Top 10 Bible Verses on Losing Your Salvation | Once Saved Always Saved / Eternal Security Refuted
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- The Bible is full of verses speaking against the false belief that we can’t lose our salvation. (Once saved always saved or also known as eternal security) In this video I put together my top 10 Bible verses that I believe show you can lose your salvation.
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His last comment he said about those that are righteous will go to heaven. So he's going in his own righteousness. No one will be able to boast when they stand before God
If Christ lives through you, it’s his righteousness.
If you have no fruit, you’re not on the branch.
We have the Holy Spirit that keeps us. He also seals us until the day of redemption.
IF you abide & Obey and faint not' like the Apostles taught.
ppl must finish the race, there Is no reward for wandering into ERROR.
A clean soul withOUT wrinkles. With OUT Spots, principles means exactly that!!
obviously you ned to read scriptures in its full counsel.
@@yafois988 I'm glad you are good enough.
@@robroy4058
Sounds like Satan is driving you like a brand new Cadillac
@@yafois988 why, for quoting the Bible and believing the actual good new about the Gospel? Tell me, after you were saved by faith alone through grace alone, what sin is the one the ends it all? Because all Sin = death. So you never sin? Ever? I mean the logic behind your salvation makes no sense. Did Jesus save you or vice versa? I have died to sin because of Christ, I don't desire to sin, but I'm still living a fleshly body.... I confess my sin and repent.... Which is a sign of genuine faith. To I lose my salvation whenever I sin, and hope I got time to ask for forgiveness after?
@@robroy4058
You have been woefully inculcated by the devils in the pulpits and told So MANY Lies you are honestly confounded about principles and what Human nature actually IS and life is about.
Of course the “logic” behind salvation which I mirror of the Apostles taught makes no sense because hasatan via the Pulpit industry, have thoroughly indoctrinated your mind with a plethora of his LIES.
So the ERROR in the fog thru carnal men playing Pastor ppl like mcarthers, Dawsons, Pipers, Washer, Chan, Comfort, Ankerberg, Graham, Zachariah, Meyers, TBN CBN 700club, the top 1000 of ALL them, have done a number on the masses minds.
Faith alone grace alone implies a Unbiblical precept you have a 'SIN Nature or Dual nature' , they LIE telling you ppl this then add more LIES telling you magical transfer of righteousness from Christ "clothes you” in HIS righteousness, and are Under “Grace Alone” type covering .
Because you can NOT cease SINS.
When in fact you can, by choice Just like you can CHOOSE to SIN, as SIN is 100% of the time “A Choice” not a “nature reaction”, as the Apostles and Christ said is a Mandate to.
Your mind is thoroughly inculcated by mcarthers satanic LIES you were borne in SIN via Adom's SIN deeds .
No human IS borne in SIN, Sin is a choice.
YHVH did NOT perpetuate a faulty nature, He allowed CHOICE to exist thus THAT is what makes humans liable on judgement day!!
The LIARS in the pulpits tell you By default you have an Inherited “THING” or SIN compiles nature lurking somehow somewhere inside you when you do not!!
Else humans existence would be a catastrophe.
It is not!!
Thus IF we did,
Making Abraham, Job, Moses, Noam ALL men written were Righteous then a LIE!
See how Backwards the LIES that most All of the pulpits teachings Are????
Genesis 4:7 YHVH told Kain to “RULE OVER IT”.
You cannot RULE over a nature and function as humans are designed by YHVH to.
Your mindset has not been exposed to the facts but deceived by those filthy witches in the pulpits for the last 500 years and especially on YT and ALL the medias in USA that are collectively LYING countless ways .
Your mind has like about 95% ppl been indoctrind to Manichaeism theology, West minister confession of 1639 and the TULIP doctrines and you have I know have never heard of Some of this and so its Stealth LIES have done throw Job on your logic and so of Course truth rails against what YOU have been taught by those devils.
Thru ALL then in the pulpits, Chime the same satanic theology so of course the tiny light I posed, contradict what they LIED to you about and view thru twisted glasses. .
If you never heard of Manichaeism theology then you ARE badly infected with mcarthers satanic LIES and the masses in the pulpits LIES they all chime in chorus!
You are NOT “Grace alone covered” by Christ righteousness that THEY all LIE and say transferred onto YOU.
You are required by the Apostles teaching like in Rev 19:7-9 to Make YOURSELF ready by DYING to SIN like Jain was told to also.
NOT ONE of those filthy devils in pulpits tell you this, NOT ONE!
Their “another gospel” is you were born in SIN so Jesus has etc “Grace alone Cover” it for you and HIS righteousness has to magically Transfer to you.
NO IT DOES NOT!
You make yourself the Fit Vessel, Offer that to Christ in repentance and HOPE he receives your offering.
Salvation is a HOPE”, It is NOT a guarantee, you have NOT made it there as written in the
“Conditions”: set forth to OBEY to DO and to Abide in!
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
N0NE of those devils in the pulpit tell you this Apostle teachings NONE!
They teach you “alternative PENAL substitution logic LIES.
You ae being led to he Slaughter by mcarther and peters and Washer types , the top 1000 in the USA pulpits and will be rejected by Christ for their LIES.
2 John 11, says so!!!
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life..”
Amen!
Amen
Which those who believe OSAS do not.
AJ Louviere yes possibly
@@ajlouviere202 but you do?
