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There are no promotion in our department. I've been mobbed and gaslighting at work for over 12 years till present. Full of NPD cowards at work and will end up exposing themselves.. I'm a top worker, jealous of me big time and of my money and condo too. Defamation of character. Saying I'm a stalker, I drink, I'm crazy. All bs. Managers are scared of the bullies, they do nothing, union, police are all totally useless too. Toxic workplace in healthcare. Been working 38 years and never been suspended. Action speaks louder than words. But this crap never ends trying to scare the women at work, all the insecure and toxic women. I will never quit due to these lazy bums with no life. These 2 guys should be locked up and have the manager fired.
As an employer, I'd be honest with you. If you are so good at your job, how can you expect me to promote you? Cos....I cannot find a better replacement if I let you move on! Before I promote someone I'm considering for promotion, I usually employ another as their 'apprentice'. Some people are actually 'turned off' by this arrangement because they think their jobs are being threatened so they hold back from teaching this 'apprentice'. And as you would have expected, they never get promoted...because again...no replacement available. Because the apprentice could never rise up to the same level I expect them to. But if these people (candidate for promotion) see it positively and trains the other person to perform as well as they do. Then it motivates me to promote them because now I have an option to move them forward, plus it shows not just competency, it also shows magnanimity and self confidence.
@@marvelcomiks8078I appreciate your insight in this matter. Do you deal with this problem of having people who are really good at their jobs? I know a lot of people who are so good at what they do, they're almost considered specialist, not employees. But I think there is a way around that. Do you plan on promoting people in your business when they join the company? Is there a future outlook for what they will be doing 6 months or 1 year from now?
Not true everywhere I did work at one company that hired hard workers, honestly I question those decisions because at some point these increased salaries they were creating is going to catch up with either P&L or reflected in their pricing, which was already on the high side.
One of the unspoken challenges: your immediate superiors may be afraid that your skills as a leader will outshine theirs, which makes you a threat to their status.
Exactly and it often happens. I was retained by my director when I decided to change my current organisation. My immediate manager knew that I was in a position to change my reporting to the director instead of him which could place his position in question. He called me and said that I can choose anyone to report to and he won't have any grudge 😂. That year I had other goals to achieve and I didn't want any conflicts hence I opted for a safer. option. Now, after 2 years I resigned again and this time I knew very well who can have what grudges 😂 and didn't discuss retention. Although, unfortunately my previous director too changed the organisation.
Yes in my country the public sector is filled with such directors and the sad thing is (nauseating fact) the younger gen starts bootlicking. So imagine lousy incompetent bosses hire lousy bootlicking juniors. Yup that's it
It can happen, more often than not they just need you where you are because the person who replaces you will never go the distance like you do. Most times is not where you are going that concerns them but what space you leave behind they can not filled with someone else at your level and production suffers.
As someone who is a high performer, I left the company because the company promoting people who is less qualified. When I submitted my resignation, they offer me more money to stay back but i simply give them the middle finger politely. That has to be one of the best day in a very long time
This is a problem with the manager. A manager should have your career goals in mind as well. A lousy manager will prevent you from promotion. A good manager would at least let you know why you're important at your level. A great manager will support you. We don't pick our managers though, so... :P
Had a similar situation, I was told constantly that I am the highest producer of all workers and wished he had more like me so my response was great what is next challenge do you have for me along line of promotion? I was told there is nothing they can do then a role came up that would be a promotion for me and they put a qualification and reason why I couldn’t apply so went to the streets and found a much much better role that I wish I found years ago when I gave my resignation response was wow this is a shock and coming out of the blue? Really, how so the last three reviews were about how I want yo move forward in my career how is that a surprise? Sadly, I think I did my job too well making my supervisors job easy so he thought of his needs over mine keeping back.
It's so true. Unfortunately, they don't realize that when the high performer feels overlooked and underappreciated, they leave. They're then stuck trying to fill your spot either way.
Happened to me. I was passed over twice. The last time the person promote over me was new to the program, didn't know the details of the program, didn't get along with the rest of the team. There was others in the organization knew my skills and were excited to hire me when I starting looking for change. I we in new position for 3 months and the old team was hemorrhaging engineers. I was asked to come back to lead team since the respected me. I did so under my own terms. Later when the 2 teams were merged, I was asked if I wanted to lead new team. I declined and was put at the staff level to enable multiple teams with my knowledge and experience. Key, know your worth.
I just got passed over by an external hire no less! I feel so undermined I plan on leaving the company by the end of the year. All my hard effort, sacrifice, aamd even my physical health given to that company. Sigh.
@@misaelfraga8196I am going through the exact same thing. It is so hard to go from fully engaged to nearly completely disengaged because you just got the wind knocked out of you figuratively speaking. I now realize I spent the last 2.5 years and took a step back in title to ride the same damn merry-go-round that spins and spins and never goes anywhere yet another time. I am lost now and have no idea what to do with myself or where to go from here. All I know is that showing up and doing the work and watching yet another person get credit while I am ignored is like going to get kicked in the balls everyday for nothing.
My advice: life is too short so enjoy it while you still can. Work is not so important. Free time, health and life balance are factors you will regret not having had when you are dying.
Best advice I ever got from an experienced professor in undergrad was ‘don’t glorify your company or boss, they’re humans being humans’. This mindset always allowed me to focus on myself and led to superior accomplishments, which spoke for themselves. It gave me leverage in my industry. This leverage kept my employers on their toes, and I was presented with offers. I didn’t have to beg anybody. My advice is focus on your self improvement always, stay disciplined, and don’t be afraid to change/leave. Leverage is the key to any negotiation. If you’re a strong worker, have leverage, and aren’t afraid to leave offers will always be at your doorstep.
@@AJ-jy5fv go interview w a competitor and don’t be afraid to leave. Once you have an offer go back to your current employer if you want. If they still dont do anything you just found out they never were going to do much for you. It’s best to learn this game when you’re young. If you’re trying to maximize your potential it’s almost always better to leave or own your own business.
The real slap in the face is when you're a high performer, there's an opening that you should get promoted to, and they make an external hire(s) instead.
Promotion for management as you have pointed out probably has to do with influence and not the skillset. Popularity = more influence = ability to get work by others. May be it has something to do with our primitive nature or I could be wrong.
That may be true in jobs that anyone could do. In a niche line of work, only those that really "get it" will truly stand out. Find ways to specialize in doing things that nobody else does or doing them in ways that nobody else is able.
Bad workers will always prevail but they won't be promoted either, if they do and they become a good manager then they will get promoted, however, bad managers don't last long. The difference between a good manager and bad manager isn't whether they are nice or evil, it's whether if they are strong or weak. You can be the most evil boss out there but that evil boss is strong and commands respect and motivates his employee, technically he's a good boss, however if your a nice boss and you let all your employees slide and slack and they walk over you, you are a weak boss and you will get fired faster than you know it
I heard this decades ago--"The person promoted is not necessarily the most qualified. It's the person who APPEARS TO BE the most qualified." Good or bad, this is why you see self-promotion in the workplace.
Spot on , my manager didn't have a clue about what I was doing. At a training session, I asked a question. I was politely told to refrain from such highly technical questions.
As someone who has worked in HR for years. Most of the time it’s about cliques, who kisses up and who you know will jump over hard workers every time . Basically poor leadership.
I asked my manager numerous times over a year about how I could grow in my job, give me difficult stretch projects for visibility and leadership be completely out of my comfort zone. Finally he gave stretch projects, where I outperfomed each project. In my performance review he told me I was his highest performer. He would put me on a promotion list as a top candidate but first had to switch categories with another coworker who was an under performer. The verbal promotion consideration would be reviewed in 10 months after taking the new role, provided I suceed in managing the new category, and if their was still budget that I MIGHT get promoted... I applied internally for a different role/department that was an actual promotion+pay raise. Got the new job transfer within 2 months and handed my manager 2-weeks notice. Never, ever take anything verbal or for granted from your manager affecting your career unless there is a contract. Over time it makes people forgetful or even resentful on verbal commitments. It usually turns out like a demotion than a promotion.
Thanks for sharing this experience. I'm happy to read that you were able to find a higher level role for yourself. So cool! How many people do you lead now?
"Never, ever take anything verbal or for granted from your manager affecting your career unless there is a contract" Thank you for your advice. I love it. I have experienced this multiple times but did not consciously realize it until reading your comment.
I had a similar experience with my previous boss, she said you are a top performer, and I was given tons of more responsibilities, including managing 2 new employees, believing that I will get the desired promotion....what happened was another team member who did 1/3 of my workload got promoted with a huge salary... I put my resignation. They then offered me what I wanted, too late. So yes, don't waste time believing in words put in the air.
