Male Victims Still Aren’t Taken Seriously: Anime Culture and the Genius of Chainsaw Man
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- The very real reality of male sexual assault victims is often glamorized or shrugged off in our society, and I thought it would be very interesting to look into the pressing issue of their often-dismissed struggles using one of my favorite pieces of recent media. In this video, I discuss the intersection of societal attitudes, including the influence of anime culture, and the profound impact it has on how we treat male victims. I highly recommend Chainsaw Man if you like Jujutsu Kaisen or more ""comedic" mangas.
0:43 - How Anime Culture Dictates How We View Sexualization and Interpretation
2:00 - What Anime Watchers Get Wrong about Chainsaw Man
2:46 - Season 1 Makima
3:50 - Season 1 Power
4:31 - Season 1 Himeno
5:43 - Reze (Manga Part 1)
6:20 - Act 1's Ending
7:30 - Chapter 166-167
10:01 - Breaking Down Perceptions of Male Vicitms
11:34 - Outro and My Story
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also something I forgot to mention but Denji’s stupidity is played for laughs but people forget that canonically he has never gone to school and basically raised himself. Its not like he was intended to be comic relief and a lot of his fights such as the hotel one shows hes actually pretty clever. The fact that one of his dreams for regular life is to go to school is a big part of this
ANOTHA EDIT: i didnt expect this vid to be this popular in views, so if i left out some manga parts like Fumiko or other scenes it was because I figured more people have watched the anime or finished Act 1 versus people who are up to date. Definitely need to treat every vid with confidence that itll blow up and reach who its supposed to reach.
I just really hope alot of ppl to digest that concept, it's one of the reasons why I like chainsawman
And I think what Fujimoto is going for is having comedy and tragedy overlap. It can be funny at one glance but if you think about it hard enough, it's just sad.
Like with the trauma flashback that Falling Devil did to Denji. He sawed it out of his brain instead of overcoming it. It was funny when I first saw it but after a while, I realized that it implies Denji is not capable of overcoming his trauma and needs help.
Holly shit, it's almost as if humor is a way to cope with tragedy...
Denji is actually the best subversion of a shonen protagonist I've seen. He's should not be looked at neither as a comedic character nor as a role model (like usually in shonen). He is a victim and a very flawed individual doing the best he can under shitty circumstances. And in the Part 2, we actually see him grow, being able to assume responsibility and pursue long-term goals.
England resident here (age of consent is 16) My stance has always been it's less weird the closer in age you are. If i was 27 and date a 16 year old, legal or not... Eyebrows would be raised. But if you were a 16 year old scoring with a girl a year or 2 older at some party? Debatable. Regardless of the AoC in your country, people are still mature on an individual scale.
I really fucking hate how male victims in media are treated. I'm a girl and a victim of SA. These recent chapters and seeing Denji's raw emotions and his breakdown really hit me hard- he's the first male character I've ever related to in terms of our SA experiences and how we feel, he reminds me a lot of myself when I was still struggling. It fucking sucks seeing how people potray denji as some gooner or something just because he's a guy. Male or not SA victims will always be SA victims. People struggle to understand that SA doesn't have seperate categories for genders- it's still SA and should be treated the same.
It shouldnt count as SA in my opinion, he should accept it, you dont get that much with a girl everyday you know
@@sonicwithglasses131love how the point of the whole video flew over your head
@@dinostar2894 i didnt watch the video
You're sad pathetic excuse for a human@@sonicwithglasses131
@@sonicwithglasses131You're pathetic
Damn I always thought it was PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS that Makima is in fact NOT a good person and any affection she shows is PURE calculated manipulation lol. I thought they did an excellent job at giving us smaller hints in her body language, facial expressions and her actions.
Most csm fans lack reading comprehension, even less people take their time reading the body language of the characters, which is a shame because Fujimoto makes so many scenes that emphasize it
Most CSM fans are scared of the reading comprehension devil
Most csm fans weren’t able to beat the English Class devil
Most CSM fans don't actually have reading comprehension they are only intrested in seeing child secks offender waifus which is. Concerning taste
Heck, there is literally one time she was not putting on an act or dismissing Denji and that was solely because she was overcome with the fact that she was not raised well and was basically a weapon for the Japanese government.
honestly, i feel like sexual assault to guys in media isn't taken as seriously because of the way they portray it. they always use an attractive girl and never make it seem like a big deal. for girls, their abuser is always violent, and it's filled with a lot more emotion. it actually feels traumatic most of the time, not like something you'd see on ph
totally. if makima was depicted as a super ugly old woman the reaction would be much different
The Invincible comic portrays male rape in a very realistic way. It is definitely treated as a big deal and portrayed as being just as violent and disturbing as a male raping a female. The woman doing the raping is also not overly attractive either.
The comic goes into the trauma caused by the event and how men often try to bottle said trauma away which just ends up making it grow worse since they have no one to talk to,
And then there are female-centric stories where their abuser tends to be the hot lone wolf bad boy types and when they get assaulted, its treated as erotic
@@MiseRaen yeah, i've heard of stuff like that too. Apparently twilight did something like that with the werewolf guy. Doesn't seem as common though, at least not in this kinda media
there are also huge differences in the effects sexual assault has on boys and girls. For examples girls can get pregnant and it has an entirely different psychological effect on them due to how male and female virginity is perceived and gender roles. Masculinity and the way that males and females cope with trauma in different ways also plays a big role.
The Himeno vomit kiss scene being denji's stolen first kiss can also be a metaphor for how SA victims ((specifically the ones who are saving themselves for someone they love/for marriage)) have their first time stolen horribly by someone taking advantage of them.
And the disgust that comes with it
@@kyyes5515 Sometimes even disgust for themselves...
holy fuck its Hank J Wimbleton
@@glovemiester wimbleson
Bruh that’s not a metaphor bro that’s literally exactly what happened
Terry Crews got SA'd and didn't say anything about it.
It happened IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE, too. His reasoning was pretty much "Look at me. If I actually fought back, who do you think would win in court?".
And let's not pretend the scrawny guys get off easy, either. The scrawny guys, if anything, face MORE prejudice because they get typecasted as a "Creep".
If Terry Crews and someone like myself who is a 6'1ft 250lb MMA bro can get assaulted, anyone can.
Us being "men" makes us EASIER targets. I mean what are we supposed to do?
Want to know what happened to me?
I got assaulted, lamented about it to a friend, that girl then turned around and claimed I ASSAULTED HER, proceeded to tell my entire highschool that story INCLUDING the girl I had a crush on JUST to spite me, did this while DATING SOMEONE, and the only reason she didn't get away with it is because the people that knew me spoke up and called her on her sh--.
If I did not have good friends back then, 14 years ago, I would be known as "that guy" and be permanently labeled as a creep and I would have been powerless to change that.
I got lucky. A lot of men don't.
i used terry crews testimony in my “what is a man?” short vid which was one of my first vids funnily enough. unfortunately yeah a ton of creeps and weirdos ruin it for us the same way false accusers ruin it for actual victims
This is why I keep my bro connections fresh. They're the only ones that could be ride or die for me, regardless of the accusations. They know I'm always honest when it comes to serious topics, especially when I'm drunk. They do want me getting drunk since I'm naturally a social recluse but I'm a completely different person when inebriated.
@@jayzenstyleI hope you find a better way of opening up to them other than alcohol. Too many people sacrifice their health while using this "crutch" in social interactions. Good luck to you anyways.
We all know why the guy got away with Crew's assault. No one can say it though.
damn I have a similar story. I didn’t have good friends and now I am that guy… People don’t care about male victims especially girls.
Praying denji actually has a positive interaction with a woman for once
Nayuta? Power? Kobeni? Asa?
@@andod881Some of those may end poorly, but at least we have Kobeni as our shining beacon of hope
Last chapter kinda crushes that hope, but people are celebrating it anyway
@@bigpoof3349Kobeni tried to kill him within days of meeting him
@@aisir3725 true, but at least she had good reason (and she would've failed anyway). She made up for it later
Another detail of Denji that seems regularly overlooked, ESPECIALLY by the "lol, he's a perv just like me" crowd, is he has a clear understanding of consent, albeit only in regards to other people. Even when opportunities arise he doesn't take advantage of people, force himself on anyone, etc, and often comments about how horrible it would be if he did.
Yeah he literally forgets about his deal with Power because he really just wanted to help her either way lol
He also really felt weird about grabbing Power’s boobs. Like, when he was in the situation where he would have had his dream of fulfilling sexual actions, he is actually disgusted by it and then instantly understands he wants a meaningful relationship though he can not conceive of a healthy meaningful relationship. Also does not help that Denji realizes Power is rather boorish and therefore is better like a friend.
@@PeashamDenji literally has an on screen internal monologue where he empathizes with Power's love for her pet, and there are still people who think he only did it to grab her chest. It's ridiculous.
@@esteban8471 I genuinely gotta wonder how they square that circle with him HATING grabbing her chest lmao
@Peasham I mean, him only wanting to touch her boobs (not saying that's what it was) doesn't necessarily mean that when he did he still wouldn't feel "but I didn't want to do it this way" and feeling disgust.
When it’s female sexual abuse being portrayed it’s always from the perspective of a physical power imbalance. The man is stronger then the girl. But when it’s male sexual abuse, people don’t seem to understand that it is an emotional power imbalance. And it’s always older women going for a young boy, someone who is the easiest to persuade and emotionally manipulate, because they are both physically weaker and still mentally developing. It gets worse when you realise that most kids, regardless of gender, are more trusting of women then men. It’s scary.
This tactic is used by human traffickers who kidnap victims, especially children. Most who are trafficked are lured in by women pretending to need help or other circumstances that present them as less threatening.
It isn't (just) emotional. I've been SA'd at a job, and once as an AirBNB guest. I let it "slip" because being in a foreign country whose language I don't speak, good luck if it comes to a legal problem, and she was an old woman, so sometimes you read stories about some old woman being ... and I always wondered who does that, I mean who is even into that. Well, that moment I thought she can just make any claims and that's how these stories happen. So least bad outcome I'm on the street in a bad neighbourhood at night, worst outcome I'm dead.
Luckily she left and I made sure to lock all doors and leave the keys in the lock.
For women/girls, it's a physical imbalance. They are overpowered and can't get them off. For men/boys, it's a social/mental imbalance. They can't fight back or else it can be spun against them, or there is a massive gap between maturity that is being exploited
very good point!
