Laney VH100R vs Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100 - 90s UK Amp Shootout
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2023
- Alright! Most of you wanted to see the Laney shot out against a Marshall first. So here you go
Signal chain:
I'm using a Gibson SG Raw Power tuned to drop C# with a Seymour Duncan Black Winter pickup in the bridge and a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates in the neck (used for cleans and leads here).
The guitar is running into a Deasdweald Duality DX which when on is running in TS style mode with gain at 0 and the EQ and Volume at around 1 o'clock. From there the signal goes into an Egnater SS4 Amp Switcher and into the amps. the active amp is routed back into the SS and from there into a Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR loaded.
00:09 Introduction
01:19 Laney Ch. A Mode 1 (Clean) + Bright Switch
01:31 Marshall Ch. A Mode 1 (Clean)
01:44 Toggling Ch. A Mode 1 (Clean)
02:09 Laney Ch. A M1 (Clean) + Bright + Reverb on 5
02:23 Marshall Ch. A M1 (Clean) + Reverb on 5
02:38 Laney Ch. A M1 (Clean) + Bright + Reverb on 10
02:53 Marshall Ch. A M1 (Clean) + Reverb on 10
03:07 Toggling Ch. A Mode 1 (Clean) + Reverb on 10
03:26 Laney Ch. A Mode 2 (Crunch)
03:40 Marshall Ch. A Mode 2 (Crunch)
03:54 Toggling Ch. A Mode 2 (Crunch)
04:14 Laney Ch. B Mode 1 (Heavy)
04:31 Marshall Ch. B Mode 1 - Gain Low (Heavy Crunch)
04:46 Toggling Ch. B Mode 1 (Crunch)
05:14 Laney Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain)
05:34 Marshall Ch. B Mode 1 (High Gain)
05:52 Toggling Ch. B Mode 2 / Laney - Mode 1 / Marshall
06:28 Laney Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Boost
06:46 Marshall Ch. B Mode 1 (High Gain) + Boost
07:05 Toggling Ch. B M2 / Laney - M1 / Marshall + Boost
07:49 Laney Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain)
08:05 Marshall Ch. B Mode 2 - (High Gain)
08:19 Toggling Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain)
08.44 Laney Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Boost
09:00 Marshall Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Boost
09:14 Toggling Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Boost
10:00 Laney Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Reverb & Boost
10:07 Marshall Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Reverb & Boost
10:14 Toggling Ch. B Mode 2 (High Gain) + Reverb & Boost
10:33 Laney Effect of the Resonance Switch
10:46 Marshall Effect of the Deep Button
10:59 Toggling Resonance and Deep Off
11:11 Toggling Cleans with Resonance and Deep On
11:35 Final Thoughts
Laney amps are real sleepers that deserve more recognition! Sounds great and my preference in almost all scenarios here!
Laney all the way that amps so underrated
Awesome stuff 🎉 Love the Laney 😊
Laney for me
Most non important comment of the day: First time I hear someone outside of Quebec saying ''Tourlou" (the last word you said at the end haha) meaning ''see you next time'' (unless in Germany it means something else) haha
Great comparisson! I found that the VH100's Resonance switch adds volume and gain across the entire spectrum, not just the low end. As for which amp is better - I think your conclusion is similar to mine. They are somewhat even in terms of sound quality, even though they don't sound the same. It's gonna be up to taste to decide which one you want (and maybe practical features).
Laney all day. I normally prefer Marshalls but the vh100r is one of the greatest and most underrated amps ever. I think it beats the jcm 2000
Really underrated machine for sure
Both sound pretty good, with one just slightly edging the other out depending on settings. Laney seemed to really take the boost well and that’s probably my favorite of the gainier tones. Liked the cleans better too. The Laney and Marshall sound similar but clearly different.
Nice Riffs and compa! Someday i have to visit you and your amp Factory 😂
They are pretty different circuit-wise. The Laney pre-amp is like a Marshall 2203/4 sans the first treble enhancer but tighter in the bass and plus an extra gain stage. The cleans got their own circuit path. 2000 got a very different circuit.
Thanks for another great shootout!
The "airiness" of the Marshall definitely appealed to me regarding the cleans. For crunch and the first HG tones I felt that the Laney simply sat firmer across the whole spectrum which I liked. As for the boosted tones - the Marshall's got a clarity that I'm drawn to. Overall - I probably couldn't pick one either ;)
I somehow got the impression that the resonance switch on the laney would be an "always-on" option for me whereas on the Marshall the deep switch is an actual option despite the amp sounding a bit boomy with it for my taste.
Also I got a little distracted when the final thoughts part started ;)
Looking forward to whats up next!
Cheers!
Agree! I see no reason to ever turn off the Resonance on the Laney. It sits where I like it.