Jesus said , that ppl will cry out “ we healed the sick, cast out demand and prophesied a in your name”, and Jesus will tell them,” depart from me, I never knew you,”.
You conveniently ignored the rest of that chapter. Here let me help you out:
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Christ then speaks of the wise man who doing the will of God builds his house on the rock and when the floods came he is okay, whereas the follish man who fails to do his will is figuratively building on sand.
@@JFP1988 do we embrace sin, as a part of life, or reject sin?
Yes right Daniel, but but notice Jesus said I never knew you! Not I knew you once,, but now I don't..! And in the Greek,, never means never!
@@JFP1988 Nd what is the willfully of the father??? Hmm? 🤔 that you believe on Jesus. Not talking about keeping the law, and even keeping all the man made legalistic rules ... some people just don't read within context. It's quite sad.
You walk self condemned.
So true, and such are these who contend with you my friend. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
I’m just gonna listen to Jesus. “He who loves me obeys my commandments”
@Julie Garcia Show me anywhere that the Bible ever says that anyone who doesn't love Jesus would be saved!
1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (accursed) Maranatha
@Julie Garcia What happened to your last comment? I was going to respond to it.
Let me know if you want me to add my response! I do sympathize with what you went through though!
God bless
@Julie Garcia After reading your last comment about your emotional state upon interacting with those Christians, I understood where you're coming from and wanted to speak to that. Hope you are no longer in despair!
Anyway, I would rather speak to you in person via video conference, if you're willing. Because it helps us better understand people and their stories.
God bless
So do you obeyed the old laws or faith in Jesus which is the new law?
Jay,, that's true ,,,but keep reading further,,,, what commandment did he ,Jesus say was the greatest and sums all the commandments up??
I watched this before and thought this was valid but Coming back after studying and being granted more wisdom from the Holy Spirit I see these verses must be read in context while keeping in mind ppl who say that they believe (“the believers”) aren’t necessarily saved.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1John 2:19
And we must know the differences between our calling, our acceptance, justification through our adoption, our sanctification, and glorification.
Correct. Belief is what saves. People fall into unbelief.
If you look at the context of the verse you posted you would see you’re using it out of context. Just check out the verse before that verse. That verse is talking about anti christs in the church who deny Jesus being the son of God. And it is saying they were never a part of them in the first place. That verse is not about osas and people never being believers in the first place. Be careful with throwing the word context around. Look at how easy it is to think you’re in context and be incorrect. The Bible makes it clear. Falling away is a very serious possibility. And living in the flesh even as a Christian results in death. We are told to walk in the spirit and warned about walking in the flesh. Anyways I hope you reconsider and carefully read so that your knowledge leads to more holiness and righteousness. Fear of the lord is where wisdom begins. God bless🙏🏽 hope this helps I don’t mean this in a argumentative way. I just struggled with this topic a lot and want to help others heed the warnings of the Bible instead of following convincing man made doctrines that seem to be valid.
@@thelegendofneo I don’t think anything you said made anything clear to me that I was using the verse out of context.
The ENTIRE CHAPTER is speaking to God’s children (hence, the reoccurring “Little children,….”) which speaks to my point.
Furthermore, Salvation IS a path. Sanctification IS a process. Glorification is the goal… yet we still cannot LOSE salvation because it’s not something you can lose. So if you have fallen or backsliding… it doesn’t mean you are forsaken or condemned. But we can absolutely INTENTIONALLY turn away from him. We can choose sin. Simply choosing our comforts & personal desire over God’s will is stagnancy & disobedience (which is sin); if we choose these things we are quenching the Holy Spirit - searing our Conscience. Eventually we will wither and be cut off and thrown into the fire (John 15).
But the Good News is that Jesus saves and is the author & perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). If we choose to remain in His love, we WILL indeed preserve to the end.
He is our rock. The joy of the Lord is our strength. He himself is our peace and our provider. All we need to do is to choose him over all through everything, every time.
WE CHOOSE.
1 John 2:19 is ONE specific instance. You cannot say every person who ever walks away was never saved from the start just from this one verse... ESPECIALY when you have other verses that say exactly and explicitly that people will fall away from the faith.
@@sqwearl1392 read my comment above 👆
The Gospel is good news!! What good news is this man presenting? The very word saved means saved presently Rom10:13 and permanently! Think about this? what good news is it if you are saved and made a new creation in Christ but can somehow mess that up and lose your salvation? You have to rely on yourself and not Jesus to keep you saved then!!! Hey friends ,he keeps us saved! Jude 1:24
It’s not like a “I lost my keys.” It’s a forfeit. Why would someone want to forfeit their salvation? Idk. But almost every time the Bible mentions permanent salvation is if you remain. Look at Hebrews 10:36 *For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.*
@@andrewdescant4996 Andrew, I appreciate your response... But let's look at the whole chapter before and after and the main points here.. who it was written to also,, Jewish Hebrews who were not all Christians and were looking at going back to their former ways of trusting in the law for salvation.. the writer of Hebrews was speaking to both True believers and those that were on the border and not true believers yet.. so he was encouraging the True believers to be assured of their faith and he was warning those that hadn't put their full trust in Christ to do this or their trampling underfoot Jesus and the message of the Gospel.. as far as enduring Christ endures for us.. he is our everything. And often when the word endure or enduring is used it is used in the context of physical life not.. check it out for yourself.. I hope this makes sense?