Yes, I experienced the same. Got burnt out waiting for promotion and my manager kept piling more work. After 2 years, I found promotional position in another team. She was shocked that I left.
True, once you get to senior managerial level, its all about politics, fitting in, covering every senior staff's mistakes, and keeping the those who have power to stay in power. If you don't adhere to these things, then no matter how skilled you are, you won't be promoted.
@@savannahsmiles1797I can't say I've seen that, at least not down here in the Houston area. Perhaps the political part, but not really the other things you mentioned.
Promotions for certain coworkers are usually planned well in advance by their bosses and there is zero chance of you getting a look in . Brown tonguing, nepotism, favouritism, sexual favours.. it all works for them.
They divide workers(create cliques) like students in school. Companies have leaders(mentors, team leader, union people(very important), spies etc.) noses for management. They promote the clean cut, wise, intelligent person( look for the company). They are groomed & polished like a Hollywood actor. Play roles in the company for 30 years until retirement.
High performers useally= a threat to someone higher up and or does not fit in with the current leadership(works too hard, and the team doesn't want to have to step up). I've seen it many times and heard it from friends. If you have more power then your boss, you'll never be promoted.
Well, maybe true for some workplace but most of the time, promotion has absolutely nothing to do with your experiences and skill sets. If you're good at sucking up and playing dirty even though you're the worst worker, you can still be promoted. It all comes down to whether or not you are your boss' favorite.
This is very true. I could save the entire company, but if I casually mention it to my boss, that's as far as it will go. If I announce to everyone what I'm doing and make sure I have lots of visibility, my reputation will go up like crazy.
A colleague just approached me at work. He is doing 90% of the billable work. Being suppressed from advancement. I told him this exact thing. He needs to actively work to leave that group or leave the company. He will never be promoted by doing what he is doing. He will never be permitted to work outside that core focus.
Your colleague’s work advancement problem is what happening to me right now. What you told him, is what I realized a year ago during a review based on something one of managers said. She was trying to be diplomatic at first with her words but being a blunt person and not being able to find the right words she finally just blurted out “you don’t need to do anything else!” I had been asking to learn new skills and tasks outside my current job and made it clear in words on my review form that I wanted to move up in the company. Both managers for the second said I needed to prove myself more but I am a high performer, always have been, they constantly give me work (from other coworkers that are overwhelmed) but that is within the range of my current job. The kicker, at the end of the review they gave another large regularly ongoing task within my current job range. I got a small raise but I knew it was just to keep me where I am so I don’t leave the company. I plan to leave in a year after I teach myself a computer program (which I have started) that I feel I need on my resume.
I know why I am not promoted because I’m not an ass kisser 😅 also yes more not qualified people get promoted because are easy to manage and do what the upper bosses say! Also depends on the society if it’s based on meritocracy or nepotism. So to get a position you need to lie a lot, especially if you are a honest and moral person.
I'm glad I never had to do that to get promoted. I respect my team and as a boss I instilled an entrepreneurial mind. I give them freedom but their job must be done timely I don't care from where but do things timely or let me know about any issues in advance. Life is simple ❤ oh! Avoid gossiping I just don't want to hear it.
I’ve seen some really dumb CEOs that are CEOs because they refuse to let anyone hold them accountable and they blame others for everything they did wrong and whenever someone tries to hold them accountable or accept accountability themselves, they go after them, blame them, and fire them to either squash dissent or because they view them as weak, easy targets. A lot of boards don’t care if you’re competent or good at the job. They value strength over competence. Either so the CEO will never admit there is anything wrong with the company’s products or service or because they’re afraid the CEO will blame the board for the company’s problems if the board tries to hold the CEO accountable, so they give the CEO whatever they want to save their own seats on the board. And some CEOs stack the board with friends or people who know nothing about the business/industry. Bob Iger is one example of many who do all of the things I just mentioned. If you want to be successful, never accept accountability for anything no matter how wrong you are and always point the finger at others and blame them for anything that you did wrong. Accepting accountability is viewed as a sign of weakness. I noticed through observation that’s how you gain respect and get rewarded when I was young and made adjustments and was rewarded handsomely. My parents lied to me my entire life and told me the exact opposite would lead to success when it actually lead to nothing. If I had listened to them, I never would have been able to have a family and provide for them. These are common traits of psychopaths. Only 1% of the population are psychopaths but 20% of business leaders are. As odd as it sounds, people love them. They can lie and claim they don’t, but their actions in regards to who they promote and where they put their money proves they love them. If you want to succeed, be one of them. Look at Bob Iger. He’s one of many who has done all of these things. Worth almost a billion dollars. Even if he loses to Peltz, he’s still and walks away with a 9 figure net worth. As awful as he is, don’t hate the player, hate the game. He knew how to play the game and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.
Depends on what industry it is in. Retail love assholes as managers. Doing the right thing takes time, and time is money the company does not want to lose. They love bullies because the job is done efficiently but in an immoral way. Profits always trump morality in the corporate world.
I started in a high technology corporate environment in 1977. I quickly learned it is not what you know, or not what you do. It is doing what you know, with WHO you know. Knowledge, ability and performance are just 1/2 of the equation, the 1/2 is corporate politics. PS - HR is on management's side, don't go to complain to them and believe something good will come out of it.
@@m8111806 You mean to work for several people who took those stress and ended up 5 feet under and OP outlived every each of them. Do you think you can handle stress without consequences to your health?
I learned to do the bare minimum and I got promoted. I learned to use technology to do my work and through indicators I only monitor the issues. Obviously everyone is doing different type of work but not everyone enjoy what they do. Do what makes you happy and don't stay miserable in a place where you're not going anywhere. If you look for the job you want you will find it but you have to work to attain it. Meaning you have to get the education and skills you have to fill all the boxes that job requires. The more you know the better for you. Always remain humble and persevere.
That’s definitely the case at my current employer. I’m witnessing someone get promoted now. She’s older & has zero industry experience, she’s slow & makes a lot of costly mistakes. She’s a gossip & buddied right up to our HR person. The other person is younger, learns new tasks quickly & runs circles around the other. The person in the current position was hired, given zero training, & no one helps her when she asks. They just let her drown them gossip about it afterwards. But the HR person’s friend is being trained for the job behind the current person’s back. The whole situation is disgusting. Seeing how they operate, I’m planning my exit soon.
Actually it’s more about who knows YOU. You might know a guy or a girl but if they don’t feel like doing anything for you because they don’t respect you like that the its almost meaningless.
@quickgirl80 That younger lady is now the worker bee. The likelihood of her getting promoted now is slim because she's doing a great job in her current position. That young lady just needs to learn everything she can and get her resume ready, that would be my advice to her.
Most managers want people to agree with them to the point that that if a bowling ball aimed at their head was dropping from 100 feet above and you yelled "MOVE" , they'd be upset you raised your voice. That silence is a huge part of 'management potential'. You are absolutely correct about having a strategy. Quietly getting along and agreeing with management is the best one by far.
That really rings a bell. I have always been too much focused on my own job that I don’t even think about demonstrating skills relating to leadership and management outside of my job. I have never even thought about it because I wasn’t told to do that. I have always felt frustrated seeing others getting promoted ahead of me even though I thought I had better skills. Also, I am kind of too much humble to report to my boss my results, which led to my bosses not knowing what I have produced.
I seen people work their ass off get hurt and get fire, i work but i dont kill myself for no job my health and family comes first. F the boss and their numbers
As soon as you tap your head against that glass ceiling, get out. You get a whiff of being held down, you see a single performer get promoted ahead of you, GET. OUT. Your boss has already shot you in the back and you'll never get any further with that boss. Get out.
Excellent, smart content. The best way to get a pay rise, honestly, is to switch organizations. That's much faster and more effective than slowly trying to build a case for a raise or promotion in the job where you currently are... That's the reality of the modern world.
What I've learned in my career is that solving problems and full filling the gaps that exists in your team are the most powerful things you can do to be noted. In general you firstly perform the task of a leader, than you get promoted. Find the problems / gaps and solve them, do not be afraid of assuming new tasks whereever is possible, this is the beggining of everything.
I agree with you. A leader type of person gets promoted. I am an engineer and can solve technical problems most can’t but I don’t like to lead others. I never get promoted.
@@PO-nb8qc Thanks for sharing this. At least you're self-aware to know this. Many high performers don't understand this about themselves, and I've seen it cause them frustration. They want to earn the boss's pay, but they don't want to do what it takes to learn what the leader has learned.
That is not true. People are looking at communication organization delegation skills. If they are present, new grads become managers. If those are missing 20 years exp will bebleft behind and asked to go to Google to orivectgat they are high performers
That's why I always advise young people who enter the workforce. Never be loyal to your job. If you see better opportunities elsewhere, do not hesitate to quit and move on. That's the only way to get to the top. Someone will always give you a chance.
