The Laney Sound -vs- The Marshall Sound
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this video I compare two classic Hardrock guitar tones! The Laney sound is mostly associated with Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath and the Marshall sound is widely used by for instance Kiss, ACDC, Lede Zeppelin etc. The two rigs I'm using today are:
Laney:
1969 Laney Supergroup 60
1972 Laney/Dan Armstrong 4x12 with T1976 Greenbacks
BSM DM-T Treble Booster
Marshall:
2016 Marshall JMP 1959SLP
1973 Marshall 1960B 4x12
Both have their own unique tone but, can we give a thumbs up to that bass tone!!! It sounded AMAZING! Keep rockin Johan! 🤘🏻🎸
Thanks! Glad you like it. I’m a fan of bridge mud buckers
@@JohanSegebornIs it a real mudbucker or one of those fakebuckers the japanese sometimes used?
Making me rethink my bass rig with that setup. Always need another 😂 have a trinity Amps B15 kit and a ampeg v4 that sound great at their ideal volumes. Looking up mudbuckers. Those amps sound amazing
The marshall and Lanel are amazing BUT the sound of the lake next to the mountains in Switzerland when it gently hits the rocks is AMAZING!!!!
Correction: Sweden@@saucerfullofzepp4203
The doubled riff sounds amazing. Both setups are spot on and those huge kick and snare drums help make the whole thing sound massive. Nicely done!
Thanks! Really good to hear that!
Well said.
The Laney sounds like it has some extra evilness to it! Thanks Johan
Thanks! Yeah that’s the USP of the Laney! 😁
I would have preferred to hear one amp at a time.
I thought the circuit of the 1959 and the Laney were nearly the same.
What speakers did the Laney use?
Thank you for the massive effort you have to put into making your vintage gear comparisons. Hauling big cabs around isn't easy, So it definitely has to be a labor of love. Hopefully these videos will be around forever as a reference or in a library of some kind long after we are all gone.
Wow!!!! I bet there’s nobody else on UA-cam who’s been able to document so much vintage and classic gear, nor as many different combinations as you have! Your channel is a real treasure! 😉
Thanks, it’s really good to hear that!
uh nice one… funny how small those big amps sound. no thundering lows… band makes em big. maybe make a vid on that supposed. billy
gibbons quote „want a big sound? get a small amp“. pignose makes a great bass amp
I thought the Laney actually had better mids and was warmer while the Marshall had a raspier sound that I didn’t care for as much-and I’m usually a Marshall guy. In the late 80’s I bought a Laney Pro-Tube 100 made in the mid 80’s which was Laney’s answer to the JCM800 and it was better than a JCM800.
Thanks Scott
I used 2 aor pro-tube heads in the late'80's and early '90's. Loved the gain and versatility but they were so hissy I ended up using a rack preamp and just the Laney power sections. I think they were too complicated for their own good. Owned an earlier Laney with two 6ca7s, basic Marshall style layout knobwise, and that thing kicked major a**. One of the ones you wish didn't get away.
I had a Laney GH50L a little over 10 years ago. It was a AOR but with more bass. It’s an incredible amp and made a Marshall JCM800 sound weak in comparison.
Love it when every instrument has its own voice. I like the combo.
You never fail to deliver my friend! That was fantastic! You are one of the most underrated channels on UA-cam... you should have over a million Subscribers! Eventually people will realize what a gem of a channel you have and it will attract the large number of followers you deserve! I really enjoyed that raw sound of the Laney!
Wow! my two favorites amps of all time Marshall 1959slp and Laney Supergroup really great tone! and great playing
Thanks! Glad you like them!
Love to see the Brothers Segeborn back together! Great riffage and I loved both tones. They pair well together. Marshall was more creamy and saturated. Laney was more raw and cutting. Seemed like less gain, but no less brutal. Very Iommi-esque like you said. Fantastic stuff as usual Maestro Johan. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
Thanks man glad to hear it! Rock on!