@@jayheinz4624 Thanks for correcting me on context. But the word endure is a verb. Meaning it is us who endure. Look at Matthew 24:9-14. It’s talking about the things that will happen before the rapture. Verse 10 says that many will fall away and hate one another. Verse 11 says that false prophets will lead many astray. The word astray means to stray away from the correct path. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 talks exactly about apostasy. The context is about some will depart from the faith. And the word depart means to leave. And you can’t leave something you were never a part of. Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26 speaks similarly. Let’s look at a frequently quoted verse on this topic. Some refer to John 10:28. When Jesus talks about no one can ever snatch a believer out of Christ’s hand. But can they jump? This verse speaks only of someone else taking away your salvation (which is impossible). Not yourself walking away from the foot of the cross.
@@andrewdescant4996 okay but let's look at those verses in Hebrews,, I believe the context is speaking to those Jews that were not saved yet and are thinking about going back to their old ways of the law.. using a lot of justify themselves and their practices of the law.. and on the last part I would say you have to look at who you are in Christ,, you are new,, you have a new heart,,your sins are forgiven as far as from the East to the West,,you are new creation,, and you are sealed until the day of redemption.. you can jump so to speak and slip into carnality or Walk In the flesh for periods of time but you're still a believer in Christ.. you're still justified Romans 5:1,,God has accounted Christ's righteousness to you,, you have the Holy Spirit In You.. again ,sealed forever.. good news!
@@thegoodnewschannelsavedfor3504 Justified by faith. Faith is your doing, God can strengthen your faith, but at the end of the day, you’re in control of your faith. So, you can stop believing. It’s your choice. The context of Hebrews 6:4-6 starts on Hebrews 5:11. It’s called “warnings against apostasy.” Apostasy means to leave your faith. You can’t leave something you were never a part of. So Paul was speaking to believers.
Yes if we continue believing in the gospel, which is if we continue believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, and that he was buried and God raised him from the dead, and long as we keep remembering that we will be saved. Those who stray away from that truth is not saved.
OSAS = once sealed always sealed!
@deja wild ephesians 4 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are SEALED unto the day of redemption
@deja wild again proves eternal security, those who believe in Jesus Christ are the over comers and God will not blot out their names.
1 john 5 4-5 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
@deja wild Good verse to prove eternal security, see it says "i NEVER knew you" and those people trusted in their works not in the blood of Jesus Christ to save them.
@deja wild once someone is born again God knows them, like is says in john "i know my sheep and they hear my voice andthey follow me"
@deja wild you dont argue with my opinion, you argue with the word of God.. You don't know anything about me and telling me that im "deceived and will be left behind with caps lock" tells a lot about your pharisee spirit.
Hebrews 10 was talking about animal sacrifice, when he's writing about sinning willfully, after receiving the knowledge of the truth, he's not talking about going around and breaking in people's homes and stealing their TV, but I'm not saying that you should though, but he's talking about not accepting Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, and God raised him from the dead. And going out and giving burnt animal sacrifices.
Magnus, that's a good point!!and if you don't mind me adding, the right of Hebrews was emphasizing that Jesus is now our high priest!! and there's no need for any more sacrifice! ☺️
Sinning willfully is only about animal sacrifice? Your theology has really boxed you in my friend. Please consider this. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
@@thegreatevangelicaldisaste5604 You are a devil and are totally ignorant of what the Book of Hebrews means.
@@louisfriend6924 instead of accusations, why not share what Jesus teaches about repentance?
Hebrews 10 is saying clearly that sins are no longer being atoned for through the blood of lambs, but now repentance of sin is required.
There are so many, bu one of my favorite verses that prove OSAS is wrong is 1 Corinthians 15:2 "By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." To maintain our salvation, we need to keep believing that Jesus is our Savior. God bless.
@Liberating Theology Thanks for the comment, dear brother. However, OSAS is, as I previosuly pointed out, wrong. We can't put all people in the same sack; it's not just you were either saved o you were not to begin with. I understand your position; I'm not trying to change your view. Anyway, if one is firm in the faith, there's nothing really to worry about; this shouldn't drive anyone crazy as it did you, as you stated towards at the end of your comment. Apostasy, though, is a real possibility for those brethren who eventually walk away from the faith. No one loses their salvation overnight; that's just ridiculous. Apostasy is the last stage for someone who hasn't been in communion with the Lord for quite some time. There have been brethren who renounced their faith in Jesus Christ, saying things like "I believe in Jesus no more." or "The Bible is just a fairy tale." or "Jesus was just a good teacher, but he is not the Savior." etc. These people have abandoned their initial salvific faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you don't accept this, then you have an erronenous definition of the word apostasy. What is apostasy for you, dear brother? Is it just walking away from a Christian community or congregation but were never really saved? Well, that's very Calvinistic. God bless.
@Liberating Theology That's certainly another group of individuals; that's why I wrote earlier "We can't put all people in the same sack". There are those who were never saved; there are those who are saved and eventually get the promise of eternal life; and there are those who were saved but then apostatized. God bless.
Amen
@Liberating Theology I used to believe in the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) which deceives people by making them think that all they have to do to be saved is believe in Jesus yet they can still live in their sins. God led me to the truth and convicted me of sins. Jesus said the way that leads to life is narrow and difficult and FEW will find it (Matt. 7:14). Only believing is a broad easy way that leads to destruction.