While it doesnt matter if it happens to a male or a female, if you think about that as a male msot of the time you could overpower the female opressor, yet you are unable, because they broke you mentally.... rendering you a useless pawn... that could break any human :(
Sadly, emotional abuse, in any situation, is overlooked in favor of physical abuse. It's why emotional abusers tend to get off scot-free for their crimes more often than physical abusers.
As a female who got sexually harassed in school and groomed online, I'm absolutely disgusted how people think that he's "lucky." I hate Makima with a burning passion.
Thank you for this comment.
i don't hate Makima because i think she's a good character but seeing people dismissing Denji's abuse or saying they wish they were him is so infurlirating, did they not understand what they read ?? It makes me think about a guy in my middle school telling me he could'nt be raped by a woman because he would always be willing to have sex with her, it made me so mad. It's this kind of behavior that normilize male sa
Dude when I was reading the series I couldn’t fathom why people loved her and hated her. This just makes me understand why
@@corisandecastan4078 i'm guessing those people are in the mindset "oh men are physically more powerful, it can't happen + she's hot and powerful"
I guess these people need to understand that it's not because they don't see it that it doesn't exist, and it goes for every social problems you don't see (homophobia, racism, SA, women fearing men.. none of them should be lucked at a lens of "I don't see it so it doesn't happen and they're exaggerating")
but luckily with baby reindeer, there was an 80% augmentation of men calling for help on their sa.
@corisandecastan4078 I mean the guy was right. If he is always up to do it with anyone he can't be sexualy assulted because he consented to the sex in his mind. This dosn't make it any good that he is cool with doing it with anyone because that's just lack of self respect or restraint and also maybe grooming if he was in the sexual situation with an adult while being a minor. Though he is still right in the fact that he is theorethicaly unrapable.
Honestly I feel so bad for both Denji and Asa in the new chapter, yoru forced herself on Denji and used Asa’s body to do the s*xual act :(
will probably lead to a trauma bond that may turn healthy but yeah Yoru was fucked up for that
Exactly, Asa’s is not gonna be the same person, when she’s back at the wheel, but I think it’s gonna be used to show them both a more pure relationship that they both want but don’t understand yet.
@@benchambers1439 yeah definitely, I wonder if Asa will tell Denji about the war devil?
@@OzymandiasV2 agreed
Saw a comment that went "Flabbergasted that Yoru has managed to rape two people with just one handjob."
it pisses me off that so many men would go so far as to say that young boys who have been sexually assaulted are "lucky".
How pissed off on a scale of 1-10
Cause they are lucky
@@sonicwithglasses131 how? no matter how you look at it, an underage boy is being s.a'd. no matter how "lucky" one thinks that could be, its still s.a.
@@alexmazza3784 just say sexual assault you dumb fk, why are you rtards using a euphemism for a euphemism. Bunch of dult kids raised on a tip toe way of talking jesus fking christ you dumb cunts are annoying.
@@alexmazza3784 hes been trolling on every comment dont feed it
There's a point in the manga when Denji wonders why he can't seem to feel joy for a moment he thought he wanted, and wonders if maybe Pochita replacing his heart meant he lost his ability to feel.
And the entire time I was screaming at my phone, "Denji! That's depression! You're in a spiral!!"
poor dude has been absolutely through it in the span of a year or two
Seeing Denji getting SA’d by Yoru like that broke me. He’s really dragged through every circles of hell yet gets treated as some “gooner” for things he never consented to.
im ngl when i first started the manga, i thought denji would be a stereotypical dumb hornball shonen protag, but then around the Himeno event i started connecting dots on how he was raised and the makima dynamic
and Asa is gonna have a heart attack when she finds out. I feel equally bad for both, because in my mind, Asa was assaulted not as much as denji, but still so, because she DEFINATELY didn't consent to that.
@@KeyboardTarantula I like to think that is part of the reason why her looking at her Hand in the final image being a perfect mirror to End of Evangelion hints at that. Seeing as the later was infamous as the absolute low point of the life of the character it happens to.
@@KeyboardTarantula Yall are children lmfao Denji is gonna be so happy next chapter so STOP CRYING
@@Dirtysanchez27 either copium, or jealous degenerate incel. in either case, I pray you recover, and may the lord bestow mercy upon your soul.
I'll be straight into the point, I was raped by a family member, and a "friend", both times I was laughed at, first by my family, then by the authorities, I go to therapy, I have a good job, but I have zero sex drive, never built a relationship, I have no family, no friends.
And nobody cares.
I’m sorry. It’s scary how something like this isn’t surprising. It should be surprising. The fact nobody cares (not even your family) is insane. I have a question though. Did you grow up in an abusive household? Regularly a loving family would care about this. And one last question. You said you don’t have family, right? Are they dead or something?
Sorry for the long block of text.
If it means anything, I care. Me and others who do get the chance to read your story do.
I know it probably won't mean anything but I hope life turns out better in the future for you
Those who didn’t care don’t deserve you. Your ability to move on, LIVE on, is more than admirable. You’re stronger and worth more than you may think.
I feel bad for you and I hope your life will turn out better from now on.
It is a good example of a double standard - similar to female on male domestic abuse.
100% and its a shame it comes from both men and women
The other thing also is pornography for example h animes
@OzymandiasV2 yes if you can look at the domina witch in black clover. It is a good example of how people see male domestic violence victim.
Double standard ? How so?
@@TheTtttwilight because of good ol sexism we as a society tend to assume that women are inherently weaker than men and thus are incapable of hurting or abusing men, which leads to male victims being dismissed and belittled, while female victims are (sometimes.) given support
To be frank, I don't think the wider anime community is mature enough for chainsaw man.
I'm not trying to be elitist it's just that chainsaw man is filling a slot that's usually filled by the average shounen and I don't think that audience is ready to understand sexual assault like that.
I'd love to be proven wrong though
Shonen fans don't understanding anything deeper than "guy punch stuff, guy win, guy strong". I continually see them missing the point of what they claim to like and like characters only based on how strong they are to them. It's a waste of time to try to reach this audience.
@@MissAmy929728so true
@@MissAmy929728 yeah it can be frustrating when folks ignore thematic discussion in favour of powerscaling.
Nothing wrong with it on it's own, but it definitely feels insulting to the show if that's your only investment to the story/attachment to the characters.
Especially when it's something as hard hitting and thoughtful as CSM.
Anime community needs to grow up, but when the degenerative fantasy feeding porn disguised as art will come out….they won’t. But this type of anime will be going on as long as the anime fandom will stay immature……..and circle goes on….
@@MissAmy929728 looking at how people hated Hiiragi Nana (from anime talentless Nana) yes many aren’t ready for something more complex than 2+2z
I was SA'd when I was 6 years old by a girl who was around 9 years older than me, what frustrates me the most is the fact that you are expected to move on and act like nothing happened, I have never told this to my family or friends because I know that I would just get fake pitty or straight out dissmisal
see about professional help or a close friend if possible. im sorry someone did that. hope you have a productive journey of healing
@@OzymandiasV2 I'd err on getting professional help over a friend. from my own experiences opening up to a friend can lead to some nasty complications where as a professional is impartial.
I feel you man, is worse when you are close, people ask you why you don't interact with that person.
That sounds horrible, man. I'll pray for you even if I can't do anything else. God have mercy.
Sorry about what happened to you man. As a guy who got SA'd by a female friend (which was also my first time with a girl), it did not leave physical scars but I sure do have some serious trust issues (when it comes to intimacy) with women as a result. It would not surprise me if it is why I am aromantic too.
I got blamed and yelled at when it came to light what had happened, because obviously it had to be the boy's fault (this was in the 90's), and I also hardly ever spoke about it after that. I think I've told like two close friends over the years.
I've also never had any romantic feelings for anyone since then, and still get uncomfortable if women I don't know overtly flirt with me. My first experience was unwanted and a complete breach of trust that took years to get over, so why would I willingly put myself in that situation again? I'm quite capable of being happy and living a life I really enjoy on my own.
Wonder if my complete disinterest in romantic relationships is why I've ended up working mostly with women all my life? 🤔 All I know is to be friendly and helpful, but I never flirt or make a pass at anyone because I'm just not interested in being anything but work-friends, so we tend to get along just fine. 🤷♂️
It’s really sad that this video has to exist, it should’ve been common sense that denji is a victim and so are other boys who go through similar but sadly it isn’t. It’s disgusting how many people defend his groomers and assaulters.
Victim ? Nah, hes a lucky ass guy, people like me dont get this, i want it
@@sonicwithglasses131 People like you was why the video was even created.
@@SCPfan529 idc, they dont know how good they got it
@@SCPfan529 its just another fatherless loser trying to bait ignore it
@@sonicwithglasses131 whatever u say edp
This happend with invincible too with the character of anissa
She force herself on mark and people called him lucky and wish it was them and not mark, the double standard is real
People are fucking retarded gooners then. Simple as.
Cause he is lucky ? 😂
I wish i was him
@@sonicwithglasses131I haven’t read that part but it shows that he’s traumatized. Saying that he’s lucky to a bad thing that happened to him is not right. He didn’t enjoy it nor was it consensual.
@@secretstarlight440 cause he doesnt realize how good he has been getting it
It hurts to know that as a male SA victim, I’ll never recover from the trauma of the abuse. What’s worse is that it was my best friend and she SA’d me for four years until we had a falling out. And I thought it was just because I had a crush on her that I had this nervous feeling in my stomach when in all actuality, it was fear. I was literally ten when it started and I still haven’t recovered. I’m still haunted by repressed nightmares and memories and only talk about it with my parents and therapist because I’m afraid others will just say I’m “lucky” or “have it good” without understanding that I had my childhood ruined by a disgusting narcissist who still shows no remorse for her actions
bro life sucks frfr no cap
I'm so sorry that happened, i hope your ok :( 🫂🫂🫂🫂
Four years? She did that?! Lord, people have no shame. Sorry you have to go through something like that.
I am a woman but I can relate to you as the same child victim of sexual assault. I wish her all the worst for what happened to you, send you virtual hug❤
I'm a woman, but i related to your first sentence as well. these past few years I've felt like I'm recovering, but trying to have consensual... encounters for the first time made me realise i still have repressed a lot of it. i wonder if I'll ever recover and honestly, I'm scared what would happen if i dig deeper to heal. I'm not ready yet.
i wish you well on your journey, and i hope you'll never face something like that again.
the S.A. in chainsaw man also resonates strongly with the experience of having gone through non-sexual trauma which is a fucking masterstroke by fujimoto, it works as a very extreme visual representation of all sorts of abuse that is tied to power imbalance (abusive parenting) while showing how denji reacts to it almost like he enjoys having been abused until he gets to think deeper about what he is going through.