This righteous riffage I may borrow!
I usually played Marshalls in my punk rock days. But I also owned some Orange, Laney, and Sound City amps at that time. They were all very cool and unique. I usually used the Marshalls for live performances. Thanks KC
The Laney surely sounds good but man...the Marshall tone still amazes me every time that I hear it!
Hej Johan, apart from your killer guitar work on the Marshall (as usual) and on the Laney, I am deeply impressed by your drumming and bass playing on this track. You sound killer!!! And Laney and Marshall match up so well. Impressive. Keep it up, man!
Thanks Raphael! Makes my day to hear that
Sounds like a leftover track/demo from the first Montrose album...really cool stuff 👍
Thanks my friend :-)
Straight up I'm leaning too the Marshal. Together they fill the freq range nicely, but the fuller tone of Jim's box wins. Try these with a practice or cheap amp or like a Fender Champ
Thanks
Sounds great. Staying on beat while tapping your foot off beat is a hidden talent.
Hahaha! Yeah it’s a tail rather than a foot
@johansegeborn your playing is great as usual! You really should consider recording and album!
They are a fantastic complement of each other.
Thanks I think so too! Both in terms of frequencies and attitude
They sound awesome together Johan!! They really compliment each other well. Great playing as usual Johan!
Thanks Jeff! Good to hear that
For years one of the best youtubers with just the nicest community! Great tunes! Though I think you should have used the same guitar on both amps.
Dude, one of the best videos that you’ve ever posted!
Thanks, really good to hear that!
No substitute for a good 4x12.
Currently rocking a Laney VC30 212 fitted with Hiwatt speakers and jolly nice it is too.
...and the Segeborn brothers crocs gang strikes again! Very strong this time with both Marshall and Laney half stacks. Definitely among my most favourites, the bass and drum tracks have a great vibe and your riffage is very catchy! Hope it's gonna be a part of your album someday... The amps seem to compliment each other well, although the Laney seems to stay more in the background. Wonder why some bands didn't use this combination? Cheers and rock on Johan🤘
I'm surprised I liked the Laney better. It sounded fantastic!
Thanks! Glad to hear that
Your full mix sound is getting better and better!
Thanks! Really good to hear that!
Awesome comparison! People always discounted Laney amps. Johan just proved what they are all about.
Thanks Don! Yeah the Laney has such a disobedient vibe to it!
Well I'm just a bit disappointed that they turned out to be less gainy than the Marshalls despite being the amps that gave us metal
1 great thing about living in the middle of sweden is NO NEIGHBOURS! I can rock out as loud as I wnt at 2am with no complaints. dig the jam man loving it.
Thanks man glad to hear it!
Great tune and killer tone (as usual)! They pair up exceedingly well! Cheers.
Thanks, glad to hear it! Cheers!
I don't know what we would do without you Johan! Hands down the most entertaining and enlightening channel on youtube.
100%!
Thanks, really glad to hear that!
Except Pewdepie.
I liked the Laney better, it has a fuller body and a more balanced response, also i like that most of the Laneys i had heard didn't had any speaker fizziness, while the Marshall sounded to me quite thin on the body and with a janglier, fizzier response.
Thanks!
My experience with Laney is they can imitate Marshall with broadly similar Celestions in the cabs. Laney can play a trick with the second pre-amp (gain) valve to alter its biassing on the fly, which Marshall don't do. The cabinets, typically birch ply, could be of more variable quality than Laney. You could take two amps of the same model off the peg and they would sound different.
As others have said, they sound great combined and also compliment each other really well.
I think the Marshall has more of a bark, especially in the top end. The Laney has a wonderful thick and unrefined, almost growl-like tone. Thanks for demonstrating them both so well together!
I don't think Laney amps get anywhere near the recognition they deserve. I have an old 100W AOR head but would love a Supergroup too, unfortunately they are prohibitively expensive! Out of curiousity, have you ever tried a LA30BL? I wonder how it would compare.