Obedience is required to receive eternal life according to Jesus-> Jesus said, “He who believes in the Son/Jesus has eternal life, but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36).
Jesus “became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him” (Heb. 5:9). We are “justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24). Jesus said “I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds” (Rev. 2:23).
Obedience is important. You can’t cherry pick scriptures. Please seek the scriptures for yourself and ask the Father to reveal the truth to you.
We show our love towards God by keeping His commandments (John 14:15). Love is a verb. It is through our actions that we show our love to God. “Let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth” (1 John 3:18).
The Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God (Acts 5:32).
Jesus says we will be given the Holy Spirit after we show our love for Him by keeping His commandments -> “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever” (John 14:15-16). The Helper is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, who will teach you all things and guide you into all the truth (John 16:13). The Holy Spirit will convict you of sin and correct you. “Those whom the Lord loves He disciplines” (Heb. 12:6).
We will never be perfect while we are still in our flesh but His Holy Spirit helps us to sin less and practice righteousness. “The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning” (1 John 3:7).
“Whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight” (1 John 3:22).
Jesus promised He would keep His faithful people from the ‘Hour of Testing’ because they have kept His commands (Rev. 3:10).
“If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matt. 19:17).
“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3).
*** Jesus said the great and first Commandment is to LOVE God with all your heart, soul and mind and the second is to love others as yourself (Mat. 22:36-39). Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law (Mat. 22:40), meaning that all 10 commandments are based on those 2 commandments.
** The 10 Commandments: 1) Do not put anything ahead of God. 2) Do not make or worship idols. 3) Do not take the name of God in vain. 4) Keep the Sabbath holy and do not work on the Sabbath in honor of God (the true Sabbath is Saturday). 5) Honor your father and mother. 6) Do not commit murder. (Jesus said if you hate anyone you commit murder in your heart). 7) Do not commit adultery. (Jesus said if you look with lust on anyone you commit adultery in your heart). 8) Do not steal. 9) Do not tell lies against anyone. 10) Do not covet other people's possessions.
- If you are left behind after the Rapture, you may have an idol. Having an idol means loving anything more than God. Idols can be persons, places or things. God hates idols and wants to be #1 your heart. If you seek God first, He will take care of all your needs (Mat. 6:33).
- Having unforgiveness in your heart is another reason you could be left behind. “If you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions” (Mat. 6:15). Ask God to help you forgive others, He was the only way I was able to be able to forgive certain people. Jesus is our greatest example because while he was being tortured and killed, He forgave them. “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Mat. 5:44).
** Jesus said that not all who say to him “Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who DO the Will of the father” MANY will say to him on that day “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons and in Your name perform many miracles?” And he will say to them “I never knew you, leave Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Matt. 7:21-23). “Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and SIN IS LAWLESSNESS” (1 John 3:4).
-> Who are the people that Jesus will say this to on judgement day?? Believers who practice lawlessness/SIN.
** We can lose our salvation. Even while Jesus was here on earth, some of His disciples walked away and stopped following Him (John 6:66). It says that they are disciples! Which means they obviously believed and followed Him but stopped following Him.
** Read the the parable of the sower in Mark 4 & Matthew 13 to see that we can fall away due to things like persecution, worries or worldly desires.
Jesus said, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and FOLLOW ME.”
Jesus tells us to repent (Mat. 4:17). Repentance is an honest, regretful acknowledgement of your sins with commitment to change. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God” (Heb. 10:26-31).
@@Yahshuaismyeverything Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22). None of us has endured to the end. Conclusion:
We're not saved. And we won't be until we receive the gift of eternal life at Jesus' return. Only then will we have eternal security.
Meanwhile in the mortal life we may enter *justification* with God . . . and we can fall away from justification. We have many warnings not to let that happen.
The apostle Paul wrote that we have "the hope of salvation":
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; also Peter in Acts 15:11).
We'll be saved - from ever perishing in death - when we receive the promised gift of eternal life at Jesus' "revelation" -His return:
■ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25).
■ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13; also 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)
Did Paul teach OSAS? Of course not. Paul had the holy spirit. And he understood that even after preaching to others, he could possibly return to a life of sin and therefore be rejected, a "castaway":
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Take home: In this mortal life we may enter *_justification_* with God . . . and while we remain in justification we are "in His goodness" (Rom 11:22) or grace, and we have that "hope of salvation." But we can fall away from justification and return to condemnation, no longer "in His goodness" and forfeiting that "hope of salvation."
So, who is in justification, not under condemnation? Those who are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following (not ignoring) the holy spirit:
■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)
Note the IFs:
■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14)
And note the warnings:
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
Romans 8:12 -There is no condemnation to those who WALK after the spirit and NOT the flesh”
Tanisha, great verse, that's right!! And do you know that in most translations there's a period after that first part of the verse?! There is now no more condemnation for those in Christ Jesus..!. There was a certain scribe that interpreted it in translation to put a comma after that.. check out Andrew Farley's explanation sometime.. he's a doctorate in linguistics and theology..
Amen Tanisha! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
Romans 8 tells us “life” cannot separate us believers from the love of Jesus Christ. Chew on that a bit.
James 5:19-20:
19My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you strays from the truth and someone turns him back, 20let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
@@ajlouviere202 1 John 2:19
New International Version
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
That verse does not say a person can leave or did leave.