SA survivors, male and female, I'd like to extend my prayers for your physical and mental recovery. Remember, what happened was absolutely NOT *YOUR* fault. Be strong. Keep going. I believe in you.
I could never understand why people liked Makima
Having read the series, she is easily one of the most vile characters I have had the displeasure of reading and I absolutely despise her.
yeah that power scene made my stomach turn especially her speech to Denji
As a person I despise makima she is such an evil bitch who despite good cause but the way she did it was fucking irredeemable
As a character she's a very fucking good though
She’s hot
tbh you can like a terrible character bc they fill their purpose, but liking her in a different way shows you dont get the character
I mean, I get why people think she's hot.
But as a person? I basically hated her since she showed up and treated Denji like a literal dog.
i was sexually assaulted by my first girlfriend and it ruined my perception of sex and female interactions for years. I held it in and didn’t tell anyone until it was too much and i broke down. None of my male friends were there for me or even understood me they all just said “oh you didn’t like it? Are you gay?” but i told her no multiple times and she still did what i told her not to. Male victims don’t get taken seriously. I felt like less of a man, like i was just something to be used. Guys it can happen to us too and it hurts a lot because most people will just write it off as us being “gay” I am really glad that there are series like Berserk, Invincible and Chainsawman that have male victims because it really gets our stories out there
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. And you're not less of a man
You're not less of a man. You're human with big H because you're still here despite experiencing such horrendous situation. And you should be treated with love and care. I hope you will be able to heal and find people who genuinely care about you. You deserve nothing but support. Please don't let others stomp out light within you.
women are far more likely to dismiss your sexual abuse and victimhood than men are in my experience, by a laughable margin too. overall i truly think women are trained to view men as less human.
You are more of a man then them, because the people who invalidated and deflected your trauma are weak cowards
You're not less of a man and maybe someday you'll find people who care about you and love you, hope your doing better
I feel Denji being a victim adds more to him to how he is just a tragic character. It is also wild seeing people say this is the one of the most crazy things Fujimoto has done, even though he made Fire Punch and some of his oneshots
i thoroughly enjoy CSM but i couldnt get past the first 30 chapters of FP. ill continue it eventually
@@OzymandiasV2 rookie numbers
Fire Punch chapter one has cannibalism and incest, and it gets wilder from there.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 im aware
@@AbstraktNG I know. I guess it was kind of a useless comment wasn't it.
People on twitter are crying with chapter 167 saying that fujimoto "lost the plot". Like did they forget that they are reading fucking CHAINSAW MAN. We got an old man saying he wants kids before that.
its quite literally the “flirting vs sexual harassment” meme. Himeno was one step away from doing the same to Denji but people are acting like this us out of character for Fujimoto. He wrote FirePunch 😭
People on Twitter don’t know how to react to a man being victimized because it breaks their 4th wave feminist narratives that men can never be the victim. From their insane point of view, Fujimoto must be the bad guy because he wrote a chapter that completely contradicts their baseless worldview. The Twitter lobotomites also hated Berserk and had no sympathy for Guts getting SAd.
@@OzymandiasV2 The amount of people that simp over Himeno but fume over Makima annoy me to no end. Then they make excuses for her like "she was drunk" or "she didn't go through with it!". You know the only reason she stopped? It's because she realized she might go to jail for what she was about to do.
@@MachinaOwl Makima was evil and had a very detailed plan, Himeno was just having fun and generally was a nice person.
@@pc_suffering6941She was having fun and is generally a person who acts like they want to have fun. People who only have fun all the time are usually tough to be around. Everything revolves around their enjoyment, not other people's feelings. Which is how she could get Denji to her house in the first place.
something to add about Himeno: she literally acknowledges she could get locked up for doing that stuff with a minor , in her own words (in the manga) also, this is an amazing video. So many new chainsaw man fans refuse to admit the part of the story that is about a Denji being groomed. I hate people saying “I wish I was Denji!” , also fumiko is a weirdo aswell. Love the video !
thank you! someone brought that up after i uploaded and definitely wouldve been a good ad. i remember her saying shes glad she didnt do it but to me her asking always seemed like damage control considering she was flirting with denji during the hotel arc
@@OzymandiasV2 Yeahh agreed. She’s a horrible person
ya 💀 her asking the question came off as more dmg control imo
like-- it just comes off as her being more worried of the consequences rather than her actions prior
@@lxvrrbxy yeah I completely agree!
Yk, back then when I was way younger I tried to excuse her by saying ooh she was drunk she wasn't in her mind , ohh she surely didn't mean harm. Turns out that's a side effect of being groomed as a child lol
14 at a party playing 2k17 on a couch at said party, a 19 year old woman kept commenting on how cute i was n i told her to go away n shi yet was forcefully pulled to another room to get SA'd. What is truly crazy is afterwards i was given praise and worship because i was abused by an adult woman at such a young age which is truly baffling.
jesus christ
@@quangle-zi2oz it wasn't a matter of being like, FORCED, I just didn't want to, it's not like I was against it. Not defending her actions or nun but I definitely ain't fight back
i'm sorry you went through such a horrible experience at such an incredibly young age, hope you're doing okay. i can't even imagine how disorientating it must've been for you
@@coolbeans5911 I haven't noticed any long lasting consequences, I think I've taken it rather well all things considered. Disoriented is certainly the right word to describe how I was feeling then, tho.
I am so sorry. It’s despicable that what you went through was trivialized like that. I hope you’re doing okay now.
Never forget that Asa is also a victim as well. Never once was she shown interested in sex she's even kinda disgusted by it.
that's true, she's canonically repulsed by sex and she never consented either
True. She got raped just as much as denji in that situation.
@@viennas.except she was disgusted that he would think of her as a slut
Not because of the hj and kiss
I don’t get how you guys see the last scene as SA? That seemed entirely consensual apart from the war devil taking control of Asa’s body. But both the war devil and Denji consented. I don’t even know.
@@CopemaxerYou're trolling
Rape is never funny. No matter who it happens to or what the circumstances are. ~Katt Wiliams
Humor is subjective
"Everyone's favorite relaxing recreational activity." is what i call it sarcastically.
Damn, 5?
It’s honestly wild how wise Kart Wiliams is, and how down to earth he is. Definitely a good example to use
@@GokuSolosAnime
Correct. While I personally won't get a chuckle out of those kinds of jokes, it's no different than when people casually make jokes about war or genocide. It's dark humor and for some people those kinds of things can be comedic. For some people it's a coping mechanism to deal with trauma too 🤷🏻
Wasn't the entire point behind Makima's death that she ruined the guy's brain so hard he could no longer distinguish between violence and love? (And therefore neither could the magical contract keeping her alive)
she wanted to get him mentally broken to the point of complete subservience so basically yes
Oh is that what happened?
While, yes, Denji's mind is fucked at this point, the violence isn't what killed Makima. People were still dying as he was attacking her and dicing her up into smaller portions. It was the blood that Power gave to Denji that "ran amok" inside of her that prevented her from healing back to normal. If iirc, Kishibe even mentions that people will keep dying the longer it takes to kill her. No, Denji did not perceive the violence as an act of love, he saw EATING HER BODY as an act of love, which is what ultimately killed her, and is kind of more fucked up, if you ask me. SPOILERS BEYOND: You can see that he doesn't confuse love and violence in the way he takes care of Makima's reincarnation, Nayuta. He treats her as his little sister and cares about her well being and isn't abusive in the slightest.
@@Slightlycamouflagedyes. Denji acknowledged he saw eating Makima as an act of love as he would be one with her, so the contract she made that would redirect attacks on her couldn’t work. Because Denji saw it as an act of intimacy on Makima rather than an attack.
@@VisForVindetta Which is still pretty fucked up.
I hate how people are like "Man can't be victims!" Hello?!?! Everyone can be a victim!!!
Something I want to comment on with the argument of “well the age of consent in Japan is 16 so Himeno didn’t do anything bad” only focuses on the legality of the situation rather than the morality. Just because something’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s moral.
And even if age weren't a factor, it wasn't even consensual since Denji was unconscious at the time
I mean, r*pe is still illegal, regardless of the victim's age, so that argument makes even less sense
Also, didn't Himeno specifically say "you can get thrown in jail for doing these things with a minor" when they were having breakfast on the balcony the next morning?
If you can get thrown in jail in-universe for that then that probably means that the age of consent in Chainsaw Man's Japan is higher than 16, thus placing Himeno in a bad place legally (even if she was relieved they didn't do it in the end)
"Being legal doesn't make it right"
- Raiden, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
FINALLY someone said it 😭
I had a feeling that denji wasn't safe with Makima ever since I read the manga in 2022. I always hated makima for manipulating and gr00m1ng denji. She took the chance he was never shown genuine love and affection and decided to abuse that.
the chapter where makima reveals her plan to build him up and break him made my stomach drop that was an unforgettable moment in fiction.
@@OzymandiasV2 frl dude i literally cried for denji and power they had such a sibling dynamic it was wholesome
This is the same reason why i HATE Asuka of NGE. The fans love her yet all she does is hurl abuse at people and. SHe directly manipulates Shinji too. But all because shinji Coomed in the movie he is the bad guy even after he says he is fucked up. Dude is in the SAME EXACT POSITION as Denji. Asuka constantly used her Sex to abuse and boss shinji around to mixxed results simply because she never had power over him.
As someone who was groomed both by a man, and later on a woman, this video hits Fuckin hard. When Denji talked about how he feels and how his hormones are getting in the way (especially because my therapist has said I likely suffer from hyper sexuality due to my tendencies). You end up feeling broken. Feeling like something is inherently wrong with you or that your sexual aspects are the only ones that matter because they're the ones you were praised for by your abusers.
I would be called slurs or I'd be told it was my fault when I talked about the VERY abusive guy that groomed me (14 and 18) and I would always be told that it "wasn't actually grooming" or that people wished they were me when i talked about the woman (15 and mid-30s)
I can only be thankful that both were online, but it still ended up damaging me fundamentally growing up. I was never assaulted thankfully, but I still was made to feel, ironically enough, like a dog. Like I was just supposed to make them happy and obey them. It hurt. A lot.
