Always have been. Perfect god roll legendaries always were the stronger pick than most exotics since the beginning of D1. A green machine gun Xerxes c could roll focused fire and two tap kids in pvp that way, it is Xenophage’s father but back then it was horrific to fight because you never were ready before it was too late. And that was just an intriguing green, but yeah, god roll legendaries are rarer than exotics and more effective than a large amount of exotics if it’s a great weapon and one you want to use.
I think Banshee should get a rework (something like the playlist vendors) that lets you buy/earn the world drops as well as the old craftable seasonal weapons for anyone that missed them
They should just straight up add the Foundry focusing options we had in Plunder and the new weapons with the Field Tested trait. It would still be a good bit of RNG, but it wouldn't feel completely hopeless like it does now.
Yeah I really like the idea of giving players a chance to get the old cartable seasonal weapons. The deep sight harmonizers were a step in a right direction, but I feel like those are something that should be reserved for craftable raid weapons. Like, I feel like newer players (or players that took a break during a particular season) shouldn't have to waste their deep sight harmonizers on weapons from previous seasons (and I'm somebody who hasn't missed a season and has every seasonal weapon crafted. So I'm not just saying that because I'm upset that I missed out on craftable weapons from a particular season or anything like that.).
being able to focus different foundries of weapons back in season 18, and then focusing world weapons in season 19, were some of the best changes bungie made.
First day of the expansion I got one with adagio and it fucking slaps. Adagio is a guaranteed 2 tap against any resilience and no need to reload since the reload speed is dogshit. This does mean that you need to run backup mag or extended/tactical mag. One of my favorite guns released so far.
I dont know why we cant just go to banshee and pick a weapon of our choosing from a long list of weapons. It gives us this bounty-like quest like the guns from the moon and lets us choose from hand cannon, auto etc. Just get kills and or burns with said element to complete it which wont bore you from doing raids to sitting in shuro chi. Bring it back to banshee and boom world drop god roll 120 or garbage roll whatever you get you can can just pick it back up. PS: i could have sworn we could buy hakke and viest weapons a few seasons ago.
You can snap-skate-icarus dash for another use of the snap-skate tech if you want to instantly get up to top speed. Basically how twilight-titan skate worked.
@@Devinyyz yes. The input is as follows: SLIDE -> JUMP (while in slide animation) + SUPER (while super is not fully charged) -> activate BURST GLIDE (ASAP) -> ICARUS DASH (immediately after) Once you get the muscle memory down, it is extremely consistent. The only issue you may find is that some keyboard/controller button binds may make it more difficult/convoluted. For instance, the default super bind on console requires both bumpers to be pressed, which requires a whole finger that could be already on another button. I’d recommend some form of bumper-jumper to make things more mechanically viable, as the default configuration would require some precise clawing or pro/scuf controllers. Also, don’t forget you can bind actions to clicking down the left and right sticks, as well as the directional pad, as they are often used for useless binds.
I really hate how bloated the world drop pool is now, they REALLY need to break the pool apart and spread it across the open worlds and boom reason to go to those places again. That and that mf handy deserved to be in the spire dungeon WAAAAAYY more that whatever the the seventh seraph weapons were doing, the auto really? Why not the shotty man
If I remember right, the magazine display is just a weird way that the game calculates the "Ammo" stat. Backup Mag doesn't quite bring it up to 11, so it rounds down to 10. I could also be completely wrong.
I do enjoy these 120's now that they are more readily available. But at the end of the day, it's the same song and dance with a larger perk pool, when it was already a thing many moons ago. it's safe to say, we need that 180 overhaul to shake things up.
120's feel pretty good on the sticks but i personally feel it needs more stability for it to feel smooth, low stability 120's feel miserable but 40+ stability on a 120 feels really nice
120’s on roller are hit or miss for me granted I’m super picky with HC’s in general but igneous is the only 120 that’s ever felt super great to me at least
I think the major issue is that world drops nowadays don't drop from the world tbh. They just need their drop rate super buffed or something bc they pretty much don't exist rn
@@SayWallahBruhlol, nah, i’ve tried it to scout’s, pulse rifle’s, auto rifle’s and smg’s, i havent tried it with other types, but it may be worse on console with the bug
I feel they should make it so we can farm world drops from public events and every planet has its own rotation of world drop items you can get and making them heroic public events give you a 100% drop chance for 1 drop because at least this way I can actually GET THE DAMN GUNS!