Thank you for a great video. Sadly many times the popular worker gets the gig. It’s important to be aware of what you mentioned as well as learning about office politics as soon as possible.
Do you ever wonder what your boss did to get his promotion to become your boss? The answer will reflect the company culture. My ex-boss was an idiot. He was totally unqualified yet he got the job because he was not a threat to his boss. This guy spent all his energy taking credits from his people. The team morale was horrible. But he was never in trouble because management needs him to “fix” the morale problems. They started giving out $5 gift cards for coffee or free ice cream every Wednesday. Folks, this is how large American corporations work. You can’t learn that from any book.
Learned this a long time ago….start a job for the title you want, promotions are a joke and rarely happen. If you want to be a manager, start the job as a manager. If you want to get a higher salary and better title, quit and find the title and salary you want.
@@LeadingDailymanagers deal with a lot of nonsense that high achievers don't want to deal with. The best player on a sports team isn't necessary the best coach. Yet exceptional players get paid more than interchangeable players and even coaches.
@@Ed.Miller I understand. And I completely agree with you. Thanks for your follow-up statement. If management and leadership aren't the only vertical promotions based on your opinion, what else could be?
@@LeadingDailyin my opinion, I think to get the alternative job promotion doesn't require a grander job position title. It could be off-the-record type of job, where you are unofficially the right-hand man to any directors in the C-suite. For all I know, you could just be a secretary/receptionist, but you handle a lot of important & secretive documents no other ordinary employees knows. You are given power, perks & extra allowances way over others this way, for "being the boss' favourite".
My experience is that flattery is the art which is key to promotion universally (there are exceptions of course). Alas not everyone one can do it even if they try. First condition is to kill your self respect 😂
I think this advice is most applicable for the person that intends to spend all or the majority of their career at the same company. Some people stay in the same spot too long at the same company and need to be comfortable switching companies for career growth if it’s not happening at the current company.
That actually what I have been doing, plus lets not forget the real elephants in the room (nepotism & cronyism)! Many companies fail because they practices the two.
@@laiebi_3639 usually you should be staying with a company for atleast 1.5-2 years if you want to make an attractive resume, this shows your ability to commit to an organization.
I am always popular among customers and unloved by colleagues and management I don't know why. The only solution I could think of was starting working independently for myself.
This is a really good video. I've been aware of most of these things and trying to implement most of the strategies while still being really good technically. The sad truth is that the perception of good work is more important than actually doing good work. Find the balance that works for your situation. And, if you notice someone is making mistakes that others cannot see, dont waste your time being their janitor. Focus on advocating for yourself and your team while leveraging others in healthy ways.
Am I the only performer who never ever wanted a promotion 🤔? I know, each to their own, I personally am a comfort lover, I've made my work space so easy and effortless that I don't feel that I'm even working 😅 I envy ambitious people but I also decline promotion! It's weird and may be. It's not making sense to many. Beautiful video and great content 👏🏾
I can understand not wanting a promotion with the added responsibilities but I don’t want to be given the responsibility and not being promoted or compensated for the additional workload.
I’m part time. This is my 2 year anniversary on the job as part-time. I have not been promoted or asked to move up in my company. I work the afternoons. I m glad I have my mornings for to me to upgrade my skills, work on courses and start my side business (Etsy).
You are not alone , i dont like also being promoted i rather stay in the background , do my job and go home at 5pm . 😅 and the same time my salary is enough to slowly invest for my future goals in my home country .
What's being said is quite differ what I have experienced. The person being promoted is most likely to suck up to people who can help them in their careers to the point of being a sycophant. Being the type of person they go to the pub with. Often someone that is very good at office politics and self promotion to the point where they are actually lying. Occasionally those people are good at the job, but often terrible. If you are lucky, they will just delegate their roles to everybody else so they can cause the least damage. It's why you get so many incompetent managers and administrators.
This training should be taught in school. I had to learn these the hard way at a previous company. I watched as incompetent or problematic people got promoted. It’s very true that it does not help you to work the hardest or be the best in your job.
All this is good in theory. In practice what i have seen works is: 1. Do you really want to get promoted? Are you a depth person or a breadth person? Do you want to get into people management? 2. Are you comfortable with meetings all day? 3. Are you someone who wants to do meaningless stuff (for the org) so that you will look good? 4. Conflict avoidance aka smooth talking sob? If you express opinions esp in front of seniors, you are out of the race.
This is exactly why I retired from the military, and recently turned in my notice to my employer. I love how in both instances I was told how much I was needed, yet the best they had to offer was the very job / position I was leaving in the first place.
This is very informative, Kara. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Feel like I am going to focus on my work output for now to win my seniors' trust . Once I feel confident at the new work place in about few months , I am going to focus on what you have adviced in your video.
Good strategy. Trust is so important to develop with your senior management. But this takes time to develop. I like that you're willing to put in the time and effort required.
Well I havent watched the video but I'll simply say this. After working 4 years at a company, 3 weeks after I quit they called me up and offered me a promotion with lots of new stuff. Sometimes they just need a break to see what they've missed. Same thing happend to my sister when she left for maturity leave. They had to hire two people to do her job and it still wasnt up to par. When she went back to work she had some demands. XD
Promotions are very complicated matter, really difficult to define a code but I felt, Getting a promotion is function of 1] Performance 2] good at politics (more politely “emotional intelligence”) 3] Being right place at right time 4] showing capacity (Managerial) 5] creating trust (Boss doesn’t feel you are a threat). The weight may vary in each element depending on the organization. The most Important thing is to identify where the flow goes, if you can, you are done.
I agree with this leader. I really like number 5 on your list "creating trust." This reminds me of Robert Greene's first law of "The 48 Laws of Power," Never Outshine The Master.
@@dr.franxx 💯What are some of the best qualities and skills you've seen of leaders you know? 😊A few of the best I've witnessed are Listening, Critical Thinking, and Giving effective feedback.
Really good points. I found public sector very different to private sector. Skills are different. High performers tend to do better in the latter. Public sector have obsessions with diversity targets and less about business success.
I am a high performer. And i already accepted that. Many of my past employers have promised me promotions that they do not give. That is how i learned to never never rely on promotions or increases. Yes getting promoted looks good. But if i really want a higher position, what i do now is apply for a higher position in a new employer. I do not wait around. If i can get the position i want somewhere else, that is where i will go. Best part is salary qise it will also pay me bigger than if i waited for promotion.
after a year I got promoted to supervisor. I did not like it because it doesn't come with a raise. i feel I am under paid. and now its another year that pass and still no raise, the HR manager told me about the highest possible raise I could get, I'm disappointed. I'm leaving soon. Some company just takes advantage of this, giving promotions just to make you feel proud and happy, I need money not stupid promotions, promotions also creates more work that you need to accomplish and for what.. for a little amount? g@damn!
This video pretty much matches my experience exactly. I've been the 'too important to promote' person before so at my current company i made sure to tell my boss I'd leave if I ever heard those words. Thankfully one manager saw some potential in me and helped me move into a role that suits me better and included a promotion to Senior Engineer after just two years. In line with what you said Kara, I made my desires known (to progress up the technical career ladder), sought higher-level duties, worked on my leadership and project management skills and made sure to interact with senior management when they visited. The new role aligns directly with my sponsor's pet projects and helps progress his vision. I count myself lucky but also accept credit that my abilities and dedication helped open the door to opportunity. There's no doubt that sitting at my desk and pumping out quality work wasn't going to do it alone. I pushed as hard as I thought I could to make sure I was considered for advancement at the first opportunity. Now there's already talk of next steps in a couple more years.
I learned that saying "no" more then you say "yes" is what gets your promoted. To be trusted to work in favour of the company, the company needs to trust you aren't a walk over to those below you.
Alot of this I can agree with here. But hard work is the foundation for all of this advice. So on top of hardwork, just take every/appreciate opportunity you can get, be strategic, and associate yourself with mentors/sponsors.
I got a recent promotion through an internal promotion interview, I had worked on the skills, which you mentioned in the above video and it helped me to get a promotion.
The Formula is well-known. if you live in a western country. 1. you are white male & 2. you were born to a well-to-do family You need bare minimum effort for that promotion. Other end: 1. you are non-white & 2. you are an average achiever You need to work 100 times harder than your white average coworker provided that you do not live in the Midwest. My advice: do the bare minimum, work only to learn operations of businesses. Use your downtime to work on your own product or service. Don't give away your great ideas to your boss or company. Let others win the rat race. Work on making your own business the major income while treating your company-job the side hustle. In this way, you do not keep false expectations on promotions, you will not be frustrated when your boss's favorite employee (who gets all major projects) get promoted.
