I recently converted to Christ about 4 months ago and I can’t believe just how much the church is divided on a number of issues. It’s utterly ridiculous and makes us look like a bunch of fools. I’m new to this, but even I know SIN is serious and something believers shouldn’t take lightly. Just my opinion, if you’re a Christian and continuing to live in willful deliberate lifestyle sin, you seriously need to examine you’re salvation. You’re making a mockery out of Christ’s sacrifice and that’s something I don’t want to stand before God over!! Regardless if I’m still saved or not
"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17)."Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, 'Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?' So Jesus said to him..."You know the commandments" (Mark 10:17,19) and then He listed half of the ten commandments (also in Luke 18:19-20). LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT THE MESSIAH SAID ABOUT KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS. LOOK WHO HE WOULD BE GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
So one’s behavior factors into whether a person receives eternal life? I thought it was by simply believing that Jesus is the Christ, the one who guarantees eternal life to everyone who believes in Him for it.
@@garyleemusic I think the idea is that believing in Jesus Christ leads to eternal life, yes, but believing also includes obeying and following Jesus, and that includes forsaking your life of sin. It’s a kind of a “truly believing in Jesus should lead to a transformed life” idea. Faith should lead to good works as a sign of good fruit. If there’s no fruit, then the faith in question is dead.
@@samueljennings4809 obeying and following Jesus is works, which are required to be a student (disciple) of Jesus, but not to be born again. Believe simply means to be convinced of the truth of something. Notice in the book of John (the only explicitly book with an evangelistic purpose statement written to unbelievers) never makes anything besides believing in (being convinced) Jesus for eternal life the condition of receiving that eternal life.
Hello!! How do you explain "what is born of the flesh is flesh and of The Sririt is Spirit" You must be born again" Can you give your explanation please, Thank you
Keep in mind who Jesus was speaking to in John 3 when Nicodemus said "we". Rich/prideful rulers of the Jews......rich in the text is many times code for the prideful, not always though. And poor is many times code for the poor in spirit "ie" the humble> see Mathew 5-3... Born of the water means to be born into this world in the flesh, Jesus confirmed this in verse 6....once lust and pride are conceived in the heart it gives birth to sin said the apostle James, then one needs to be born again which includes almost everyone.. .... Evil angels were not born of the water and their is no repentance for them, probably because they lived by sight, whereas with man its different, and has been granted repentance, or given the opportunity to repent.. Peter didn't take the gospel of repentance to Cornelius, because he was already obeying God according to the knowledge he had, therefore he received an increase of the Spirit. Likewise did Lydia....
Nicodemus was of couse a Jew, and Jews (Hebrews) see their place as special to God, which is not wrong. But they were still natural man, still had to bring sacrifices for personal sin, and have the sins of them all atoned for once a year, on the Day of Atonement. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that his birth lineage as a Jew (born of water) was not going to bring him into the Kingdom of God. He would need to be born from above, born spiritually, born "again."
I don't believe that calvinism is correct however, I also don't think you have convinced me that man doesn't have a sin nature. If men are not sinners then why do we need God's salvation? We could just start "living righteously" and be ok. We need Jesus's sacrifice to cleanse us from sin and the work of the Holy Spirit to guide us to stay away from sin because we tend to be drawn to sinful things. As James says, we are carried away by our own lust. We cannot overcome this without the Holy Spirit. Gen. 6:5. 8:21. Psalm 53:1‐3. Rom. 8:9.
The 5 points (tulip) came in response to the remonstrants. If you would only read the Canons of Dort from where the points you are refuting came from your arguments would be debunked. Everything in this video has already been debunked in the 1600s. If you want to argue against something at least do your research first.
Seek God to give understanding of His Word. It is dangerous to say (or insinuate) Scripture says what it does not say. You should take heed of who you are believing/listening to/regurgitating from. The only Truth is from God and He says in His Word “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” James 1:5
You accused the Calvinist of cherry picking verses and then you give five verses to prove your point. I think you want to have an actual conversation, this isn't the way to do it.
I noticed this too. Ezekiel 28:15 is not only cherry picked, but seems to be completely removed from its context. The verse is talking about Satan, the anointed cherub that covereth, not man. This whole section is about who satan was, what he did and how he fell.
Alan Crane I disagree that the Bible is a work of systematic theology. We already know Job was righteous and did good. So did Abraham. And John The Baptist. And Moses. And many others. Ecclesiastes is wisdom literature. A poetic line in a piece of wisdom literature does not mean it applies to all of reality. The point of Ecclesiastes is not that humans are totally depraved. The Bible was not written to create a system of linear beliefs, it was written to tell the story of God’s saving work of all his human children.
Alan Crane yes indeed all have sinned. To me, this does not mean we aren’t capable of doing and being good. We are capable of choosing to follow Christ. Paul is saying we’re under the effect of sin, not that sin renders us incapable of choosing good.
Alan Crane here Paul is quoting the Psalms. The Psalms are poems/songs. They’re not a dictionary of theological concepts. He’s quoting the psalms because he’s explaining to us how Jesus fulfills the Old Testament. The reader hearing the psalm is supposed to make the connection and realize that Jesus is indeed fulfilling the Old Testament.
Alan Crane you’re absolutely right. No one is without sin. That does not mean humans aren’t capable of choosing to do right, choosing to follow God. We’re not totally depraved. We’re fallen, and need saving, but we aren’t totally depraved and incapable of choosing good. If we weren’t capable of that, Abraham could not have chosen to believe God, then have it counted to him as righteousness. The Bible is not a proof text to pick apart to prove philosophical tenets, it’s multiple stories grouped into one over arching story of God’s love and salvation.
“Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.” Ecclesiastes 7:20 . And brother did you sin today? Can you honestly say that you loved the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength? Do you love Jesus perfectly? If you say yes you’re a liar. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” 1 John 1:8
This is all completely false. Total depravity is one of the most well taught doctrines in scripture. Of the 5 verses you used, none of them taught original perfection. One of the verses you used was talking of satan. Read romans 3 and every chapter it references in the OT and total depravity is undeniable.
actually its man that chooses for himself to be totally depraved, or as Paul said they were of a reprobate mind....Solomon said man was made upright (innocent, having a moral conscience), but by his own merit he seeks out evil devices...John 1-9 says Jesus was the light that lights EVERY MAN that comes into the world. Meaning HE endowed them with the light of conscience, not sin.....or did it say that Jesus is the darkness that darkens every man that cometh into the world? I say nay, may God forbid..
Isaiah 7:16 “For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” This is supposed to be about Jesus. We can get a good idea when the age of accountability starts if we can find out the date this prophecy happened.
Colin, I came across your video when doing my daily "get out of the house walk" during C19, so I had time to listen uninterrupted and reflect on what you said. I will say, I appreciate your intro and approach, that said, based on your challenge, this is why I am here. So as to is man radically depraved. You say we must see it in Gen 3. This is false, because we must remember, there are no verses in the Bible, and Context deals with the Book, not a sentence.. So BEFORE the garden God’s gave a few commands, and they broke that command in eating th fruit. Before that, no sin is recorded, and we know Adam communed with God daily. We do get the curse in Gen 3, yet it is there as the Trinity speaks: 22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” So at this point, Adam & Eve KNOW evil, this is evidenced in Gen 4 we see that depravity BEFORE the law was given: 3So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. 4Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; 5but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. 6Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7“If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” 8Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. So in this short section we see, pride, anger, jealousy, covetousness, and murder. If you reek reading just very soon after, what is God’s work? He slays millions or billions of humans and animals by saying this:”5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Yet Noah. SO only Noah was able to fight his will and find God. No, God chose Noah before Creation for His purpose and Will in Salvation of mankind. (Will expound on this later) Now you speak of babies...yes, they are human at conception, but until they are born, they are not liable. Now, what does God do with babies when they die? God knows, and He alone does. But, if that was the case, and only kids over say 12 were liable for their choces, why did God kill them too? Something to thinks about. I agree Depravity was seen in the OT, as David declared by the Holy Spirit:: 3For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. 4Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge. 5Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. 6Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place. Psa 51 However, lets go back to where we were, but in Gen 8: 20Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; Thus it is. Now, I could show EVERY example in the OT here, but that would take weeeks; however, I think we can sum it up as an Apostle did in the Words of Our LORD: 63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 64“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” John 6 We know this as well because Paul also speaks of it:: 14What then shall we say? Is there injustice with God? Never may it be! 15For He says to Moses: “I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion.”e 16So then, it is not of the willing, nor of the running, but of God showing mercy. Rom 9 But is it just Paul? Nope, OT & NT alike show this inescapable fact: John 1: 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. So we see John start his Gospel here, in 6 he confirms that fact again by the LORD’s word. But just to correct this false narrative that man is good and can choose: John 3: 1Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; 2this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” This is a supernatural work by God alone (John 1) that regeneration must come first., and out LORD continues: 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” So it is not the person, but God that makes it possible. So like it or not we ALL believe in Limited atonement. It is either effectual or scope. Biblically, it is scope, for those predestined before creation. Now this is where the verse guys forget the book continues. 16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. BAM! DONE! Free-will bruh! DONE! NOT SO FAST! 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.” So you must be regenerate or none of salvation is possible. Wait, I know what you are thinking..WHOSOEVER. But who is that? Joh 10 speaks to this: 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.” “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30“I and the Father are one.”
(cont 1)So again, the flesh (ALL HUMANS) are born in sin, with sin, and are slaves to sin. Only by regeneration can this be undone by the will of God alone. God does not make man hate Him, they just are, which is why when you read his Magnim Opus it explains this in the entire book, but specifically here: 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “For this very purpose I have raised you up, so that I might show My power in you, and that My name should be declared in all the earth.”f 18So then, He shows mercy to whom He wants, and He hardens whom He wants. The Calling of the Gentiles 19Then you will say to me, “Why then does He still find fault? For who is resisting His purpose?” 20But rather, O man, who are you, answering against God? Shall the thing formed say to the One having formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”g 21Or does the potter not have authority over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel unto honor, but one unto dishonor? 22And what if God, desiring to show the wrath and to make known His power, bore with much patience the vessels of wrath, having been fitted for destruction, 23that He might also make known the riches of His glory upon the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He has called not only out from the Jews, but also out from the Gentiles? 25As He also says in Hosea: “I will call that which is not My people, My people; and her not having been loved, having been loved,”h 26and, “It will happen that in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”i 27And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved. 28For the Lord will perform the sentence He is concluding and bringing swiftly upon the earth.”j 29And, as Isaiah foretold: “If the Lord of Hosts had not left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, and we would have been made like Gomorrah.”k
(cont2)To your 2nd point: Transgression of the LAW. As shown in part 1, Cain broke the Law before the Law. And you cannot be anachronistic in your applying Scripture. I dealt with the Baby in part 1, but to recap, Scripture is clear: Psal 51: 3For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. 4Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge. 5Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. So I think we have your point rebuked. _________________________________ Point 3: Rom 9:11 Deu 1:39 Eze 28:15 Ecc 7:29 Rom 5:19 This is the problem with taking a verse out of context, which respectfully you did do. You cannot form doctrine like this. I’ll try to get to them all. Rom 9- First, Romans 1-4 places guilt on ALL the human race, jew & Gentiles, all under the law. That fact is inescapable. However, a read on 9 in its context and entirety proves beyond any doubt, God chose before Creation He will have mercy on whom He alone chooses and it does not make hum unjust or unfair; thus, why it is called mercy. This was covered in Isaiah as well in great detail. In citing v11, you just defeated your whole premise, “in order that GOD”s ELECTION might stand” THAT is the crux of reformed theology, and you just proverbially decapitated yourself. Deu 1: you cited a verse, and used modern context, not Hebrew. Some of the earlier commentaries on Hebrew culture word it thus: here is nothing the king does not know - his knowledge is universal. Hence to know good and evil came to mean to be intelligent, and not to know good and evil to be unintelligent, as is a babe. The children here referred to knew nothing, and consequently could not be held as morally responsible; comp. So your anachronistic interpretation is flawed sir.
(cont3)Eze 28:if you would have used context Colin, this was about Adam & Eve, not mankind. 13“You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14“You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 15“You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you. So again, I respectfully declare your point refuted. Ecc7: Again, points back to Adam & Eve, not mankind. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright,.... The first man Adam, as the Targum and Jarchi interpret it; and not Adam only, but Eve also with him; for these were both made by the Lord, and on the same day, and in the same image, and had the same common name of Adam given them, Genesis 1:27; And they were both made "upright"; which is to be understood, not of the erectness of their bodies, but of the disposition of their minds; they were "right and innocent before him,'' So again, your point refuted sir. Rom 5: Did you miss the verbiage there? MADE. Made by whom? God. Not by the will or choice of man. I think in Sec 1, you have enough Scripture to realize this is futile. But to be fair, let’s dive in. Rom 5 is beautiful to these Reformed, because it proved God will and chooses alone. Rom 5 speaks that Christ died for sinners.(6) Which Sinners? ALL? NOPE! Jesus said in His own words, He died for the sheep, given to Him by The Father. There is no whisper of choice of man, because you must be regenerate, and only those God chose before Creation are such to be saved. That is why there is a definitive number. (8)Gid displyed His love toward us. Who is the US? Those justified by Jesus’ blood (9) and so thus the predestined sheep. Verse 10 again nullified your opinion of choice and not depraved, because it answers your objection: “ 10For if while we were enemies ..” Thus everyone not regenerate is an enemy of God as stated elsewhere in Scripture. Keep reading the rest of Romans and it is clear, God has mercy on whom He wills.
Final POINT : Eze: 18. You use the same logic the Muslim does for works righteousness. Lets go to the book: The chapter in this case speaks to specific sins that a father commits, but the son does not do. What you are talking about however is imputed sin, or Original sim, and since every person dies, because all sin, than anyone who dies is a sinner. The ONLY time this is not true is when One laid down His own life for the Elect. Yet again, out of context and out of line. Gen told us all man is evil from youth. Psalm 51 says we are sinful in the womb and from birth. Rom and Eph and Col and Cor tells us all mankind is doomed and no one is righteous. Only those called, drawn, and regenerated by the Holy Spirit who go from being born slaves to sin, to slaves to God of righteousness. 6:For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life (Romans 6:20-22). Colossians 3:12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
Hi rmirobi I hope you don't mind me adding to your post but I find Mathew 11:27 is the irrefutably definition from JESUS as to who the whomsoever are, Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him". The whomsoever are the ones who the Son reveals the FATHER to. Salvation is by revelation and not by flesh and blood, Matthew 16:16-18 (AKJV) 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it
What I have found is that many people use rightly dividing to prop up their doctrines from scriptures that do not play nice with their doctrines. God does not like it when we add to, diminish aught from, or take away from His word and has said so repeatedly. (Deu 4:2, Deu 12:32, Deu 17:11, Ezr 6:11, Psa 56:5, Psa 119:126, Pro 30:6, Jer 23:36, Jer 26:2, Mat 15:1-9, Mar 7:1-13, Rom 1:25 2, Co 2:17, 2Co 4:2, 2Pe 1:20, 2Pe 1:21, 2Pe 3:16, Rev 22:18-19) So why on earth would you think He would give you a license to add to or take away from His Word through "rightly dividing" which is used by most of the church world to explain away, or interpret away the scriptures that stand against their doctrine they have received from their church? 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Do you really believe after God said do not add to my word, do not take away from my word, that He is going to give you a license to do exactly that, rightly dividing to save your doctrine from other scriptures that do not play nice with your doctrine? 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works The Word of God is given by inspiration of God, if God had wanted His Word to read as you have rightly divided it, then He would have caused it to be inspired as you have rightly divided it so that it says plainly what you are trying so desperately to make it say with your rightly dividing. Tell me something, when is God's word profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works Before or after it has been "rightly divided"? I contend that His Word meets 2Tim 3:16-17 before man "rightly divides" it, as once man has altered scripture using rightly dividing it is like the salt that has lost its savor. If you have to deny many scriptures to prop up your doctrine then your doctrine is wrong. Do shepherds lose sheep, well yes actually they do en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_sheep_predation North America According to the National Agricultural Statistics Service, 224,200 sheep were killed in the U.S. by predators in 2004, comprising approximately 37% of all bovine deaths for that year.[6] The sheep lost in that year represented a sum total of 18.3 million dollars for sheep producers.[6] Coyotes were responsible for 60.5% of all deaths, with the next largest being domestic dogs at 13.3%.[6] Other North American predators of sheep included cougars (5.7%), bobcats (4.9%), eagles (2.8%), bears (3.8%), and foxes (1.9%).[6] Wolves, ravens, vultures, and other animals together made up the remaining 7.1% of deaths.[6] Yes, shepherds lose sheep to predation, and this fact has been true as long as man has been keeping sheep. Here is another one of their sayings if it is eternal Life how can you lose it if it is eternal? First, the worldly answer if it is eternal life how can you die if it is eternal life, if you have eternal life right now, then by the same reasoning you cannot die because you have eternal life. The second answer is quite long so I will only give the references. 1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,) Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Eternal life is a promise, a Hope that we inherit in the world to come. Eternal Life: Mat 19:16, Mar 10:17, Mar 10:30, Luk 10:25, Luk 18:18, Joh 3:15, Joh 5:39, Joh 6:54, Joh 6:68, Joh 10:28, Joh 17:2, Acts 13:48, Rom 2:7, Rom 5:21, Rom 6:23, 1Tim 6:12, 1Tim 6:19, Titus 1:2, Titus 3:7, 1Jo 1:2, 1Jo 2:25, 1Jo 3:15, 1Jo 5:11,13,20, Jud 1:21 Life Eternal: Mat 25:46, Joh 4:36, Joh 12:25, Joh 17:3 Everlasting Life: Dan 12:2, Mat 19:29, Joh 3:16, Joh 3:36, Joh 4:14, Joh 5:24, Joh 6:27,40,47. Life Everlasting: Joh 12:50, Gal 6:8, 1Tim 1:16. Eternal Life 26 verses, Life Eternal 4 verses, Everlasting Life 9 verses, Life Everlasting 3 verses. the majority of those speak of eternal life as a hope a promise that we inherit in the world to come. so that the majority gives light to those that seem to say we have eternal life now. Anyone can toss out a few proof texts, well a few proof texts do not speak for the whole, you have to look at all of them to paint your picture not just a few proof texts the paint an incomplete picture.