That's not a bug on mag stat. Since it is a percentage based stat like they all are it has a lower mag stat so it's mag gains are limited aswell. Gambit smg only has 25 so backup mag only boosts up to 27. The new coronach ar has a higher base mag stat for 600 auto so its base is like.. 49 I think?. Only perk that ignores percentage is tactical mag and adds guaranteed 1 round to magazine.
Out of everything this season Combined Action is my favorite weapon to come out and there is no way for us to farm it. All the other weapons to come out or come back this season although they look amazing they all feel pretty lack luster, at least to me anyways.
@@MandrewTheFrog dude adagio has become my new favorite perk for a 120 HC after playing with it. I understand why most people want killclip over adagio but hitting that 104 per crit is just so damn satisfying even though it slows the fire rate. I bought the perfect float/adagio roll from Banshee and have barely been able to take it off since. I would like a zen moment roll though too.
U shoulda picked it up from banshee when it rolled with adagio. Turns it into pre much a 110 (kinda same as zen) but does 104 per bullet without having to reload
Banshee has sold a couple useable versions of this. The one i picked up is Tunnel Vision, Kill Clip with Fluted Barrel and a stability masterwork. It's actually got better stats then yours but with TV instead of ZM so don't sleep on Banshee.
You slide and then use your super button to snap cancel and you keep the momentum of your slide into your jump. makes jumping have a lot more velocity right off the start.
if only we werent getting all these heavy gls and armour and crap from over a year ago instead of something even remotely close to even odds for all the world drops
Banshee sold a Tunnel Vision - Kill Clip roll the other week granted the Handling was ass on the roll but with 61 stability for a 120 i enjoy using it xD
Now that you mention it, i dont think ive gotten a single Combined Action world drop outside of Banshee. It’s just that dogshit heavy GL Memory Interdict 9/10 times 😂
Wish adagio had the falloff scalar like old opening shot or killing wind but the 2 taps still feel super crispy even if it is a tenth of a second slower ttk
Not ideal but according to d2foundry you can 2 tap with adagio against all resils... .6 instead of .54 ttk I have a roll with perfect float adagio which is kinda nice with float-locke ae and flinch resist + damage perk
I'm surprised saint and drifter were the first to get engram focusing for their respective loot instead of the damn gunsmith, considering his job is to make and distribute guns😱
Offhand Strike + Hipfire Grip with Freehand has me hitting max dmg headshots at 45 fucking metres. It's like a 500 magnum Last Word and I love it on Lucky Pants Hunter.
Zen moment is useless on the weapon, you will literally get 1 or 2, maybe 3 if you only hit body shots, zen moment increases by one stack for every hit you land, basically it’s better on automatic weapons or sidearms.
Its funny how the rarest guns in the game are the world and playlist drops. Mostly world drops but still. I can’t for the life of me get a good role on bottom dollar - perk pool is rediculous
@@rickiboulter3053 I'll be honest with you. In season 13, with 120 meta and them adding gambit focusing that previously costed 100 shards. I had 28k shards. Now i have 8k. I have been top 100 in gambit for 6 seasons. I stopped 2 seasons ago. The god role I want doesn't drop. Its ridiculous.
@@fluffaduck6206 I play no where near that much gambit and have almost every roll you can have on it. One of the best 120's in the game. What roll are you trying to get?
People often complain about reused models, which is fair, but at the same time I will not pass the opportunity to use a new weapon that looks just like dire promise because I absolutely love this gun model. lol
Oh okay ! I was wondering I was like damn 😂. Love your streams btw man I haven’t caught it live yet but Ive converted to strand hunter and learn a lot from your gameplay 🔥
You and the other comments are making me feel pretty lucky!!!😁👍 I am playing on Xbox with the roll Fluted Barrel/FlaredMagwell/TunnelVision/KillClip/StabilityMW & Back-up Mag = a 120 controller/console monster!!!😈😈😈
Are you high? Banshee has sold great rolls of this including adagio and eddy current which helps reload after sprinting with high stability and tunnel vision kill clip twice with different masterworks.