Promotions at the end of the day depends on whether you are the favourite of your boss. If you are not the boss will tell you that nothing what you have done in the past count and you will need to define a plan to get promoted, but they can’t guarantee you will get promoted. That way they will have the excuse not to promote you if you are not their favourite person
I think the root of all evil is that the system of promotion itself. Managers should be considered as just a type of roles in the company. They are equal to everyone else. It’s just that everyone has different roles and managers are no exception.
Don't let promotion, job grades and salary raise or wealth shape your life! Your satisfaction with your own values and feeling of worth is way more important in the long run in your life do what makes you feel alive and relevant in this universe
I think I'm high performance employee and I have been recently promoted. I had a conversation with my boss and my main points were - I want a better salary - I like the company and I would like to stay We talk about it, in 3 months I will comunícate the same and tell I will be searching actively for a new job but in 2 months I had my promotion. I work for a US company from Argentina, so they had to do a lot of burocracy in order to give me my promotion, 2 months were very fast.
Thank you for sharing your comprehensive insights on this topic. Could you provide a video that addresses situations similar to a highly capable and potential individual who is deeply involved in strategic planning, leading high-profile projects, and managing the largest team in the branch? Despite these contributions, I find myself (ME) overlooked for promotions, suggesting a possible personal conflict with management. My performance evaluations consistently rank between "Very Good" and "Outstanding," and I've been recognized as both Employee of the Year and Employee of the Month. Furthermore, I've successfully mentored my team members, leading to their promotions. At this moment, I am feeling overwhelmed and at a loss for words. I would greatly appreciate any guidance or resources you might have.
I am doing all of these things. After taking on managerial duties I have gone to my supervisor and the AVP about my goals and outlined what I want they told me we don’t do out of cycle raises and there is no opportunity for promotion. They have stopped collaborating with me on projects and no longer respond when I have suggestions for process improvements. They liked it more when I silently took on additional tasks.
Wonder if there could be another reason why they aren't responding to your suggestions and collobarate on projects. Was there a conversation or understanding about what is expected from you by taking on managerial duties prior to your requests? Is anyone else doing these managerial duties now, or are you still doing them? I am asking for clarity before I respond with a suggestion. Thank you
I did all the work in this project and a guy who arrived 6 months ago got the promotion. After learning this, I went and told my boss that I am looking for another job. He said they need me in the project because I have been there since the beginning and that I know more than anyone else. I laughed silently. They are now worried I might leave any time before the project is over.
I have been working in a same position for 4 years and the last 1.5 years I have been doing senior level job but not being promoted. I already proved them I can do the senior lever over a year and I haven’t been promoted. I raised the concern to my boss several times and he promises me by mouth but haven’t seen any actions. I used to be very hard working and but lately I found myself loosing my interest in trying hard cuz of not seeing any improvement in my career at this point.
To become a manager or leader it is a popularity contest. I witnessed an average employee become a supervisor by hanging out and drinking with the plant manager, production manager at a local bar
Being disagreeable does seem strategically advantageous yes. Seems Machiavellian but I like that you mentioned demonstrating to management that you can persuade others.
Apart from hard work you need to have social skills. This is a big thing. The more, the better. If you get people on your side, they will contribute in various ways to help you achieve your objectives.
There are three things that gave me the edge not one thing in particular, 1 having a mentor who is senior position who is at a more senior than my my manger and his manager, 2 through my mentor arranged to shadow colleagues at the same grade but work for a different part of the business this helped my statement of suitablity and finally my resillience how to learn from the feedback if your appicatiion gets rejected from either the intial sift or at the interview stage.
I think one of the most important traits of high performance individuals is the lack of foresight in understanding and seeing the wider picture. Sometimes and more often than not, high performing individuals would be better to either partner up or go solo in business. The high output and energy would definitely lead to higher results and financial results.
I think many high performers have worked this out and followed the entrepreneurial path. Sometimes they realise it's better to use that energy for themselves rather than someone else.
@@kararonin Yes definitely. The quicker someone realises their strengths, the quicker they can market them and monetise their value. Everyone has a hidden gift, it is about finding that gift as quickly as possible preferably at a young age, so you can reap the wards much faster.
In my experience, in privet companies,no matter where they are from or any regional, they more tend to promote their friends and families they hired and pay higher than someone have been working for them for years. But it’s very informative video however this will not work in this century.
Ugh I have this issue at my company. What upsets me is the false hope managers give. I understand it’s their psychological tactic to make me work harder but with broken promises comes with broken trust and I cannot commit to a manager who lies to me about false opportunities. I would respect a manager who was upfront with me and told me look, “we really like you and you are doing a good job but it’s really hard to promote you because we can’t find someone to replace you who would perform on par, is there anything we can do to ensure you will decide to stay longer in this position?”. Promotions aren’t everything and there are other ways of negotiating but managers are too stingy or lazy to propose or commit to any arrangement that would benefit the productive worker! I always get the sad face when it’s time for me to submit my resignation letter for a higher paying job but I honestly feel like it’s the same cycle every job!
Next, you should learn how to be more visible at work so you're not overlooked for a promotion. Watch this video ua-cam.com/video/25SXlQvHdsw/v-deo.htmlsi=XUPkmhuKhyvJ4hhx
There are no promotion in our department. I've been mobbed and gaslighting at work for over 12 years till present. Full of NPD cowards at work and will end up exposing themselves.. I'm a top worker, jealous of me big time and of my money and condo too. Defamation of character. Saying I'm a stalker, I drink, I'm crazy. All bs. Managers are scared of the bullies, they do nothing, union, police are all totally useless too. Toxic workplace in healthcare. Been working 38 years and never been suspended. Action speaks louder than words. But this crap never ends trying to scare the women at work, all the insecure and toxic women. I will never quit due to these lazy bums with no life. These 2 guys should be locked up and have the manager fired.
As an employer, I'd be honest with you. If you are so good at your job, how can you expect me to promote you? Cos....I cannot find a better replacement if I let you move on! Before I promote someone I'm considering for promotion, I usually employ another as their 'apprentice'. Some people are actually 'turned off' by this arrangement because they think their jobs are being threatened so they hold back from teaching this 'apprentice'. And as you would have expected, they never get promoted...because again...no replacement available. Because the apprentice could never rise up to the same level I expect them to. But if these people (candidate for promotion) see it positively and trains the other person to perform as well as they do. Then it motivates me to promote them because now I have an option to move them forward, plus it shows not just competency, it also shows magnanimity and self confidence.
@@marvelcomiks8078I appreciate your insight in this matter. Do you deal with this problem of having people who are really good at their jobs? I know a lot of people who are so good at what they do, they're almost considered specialist, not employees. But I think there is a way around that. Do you plan on promoting people in your business when they join the company? Is there a future outlook for what they will be doing 6 months or 1 year from now?
They do it by popularity contests.
Unless you are good looking guy or girl then it's hopeless, it's all about looks.
The only reward for hard work is more work
Very true!
Which is why I drag out my assignments as long as possible lol
In many cases, you've become a better person, and can handle the new work.
Not true everywhere I did work at one company that hired hard workers, honestly I question those decisions because at some point these increased salaries they were creating is going to catch up with either P&L or reflected in their pricing, which was already on the high side.
OP's statement is incredibly valid
One of the unspoken challenges: your immediate superiors may be afraid that your skills as a leader will outshine theirs, which makes you a threat to their status.
Exactly and it often happens. I was retained by my director when I decided to change my current organisation. My immediate manager knew that I was in a position to change my reporting to the director instead of him which could place his position in question. He called me and said that I can choose anyone to report to and he won't have any grudge 😂. That year I had other goals to achieve and I didn't want any conflicts hence I opted for a safer. option. Now, after 2 years I resigned again and this time I knew very well who can have what grudges 😂 and didn't discuss retention. Although, unfortunately my previous director too changed the organisation.
True but after while you become frustrated and get weary
Yes in my country the public sector is filled with such directors and the sad thing is (nauseating fact) the younger gen starts bootlicking. So imagine lousy incompetent bosses hire lousy bootlicking juniors. Yup that's it
Rule #1. 48 Laws of Power - “Never outshine the master”
This is severely important.
It can happen, more often than not they just need you where you are because the person who replaces you will never go the distance like you do. Most times is not where you are going that concerns them but what space you leave behind they can not filled with someone else at your level and production suffers.
As someone who is a high performer, I left the company because the company promoting people who is less qualified. When I submitted my resignation, they offer me more money to stay back but i simply give them the middle finger politely. That has to be one of the best day in a very long time
Wow! I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Are you happy with where you are now?
where do you work now? is the new company pay you bigger?
Yeah, because they’re happy to dump all the work on you since you seem to be so good at it. It doesn’t pay to be good at your job.
