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My experience in Scientology 40 years ago.
My experience in Scientology 40 years ago..
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Scientology E-meter Debunked.
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As a teenager I became involved with Scientology thinking it was going to raise my IQ, help me overcome my problems, and eventually turn me into some kind of super human. The thing which use to impress me the most in Scientology was their E-meter, which I once believed had the ability to probe deeply into the human psyche, and help people discover their subconscious mental blocks. After working...
Scientology protesters don't know.
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I don't think there are many people who know the correct way to protest Scientology. Here are a few of my thoughts on the subject.
Miracle stories people have shared with me.
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Having a business in town I'm privileged to hear a lot of interesting stories by some of my customers. Here a couple some of you might find as inspirational as I did.
Ex-Scientology member talks about his experience working on staff. 2
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Just another story I remember while working on staff in Scientology.
Ex-Scientology member talks about his experience on staff. 1
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I remember in the initial stages of joining staff in Scientology was very exciting, but after seeing a woman I worked with having delusions that she was going exterior from her body, I began to consider that perhaps Scientology was unknowingly brainwashing people rather than helping them.
Scientology has advanced medicine.
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Many Scientologists who have only taken one or two courses may not realize some of the wild things Scientology teaches. In this video I'm reading right out of a book by the founder L Ron Hubbard called SCIENTOLOGY A HISTORY OF MAN.
I am skeptical of this device. BUT…. We don’t understand science enough to challenge this hypothesis…. Humans do emit electromagnetic waves which MAY be picked up by the meter. Science always changes. We don’t know what’s in the circuit…. So anything is possible. But so far I have not come across any research which studies the measurements of these mental thoughts. That’s why I remain skeptical…..
Yep. Thoughts have mass and there was definitely a jap sub off the coast of Oregon...
I was with you on the skepticism right up until you said “real lie detector test”.
Yup. Pseudoscientific bullshit.
You have debunked nothing. You only demonstrated that you don't really know what you are talking about. In fact the emeter is supposed to measure resistance, true. Some thoughts will generate energy changes in your electromagnetic field even to the point that your entire body language changes. Don't you think that some of the resistence generated thusly wouldn't pick up on a dial? LOL
You are treating this subject like an ignorant, sad really I'm out of scientology Sp declared. 25 years in there - seen all the stuff people, going clear talks about. But that the emeter and voltmeter are close to each other. Its like an old brass megaphone and a modern transmitter are the same. Yes OT is not working and CoS an insane place. But please make more home work.
Can you try the mark 8?
Well, theoretically, you might be gripping the cans more tightly if you're bothered by a thought.
That's the scam. An "auditor" deliberately ask questions that that will make the subject more uncomfortable. The e-meter is just a prop in the scam.
At 2:40 I realized it's not a real one but a picture of a magazine
Can you clarify more precisely? I don't understand how you made EM? I only see part of the explanation.
what did you use as the conductor
Great to debunk these idiots aka cult only interested in brainwashing people and taking their money…..I loved Hubbard science fiction books, but he lost the plot bringing this crap to the masses….just my individual opinion…😊
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Scientologists have an ALARMING amount of Cancer Deaths. Do you think it's possible the Emeter is the cause? OT8's have about a 70% Cancer death rate. On Cancer.Gov it says any Electro-Magnetic Device can cause Cancer over time...
No. That's makes no sense. The e-meter is no more dangerous than the mobile phone you keep in your pocket all day long. I don't know how often they use an e-meter but it can't be more than a few times a month for a short period of time. Again, you're going to get more EM radiation from your computer monitor or TV screen than that.
This video was great, hopefully you return to make more. Your style of speaking and storytelling on the topic of Scientology is really relaxing and intriguing
Do you know if it's going to rain tomorrow ?
You hear how they do that pinch test at the beginning to make a person believe the E-meter is reacting to something. That would directly affect the resistance reading by adding a second person in the circuit. What a scam.
Finally something I can show annoying missionaries in my town.