My earthly dad never had to correct me for being good - but it is impossible for me to count the times my earthly dad had to correct me for being bad. Looking back I realize if my earthly dad had spared the rod, I don't know what would have happened to me. I give glory to Yah my Heavenly Father because He gave me the dad on this earth that He knew I needed. My dad's name was Virgil by the way means - Rod bearer, staff bearer. Yes, I am convinced Yah knew just who I needed for my earthly dad. I'm convinced and so grateful they both loved me. Jesus came for sinners (me) - not the righteous. Thank you Jesus! P.S. I did not come from a christian home so I do agree without a godly leader in the home the correction was hard with no understanding as to how to live. But miracles still happen today - I lived a ungodly life but the LORD starting drawing me 6 years ago and today I give Him all glory. No man - no church gets any credit - the LORD drew me and His word brought me to repentance on my living room floor - life changing - He's real and still saving. People don't need calvin - Yeshua saves!
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
I used to watch your channel while fighting to defend the existence of my god from the threatening heresy of reformed theology as well as try to make sense of the sinning husbands in our church that hugged one another and prayed for one another but continued to sin in secret only to confide in one other a little while later. It was like watching practicing alcoholics trying to help others become sober. Jesus didn’t heal our marriage. I did by giving my husband an ultimatum and also waking his eyes up to the fact that these are other father’s daughters he’s watching. Child locks on devices also had their place but the resistance was laughable at one point. The repair wasn’t over night. But I began to see the power in our choices and not the sky daddy I was praying to for years. Life is choice after choice after choice - each with their unique consequence. 30 years I tried to defend a god that would force us in a world and the bodies like the one we live in. For the first time in my life since age 7, the last 1.5 years since realizing no god is coming to my rescue and that I must take matters into my own hands to see any change in health or relationships, I’ve never seen the Bible and other holy scriptures and thoughts so clearly for what they are - man trying to cope with existence. Sure, there are strange phenomena like spontaneous healing or near death experiences, but so far each scenario has some sort of much more realistic explanation - either they are lying, the body is capable of healing itself profoundly as we have evolved to survive thus far, and your NDE experience is always surrounding the gods and deities of one’s culture and a feel good feeling your body gives off as you are dying. My purpose in life at this point is to finally care for myself like I never had for years trying to please constant eyes from up above and those that reminded me it is what we must do as Christians. I mitigate as much pain as possible by hard work through research and healthy choices and take care of myself and my family in the best ways no thanks to god’s revelation. Why would he keep these things so hidden anyway from the average person? Sounds pretty sadistic to me.
Poor guy trying to disprove something he doesn’t even understand. 2 Corinthians 4:4. I can only pray that your veil be lifted so you can see the light of the gospel.
Hm.. Instead of saying how poor of a guy he is, maybe refute what he said in the video with direct scriptures? You do want to save those who are lost right? Oh wait.. It shouldn't matter because you're elect right? Hey read closely: When you're standing before God do you think he's going to say "Well done, you've theologically understood my ways thanks to my beloved John Calvin." The issue is you're looking at scripture with a lens of Calvinism. You're not genuinely looking for truth. You're applying this theology to it. Calvinism is nothing but heresy. On the surface it sounds sane, but beyond that I come to see what Calvinism REALLY believes in. And it's absurdity when you try to justify it with scriptures that contradict it. Isn't it interesting many Calvinists have to go through almost hours upon hours of explaination for their theology rather than getting to the matter at hand and winning souls to Jesus? 🧐
With regards to children being born sinners I believe David mentions that "in sin I was conceived" and that all have fallen short of the glory of God.... but I think the big misunderstanding is that it's a sin NATURE, meaning that from birth no one left to themselves would seek out selflessness, or piety, or God. Whereas a Holy nature would be to do the will of God therefore a sin nature is inclined to make themselves the center of their universe not God. And inevitably the consummation of a sin nature is demonstrated in the act of sinning... which can only happen when a child has been given the opportunity.
The focus in psalm 51:5 isn't on David and his sin but his mother's sin. Do you think that in David's Psalm of repentance that all if a sudden he starts blaming God? David had just lost his infant child seemingly because of his adultress relationship( conceived in sin) . Just like the beginning of his lineage( Judah) was begin the same way. He's seeing the pattern is all. Also , sin nature isn't a thing. Romans 5 talks about how - Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned- meaning yes sin came in to the world( physical world ) due to Adams sin and so also death and death spread to all men BECAUSE ALL SINNED not because all inherited original sin from Adam or a sin. The term sin nature only appears in the NIV and that should tell you something
We aren’t judged according to our works. If that were the case we would all go to hell! This is the point of a savior. Our works are but filthy rags to the Lord!
I didn't hate God before he saved me. Sure I had my sins and I knew God did not approve of them. But I did not hate him. I loved Christmas and had a desire to help others. When he called me he gave me a choice. I accepted. Adam and Eve has a choice.
I think the biggest problem with Calvanism is that they get the foundation ALL wrong, what sin is at its foundation and how it works, then they ALSO get what the atonement is and what it DID wrong and it all just keeps getting farther from the truth, since it is a systematic theology everything built on top of it is wrong.
I think you're missing the point Colin. Without Christ and the Holy Spirit, we are depraved. A lack of knowledge alone destroys us. The question isn't do I commit sin or not? The question is do I love God perfectly the way Jesus did? I can see how your approach to ground zero is illogical in that way. But if you're a Christian, it is because you're saved from the kinda depravity described in Matthew 15:19. Because doesn't Jesus also teach that "those who are well don't need a physician but those who are sick do?" He was referring to himself as the physician and the sinner as the sick one. And don't you think that those who seemingly are born and grow up as the perfect man in Adam are the very ones who become arrogant and eventually sinful in their arrogance because of their denial of a need for Jesus.? Like 1John 1:10 says that if we deny that we have sinned, then we make God a liar and his word is not in us. And verse 8 tells us that we are deceiving ourselves if we say we have no sin. And as far as Genesis 3 goes; I've always believed that it doesn't matter if it says total depravity plainly or not. That's not the purpose of Genesis anyways. It's pupose is to proclaim the hope of the gospel in the beginning of creation. Just look at Gen 3:15. Hint: women don't have seed. They have eggs. But not seed. We believe it's a reference to an immaculate(or divine) conception. And he shall bruise you on the head and you shall bruise him on the heel? And read the first two amazing verses in Genesis and parallel the language with that which is spoken in John 1:1-5. Thats why I believe you're in error for trying to use Genesis to refute the doctrine of total depravity. Cause if we were not born hellians, then Jesus came and died and resurrected for nothing.
Correction, "Without Christ and The Holy Spirit we are lost in the state of depravity that has come upon our once innocent self as a result of living in satan's kingdom and falling prey to temptation." That's far more accurate than saying we are outright depraved without Christ and The Holy Spirit.
Well if that were true than God would be a liar because he called Job a perfect and upright man and this was long before Christ, I think your the one missing the point Jameson.
@@Kevin-pe1kj but God never said that Job was born without sin or that he fulfilled prophecy or the whole law perfectly. Job was an upright man blameless in all his ways because he was looking forward to the promise of God through faith.
Romans 5:8-10 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Romans 3:22 - Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 1:17 - For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 1 Corinthians 1:30 - But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: Romans 4:3 - For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Jeremiah 23:6 - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - “....that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God.” Have you ever considered that MIGHT part? Ever notice that Jesus said “I am come that they MIGHT have life.” (John 10:10) also? The Lord Jesus came indeed, He laid down His life, and He’s coming again as He says. He’s already finished His work in extending to us the free will choice of believing He came to this earth, shed His blood as the perfect, spotless Lamb to atone for sins past (no more animal sacrifices needed) for once and for all, that by godly sorrow unto repentance, we MIGHT turn to Him for forgiveness, receive His grace to go and sin no more, through the Holy Spirit walk obediently unto righteousness. The MIGHT part is up to us! “God is long suffering, not willing that any should perish, but that all SHOULD come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) why? If He’s already got His “elect” chosen as the enemy behind the heresy of Calvinism would have you believe. All of the SHOULDs, MIGHTs, and IFs of Scripture shouldn’t be glossed over. Those mean it’s our choice to make.
Man you are pretty much denying Paul’s exegesis in Romans 3 in which he quoted that no one does good before God from the psalms and then concludes that “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:20 in Romans 2 the knowledge of the law is the awareness of the law, not a desire to follow the law or the promise that God gave to his people to “put the law in their hearts” in Ezekiel is meaningless. In the end of the day, you have to deny that “all” means everyone, the very argument that arminians Hinge on against Calvinism, if you think that the “all” doesn’t include infants at conception, if you’re pro life of course.
David’s first son with Bathsheba died and David said I will go to him but he will never come to me. Clearly states the knowledge of babies going to the Lord, only when u don’t know the Lord you can get caught up with your thinking
@@codymattison8189 why is that, because the anti christ demi god fathers and man made traditions of sin and doctrines of demons from 1517 tell u thus. Or is it ur faith tradition? Or is it ur "bible" was was put together by the Calvinist committees commissioned by The masonic calvinst King James? Spouting recycled material from the 1500s from men, WHEN sacred Scripture ALONE (and the Words of Jesus Christ the King destroys these heretics) is not becoming. U are mistaken on so much. We pray for u.
@@codymattison8189 well see u have a King VIII problem then don't u, who killed about 80,000 people. And the KJV is made up of: the great bible, the geneva bible, the bishops bible, the Douay Rheims bible and the textus Receptus aka Erasmus the Priest who dedicated the 3rd edition to the Pope and was in full communication with the Catholic Church. Didn't they teach u that. Didn't they teach u the Church Of England, is the mother of harolets aka a great red dragon, aka queen Elizabeth's coat of arms had a dragon and she butchered thousands of people, as did John Know, as did John Calvin as did Martin Luther? U all are mad.
Without God’s divine election through the righteousness of Christ Jesus, no one would be saved. Therefore, as he said to Nicodemus, no one will see God unless he is born from above.
Hmmm...very interesting. What I hear you saying is: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." Adam and Eve were created without sin, yet Eve was fooled by Satan, while Adam wasn't fooled; he heeded his wife instead of God even though he was warned what would happen if he disobeyed. God told Cain not to be angry; he was told by God to do what was right, and even warned him that sin was crouching at the door, and it's desire was for him, but that he must master it! Cain didn't. Why would God tell Adam and Cain to do something he knew they could not have done - obey God and rule over sin? So far, your logic and exegesis follows Scripture❣
Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” Romans 5:12 KJV Sin entered into the WORLD not man. Sin is all around every man in this world because the ruler of this world is satan but it is always a choice for man to either choose to do sin or choose to do righteousness. Man has always had the ability and will always have the ability to choose. “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.” Genesis 4:7 “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.” James 4:8 Calvinism is a damnable heresy
Ezekiel 28:15 "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you." - you mention this at timeline 14:19, but this actually refers to the creation of Lucifer! Not a suitable example of your exposures of Calvinism in the human context. I have no problem denying Calvinism, as it is obviously a pernicious and sectarian belief system. Its influence on many Christian minds is appalling. You having a conscience is an example of having something good in you. If you read John 1:9, these verses refer to Christ as being the Light "which lightens everyone that comes into the world" - that doesn't sound like total depravity either!
Are some people born children of Satan and some children of God? Like some are of cain and some are of Abel? Have you ever read that verse where eve gives birth to Seth and says I have gained another seed from THE LORD in the place of Abel because cain slew him? What does that mean? Why didn't she just say I have cain?
One of the earliest errors you are making is sidestepping progressive Revelation and telling us what needs to be in Genesis 3? Jews make the same argument that you are making about original sin. Where is word Christ in the Old Testament, does it need to be there for Christ to be true or relevant?
I gotta say, this didn't start well, and the start set a theme that played out through the whole video. 0:15 "The TULIP of Calvinism is a doctrine that represents the five main points of Calvinism." No, TULIP is a summary of the Canons of Dort, which was a response to five main points of disagreement between the followers of Arminius (the Remonstrants), and Reformed theology. Calvinists confess so much more than just the doctrines of grace. One might say it is at best 1/3 of Calvinism, as Dort makes up only one of the three forms of unity confessed by many Reformed churches. 0:50 - The only question you need to ask: According to Washer - "Is man radically depraved?" According to you - "Is man _born_ radically depraved?" Why change Washer's question? 3:00 - While I think CARM's summary of total depravity is fine as far as it goes, I'd suggest building a refutation off of Dort as it provides a much fuller explanation of what is being asserted as well as what is being denied. 3:48 - _"I will also add to this definition..."_ Wait, this is the second time you are adding your own concerns to the opponent's words. No matter how soundly you make your case, you are opening yourself up to accusations of strawmen argumentation if you don't represent the opponent as they represent themselves and add stuff they didn't say. _"Where in Gen 3 was God's curse of Total Depravity upon every human being"_ Where in the definition of Total Depravity you gave was Total Depravity claimed to be God's curse? This question doesn't advance your case, and it seems to be importing an assumption about Total Depravity that wasn't in the definition you provided. You spend so much time ridiculing the idea that total depravity is God's curse, and yet that is a complete strawman based on the very definition of total depravity you provided. It would be far better if you first showed a definition from a calvinist source that claims total depravity is God's curse if that is what you wanted to refute. _"How does a baby at the moment of conception commit sin?"_ This question confuses our sin nature with our sin. Total Depravity is a claim about the nature of the human, not a claim that a fetus practices sin. Your objection here is not even really about total depravity, but original sin, but even then original sin is about federal headship in Adam or in Christ as Rom 5 talks about, and not the practice of sin. It would be good for you to either focus on Total Depravity or also give a definition for Original Sin before arguing against it. You also go on to confuse our personal iniquity with total depravity, but again, those aren't the same concepts. Our depravity will ensure that we rack up our own iniquity, and we won't be punished for our father's sins. That's because of total depravity, not a disproof of it.
I CANNOT IMAGINE A MORE READY INSTRUMENT IN THE HANDS OF SATAN FOR THE RUIN OF SOULS THAN A MINISTER WHO TELLS SINNERS IT IS NOT THEIR DUTY TO REPENT OF THEIR SINS OR TO BELIEVE IN CHRIST,AND WHO HAS THE ARROGANCE TO CALL HIMSELF A GOSPEL MINISTER,WHILE HE TEACHES THAT GOD HATES SOME MAN INFINITLY AND UNCHANGEABLY FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE HE CHOOSES TO DO SO. CALVINISM IS FROM THE PIT OF HELL.
@@peralopenaify right and on top of THAT calvanism turns God into a movie director who will inevitably punish his actors for the story and roles he has given them to play out, on Calvanism there IS no justice in God because without the possibility that man is capable of turning to God to save him there is no real blame or responsibility for actions on his part, it's ALL God's doing and it's not JUST God letting man go after the desires of his own heart as it is on traditionalism, it's God choosing to punish man for the script HE has written FOR him, without giving him (man) ANY path to salvation, if Jesus came for only a select few that is not an open path to salvation, it is not God reaching out his hand to us as he clearly says he does in the Bible. Christ said "narrow is the path that leads to salvation and wide is the way to destruction", if Calvanism is true this was a false analogy, salvation is not reached by a path, it's reached by private invitation, it would be more accurate to say small is the private plane that will fly those chose to salvation and the father will hand out tickets to those he chooses, those without tickets will be destroyed and there is nothing they can freely do to recieve a ticket, you either get one or you don't, doesn't matter WHAT you do or WANT to do, the choice has already been made. It makes ALL the commandments and all the exhortation to repent meaningless, it makes God a mocker and it makes ALL those who found favor in God's eyes, all those whom he sent his spirit to in the old Testament lies! I feel like Calvanism takes a handful of verses from the new Testament and then interprets the ENTIRE bible through them, instead of the new Testament being built atop the old Testament the new Testament all of a sudden becomes the foundation and the thousands of verses where God tells us to choose him, to turn from our sins so we will not be destroyed are meaningless or sadistic, either way Calvanism robs God of his Justice AND his love.