Thanks! Yeah Laney is a huge part of hard rock tone. I haven’t tried the LA30BL yet though I’m afraid
@@JohanSegeborn we need to make that happen, Johan! get in touch!
I really like the bass tone! Great playing.
Thanks! Great to hear that!
Marshall-Hiwatt-Laney three way shootout. You know we want to see it.
That’s a good idea. I need to get a Hiwatt
@@JohanSegebornyeeeeeeah more Hiwatt 😎👍
Johan, not only can you come up with some amazing demo hooks, you could also probably step on a cats tail and it would sound great! 😁
Great video. I think they work really well together in the mix but I easily prefer the tone of the Marshall when listening to them individually. 👍
Thanks! Glad you like it
the guitar tones are amazing... but THAT BASS TONE!! oh my god!
Both sound really good together. I would choose the laney
Would love to see a demo/hear your thoughts on the Pro Tube series
Cool. I've always wanted a Super Group. I'd be very interested to hear each amp through their own - and then through each other's - matching 4x12 cab. Rock on Johan!
Ph.D Johan is back. That is one I have never played or even seen in person, a Laney.
Cheers 😉
Nothing wrong with ANYTHING in that video!! Sounds *killer* 100%!! impressive playing and "production" too Johan
Thanks my friend! 🤘
With Johan's hard work, creative and unique approach I think he had deserved 100k subs years ago. In fact I don't understand why he hasn't got twice as much...
@@alanst.4417 100% 🤘
Wow! Awesome combination
Thanks Ian!
I'm surprised that Laney is the more nasally one.
I have a VH100R and it's a rather warm, mid-range sounding amp. I absolutely love it especially when it's on the "Lead" channel.
Sån härlig vibe på videon, underbar demonstration ! 👏
Tackar, Gott att höra!
So eine schöne Stimmung in den Videos, wunderbare Demonstration!
Great song/sound! ....from this kind of songs which you could play all night long ;) Regards.
Thanks man! 😁Glad to hear it
Lovely sounds! I would be curious to hear it with guitars swapped. Maybe it's just me but I think there is a distinct SG tone on the Laney.
Thanks! These guitars are actually very similar sounding, the Nordin is a bit more dynamic. The Laney tone is so associated with SG and Sabbath so I also intuitively cone to think of SG when I play it
IMO, Laneys are darker and thicker sounding than the bright, piercing Marshall. The Marshall cuts through a mix, the Laney fills in a mix. They compliment each other very well. I’m partial to Laney.
👍👍 Good stuff!
If the drums and bsss would have been a bit heavier?
I would have broke out my red DEVO hat, black sleeveless tshirt and bull whip. 🤓
Thanks!
Whip it good...👍🏼
Hahaha! You’re right, I didn’t think of that. Love Devo
Holy S#%%!!!.... When does the Segeborns go on tour? Imagine how good this would be live.
Hahaha! Once they tighten up a bit… 😁
Both have their own sound. I think a few of the newer model Laneys come closer to classic Marshall sounds than this guy - hence why they get the monicker "Poor Mans Marshall". Nothing wrong with them though. Besides, it's got a lot to do with the speaker choice too.
Yeah both respective brands are represented by their typical amps as welll as cabs
The answer is YES
Cheers!
THIS is gonna be a MONSTER comp of EPIC proportions!
Cheers DMS! 😀
@@JohanSegeborn C U soon! \m/
I'm not sure that was a fair comparison. The Laney tracks didn't seem to involve any Carlsberg like the Marshall tracks did.
Hahaha! That’s an important observation 😁🍺
Such an awesome sounding mix - this sound is whats missing in modern rock
Wow! Fantastic rock performance by the Segeborn Band! ;) Love the biting, slightly nasal Laney sound (almost as much as the Marshall--very nice), but it's hard to tell how much is attributable to the treble booster and/or that cab + speaker combination? Nevertheless, a very enjoyable comparison--thanks to The Johan Four!