This is a problem with the manager. A manager should have your career goals in mind as well. A lousy manager will prevent you from promotion. A good manager would at least let you know why you're important at your level. A great manager will support you. We don't pick our managers though, so... :P
Had a similar situation, I was told constantly that I am the highest producer of all workers and wished he had more like me so my response was great what is next challenge do you have for me along line of promotion? I was told there is nothing they can do then a role came up that would be a promotion for me and they put a qualification and reason why I couldn’t apply so went to the streets and found a much much better role that I wish I found years ago when I gave my resignation response was wow this is a shock and coming out of the blue? Really, how so the last three reviews were about how I want yo move forward in my career how is that a surprise? Sadly, I think I did my job too well making my supervisors job easy so he thought of his needs over mine keeping back.
It's so true. Unfortunately, they don't realize that when the high performer feels overlooked and underappreciated, they leave. They're then stuck trying to fill your spot either way.
exactly.
Happened to me. I was passed over twice. The last time the person promote over me was new to the program, didn't know the details of the program, didn't get along with the rest of the team. There was others in the organization knew my skills and were excited to hire me when I starting looking for change. I we in new position for 3 months and the old team was hemorrhaging engineers. I was asked to come back to lead team since the respected me. I did so under my own terms. Later when the 2 teams were merged, I was asked if I wanted to lead new team. I declined and was put at the staff level to enable multiple teams with my knowledge and experience. Key, know your worth.
Right
I just got passed over by an external hire no less! I feel so undermined I plan on leaving the company by the end of the year. All my hard effort, sacrifice, aamd even my physical health given to that company. Sigh.
@@misaelfraga8196I am going through the exact same thing. It is so hard to go from fully engaged to nearly completely disengaged because you just got the wind knocked out of you figuratively speaking. I now realize I spent the last 2.5 years and took a step back in title to ride the same damn merry-go-round that spins and spins and never goes anywhere yet another time. I am lost now and have no idea what to do with myself or where to go from here. All I know is that showing up and doing the work and watching yet another person get credit while I am ignored is like going to get kicked in the balls everyday for nothing.
My advice: life is too short so enjoy it while you still can. Work is not so important. Free time, health and life balance are factors you will regret not having had when you are dying.
Nonsense
Sounds good on paper,but society is set up for working to thrive moreso. Unless u got some instant prosperity button, that we don't know about🤔
I disagree, I enjoy my job. There is no purpose in my life outside of work. It's the only place where I receive respect.
@@Holion5604 Your life must be very sad...
I agree people are work horses. Everyone running behind the almighty dollar. They have most right where they want them
As a high performer the best path was working for myself! Unlimited work and earning potential.
True !!!!
Bingo!
Best advice I ever got from an experienced professor in undergrad was ‘don’t glorify your company or boss, they’re humans being humans’. This mindset always allowed me to focus on myself and led to superior accomplishments, which spoke for themselves. It gave me leverage in my industry. This leverage kept my employers on their toes, and I was presented with offers. I didn’t have to beg anybody. My advice is focus on your self improvement always, stay disciplined, and don’t be afraid to change/leave. Leverage is the key to any negotiation. If you’re a strong worker, have leverage, and aren’t afraid to leave offers will always be at your doorstep.
Interesting. I've never heard this perspective before. Thanks for sharing! How many people do you lead right now?
That’s exactly what I do!!😊
Very good advice ❤❤
How do you negotiate, what happens when there is an initial no response
@@AJ-jy5fv go interview w a competitor and don’t be afraid to leave. Once you have an offer go back to your current employer if you want. If they still dont do anything you just found out they never were going to do much for you. It’s best to learn this game when you’re young. If you’re trying to maximize your potential it’s almost always better to leave or own your own business.
The real slap in the face is when you're a high performer, there's an opening that you should get promoted to, and they make an external hire(s) instead.
An external hire they have you train.
Soo true and then it fails and they wonder what happened.
external hires are politically "clean"
Yes but you can always lover your performance until you get that promotion...
@@Ffsniper-zi1cx No, that's part of the reason why you didn't get the job, you weren't going along with the bull, you're just doing your job.
Promotion is solely based on a popularity contest. It has nothing to do with skill set. The most incompetent workers are promoted.
Often they are.
Promotion for management as you have pointed out probably has to do with influence and not the skillset. Popularity = more influence = ability to get work by others.
May be it has something to do with our primitive nature or I could be wrong.
Diversity often comes into play also.
That may be true in jobs that anyone could do. In a niche line of work, only those that really "get it" will truly stand out. Find ways to specialize in doing things that nobody else does or doing them in ways that nobody else is able.
Bad workers will always prevail but they won't be promoted either, if they do and they become a good manager then they will get promoted, however, bad managers don't last long. The difference between a good manager and bad manager isn't whether they are nice or evil, it's whether if they are strong or weak. You can be the most evil boss out there but that evil boss is strong and commands respect and motivates his employee, technically he's a good boss, however if your a nice boss and you let all your employees slide and slack and they walk over you, you are a weak boss and you will get fired faster than you know it
Another reason I’ve learned over the years the “leaders” themselves do not want you because you are a direct threat to them if you are too competent.
Yep. And that means the leadership sucks and the high performers should leave
I heard this decades ago--"The person promoted is not necessarily the most qualified. It's the person who APPEARS TO BE the most qualified." Good or bad, this is why you see self-promotion in the workplace.
Yes! It's all about the image you project, but so you're not caught out, it's a good idea to have the skills to back it up.
You nailed it. I've seen average performers but great at dramatics of appearing most qualified get promoted easily
A problem is an the applicant can interivew well but that dose not translate to being good at the the job they have applied for
Spot on , my manager didn't have a clue about what I was doing.
At a training session, I asked a question. I was politely told to refrain from such highly technical questions.
That's nonsense but I saw it in the workplace 😢
It’s not about working the hardest, but also how you brand and present yourself
As someone who has worked in HR for years. Most of the time it’s about cliques, who kisses up and who you know will jump over hard workers every time . Basically poor leadership.
The workplace marriage program
Agree
That's why I work for myself
Yes!
Basically the low character leaders' MO.
They have secret team leaders
I asked my manager numerous times over a year about how I could grow in my job, give me difficult stretch projects for visibility and leadership be completely out of my comfort zone. Finally he gave stretch projects, where I outperfomed each project. In my performance review he told me I was his highest performer. He would put me on a promotion list as a top candidate but first had to switch categories with another coworker who was an under performer. The verbal promotion consideration would be reviewed in 10 months after taking the new role, provided I suceed in managing the new category, and if their was still budget that I MIGHT get promoted... I applied internally for a different role/department that was an actual promotion+pay raise. Got the new job transfer within 2 months and handed my manager 2-weeks notice. Never, ever take anything verbal or for granted from your manager affecting your career unless there is a contract. Over time it makes people forgetful or even resentful on verbal commitments. It usually turns out like a demotion than a promotion.
Thanks for sharing this experience. I'm happy to read that you were able to find a higher level role for yourself. So cool! How many people do you lead now?
"Never, ever take anything verbal or for granted from your manager affecting your career unless there is a contract"
Thank you for your advice. I love it. I have experienced this multiple times but did not consciously realize it until reading your comment.
I had a similar experience with my previous boss, she said you are a top performer, and I was given tons of more responsibilities, including managing 2 new employees, believing that I will get the desired promotion....what happened was another team member who did 1/3 of my workload got promoted with a huge salary... I put my resignation. They then offered me what I wanted, too late. So yes, don't waste time believing in words put in the air.
Glad you got out because sometimes managers will block dept transfers too.
Yes, I experienced the same. Got burnt out waiting for promotion and my manager kept piling more work. After 2 years, I found promotional position in another team. She was shocked that I left.
True, once you get to senior managerial level, its all about politics, fitting in, covering every senior staff's mistakes, and keeping the those who have power to stay in power.
If you don't adhere to these things, then no matter how skilled you are, you won't be promoted.
Absolutely correct. Hard work has little value these days.
ethnicity, sexual preferences, and politically leanings are what gets a job
@@savannahsmiles1797I can't say I've seen that, at least not down here in the Houston area. Perhaps the political part, but not really the other things you mentioned.
Promotions for certain coworkers are usually planned well in advance by their bosses and there is zero chance of you getting a look in . Brown tonguing, nepotism, favouritism, sexual favours.. it all works for them.
They divide workers(create cliques) like students in school. Companies have leaders(mentors, team leader, union people(very important), spies etc.) noses for management.
They promote the clean cut, wise, intelligent person( look for the company). They are groomed & polished like a Hollywood actor. Play roles in the company for 30 years until retirement.
High performers useally= a threat to someone higher up and or does not fit in with the current leadership(works too hard, and the team doesn't want to have to step up). I've seen it many times and heard it from friends. If you have more power then your boss, you'll never be promoted.
great comment
Excellent
Never outshine the master law #2
Well, maybe true for some workplace but most of the time, promotion has absolutely nothing to do with your experiences and skill sets. If you're good at sucking up and playing dirty even though you're the worst worker, you can still be promoted. It all comes down to whether or not you are your boss' favorite.