What about Roman's 7? Paul calls himself a "Wretched" man because with his mind serves God's law, but with his flesh serves the law of sin. This was after Paul's conversion. If I'm correctly applying the theology in the video, Paul should be sinless as he was at this point, saved, but he says he still sins and is even in bondage to it.
he was brought forth via an iniquitous act, not in sin...The apostle James tells us HOW sin is birthed. He said when lust is conceived in the heart it gives BIRTH TO SIN......you understand nothing about Psalm 51-5 other that what you been told by the false pundits of religion...They mix snippets of scripture with worldly wisdom and cliches' because the people love it so. Even to the point that they heap false prophets upon themselves, and volunteer to me merchandised by them without mercy.. they love to use David in Psalm 51 as an excuse for continued sin, thus making Psalm 51 a Psalm of EXCUSE rather than a Psalm of bitter REPENTANCE. The mother that David was speaking of was Tamar, who was the mother of the clan known as the Jews. In Gen. we see that it was sinful copulation that gave birth to the twins. Because of this act, there was a 10 generational curse placed upon the tribe of Judah, whereas they could not enter into the congregational activities for 10 generations, this curse is found in the book of Deut. God was forced to pick a king from another tribe when the people petitioned Samuel for a king. So God chose a man from the tribe of Benjamin, named Saul............ David was from the tribe of Judah, and the 10th generation, the number 33 seed appointment from Adam. in Luke 3..This is why David said "in sin did my mother conceive me". It doesn't say David himself was born in sin..Simple reading comprehension says otherwise. The Mother of the tribe of Judah was Tamar, and their tribe began with a sinful act that David was later to be born out of......................The only king in the future was only supposed to be the Messiah, who was to come from the tribe of Judah according to the blessings given in Gen. 49 by Jacob. And Joseph received the birthright blessing..T hese two people are focused on in Gen. 37,38, because they received the greatest blessing of the 12 sons of Jacob. God overruled that in Samuel and gave the Hebrews what they wanted, that being an earthly king from the tribe of Benjamin. God said Saul was given a new heart, and the kingship would remain in his family generation until the Messiah should come. Then God regretted that He made Saul king, thus He changed His mind (open theism), and chose another which was from the tribe of Judah, "ie" king David... Also, if a man is born in sin there is nothing he can do about it. He can just stand on judgement day and tell God "you were the one that made me this way". Also God would need to go back and apologize to Cain, because he was born that way, and there was nothing he could do about it..However, the text doesn't read that way. It says that Cain could rule over that man of sin that was seeking to rise up within his members in Gen 4-7. God would not have said this to Cain if he was born depraved. Infact God could not rightfully judge anyone, because the accused would say "I was born depraved". And if this depravity nonsense were actually true, then the whole world would be saved by default because God is no respecter of persons.. Its all about basic reading comprehension skills> these are very simple stories that a child could understand such as Gen 4-7..... Lastly the prophet Ezekiel dedicated a whole chapter to the mythical born in sin proverb that was spreading upon the land. The Lord said you shall no longer speak this proverb, and that the sins of the father is not passed onto the son, but rather each is responsible for his own conduct, and the soul that SINNETH he shall die....one must use the whole council of God, not just snippets of scripture taken out of context.......Willie & Bonnie
Seek God to give understanding of His Word. It is dangerous to say (or insinuate) Scripture says what it does not say. You should take heed of who you are believing/listening to/regurgitating from. The only Truth is from God and He says in His Word “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” James 1:5
I regurgitate scripture. Allow the Bible to speak for itself. Psalm 51:5 is so clear, as are many other scriptures I've also shared, which indeed prove the doctrine of original sin...if not the doctrine of total depravity. I'm not entirely sure of that 2nd one--BUT I know the Bible is clear in that there are many numerous "witnesses" in scripture which prove original sin to be a true and sound doctrine. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [Gen 6:5]
That’s why Jesus came to save the World of it’s sin. John 3:16 “For God so loved the World that she gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.”
@@WatchPrayAlways the heart was contaminated by the attractiveness of sin and by the habituel that were rooted in the will, sin was NORMALIZED, human nature could choose not to sin, OTHERWISE GOD WILL NOT SEND A PURIFIER DELUGE FOR EXTERMINED THE GENERATION OF NOE. Think about it my friend, original sin is a dangerous heresy that removes responsibility from man
I have always heard and believed that children are innocent until they reach the age of accountability, that is to say they have reached their age when they know right from wrong, like they have learned that lying is wrong. also the age of accountability is not a set in stone specific age and is reached at various ages, and for some they never reach the age of accountability. some children mature quickly while others struggle to mature, Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. Mat 19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. Mar 10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. Mar 10:16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! What is going to happen that it would be said if you are on the top of your house not to come down? if you stay up there without coming down, if much time is gonna pass, unless the catching away takes place staying on the top of your house and not coming down you would starve to death, same as for those in the field and not coming back to there home. I am strongly leading that doing so means that the rapture is close it is at the doors, and if this is the case then the next verse is trouble to the women and their babies in the womb and suckling children under the age of accountability are going with Jesus when He comes. The Lord showed me something, they say the rapture is secret, I do not believe that but the pre-tribbers say that, there is a way a proof that the rapture has or has not happened, when Jesus comes He will take the under the age of accountability children with Him, those in the womb and small children, that is why there is a woe pronounced to those that are with child and give suck in those days, if they are not saved, their children will go without them. Many mothers and expecting mothers will be separated from their children.
TOTAL DEPRAVITY Due to sin all of mankind is completely sinful, or depraved. Every part of fallen man is corrupted by sin. He is a creature that incapable of obeying the law of God. We see in Romans 3:10 ''“None is righteous, no, not one'' UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION Also known as “sovereign election,” this is the teaching that God’s rescuing of sinners is entirely due to His own will and good pleasure Ephesians 1:5 '' he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,'' LIMITED ATONEMENT Atonement refers to the forgiveness of our sins by means of Jesus’ sinless life and sacrificial death. Christ atoned, or paid for, our sins on the cross 1 Peter 3:18.''For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,'' IRRESISTIBLE GRACE No one can be saved unless they are first drawn by God (John 6:44). Irresistible Grace does not teach that God’s calling cannot be resisted for a period of time, but that this resistance will ultimately be overcome. For this reason, a better term may be Effectual Grace, signaling that God’s intentions will have their intended effect on a person’s life. We cannot thwart the will of God to save us. In short, this is the belief that all who are called by God to believe in Jesus will be saved. In John 6:37 Christ states, “All that the Father gives me will come to me,” and in John 6:39, “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.” God’s sovereign election is not contingent on our response; those who are called by Him will ultimately obtain justification and glorification (Romans 8:28-30). PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS If you have been justified before God you cannot lose your salvation. Once a person is truly saved, this salvation is eternally secure. In speaking about his sheep, Jesus taught that “no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29). Rather than having to hold on to our salvation, the Bible teaches that when a person believes in Christ, they immediately obtain an eternal life (John 5:24; 6:47) that cannot be lost (John 10:27-28; Romans 8:31-39). Those who do appear to permanently fall away from the faith were never true believers (1 John 2:19). I don't understand how I can refute this truth ,well supported by scripture.
I think you should go after all of what the TULIP stands for. On limited atonement just one scripture blows it up. 1 John 2:2 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The sins of the whole world. You can't get any clearer than that. Calvinist like to play word games and mind games.
@Brantley McDonald Hebrews 4:1,2 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. There is salvation available to ALL who will believe.
Brantley McDonald okay so since God chooses that means we really don’t have a choice. So again that makes God a lier when he says that we have a choice. Revelation 2: 20,21. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. I guess she did not repent because God wouldn’t let her, or didn’t give her the ability. But that is not what scripture says. That is writing Calvinism into the text. And this is the huge mistake of Calvinism, it twist the scriptures that go against it instead of saying we don’t understand how but God chooses and we also have a responsibility to make a choice. No one on this earth will figure out this mystery. We could continually go back and forth. Do you not agree there are ample scriptures for both sides? I am not saying that there is no elect, or predestination, or calling. There most definitely is. There is also the responsibility for us to seek God and listen and obey. Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Isaiah 55:6,7. 6Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. SO IT IS A MYSTERY. His thoughts are far above ours.
Calvin was a baby when the Reformation happened, what exactly did he have to do with it? Nothing at all. I guess Luther wasn't radical enough for some. I really think it is a misnomer to identify Calvinism with "Reformed" theology although that exactly what it has become known as today. We had no Christianity at all in this world until the 16th century.
When your children or grandchildren are old enough to be taught about God, I challenge you and your spouse to tell them the terrible truths of Calvinism and then watch their spiritual progress over the ensuing years. Tell them what you believe about God: Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved. We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you. Take comfort knowing that we are not like God. We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did. So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God? So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you. Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases. My dear beloved Calvinist, will you teach that to your children or grandchildren? I suspect that your answer will be “never.” But why not? Why would you ever hide the wonderful “doctrines of grace,” the “Bible truth,” from your own children or grandchildren? TRUTH IN LOVE
This guy is a heretic. At the 17:30 minute he argues that you can simply choose to live a righteous life. So I guess we don’t need Jesus’ righteousness? Such a dangerous teaching!
Why do most "Christians" think they have to be a denomination? What denomination was/is Our Savior? Most if not every denominations roots lead to Rome. The top of the pyramid.
Numbers 14:18 King James Version (KJV) 18 The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION. Ecclesiastes 7:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Genesis 6:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Psalm 14:1-3 King James Version (KJV) and Psalm 53:1-3 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And as we all know the following verse: Romans 3:11-12 King James Version (KJV) 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ezekiel 28:12 KJV [12] Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God ; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
@@onerealityofficial Did not understand your response. I reheard your point in the video and respectfully its not about children, its about satan. Whom seems to be working behind this king.
thankyou for the clarification. This was an awesome video. the things of the bible can be confusing and your clarification makes these topics of the bible easier to understand.
I don't see what the controversy is. Never mind Genesis 3, never mind verses given to refute your premise, how many people in history never sinned? Exactly one. The natural man is at enmity with God, because he is a natural-born sinner. There are better and worse people, but the unregenerate man, even those who listen to their conscience and are really "decent" people, are separated from God by their sin, even if they only sin "a little." Nobody can see another's thoughts (thank God!), and who can say that, even if they are kind-hearted, don't lie or cheat, donate to charity, are faithful to their spouses, respect their parents, etc., they would be okay with having their thoughts played on a jumbotron? Zero. "Sinners" and saved alike. The natural man sees no reason to know God, or keep himself from sin as God has delineated it. Of course he is at enmity with God, if only through ignorance. Man is not good. Even his righteousness is as filthy rags before the Holy Most High God. It's not for no reason that it's such a big deal that Jesus never sinned, because no other human has ever done it. Sinning a little brings the same separation from God, and everyone has sinned. We're not basically good. I don't care about theological constructs, all i know is that every human ever born needs forgiveness, with the exception of the one who didn't, whose blood purchased it for all mankind. EDIT: I'm sorry, i didn't want to join a dog-pile, and it looks like you are taking a beating here in the comments. I posted my response before reading what others have said, you are probably a well-intended and thoughtful guy. I do think we should be careful about ascribing any inherent goodness to man( even Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? Only God is good." Keep the faith, brother.
We're u ever a sinner, it's as if u are trying to say that u have never sinned. confess to me that u have sinned this week or today. Go on confess a sin to me, a brother in Christ. I don't believe u have ever confessed a sin to God, have u said, Lord I gave sinned against u lord, not just my own flesh, but u Lord God. U are one step away from atheist. Those laws in Ezekiel u don't understand them they are there for the Jews or anyone under the law, a plumb line for those not under Christ. Every man is under sin, lust is sin. Those under the law are a law unto themselves, they all ways point to the law as there great teacher, how they abide by all the laws, Paul did live by the law No flesh will be cleared by the law. He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.
I want to you a verse I came across, but first let me say I am nether Calv or Arm, in fact, a plague on both their houses........I say when asked, I am in Christ. Here is the verse from Psal 58;3 "THE WICKED ARE ESTRANGED FROM THE WOMB: THEY GO ASTRAY AS SOON AS THEY BE BORN,SPEAKING LIES." I very much enjoy your vids and look forward to your comment on the verse......God Bless.
Total depravity of man is impossible based upon Jesus himself. For if Jesus is God and man than Total depravity is disproved. Due to the fact that if Man is totally depraved with no ability to control his nature than Jesus could not have been a man because God cannot be depraved. Yet if Jesus is not man than he could not die for atonement and fulfillment. If he is man and is not God and therefore can be depraved than Jesus would not be divine in anyway and therefore not the Son of God. Essentially man can not be totally depraved and Jesus be man and God it is logically impossible. Jesus must be man and thereby by Calvinist thinking he would have been completely depraved and unable to remain sinless and could not be God. Or he would have to be God absent of man and the atonement of man would be null and void. Jesus himself combined with the doctrine of the trinity disproves total depravity in itself.
Total Depravity can be found it Genesis 3:16 "To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, in pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.'" This shows the depravity of man. God tells Eve and Adam that because they chose sin they will continue to. Woman will desire and attempt to overcome God's structure of marriage and Man will usurp it as well when he rules over woman instead of leading. Man does not rule over woman. The LORD rules over all. You can see God himself state the total depravity of man in Genesis 8:21 "The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done." When it comes to a baby at birth. They cry out in displeasure. They are complaining. According to 1 Corinthians 10:31 "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." Does the baby's complaining in their first yell, which is the first thing they do after being born, bring glory to God? Because if it doesn't, then it is sin. Also, ignorance of the law is not freedom from it. Try saying that in court. "But Judge, I didn't know that was illegal..." the judge, "irrelevant, you broke the law and are therefore subject to just punishment for your crime."
dann hienn then why did God command the israelites to kill man woman and child? Because no one is inoccent. As I pointed out in Genesis 8:21 "The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.'" We are evil from our youth and don't forget where David said "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." - Psalm 51:5 David said that he was born in sin (brought forth in iniquity). No one is inoccent all have sinned against God and all need Jesus to be saved.
@@alexanderwiken6744 you tell me. If god creates new born babies as sinners then he is evil. Your god is evil. But then the trinity is thee god of thee antichrist Popes of Rome.
Gary Bentlage "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). "Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being." [Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2] www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Surely I was brought forth in iniquity, I was sinful when my mother conceived me. Psalm 51:5 King David loved God and served God and yet he was human and understood his own sin nature and and the importance of repentance. He asked God not to take his holy spirit away from him. So he understood about grieving the Holy Spirit and about asking for forgiveness. He was aware of his sin nature. In contrast Saul also anointed and chosen by God had free will to refuse God and chose to do his own thing despite the power and guidance of the Holy spirit to do otherwise. We have a choice to sin as believers. This choice did not exist when we were slaves in Satan’s kingdom and did not have the Holy Spirit. We did not have a choice when we belonged to Satan but now we have power and a choice. When we became free, Sin still remained a part of our lives. Sin is always present and we always have to choose. We are responsible for choosing. I have studied human nature and psychology for most of my life and have been a therapist for the last 10 years. I can say from experience of dealing with people that we are dark and evil human beings and that truly there is nothing good in us unless God put’s it there. I have never seen a good person in my whole life and I have traveled to many parts of the world and have met so many different people but I have never met anyone good, whether child or adult that was inherently good. We are all selfish and capable of cruelty and immoral things every last one of us. I inspect minds and hearts for a living, no matter how someone cleans themselves up on the outside they and I always discover some evil motive or agenda within their hearts. As a Christian therapist I train people to fight their natural inclinations and to resist the evil within and without. Resist and wait for the power of God to deliver. I train them to live lives pleasing to God. It is a constant battle with many victories but we are always fighting and struggling. I believe the pollution is inside of us and either we understand the word of God wrong and are missing some important element or truth but we are still on the frontlines of this spiritual war fighting against our nature our inherent inclination to do evil even as born again believers. Everyday I see the power of God manifested in the lives of my clients, I see life changing real victories people delivered from the bondage of many sins through reliance on God and the submission to his power but despite all of the victories over a multitude of sins, there is never an okay we are done moment. In myself and others there is always more to sin to resist, new sins to resist. What does this mean that we have to keep fighting the enemy within and without? Why is the war not over for the saints? I don't know. I do know that we need his blood to cover us, to clean us because there is always more Sin, we can never do this on our own, we need his mercy. We must be obedient to him and abide in his truth and then he is faithful to deliver all that are his. I don’t have all the answers and I am sure that I don’t know as much as all of you but of one thing I am 100% confident and have no doubts of: I have never seen God fail to deliver no matter how long it took, no matter how long we had to resist, he always sets HIS people free from sin. The problem is people get tired of fighting and give up, they don’t have faith, spiritual endurance or patience because they lack these things they decide that they are depraved. or maybe they lack the desire to know the truth about themselves. They decide that it is useless to struggle and to resist the enemy. instead if they chose to believe in the power of the living God if they waited they would see that God is faithful he ALWAYS sets his people free. Always.
