowledge of what he is criticising.
Okay Cat Man. Since you are a defender of Scientology please tell us about your OT power, and who you were in a past reincarnation. Tell us about your exceptionally high IQ thanks to Scientology, Then perhaps you can do an actual demonstration of your OT power for the pubic.
My main motivation in making this video came from seeing the products of Scientology produced super humans up close when I worked on staff, and discovering how deluded many of them were.
I'm sure my video on the emeter could have been a bit more detailed, but I think the bottom line here is that Scientology claims that they can produce super humans with the emeter and an auditor is nonsense.
I think most of us can do far better my studying the wisdom of Jesus, and doing our best to live by those principles rather than wasting thousands of dollars in Scientology trying to become super humans.
Well, I never stayed in Scientology long enough for superhuman powers, so sorry to disappoint, but you really don' need to be in it long to know more than you've demonstrated in this video. To be honest, I do welcome intelligent, or at least knowledgeable criticism, but your video is simply an account of what you believe the e-meter is and what it does, rather than an honest explanation of it. It's rather like me saying that Catholics really believe the priest gives them Christs blood at communion.
Suppose I said that that scene in the exorcist where the girls head spins around is what catholics really believe, what would you think about my knowledge about what I'm saying? You'd laugh, wouldn't you? It's the same. You're portraying somethng in a different light and expectig to be believed, soaking up all the comments you got from those who also don't know anything about it, is this to make you feel good? One day I will see a genuine criticism that I can't argue with, but how can I agree with something that simply isn't true?
I don't think your analogy to what I said is a reasonable comparison to someone claiming to know what Catholics believe. Nor do I believe one needs an emeter to find the root of their problems, but here's another video you might find more to your liking. ua-cam.com/video/DqFRAy_pLIw/v-deo.html
I used the analogy to show how something can be misrepresented. It's kind of like saying that my friends daughter turned 18, joined a cult where she lives only with women, donned dark robes and now refuses to speak to anyone. She married a man who died more than 2000 years ago, and performs a daily ritual where she drinks his blood and eats his flesh. She is now known as sister Mary.
That other video is a little better, but again it's based on the interpretation of the interviewee. If you look at basic e-meter introductions, in the cos, they make it clear that it's based on a wheatstone bridge, a common circuit in electronics. The man being interviewed states what HE thought the meter did, but where is this mentioned in any scientology literature?
I've built a few similar meters myself, using different techniques and components, and as mentioned in the video and qualified by gsr meters, the e-meter does have some validity. The electronics engineer who took one apart also points out that there's not much more he can know about it without knowing how it's supposed to be used in scientology.
It's not a 'predicting' machine, nor is it a holy device that speaks to your spirit, it's simply a meter that measures changes in skin resistance when a subject is connected to it and questioned. What is important is how an auditor uses it. For example, a polygraph (lie detector) does nothing on it's own and the operator must be skilled in his approach to questioning a subject. If you have read 'book one' Dianetics, then you would fully understand the usefulness of such a meter assuming that 'book one' is valid. The meter serves it's purpose by saving many hours, or even years of wasted time.
The purpose of the operator is what should be called into question, not the device itself. If scientology is real, then it's a very useful device. If scientology is a con, then it needs to be exposed. But attempting to expose it with false information, does no one any favours.
I understand you don't think made a very accurate description of the emeter, but I didn't think it was all that bad.
Last year I purchased a Mark 5 emeter at a local sale, so I may do a follow up on my first video.
Some of m+y engrams from 6 trillion years ago were re stimulated by talking about Scientology, so I need to be careful. LOL
I will accept your debunk when you have a real emeter in your hands