I still don't think I've fully recovered from it and I'm 19 years old now. I consider romantic relationships with women basically impossible, despite the possibility presenting itself on more than one occasion. I don't really trust anyone to a full extent anymore.
It took me around 7 months at 15 to recover from the worst of it, and it still affects me because I have very little trust for people, I hate making friends, and im constantly paranoid of any new friend I end up making. And the fact that people actually simp for Makima or say things like "you should've just fought back/I wish I was in your position" when it hasn't happened to them, *makes me want to fucking vomit*
Just read through what you typed and wished I could give you a hug,with consent, of course,hope you are doing better and healing
God have mercy. I'll pray for you, even if there isn't anything else I can do. Know that that sort of thing never should've happened, and was completely wrong. Everything will eventually be brought to justice, even if it doesn't happen in this life.
That happened to me at 8, although the other person was 11 or 12 or so. It sucked because it was in person and quickly turned very sour for me, and I honestly think something was going on with her too, honestly.
I was getting bullied so in a weird and messed up way, it's where I was getting my validation. But people ignore that stuff when people tell them about it, because "WOOOOAAAH YOU ARE A GUY AND SHE WAS A GIRL, IT'S JUST LIKE MY FAVORITE ANIME!!!! YOU ARE SO LUCKY!!!!" It really upsets me...
I just now realized something. I cannot understand people who say you are lucky. Like, I've always accepted that it's a normal thing. Normal in that it's the response the average person would say, and normal in that it's common.
But I'm empathetic enough to often be able to understand the viewpoint of people even if I disagree with them. Like I can understand the motives of racist people and I can also understand that often times they're just repeating what their parents have told them their whole life, even though I know their entire logic is fallacious as heck.
But with this, I just cannot get myself to understand what would bring someone to say you're lucky or that they'd like to be in your place. Don't they see how bad you feel? Do they think they'd somehow not feel the same as you? What is wrong with my species? I am so hopeless
that is literally so sad, i wish i could see u irl and help u
as a male victim of 🍇 myself, it's so depressing seeing how the media, especially animes downplay and even glorify SA on guys, using fanservice to their advantage... I wish it weren't real. It's horrifying (and thats a strong understatement)
How?
@@cideltacommand7169 what do you mean "how?" i dont really want to spell it out for you. when you're a victim yourself its a lot easier to notice things. male 🍇jokes are used so many times, such as prison jokes, bar jokes... It's not hard to see
@@cideltacommand7169 watch the video you stupid bitch.
This chapter made me confront my own grooming and how it led me to be abused. denji having that realization in the previous chapter felt like i was personally getting broken down. And then the immediate inability to say no, freezing up and letting it happen, what happened to me wasn't nearly as bad but it still made me sit with and understand why I couldn't react.
sorry someone was sick enough to do that. i hope you heal from it and youre able to have healthy relationships in the future that support you romantically or not.
What also cements the fact that Power was the only person who actually cared for him was the hug scene, which was his first and so far the only GENUINE hug he had since the series started.
It really is sad that the only girl who really genuinely loved him(platonically or not idk lol) was basically fucked from the beginning by Makima. Cuz Power is legit the one who got closest to Denji this whole series and that’s honestly pretty interesting.
also just to note that bathroom scene with power was one of his only both-partys-consenting moments but he didnt enjoy it (which is normal, you dont have to always like it) so it only further taught him the wrong stuff.
@@stger44 if anything, it would’ve taught him that his goal wasn’t worth dying for if it wasn’t for Makima immediately manipulating him to remain horny.
POWER SUPREMACY.
Was yelling “wow she’s just like me fr” on screen while watching sometimes, because I’m too, dumb selfish hate vegetables and a cat lover. And also weirdly hyperactive loud annoying…..loved her from first watch of opening.
My husband is a survivor of SA, grooming, and being spiked from 16-22 and I’m a survivor of SA. We got a lot of those “but you’re so lucky” comments any time we’d open up (or people asking him how it feels to be spiked rather than showing empathy). I never really considered my situation SA because it was someone I was in a relationship until my therapist told me what it was. My husband didn’t consider his past absolutely beyond messed up until I broke it down by switching the genders for him. We’ve been reading CSM lately and it’s been a bit more eye opening for him and helping him unpack what he went through and how severe that power imbalance was with all of his abusers. It’s a really good destruction of those tropes and a really good portrayal of what exactly men and boys go through when we’re in that situation. Our first thought never seems to be “this is wrong” because it’s been engrained into us to be happy a woman got with us, or that older women are attractive. Media like this is so important because it helps victims understand that they’re victims, and it’s sad to see people boil it down to the same old “hot woman wants him he’s so lucky” line that my husband and I hear whenever we would express distaste.
I'm so sorry, i hope your husband and you are ok :( 🫂🫂🫂🫂
@@MetryTwintails we are, don’t worry. Lots of therapy for the both of us has helped a lot
@@azraelllll yippie!!!! hope y'all stay happy 🙏🙏🙏
when i was real young i had the same perspective, the "why wasn't it me" kinda stuff, then i saw a man who was SAed by a woman speak about it and the effects it had on him and i was literally nearly brought to tears. SA is horrible and it's bad no matter who is the victim or what gender the one doing the crime was.
i had similar experiences. it wasnt until i hit around 18-19 where i was like “yeah i couldnt even think of talking to/doing the stuff women i know have done or that ive read about”. there needs to be a huge wake up call for people who sugarcoat male sexual assault
@@OzymandiasV2 i used to watch joe rogan back then, i think was like 17 or something and he was making fun of a man getting SAed by a woman and then is where i found an actual victim talking about it that changed my perspective but ofc we give voice to complete baboons like joe more than actual victims that went through this, leading a lot of young people to repeat the same nonsense as joe and others like him, that's also why people like tate and sneako were so dangerous.
They are lucky bro
@@sonicwithglasses131 this is not steam brother, you can't farm clowns here but here is one regardless 🤡
@@metalface_villain im not lying, those are lucky, only gay men wouldnt want women touching them
Homie came out with a solid piece during men’s mental health month ❤
Edit: this is the most likes I’ve ever gotten on a YT comment, thank you! I also make content btw.
had to spit
@OzymandiasV2 btw. What are your thoughts on black men who get ostracized by their community just because they don't follow or like the same thing? for example music, hobbies or just their personality.
@@sagemaster1357 As a black man i feel this for example you might get ostracized for dating a white woman as a black man, it makes no sense too me, as well as the music thing i enjoy rap but some people make it out as you have to like music like that, you have to be a thug, its just quite weird how people will make it seem your not as black as others just because you have different opinions, we always talk about the police or the government but sometimes i feel were are own worst enemies
@@sagemaster1357As a black guy who's anything but normal I just got used to it atp and call it out for what it is, stupid to be racist to your own race and trying to fit into a stereotype.
@@sagemaster1357as not a black guy, i didn’t even read your reply
It makes me SO mad how many men online see this SA as a "coomer shinji" Shinji assaulted an unconscious person, where as Denji was SA'd. MANY of the misconceptions on SA for all people is the guilt that they "came". The fact that I see so many men online saying Denji "levelled up" and more revolting assumptions makes me feel disgusted. Denji has a shown history of freezing during ANY time a woman has taken advantage of him sexually. In the VERY CHAPTER before Denji is SA'd he cries and breaks down that people see his hypersexuality as a JOKE. He literally cries and breaks down that he's being abused and taken advantage of, yet so many male fans are continuing to call him a coomer. Asa was also SA'd against her will as she has stated many times she is repulsed by sex and doesn't want sex. Denji was finally coming to a similar view to Asa, and in his POV, he was then assaulted by her after breaking down. Yoru lost control of Asa because of how terrified she was at the acts Yoru committed against her will. Theres even a chapter where Yoru explains she can't take control when she's paralyzed with fear. I really hope Fujimoto does both of them justice in how they react to the SA because both of POV's are incredibly sad and tragic. Neither of them enjoyed it and its really heartbreaking for people to still treat denji like a pervert funny dude, even though he's possibly the best representation of SA victims I've ever seen written, especially as a main character.
But Fujimoto never does justice to this shit, hes a fucking weirdo, I dont get why people keep putting him on a pedestal as "a masterpiece writer" only because he made some good funny and interesting characters in part 1. Like, didn't Fujimoto himself said on an interview that he would enjoy being one of Makima's lapdog or something like that? He wrote Makima for himself, not to depict grooming and shit like that. Denji will never make progress as a charater because this fucking loony enjoys putting him into these situations and portrays those scenes in a horrible manner.
In these last chapters, 3 seconds after Denji's breakdown Fujimoto goes and follows it with the whole "cutting your dick off" scene, which made the whole thing seem like another of those "crazy quirky chainsaw man weird scenes". So of course a lot of readers are going to interpret the next scene, Denji getting SA'd by Asa, as a follow up to "the crazy shit" and not so much as what it truly happens, which is Denji getting SA'd. If Fujimoto truly cared about writing a story depicting these things in an honest manner he would be taking it more seriously than this, not putting "crazy shit" in the middle.
That’s something important to acknowledge, in no way does a victim having an orgasm mean they enjoyed it, the body only needs stimulation for that to happen, regardless of intent. If anything that may be one of the worst parts, because they don’t have control of it in that moment, because it is an unconscious function of the body.
There is *NO* justification for abuse
Coomer Shinji....... yeah gonna stop you right there. Little miss asuka deserves NO SYMPATHY after what she did to shinji. If anything i would say its the same as Makima. That red head bimbo did the exact same shit to shinji.
Hope later in the future the anime can make sure that scene is sad to the audience
Many ppl don’t realize this, but I think the main issue is that nobody actually read the chapter, just heard “oh denji got laid btw”
"He probably wanted it" - is seen as a reasonable assessment, nobody bats an eye.
"She probably wanted it" - was the penultimate quote fuelling the women's movement.
And I'm all "umm... do you not see a pattern?"
Oh my goodness this is actually so true. SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!
assuming the victim wanted to be harassed just to justify the sin :((
@@1nabea_tutubi the whole definition of harassment... Is that the victim never wanted it to happen? I didn't think this needed to be explained to anyone but here we are...