I got a world drop called last foray. It’s an aggressive frame sniper with the field tested origin trait. Only thing good on my role is handling mw. I love this model of sniper and wish I could farm for them, but bungie is doing bungie things. Banshee, plz sell a good role. Also banshee, please have an option to get older seasonal weapons so I can craft them
Backup mag incorrection is not just this gun's bug. It present on many other guns, bungie just are either slow as always or just don't give a fuck as usual.
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@@SayWallahBruhdoes the shaker make you mentally impaired or what because this dude cant spell
World drops are the real exotics nowadays.
Best way to describe them
Always have been. Perfect god roll legendaries always were the stronger pick than most exotics since the beginning of D1. A green machine gun Xerxes c could roll focused fire and two tap kids in pvp that way, it is Xenophage’s father but back then it was horrific to fight because you never were ready before it was too late. And that was just an intriguing green, but yeah, god roll legendaries are rarer than exotics and more effective than a large amount of exotics if it’s a great weapon and one you want to use.
What makes them worse is that both perk columns have at most 10, making the roll you want dropping at around 1% chance
You feel like a god when you get it though, I felt unstoppable when I got my adept rufus's fury roll with the perfect masterwork and both perks.
I think Banshee should get a rework (something like the playlist vendors) that lets you buy/earn the world drops as well as the old craftable seasonal weapons for anyone that missed them
They should just straight up add the Foundry focusing options we had in Plunder and the new weapons with the Field Tested trait. It would still be a good bit of RNG, but it wouldn't feel completely hopeless like it does now.
@@findthereal12 They could add that back sure, but I would rather them just fix the system entirely if they're going to take the time to do it
This. This right here Bungie.
Yeah I really like the idea of giving players a chance to get the old cartable seasonal weapons. The deep sight harmonizers were a step in a right direction, but I feel like those are something that should be reserved for craftable raid weapons. Like, I feel like newer players (or players that took a break during a particular season) shouldn't have to waste their deep sight harmonizers on weapons from previous seasons (and I'm somebody who hasn't missed a season and has every seasonal weapon crafted. So I'm not just saying that because I'm upset that I missed out on craftable weapons from a particular season or anything like that.).
for the love of god no, do you know how long it takes to level gunsmith
being able to focus different foundries of weapons back in season 18, and then focusing world weapons in season 19, were some of the best changes bungie made.
First day of the expansion I got one with adagio and it fucking slaps. Adagio is a guaranteed 2 tap against any resilience and no need to reload since the reload speed is dogshit. This does mean that you need to run backup mag or extended/tactical mag. One of my favorite guns released so far.
I dont know why we cant just go to banshee and pick a weapon of our choosing from a long list of weapons. It gives us this bounty-like quest like the guns from the moon and lets us choose from hand cannon, auto etc. Just get kills and or burns with said element to complete it which wont bore you from doing raids to sitting in shuro chi. Bring it back to banshee and boom world drop god roll 120 or garbage roll whatever you get you can can just pick it back up.
PS: i could have sworn we could buy hakke and viest weapons a few seasons ago.
You can snap-skate-icarus dash for another use of the snap-skate tech if you want to instantly get up to top speed. Basically how twilight-titan skate worked.
Can this be done on controller?
@@Devinyyz yes. The input is as follows:
SLIDE ->
JUMP (while in slide animation) + SUPER (while super is not fully charged) ->
activate BURST GLIDE (ASAP) ->
ICARUS DASH (immediately after)
Once you get the muscle memory down, it is extremely consistent. The only issue you may find is that some keyboard/controller button binds may make it more difficult/convoluted. For instance, the default super bind on console requires both bumpers to be pressed, which requires a whole finger that could be already on another button. I’d recommend some form of bumper-jumper to make things more mechanically viable, as the default configuration would require some precise clawing or pro/scuf controllers. Also, don’t forget you can bind actions to clicking down the left and right sticks, as well as the directional pad, as they are often used for useless binds.