In psychology this is GSR Galvanic Skin Resistance. It is flakey at best. Anyone that has even basic knowledge of electronics knows what this is and why it is a fake.
And today, August 30, 2022, the tax office rendered its decision: all activities of the Church of Scientology are to be considered beneficial to the public at large.
Scientology obtains full public benefit recognition in the Netherlands
I dont know how schizo into metaphysics you are (schizo shit incoming) but Hubbard is right about there being a relation between the "spiritual" layer of reality and the world we perceive with our bodies, and it could possibly be measured in some way by tracking purposeful, concentrated disturbances like observing the wake of a ship at sea. That said using an ohm meter and also thinking you can reliably detect lies if you could even measure the displacement is absolutely fucking retarded. And yeah you grip tighter or persperate now your test is inaccurate even if it had any worth in perfect conditions.
Yeah but the thing is is I actually tried it and I had them turn the meter towards me and while holding the cans, based on how much processing I put into a thought, the meters arrow would move more slowly, and to the fullest extent of my capable ability to think, the meter even stops when I have reached such a thought threshold. I think auditing would work but for most people because it forces you to put yourself in meditation and have a trusted instructor to help you cycle through negative experiences. And they have a way at working underneath the surface of problems to get to the deepest parts. But it’s all based on meditation and how suggestible you are. I’m not very suggestible so I was very frustrating for them to deal with. I figured out how to manipulate the cans very fast. But it had nothing to do with how they were squeezed. It really did measure thought capacity or thought intensity of some kind.
no it didn't. no relation to mental activity whatsoever. it's measuring how conductive/non-conductive your hands are. period. focusing like you did may have caused your pores to sweat a little more or less, changing what you saw on the meter. nothing about thoughts at all
_"It really did measure thought capacity or thought intensity of some kind."_ It really didn't. There's nothing in those devices that can possibly do that. They have been examined part by part and they're just slightly more sophisticated ohmmeters as suggested in the video. Like it or not, everyone is open to suggestion at some level and an expert "auditor" is going to be able to fool you in the same way that an expert medium can make even skeptical people second-guess themselves. You didn't fall for their scam, perhaps but they still managed to convince you something unusual was happening, and that was all suggestion. (That's not a criticism of you -- I'm sure plenty of skeptics have had the same experience -- it's just a testament to how suggestible we all can be in the hands of an experienced manipulator.)
@@zaphenath6756 thoughts ARE chemical reactions and electricity mashed into an organism. Just like how love is felt, love can be measured just like how thoughts and their changes can be measured using man-made devices.
@@OrganicBass_ ok but not measurable in your hands
An E meter is essentially 1/3 of the components of a modern polygraph.
Scientology is founded on the premise that for the price of fairly nice sized luxury yacht, you can achieve spiritual salvation. It begs the question that if nature offers spiritual salvation as our natural heritage, which is the most logical prospect, why must it cost money? How could be possible that out of millions of planets with life on them, the only one that has an opportunity for spiritual salvation is this planet, but only if you happen to be rich. I don't think nature planned for spiritual salvation of sentient beings, no matter which planet the reside on, in this fashion.
It is an ohmmeter of sorts is calibrated to the resistance of an average body whereupon the needle will fall in the center of the dial when a completed circuit is made by somebody holding the two electrodes or cans as they are called
The only thing that knows my EVERY thought ..is my wife apparently
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It always puts a smile on my face when all this cult-like hocus-pocus is debunked with logic and reason.
On the surface you are 100% correct. But there are also hidden uses for the E meter only the top tier members know about. I liken Scientology to the Freemasons. There are the porch masons who are well meaning but clueless. The main body of masons who are mostly well meaning who know a bit more but are clueless about what the top tier is even all about and what they do. Maybe its for the best but I just think that any organization that tries to take over our government should be transparent and democratic.