@@Orbservation
John 15:1-8:
1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2Every branch in me that does not produce fruit he removes, and he prunes every branch that produces fruit so that it will produce more fruit. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I in you. Just as a branch is unable to produce fruit by itself unless it remains on the vine, neither can you unless you remain in me. 5I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples.
@@ajlouviere202 John 6:39-40 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me,(J) but raise them up at the last day.(K) 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son(L) and believes in him shall have eternal life,(M) and I will raise them up at the last day.” No passage says a believer will not end up in heaven. Jesus said he will lose none and will bring them all to heaven. Whatever you think such passages mean they do not mean a believer can be
Lost.
Hi! I think those are outside forces. How about you as the human chose to turn your back to God free willing, wouldn't that be a reason of losing your salvation?
“For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]. For we are His workmanship [His own master work, a work of art], created in Christ Jesus [reborn from above-spiritually transformed, renewed, ready to be used] for good works, which God prepared [for us] beforehand [taking paths which He set], so that we would walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us].”
Ephesians 2:8-10 AMP
Nice use of a corrupted version of Gods word
@@Chaplain_GM what’s different with original version
1 JOHN 3:9 EXPLAINED
ua-cam.com/video/iwoIq435MME/v-deo.html
Your 'easy grace' - nothing required - is rank heresy. Have you not read that Jesus is
■ "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Hebrews 5:9) ???
Who gets the grace?
*Believers* . . . Those who - like Abraham - act on their faith and obey God. Otherwise their faith is DEAD.
What are we commanded to do?
■ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
Follow directions, and we'll receive His promised mercy:
■ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
Follow directions, and our past sins will be blotted out:
■ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV).
Follow directions, and we'll enter "the presence of the Lord": we'll receive the gift of the holy spirit, given "to them that obey Him" and "repent":
■ "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." (Acts 5:32)
■ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
But if we choose not to follow directions, what happens? We'll receive no mercy and no redemption. We'll perish, paying our own death penalty for sin. That's why Jesus warned:
■ "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Jesus, in Luke 13:5)
Peter makes it clear: come to repentance, or else perish:
■ "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)
Why does repentance matter? Jesus is the potter, we are the clay. He is creating men and women fit to be the Father's eternal sons and daughters. Unless we are workable - in repentance - He cannot work with us. Jesus says:
■ "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Jesus, in Revelation 3:19)
Did Jesus tell His disciples to preach "faith alone" or "just trust Jesus"?
No: Jesus told His disciples to preach "repentance and remission of sins":
■ "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that *repentance and remission of sins* should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:45-47)
Unfortunately there are many preaching "faith alone" instead. Beware of them, because their "faith alone," "just trust Jesus" message is a sly, sneaky way of saying neither obedience nor repentance are required.
No grace, no mercy, no love describes this man's gospel perfectly.
I'm curious to know how you believe that one can enter heaven without repentance?
@@ajlouviere202 BLOOD??? 😐
@@ajlouviere202 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
For You. ♥️
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
For You ♥️
@@michaelnelson9211 the scriptures bear witness to the truth, and it's the truth that makes us free.
Jesus the Light of the World
(1 John 1:5-10)
12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
21Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him.
The Truth will Set You Free
(2 John 1:4-6)
31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
The Children of the Devil
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Before Abraham Was, I Am
48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by (John 8:12-59).
Part 7 you cannot keep yourselves ation by your works if I have to keep from sinning in order to get saved or to keep saved what I can do is boast in front of God telling God look at me I can keep my salvation by my Works which is exactly what you're doing you think you can keep your salvation by living in acting a good way well if you can keep your salvation by your own physical hands then Christ has died in vain you think you can keep it. In the Book of James the reason why Peters group is ordered to endure and to keep the faith is because they have to endure the tribulation we as the body of Christ aren't going through the tribulation our Salvation is in the heavens we are not promised the Earth as the body of Christ
Eternal life is FREE (means Christ gave his life for us)
Discipleship is not free (means we give our life to follow Christ)
Case in point:
Luke 14:26-33
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
You will endure hardships, especially in those days where being Christian persecution was more harsh and prevalent. You all mix the two. Not all believers will be disciples and not all disciples will be believers. Rightfully divide and pay attention to the meaning of words and there different usage. Disciple is simply one who follows after another as their apprentice. Just like salvation is the process of being removed from a harm or threat. Doesn't always refer to spiritual salvation.
Do not turn a blind eye to these facts. Collin and a lot of those who follow his channel will NOT wrestle and reconcile these facts yet they believe they have the truth.
There is no difference between fellowship with Christ and discipleship under Christ.
@@ajlouviere202 when did I ever say there was a difference between fellowship & discipleship? I agree they are synonymous in terms of obedience. What's your point?
@Ronel Delariarte what is your interpretation?
@@shaunwilliams2312 is repentance a work?
@@ajlouviere202 you keep asking me the same questions over and over and over again. Please just give your explanation with your verses because every time I answer you, you side step the issue.
I’m just here to tell you if you want to hear the true gospel don’t believe these videos. Read the gospel the whole gospel.
We have to continue in the faith-the faith that Jesus has saved me once for all-if I don't profess that, it's evident it never happened
Yes I agree that Jesus saved us once and for all! 👍 But there's no continuing,, it's not about continuing.. it's about who we are as New creations in Christ,, we have been changed our old life our old self was crucified and is dead.. remember we have a new heart 💙 and we are now sealed until the day redemption.. think about that? sealed until the day of redemption.. !!