Even with a 41 stability roll, this thing FEELS incredible.
The Dire Promise style top break revolvers always feel incredible
I really hate how bloated the world drop pool is now, they REALLY need to break the pool apart and spread it across the open worlds and boom reason to go to those places again.
That and that mf handy deserved to be in the spire dungeon WAAAAAYY more that whatever the the seventh seraph weapons were doing, the auto really? Why not the shotty man
If I remember right, the magazine display is just a weird way that the game calculates the "Ammo" stat. Backup Mag doesn't quite bring it up to 11, so it rounds down to 10. I could also be completely wrong.
No you're right it's always been like this and MANY guns have this issue.
@@lanceseaman88 good example are aggressive snipes (and linears) - some require appended mag + mod, some extended + mod to reach 5 (7 for linears)
I don't know what it is but there's something about the Old Fashioned/Dire Promise model that just makes shooting them feel so crispy.
There’s a load of guns that have inaccurate displays when modifying mag size, whether it be extended mag appended or backup
I do enjoy these 120's now that they are more readily available. But at the end of the day, it's the same song and dance with a larger perk pool, when it was already a thing many moons ago. it's safe to say, we need that 180 overhaul to shake things up.
It's not just this gun that has that ammo glitch there are numerous across all archetype
I love this HandCannon!!!
0:34 I’m a skilled controller player and I can confirm 120 on controller are very good. I use igneous hammer with conditional finality a lot
9:30
i was running devour with acasias and travelers on tricksleves, very very fun. im sad i wasn't doing very well those games though :c
You were slaying on my team wym???
@@SayWallahBruh i guess lol
120's feel pretty good on the sticks but i personally feel it needs more stability for it to feel smooth, low stability 120's feel miserable but 40+ stability on a 120 feels really nice
120’s on roller are hit or miss for me granted I’m super picky with HC’s in general but igneous is the only 120 that’s ever felt super great to me at least
My first drop of this was Tunnel vision/KC. With a stability MW i love it.
i know that terminal overload drops a decent amount of world drops so keep that in mind to have a chance to get weapons like these :)
Requires grinding Terminal Overload though, and with the amount of clueless blueberries that do TO, id rather shove my head through a wall
I think the major issue is that world drops nowadays don't drop from the world tbh. They just need their drop rate super buffed or something bc they pretty much don't exist rn
I think backup mag is broken on everything, i tried it with most weapons i have, it does exactly what you just showed
Damn then this thing has 7 bullets? 😅
@@SayWallahBruhlol, nah, i’ve tried it to scout’s, pulse rifle’s, auto rifle’s and smg’s, i havent tried it with other types, but it may be worse on console with the bug
I feel like with ZM you can go lower on stability on controller, closer to how MNK 120’s are rolled. I’d kill for that roll tho.
I feel they should make it so we can farm world drops from public events and every planet has its own rotation of world drop items you can get and making them heroic public events give you a 100% drop chance for 1 drop because at least this way I can actually GET THE DAMN GUNS!
As a controller player who likes 120s, its a struggle but once you get used to the recoil they go brazy.
Gunsmith sold a perfect float/adagio roll recently, goes so hard
idk why but the sound of this gun 2 tapping is so ruthless
I’ve missed the live comms so much thank you wallah 😭
Love you brother
the field test origin trait makes this gun really fun for snowballing in 6's or rumble
That's not a bug on mag stat.
Since it is a percentage based stat like they all are it has a lower mag stat so it's mag gains are limited aswell.
Gambit smg only has 25 so backup mag only boosts up to 27.
The new coronach ar has a higher base mag stat for 600 auto so its base is like.. 49 I think?.
Only perk that ignores percentage is tactical mag and adds guaranteed 1 round to magazine.
The thingy with the backup mag is for most guns, not only the hand cannon. I notice this cause i just really like weapons having a bigger mag
Out of everything this season Combined Action is my favorite weapon to come out and there is no way for us to farm it. All the other weapons to come out or come back this season although they look amazing they all feel pretty lack luster, at least to me anyways.