Thanks! Yeah the speakers and treble booster is indeed important factors
It's about time that lazy bass player finally got out of bed and showed up for the recording session!
Hahaha! He was almost fired
The bass sound is spectacular, I love it!
Thanks, glad you like it!
Man it’s huge i’ve got a loud marshall and exactly the same crock’s 😉😉😉
Cheers! 😉
I really like the quacky honky sound of the Laney. It doesn't sound nasally or flat...it just has a brash glassy sound that although I think stands perfectly fine on its own, blends very nicely with the Marshall here.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Both sound great!
Would love to hear them through the same speakers though, I think some G12M's could tame that high end on the Laney a bit
Laney side's got a Treble Booster on it.
@@sandorbronn1661 Ah I forgot about that, thanks
Thanks glad to hear it!!laney is actually a pretty dark amp. I played through G12M T1221 a couple of videos ago when I aimed for the early sabbath tone
@@JohanSegeborn Ah right! Loved the tone in that video though, might have to look into getting a Supergroup (as soon as I can afford one)…
Thanks for the great work over the years. It is a sort of tone mythbusting, much appreciated. Since I discovered your channel, I use it is a reference. I've been recording and producing albums for decades but instead of explaining things over and over again, I just direct folks to listen to your videos. It is all there, all the nuances and differences, perfectly matching to what I experienced over the years. Thank you, mate!
OMG. Come to the UK and play. Magic .
Thanks Paul! I’d love to
i was here for the sound but i'm more impressed for the tune :) however i prefer the sound of the marshall
Thanks man, really glad to hear that!
Amazing! I think the clear solution is to run both at the same time 😉 maybe throw in an old OR120 halfstack to complete the British wall of sound!
Thanks! All courses on the menu stirred down n a bucket a la Terry Jones!
Marshall has the treble Krang Laney has the fiery midrange bite of a dragon
Yeah the Laney has an electrical dangerous quality to it
Love what your playing. What cords are they?
Thanks, that’s E0 G0 G#0 E1 in the verse and C, G, A, E stick
Check out a mid '80s Laney Pro Tube head....either 50 or 100w....killer sounding amp....very JCM800-like!
Cool, I will!
Most people buy a Marshall for the simple fact that all their favorite players used one. Plus, Laney isn't synonymous with Rock the way Marshall is. It's a shame because Laney is the sound which helped create Heavy Metal, and that's why it's my go to amp for ANY situation.
It’s impossible to hear the Laney without hearing Sabbath. The Marshall isn’t quite so evocative of a single band. Interesting.
Yeah, it’s strange that not more bands picked up laney in the 70s in the light of sabbaths success. It may be because Laney is pretty dark and needs a good treble booster like the Dallas Rangemaster that Tony Iommi used or this BSM
@@JohanSegeborn Agree. I have a Laney VC30 212 and what you say is right. But it also takes a Boss Blues Driver really well.
The only thing against all 212 combos is lifting them and carrying them about… so I keep mine at home.
Great demo !There is something about marshall that glue the all instruments together… I was a week ago on Festival There was many bands . But There was one band with old Gretsh also other band but with vintage ludwig both with supraphonic Ampeg 8x10 marshall Jcm and it just all sing together. Fat punch and clean with all expression. For me Laney Here Jump and loose the sound. My Laney lc15 it’s kinda same like something is too much and not enough same time ;)
nice.. dig the Marshall's tone more
Thanks Robin!
I really liked the Laney sound here.
Thanks!
Another great video from Johan and the Segeborns! 😂
Thanks! 😆
Both sound good, but I prefer the Laney. Has more meat to it, and Marshall's have always had a tendency to make double coil pickups sound kind of single-coil/Strat'ish to me.
Thanks!