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David’s Birth David’s father, Yishai, was the grandson of Boaz and Ruth. After several years of marriage to his wife, Nitzevet, and after having raised several virtuous children, Yishai began to entertain personal doubts about his ancestry. True, he was the leading Torah authority of his day, but his grandmother Ruth was a convert from the nation of Moab, as related in the book of Ruth. During Ruth’s lifetime, many individuals were doubtful about the legitimacy of her marriage to Boaz. The Torah specifically forbids an Israelite to marry a Moabite convert, since this is the nation that cruelly refused the Jewish people passage through their land, or food and drink to purchase, when they wandered in the desert after being freed from Egypt. Boaz and the sages understood this law-as per the classic interpretation transmitted in the “Oral Torah”-as forbidding intermarriage with converted male Moabites (who were the ones responsible for the cruel conduct), while exempting female Moabite converts. With his marriage to Ruth, Boaz hoped to clarify and publicize this Torah law, which was still unknown to the masses. Boaz died the night after his marriage with Ruth. Ruth had conceived and subsequently gave birth to their son Oved, the father of Yishai. Some rabble-rousers at the time claimed that Boaz’s death verified that his marriage to Ruth the Moabite had indeed been forbidden. Time would prove differently. Once Oved (so called because he was a true oved, servant of G‑d), and later Yishai and his offspring, were born, their righteous conduct and prestigious positions proved the legitimacy of their ancestry. It was impossible that men of such caliber could have descended from a forbidden union. However, later in his life, doubt gripped at Yishai’s heart, gnawing away at the very foundation of his existence. Being the sincere individual that he was, his integrity compelled him to action. If Yishai’s status was questionable, he was not permitted to remain married to his wife, a veritable Israelite. Disregarding the personal sacrifice, Yishai decided the only solution would be to separate from her, no longer engaging in marital relations. Yishai’s children were aware of this separation. After a number of years had passed, Yishai longed for a child whose ancestry would be unquestionable. His plan was to engage in relations with his Canaanite maidservant. He said to her: “I will be freeing you conditionally. If my status as a Jew is legitimate, then you are freed as a proper Jewish convert to marry me. If, however, my status is blemished and I have the legal status of a Moabite convert forbidden to marry an Israelite, I am not giving you your freedom; but as a shifchah k’naanit, a Canaanite maidservant, you may marry a Moabite convert.” The maidservant was aware of the anguish of her mistress, Nitzevet. She understood her pain in being separated from her husband for so many years. She knew, as well, of Nitzevet’s longing for more children. The empathetic maidservant secretly approached Nitzevet and informed her of Yishai’s plan, suggesting a bold counterplan. “Let us learn from your ancestresses and replicate their actions. Switch places with me tonight, just as Leah did with Rachel,” she advised. With a prayer on her lips that her plan succeed, Nitzevet took the place of her maidservant. That night, Nitzevet conceived. Yishai remained unaware of the switch. After three months, Nitzevet’s pregnancy became obvious. Incensed, her sons wished to kill their apparently adulterous mother and the “illegitimate” fetus that she carried. Nitzevet, for her part, would not embarrass her husband by revealing the truth of what had occurred. Like her ancestress Tamar, who was prepared to be burned alive rather than embarrass Judah,5 Nitzevet chose a vow of silence. And like Tamar, Nitzevet would be rewarded for her silence with a child of greatness who would be the forebear of Moshiach. Unaware of the truth behind his wife’s pregnancy, but having compassion on her, Yishai ordered his sons not to touch her. “Do not kill her! Instead, let the child that will be born be treated as a lowly and despised servant. In this way everyone will realize that his status is questionable and, as an illegitimate child, he will not marry an Israelite.” From the time of his birth onwards, then, Nitzevet’s son was treated by his brothers as an abominable outcast.6 Noting the conduct of his brothers, the rest of the community assumed that this youth was a treacherous sinner full of unspeakable guilt. On the infrequent occasions that Nitzevet’s son would return from the pastures to his home in Beit Lechem (Bethlehem), he was shunned by the townspeople. If something was lost or stolen, he was accused as the natural culprit, and ordered, in the words of the psalm, to “repay what I have not stolen.” Eventually, the entire lineage of Yishai was questioned, as well as the basis of the original law of the Moabite convert. People claimed that all the positive qualities of Boaz became manifest in Yishai and his illustrious seven sons, while all the negative character traits from Ruth the Moabite clung to this despicable youngest son. PSALM 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
The Renewed Mind, Read this article about King David's mother; www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/280331/jewish/Nitzevet-Mother-of-David.htm
If Total Depravity were true, then how could the Council of Carthage of 397 AD be competent to decide upon what the Books of the New Testament Canon should be? The Calvinist would reply that only the "illumined" would be capable of such. Then I ask why the "illumined" Theodor Beza, editor of the Geneva Bible edited out Revelation 22:19 , although there are some updated versions of said "bible" where this verse is quietly reinstated. Revelation 22:19 stated that there are eternal consequences to the deletion of Scriptural passages, a willful act that can damn the Elect.
Colin, would you consider yourself an open theist? I'm presently reading God of the Possible by Greg Boyd - it's confirmed my position even though prior I had never heard of the term.
In calvinism, God is the Creator of sin and original cause of sin, and therefore the true Father of evil.. because He decreed all things including sin and even Lucifer's rebellion. Sometimes worldly people have more common sense than some Christians. Calvinism is HERESY.
The first argument against total depravity assumes that total depravity came as a result of God's curse... Adam and Eve's shame and awareness of nakedness came prior to the curse, they wanted to hide from God prior to any curse which shows that depravity was prior to the curse
So, totally depraved eh? Hmm, well God has a confvo with Adam after he sinned. Also, they were ashamed. Not depraved God haters You have to fabricate details Able, How is he even able to sacrifice/worship God. Even the Israelites had a "free will offering" for Pete's sake
Well to understand what the doctrine of total depravity is teaching, you gotta understand it doesn't teach that one is utterly depraved (one being as evil as they can be). It teaches that sin effects every part of that person... the body, the will, the affections. And the question I would ask about Adam and Eve is how is what they did evil? It seems awfully harsh for God to say that the day they eat of some forbidden fruit that they would die. Could it be that there is something else about their disobedience that makes their rebellion against God's command more evil than what it appears to be on the surface. When Satan tempted them with the opportunity to "be like God" was he tempting them with something good or something evil? And if they were actually tempted doesn't that suggest that it was something that they desired? After all someone isn't tempted with things that they don't have any desire for right?
@@JimmyMason33 Thing is, total depravity is not a thing in this universe. There is sin, lawlessness, iniquity, and wickedness, no total depravity. A totally depraved person is one who cannot discern right from wrong, and acts on malicious intent continually. Hitler, Leopold, Stalin, and for ancient rulers Pharoah, Nebudchadnezzar, etc. Calvinism tries to make it easy by providing a “lense by which to see thru”. No, the ONLY lense we are to read through is that of CHRIST’S. Calvin is 6 feet under, his body is being eaten by maggots and worms. He is DEAD. Christ is ALIVE.
Amy person that would burn someone at the stake at their insistence because they didn't believe what they did..I wouldn't believe ANY theological ideas from them....and that person is John Calvin...don't think he follows the same Jesus I do...
Todd Murphy I agree with you. John Calvin had Michael Severtus burned at the stake, although Calvin had insisted that Severtus be beheaded. Scripture never records any apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ taking action to have anyone who was opposed of the Gospel (even though there are many accounts given of those who were opposed to/fell away from the Gospel) executed. Theirselves being wholly submitted to the Lord, the apostles knew that vengeance was the Lord’s. So many grievously believe the lies set forth by men like John Calvin and Martin Luther without seeking the Lord for the only Truth that only He can give 💔
Sure there is a curse on Adam and Eve. They were thrown out of the garden. Of course the curse will carry to the offspring. Your problem is you are attempting to understand Scripture with your carnal reason. Unsanctified reasoning will never comprehend the truth. The flesh does not crucify the flesh. John Calvin was the greatest preacher since the Apostles. An unborn baby does not commit sin, but has the potential and disposition for sin, because the baby is conceived in sin.
JOHN CALVIN WAS AS GUILTY AS IF HE MURDERED THEM HIMSELF.. GO READ HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE PUT TO DEATH UNDER HIS WATCH AND HOW MANY WERE EXILED BECAUSE OF HIM DIRECTLY.. GOOD CHRISTIAN.. HOPE HE TRULY REPENTED 🤔✝️
“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37
Brother, Collin ... Thank you for this video. I underestimated the effects of Calvinism ... and when I tried to help my family see the truth ... they persecuted me ... and after all I had done for them over the years ... they took almost everything from me and cast me out ... not caring if I lived or died. So ... yes ... Calvinism is definitely something to avoid ... as there is so much hidden below the surface and no genuine love in it ... and it destroyed my family. Also thanks for the Scriptures that are perfect in this application of truth. Much love for your work and time spent ... and caring enough to tell the Truth. ♡♡♡
I am currently experiencing such persecution from my family, who are strongly rooted in calvinism. I wish you well and stay strong in the Lord and His truth 💕
That's sad that happened to you. I'm doing a study on Calvinism for personal study. I'm not a Calvinist and I was wondering what do they believe. Your story is sad. Wow.
@@toddsiller1790 no, if they believe the Gospel they're saved but I just disagree with the limited atonement thing. I know God wants all to come to Him.
Hello Collin, I think that there is a flaw in your reasoning. and perhaps it leads to a wrong conclusion. You assumed that God had to curse man with being born sinful in order for this to be so. There is no way God would do this because it would make Him an agent of sin. Instead, Adam and Eve sinned and afterwards, their eyes were able to see good and evil. This was THEIR sin. However, the punishment for this sin was brought upon the entire civilization. If this was not so, Eve alone would have given birth in pain and every other woman would feel nothing. The same is true for men, the punishment is passed on to every man. So God condemned the entire world and said "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". This statement also applies to babies that are born and die a few hours later. The fact is that we are all born with something that inherent in all of us, the knowledge of good and evil. This is precisely what the law reveals to us. If there was no law, there would be no sin. But if we are born with a "reasoning" for good and evil then that is enough for God to know that we will trespass the law.
I'm sorry, friend, but your premise is wrong. God did not curse man, man cursed himself by sinning and eating of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam's original sin is the source of humankind's fallenness - not a curse by God. So this wipes away your entire argument - evidenced in the entire chapter Genesis 3. I see that your channel has seemingly evolved, but since this is still public, if you no longer affirm this Pelagian heresy, you may want to take it down.
/ No where in Genesis 3 is a curse of depravity / Try looking In the previous chapter. Genesis 2:17 "...on that day you shall surely die" You have to reconcile what kind of death this was. It must have have happened that day and it could not have been physical. This death therefore is spiritual and Adam is dead in trespasses and sin. and he passes this curse on from generation to generation,(romans 5:12).
FFAMOUS RS ........or it means there was no death until Adam or eve eats from the tree of knowledge. Once they do.... death will enter the world. Sin is always cleansed by bloodshed or death. As far as I know... Adam did find death upon that day even though he physically died many years later.
By the way, what's this we buissness, we are each one shall be judged alone by God, not in groups or organisations, it's every man onto himself, just as it is in a sinking ship.
I applaud you in your effort to refute Calvinism. I myself have always wondered at what point in time did mankind become totally depraved. And everyone would have to conclude that it happened the moment Adam and Eve sinned. I always say so Cain and Able were born totally depraved. Yet they both heard and knew the voice of God. And God even told Cain that he had a choice to make. Either do right or do wrong and suffer the consequences. So when God gave Cain that choice according to Calvinist Cain did not really have a choice. So that makes God a lier. The same with Abraham. God tested Abraham. But according to Calvinist, Abraham was predestined to sacrifice his son. So it really wasn't a test. In a test there has to be the possibility of passing or failure.
@@cowpokejohnny3419 When someone gives you a gift and you reach out to receive it; Do you claim to have in any way earned that gift. No. It’s all because of the giver; I have nothing to offer except my sin in exchange for his gift of salvation. To all who freely receive.
@@mrnoedahl You didn't choose God ,God choose you if you are saved which I'm hoping you are .Human beings are unable to come to God on their own The father has to draw us to Christ .
Jesus Christ brought us the New Covenant and, like all covenants, conditions must be met if the benefits are to be received. Throughout the New Testament, the word 'if' is used many times in association with salvation. When the conditions God sets by these 'ifs' are not met then an individual can't expect to receive the rewards as God never makes idle claims. Rom 8:12-14 clearly state that Christians have an obligation to keep from a sinful lifestyle, through the power of the Holy Spirit, and the penalty for not doing so is death ..."Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live ..." Jesus also made it very clear that obedience is the condition for salvation. In John 15:10 He said, "If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love ...". Plainly, if we are not obedient to the Spirit's leading then we will not remain in Jesus' love but will be cut out of the Vine, just as it says in John 15:6. Some say the word 'if' doesn't mean 'if' all the time but can sometimes mean 'since'. If we substitute 'since' for 'if,' then: Rom 8:13 would read, "since you live according to your sinful nature, you will die; but since by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of your body, you will live." The verse no longer makes sense. Heb 10:38 would say, "my righteous one will live by faith. And since he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." Clearly, only 'if' makes sense in these two examples and both deny the eternal security of believers.
You're twisting some scriptures there. But I think you know that. The old covenant is, "Thou shall not, thou shall not, thou shall not." The new covenant is God saying, "I will, I will, I will be a God to them, I will remember there sins mo more, I will be merciful to their unrighteousness..." find that in Hebrews 8 You make the new covenant sound just like the old. They aren't the same. The new is not according to the old. Hebrew 8:9
Am not a Calvinst, but what's your point..... Did God need to first curse us with every spiritual curse so as to be counted on us?, the consequences of SIN were automatic. Okay how do you explain Genesis 2:15-17 " if you eat you will surely die". You lack total Bible Interpretation knowledge, you ambush one scripture per a time and you don't let them have support from other scriptures. Heretic!!!!!!!
Awesome video as usual brother. I have one huge point to make that makes all other things secondary though. Jesus was born without sin...... and knew no sin. If He had been born of sin; we wouldn't be able to be saved.
If you are going to try to refute the Christian faith you should learn what our position is first. You don’t represent the argument well you create a strawman and burn it. Read (the bondage of the will) by Martin Luther Read (the freedom of the will)Jonathan Edwards read (what’s so great about the doctrines of Grace) Richard D. Phillips. Better still Study The Bible.
oh myyyy his theology is sooo messed up! I am not a calvinist, I believe that they are wrong for the simple reason that they do not leave any place for choice, and God created us as those who have free choice and will. He commands people to believe, but it is their free choice not to believe. But not believing in total depravity idea, does not automatically exclude the existence of sinful nature from birth. I think the Bible is clear on that point and yes David says: in sin my mother conceived me. Paul is talking about 2 natures as well. Why was Jesus born of the Holy Spirit? Because the sinful nature is transferred by Adam, by a man, by earthly father, not by mother, interestingly. Bible clearly says in Romans 5 and 8 that sin entered the world through Adam and so all people have sinned in Adam before they were even born. And yes, the Genesis does mention this spiritual death when He says that the day they taste the fruit they will SURELY die. John 10 says in paraphrase, that you do not have sin if you are not aware of it. He is speaking to the Pharisees and says: But now you say: we see, and so your sin stays on you. That is why a child cannot go to hell just because they were born as sinners, but they go to heaven because they are not aware of committing any sins or no idea about what is right and wrong yet. the moment they are aware of their sin, they are held accountable. Dead in sin means dead to spiritual life, to God, to relationship with him. You do not understand the Gospel on top of that, one needs to BELEIVE on Jesus and yes once you do that, you have been given, you have been covered with His robe of righteousness and born again in your spirit so that you have relationship with God from inside. We are not saved by doing the works of righteousness, that s Roman Catholicism. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ s sacrifice, 1 Corinthians 15, that s the Gospel that saves us. Paul is clear about that. etc.. I came to hear some good arguments against Calvinism, but this is a totally messed up theology.
I recently converted to Christ about 4 months ago and I can’t believe just how much the church is divided on a number of issues. It’s utterly ridiculous and makes us look like a bunch of fools. I’m new to this, but even I know SIN is serious and something believers shouldn’t take lightly. Just my opinion, if you’re a Christian and continuing to live in willful deliberate lifestyle sin, you seriously need to examine you’re salvation. You’re making a mockery out of Christ’s sacrifice and that’s something I don’t want to stand before God over!! Regardless if I’m still saved or not
"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17)."Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, 'Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?' So Jesus said to him..."You know the commandments" (Mark 10:17,19) and then He listed half of the ten commandments (also in Luke 18:19-20).
LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT THE MESSIAH SAID ABOUT KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS. LOOK WHO HE WOULD BE GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Truth divides. Jesus divides
So one’s behavior factors into whether a person receives eternal life? I thought it was by simply believing that Jesus is the Christ, the one who guarantees eternal life to everyone who believes in Him for it.
@@garyleemusic I think the idea is that believing in Jesus Christ leads to eternal life, yes, but believing also includes obeying and following Jesus, and that includes forsaking your life of sin.
It’s a kind of a “truly believing in Jesus should lead to a transformed life” idea. Faith should lead to good works as a sign of good fruit. If there’s no fruit, then the faith in question is dead.
@@samueljennings4809 obeying and following Jesus is works, which are required to be a student (disciple) of Jesus, but not to be born again. Believe simply means to be convinced of the truth of something. Notice in the book of John (the only explicitly book with an evangelistic purpose statement written to unbelievers) never makes anything besides believing in (being convinced) Jesus for eternal life the condition of receiving that eternal life.
So if the curse of death is on all men. What causes death? sin causes death. So you see total depravity in Genesis.
Death entered through sin unto all men. Rom5 v 12
Sin did not come to all men through Adam. You can't find one verse in the Bible.
@@YoxxSHIxx Romans 5:12
Hello!! How do you explain "what is born of the flesh is flesh and of The Sririt is Spirit" You must be born again" Can you give your explanation please, Thank you
Keep in mind who Jesus was speaking to in John 3 when Nicodemus said "we". Rich/prideful rulers of the Jews......rich in the text is many times code for the prideful, not always though. And poor is many times code for the poor in spirit "ie" the humble> see Mathew 5-3...
Born of the water means to be born into this world in the flesh, Jesus confirmed this in verse 6....once lust and pride are conceived in the heart it gives birth to sin said the apostle James, then one needs to be born again which includes almost everyone.. ....
Evil angels were not born of the water and their is no repentance for them, probably because they lived by sight, whereas with man its different, and has been granted repentance, or given the opportunity to repent..
Peter didn't take the gospel of repentance to Cornelius, because he was already obeying God according to the knowledge he had, therefore he received an increase of the Spirit. Likewise did Lydia....
Nicodemus was of couse a Jew, and Jews (Hebrews) see their place as special to God, which is not wrong. But they were still natural man, still had to bring sacrifices for personal sin, and have the sins of them all atoned for once a year, on the Day of Atonement.