Faith is far more than a profession, even if it is continual. The Biblical definition of faith is faithfulness in following the commandments of Christ. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
I used to believe in the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) which deceives people by making them think that all they have to do to be saved is believe in Jesus yet they can still live in their sins. God led me to the truth and convicted me of sins. Jesus said the way that leads to life is narrow and difficult and FEW will find it (Matt. 7:14). Only believing is a broad easy way that leads to destruction.
Obedience is required to receive eternal life according to Jesus-> Jesus said, “He who believes in the Son/Jesus has eternal life, but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36).
Jesus “became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him” (Heb. 5:9). We are “justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24). Jesus said “I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds” (Rev. 2:23).
Obedience is important. You can’t cherry pick scriptures. Please seek the scriptures for yourself and ask the Father to reveal the truth to you.
We show our love towards God by keeping His commandments (John 14:15). Love is a verb. It is through our actions that we show our love to God. “Let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth” (1 John 3:18).
The Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God (Acts 5:32).
Jesus says we will be given the Holy Spirit after we show our love for Him by keeping His commandments -> “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever” (John 14:15-16). The Helper is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, who will teach you all things and guide you into all the truth (John 16:13). The Holy Spirit will convict you of sin and correct you. “Those whom the Lord loves He disciplines” (Heb. 12:6).
We will never be perfect while we are still in our flesh but His Holy Spirit helps us to sin less and practice righteousness. “The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning” (1 John 3:7).
“Whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight” (1 John 3:22).
Jesus promised He would keep His faithful people from the ‘Hour of Testing’ because they have kept His commands (Rev. 3:10).
“If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matt. 19:17).
“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3).
*** Jesus said the great and first Commandment is to LOVE God with all your heart, soul and mind and the second is to love others as yourself (Mat. 22:36-39). Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law (Mat. 22:40), meaning that all 10 commandments are based on those 2 commandments.
** The 10 Commandments: 1) Do not put anything ahead of God. 2) Do not make or worship idols. 3) Do not take the name of God in vain. 4) Keep the Sabbath holy and do not work on the Sabbath in honor of God (the true Sabbath is Saturday). 5) Honor your father and mother. 6) Do not commit murder. (Jesus said if you hate anyone you commit murder in your heart). 7) Do not commit adultery. (Jesus said if you look with lust on anyone you commit adultery in your heart). 8) Do not steal. 9) Do not tell lies against anyone. 10) Do not covet other people's possessions.
- If you are left behind after the Rapture, you may have an idol. Having an idol means loving anything more than God. Idols can be persons, places or things. God hates idols and wants to be #1 your heart. If you seek God first, He will take care of all your needs (Mat. 6:33).
- Having unforgiveness in your heart is another reason you could be left behind. “If you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions” (Mat. 6:15). Ask God to help you forgive others, He was the only way I was able to be able to forgive certain people. Jesus is our greatest example because while he was being tortured and killed, He forgave them. “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Mat. 5:44).
** Jesus said that not all who say to him “Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who DO the Will of the father” MANY will say to him on that day “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons and in Your name perform many miracles?” And he will say to them “I never knew you, leave Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Matt. 7:21-23). “Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and SIN IS LAWLESSNESS” (1 John 3:4).
-> Who are the people that Jesus will say this to on judgement day?? Believers who practice lawlessness/SIN.
** We can lose our salvation. Even while Jesus was here on earth, some of His disciples walked away and stopped following Him (John 6:66). It says that they are disciples! Which means they obviously believed and followed Him but stopped following Him.
** Read the the parable of the sower in Mark 4 & Matthew 13 to see that we can fall away due to things like persecution, worries or worldly desires.
Jesus said, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and FOLLOW ME.”
Jesus tells us to repent (Mat. 4:17). Repentance is an honest, regretful acknowledgement of your sins with commitment to change. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God” (Heb. 10:26-31).
1 JOHN 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The biggest flaw in the thinking of the enemies of Eternal Security is that they fail to realize just how sinful they are themselves. Their own pride and arrogance blind them. They hypocritically condemn other believers who live in unrepentant sin or backslide, failing to realize that they're just as sinful in God's eyes. If salvation can be lost, then who is righteous enough to keep their own salvation? Only a self-righteous hypocrite would claim to be sinless, holly and righteous enough to please God and earn their place in Glory. The Word of God in the Old Testament puts them to shame...
Isaiah 64:6, “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
As for me I am a filthy rotten sinner deserving the pits of Hell and the ONLY righteousness I have is the Imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ:
“And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was IMPUTED to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be IMPUTED, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead” (Romans 4:22-24).
“To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God. So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.
...He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will NOT erase his name from the book of life..He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
In other words, believers names can and will be erased from the book. Apparently those early believers did not believe that they could lose their salvation either, and Jesus spoke in a special revealation to sinners? No to believers, to us.
Rev 1-3
@Julie Garcia Content must be read in Context. Jesus is rebuking them. He says that if they do not repent, He will erase their name from the book of life. You can not erase or blot something out unless it is already written down.
These are not suggestions or recommendations. Jesus is warning us. I don't think you commit a sin and then oops your are no longer saved. We have no way of knowing when a person has walked away from their salvation, only God knows that.
But we would do well to believe what Jesus is saying to us, no matter how much it goes against what we have been taught. We have to take the whole counsel of the Word.