I just want an adagio roll and I haven't even had the weapon drop yet 😞
@@MandrewTheFrog dude adagio has become my new favorite perk for a 120 HC after playing with it. I understand why most people want killclip over adagio but hitting that 104 per crit is just so damn satisfying even though it slows the fire rate. I bought the perfect float/adagio roll from Banshee and have barely been able to take it off since. I would like a zen moment roll though too.
U shoulda picked it up from banshee when it rolled with adagio. Turns it into pre much a 110 (kinda same as zen) but does 104 per bullet without having to reload
Question what are some beginner hand cannons to use in pvp
Best one for beginners is ace of spades
i got that exact roll and never used it, might give it a try later
Banshee has sold a couple useable versions of this. The one i picked up is Tunnel Vision, Kill Clip with Fluted Barrel and a stability masterwork. It's actually got better stats then yours but with TV instead of ZM so don't sleep on Banshee.
I got the same role expect kill clip I got timed payoad haven’t used it yet but it seems ari
You got the Ice dude, do the ice shaker.
Love the video, but can someone explain the snap melee movement? I don’t understand what it’s doing.
Helps keep momentum
I don’t think I showed it off properly since I’m a newb with it! Next video I’ll play dawn again with T steps to show it off better for ya
You slide and then use your super button to snap cancel and you keep the momentum of your slide into your jump. makes jumping have a lot more velocity right off the start.
Hand cannon go brrrrrrrr with kc
"The only thing cool about it is the snap skating"
He says while moving half as fast as he can with it.
if only we werent getting all these heavy gls and armour and crap from over a year ago instead of something even remotely close to even odds for all the world drops
Banshee sold a Tunnel Vision - Kill Clip roll the other week granted the Handling was ass on the roll but with 61 stability for a 120 i enjoy using it xD
back up mag is bugged on every weapon btw
I got one with zen moment and timed payload. I didn't know a 120 rpm can roll with that
No distractions adagio is great with Ophidians
Got a kill clip roll with fluted + handling mw so it feels snappy asf, only gripes are no distractions and no accurized or steady rounds
Gotta love waking up to a wallah video
Backup mag does that on a lot of guns for me. Just something else that's f'd up.
Now that you mention it, i dont think ive gotten a single Combined Action world drop outside of Banshee. It’s just that dogshit heavy GL Memory Interdict 9/10 times 😂
I'm pretty sure Emily, Fusion Rifle Queen from game 1 was in a purechill or zk vid and they had like 100k PvE kills with telesto
i mean he sold an adagio combined action that allows you to 2 tap ppl
Yeah but adagio is 100rpm kinda defeats the purpose imo
I think your issue with backup mag is due to number rounding, i have had the same issue with other weapons
The back up mag thing is a glitch that exists on most weapons i believe and has been a thing for a while
That’s a backup mag bug on general been seeing that on most of my guns.
Bungee needs to release more revolver/cowboy type legendary hand cannons, they look and feel amazing to use
That ammo glitch happens with a lot of weapons.
Wish adagio had the falloff scalar like old opening shot or killing wind but the 2 taps still feel super crispy even if it is a tenth of a second slower ttk
Not ideal but according to d2foundry you can 2 tap with adagio against all resils... .6 instead of .54 ttk
I have a roll with perfect float adagio which is kinda nice with float-locke ae and flinch resist + damage perk
Going for zen moment adagio personally, i think i like not needing to reload for the damage perk and you still 2 tap with 104.
backupmag glitch is mostly for all weapons
I'm surprised saint and drifter were the first to get engram focusing for their respective loot instead of the damn gunsmith, considering his job is to make and distribute guns😱
Yeah i really dont know why they removed world drop focusing
The ice shaker is nice, when will you be selling the thug shaker?
Dad, how come kill clip doesn't have an on-screen timer for it?
Offhand Strike + Hipfire Grip with Freehand has me hitting max dmg headshots at 45 fucking metres. It's like a 500 magnum Last Word and I love it on Lucky Pants Hunter.
Zen moment is useless on the weapon, you will literally get 1 or 2, maybe 3 if you only hit body shots, zen moment increases by one stack for every hit you land, basically it’s better on automatic weapons or sidearms.