I wondered if somebody would notice 😂
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne The white tolex looks sweet as well! Of all of the Diezels the Hagen is probably the most tempting one for me. Maybe also the one with the worst availability...
Have you had a chance yet to form an opinion on the Hagen?
I've only spent a short while with it but I really like it. Channel 1 might be the best Diezel clean to me, channel 2 seems like a Diezel take on the hot rodded Marshall sound. The gain knob covers a lot of ground here and the entire range of the knob is useable. Channel 3 striked me as 5150 sound with the Diezel mids. Great fun. Channel 4 is kinda nuts. Very heavy on the low end and saturated. It's almost fuzz like and to me, unusable for riffs without a boost to tighten it up. It's meant for leads, I guess
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Yeah, the cleans are a big part of what makes it so appealing (mostly judging from Diezel's own videos) - seems like the whole package.
(VHX sounds amazing as well and if it can cover all the tones of the other amps even more so - but I'm kind of stuck on the good old-fashioned analogue approach - a lot of which stems from longevity concerns (mainly sparts and so on).)
Anyway - thanks a lot for your insight :) I'm always learning a lot!
Laney sounds really good but there's something about the Marshall growl that sets em apart for me.
Both of them are good in their own way. Laney VH100R straight up sounds like a JCM800 with more gain, it's one of the best high gain amps for folks who don't want to deviate from the tried and tested JCM800 tone.
The DSL sounds like a modernized take on the Marshall tone. It's has less mid-range and more aggressive high end.
Great comparison, two amps really similar in character but slightly different voice on some of the channels - i would have either!
Thank you! I agree! Next up is the Peavey 5150 and that is quite different
With that Kind of comparison, I underground why I prefer Laney instead of Marshall. I have 4 Laney at home. And it sounds killer in every situation. (TT20h + cab 1x12 / TT50H + cab 2x12 / Lionheart L5T-112 / Chrome-o-Zone )
Great video. I like DSLs but I like the Laney even more! Also: these early 2000s made in uk amps pair really well with the Mesa IRs you are using. I never liked the DSL too much with the standard Marshall 1960 with T75s (music stores always paired the amp with those, massive mistake imo). For more classic tones the DSL pairs really well with the greenback marshall cabs though!
Thanks Chris! I agree. I find the souns nicely balanced. Also agree on the T75s in the Marshall cabs. Could never get the standard cabs to work for me. The 1960x, 1960v and tv cabs are great though in my opinion
I need to try my DSL without the deep switch because I always have the deep switch on to keep some lowend. I like what it sounds like here. What was the speaker set up? Just saw you used a Deadweld Duality that explains the tones, Kyle Bull uses one and it makes everything sound 👌
Kyles channel is great. I actually think that's where I saw that pedal first too. It's an outstanding OD!
I was actually using an IR in this video. The amps run through a switcher into a Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR loaded on it (so a Mesa cab with early 2000s Celestion Vintage 30s). Otherwise I would probably be using one of my Orange cabs or my frontloaded Zilla Fatboy
That was a great comparison and I loved your riffs too. It's like you said the Laney is a little bit tighter and it has more bottom end in my opinion but the Marshall does sound great doing what a marshall is supposed to do. Bottom line they're both great amps!
Thank you very much!
I like that riff at 5:37 👌. I think the Laney has a little more crunch. I have the JCM 2000 DSL100 and with a boost or overdrive it sounds pretty good
Thank you very much! The JCM 2000 DSL 100 is a great amp. Slightly underrated too in my opinion
Love my Laney tt50h
Probably need to crank both amps up to really see the difference.Marshall sounds better the louder its cranked.Does the Laney have El34 tubes like the marshall?Thanks for sharing your video.
In this case, the Marshall is loaded with JJ E34L and the Laney has JJ 6L6 tubes in it. Yes, I find some Marshall amps need a certain volume to breathe. Both amps are pretty loud here. I'd say loud band practice volumes
Would be interesting to see comparison between VH100R and the IRT. I haven't seen any good comparisons in youtube...
That's still on my list to do. Today is VH100R vs 5150 day. The IRT is the next and last shootout (for the time being) I will do with the VH100R
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Oh man I'm for sure going to be on the lookout for both of those vids!
Hi, can you tell us what footswitches you used or you recommend to switch modes using the JCM2000 DSL100?
Any latching footswitch will be able to switch between the two main channels or the reverb. You cannot switch the modes of the channels on these amps via footswitch
the jcm2000 gets my vote.
i do run twin 90s 100watt heads tho;)
Marshall sounds drier, the Laney juicier.
Now I miss my old Laney. I should have never sold it
Bummer... On the plus side, these are still sleepers and good deals on them can be found now and then
Marshall
Laney, the look and sound are beyond marshall
shared EQ sucks
Yeah, I'd rather be not forced to compromise