@@classydays43 yeah just like i said? I didn't disagree with u ? what is your problem
@@classydays43 aight let me explain.. some weirdos always say "They probably wanted it" to justify the criminal's act but it wasn't because it was an act of harassment. I use "They" to make it clear that anyone can be a victim not just girls/women.
as a man who was groomed by an adult woman at the age of 14 I hope someday we will get the justice we deserve in media, if not real life, hopefully baby reindeer and chainsaw man will help that along.
As a very attractive guy, the fact that most people called me lucky or just outright ignored me when I kept telling people about two older women one 50 when I was 5, 5 and the other 17 when I was 12. If it was a man that was calling me their husband or boyfriend I'm sure the people including my parents would have had a different reaction seeing as the first time I was taken seriously was when I simply said there was a creepy male teacher nobody liked, no one questioned that one even though he didn't do anything to me personally.
i hope he didnt catch any false allegations but agreed. id consider myself average and i have a gf, but i went through puberty early so my face and body were a bit more mature and i would have female teachers favor me or older women make comments about my body/looks even in front of my parents. its very normalized for women to be inappropriate. its up to us to break the cycle
@@OzymandiasV2 Yes you see it in media and real life where it's normalized for women to say inappropriate stuff to much younger guys which is a horribly double standard that I actively try to educate everyone I meet about because I never look my age which made it worse because even when I was turning 16 soon and about to graduate, most adults mistook me for a 12 year old so there was no way to see me and say he looks mature for his age, I used to run away and avoid those women just hoping one person would believe me that I didn't want such attention at that age from someone older than my mother or a super senior about to graduate.
even as a girl I’m sure that people would have taken me more seriously if the one harrassing me were a man
Your a lucky guy, wish i was you
@@sonicwithglasses131 even in the scenario where that’s a joke you’re crazy
ive always found it interesting how chainsaw man shows how denji is constantly taken advantage of through the thing we wants most; a relationship, and how it always ends with him still being hurt. but despite that, he is still trying to have a sexual relationship. like ughhh this is one of the most heartbreaking motivations for a protagonist and no one takes it seriously...... give my boy a therapist
therapist is needed for sure. I really hope the author breaks apart the way he thinks about relationships, realizing how wrong it was for him to have been assaulted and taken advantage of by (mostly older) women. It would create such a complex story that has a very strong theme. From where I am, I think it is going that direction.
I also found it really sad with Denjis first kiss as it was probably a metaphor for how most SA survivors have their firts taken from them in shitty ways. But the really sad thing was afterwards he asked makima “if I kiss a girl again, will I only be able to taste vomit” which is so accurate cause there’ll always be that image of what happened in the back of your mind whenever you do sexual acts again (at least in my experience)
The last person I was seeing assaulted me and trapped me in our home and then she lied about what happened and made it sound like I attacked them when I didn't even defend myself against them, luckily it got dropped but it almost ruined my life. My dad's side of the family immediately assumed the worst and then got real quiet when it was disproven, they went straight to treating me like it was my fault. Its not okay to hurt others just because you got the urge to and a lot of people really don't take it seriously when it's a man being hurt and not only that they victim blame a lot
Like its been a year and Im still not able to feel comfortable getting close with someone on that level again.
Shit I'm glad you're fine now, but it seems that even despite the assaultants' manipulated claims being obviously false, they still have the nerve to blame you for it somehow. I want to assume now that it's been a year that they've changed their minds if you told them the full truth, but I doubt it. Tough world man
I’m sorry that you still got blamed for something you didn’t even did, I hope someday you can open up about it or being blamed cause you’re a man. Again my deepest condolences in hearing that and I hope more people can realize that male victims can be hurt too, and not jump into the worst situations.
I’m so sorry friend, just know your feelings and experiences are valid and I wish you the best in healing, you are strong and you matter
@@LukeTansiongco I love them and care about them despite everything so of course I want to understand why, but I'm too terrified to talk to them again. They did more than just get violent with me. We had fights where they waved knives in my face, they would like make these accusations telling me I would break stuff on purpose even when it was something that was super old and on its last legs, I would stay home all day cleaning and taking care of the cat and theyd come home drunk from the bar telling me like super insane stuff like they thought I followed them to the bar despite me not having a car and having severe agoraphobia, or say that all our friends hate me, then they would later apologize saying they overreacted and were just trying to hurt me (which I was so desperate to make things work I didnt register those things as red flags at all when they happened, I was just confused and wondered if it was my fault for not being good enough)
I really hate people that think being a male victim is fine because they “obviously like it” and crap like that. Last time I heard that I responded with “Oh so you would of liked your parents to drug you up and passed around at parties to countless random strangers doing who know what to you?” I worked with a kid that had that happen to him. He did not like it and it messed him up mentally.
People also seem to go right to thinking it was a woman who did it, which feeds into the " you were lucky" attitude while ignoring that male on male SA happens too. I guess I should clarify that I mean outside of prison settings, and in that case it's played off as a joke anyway.
They'd say males get SA too but when it actually gets represented in shows it's suddenly "he's so lucky!' like being groomed is not lucky.
Here is what I like about CH167, it establishes that Yoru is the one who doesn’t take consent into consideration and she is the aggressor like her sister Makima. Both Denji and Asa are victims because they didn’t consent to this. Definitely not Asa and most likely it seems Denji as well. Until we see more of how Denji feels at this point it now confirms what everyone was anticipating and comparing with Tokyo ghoul. That there will be an intimate scene between Asa and Denji, but this time it will highlight the theme of clear consent. Because most of the sexual jokes done against Denji are against his will and at his expense.
i agree and thats what i touched on when mentioning that the devil caused it. i think this might lead to a trauma bond or denji finally confronting what it felt like to have his feelings “reciprocated” in a fucked up way. Asa has a crush on denji but hates his immaturity and Denji wants to improve and be praised for being a hero and to have romantic intimacy and love. Definitely a lot for Fujimoto to work on i hope he doesnt go the comedy route
@@OzymandiasV2 yep, this will be Denji’s actual “consenual” healthy quirky relationship. There’s no going back from this point with the craziness of 167 now.
The chapter following showed how furious Asa was with what Yoru did, so thankfully she's still in the okay book.
As a dude, I cried when Denji spoke to the weird eye girl when they were in the car I believe,
and he explained how he is easily persuaded by kindness of a woman..
I never realized how easily manipulated I am, until recently & rethinking all my childhood trauma
kinda reminds me of the quote they tell fathers with their daughter,
"You better tell her you love her, before someone you don't want to will."
As a victim of grooming and online CSA I've always found it disheartening how male victims are treated. Nobody is "lucky" to be abused
Solution beneli m4
Remember when Armin was groped in season 3 and it became one of the biggest meme faces in anime that year...
What is wrong with those people 😨
I don't remember that. What episode is it?
@@norielgames4765 i think episode 2 or 3 of season 3
Armong deserves it for being the worst character
@@larb6314 no??? no one deserves that wth?
People are so fucking sexist and media literate I've literally seen people being called "sensitive twitter users" for simply pointing out this was assault. They think this can't be traumatic because he's been hurt worse. (Even though he's been hurt normally, not ever sexually. And yes, there is a very big difference between the two. Someone stabbing you vs someone violating you are extremely different traumatic events.) They think this wasn't assault simply because Denji didn't fight back. As if not fighting back means you wanted it. There are cases where people refrained from fighting back for fear of making it worse. Denji was in shock and didn't know what to do, 10 seconds ago Yoru just said she'd hurt him. If someone grabs you and says they're going to hurt you (and have hurt you before, as Yoru did also kick him in the nuts earlier), then they start making out with you, wouldn't you be in shock? Yes Denji could overpower her, but considering he doesn't know she's a devil and just thinks she's a regular person, he probably doesn't want to. But he didn't want this either.
It's not a simple situation, and the fact so many people are up in arms about "sensitive snowflakes" calling this for what it is, is really telling. Just think if the roles were reversed and Denji did this to Asa, everyone would be on the same page.
Womp womp
Personally the only reason I'm calling ppl weak and saying they deserve to be filtered from the fanbase is cause this was somehow the tipping point for them.
Nobody who treats the manga showing something on brand and horrible as a real crime being committed that should mean shame and hatred for the author understands wtf fiction even is.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Anyone who tries to shame the author for portraying a sensitive subject (in the correct manner) is ridiculous. It is still just fiction, no matter how uncomfortable you are.
My gripe was with the people saying Denji is lucky this happened to him.
Honestly for me, my experience was horrible, getting assaulted by my own older cousin at the age of 14, six years ago.
Craziest part is she is still living life, free of any charges or shame. I was just told to man up and live with it by my own family, and that’s exactly what I did (I had no choice, since where I live, no one takes male sexual assault seriously). Since then I only had myself. It was horrible and traumatic when it happened, but I came out of it stronger. Both physically and mentally.
Here’s to many more years..
im really sorry. I believe you and i hope you find the help and love you need
I hope you are ok dude
@@davida.m.4475 Me too
The Invincible comics, Berserk, and Sensitive Boy are one of the few comic/anime I came across that address males being victims. I am grateful for the show of nuances and it lites a fire in my heart whenever people dismiss the idea that males can be victimized too
Yeah, but when it comes to berserk, it makes me genuently sad how some "fans" joke about Guts being sold out by his own father figure, joke aboit silver coins, and how they call Guts' rapist whatever from "best waifu" to "s tier character". It's sickening and I dont think people adress this enough.
Honestly I don't even think enough people acknowledge lasting effect it had on Guts and how closed off he became because of his SA
And then berserk ends up shooting itself in the foot with the way it happened with Casca
@@TheTtttwilight are you referring to her state of madness or after she got fixed up mentally?
yeah but for berserk when it comes to female victims it’s ehhh….
@@garrisonjones1827 her state and the actual rape itself. there was no reason for it to span over a chapter and a half
I think the male vs female predators dilemma has to do with how we see men and women in society
Average man is portrait as someone bigger, stronger, more aggressive and more sexually driven
While average women is seen as someone smaller, weaker, less violent and someone who wouldn't do as much harm as a man
Obviously that is wrong but hey, you can't change society...right?
society is no monolith and civilization changed many times in history.
It is also to the benefit of modern societies to have men conditioned to a normality of psychological and physical abuse.
That's purity culture. Men do the using and women are "used". Reminds me of this old newspaper I read in the past that compared a woman with a high body count to chewed up gum. It's very disgusting and it's part of the reason I don't want to tell anyone about my being abused in the past. When you tell people things like that, they irreversibly look at you differently. You're not just a normal person to them anymore.