In other words bosses are stupid ie they can't even recognize who actually works and delivers results.
Works like a charm. You are guaranteed a promotion if you do this.
Absolutely: kissing up and dissing down.
Absolutely who licks😢
So true
Remember one thing : it’s not what you do , it’s what you are seen to do
This is very true. I could save the entire company, but if I casually mention it to my boss, that's as far as it will go. If I announce to everyone what I'm doing and make sure I have lots of visibility, my reputation will go up like crazy.
A colleague just approached me at work. He is doing 90% of the billable work. Being suppressed from advancement.
I told him this exact thing. He needs to actively work to leave that group or leave the company. He will never be promoted by doing what he is doing. He will never be permitted to work outside that core focus.
Your colleague’s work advancement problem is what happening to me right now. What you told him, is what I realized a year ago during a review based on something one of managers said. She was trying to be diplomatic at first with her words but being a blunt person and not being able to find the right words she finally just blurted out “you don’t need to do anything else!” I had been asking to learn new skills and tasks outside my current job and made it clear in words on my review form that I wanted to move up in the company. Both managers for the second said I needed to prove myself more but I am a high performer, always have been, they constantly give me work (from other coworkers that are overwhelmed) but that is within the range of my current job. The kicker, at the end of the review they gave another large regularly ongoing task within my current job range.
I got a small raise but I knew it was just to keep me where I am so I don’t leave the company.
I plan to leave in a year after I teach myself a computer program (which I have started) that I feel I need on my resume.
If he’s really doing 90% all the slackers will try to keep him around FOR EVER!!! 😂
This is why quiet quitting is a must.
That's what I am trying to do.
I know why I am not promoted because I’m not an ass kisser 😅 also yes more not qualified people get promoted because are easy to manage and do what the upper bosses say! Also depends on the society if it’s based on meritocracy or nepotism. So to get a position you need to lie a lot, especially if you are a honest and moral person.
So, so true!!!
I agree with you at this point, even 2 stories have same quality but it can become 2 total different results due to politic
I'm glad I never had to do that to get promoted. I respect my team and as a boss I instilled an entrepreneurial mind. I give them freedom but their job must be done timely I don't care from where but do things timely or let me know about any issues in advance. Life is simple ❤ oh! Avoid gossiping I just don't want to hear it.
Nepotism runs rampant at my job
@@JimmyDew_ I'm with you on this! 😃
I've had managers with a "strong opinion" that are completely wrong and don't know what they're doing. They bully their way to the top.
so how to survive in environments like that?
@@whitepod LEAVE and make sure you document to HR, and cc the CEO that this isn't a school yard.
I’ve seen some really dumb CEOs that are CEOs because they refuse to let anyone hold them accountable and they blame others for everything they did wrong and whenever someone tries to hold them accountable or accept accountability themselves, they go after them, blame them, and fire them to either squash dissent or because they view them as weak, easy targets. A lot of boards don’t care if you’re competent or good at the job. They value strength over competence. Either so the CEO will never admit there is anything wrong with the company’s products or service or because they’re afraid the CEO will blame the board for the company’s problems if the board tries to hold the CEO accountable, so they give the CEO whatever they want to save their own seats on the board. And some CEOs stack the board with friends or people who know nothing about the business/industry. Bob Iger is one example of many who do all of the things I just mentioned. If you want to be successful, never accept accountability for anything no matter how wrong you are and always point the finger at others and blame them for anything that you did wrong. Accepting accountability is viewed as a sign of weakness. I noticed through observation that’s how you gain respect and get rewarded when I was young and made adjustments and was rewarded handsomely. My parents lied to me my entire life and told me the exact opposite would lead to success when it actually lead to nothing. If I had listened to them, I never would have been able to have a family and provide for them. These are common traits of psychopaths. Only 1% of the population are psychopaths but 20% of business leaders are. As odd as it sounds, people love them. They can lie and claim they don’t, but their actions in regards to who they promote and where they put their money proves they love them. If you want to succeed, be one of them. Look at Bob Iger. He’s one of many who has done all of these things. Worth almost a billion dollars. Even if he loses to Peltz, he’s still and walks away with a 9 figure net worth. As awful as he is, don’t hate the player, hate the game. He knew how to play the game and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.
Depends on what industry it is in. Retail love assholes as managers. Doing the right thing takes time, and time is money the company does not want to lose. They love bullies because the job is done efficiently but in an immoral way. Profits always trump morality in the corporate world.
I started in a high technology corporate environment in 1977. I quickly learned it is not what you know, or not what you do. It is doing what you know, with WHO you know. Knowledge, ability and performance are just 1/2 of the equation, the 1/2 is corporate politics. PS - HR is on management's side, don't go to complain to them and believe something good will come out of it.
I'm not a fan of promotions. I look to max my pay and minimize stress/responsibly. That's winning to me.
Exactly my definition of promotion: more pay😂
And that mindset will always keep to work for someone who took those stress.
Totally agree
Exactly
@@m8111806 You mean to work for several people who took those stress and ended up 5 feet under and OP outlived every each of them. Do you think you can handle stress without consequences to your health?
Worst thing you can do is work toward a promotion. Always easier and more lucrative to switch companies
Agreed value your experience
True, true. Been there, done that.
I learned to do the bare minimum and I got promoted. I learned to use technology to do my work and through indicators I only monitor the issues. Obviously everyone is doing different type of work but not everyone enjoy what they do. Do what makes you happy and don't stay miserable in a place where you're not going anywhere. If you look for the job you want you will find it but you have to work to attain it. Meaning you have to get the education and skills you have to fill all the boxes that job requires. The more you know the better for you. Always remain humble and persevere.
Spot on advice.
I've never heard about the bare minimum idea. What other skills do you have? You seem like you're leading a few people.
@@aala50184 I'm sorry to hear that you haven't earned your promotion yet. How long have you desired to be promoted?
It's not promotion but pays. They should pay the high performers more money.
Yes, it's not about what you know. It's about who you know. 😅
That’s definitely the case at my current employer. I’m witnessing someone get promoted now. She’s older & has zero industry experience, she’s slow & makes a lot of costly mistakes. She’s a gossip & buddied right up to our HR person.
The other person is younger, learns new tasks quickly & runs circles around the other.
The person in the current position was hired, given zero training, & no one helps her when she asks. They just let her drown them gossip about it afterwards.
But the HR person’s friend is being trained for the job behind the current person’s back.
The whole situation is disgusting. Seeing how they operate, I’m planning my exit soon.
Actually it’s more about who knows YOU. You might know a guy or a girl but if they don’t feel like doing anything for you because they don’t respect you like that the its almost meaningless.
@quickgirl80 That younger lady is now the worker bee. The likelihood of her getting promoted now is slim because she's doing a great job in her current position. That young lady just needs to learn everything she can and get her resume ready, that would be my advice to her.
Most managers want people to agree with them to the point that that if a bowling ball aimed at their head was dropping from 100 feet above and you yelled "MOVE" , they'd be upset you raised your voice. That silence is a huge part of 'management potential'. You are absolutely correct about having a strategy. Quietly getting along and agreeing with management is the best one by far.
Hardwork is rewarding. Taking credit for other people's hardwork is rewarding and faster - Dilbert
That really rings a bell. I have always been too much focused on my own job that I don’t even think about demonstrating skills relating to leadership and management outside of my job. I have never even thought about it because I wasn’t told to do that. I have always felt frustrated seeing others getting promoted ahead of me even though I thought I had better skills. Also, I am kind of too much humble to report to my boss my results, which led to my bosses not knowing what I have produced.
I seen people work their ass off get hurt and get fire, i work but i dont kill myself for no job my health and family comes first. F the boss and their numbers
As soon as you tap your head against that glass ceiling, get out. You get a whiff of being held down, you see a single performer get promoted ahead of you, GET. OUT. Your boss has already shot you in the back and you'll never get any further with that boss. Get out.
Excellent, smart content.
The best way to get a pay rise, honestly, is to switch organizations. That's much faster and more effective than slowly trying to build a case for a raise or promotion in the job where you currently are... That's the reality of the modern world.
This is how it works in the HVAC industry. If you want a promotion, leave.
What I've learned in my career is that solving problems and full filling the gaps that exists in your team are the most powerful things you can do to be noted. In general you firstly perform the task of a leader, than you get promoted.
Find the problems / gaps and solve them, do not be afraid of assuming new tasks whereever is possible, this is the beggining of everything.
This filling the gaps strategy seems to be an effective one for many. And not being afraid of tackling new tasks is important too 👍
I agree with you. A leader type of person gets promoted. I am an engineer and can solve technical problems most can’t but I don’t like to lead others. I never get promoted.