I think your premise that belief is repentance is not borne out in scripture. The biblical definition of repentance is to turn away from sin.
James says that the demons believe and tremble. Remeber faith without works is dead.
When we read scripture we have to be open to have our theology challenged by the Word.
Many people believe in Jesus, but to many He will say depart from me I never knew you, you workers of inquity.
@Julie Garcia Given the scriptural evidence, I believe that you are not accepting the full counsel of the Word. I have given my opinion based on what I believe to be scriptural evidence. You have the perogative to disagree with me, but I have no desire to denigrate you or attack your faith, because you do not agree with me.
This is one of the main reasons that we are unable to have peaceful discourse, even in the church. It's sad. I agree to disagree with you. God bless you
@Sonny Bruschetta
Uh my kind? Okay thanks
@Sonny Bruschetta No you didn't but it's okay.
now read the verses that say God keeps us forever
I John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.". I'm sealed by God the Holy Spirit and God's seed remains in me and I cannot sin! Therefore I cannot depart from the faith, therefore I shall endure till the end and all this depends on God's work in me and not upon anything I do or do not do and God's statement that I cannot sin!!
I’ve never seen someone blindly pick verses like this before … praying for you man
I've often seen someone blindly ignore verses like this before...praying for them NOT.
Once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons
Thanks for the list. I think that the following two texts are proof-texts that we can lose our salvation.
John 15 teaches that we can lose our salvation, especially the verse 2: "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." Is not a branch in Christ a person who did abide in Christ, but was taken away because the lack of the fruit? How can you be in Christ, but not be saved? Therefore, John 15:2 teaches that a person who did abide in Christ (i.e., saved person) can be taken away, i.e., lose salvation.
Romans 11 teaches that we can lose our salvation, especially verses 21-22. "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off" (Romans 11:21-22 KJV).
Amen. I have gone to popular Calvinist websites to see how they get around the clear reading of John 15 and it’s almost like they literally don’t know what to do and just try to talk a lot and hope people will overlook it. It’s co clear the branch was in Jesus and we are the branches. They said, well we just shouldn’t press the issue too much and look to deeply into Jesus’ words because we know you can’t lose salvation from other scriptures. It’s very frustration. I’m trying to dispel the lies about this doctrine on my channel one by one. God bless you.
Agreed! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
This will be a fun video to debunk.
If you continue in the faith or return to the faith (no mention of works) you will be saved you have the root of the matter in you i have know many people who professed faith but eventually left some have since died 😥🙏
Or what The beat by Allan Parr said about this is like you weren't even saved in the first place
There are Scriptures that tell us we can lose our salvation
If the analysis of Jesus' words in the couplet above is correct, then there can be no Scriptures to tell us we lose our salvation because the Bible does not contradict itself. If someone still maintains that salvation can be lost, then he must address what Christ says in John 8:29 and John 6:39. Nevertheless, the Bible must be understood as a whole; and if we have a set of verses on the subject of eternal security and one set of Scriptures can only be interpreted in one way and other Scriptures can be interpreted in different ways, then the latter must be interpreted in a manner consistent with the former. Otherwise, we are setting Scripture against Scripture.
@@tdickensheets 1 Timothy 4
@@tdickensheets you do realize there isn't any contradiction in the bible, right ?
John 10:28-30
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Careful saying there are scripture that tell us we can lose salvation.
Because that would just put contradiction in the bible.
@@gatzu8599 Jesus literally Said in John 15 " Abide in my Love" you realize what Grace is? Its Love. You must abide.
@@archaicgoon5990 grace is the free gift of salvation, not of ourselves or our works
-Ephesians 2:8-9
Jesus died to save you.
Not that Jesus's sacrifice was not enough, that we have to add on more works to "really" be saved
man I dont know what to do i want to repent but I keep falling and I've done it so much times. If I repent today can God still forgive me. I'm only 13 years old and i don't know what to do anymore. please help me im struggling i have no one else to talk to.
I suggest you watch this video. It helped me so much. ua-cam.com/video/yS-gB5MyGwg/v-deo.html
@DBA E.... When you fail... repent ... God will pick you back up. Ask God to help you in the areas you are failing in. No one is perfect but as long as we have a humble repentant heart then God knows we are trying. If you fail... then repent every time. You might ask in what areas are you failing ... and reflect on it.