Its misandy plain and simple and has been this way from the dawn of time. I follow the Kamijou/kazuma school of True gender equality. Equal rights and equal lefts. Women want all the rights of a man then they have to give up all their power as a woman.
I'm a Sociology student,I support this.Even though society has changed throughout the years,this perspective of men and women is still used.Society lol
Yeah, the typical double standard I see online is when an attractive woman engages in sexual activity with an underage boy. Men will see it as a wet dream or they'll say "I wish that was me" but if the roles were reversed, it would turn into a Chris Hanson video.
For the Mineta part, I see him as the classic anime Purv much like Masta Roshi from Dragon Ball. Note that he has done a lot worse considering what age bulma was in Dragon ball. That's just how I see but it's still wrong to peep on the opposite sex. but than again, japan's comedy is different.
100%. Attractiveness and the the fantasy of being a “young guy charming an older woman” plays into it.
For Mineta and Master Roshi id say its the same weird character trope as other MCs. i wouldnt consider myself a “snowflake” but sometimes i just wanna watch something instead of having a subplot/fan service of a chick getting perved on.
I think it's not just men. Women seem to view it with indifference, and even get hostile if it is treated seriously, because many seem to view it as a threat to women's "victim status" if a man (or even a boy) is treated as a victim of a woman.
It's genuinely quite fucked up. I've talked to some women about a case like this and they all considered it to be "not that bad" compared to a female victim (even those that participated willingly). I've even seen a woman claim that the female perpetrator was the real "victim" in a case where the boy was like 9 or 10.
This attitude is just as sickening as those dudes who say that the boy was "lucky." I honestly consider it worse.
@@_Lumiere_ You can’t call her a victim if she participated willingly though.
I'm not saying it's right, but I think it's mainly due to evolution and who takes on the risk in reproduction. Male sperm is low cost, men don't bear the burdens or risks of pregnancy, breastfeeding, or have a baby to look after (unless they opt into it). On tbe other hand, female fertility is more finite, not just in years, but every pregnancy takes a huge burden on the body, you can't get pregnant again for around a tear, there is a chance of dying each time (very important in historical contexts) and you are stuck with an infant. So, from an objective, biological standpoint, SA of men is not as big a deal as SA on women, and is more akin to regular assault. While SA on women is a more serious violation of reproductive rights that risks killing them and reduces their chances of future offspring with a partner they choose.
@@OzymandiasV2 I don't disagree with the perviness part, sometimes i wish there was less too, but shonen at the end of the day is a genre for teenage boys, so oversexualization of the female characters is bound to happen given the demographic. It's like "Why are there bikini models in sports magazines?", it's just an appeal to the demographic.
The recent chapter where yoru SAs denji was so realistic becuase i remember freezing up when it happened to me. It’s weird because you want to push them off and tell them to stop but you just can’t because you’re so confused. Then after where he just kind of stares into space and doesn’t move. That’s so accurate. It upset me because I felt like the chapter was so well done but the reception online was so different and all the jokes really ruined it for me quite a bit.
Chainsaw man uses sex to not only explore Denji but also its antagonists and more grey characters. Like how Makima simply uses sex as a weapon becausw that's what humans get enticed by inspite of not feeling any sexual desires at all. To her denji was simply a body. Infact Makima's own desire was something as pure as a loving hug. She cries at the movie scene where a mother and son hug out genuine simple love. But I doubt the people thirsting after makima the devil for manipulating denji using human tactics like grooming understand the depth to the character.
this is a good angle on makima. i think i said in my discord or here that i wonder if/how she charmed Aki. From the beginning chapters, Aki was very defensive and jealous of Denji getting close to makima but then just stopped. it seems like she uses different factors for different characters (she most likely used Akis vendetta against the Gun Devil)
@@OzymandiasV2 yup Makima controlled everyone from angel to Aki to like her in some form by altering their memories. To angel she made him forget about his lover that makima herself killed and to Aki, she made him think she saved his life and became someone who gives him validation like a parent would.
Himeno is also explored through this lens of sexuality. Himeno who has lost so many of her buddies likes Aki and wants Aki to get out this dangerous job so that he doesn't die. She sees how much of a lap dog he becomes of makima's praise so when she sees makima taking a special interest in denji she tries to one up makima by trying to seduce denji away from makima but himeno fails at it cause she's not that kind of person and because makima had already gotten into Denji's head. Himeno was acting on her feelings of envy & inferiority towards Makima's control over everyone else in contrast to the utter lack of control himeno had on her own life in public safety.
yes you get it, I can't find good Makima discussion like ANYWHERE, except UA-cam sometimes funnily enough
I put a much much shorter version of this idea out on Reddit and had so many people come at me saying “oh he was clearly into it” in regard to 167. Really puts into perspective how male victims are truly treated
Where can I find it?
your first mistake was using Reddit man
Your first mistake is that u posted it on reddit, and the second one is that u expected sensible responses
@@juan_the_horse209 they never said anything about getting good responses tho?
@fangirl3323 I mean fair enough, it's Reddit
I love csm and I’ve never understood why people loved makima and It’s disgusting and disappointing that people weren’t and didn’t take what happened to denji seriously and were just saying “wish that was me”
But anyways this was an amazing video! And I wish everyone a happy men’s mental health month
Oh yeah, it is men's mental health month! I forgot that was a thing!
They think Denji was lucky because they want to have sex lol
Ion think they would stay with that mindset if they were SA'd though
It's kind of crazy how many comments under this video, even if trolling, are just proving how little people care about male victims.
Reading this chapter left me feeling sick, then I see that the majority of the discourse is just discrediting or completely not understanding it was infuriating lol. Glad to see thoughtful content
same. i got really lucky that the new chapter came out while i was making this video
Yeah it was really disgusting. At first I saw jokes about it being absurd and laughed along with them, but looking at it deeper made me feel terrible. I can't explain it but I haven't felt this bad in a while
Everyone is just saying it is "degen" or whatever, blaming Denji for being a "coomer". At the same time, it's pretty tame for CSM. We just see some bodily fluids. The fact that everyone is just ignoring how important this moment is for Denji and how terrible it is for both him and Asa who is trapped in her body as it is happening - it's just saddening.
It reminds me of when the anime first came out and every reaction I saw, especially from women, was just that of indifference or disgust towards Denji's unhealthy sexuality, which caused by his stunted social development. AKA not his fault.
They were shown a 16 year old boy who had to sell his organs to survive, who lived in a shed and dreamed to be intimate with a girl and have a nice breakfast, but the empathy just stops because his goal is to "touch boobs"? Completely disregarding the fact that this goal came about because his base desires were all he had. His experiences in life were so terrible that he simply could not dream bigger or have any aspirations beyond the most basic instinct. For a thing that he has been denied his entire life, intimacy. And then comes Makima, and people treat her "chair" scene with him as fan service. Idk, man, it annoyed me.
@@_Lumiere_ right on the money
@@_Lumiere_ Also importantly, in regards to his "touching a girl's boob" dream, Denji respects consent. He will not touch Power without her express permission and doesn't doggedly pursue it to the point of harassing her. He doesn't even ask her about it until she's already offered to let him do it in exchange for helping her get Meowsy back. She's the one who suggests it from the outset and the one who initiates it later. So even in this context where Denji is incredibly sheltered and mentally underdeveloped, he understands and respects consent better than most characters who fall into the "degen pervert" category in anime.
As a male victim, I wasn't just not taken seriously, most people didn't even believe me. Then there's the people on the internet saying "You're just making it up to start arguments." and "You wanna be a victim so bad."
It got so bad that I ended up dropping out of highschool because I ended up getting bullied and harrased by my abuser's friends after she slandered me for my entire highschool to see after I broke up with her.
That's on you mate. You committed a fatal mistake. Took it to the internet.
If you need to talk about it. Just don't go to the internet. Remember on the internet people just want to top off each other and act like the biggest victim. Talk with a professional, talk with your closest friends. Trying to proof it to the internet is a horrible idea
sorry to hear that. as a society we are sorely outmatched when it comes to people who know how handle this stuff let alone see men as victims sometimes. hope youre healing
A shocking number of people believe that it is completely impossible for it to happen to a man, and they pile further abuse on victims rather than change their worldviews.
@@RomnysGonzalez I can relate to him tbh. Never really had friends to talk to, especially about something as twisted as that. And professional help was pretty hard to come by since I was low income. I feel so many mental health resources always recommend you talk to a friend or a loved one. As if having a loved one that will keep your painful secret is somehow a given in this world.
I’m so sorry friend, your experiences are valid and real, I hope you are able to heal and are surrounded by the good people you deserve
The main discourse I've seen over 167 wasn't about the SA or manipulation of men, but "how could Fujimoto make this". People that say this completely ignore fact that it already happened multiple times in the series before, and some go further and ignore the fact that other media have SA and manipulation as well and that this is a piece of fiction and is meant to be commentary on it. If people couldn't handle this chapter I don't know how they made it this far without dropping it
Easy. Before Chapter 167, or even better before Part 2, Chainsaw Man was just a wacky-to-serious battle shounen. One that places a lot of emphasis on Denji finding himself and that also involves Denji being taken advantage of sexually, but one that had enough action scenes for people to elide. Even the obvious manipulator Makima was just taken as a final boss, albeit a final boss with SA themes, ignoring that Power did weird stuff, as did Himeno, and Reze also wanted to kill him, and now that Yoru did that Asa is also like that to Denji. Basically, it was shoved behind enough trappings that people did not care that by Chapter 167 Denji has been SA’d 3 times before, or at least sexually taken advantage of. Very literally, Denji would probably have to say stuff like “she SA’d me, but what does that mean” sort of thing to make it clear he was a victim of that by lack of experience in that area.
I used to not take the whole "male victims don't get taken seriously enough" thing as an exaggeration (mostly due to being naive,) and figured it was just an uncommon case thing.