I agree with this leader! 😃How many people are you leading now?
@@PO-nb8qc Thanks for sharing this. At least you're self-aware to know this. Many high performers don't understand this about themselves, and I've seen it cause them frustration. They want to earn the boss's pay, but they don't want to do what it takes to learn what the leader has learned.
That is not true. People are looking at communication organization delegation skills. If they are present, new grads become managers. If those are missing 20 years exp will bebleft behind and asked to go to Google to orivectgat they are high performers
That's why I always advise young people who enter the workforce. Never be loyal to your job. If you see better opportunities elsewhere, do not hesitate to quit and move on. That's the only way to get to the top. Someone will always give you a chance.
Thank you for a great video. Sadly many times the popular worker gets the gig. It’s important to be aware of what you mentioned as well as learning about office politics as soon as possible.
If you do you task so well and finish in a short time, they will give you more task to do. It's the fact.
Do you ever wonder what your boss did to get his promotion to become your boss? The answer will reflect the company culture. My ex-boss was an idiot. He was totally unqualified yet he got the job because he was not a threat to his boss. This guy spent all his energy taking credits from his people. The team morale was horrible. But he was never in trouble because management needs him to “fix” the morale problems. They started giving out $5 gift cards for coffee or free ice cream every Wednesday. Folks, this is how large American corporations work. You can’t learn that from any book.
Don't forget the pizza party
Learned this a long time ago….start a job for the title you want, promotions are a joke and rarely happen. If you want to be a manager, start the job as a manager. If you want to get a higher salary and better title, quit and find the title and salary you want.
I think the biggest problem here is viewing management and leadership as the only vertical for promotion.
I don't understand your statement. Can you elaborate?
@@LeadingDailymanagers deal with a lot of nonsense that high achievers don't want to deal with. The best player on a sports team isn't necessary the best coach. Yet exceptional players get paid more than interchangeable players and even coaches.
@@Ed.Miller I understand. And I completely agree with you. Thanks for your follow-up statement. If management and leadership aren't the only vertical promotions based on your opinion, what else could be?
@@LeadingDailyin my opinion, I think to get the alternative job promotion doesn't require a grander job position title. It could be off-the-record type of job, where you are unofficially the right-hand man to any directors in the C-suite. For all I know, you could just be a secretary/receptionist, but you handle a lot of important & secretive documents no other ordinary employees knows. You are given power, perks & extra allowances way over others this way, for "being the boss' favourite".
True. But that’s the take for this channel.
My experience is that flattery is the art which is key to promotion universally (there are exceptions of course). Alas not everyone one can do it even if they try. First condition is to kill your self respect 😂
I think this advice is most applicable for the person that intends to spend all or the majority of their career at the same company. Some people stay in the same spot too long at the same company and need to be comfortable switching companies for career growth if it’s not happening at the current company.
That actually what I have been doing, plus lets not forget the real elephants in the room (nepotism & cronyism)! Many companies fail because they practices the two.
To each their own. We live with the choices we make.
Yes absolutely true
How many years is staying too long and how many switching too much?
@@laiebi_3639 usually you should be staying with a company for atleast 1.5-2 years if you want to make an attractive resume, this shows your ability to commit to an organization.
I am always popular among customers and unloved by colleagues and management I don't know why. The only solution I could think of was starting working independently for myself.
This is a really good video. I've been aware of most of these things and trying to implement most of the strategies while still being really good technically. The sad truth is that the perception of good work is more important than actually doing good work. Find the balance that works for your situation. And, if you notice someone is making mistakes that others cannot see, dont waste your time being their janitor. Focus on advocating for yourself and your team while leveraging others in healthy ways.
Am I the only performer who never ever wanted a promotion 🤔? I know, each to their own, I personally am a comfort lover, I've made my work space so easy and effortless that I don't feel that I'm even working 😅 I envy ambitious people but I also decline promotion! It's weird and may be. It's not making sense to many. Beautiful video and great content 👏🏾
I can understand not wanting a promotion with the added responsibilities but I don’t want to be given the responsibility and not being promoted or compensated for the additional workload.
I’m part time. This is my 2 year anniversary on the job as part-time. I have not been promoted or asked to move up in my company. I work the afternoons. I m glad I have my mornings for to me to upgrade my skills, work on courses and start my side business (Etsy).
You are not alone , i dont like also being promoted i rather stay in the background , do my job and go home at 5pm . 😅 and the same time my salary is enough to slowly invest for my future goals in my home country .
What's being said is quite differ what I have experienced. The person being promoted is most likely to suck up to people who can help them in their careers to the point of being a sycophant. Being the type of person they go to the pub with. Often someone that is very good at office politics and self promotion to the point where they are actually lying. Occasionally those people are good at the job, but often terrible. If you are lucky, they will just delegate their roles to everybody else so they can cause the least damage. It's why you get so many incompetent managers and administrators.
As an employee who works hard like I own the place. I reached a decision to quit my job and start my own business 😊
Same here but glad you can do that good luck bro
This training should be taught in school. I had to learn these the hard way at a previous company. I watched as incompetent or problematic people got promoted. It’s very true that it does not help you to work the hardest or be the best in your job.
All this is good in theory. In practice what i have seen works is:
1. Do you really want to get promoted? Are you a depth person or a breadth person? Do you want to get into people management?
2. Are you comfortable with meetings all day?
3. Are you someone who wants to do meaningless stuff (for the org) so that you will look good?
4. Conflict avoidance aka smooth talking sob? If you express opinions esp in front of seniors, you are out of the race.
I'm a high performer.I kept seeing lazy unintelligent people getting promoted so, I left and started my own business where I promoted myself.
High performance is in the eye of the beholder
Is subjective sometimes
Absolutely correct. Hard work has little value these days.. I quit. reflected and decided never to neglect or mistreat myself again..
This is exactly why I retired from the military, and recently turned in my notice to my employer.
I love how in both instances I was told how much I was needed, yet the best they had to offer was the very job / position I was leaving in the first place.
This is very informative, Kara. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Feel like I am going to focus on my work output for now to win my seniors' trust . Once I feel confident at the new work place in about few months , I am going to focus on what you have adviced in your video.
Good strategy. Trust is so important to develop with your senior management. But this takes time to develop. I like that you're willing to put in the time and effort required.
Well I havent watched the video but I'll simply say this. After working 4 years at a company, 3 weeks after I quit they called me up and offered me a promotion with lots of new stuff. Sometimes they just need a break to see what they've missed. Same thing happend to my sister when she left for maturity leave. They had to hire two people to do her job and it still wasnt up to par. When she went back to work she had some demands. XD
Promotions are very complicated matter, really difficult to define a code but I felt, Getting a promotion is function of 1] Performance 2] good at politics (more politely “emotional intelligence”) 3] Being right place at right time 4] showing capacity (Managerial) 5] creating trust (Boss doesn’t feel you are a threat). The weight may vary in each element depending on the organization. The most Important thing is to identify where the flow goes, if you can, you are done.
i completely agree with you, leader's job is not a merely technical expert can do. it requires a different skillsets to be one.
I agree with this leader. I really like number 5 on your list "creating trust." This reminds me of Robert Greene's first law of "The 48 Laws of Power," Never Outshine The Master.
@@dr.franxx 💯What are some of the best qualities and skills you've seen of leaders you know? 😊A few of the best I've witnessed are Listening, Critical Thinking, and Giving effective feedback.
Really good points. I found public sector very different to private sector. Skills are different. High performers tend to do better in the latter. Public sector have obsessions with diversity targets and less about business success.
I am a high performer. And i already accepted that. Many of my past employers have promised me promotions that they do not give. That is how i learned to never never rely on promotions or increases. Yes getting promoted looks good. But if i really want a higher position, what i do now is apply for a higher position in a new employer. I do not wait around. If i can get the position i want somewhere else, that is where i will go. Best part is salary qise it will also pay me bigger than if i waited for promotion.
after a year I got promoted to supervisor. I did not like it because it doesn't come with a raise. i feel I am under paid.
and now its another year that pass and still no raise, the HR manager told me about the highest possible raise I could get, I'm disappointed.
I'm leaving soon.
Some company just takes advantage of this, giving promotions just to make you feel proud and happy,
I need money not stupid promotions, promotions also creates more work that you need to accomplish and for what.. for a little amount? g@damn!
Nepotism is the norm for promotion in many organisations.
When supervisors are looking to promote they are looking for other skills outside your normal job tasks, skills like brown nosing and backstabbing.
Funny but true
On point
This video pretty much matches my experience exactly. I've been the 'too important to promote' person before so at my current company i made sure to tell my boss I'd leave if I ever heard those words.