Jesus was telling Nicodemus that his birth lineage as a Jew (born of water) was not going to bring him into the Kingdom of God. He would need to be born from above, born spiritually, born "again."
Stop asking men for their interpretation.
I don't believe that calvinism is correct however, I also don't think you have convinced me that man doesn't have a sin nature. If men are not sinners then why do we need God's salvation? We could just start "living righteously" and be ok. We need Jesus's sacrifice to cleanse us from sin and the work of the Holy Spirit to guide us to stay away from sin because we tend to be drawn to sinful things. As James says, we are carried away by our own lust. We cannot overcome this without the Holy Spirit. Gen. 6:5. 8:21. Psalm 53:1‐3. Rom. 8:9.
Amen to everything you said
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one . . . For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Romans 3:10, 23, KJV
Those are not salvation verses. Salvation verses are Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, John 6:47, Romans 4:5 and I Cor 15:1-4
Why not John 8;51?
Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of just plain evil.
Amen! That alone proofs free will! Anyone who says otherwise is spiritually DEAD
Great point! They clearly chose to disobey God.
The 5 points (tulip) came in response to the remonstrants. If you would only read the Canons of Dort from where the points you are refuting came from your arguments would be debunked. Everything in this video has already been debunked in the 1600s. If you want to argue against something at least do your research first.
Seek God to give understanding of His Word. It is dangerous to say (or insinuate) Scripture says what it does not say. You should take heed of who you are believing/listening to/regurgitating from. The only Truth is from God and He says in His Word “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”
James 1:5
You accused the Calvinist of cherry picking verses and then you give five verses to prove your point. I think you want to have an actual conversation, this isn't the way to do it.
I noticed this too. Ezekiel 28:15 is not only cherry picked, but seems to be completely removed from its context. The verse is talking about Satan, the anointed cherub that covereth, not man. This whole section is about who satan was, what he did and how he fell.
"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."
Ecclesiastes 7:20, KJV
You could also just point to logic. Total depravity is not only illogical, it’s stupid.
Alan Crane I disagree that the Bible is a work of systematic theology. We already know Job was righteous and did good. So did Abraham. And John The Baptist. And Moses. And many others. Ecclesiastes is wisdom literature. A poetic line in a piece of wisdom literature does not mean it applies to all of reality. The point of Ecclesiastes is not that humans are totally depraved. The Bible was not written to create a system of linear beliefs, it was written to tell the story of God’s saving work of all his human children.
Alan Crane yes indeed all have sinned. To me, this does not mean we aren’t capable of doing and being good. We are capable of choosing to follow Christ. Paul is saying we’re under the effect of sin, not that sin renders us incapable of choosing good.
Alan Crane here Paul is quoting the Psalms. The Psalms are poems/songs. They’re not a dictionary of theological concepts. He’s quoting the psalms because he’s explaining to us how Jesus fulfills the Old Testament. The reader hearing the psalm is supposed to make the connection and realize that Jesus is indeed fulfilling the Old Testament.
Alan Crane you’re absolutely right. No one is without sin. That does not mean humans aren’t capable of choosing to do right, choosing to follow God. We’re not totally depraved. We’re fallen, and need saving, but we aren’t totally depraved and incapable of choosing good. If we weren’t capable of that, Abraham could not have chosen to believe God, then have it counted to him as righteousness. The Bible is not a proof text to pick apart to prove philosophical tenets, it’s multiple stories grouped into one over arching story of God’s love and salvation.
“Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”
Ecclesiastes 7:20 . And brother did you sin today? Can you honestly say that you loved the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength? Do you love Jesus perfectly? If you say yes you’re a liar. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”
1 John 1:8
I agree, that is where he is wrong. However, he is right about the rest
This is all completely false. Total depravity is one of the most well taught doctrines in scripture. Of the 5 verses you used, none of them taught original perfection. One of the verses you used was talking of satan. Read romans 3 and every chapter it references in the OT and total depravity is undeniable.
only if you pick verses out of the Blue
if people are born totally depraved then god is evil
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 amen
actually its man that chooses for himself to be totally depraved, or as Paul said they were of a reprobate mind....Solomon said man was made upright (innocent, having a moral conscience), but by his own merit he seeks out evil devices...John 1-9 says Jesus was the light that lights EVERY MAN that comes into the world. Meaning HE endowed them with the light of conscience, not sin.....or did it say that Jesus is the darkness that darkens every man that cometh into the world? I say nay, may God forbid..
Isaiah 7:16
“For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.”
This is supposed to be about Jesus. We can get a good idea when the age of accountability starts if we can find out the date this prophecy happened.
No man seeketh after God
Colin,
I came across your video when doing my daily "get out of the house walk" during C19, so I had time to listen uninterrupted and reflect on what you said. I will say, I appreciate your intro and approach, that said, based on your challenge, this is why I am here.
So as to is man radically depraved. You say we must see it in Gen 3. This is false, because we must remember, there are no verses in the Bible, and Context deals with the Book, not a sentence.. So BEFORE the garden God’s gave a few commands, and they broke that command in eating th fruit. Before that, no sin is recorded, and we know Adam communed with God daily. We do get the curse in Gen 3, yet it is there as the Trinity speaks: 22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”
So at this point, Adam & Eve KNOW evil, this is evidenced in Gen 4 we see that depravity BEFORE the law was given:
3So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. 4Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; 5but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. 6Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7“If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” 8Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
So in this short section we see, pride, anger, jealousy, covetousness, and murder. If you reek reading just very soon after, what is God’s work? He slays millions or billions of humans and animals by saying this:”5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Yet Noah. SO only Noah was able to fight his will and find God. No, God chose Noah before Creation for His purpose and Will in Salvation of mankind. (Will expound on this later)
Now you speak of babies...yes, they are human at conception, but until they are born, they are not liable. Now, what does God do with babies when they die? God knows, and He alone does. But, if that was the case, and only kids over say 12 were liable for their choces, why did God kill them too? Something to thinks about. I agree Depravity was seen in the OT, as David declared by the Holy Spirit::
3For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;
so you are right in your verdict
and justified when you judge.
5Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
Psa 51
However, lets go back to where we were, but in Gen 8: 20Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth;
Thus it is. Now, I could show EVERY example in the OT here, but that would take weeeks; however, I think we can sum it up as an Apostle did in the Words of Our LORD: 63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 64“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” John 6
We know this as well because Paul also speaks of it::
14What then shall we say? Is there injustice with God? Never may it be! 15For He says to Moses:
“I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion.”e
16So then, it is not of the willing, nor of the running, but of God showing mercy.
Rom 9
But is it just Paul? Nope, OT & NT alike show this inescapable fact:
John 1: 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
So we see John start his Gospel here, in 6 he confirms that fact again by the LORD’s word.
But just to correct this false narrative that man is good and can choose:
John 3: 1Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; 2this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
This is a supernatural work by God alone (John 1) that regeneration must come first., and out LORD continues:
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
So it is not the person, but God that makes it possible. So like it or not we ALL believe in Limited atonement. It is either effectual or scope. Biblically, it is scope, for those predestined before creation. Now this is where the verse guys forget the book continues.
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
BAM! DONE! Free-will bruh! DONE! NOT SO FAST!
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
So you must be regenerate or none of salvation is possible. Wait, I know what you are thinking..WHOSOEVER. But who is that?
Joh 10 speaks to this:
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
“How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30“I and the Father are one.”
(cont 1)So again, the flesh (ALL HUMANS) are born in sin, with sin, and are slaves to sin. Only by regeneration can this be undone by the will of God alone. God does not make man hate Him, they just are, which is why when you read his Magnim Opus it explains this in the entire book, but specifically here:
17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “For this very purpose I have raised you up, so that I might show My power in you, and that My name should be declared in all the earth.”f 18So then, He shows mercy to whom He wants, and He hardens whom He wants.
The Calling of the Gentiles
19Then you will say to me, “Why then does He still find fault? For who is resisting His purpose?” 20But rather, O man, who are you, answering against God? Shall the thing formed say to the One having formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”g 21Or does the potter not have authority over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel unto honor, but one unto dishonor?
22And what if God, desiring to show the wrath and to make known His power, bore with much patience the vessels of wrath, having been fitted for destruction, 23that He might also make known the riches of His glory upon the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He has called not only out from the Jews, but also out from the Gentiles? 25As He also says in Hosea:
“I will call that which is not My people, My people;
and her not having been loved, having been loved,”h
26and,
“It will happen that in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
there they will be called
‘sons of the living God.’”i
27And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the sons of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28For the Lord will perform the sentence
He is concluding and bringing swiftly upon the earth.”j
29And, as Isaiah foretold:
“If the Lord of Hosts had not left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
and we would have been made like Gomorrah.”k
(cont2)To your 2nd point: Transgression of the LAW.
As shown in part 1, Cain broke the Law before the Law. And you cannot be anachronistic in your applying Scripture. I dealt with the Baby in part 1, but to recap, Scripture is clear:
Psal 51: 3For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;
so you are right in your verdict
and justified when you judge.
5Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
So I think we have your point rebuked.
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Point 3:
Rom 9:11
Deu 1:39
Eze 28:15
Ecc 7:29
Rom 5:19
This is the problem with taking a verse out of context, which respectfully you did do. You cannot form doctrine like this.
I’ll try to get to them all.
Rom 9- First, Romans 1-4 places guilt on ALL the human race, jew & Gentiles, all under the law. That fact is inescapable. However, a read on 9 in its context and entirety proves beyond any doubt, God chose before Creation He will have mercy on whom He alone chooses and it does not make hum unjust or unfair; thus, why it is called mercy. This was covered in Isaiah as well in great detail. In citing v11, you just defeated your whole premise, “in order that GOD”s ELECTION might stand”
THAT is the crux of reformed theology, and you just proverbially decapitated yourself.
Deu 1: you cited a verse, and used modern context, not Hebrew. Some of the earlier commentaries on Hebrew culture word it thus: here is nothing the king does not know - his knowledge is universal. Hence to know good and evil came to mean to be intelligent, and not to know good and evil to be unintelligent, as is a babe. The children here referred to knew nothing, and consequently could not be held as morally responsible; comp.
So your anachronistic interpretation is flawed sir.
(cont3)Eze 28:if you would have used context Colin, this was about Adam & Eve, not mankind.
13“You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14“You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15“You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
So again, I respectfully declare your point refuted.
Ecc7: Again, points back to Adam & Eve, not mankind. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright,.... The first man Adam, as the Targum and Jarchi interpret it; and not Adam only, but Eve also with him; for these were both made by the Lord, and on the same day, and in the same image, and had the same common name of Adam given them, Genesis 1:27; And they were both made "upright"; which is to be understood, not of the erectness of their bodies, but of the disposition of their minds; they were "right and innocent before him,''
So again, your point refuted sir.
Rom 5: Did you miss the verbiage there? MADE. Made by whom? God. Not by the will or choice of man. I think in Sec 1, you have enough Scripture to realize this is futile. But to be fair, let’s dive in.
Rom 5 is beautiful to these Reformed, because it proved God will and chooses alone. Rom 5 speaks that Christ died for sinners.(6) Which Sinners? ALL? NOPE! Jesus said in His own words, He died for the sheep, given to Him by The Father. There is no whisper of choice of man, because you must be regenerate, and only those God chose before Creation are such to be saved. That is why there is a definitive number. (8)Gid displyed His love toward us. Who is the US? Those justified by Jesus’ blood (9) and so thus the predestined sheep.
Verse 10 again nullified your opinion of choice and not depraved, because it answers your objection: “ 10For if while we were enemies ..” Thus everyone not regenerate is an enemy of God as stated elsewhere in Scripture. Keep reading the rest of Romans and it is clear, God has mercy on whom He wills.
Final POINT : Eze: 18. You use the same logic the Muslim does for works righteousness.
Lets go to the book: The chapter in this case speaks to specific sins that a father commits, but the son does not do. What you are talking about however is imputed sin, or Original sim, and since every person dies, because all sin, than anyone who dies is a sinner. The ONLY time this is not true is when One laid down His own life for the Elect. Yet again, out of context and out of line. Gen told us all man is evil from youth. Psalm 51 says we are sinful in the womb and from birth. Rom and Eph and Col and Cor tells us all mankind is doomed and no one is righteous. Only those called, drawn, and regenerated by the Holy Spirit who go from being born slaves to sin, to slaves to God of righteousness.
6:For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life (Romans 6:20-22).
Colossians 3:12
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
Hi rmirobi I hope you don't mind me adding to your post but I find Mathew 11:27 is the irrefutably definition from JESUS as to who the whomsoever are, Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him". The whomsoever are the ones who the Son reveals the FATHER to. Salvation is by revelation and not by flesh and blood, Matthew 16:16-18 (AKJV)
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it
What I have found is that many people use rightly dividing to prop up their doctrines from scriptures that do not play nice with their doctrines.
God does not like it when we add to, diminish aught from, or take away from His word and has said so repeatedly.
(Deu 4:2, Deu 12:32, Deu 17:11, Ezr 6:11, Psa 56:5, Psa 119:126, Pro 30:6, Jer 23:36, Jer 26:2, Mat 15:1-9, Mar 7:1-13, Rom 1:25 2, Co 2:17, 2Co 4:2, 2Pe 1:20, 2Pe 1:21, 2Pe 3:16, Rev 22:18-19)
So why on earth would you think He would give you a license to add to or take away from His Word through "rightly dividing" which is used by most of the church world to explain away, or interpret away the scriptures that stand against their doctrine they have received from their church?
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Do you really believe after God said do not add to my word, do not take away from my word, that He is going to give you a license to do exactly that, rightly dividing to save your doctrine from other scriptures that do not play nice with your doctrine?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
The Word of God is given by inspiration of God, if God had wanted His Word to read as you have rightly divided it, then He would have caused it to be inspired as you have rightly divided it so that it says plainly what you are trying so desperately to make it say with your rightly dividing.
Tell me something, when is God's word profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
Before or after it has been "rightly divided"?
I contend that His Word meets 2Tim 3:16-17 before man "rightly divides" it, as once man has altered scripture using rightly dividing it is like the salt that has lost its savor.
If you have to deny many scriptures to prop up your doctrine then your doctrine is wrong.
Do shepherds lose sheep, well yes actually they do
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_sheep_predation
North America
According to the National Agricultural Statistics Service, 224,200 sheep were killed in the U.S. by predators in 2004, comprising approximately 37% of all bovine deaths for that year.[6] The sheep lost in that year represented a sum total of 18.3 million dollars for sheep producers.[6] Coyotes were responsible for 60.5% of all deaths, with the next largest being domestic dogs at 13.3%.[6] Other North American predators of sheep included cougars (5.7%), bobcats (4.9%), eagles (2.8%), bears (3.8%), and foxes (1.9%).[6] Wolves, ravens, vultures, and other animals together made up the remaining 7.1% of deaths.[6]
Yes, shepherds lose sheep to predation, and this fact has been true as long as man has been keeping sheep.
Here is another one of their sayings
if it is eternal Life how can you lose it if it is eternal?
First, the worldly answer if it is eternal life how can you die if it is eternal life, if you have eternal life right now, then by the same reasoning you cannot die because you have eternal life.
The second answer is quite long so I will only give the references.
1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,)
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Eternal life is a promise, a Hope that we inherit in the world to come.
Eternal Life: Mat 19:16, Mar 10:17, Mar 10:30, Luk 10:25, Luk 18:18, Joh 3:15, Joh 5:39, Joh 6:54, Joh 6:68, Joh 10:28, Joh 17:2, Acts 13:48, Rom 2:7, Rom 5:21, Rom 6:23, 1Tim 6:12, 1Tim 6:19, Titus 1:2, Titus 3:7, 1Jo 1:2, 1Jo 2:25, 1Jo 3:15, 1Jo 5:11,13,20, Jud 1:21
Life Eternal: Mat 25:46, Joh 4:36, Joh 12:25, Joh 17:3
Everlasting Life: Dan 12:2, Mat 19:29, Joh 3:16, Joh 3:36, Joh 4:14, Joh 5:24, Joh 6:27,40,47.
Life Everlasting: Joh 12:50, Gal 6:8, 1Tim 1:16.
Eternal Life 26 verses, Life Eternal 4 verses, Everlasting Life 9 verses, Life Everlasting 3 verses.
the majority of those speak of eternal life as a hope a promise that we inherit in the world to come. so that the majority gives light to those that seem to say we have eternal life now.
Anyone can toss out a few proof texts, well a few proof texts do not speak for the whole, you have to look at all of them to paint your picture not just a few proof texts the paint an incomplete picture.
My earthly dad never had to correct me for being good - but it is impossible for me to count the times my earthly dad had to correct me for being bad. Looking back I realize if my earthly dad had spared the rod, I don't know what would have happened to me. I give glory to Yah my Heavenly Father because He gave me the dad on this earth that He knew I needed. My dad's name was Virgil by the way means - Rod bearer, staff bearer. Yes, I am convinced Yah knew just who I needed for my earthly dad. I'm convinced and so grateful they both loved me. Jesus came for sinners (me) - not the righteous. Thank you Jesus! P.S. I did not come from a christian home so I do agree without a godly leader in the home the correction was hard with no understanding as to how to live. But miracles still happen today - I lived a ungodly life but the LORD starting drawing me 6 years ago and today I give Him all glory. No man - no church gets any credit - the LORD drew me and His word brought me to repentance on my living room floor - life changing - He's real and still saving. People don't need calvin - Yeshua saves!