I wish it was something I didn't have to learn firsthand
I was pleasantly surprised by how you approached this topic. Like highkey. Usually when I've seen the topic brought up, its always either 1. Downplaying women's trauma or 2. Not properly addressing how male victims are often having their trauma brushed under the rug by *other* men.
thank you! i try to keep my content balanced and nuanced! i have other vids on problems women face too on the channel. unfortunately i cant choose what blows up
@@OzymandiasV2 ofc, keep doing what you're doing you cooked !!! :)
exactly !! i was nervous to watch this at first bc a lot of times when people talk abt male SA victims they use it to downplay female SA victims, but he handled the topic really well and it’s really important that the trauma male SA victims go through is talked about in its own without trying to downplay other victims
As a woman who has male friends who have come forward with SA experiences it breaks my heart that they weren’t taken seriously or believed
Society has hit a new low. I believe the woman know that men won’t be taken seriously, and that’s why they do it. And dont get me wrong, it happens to women too. But we need actual equality, because currently, I feel like our rights are not very shared.
If what happened to denji happened to a girl, twitter would be twittering
a homeless orphaned 16 year old girl getting perved on by a middle aged man she works for…. sounds about right
Twitter is twittering tho
Wtf are you talking about, twiter is twittering
Honestly.
I wouldn’t complains
Cause these pussies are giant hypocrites 😂
Plus, THEY STILL TWIKKING so what cha mean? That sounds sexiest towards man’s, don’t be sexiest
@@3self Twitter is Twittering because he just nutted in a girl's hand. If it was gender swapped Twitter would've done it's thing before it got that far, let's be realistic
As somebody who was in a relationship with almost 20 year old guy when I was underage I can deeply relate to Denji in feeling like you are worth nothing but suddenly this very nice person comes to you and gives you affection and boosts your self esteem only to use and betray you in the end. Honestly its also kinda disgusting how most of the times male victims are brought up only to get laughed at or to dinimish female victims and not because of real compassion and empathy
Every time I see a meme about Denji “fumbling the baddest bitches in the world” I die inside.
Great job with this video and thank you for making it!
I feel so bad for denji because the only time he actually got a romantic love interest makima not only took her life because it would fuck her plan up, but she used reze to finish denji off completely by reviving her to fight denji. The problem is reze was the only one who liked denji, not chainsawman.
Also the fact that everyone and everything denji loved is lost is absolutely disgusting, I think denji is at the lowest point in his life right now. Meowy is dead(the only remnant of physical memory of power) Nayuta is missing.(the only person that unconditionally loves denji) Folk hates him. The only people that saved him were interested in chainsaw man again, not denji, and on top of that he gets sexually assaulted. It hurts seeing my boy getting shit on and after that being groomed into thinking he likes the shit he's in.
Real talk, Asa (preferably without Yoru) right now is our only hope of seeing Denji end up with a healthy relationship.
We're doomed.
Another EXTREMELY dark manga that masterfully deals with the subject of male grooming and power imbalances is Trail of Blood. In this case, the power imbalance of the groomer is even more extreme since it is a boy’s psychopathic mother doing the grooming and sexual coercion. It is an incredibly disturbing read and definitely not for the faint hearted but I think it is one of the best examples of a piece of media tackling the subjects discussed in this video.
Crazy that it ends with him as a lonely old man with no gf and a virgin
@@murderman8578 That's the scary part: in a video about that manga, I heard that all this was just the prologue.
@mikec1222 first 80 chaps is the prologue
Trail of Blood is the type of fever-dream experience that can fuck your mind. It does strike you with an impression.
That manga got me fucked up bad. The mother was really and completely irredeemable to the end
“nobody enters the cycle of violence as an abuser”
theres so much to say about this topic, and thank u for starting a convo about it. perfect victims do not exist. @ssault destroys things, and people do illogical things to cope with trauma.
people will jump through hoops to justify the way children are s3xualized in anime. just because stuff is legal doesn’t mean it’s ethical. woody allen groomed n married his DAUGHTER-legal ! 4 US states do not have a minimum age restriction for marriage (which means with parental consent, a child at ANY AGE can be married)-legal. ik as an american, japanese culture is different but that doesnt mean i can’t be critical of how sexuality is portrayed in mass media
I want to clarify something about the part of Japan's age of consent. Because the misconception about it that this UA-camr also has is dangerous. It can make a lot of a adult foreigners think that they can just go to Japan and hook up with 16yos no problem as long as it's consensual. However, there are overriding laws in Japan, more specifically, prefecture laws, that make it not okay for you to hook up with someone under 18. As an example, the age of consent in my country is also 16yo but that doesn't mean an adult can just hook up with a 16yo with no problem as long as its consensual. Because there's also the Law on Child Abuse that makes it illegal for an adult to hook up with someone under 18. When it comes to laws, the devil is on the details. Just because one law states something, doesn't mean that's all there is to it, you have to check every other law that might have connection to that, otherwise you'll get burned. That's why the practice of law is very hard.
To add more context, the age of consent in most states in America is also 16 and that goes for most Western countries. This misconception about Japan's age of consent also leads to many in the West thinking that Japan and other Asian countries are backwards where in reality they should check the age of consent in their own countries because it is likely the same or even lower.
it only works if somebody snitches. its not about the age. japan has less snitching culture
@@QWERTY-gp8fd That is still not the point. The point is, legally speaking, you're still now allowed to hook up with 16-17yos in Japan if you're an adult. Statements like what this UA-camr said in one part of this video promotes misconception that it's legally allowed. It's not.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Why trolling like a bih ain't you tired? Trynna strike a chord and it's prolly A minorrrrrr
@@The_BlOb i am not trolling im only speaking about what i experienced in japan.
You know,the whole argument or debate about it never really made sense to me and always gave me an icky feeling. I always understood it as those under that age just cannot really concent to doing such acts,as it isn't recommended to do those things before that point as they are far too young and immature, and it is always within the age groups at that point and before 18. It is somewhat a way to reconize the little autonomy of minors at that point and also help protect those under that point from those who are past it. At least that was how my parents describe it to me as a teen. granted i'm sure that it is possibly taking in other laws you just explained that help protect minors from adults by default and tie it up in a simple explaination and law. made complete sense and is how i treat it no matter where the subject is.
the anime community really needs this conversation im glad someone's finally speaking about this. so sick of people calling male victims lucky (they're always the same ones speaking over others to talk about mens mental health too)
Stuff like that is really annoying. Like, just because you’re into that stuff doesn’t mean other people are.
Tbh, most people watching anime are probably 15-25, so you can't expect much from them.
@EnraiChannel in the year we're in id say 15-25 year olds thinking rape is funny and normal is actually something we should not expect from them...
It's genuinely relieving to hear you describe Denji as a person, an affection starved teen trying to navigate trauma rather than just being described as more "non-human"-ish. I've had this interpretation of Denji as being less of a "haha look it's a horny selfish teen" and way more of a look at sociopathy or that he's at least very "sociopath coded" as sociopathy is predominantly seen as a learned behavior. He wasn't always so dead inside with his only desires being material, when he was with Pochita despite being endlessly beaten down he was clinging to some hope that life would get better, it's only after ep1 when Pochita saves him that he slides into this detachment and at multiple times he even comments to himself like "huh, I think this sort of thing would've made me feel something before, why doesn't it now? Oh well. I think I should still do what old me would've probably done anyway" like when he visits Aki in hospital and actively tries to be nice despite genuinely feeling pretty indifferent to it all. He wants to be loved, wants to feel but has near entirely lost the ability to do so since Pochita saved him. Whether that's bc of him losing Pochita from his life/that event being a trauma that pushed him over the edge and made him learn to fully mentally block out many of his emotions or somethin' else I dunno.
In short it's nice to hear ANYONE describe him as more than just "funni haha dumb self-focused and horny"
I've only seen up to where the anime has ended of CSM and I do intend to read the manga so if anyone replies plz don't spoil me
I’ve been groomed by teachers twice in my life. Once as a minor and the other by a professor in my 20s. A very common reaction I got from both male and female friends was stuff like, “is she hot?” “you’re a lucky guy” and “you should have gone for it.” It makes it really hard to open up about these kinds of things especially because I have a lot of negative emotions about it
I truly, genuinely hope that Denji can have one positive female figure in his life, someone his age that he can just be friends with. He deserves it.
On the topic of age of consent, I think it's really sad how many people just associate pedophilia with legislation and completely ignore what actually makes it a real problem. It's not a matter of being above or bellow an arbitrary number, it's a matter of maturity and mental health. The number itself doesn't actually matter in the slightest, but people get so focused on it and being or not legal that they don't realize that.
For example, if Denji had the exact same personality and experiences, but just happened to be 18, it'd still be very wrong regardless, even if you account for hormonal changes due to age and everything, because the main issue is Denji's lack of social experience. His age isn't the problem here, his immaturity and gullibility when it comes to human interactions is.
Same applies to people getting caught up in the character's appearence too, and I don't just mean that as in "It's wrong because they look young", I mean it both ways.
For example, just look at the way people talk about characters like Katarina (Hamefura) or Emilia (Re:Zero) who are either very imature/innocent for their age or physically older than their mental age, characters like Denji (Chainsaw Man, obviously) or the Hero Academia girls (Boku no Hero Academia, obviously) who are drawn in a way that it's hard to tell their age, and characters like Illyasviel (Fate/Stay Night) or Miquella (Elden Ring), who are physically unable to age and mentally older.
No one really minds people sexualizing the first regardless of their mental age, the second is often filled with both people saying it's fine because of their looks or people acussing them saying "They're actually x years old". And the third has people accusing their sexualization not because they're physically immature, but specifically because they look young, as well as people sexualizing them not because they're mentally mature, but because they're actually older. Regardless of which side is right or wrong, neither uses the arguments they actually should be using, so many people don't give a shit about whether the character is mature or not, both physically and especially mentally, they just care about the superficial looks and numbers. I specifically pointed out Illya and Miquella because I think it's a really big problem that characters who don't age and characters who age normally but just look like kids are often treated the exact same way, when they definitely shouldn't be.
I'm a victim of SA (I'm male) and to all my people male or female who had SA happen to them.
Gender does not matter. SA should be treated the same regardless of gender. Male victims and female victims should both unite and not think of the other as being less or more. SA is SA
SA's effects devastate me to this day but I'm healing.
I struggled so much until I went to therapy for it so I can recommend a trauma therapist
You can heal
You can feel human again
You can feel OK again
I attest to that
Thank you for the video
No ?
We all know women are more important so we should respect them
@@cideltacommand7169 Man, I'm saying that both are equally important. Not that one is more important than the other.
I'm saying we should have equality
What you are saying is against equality
Plus should crimes in court really be affected by gender in this context?