I was in Scientology as an Auditor years ago....for about a year also! And went to the "org" one day, and wasn't really interested in doing any study that day I guess.. A friend in there,Ray noticed, so suggested I be put on the e-meter.... It's all part of the policy,etc...If they see signs of an engram etc... So put on it, I went through the test and was amazed how they knew exactly what I failed to that particular morning! So this guy may have a wrong idea of how it ACTUALLY works! 2 people are trained as highly skilled operators,who know EXACTLY how to read the e-meter. Me,or any untrained person studying the policies has no idea,even if we read the manual! They as skilled operators know how to read the meter and what it's is saying! Is it pure luck or by chance that they guessed exactly as Ray suggested "the problem might be...?" what Ray assumed, because he suggested it as the possible cause of my lack of focus? Yes... maybe... maybe not... as they were operators relying on exactly what the e-meter was going to tell them to verify my failure , as evident! It was said to be like the standard e-meter. but better as you can fool the police version, but the e-meter it's impossible! As a staff member under a 5-year contract I got tested free, as got all courses free! I left when a Staff member told a student she smoked weed which is a no-no in Ron's books/policies...and the stupid student told on our staff officer,to , the course teacher,who asked her if she was high,and she told her the no-no policy as a member of 'Staff-in-training"! So the student said "nothing wrong with weed!" and at a meeting was told Staff leader was kicked out and would have to pay (15 years of free courses back, each ranging from $50-$100 to 3000 or more) - So I thought best to out before I get kicked out and landed a million dollar debt! I got hit with a $NZ1000$ or more bill but eventually paid some off and it was finally made null after 2 payments and I was reinstated as a "friend of Scientology" not a "recorded enemy" !
I was in Scientology from 1966 to 75 and I was an auditor and what you're saying is pure bunk. There is nothing scientific about the e meter it is based on Hubbards fanciful musings and hunches. No significant body of Science and knowledge is contributed by one man but not so in Scientology only Hubbard is "source". This is not how science works
@@patriciodasilva7902 well that's your opinion and what I said is mine :) AND FACT! As wasn't interested in course stuff for the day was tired etc and a staff member Ray highly trained and qualified, to detect the state of a person,their mood,attitudes,as he was qualified in the org. as a Touch Assist person... detected or had the feeling I hadn't eaten so put me on the e-meter and I tried to lie my way through it, but was found out, as... THE STAFF TRAINED ON IT ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED TO DETECT IF U WAS LYING! SO WHAT I SAID ISN'T BUNK AS YOU CLAIM! : ) AS A STANDARD POLICE LIE DETECTOR CAN BE FOOLED, AND OBVIOUSLY THROUGH MT EXPERIENCE OF IT IT CANT BE LIED TO! AND YOU WEREN'T THERE AT THE TIME, I WAS! :) and where did i say anything about it being scientific!? :) You can't of been a very dedicated Auditor oh thus has nothing to do with Tax forms or IRD auditing or audits! :) And as they stress , don't have anything to do with "non-friends of Scientology"! "This is not how science works" Of course ...depends of what type of science your referring to!:) His science is MIND (and mental Health) science :)
So you're saying it works?
@@boblasers2016 Yeah...well it caught me out lying :) The guys behind the e-meter (Operators) were so well trained I guess, as I was informed :) The Auditor sessions? Yeah I believe so...but I discovered a means to... :) Used to always wish I remembered how to do the auditing again... as it's really a great means for another type of misadventure I won't disclose here! :)
They were reading you, not the device. This is nothing more than a mixture of cold and warm reading, how all "good" psychics and mediums do it. Ask the right questions, listen carefully to the answers (the "hits" and "misses") and watch the body language and it's amazing how much information someone can volunteer without realizing they're doing it. The e-meter is just a prob, a placebo, to make you think they have a real "scientific" method for doing this instead of an age old scam.
Heck! Sometimes you don't even have to pay for an ohm meter. I got mine free at Harbor Freight.
Let those ass holes be. If they want to pray to a electric current so be it. It’s a free country
Just finished reading Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright. This tome answered alot of my questions about the real history of Hubbard and Dianetics.. Great vid. .. thanks !