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
I used to watch your channel while fighting to defend the existence of my god from the threatening heresy of reformed theology as well as try to make sense of the sinning husbands in our church that hugged one another and prayed for one another but continued to sin in secret only to confide in one other a little while later. It was like watching practicing alcoholics trying to help others become sober.
Jesus didn’t heal our marriage. I did by giving my husband an ultimatum and also waking his eyes up to the fact that these are other father’s daughters he’s watching. Child locks on devices also had their place but the resistance was laughable at one point.
The repair wasn’t over night. But I began to see the power in our choices and not the sky daddy I was praying to for years.
Life is choice after choice after choice - each with their unique consequence.
30 years I tried to defend a god that would force us in a world and the bodies like the one we live in.
For the first time in my life since age 7, the last 1.5 years since realizing no god is coming to my rescue and that I must take matters into my own hands to see any change in health or relationships, I’ve never seen the Bible and other holy scriptures and thoughts so clearly for what they are - man trying to cope with existence.
Sure, there are strange phenomena like spontaneous healing or near death experiences, but so far each scenario has some sort of much more realistic explanation - either they are lying, the body is capable of healing itself profoundly as we have evolved to survive thus far, and your NDE experience is always surrounding the gods and deities of one’s culture and a feel good feeling your body gives off as you are dying.
My purpose in life at this point is to finally care for myself like I never had for years trying to please constant eyes from up above and those that reminded me it is what we must do as Christians. I mitigate as much pain as possible by hard work through research and healthy choices and take care of myself and my family in the best ways no thanks to god’s revelation. Why would he keep these things so hidden anyway from the average person? Sounds pretty sadistic to me.
Poor guy trying to disprove something he doesn’t even understand. 2 Corinthians 4:4. I can only pray that your veil be lifted so you can see the light of the gospel.
Hm.. Instead of saying how poor of a guy he is, maybe refute what he said in the video with direct scriptures? You do want to save those who are lost right? Oh wait.. It shouldn't matter because you're elect right?
Hey read closely: When you're standing before God do you think he's going to say "Well done, you've theologically understood my ways thanks to my beloved John Calvin."
The issue is you're looking at scripture with a lens of Calvinism.
You're not genuinely looking for truth. You're applying this theology to it.
Calvinism is nothing but heresy. On the surface it sounds sane, but beyond that I come to see what Calvinism REALLY believes in. And it's absurdity when you try to justify it with scriptures that contradict it.
Isn't it interesting many Calvinists have to go through almost hours upon hours of explaination for their theology rather than getting to the matter at hand and winning souls to Jesus? 🧐
What about exodus 20 where its say that God does visit the iniquity of the father upon the children
With regards to children being born sinners I believe David mentions that "in sin I was conceived" and that all have fallen short of the glory of God.... but I think the big misunderstanding is that it's a sin NATURE, meaning that from birth no one left to themselves would seek out selflessness, or piety, or God. Whereas a Holy nature would be to do the will of God therefore a sin nature is inclined to make themselves the center of their universe not God. And inevitably the consummation of a sin nature is demonstrated in the act of sinning... which can only happen when a child has been given the opportunity.
Beautiful
The focus in psalm 51:5 isn't on David and his sin but his mother's sin. Do you think that in David's Psalm of repentance that all if a sudden he starts blaming God? David had just lost his infant child seemingly because of his adultress relationship( conceived in sin) . Just like the beginning of his lineage( Judah) was begin the same way. He's seeing the pattern is all.
Also , sin nature isn't a thing.
Romans 5 talks about how -
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned- meaning yes sin came in to the world( physical world ) due to Adams sin and so also death and death spread to all men BECAUSE ALL SINNED not because all inherited original sin from Adam or a sin. The term sin nature only appears in the NIV and that should tell you something
Amen brother! Psalm 37:27 simplicity of the gospel
Also why doesn’t at least some people live with out sin
We aren’t judged according to our works. If that were the case we would all go to hell! This is the point of a savior. Our works are but filthy rags to the Lord!
I didn't hate God before he saved me. Sure I had my sins and I knew God did not approve of them. But I did not hate him. I loved Christmas and had a desire to help others. When he called me he gave me a choice. I accepted. Adam and Eve has a choice.
Are kids who are born through fornication and not through a marriage union are they sinners or how does God look at them?
All are sinners, regardless of method of conception.
I think the biggest problem with Calvanism is that they get the foundation ALL wrong, what sin is at its foundation and how it works, then they ALSO get what the atonement is and what it DID wrong and it all just keeps getting farther from the truth, since it is a systematic theology everything built on top of it is wrong.
I think you're missing the point Colin. Without Christ and the Holy Spirit, we are depraved. A lack of knowledge alone destroys us. The question isn't do I commit sin or not? The question is do I love God perfectly the way Jesus did? I can see how your approach to ground zero is illogical in that way. But if you're a Christian, it is because you're saved from the kinda depravity described in Matthew 15:19. Because doesn't Jesus also teach that "those who are well don't need a physician but those who are sick do?" He was referring to himself as the physician and the sinner as the sick one. And don't you think that those who seemingly are born and grow up as the perfect man in Adam are the very ones who become arrogant and eventually sinful in their arrogance because of their denial of a need for Jesus.? Like 1John 1:10 says that if we deny that we have sinned, then we make God a liar and his word is not in us. And verse 8 tells us that we are deceiving ourselves if we say we have no sin. And as far as Genesis 3 goes; I've always believed that it doesn't matter if it says total depravity plainly or not. That's not the purpose of Genesis anyways. It's pupose is to proclaim the hope of the gospel in the beginning of creation. Just look at Gen 3:15. Hint: women don't have seed. They have eggs. But not seed. We believe it's a reference to an immaculate(or divine) conception. And he shall bruise you on the head and you shall bruise him on the heel? And read the first two amazing verses in Genesis and parallel the language with that which is spoken in John 1:1-5. Thats why I believe you're in error for trying to use Genesis to refute the doctrine of total depravity. Cause if we were not born hellians, then Jesus came and died and resurrected for nothing.
Correction, "Without Christ and The Holy Spirit we are lost in the state of depravity that has come upon our once innocent self as a result of living in satan's kingdom and falling prey to temptation." That's far more accurate than saying we are outright depraved without Christ and The Holy Spirit.
Well if that were true than God would be a liar because he called Job a perfect and upright man and this was long before Christ, I think your the one missing the point Jameson.
@@Kevin-pe1kj but God never said that Job was born without sin or that he fulfilled prophecy or the whole law perfectly. Job was an upright man blameless in all his ways because he was looking forward to the promise of God through faith.
Bro total depravity is a pure doctrine, everyone born of a woman on earth is spiritually dead unless quickened by the holy spirit;Eph 2,
I love the smell of Pelagianism in the morning.
Romans 5:8-10
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Romans 3:22 - Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 1:17 - For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
1 Corinthians 1:30 - But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Romans 4:3 - For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Jeremiah 23:6 - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - “....that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God.” Have you ever considered that MIGHT part? Ever notice that Jesus said “I am come that they MIGHT have life.” (John 10:10) also? The Lord Jesus came indeed, He laid down His life, and He’s coming again as He says. He’s already finished His work in extending to us the free will choice of believing He came to this earth, shed His blood as the perfect, spotless Lamb to atone for sins past (no more animal sacrifices needed) for once and for all, that by godly sorrow unto repentance, we MIGHT turn to Him for forgiveness, receive His grace to go and sin no more, through the Holy Spirit walk obediently unto righteousness. The MIGHT part is up to us! “God is long suffering, not willing that any should perish, but that all SHOULD come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) why? If He’s already got His “elect” chosen as the enemy behind the heresy of Calvinism would have you believe. All of the SHOULDs, MIGHTs, and IFs of Scripture shouldn’t be glossed over. Those mean it’s our choice to make.
Believe = obedience
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. PSALM 51:5
Thank you for this clarifications, information. Is John Calvin who they say a Baptist?
His a catholic lawyer, he is protestant reformist of catholic beliefs..he believed in baptismal regeneration...
Man you are pretty much denying Paul’s exegesis in Romans 3 in which he quoted that no one does good before God from the psalms and then concludes that “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:20 in Romans 2 the knowledge of the law is the awareness of the law, not a desire to follow the law or the promise that God gave to his people to “put the law in their hearts” in Ezekiel is meaningless. In the end of the day, you have to deny that “all” means everyone, the very argument that arminians Hinge on against Calvinism, if you think that the “all” doesn’t include infants at conception, if you’re pro life of course.
yep. I reject Paul and what he said just as everyone turned away from him as he complained to Timothy
What do you believe about the doctrine of effectual calling?
Hahaha, he cited Romans 5 and 9 against Calvinism 😂😂😂😂
Exactly because if read in context it destroys calvanism
Calvinism twist the scriptures and it's built on one big lie
Each day I give thanks to GOD for my deliverance from Calvinism.
@@davidjohn85 God is better than words can describe
@@davidjohn85 Amen
David’s first son with Bathsheba died and David said I will go to him but he will never come to me. Clearly states the knowledge of babies going to the Lord, only when u don’t know the Lord you can get caught up with your thinking
JESUS SAYS HE CAME TO DIE FOR HIS 🐑, WILL ANY OF THOSE FOR WHOM JESUS DIED , CAN THEY BE LOST?
God doesn't force anyone against their will, he renews someone's sinful mind, therefore giving them the ability to love God.
The irony of all this is he is actually making the case for catholicism, the sacraments and the fullness of the faith....James 2:20-23
Not even close, Catholicism is wicked and almost entirely against what the Lord commands in Scripture...
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@@codymattison8189 why is that, because the anti christ demi god fathers and man made traditions of sin and doctrines of demons from 1517 tell u thus. Or is it ur faith tradition? Or is it ur "bible" was was put together by the Calvinist committees commissioned by The masonic calvinst King James? Spouting recycled material from the 1500s from men, WHEN sacred Scripture ALONE (and the Words of Jesus Christ the King destroys these heretics) is not becoming. U are mistaken on so much. We pray for u.
@@captainmarvel76927 the pope basically is the antichrist... read God's Word (KJV) sir.
@@codymattison8189 well see u have a King VIII problem then don't u, who killed about 80,000 people. And the KJV is made up of: the great bible, the geneva bible, the bishops bible, the Douay Rheims bible and the textus Receptus aka Erasmus the Priest who dedicated the 3rd edition to the Pope and was in full communication with the Catholic Church. Didn't they teach u that. Didn't they teach u the Church Of England, is the mother of harolets aka a great red dragon, aka queen Elizabeth's coat of arms had a dragon and she butchered thousands of people, as did John Know, as did John Calvin as did Martin Luther? U all are mad.
@@captainmarvel76927 Who cares?
Trust that God preserved His words like He said He would(excluding modern versions which are corrupt)...
Psalm 12:6-7
Without God’s divine election through the righteousness of Christ Jesus, no one would be saved.
Therefore, as he said to Nicodemus, no one will see God unless he is born from above.
Hmmm...very interesting. What I hear you saying is: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." Adam and Eve were created without sin, yet Eve was fooled by Satan, while Adam wasn't fooled; he heeded his wife instead of God even though he was warned what would happen if he disobeyed. God told Cain not to be angry; he was told by God to do what was right, and even warned him that sin was crouching at the door, and it's desire was for him, but that he must master it! Cain didn't. Why would God tell Adam and Cain to do something he knew they could not have done - obey God and rule over sin? So far, your logic and exegesis follows Scripture❣
Roman's 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
Sin entered into the WORLD not man. Sin is all around every man in this world because the ruler of this world is satan but it is always a choice for man to either choose to do sin or choose to do righteousness. Man has always had the ability and will always have the ability to choose. “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
Genesis 4:7 “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.”
James 4:8 Calvinism is a damnable heresy
Ezekiel 28:15 "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you." - you mention this at timeline 14:19, but this actually refers to the creation of Lucifer! Not a suitable example of your exposures of Calvinism in the human context. I have no problem denying Calvinism, as it is obviously a pernicious and sectarian belief system. Its influence on many Christian minds is appalling. You having a conscience is an example of having something good in you. If you read John 1:9, these verses refer to Christ as being the Light "which lightens everyone that comes into the world" - that doesn't sound like total depravity either!
Are some people born children of Satan and some children of God? Like some are of cain and some are of Abel? Have you ever read that verse where eve gives birth to Seth and says I have gained another seed from THE LORD in the place of Abel because cain slew him? What does that mean? Why didn't she just say I have cain?
Your messages are a true blessing to our household, I'm not able to say this often but God Bless you.
Absolutely true ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍 YEAH Praise God
One of the earliest errors you are making is sidestepping progressive Revelation and telling us what needs to be in Genesis 3? Jews make the same argument that you are making about original sin. Where is word Christ in the Old Testament, does it need to be there for Christ to be true or relevant?
I gotta say, this didn't start well, and the start set a theme that played out through the whole video.
0:15 "The TULIP of Calvinism is a doctrine that represents the five main points of Calvinism."
No, TULIP is a summary of the Canons of Dort, which was a response to five main points of disagreement between the followers of Arminius (the Remonstrants), and Reformed theology. Calvinists confess so much more than just the doctrines of grace. One might say it is at best 1/3 of Calvinism, as Dort makes up only one of the three forms of unity confessed by many Reformed churches.
0:50 - The only question you need to ask:
According to Washer - "Is man radically depraved?"
According to you - "Is man _born_ radically depraved?"
Why change Washer's question?
3:00 - While I think CARM's summary of total depravity is fine as far as it goes, I'd suggest building a refutation off of Dort as it provides a much fuller explanation of what is being asserted as well as what is being denied.
3:48 - _"I will also add to this definition..."_
Wait, this is the second time you are adding your own concerns to the opponent's words. No matter how soundly you make your case, you are opening yourself up to accusations of strawmen argumentation if you don't represent the opponent as they represent themselves and add stuff they didn't say.
_"Where in Gen 3 was God's curse of Total Depravity upon every human being"_
Where in the definition of Total Depravity you gave was Total Depravity claimed to be God's curse? This question doesn't advance your case, and it seems to be importing an assumption about Total Depravity that wasn't in the definition you provided. You spend so much time ridiculing the idea that total depravity is God's curse, and yet that is a complete strawman based on the very definition of total depravity you provided. It would be far better if you first showed a definition from a calvinist source that claims total depravity is God's curse if that is what you wanted to refute.
_"How does a baby at the moment of conception commit sin?"_
This question confuses our sin nature with our sin. Total Depravity is a claim about the nature of the human, not a claim that a fetus practices sin. Your objection here is not even really about total depravity, but original sin, but even then original sin is about federal headship in Adam or in Christ as Rom 5 talks about, and not the practice of sin. It would be good for you to either focus on Total Depravity or also give a definition for Original Sin before arguing against it.
You also go on to confuse our personal iniquity with total depravity, but again, those aren't the same concepts. Our depravity will ensure that we rack up our own iniquity, and we won't be punished for our father's sins. That's because of total depravity, not a disproof of it.
I CANNOT IMAGINE A MORE READY INSTRUMENT IN THE HANDS OF SATAN FOR THE RUIN OF SOULS THAN A MINISTER WHO TELLS SINNERS IT IS NOT THEIR DUTY TO REPENT OF THEIR SINS OR TO BELIEVE IN CHRIST,AND WHO HAS THE ARROGANCE TO CALL HIMSELF A GOSPEL MINISTER,WHILE HE TEACHES THAT GOD HATES SOME MAN INFINITLY AND UNCHANGEABLY FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE HE CHOOSES TO DO SO.
CALVINISM IS FROM THE PIT OF HELL.
@@peralopenaify right and on top of THAT calvanism turns God into a movie director who will inevitably punish his actors for the story and roles he has given them to play out, on Calvanism there IS no justice in God because without the possibility that man is capable of turning to God to save him there is no real blame or responsibility for actions on his part, it's ALL God's doing and it's not JUST God letting man go after the desires of his own heart as it is on traditionalism, it's God choosing to punish man for the script HE has written FOR him, without giving him (man) ANY path to salvation, if Jesus came for only a select few that is not an open path to salvation, it is not God reaching out his hand to us as he clearly says he does in the Bible. Christ said "narrow is the path that leads to salvation and wide is the way to destruction", if Calvanism is true this was a false analogy, salvation is not reached by a path, it's reached by private invitation, it would be more accurate to say small is the private plane that will fly those chose to salvation and the father will hand out tickets to those he chooses, those without tickets will be destroyed and there is nothing they can freely do to recieve a ticket, you either get one or you don't, doesn't matter WHAT you do or WANT to do, the choice has already been made. It makes ALL the commandments and all the exhortation to repent meaningless, it makes God a mocker and it makes ALL those who found favor in God's eyes, all those whom he sent his spirit to in the old Testament lies! I feel like Calvanism takes a handful of verses from the new Testament and then interprets the ENTIRE bible through them, instead of the new Testament being built atop the old Testament the new Testament all of a sudden becomes the foundation and the thousands of verses where God tells us to choose him, to turn from our sins so we will not be destroyed are meaningless or sadistic, either way Calvanism robs God of his Justice AND his love.
Calvinists follow the doctrine of men, wicked men and never turn unto the Lord only for understanding.
Are you saying that anyone can be saved? Or did Jesus just die for the elect?