Thankfully one manager saw some potential in me and helped me move into a role that suits me better and included a promotion to Senior Engineer after just two years.
In line with what you said Kara, I made my desires known (to progress up the technical career ladder), sought higher-level duties, worked on my leadership and project management skills and made sure to interact with senior management when they visited. The new role aligns directly with my sponsor's pet projects and helps progress his vision.
I count myself lucky but also accept credit that my abilities and dedication helped open the door to opportunity. There's no doubt that sitting at my desk and pumping out quality work wasn't going to do it alone. I pushed as hard as I thought I could to make sure I was considered for advancement at the first opportunity. Now there's already talk of next steps in a couple more years.
“Keep looking and don’t settle.” -Steve Jobs.
Highly agree to saying no more often. Thanks for sharing.
I learned that saying "no" more then you say "yes" is what gets your promoted. To be trusted to work in favour of the company, the company needs to trust you aren't a walk over to those below you.
Alot of this I can agree with here. But hard work is the foundation for all of this advice. So on top of hardwork, just take every/appreciate opportunity you can get, be strategic, and associate yourself with mentors/sponsors.
Go one step further than hard work. I like it!
Solid insight Kara thank you! Sometimes being too good requires some extra along with it
It does. It adds to all the hard work you're doing, unfortunately, but will lead to better results.
I saw my boss struggling so I got promoted when I asked her how can I help her on her duties and also to assign me some.
The first reason makes me feel so disgusted and disappointed. If they don’t want to promote the high performer, at least rise their salary
I got a recent promotion through an internal promotion interview, I had worked on the skills, which you mentioned in the above video and it helped me to get a promotion.
The Formula is well-known. if you live in a western country.
1. you are white male &
2. you were born to a well-to-do family
You need bare minimum effort for that promotion.
Other end:
1. you are non-white &
2. you are an average achiever
You need to work 100 times harder than your white average coworker provided that
you do not live in the Midwest.
My advice: do the bare minimum, work only to learn operations of businesses.
Use your downtime to work on your own product or service. Don't give away your great ideas to
your boss or company. Let others win the rat race.
Work on making your own business the major income while treating your company-job the side
hustle. In this way, you do not keep false expectations on promotions, you will not be frustrated
when your boss's favorite employee (who gets all major projects) get promoted.
Your opinion was correct in 1961 and earlier. The pendulum had swung way too far in the opposite direction by 1995.
It's often better to spend time on producing something for ourselves that we can keep and control. Nobody to answer to except clients.
@@markgothard7158 it is still correct when it comes to tons of those western private corporations out there.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 My original comment is absolutely correct. You are doing the what about the exception method of arguing, and it’s silly.
This is a very true video. All rounders are needed for promotion. People skills and leading self and others are important.
Promotions at the end of the day depends on whether you are the favourite of your boss. If you are not the boss will tell you that nothing what you have done in the past count and you will need to define a plan to get promoted, but they can’t guarantee you will get promoted. That way they will have the excuse not to promote you if you are not their favourite person
Its all about seeing the bigger picture. Recommended video for all aspiring high performers 👍
I think the root of all evil is that the system of promotion itself. Managers should be considered as just a type of roles in the company. They are equal to everyone else.
It’s just that everyone has different roles and managers are no exception.
Exactly!
Don't let promotion, job grades and salary raise or wealth shape your life! Your satisfaction with your own values and feeling of worth is way more important in the long run in your life do what makes you feel alive and relevant in this universe
I think I'm high performance employee and I have been recently promoted.
I had a conversation with my boss and my main points were
- I want a better salary
- I like the company and I would like to stay
We talk about it, in 3 months I will comunícate the same and tell I will be searching actively for a new job but in 2 months I had my promotion.
I work for a US company from Argentina, so they had to do a lot of burocracy in order to give me my promotion, 2 months were very fast.
That's fantastic! You've really taken initiative with your career advancement.
Well, stay in thst company than. I work at a company that gives a position that clearly states Bachelors required to non holders. Color of skin.... .
Thank you for sharing your comprehensive insights on this topic. Could you provide a video that addresses situations similar to a highly capable and potential individual who is deeply involved in strategic planning, leading high-profile projects, and managing the largest team in the branch? Despite these contributions, I find myself (ME) overlooked for promotions, suggesting a possible personal conflict with management. My performance evaluations consistently rank between "Very Good" and "Outstanding," and I've been recognized as both Employee of the Year and Employee of the Month. Furthermore, I've successfully mentored my team members, leading to their promotions. At this moment, I am feeling overwhelmed and at a loss for words.
I would greatly appreciate any guidance or resources you might have.
You want to know who promotes high performers? New employers.
Well said! I hope more people get to see this as it is a voice of reason that tries to offer a human perspective away from all the politics.
I am doing all of these things. After taking on managerial duties I have gone to my supervisor and the AVP about my goals and outlined what I want they told me we don’t do out of cycle raises and there is no opportunity for promotion. They have stopped collaborating with me on projects and no longer respond when I have suggestions for process improvements. They liked it more when I silently took on additional tasks.
Wonder if there could be another reason why they aren't responding to your suggestions and collobarate on projects. Was there a conversation or understanding about what is expected from you by taking on managerial duties prior to your requests? Is anyone else doing these managerial duties now, or are you still doing them? I am asking for clarity before I respond with a suggestion. Thank you
I did all the work in this project and a guy who arrived 6 months ago got the promotion. After learning this, I went and told my boss that I am looking for another job. He said they need me in the project because I have been there since the beginning and that I know more than anyone else. I laughed silently. They are now worried I might leave any time before the project is over.
This is a great video. Yours videos really show good insights.
Thank you!
I have been working in a same position for 4 years and the last 1.5 years I have been doing senior level job but not being promoted. I already proved them I can do the senior lever over a year and I haven’t been promoted. I raised the concern to my boss several times and he promises me by mouth but haven’t seen any actions. I used to be very hard working and but lately I found myself loosing my interest in trying hard cuz of not seeing any improvement in my career at this point.
To become a manager or leader it is a popularity contest. I witnessed an average employee become a supervisor by hanging out and drinking with the plant manager, production manager at a local bar
Being disagreeable does seem strategically advantageous yes. Seems Machiavellian but I like that you mentioned demonstrating to management that you can persuade others.
Job: "You work too good, can't promote you"
Also Job: " You don't work like you used to, gotta let you go"
Apart from hard work you need to have social skills. This is a big thing. The more, the better. If you get people on your side, they will contribute in various ways to help you achieve your objectives.
@@LuciTulcea absolutely, social skills are really important.
If hard work isn't smart work, a revision might be needed. Unless, you enjoy the hardwork. Thank you for a very informative video.
Generally, the term hard work includes smart, forward-pushing and result-bringing work.
There are three things that gave me the edge not one thing in particular, 1 having a mentor who is senior position who is at a more senior than my my manger and his manager, 2 through my mentor arranged to shadow colleagues at the same grade but work for a different part of the business this helped my statement of suitablity and finally my resillience how to learn from the feedback if your appicatiion gets rejected from either the intial sift or at the interview stage.
If your personal circumstances allow it start your own business. There are a lot of resources that will help you - entrepreneur groups for instance.
I think one of the most important traits of high performance individuals is the lack of foresight in understanding and seeing the wider picture. Sometimes and more often than not, high performing individuals would be better to either partner up or go solo in business. The high output and energy would definitely lead to higher results and financial results.
I think many high performers have worked this out and followed the entrepreneurial path. Sometimes they realise it's better to use that energy for themselves rather than someone else.
@@kararonin yes I have do this for my self too
@@kararonin Yes definitely. The quicker someone realises their strengths, the quicker they can market them and monetise their value. Everyone has a hidden gift, it is about finding that gift as quickly as possible preferably at a young age, so you can reap the wards much faster.
In my experience, in privet companies,no matter where they are from or any regional, they more tend to promote their friends and families they hired and pay higher than someone have been working for them for years. But it’s very informative video however this will not work in this century.
Ugh I have this issue at my company. What upsets me is the false hope managers give. I understand it’s their psychological tactic to make me work harder but with broken promises comes with broken trust and I cannot commit to a manager who lies to me about false opportunities. I would respect a manager who was upfront with me and told me look, “we really like you and you are doing a good job but it’s really hard to promote you because we can’t find someone to replace you who would perform on par, is there anything we can do to ensure you will decide to stay longer in this position?”. Promotions aren’t everything and there are other ways of negotiating but managers are too stingy or lazy to propose or commit to any arrangement that would benefit the productive worker! I always get the sad face when it’s time for me to submit my resignation letter for a higher paying job but I honestly feel like it’s the same cycle every job!
For me, don’t waste your time on a job trying to start your own business is the best ,be your own boss
This has been of great help to me.
Thanks ma'am