I don't think so
@@gxashxg299 Your opinion dosent matter on the fact that we are simply seen as inferior by most people
@@cideltacommand7169 OK well clearly you have been hurt a lot before.
We are all equal, and we should all be treated well.
Don't continue the cycle of hatred
Break it and realize in the end we are all six feet under
Man or women both
@@gxashxg299 What have you been smoking ?
Are you sober or that out of touch with reality
Watching this whole perspective as a girl is so infuriating. The last part really struck me, I’ve had smililar experience but with a adult man, no one had ever discourated my experience as less than the actual grooming it was, even as just one act. I love seeing people actually open up about this stuff, the roles of men and women get so thrown around and weaponised we seem to forget ANYONE can be predator, instead of waving something off because a woman isnt “usually” in that position of blame. The tonedeafness of people is also just tiring, one of the only good things about the internet is the easy acces to speak up, and I’m so happy to see people stand against and recognize when something is bad, I rlly hope the csm fandom starts seeing the issues as real issues more. Thank you for making this video and I’m so sorry you have ever gotten discredited, thank you for speaking up you deserve all the voice in the world don’t let anyone take it away from you🙏
just so you know too, that this type of male victimhood indifference and dismissal pretty much encompasses all aspects of abuse, not just sexual.
unfortunately the ppl that dismiss male abuse the most are females, more good women need to talk about and teach their daughters/friends/families about this topic.
fr same :(((
I'm glad you're talking about this, despite people raising issues on the topic in the past, we seem to have not been able to break the cycle yet, but there still has been baby step progress towards it and you're a part of that.
this means a lot thank you!
On top of having no money, family or friends It is explicilty stated it that Denji isn't legally a human being so he has not rights at all, not even human ones. Public Safety and pretty much anyone can do anything to him without facing consequences. From his inception, Denji as character was setup as the perfect "prey".
It's also a shame that many people took a long time to realize that Fumiko was a bad guy. Even though the first time she does is touching Denji without his consent
i thought about including that portion but i didnt expect the vid to blow up this much and didnt want to make it too manga spoiler heavy but 100%. also denjis monologue
People were all uppity when she left Nayuta and Denji for dead after mocking their pets, but I knew she was trouble from the start when she sexually assaulted Denji despite him clearly being depressed and asking to be left alone.
Oh My God someone who understands chainsawman fully Im gonna cry
As someone who was shown the fine taste of fresh grapes by a lady when I was 6 years old, I ADORE this video. I'm so sorry about your experience with your friends mom.
Trust me on this: for something that DEEPLY explores this topic, you should read a manga called Sensitive Boy
thank you! ill check it out when i have time. hope youre healing
I know the feeling. I'm glad to see there is a group of people here who I know for a fact will take me seriously when I talk about my experiences.
“The fine taste of Fresh Grapes” is actually diabolical 😂, that’s one hell of a way to beat around that bush.
I saw sensitive boy but the comments were ppl who were saying they wish it was them💀💀💀
@@Arcaeau haha yeah. As has been true since the first time I went on the Internet in 1993, Don't Read The Comments.
Present company excepted, of course.
A manga that really does a good job at portraying SA on males is Berserk with the main character Guts.
real. its really sad that berserk fans also make so many rape jokes and center the manga around it
@@OzymandiasV2 yeah, I hate it when they do that.
It’s beautiful to see people talking more about this. It’s a problem faced by men not only by women emasculating men but also men emasculating men and seeing anything sexual as a good position to reach. Denjis reflection on his sexuality and past relationships that lead to his realization that his sexuality has become a hinderance because of how many people tried taking advantage of him was so sad. Fujimoto truly knows how to write characters that genuinely feel real. Also I’m so sorry that happened to you, that sounds really uncomfortable and I’m hoping you’re doing better.
As a female, I think it's actually so fucked up that characters can get away with stuff just because they're conventionally attractive. Take Hisoka, he literally joked about SA'ing Killua and people brush it off because he's hot. Or Mei Mei, people are saying they are jealous of her brother just because she's fine. It's actually so stupid. And unfortunately too common. I also think some of the most absurd shit I've heard is that men can't be victims. Eugh, like, educate yourself
Many people fail to see the actual dangers of being a male victim, most people are complaining wishing they were in the victims place, but fail to realize how actually scary it is
My friend was in this situation, and i had to take care of his back for a while until he got a restraining order
It was really scary having to deal with this situation
The funny thing is how people react to 167
I saw a lot of crying out for Asa due to her victim-blaming behavior,feeling guilty over her body being literally possessed by an actual devil to do sexual acts on another non-consenting party. Asa didn't do that,Yoru did that. Both Denji and Asa in that moment are victims,one wasn't in a correct state of mind and the other literally didn't have bodily autonomy.
I judge people who say they like CSM based on how they talk about Denji. Cause at first I also rolled my eyes thinking "oh great the pervy trope as a protag,is this gonna be Meliodas again?" but I quickly realized Denji is just traumatized. His hypersexuality was always part of his desire to have a "normal life" cause he only knew what "normal" was from an outside perspective. And Makima offering that "normalcy" connecting it to sexual interactions only blurred the line further.
Denji is a great example of an SA victim that copes through hypersexual behaviors.
Seeing men and women mocking SA male victims is sad....
It’s only people so sexless and desperate that they’d welcome it on themselves
As a man that is a victim of SA from a woman perpetrator. Thank you for this video. I have for so long wanted to articulate why I love CSM and how I feel and see my own experience afterwards through Denji's actions. Your video properly articulates it far better than I ever have. Thank you so much for this. Video literally made me cry to have somebody else recognize what I saw and felt from this media.
Something to note is that men and women are attracted to different things, since nami was provided as an example of sexualization, I’ll proffer the counterpoint of Zoro. His propensity of shows of strength and build are very attractive to a female audience, in general anime is designed to show idealized human forms to trigger the halo effect in people (movies do it too), and is why characters who are not meant to be sympathetic are not typically traditionally attractive, such as blackbeard
Back to the original topic, this application of the halo effect is *very* heavily used in regards to makima, leading to it to be easier for her to manipulate the people around her, despite her blatant red flags.
I’d argue though the Zoro is solely drawn that way to be specialized but to also match the power fantasy of the young male audience where as all the attractive women in one piece have grown into the same of body type. One piece was primarily drawn for an audience of young boys and now men even though there are of course tons of women and girls who are fans.
The “attractive lady body type” body type does nothing to signify strength and everything to signify attractiveness. How does every attractive female character have a super skinny waist and large breast with no muscles despite being extremely strong? Even the ones who fight with weapons like swords. Like Tashigi’s body post time skip is completely different and suddenly her shirts always open and her body is the same as every other female character. And the gratuitous amount of butt fan service in the egg head arc. And he has so many female characters with the same face especially in the late seasons where as the men get distinct facial features. Oda has also made many sexist remarks about women and it really shows in the ways he draws women. Oda doesn’t care that much about female fans enough to give the fan service.
Oda himself when criticized by women fans has said that he is drawing “A man’s dream” and that a woman editor would be accepted into the office if she was “a beautiful babe with big knockers” but the office is full of perverts so she shouldn’t come. When drawing genderbent characters, he gave them the same attractive lady body type but now zoro won’t hold a sword in “her” mouth because she’ll chop teeth and woman luffy only wants to eat salad. He draws women that way solely because it’s attractive to him and it’s fan service while men are drawn that way because he thinks they look strong. If you look at his replies to female fans, it’s clear he really does not care about their opinion or what they find attractive, again he’s drawing for what he thinks is “a man’s dream”.
These are his own words: Oda (2018): I appreciate that One Piece characters are popular among women, but basically I want to draw them in a way that boy readers find cool and interesting. For example, Sanji is not only cool but also a pervert. The ones that are liked by the same gender are trustworthy.
O: Whoa. The girls are rebelling. What are you gonna do about that, guys?! OK, leave it to me! I’ll lay down the law for us all. What the hell are you talking about? I’m a goddamn shonen manga-ka! A MAN’S DREAM!! NEVER ENDS!!! (That was good) (Chapter 381, Page 86)
Q: Is it possible for a woman to become an editor of One Piece? Or are all the editors of boys' comics supposed to be men?
--Uekiman
A: A Beautiful BaBe with BiG knockers is fine By me!
If I had an editor like that, i'd work even harder! Only I think I might not draw as fast! But to Be honest, the editorial department of Jump is filled with perverts. I think it's in your best interests to stay away from there
Q: Mr. Oda, you are guilty of sexual harassment.
- Representative of all girls A: What?!I didn't say anything that can Be called harassment!!
have no idea what you're talking aBout.
Q: Nami's bust measurement of 95 equals what cup size?
- Nami-loving Man A: So you're the culprit! Questions like yours are why the Girls are protesting up aBovel! Although I'm curious too! » But cup size is hard to determine. They use terms like "Band size" and "cup size" that I don't understand. I wish our female readers would enlighten us. What are
Nami and Rosin's cup sizes? (+ sexual harassment)
D: Nice to meet you. This is sudden, but… please teach us a tip or two on how to draw that hawt hourglass body all ONE PIECE female characters seem to have! Make sure you don’t forget to include their airbags ♡
P.N. If there’s no bread, let them eat roses~
O: Yes. Hello. It’s drawing time at the SBS segment. I would suggest that you think of a woman’s proportions as “three circles, one X”. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll be leaving. (I only draw this kind of body, so I get a lot of complaint postcards from my female audience. Let’s all stay strong and keep on living life.) (Chapter 786, Page 24)
I like how you included your previous thought of chapter 166, makes this video feel a lot more reassuring and informative!
thank you! i was coming home to edit the last 2 minutes and then i saw the new chapter on tiktok and i was baffled at how “good” the timing was
Denji has always only strived for his basic needs. Food, shelter and that's something Makima used to manipulate him, just using the little he wanted to then slowly break him appart. It's insanely fucked up but seeing Denji progress and realise about the true value he has as a person is also an amazing part of chainsaw man. The realism is insane
I can’t stress enough how much the reaction to chapter 167 disappointed me. There were so many people saying that Denji was lucky and liked it and even CELEBRATED what happened as a “win” for him. Imagine missing the point that badly. Not to mention the people blaming Asa for it or saying she also enjoyed it despite the fact that it was Yoru at fault in the case. I hate how many gooners watch and read Chainsaw man and find it relatable for all the wrong reasons because they consistently miss the important points this amazing piece of media is trying to present.