Who doesn't love those old Marshall Plexi sounds? That said, I'm more of a Laney guy. They just seem to have a bit more a full frequency spectrum to my ears. They're just a better fit for me. But, again, if I were doing a fly in and all that was available was the Marshall, I wouldn't complain any. :)
The Marshall just buzz in my ears , winner is ...... LANEY all day long... ! And I happen to have some laney ... ;) always liked that Laney tone better....
You're having way too much fun, Johan! Excellent riffing!!
Thanks! I sure am 😂
Well when they were building jcm 800s which i had.
Soon as laney came out with the aor 100 series with 8 tubes
I was sold the jcm didnt get used to much i actually bought a second 100 w laney head shortly after. So my main rig was two laney aor 100s.
And thats approx 30 years ago now. They were better sounding.
This was during the jcm 800 time though obviosly marshall began to build better amps as time went on to keep up with competion.
My choice of marshalls is 60's plexi 's after owning 100's and 50's for 45 years i sold the 100n's and kept my 68 50w plxi its bone stock and does it all ! I had a laney in the 70's it was to bright for me but a solid amp for sure cheers !
The only guy on UA-cam playing big rhythm guitar and not trying to widdle likeJohn Mayer or stevie malmsteen
Would love to see you demo a Laney AOR series from the '80's.
Yeah I’m really curious about those too. First chance I get
Felt like the Laney excelled at bringing out more of the guitar's characteristics while the Marshall just sounded like a Marshall
Yeah the Marshall tone is great but slightly overused so it can easily seem like a cliche
As I warching this I was thinking do I want to sound more like Angus Young or Tony Iomi ??? lol.. Grear comparision video and nice playing too.
Laney cuts better but Marshall has the tone we love from so many great recordings and legendary players, great production❤
Marshall Superlead rules...
Yeah that’s the benchmark for sure
Would have been better if you were not out of tune ....
Hahaha! It’s close enough for rocknroll.
I think the marshall cuts a bit better, more highs but a bit fizzy (?) the laney needs more room created in the mix. when played together my focus really moves to my right ear because I want to hear the laney where the marshall is creating a bit of ear fatigue it that all makes sense coming from a noob😂
Let's go !!!! Let me go rock n roll !!!!🤙🤙🤟🤟
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Marshall is denim, Laney is overalls. Pretty certain I have bought my last Marshall.
Great playing and sounds like always Johan!
But.... how can you compare two amps with two different guitars and (even worse) two different cabinets both in size and speakers, Goodmans vs Celestion?
Thanks! We’re comparing the rigs not the amps. These are the quintessential cabs for respective brand 4x12 with T1221 for the Marshall and 4x12 with T1976 for Laney. Both Greenbacks by the way.
Hells yeash, Look into an A-B-Y peddle then you can wire them direct to one guitar and play both or either with just a flick of the toe (its my secret to killer tone, one cleanish amp, one durdy amp mostly played at the same time but switching between them for effect)
The Rapco and MXR versions have a 3rd output so you can run yet another amp full time... which is also killer lol (good idear to have a hum eliminator on hand for weird ground loop issues though)
Yeah, I have used it occasionally. Cheers
That marshall sounds just like early acdc.
johan what happened to the mudbucker bass you sawed up ? are you going to demo it properly?
Great song and riffs Johan!! I'll always pick Marshall 🤘!! It is the sound of rock!
Thanks glad to hear it!
Strong preference for the Marshall, but the Laney doesn't sound bad by any means.
Thanks!
The Laney is more metal.
It’s definitely more disruptive today which is really good
Cool vid! Both set-ups sound great, but different of course. The Marshall has the signature Marshall "KERRAG" in the upper-mids. The Laney is a little fuller sounding...low-mids maybe. Laney amps typically dark-sounding usually requiring a treble boost of some sort and Marshall amps just sounding they way they sound, I'll go for the Marshall, keeping in mind though that I'm a Marshall-guy. They'd sound the best together in a band situation. I liked the gear provided courtesy of Carlsburg as well!
Thanks! Yeah can’t get too much Carlsberg