How you been doing Brother ?? I hope good . I miss your videos.
polygraph does not measure brain waves
This is the video that made me subscribed to your channel years ago 👍🏼
You show nothing about truth!!! A Short circuit or different pressure on the EMeter is practically incorrectly in the EMeter Test...... learn it and not talk nonsense
Seems to be stupid ???
Scientology bullshit meter😄😝
"real" lie detectors do not exist. Ive not seen a single lie detector employ an EEG.
While it appears to be true that the E Meter just measures skin resistance, like a standard ohmmeter, this video's claims that it is a scam are not backed up with actual facts, just generalizations and opinions. The video even admits that the E Meter is "more sensitive" than an ohmmeter (it clearly has more amplification to isolate or zoom in on a small range of resistance). There is little mention of the variability either of the E Meter itself or of the validity of skin resistance as a physiological marker of anything interesting. The crucial question remains: are tiny changes in skin resistance actually reflective of emotional or psychological states, or are they reflective mostly of artifact, that is, of other sources of variability?
It's a scam because Scientology lies about how the e-meter works, and charges thousands of dollars for a device that costs, at most, a couple of hundred bucks to make, and probably far less if they didn't dress it up in expensive box with fancy knobs and dials. Scientology is the scam, the e-meter is just a tool to help part gullible people from their money.
So, if we're just measuring our human resistance overweight folks probably shouldnt try this... LMFAO...
Suppressor!!! 😂
So you were in the sea org? How did you get out?
Polygraphs are just as bullshit. Just for the record.
Do you honestly think so many thousands of people who have used Scientology Emeters dont know that they are resistance meters? Of course they are.... Galvanic Skin response meter. sure. But without doubt you can clearly see emotional response on an emeter. it is more sensitive than your multimeter.... but yes it is the same principal. it was known about in the 1930's. An Emeter is not only great fun but also very useful for counselling.... no kidding! you can see areas of upset and blocked emotion .... even though the person does not immediatly recognise them themselves... you can narrow down to particula incidents and go over them and the person does have relief. just is.... Ive built a couple of them a few years ago... and had orignal Emeters.... they are really great!
_"Do you honestly think so many thousands of people who have used Scientology Emeters dont know that they are resistance meters?"_ Absolutely. I don't think you realize how easy it is to make people believe the e-meter is far more than just a resistance meter.
These videos are great! I’d love to hear some more stories of your time in Scientology or your life since leaving
I am not for or against scientology. But all you have shown in this video is that you do not think it works, and that you are comparing it to an Ohm meter. If this war a real debunking video, you would have a staff member and a non staff member each doing a demonstration, so we could see what you mean with full instructions. I was once by a member stopped on the street and took the test for 5 minutes on the meter. And to me it actually seems a bit smart. What I realized was that, it just measures consideration. Or in other words, stuff that is stuck on your mind. And they seem to be able to read it because of this Ohm resistance, to guide you through something doing some scientology thingy. So yes in a way it measures thoughts. And how I understood it from someone from that group on the street, is that you take courses, and when everything is solved, you do not have any considerations that is registers on the meter. Whether it then is used for good or bad, is a completely different thing. I am saying this, because I have tested several thousands of devices for companies in all kinds of industries and I am a private audiophile testing gear. And as an also ex 3. line supporter, I recognize that people in general do not test things properly. They most of the time have a preconceived idea of something, that slowly guides them to a desired/likely result with what knowledge is present. So in order to test something, you have to perform a long list of stuff usually that you do not want to do or find necessary. Then you going through this, have to remove all ideas, for the data to present itself, doing 1000's of tests. By the way I have also tested lie detectors. And they don't fully work, because it requires some kind of remorse/emotion to be present on the test subject to fully register. So people like Manson and a few others, would not seem like they were lying. So a lie detector can be beaten. How that is done, is also a completely different thing.
You should open it
Thanks for posting this. I could never understand how Dianetics started as a talk therapy without this device. It claimed you follow it's rules and by talking can make a perfect being! Then, just a few years later, you could ONLY make this perfect being using Dianetics WITH the E meter device. Yet, it was a "science". Hubbard was basically a liar, a many times he contradicted himself and gave the game away!
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