The mag issue was on the gambit linear as well for me
I keep getting no distractions/tunnel vision and adagio. Got them all from legend lost sectors. I’m also bad at pvp so they see zero gameplay.
What is that movement you doing with snap?
You can't even finish someone with the snap melee unless their health is ridiculously low
Anyone know what the world drop pulse Wallah hated was?
wallah taunts me with his like
You can get Adagio and 2 tap any resil I got one with zen adagio
Ive said this since last season. The engram system is shit for world drops and i dont think anyone has even noticed
Its funny how the rarest guns in the game are the world and playlist drops. Mostly world drops but still. I can’t for the life of me get a good role on bottom dollar - perk pool is rediculous
You can farm bottom dollar better though if you reset gambit 4 times lol😂
@@rickiboulter3053 I'll be honest with you. In season 13, with 120 meta and them adding gambit focusing that previously costed 100 shards. I had 28k shards. Now i have 8k. I have been top 100 in gambit for 6 seasons. I stopped 2 seasons ago. The god role I want doesn't drop. Its ridiculous.
@@rickiboulter3053 Worse part is. You might think Im exaggerating. Find my destiny tracker "Fluffa Duck"
@@fluffaduck6206 I play no where near that much gambit and have almost every roll you can have on it. One of the best 120's in the game. What roll are you trying to get?
@@rickiboulter3053surplus, payload with accurised, fluted or corkscrew, range mw
I actually use this weapon w 30 stability on controller and it isn't that hard to use
People often complain about reused models, which is fair, but at the same time I will not pass the opportunity to use a new weapon that looks just like dire promise because I absolutely love this gun model. lol
Best gun model they’ve ever had so clean.
I enjoy using 120s on PS5.
I wish the Warlock I had some better charged melees
Whats up wallah its max from your stream!
They gave us world drop weapon focusing in plunder. I wouldn't be surprised if they do it again next season.
1:02 it IS a glitch but it is NOT exclusive to this weapon
This is the best hc veiwmodel in the game tbh
100% getting a shaker
Day 197 asking for wallah to become the hammer of dawn aka devils ruin with wings of sacred dawn
LET THIS MAN GET HIS CHANCE WALLAH
Gears of War Reference 😢
Dumb idea. Imagine using devils ruin.
@@nTsoumbo naw it’s the best gun ever your opinion is an L
You gotta try the adagio roll on this
Adagio on this thing guarantees the two tap, tier 10 Resil is too common on titans, making kill clip kinda doo doo
It turns it into a 100 rpm tho 😢
@@SayWallahBruh .6 ttk tho 😂
$50 for a shaker is crazy lol
Back up mag is bugged as hell rn
Just to say… 120 handcannon on controller feels amazing
When did banshee drop this roll ?
He never did! He sold bad rolls
Oh okay ! I was wondering I was like damn 😂. Love your streams btw man I haven’t caught it live yet but Ive converted to strand hunter and learn a lot from your gameplay 🔥
Just found an Adagio perfect float roll in my vault
You need to try a roll with adagio. It’s nice.
You and the other comments are making me feel pretty lucky!!!😁👍 I am playing on Xbox with the roll Fluted Barrel/FlaredMagwell/TunnelVision/KillClip/StabilityMW & Back-up Mag = a 120 controller/console monster!!!😈😈😈
It must feel awful getting caught in the open and getting truck'd by this gun. You get hit twice and your immediate reaction is...
"How am I dead?!"
Are you high? Banshee has sold great rolls of this including adagio and eddy current which helps reload after sprinting with high stability and tunnel vision kill clip twice with different masterworks.
I got a world drop called last foray. It’s an aggressive frame sniper with the field tested origin trait. Only thing good on my role is handling mw. I love this model of sniper and wish I could farm for them, but bungie is doing bungie things. Banshee, plz sell a good role. Also banshee, please have an option to get older seasonal weapons so I can craft them
Backup mag incorrection is not just this gun's bug. It present on many other guns, bungie just are either slow as always or just don't give a fuck as usual.
120s on controller recoil so much you pretty much can’t see anything. so good luck hitting your third shot 😂