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. It's a gift, those who accept, are saved. God doesn't force people to be saved
What about Roman's 7? Paul calls himself a "Wretched" man because with his mind serves God's law, but with his flesh serves the law of sin. This was after Paul's conversion. If I'm correctly applying the theology in the video, Paul should be sinless as he was at this point, saved, but he says he still sins and is even in bondage to it.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
he was brought forth via an iniquitous act, not in sin...The apostle James tells us HOW sin is birthed. He said when lust is conceived in the heart it gives BIRTH TO SIN......you understand nothing about Psalm 51-5 other that what you been told by the false pundits of religion...They mix snippets of scripture with worldly wisdom and cliches' because the people love it so. Even to the point that they heap false prophets upon themselves, and volunteer to me merchandised by them without mercy..
they love to use David in Psalm 51 as an excuse for continued sin, thus making Psalm 51 a Psalm of EXCUSE rather than a Psalm of bitter REPENTANCE. The mother that David was speaking of was Tamar, who was the mother of the clan known as the Jews. In Gen. we see that it was sinful copulation that gave birth to the twins. Because of this act, there was a 10 generational curse placed upon the tribe of Judah, whereas they could not enter into the congregational activities for 10 generations, this curse is found in the book of Deut. God was forced to pick a king from another tribe when the people petitioned Samuel for a king. So God chose a man from the tribe of Benjamin, named Saul............ David was from the tribe of Judah, and the 10th generation, the number 33 seed appointment from Adam. in Luke 3..This is why David said "in sin did my mother conceive me". It doesn't say David himself was born in sin..Simple reading comprehension says otherwise. The Mother of the tribe of Judah was Tamar, and their tribe began with a sinful act that David was later to be born out of......................The only king in the future was only supposed to be the Messiah, who was to come from the tribe of Judah according to the blessings given in Gen. 49 by Jacob. And Joseph received the birthright blessing..T
hese two people are focused on in Gen. 37,38, because they received the greatest blessing of the 12 sons of Jacob. God overruled that in Samuel and gave the Hebrews what they wanted, that being an earthly king from the tribe of Benjamin. God said Saul was given a new heart, and the kingship would remain in his family generation until the Messiah should come. Then God regretted that He made Saul king, thus He changed His mind (open theism), and chose another which was from the tribe of Judah, "ie" king David...
Also, if a man is born in sin there is nothing he can do about it. He can just stand on judgement day and tell God "you were the one that made me this way". Also God would need to go back and apologize to Cain, because he was born that way, and there was nothing he could do about it..However, the text doesn't read that way. It says that Cain could rule over that man of sin that was seeking to rise up within his members in Gen 4-7. God would not have said this to Cain if he was born depraved. Infact God could not rightfully judge anyone, because the accused would say "I was born depraved". And if this depravity nonsense were actually true, then the whole world would be saved by default because God is no respecter of persons.. Its all about basic reading comprehension skills> these are very simple stories that a child could understand such as Gen 4-7.....
Lastly the prophet Ezekiel dedicated a whole chapter to the mythical born in sin proverb that was spreading upon the land. The Lord said you shall no longer speak this proverb, and that the sins of the father is not passed onto the son, but rather each is responsible for his own conduct, and the soul that SINNETH he shall die....one must use the whole council of God, not just snippets of scripture taken out of context.......Willie & Bonnie
Seek God to give understanding of His Word. It is dangerous to say (or insinuate) Scripture says what it does not say. You should take heed of who you are believing/listening to/regurgitating from. The only Truth is from God and He says in His Word “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”
James 1:5
I regurgitate scripture. Allow the Bible to speak for itself. Psalm 51:5 is so clear, as are many other scriptures I've also shared, which indeed prove the doctrine of original sin...if not the doctrine of total depravity. I'm not entirely sure of that 2nd one--BUT I know the Bible is clear in that there are many numerous "witnesses" in scripture which prove original sin to be a true and sound doctrine.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [Gen 6:5]
That’s why Jesus came to save the World of it’s sin. John 3:16 “For God so loved the World that she gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.”
@@WatchPrayAlways the heart was contaminated by the attractiveness of sin and by the habituel that were rooted in the will, sin was NORMALIZED, human nature could choose not to sin, OTHERWISE GOD WILL NOT SEND A PURIFIER DELUGE FOR EXTERMINED THE GENERATION OF NOE. Think about it my friend, original sin is a dangerous heresy that removes responsibility from man
I have always heard and believed that children are innocent until they reach the age of accountability, that is to say they have reached their age when they know right from wrong, like they have learned that lying is wrong.
also the age of accountability is not a set in stone specific age and is reached at various ages, and for some they never reach the age of accountability.
some children mature quickly while others struggle to mature,
Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
Mar 10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Mar 10:16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
What is going to happen that it would be said if you are on the top of your house not to come down? if you stay up there without coming down, if much time is gonna pass, unless the catching away takes place staying on the top of your house and not coming down you would starve to death, same as for those in the field and not coming back to there home.
I am strongly leading that doing so means that the rapture is close it is at the doors, and if this is the case then the next verse is trouble to the women and their babies in the womb and suckling children under the age of accountability are going with Jesus when He comes.
The Lord showed me something, they say the rapture is secret, I do not believe that but the pre-tribbers say that, there is a way a proof that the rapture has or has not happened, when Jesus comes He will take the under the age of accountability children with Him, those in the womb and small children, that is why there is a woe pronounced to those that are with child and give suck in those days, if they are not saved, their children will go without them.
Many mothers and expecting mothers will be separated from their children.
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Due to sin all of mankind is completely sinful, or depraved. Every part of fallen man is corrupted by sin. He is a creature that incapable of obeying the law of God. We see in Romans 3:10 ''“None is righteous, no, not one''
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
Also known as “sovereign election,” this is the teaching that God’s rescuing of sinners is entirely due to His own will and good pleasure Ephesians 1:5 '' he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,''
LIMITED ATONEMENT
Atonement refers to the forgiveness of our sins by means of Jesus’ sinless life and sacrificial death. Christ atoned, or paid for, our sins on the cross 1 Peter 3:18.''For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,''
IRRESISTIBLE GRACE
No one can be saved unless they are first drawn by God (John 6:44). Irresistible Grace does not teach that God’s calling cannot be resisted for a period of time, but that this resistance will ultimately be overcome. For this reason, a better term may be Effectual Grace, signaling that God’s intentions will have their intended effect on a person’s life. We cannot thwart the will of God to save us.
In short, this is the belief that all who are called by God to believe in Jesus will be saved. In John 6:37 Christ states, “All that the Father gives me will come to me,” and in John 6:39, “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.” God’s sovereign election is not contingent on our response; those who are called by Him will ultimately obtain justification and glorification (Romans 8:28-30).
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
If you have been justified before God you cannot lose your salvation. Once a person is truly saved, this salvation is eternally secure. In speaking about his sheep, Jesus taught that “no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29).
Rather than having to hold on to our salvation, the Bible teaches that when a person believes in Christ, they immediately obtain an eternal life (John 5:24; 6:47) that cannot be lost (John 10:27-28; Romans 8:31-39). Those who do appear to permanently fall away from the faith were never true believers (1 John 2:19).
I don't understand how I can refute this truth ,well supported by scripture.
I think you should go after all of what the TULIP stands for. On limited atonement just one scripture blows it up. 1 John 2:2 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The sins of the whole world. You can't get any clearer than that. Calvinist like to play word games and mind games.
@Brantley McDonald Hebrews 4:1,2
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. There is salvation available to ALL who will believe.
Brantley McDonald okay so since God chooses that means we really don’t have a choice. So again that makes God a lier when he says that we have a choice. Revelation 2: 20,21. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. I guess she did not repent because God wouldn’t let her, or didn’t give her the ability. But that is not what scripture says. That is writing Calvinism into the text. And this is the huge mistake of Calvinism, it twist the scriptures that go against it instead of saying we don’t understand how but God chooses and we also have a responsibility to make a choice. No one on this earth will figure out this mystery. We could continually go back and forth. Do you not agree there are ample scriptures for both sides? I am not saying that there is no elect, or predestination, or calling. There most definitely is. There is also the responsibility for us to seek God and listen and obey.
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Isaiah 55:6,7. 6Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. SO IT IS A MYSTERY. His thoughts are far above ours.
Can we be saved after we have sinned?
1 John 1:9
Yes! Repent and surrender all to Jesus
Calvin was a baby when the Reformation happened, what exactly did he have to do with it? Nothing at all. I guess Luther wasn't radical enough for some. I really think it is a misnomer to identify Calvinism with "Reformed" theology although that exactly what it has become known as today. We had no Christianity at all in this world until the 16th century.
Cyric London hmmm sounds a lot like Mormonism.
When your children or grandchildren are old enough to be taught about God, I challenge you and your spouse to tell them the terrible truths of Calvinism and then watch their spiritual progress over the ensuing years.
Tell them what you believe about God:
Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved.
We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you.
Take comfort knowing that we are not like God.
We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did.
So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God?
So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you.
Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases.
My dear beloved Calvinist, will you teach that to your children or grandchildren?
I suspect that your answer will be “never.” But why not?
Why would you ever hide the wonderful “doctrines of grace,” the “Bible truth,” from your own children or grandchildren?
TRUTH IN LOVE
So with out the law their is no sin. So since God didn't give me the law, I can never commit sin.
This guy is a heretic. At the 17:30 minute he argues that you can simply choose to live a righteous life. So I guess we don’t need Jesus’ righteousness? Such a dangerous teaching!
Misrepresentation he refutes that in another video
Why do most "Christians" think they have to be a denomination? What denomination was/is Our Savior? Most if not every denominations roots lead to Rome. The top of the pyramid.
Numbers 14:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Genesis 6:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Psalm 14:1-3 King James Version (KJV) and Psalm 53:1-3
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
And as we all know the following verse:
Romans 3:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Dang you got salvation wrong …
Brother Ezekiel 28:15 is in reference to Lucifer or satan. Was your reference to children? If so and in respect would be out of context
Ezekiel 28:12 KJV
[12] Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God ; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
@@onerealityofficial Did not understand your response. I reheard your point in the video and respectfully its not about children, its about satan. Whom seems to be working behind this king.
King David disproofs Monergism.
And the fact that I type this comment destroys it too.
Their God of monergism is an evil God.
abidewithchrist.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-one-dimensional-god-of-monergism.html
WORD UP
Monergism isn't even a word.
thankyou for the clarification. This was an awesome video. the things of the bible can be confusing and your clarification makes these topics of the bible easier to understand.
I don't see what the controversy is. Never mind Genesis 3, never mind verses given to refute your premise, how many people in history never sinned? Exactly one. The natural man is at enmity with God, because he is a natural-born sinner. There are better and worse people, but the unregenerate man, even those who listen to their conscience and are really "decent" people, are separated from God by their sin, even if they only sin "a little."
Nobody can see another's thoughts (thank God!), and who can say that, even if they are kind-hearted, don't lie or cheat, donate to charity, are faithful to their spouses, respect their parents, etc., they would be okay with having their thoughts played on a jumbotron? Zero.
"Sinners" and saved alike. The natural man sees no reason to know God, or keep himself from sin as God has delineated it. Of course he is at enmity with God, if only through ignorance.
Man is not good. Even his righteousness is as filthy rags before the Holy Most High God. It's not for no reason that it's such a big deal that Jesus never sinned, because no other human has ever done it. Sinning a little brings the same separation from God, and everyone has sinned.
We're not basically good. I don't care about theological constructs, all i know is that every human ever born needs forgiveness, with the exception of the one who didn't, whose blood purchased it for all mankind.
EDIT: I'm sorry, i didn't want to join a dog-pile, and it looks like you are taking a beating here in the comments. I posted my response before reading what others have said, you are probably a well-intended and thoughtful guy. I do think we should be careful about ascribing any inherent goodness to man( even Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."
Keep the faith, brother.
God does NOT hate sinners. If he did there would be no hope for us
Explain Psalm 5:5, 11:5.
Strawman spotted!
We're u ever a sinner, it's as if u are trying to say that u have never sinned.
confess to me that u have sinned this week or today.
Go on confess a sin to me, a brother in Christ.
I don't believe u have ever confessed a sin to God, have u said, Lord I gave sinned against u lord, not just my own flesh, but u Lord God. U are one step away from atheist. Those laws in Ezekiel u don't understand them they are there for the Jews or anyone under the law, a plumb line for those not under Christ. Every man is under sin, lust is sin.
Those under the law are a law unto themselves, they all ways point to the law as there great teacher, how they abide by all the laws, Paul did live by the law
No flesh will be cleared by the law. He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.
So are you Arminian?
I want to you a verse I came across, but first let me say I am nether Calv or Arm, in fact, a plague on both their houses........I say when asked, I am in Christ.
Here is the verse from Psal 58;3 "THE WICKED ARE ESTRANGED FROM THE WOMB: THEY GO ASTRAY AS SOON AS THEY BE BORN,SPEAKING LIES."
I very much enjoy your vids and look forward to your comment on the verse......God Bless.
Total depravity of man is impossible based upon Jesus himself. For if Jesus is God and man than Total depravity is disproved. Due to the fact that if Man is totally depraved with no ability to control his nature than Jesus could not have been a man because God cannot be depraved. Yet if Jesus is not man than he could not die for atonement and fulfillment. If he is man and is not God and therefore can be depraved than Jesus would not be divine in anyway and therefore not the Son of God. Essentially man can not be totally depraved and Jesus be man and God it is logically impossible. Jesus must be man and thereby by Calvinist thinking he would have been completely depraved and unable to remain sinless and could not be God. Or he would have to be God absent of man and the atonement of man would be null and void. Jesus himself combined with the doctrine of the trinity disproves total depravity in itself.
The Virgin birth was kinda important.
Total Depravity can be found it Genesis 3:16 "To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, in pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.'" This shows the depravity of man. God tells Eve and Adam that because they chose sin they will continue to. Woman will desire and attempt to overcome God's structure of marriage and Man will usurp it as well when he rules over woman instead of leading. Man does not rule over woman. The LORD rules over all.
You can see God himself state the total depravity of man in Genesis 8:21 "The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done."
When it comes to a baby at birth. They cry out in displeasure. They are complaining. According to 1 Corinthians 10:31 "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." Does the baby's complaining in their first yell, which is the first thing they do after being born, bring glory to God? Because if it doesn't, then it is sin.
Also, ignorance of the law is not freedom from it. Try saying that in court. "But Judge, I didn't know that was illegal..." the judge, "irrelevant, you broke the law and are therefore subject to just punishment for your crime."
sin is breaking the 10 commandments. children are innocent and perfect before god.
dann hienn then why did God command the israelites to kill man woman and child? Because no one is inoccent. As I pointed out in Genesis 8:21 "The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.'" We are evil from our youth and don't forget where David said "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." - Psalm 51:5
David said that he was born in sin (brought forth in iniquity). No one is inoccent all have sinned against God and all need Jesus to be saved.
@@alexanderwiken6744 you tell me. If god creates new born babies as sinners then he is evil. Your god is evil. But then the trinity is thee god of thee antichrist Popes of Rome.
This makes sence.
Conception?? I have to disagree.
Gary Bentlage Does life begin at conception?
Collin Michael what is considered conception, at what point?!
Gary Bentlage
"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]
www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Surely I was brought forth in iniquity, I was sinful when my mother conceived me. Psalm 51:5
King David loved God and served God and yet he was human and understood his own sin nature and and the importance of repentance. He asked God not to take his holy spirit away from him. So he understood about grieving the Holy Spirit and about asking for forgiveness. He was aware of his sin nature.
In contrast Saul also anointed and chosen by God had free will to refuse God and chose to do his own thing despite the power and guidance of the Holy spirit to do otherwise.
We have a choice to sin as believers. This choice did not exist when we were slaves in Satan’s kingdom and did not have the Holy Spirit. We did not have a choice when we belonged to Satan but now we have power and a choice.
When we became free, Sin still remained a part of our lives. Sin is always present and we always have to choose.
We are responsible for choosing.
I have studied human nature and psychology for most of my life and have been a therapist for the last 10 years. I can say from experience of dealing with people that we are dark and evil human beings and that truly there is nothing good in us unless God put’s it there. I have never seen a good person in my whole life and I have traveled to many parts of the world and have met so many different people but I have never met anyone good, whether child or adult that was inherently good. We are all selfish and capable of cruelty and immoral things every last one of us.
I inspect minds and hearts for a living, no matter how someone cleans themselves up on the outside they and I always discover some evil motive or agenda within their hearts.
As a Christian therapist I train people to fight their natural inclinations and to resist the evil within and without. Resist and wait for the power of God to deliver. I train them to live lives pleasing to God. It is a constant battle with many victories but we are always fighting and struggling. I believe the pollution is inside of us and either we understand the word of God wrong and are missing some important element or truth but we are still on the frontlines of this spiritual war fighting against our nature our inherent inclination to do evil even as born again believers.
Everyday I see the power of God manifested in the lives of my clients, I see life changing real victories people delivered from the bondage of many sins through reliance on God and the submission to his power but despite all of the victories over a multitude of sins, there is never an okay we are done moment. In myself and others there is always more to sin to resist, new sins to resist.
What does this mean that we have to keep fighting the enemy within and without? Why is the war not over for the saints? I don't know. I do know that we need his blood to cover us, to clean us because there is always more Sin, we can never do this on our own, we need his mercy.
We must be obedient to him and abide in his truth and then he is faithful to deliver all that are his. I don’t have all the answers and I am sure that I don’t know as much as all of you but of one thing I am 100% confident and have no doubts of: I have never seen God fail to deliver no matter how long it took, no matter how long we had to resist, he always sets HIS people free from sin. The problem is people get tired of fighting and give up, they don’t have faith, spiritual endurance or patience because they lack these things they decide that they are depraved. or maybe they lack the desire to know the truth about themselves. They decide that it is useless to struggle and to resist the enemy. instead if they chose to believe in the power of the living God if they waited they would see that God is faithful he ALWAYS sets his people free. Always.
God is no respecter of persons
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David’s Birth
David’s father, Yishai, was the grandson of Boaz and Ruth. After several years of marriage to his wife, Nitzevet, and after having raised several virtuous children, Yishai began to entertain personal doubts about his ancestry. True, he was the leading Torah authority of his day, but his grandmother Ruth was a convert from the nation of Moab, as related in the book of Ruth.
During Ruth’s lifetime, many individuals were doubtful about the legitimacy of her marriage to Boaz. The Torah specifically forbids an Israelite to marry a Moabite convert, since this is the nation that cruelly refused the Jewish people passage through their land, or food and drink to purchase, when they wandered in the desert after being freed from Egypt.
Boaz and the sages understood this law-as per the classic interpretation transmitted in the “Oral Torah”-as forbidding intermarriage with converted male Moabites (who were the ones responsible for the cruel conduct), while exempting female Moabite converts. With his marriage to Ruth, Boaz hoped to clarify and publicize this Torah law, which was still unknown to the masses.
Boaz died the night after his marriage with Ruth. Ruth had conceived and subsequently gave birth to their son Oved, the father of Yishai. Some rabble-rousers at the time claimed that Boaz’s death verified that his marriage to Ruth the Moabite had indeed been forbidden.
Time would prove differently. Once Oved (so called because he was a true oved, servant of G‑d), and later Yishai and his offspring, were born, their righteous conduct and prestigious positions proved the legitimacy of their ancestry. It was impossible that men of such caliber could have descended from a forbidden union.
However, later in his life, doubt gripped at Yishai’s heart, gnawing away at the very foundation of his existence. Being the sincere individual that he was, his integrity compelled him to action.
If Yishai’s status was questionable, he was not permitted to remain married to his wife, a veritable Israelite. Disregarding the personal sacrifice, Yishai decided the only solution would be to separate from her, no longer engaging in marital relations. Yishai’s children were aware of this separation.
After a number of years had passed, Yishai longed for a child whose ancestry would be unquestionable. His plan was to engage in relations with his Canaanite maidservant.
He said to her: “I will be freeing you conditionally. If my status as a Jew is legitimate, then you are freed as a proper Jewish convert to marry me. If, however, my status is blemished and I have the legal status of a Moabite convert forbidden to marry an Israelite, I am not giving you your freedom; but as a shifchah k’naanit, a Canaanite maidservant, you may marry a Moabite convert.”
The maidservant was aware of the anguish of her mistress, Nitzevet. She understood her pain in being separated from her husband for so many years. She knew, as well, of Nitzevet’s longing for more children.
The empathetic maidservant secretly approached Nitzevet and informed her of Yishai’s plan, suggesting a bold counterplan.
“Let us learn from your ancestresses and replicate their actions. Switch places with me tonight, just as Leah did with Rachel,” she advised.
With a prayer on her lips that her plan succeed, Nitzevet took the place of her maidservant. That night, Nitzevet conceived. Yishai remained unaware of the switch.
After three months, Nitzevet’s pregnancy became obvious. Incensed, her sons wished to kill their apparently adulterous mother and the “illegitimate” fetus that she carried. Nitzevet, for her part, would not embarrass her husband by revealing the truth of what had occurred. Like her ancestress Tamar, who was prepared to be burned alive rather than embarrass Judah,5 Nitzevet chose a vow of silence. And like Tamar, Nitzevet would be rewarded for her silence with a child of greatness who would be the forebear of Moshiach.
Unaware of the truth behind his wife’s pregnancy, but having compassion on her, Yishai ordered his sons not to touch her. “Do not kill her! Instead, let the child that will be born be treated as a lowly and despised servant. In this way everyone will realize that his status is questionable and, as an illegitimate child, he will not marry an Israelite.”
From the time of his birth onwards, then, Nitzevet’s son was treated by his brothers as an abominable outcast.6 Noting the conduct of his brothers, the rest of the community assumed that this youth was a treacherous sinner full of unspeakable guilt.
On the infrequent occasions that Nitzevet’s son would return from the pastures to his home in Beit Lechem (Bethlehem), he was shunned by the townspeople. If something was lost or stolen, he was accused as the natural culprit, and ordered, in the words of the psalm, to “repay what I have not stolen.”
Eventually, the entire lineage of Yishai was questioned, as well as the basis of the original law of the Moabite convert. People claimed that all the positive qualities of Boaz became manifest in Yishai and his illustrious seven sons, while all the negative character traits from Ruth the Moabite clung to this despicable youngest son.
PSALM 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
The Renewed Mind,
Read this article about King David's mother;
www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/280331/jewish/Nitzevet-Mother-of-David.htm
@@KINGBEATZJB thank you
If Total Depravity were true, then how could the Council of Carthage of 397 AD be competent to decide upon what the Books of the New Testament Canon should be? The Calvinist would reply that only the "illumined" would be capable of such. Then I ask why the "illumined" Theodor Beza, editor of the Geneva Bible edited out Revelation 22:19 , although there are some updated versions of said "bible" where this verse is quietly reinstated. Revelation 22:19 stated that there are eternal consequences to the deletion of Scriptural passages, a willful act that can damn the Elect.
Another great teaching. People need to understand free will. john 3:19 God bless
Excellent!
Colin, would you consider yourself an open theist? I'm presently reading God of the Possible by Greg Boyd - it's confirmed my position even though prior I had never heard of the term.
Please stop trimming your cheeks so low.
If a human being sins because they got a sinful nature,how did Adam sin he didn’t have it sinful nature yet
Because they were tempted by satan by telling them if they ate the fruit they would be like god.
In calvinism, God is the Creator of sin and original cause of sin, and therefore the true Father of evil.. because He decreed all things including sin and even Lucifer's rebellion. Sometimes worldly people have more common sense than some Christians. Calvinism is HERESY.
There is no “sinful nature”. There is only the carnal mind, which leads to death. The mind of the Spirit of God, or the mind of the devil?
This realization actually helped me see the Bible and god for what it is…a pathetic attempt at man trying to escape existential dread.
The first argument against total depravity assumes that total depravity came as a result of God's curse... Adam and Eve's shame and awareness of nakedness came prior to the curse, they wanted to hide from God prior to any curse which shows that depravity was prior to the curse
Not in the Bible dude
Nowhere in gen 3 you're reading this into the text
So, totally depraved eh?
Hmm, well God has a confvo with Adam after he sinned.
Also, they were ashamed. Not depraved God haters
You have to fabricate details
Able,
How is he even able to sacrifice/worship God.
Even the Israelites had a "free will offering" for Pete's sake
Well to understand what the doctrine of total depravity is teaching, you gotta understand it doesn't teach that one is utterly depraved (one being as evil as they can be). It teaches that sin effects every part of that person... the body, the will, the affections. And the question I would ask about Adam and Eve is how is what they did evil? It seems awfully harsh for God to say that the day they eat of some forbidden fruit that they would die. Could it be that there is something else about their disobedience that makes their rebellion against God's command more evil than what it appears to be on the surface. When Satan tempted them with the opportunity to "be like God" was he tempting them with something good or something evil? And if they were actually tempted doesn't that suggest that it was something that they desired? After all someone isn't tempted with things that they don't have any desire for right?
@@JimmyMason33 Thing is, total depravity is not a thing in this universe. There is sin, lawlessness, iniquity, and wickedness, no total depravity.
A totally depraved person is one who cannot discern right from wrong, and acts on malicious intent continually. Hitler, Leopold, Stalin, and for ancient rulers Pharoah, Nebudchadnezzar, etc.
Calvinism tries to make it easy by providing a “lense by which to see thru”. No, the ONLY lense we are to read through is that of CHRIST’S. Calvin is 6 feet under, his body is being eaten by maggots and worms. He is DEAD. Christ is ALIVE.
Amy person that would burn someone at the stake at their insistence because they didn't believe what they did..I wouldn't believe ANY theological ideas from them....and that person is John Calvin...don't think he follows the same Jesus I do...
Todd Murphy I agree with you. John Calvin had Michael Severtus burned at the stake, although Calvin had insisted that Severtus be beheaded. Scripture never records any apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ taking action to have anyone who was opposed of the Gospel (even though there are many accounts given of those who were opposed to/fell away from the Gospel) executed. Theirselves being wholly submitted to the Lord, the apostles knew that vengeance was the Lord’s. So many grievously believe the lies set forth by men like John Calvin and Martin Luther without seeking the Lord for the only Truth that only He can give 💔
@@radingler
Sounds like Calvin was depraved.
I think total depravity was calvin engaging in the phenomenon of transference
You are probably thinking of John Winthrop who lead the puritan society before and during the Salem witch trials.
Sure there is a curse on Adam and Eve. They were thrown out of the garden. Of course the curse will carry to the offspring.
Your problem is you are attempting to understand Scripture with your carnal reason. Unsanctified reasoning will never comprehend the truth. The flesh does not crucify the flesh. John Calvin was the greatest preacher since the Apostles. An unborn baby does not commit sin, but has the potential and disposition for sin, because the baby is conceived in sin.
JOHN CALVIN WAS AS GUILTY AS IF HE MURDERED THEM HIMSELF..
GO READ HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE PUT TO DEATH UNDER HIS WATCH AND HOW MANY WERE EXILED BECAUSE OF HIM DIRECTLY..
GOOD CHRISTIAN..
HOPE HE TRULY REPENTED 🤔✝️
“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.”
Matthew 12:36-37
Brother, Collin ...
Thank you for this video.
I underestimated the effects of Calvinism ... and when I tried to help my family see the truth ... they persecuted me ... and after all I had done for them over the years ... they took almost everything from me and cast me out ... not caring if I lived or died.
So ... yes ... Calvinism is definitely something to avoid ... as there is so much hidden below the surface and no genuine love in it ... and it destroyed my family.
Also thanks for the Scriptures that are perfect in this application of truth.
Much love for your work and time spent ... and caring enough to tell the Truth.
♡♡♡
I am currently experiencing such persecution from my family, who are strongly rooted in calvinism. I wish you well and stay strong in the Lord and His truth 💕
So do calvinist go to Hell?
That's sad that happened to you. I'm doing a study on Calvinism for personal study. I'm not a Calvinist and I was wondering what do they believe. Your story is sad. Wow.
@@toddsiller1790 no, if they believe the Gospel they're saved but I just disagree with the limited atonement thing. I know God wants all to come to Him.
The Lord said "I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked"...
Hello Collin, I think that there is a flaw in your reasoning. and perhaps it leads to a wrong conclusion. You assumed that God had to curse man with being born sinful in order for this to be so. There is no way God would do this because it would make Him an agent of sin. Instead, Adam and Eve sinned and afterwards, their eyes were able to see good and evil. This was THEIR sin. However, the punishment for this sin was brought upon the entire civilization. If this was not so, Eve alone would have given birth in pain and every other woman would feel nothing. The same is true for men, the punishment is passed on to every man.
So God condemned the entire world and said "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". This statement also applies to babies that are born and die a few hours later. The fact is that we are all born with something that inherent in all of us, the knowledge of good and evil. This is precisely what the law reveals to us. If there was no law, there would be no sin. But if we are born with a "reasoning" for good and evil then that is enough for God to know that we will trespass the law.
I'm sorry, friend, but your premise is wrong. God did not curse man, man cursed himself by sinning and eating of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam's original sin is the source of humankind's fallenness - not a curse by God. So this wipes away your entire argument - evidenced in the entire chapter Genesis 3. I see that your channel has seemingly evolved, but since this is still public, if you no longer affirm this Pelagian heresy, you may want to take it down.
/ No where in Genesis 3 is a curse of depravity /
Try looking In the previous chapter. Genesis 2:17 "...on that day you shall surely die" You have to reconcile what kind of death this was. It must have have happened that day and it could not have been physical. This death therefore is spiritual and Adam is dead in trespasses and sin. and he passes this curse on from generation to generation,(romans 5:12).
FFAMOUS RS ........or it means there was no death until Adam or eve eats from the tree of knowledge. Once they do.... death will enter the world. Sin is always cleansed by bloodshed or death. As far as I know... Adam did find death upon that day even though he physically died many years later.
Death entered through sin to all men, not sin.
By the way, what's this we buissness, we are each one shall be judged alone by God, not in groups or organisations, it's every man onto himself, just as it is in a sinking ship.
I applaud you in your effort to refute Calvinism. I myself have always wondered at what point in time did mankind become totally depraved. And everyone would have to conclude that it happened the moment Adam and Eve sinned. I always say so Cain and Able were born totally depraved. Yet they both heard and knew the voice of God. And God even told Cain that he had a choice to make. Either do right or do wrong and suffer the consequences. So when God gave Cain that choice according to Calvinist Cain did not really have a choice. So that makes God a lier. The same with Abraham. God tested Abraham. But according to Calvinist, Abraham was predestined to sacrifice his son. So it really wasn't a test. In a test there has to be the possibility of passing or failure.
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. PSALM 51:5
Another wicked arminian who thinks he's good ..
@@cowpokejohnny3419 When someone gives you a gift and you reach out to receive it; Do you claim to have in any way earned that gift. No. It’s all because of the giver; I have nothing to offer except my sin in exchange for his gift of salvation. To all who freely receive.
@@mrnoedahl You didn't choose God ,God choose you if you are saved which I'm hoping you are .Human beings are unable to come to God on their own The father has to draw us to Christ .
Jesus Christ brought us the New Covenant and, like all covenants, conditions must be met if the benefits are to be received. Throughout the New Testament, the word 'if' is used many times in association with salvation. When the conditions God sets by these 'ifs' are not met then an individual can't expect to receive the rewards as God never makes idle claims.
Rom 8:12-14 clearly state that Christians have an obligation to keep from a sinful lifestyle, through the power of the Holy Spirit, and the penalty for not doing so is death ..."Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live ..." Jesus also made it very clear that obedience is the condition for salvation. In John 15:10 He said, "If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love ...". Plainly, if we are not obedient to the Spirit's leading then we will not remain in Jesus' love but will be cut out of the Vine, just as it says in John 15:6.
Some say the word 'if' doesn't mean 'if' all the time but can sometimes mean 'since'. If we substitute 'since' for 'if,' then:
Rom 8:13 would read, "since you live according to your sinful nature, you will die; but since by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of your body, you will live." The verse no longer makes sense.
Heb 10:38 would say, "my righteous one will live by faith. And since he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him."
Clearly, only 'if' makes sense in these two examples and both deny the eternal security of believers.
You're twisting some scriptures there. But I think you know that. The old covenant is, "Thou shall not, thou shall not, thou shall not."
The new covenant is God saying, "I will, I will, I will be a God to them, I will remember there sins mo more, I will be merciful to their unrighteousness..." find that in Hebrews 8
You make the new covenant sound just like the old. They aren't the same. The new is not according to the old. Hebrew 8:9
@@jimkraft9445 Exactly Right. Amen. No strings attached.
Am not a Calvinst, but what's your point..... Did God need to first curse us with every spiritual curse so as to be counted on us?, the consequences of SIN were automatic.
Okay how do you explain Genesis 2:15-17 " if you eat you will surely die".
You lack total Bible Interpretation knowledge, you ambush one scripture per a time and you don't let them have support from other scriptures.
Heretic!!!!!!!
Awesome video as usual brother.
I have one huge point to make that makes all other things secondary though.
Jesus was born without sin...... and knew no sin. If He had been born of sin; we wouldn't be able to be saved.
If you are going to try to refute the Christian faith you should learn what our position is first. You don’t represent the argument well you create a strawman and burn it.
Read (the bondage of the will) by Martin Luther
Read (the freedom of the will)Jonathan Edwards
read (what’s so great about the doctrines of Grace) Richard D. Phillips.
Better still Study The Bible.
oh myyyy his theology is sooo messed up! I am not a calvinist, I believe that they are wrong for the simple reason that they do not leave any place for choice, and God created us as those who have free choice and will. He commands people to believe, but it is their free choice not to believe. But not believing in total depravity idea, does not automatically exclude the existence of sinful nature from birth. I think the Bible is clear on that point and yes David says: in sin my mother conceived me. Paul is talking about 2 natures as well. Why was Jesus born of the Holy Spirit? Because the sinful nature is transferred by Adam, by a man, by earthly father, not by mother, interestingly. Bible clearly says in Romans 5 and 8 that sin entered the world through Adam and so all people have sinned in Adam before they were even born. And yes, the Genesis does mention this spiritual death when He says that the day they taste the fruit they will SURELY die. John 10 says in paraphrase, that you do not have sin if you are not aware of it. He is speaking to the Pharisees and says: But now you say: we see, and so your sin stays on you. That is why a child cannot go to hell just because they were born as sinners, but they go to heaven because they are not aware of committing any sins or no idea about what is right and wrong yet. the moment they are aware of their sin, they are held accountable. Dead in sin means dead to spiritual life, to God, to relationship with him. You do not understand the Gospel on top of that, one needs to BELEIVE on Jesus and yes once you do that, you have been given, you have been covered with His robe of righteousness and born again in your spirit so that you have relationship with God from inside. We are not saved by doing the works of righteousness, that s Roman Catholicism. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ s sacrifice, 1 Corinthians 15, that s the Gospel that saves us. Paul is clear about that. etc..
I came to hear some good arguments against Calvinism, but this is a totally messed up theology.
Paul washer always talks about 1 person called lenord reavin hill , reavin hill was an Armenian. Paul washer is a great preacher and I am an Armenian
I like some Calvinist preachers too. But also some who aren't Calvinists.
John Calvin was a murderer so I would obviously believe the lord than some 16th century murderer. No disrespect to Calvinists. God bless.