I will give you some Bible verses. God is the only one who knows you heart. Read Romans 10:9. Confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord confess your sins and ask for forgiveness believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross to save you for from your sins now and for eternity. If you still wonder whether or not you are saved ask the holy spirit to guide you and study the word of God on both sides take both sides of the consideration and see where God leads you. I lived a terrible life I was saved at 5 years old and I love Jesus with trials and tribulations came my way I went the exact opposite way but in my heart I still felt convicted and I still felt pulled to God until finally I had to answer the pool back to God. People fall away people sinned and there are times that we turn away it doesn't mean that we are unsaved it means that we are human and we all fall short of the glory of God but God is always there to welcome us back. When you read in the Old Testament when he talks about the Israelites how many times they send against him how many times they cursed God and some of them yes were destroyed because they went too far but many of them were also redeemed over and over and over again and it doesn't give us a license to sin but we do send and the difference is when you're saved you feel convicted about your sin. To me with how you feel what you just said it sounds to me like you're saved and that your heart is aching because you have sinned that is a real indication that you are saved and that you want to serve God. In that case what I would suggest you do is you pray to God ask the Holy Spirit to fill you study your Bible put on the whole armor of God and read about that too because that is very important put on the whole armor of God and deny your sin. You're still going to slip up every once in awhile but knowing that you are with Christ and that Christ forgives you and he does not condemn you and all he wants you to do is come to him and try to be better than you were before that is the amazing gift that Christ gives to us keep Faith sweetheart you're on the right track if you need anything let me know I'm more than happy to share my knowledge and the Bible with you and I always suggest that you test everything against the word of God and you always ask the holy spirit for discernment truth and wisdom. God bless
Here are channels for you. True godly teachings. mike winter ( he has a live Q and A on Friday) pastors perspective ( radio station taking live questions and you tube videos). Ravi zakerius, nabeel kureshi ( the last two have passed away but have a lot of on line content.) but these videos are false and no one can live a sinless life. Only Jesus can. This does not mean you can just go on sinning, it does mean repenting and turning from sin, but you will still sin because we all do. But if you believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, that God sent him to earth to die for your sins an that he rose again and now lives in heaven as and with God. If you repent (truly repent, meaning you really know you are a sinner and need the grace of Jesus) then you are saved. There will be a change in your life, an immediate change but there is still a life long walk, growing and changing in Christ. (Maturing)
Wow 13!! Young person,If you put your faith in Jesus , and asked him to save you you are a new creation in Christ ,you are born again and saved forever!! It's no longer you who wants to sin it's your old nature you have a new heart now! And your new heart wants to follow Jesus! Your sins have been forgiven! Does this help?
Thank you for clearifying this much debated truth brother. I wish every believer would see this!
Charles Dial - The truth is, if you do not do what you confess you believe, you really do not believe what you are confessing! Blessings!
He is a false teacher.
@golightly5121 Though i dont agree with him.
.calling someone a false teacher because of difference in theology or beliefs is stupid...unless of course he is pointing to another way of salvation which is not in Christ..but he didn't
Your sermon ichanged my life
we are saved by grace not the law
@@angelpaige1500 What do the writers of the NT mean by the "Law"?
Good for you Pamela! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
I agree with you 💯 percent Colin. It is as clear as day you can revert back to sin. People are so blind in the churches today.
Jesus Christ died on the cross was buried in a tomb and resurrected on the 3rd day.
Michael Nelson
I know
@@brysonvines3030 Children can be saved you know? 😐
I Asked You A Question: Do You Believe Children Can Be Saved? 🧐
CHILDREN!!!!! By grace though faith in Christ alone and no works. Children saved. Yes or no. simple question!! 😐
Beautiful put together .Thank you, I just hope the "once saved -always saved" Believers come to their senses
You believe you can lose salvaion?
Did Jesus Christ give you probationry life? :O
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@@MrTall23 sup
Amen. Johan. Pastor Ben does an excellent job laying out verse after verse supporting the gospel by which we must be saved. The problem, I would submit, lies much deeper though. Those who hold to OSAS have a patented response to all of these examples. They also hold to their own set of verses which they believe supports their position. If anyone is truly interested in finding the truth, he has to begin with the flawed foundation of the greater conservative evangelical gospel represented by the likes of MacArthur, Piper, Mohler, Grudem, Stanley, Begg and many others. Because they misinterpret what true faith entails, what true grace is and what it does, and thereby, what justification itself is, their gospel is so skewed, it leads to the devastating conclusion that to whom so much has been given, nothing could ever be expected pertaining to salvation. If you are interested in pursuing this, it is all laid out for you in this UA-cam channel/podcast. Here is an unsolicited 40 second video endorsement that I happened to stumble upon. ua-cam.com/video/pg8EcvUea-QH/v-deo.htmlere is the UA-cam channel playlist: ua-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
Faith without works is dead works without faith is dead ie conditional
That's why there's a lot of Christian who backslide and turn away from their faith because of the belief that "the salvation can be lost"
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Ezekiel 18, Hebrews 6:4-6. John 15. Ezekiel 18 explains it perfectly. Amen. Thank you Jesus.
Out of context
@@jeremylehman8560 exactly, none of those verses contradict these ...
John 10:28-30
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Eternal security
Indeed! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
John 10:28 is all you need to know on OSAS, his interpretation of the scriptures are flawed. How do even use Ezekiel when Jesus hadn't even died for our sins at that point. Were under the new covenant, Christ's covenant
@@jackdiddIey Re: John 10:28. No one ELSE can separate us from God. But we ourselves - and ONLY we ourselves - can choose to walk away from Him. What happens then?
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
In fact the very idea that we're already "saved" - done deal - is incorrect. Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22).
The apostle Paul wrote that we have "the hope of salvation":
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; also Peter in Acts 15:11).
We'll be saved - from ever perishing in death - when we receive the promised gift of eternal life at Jesus' "revelation" -His return:
■ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25).
■ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13; also 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)
Did Paul teach OSAS? Of course not. Paul had the holy spirit. And he understood that even after preaching to others, he could possibly return to a life of sin and therefore be rejected, a "castaway":
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Take home: In this mortal life we may enter *_justification_* with God . . . and while we remain in justification we are "in His goodness" (Rom 11:22) or grace, and we have that "hope of salvation." But we can fall away from justification and return to condemnation, no longer "in His goodness" and forfeiting that "hope of salvation."
So, who is in justification, not under condemnation? Those who are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following (not ignoring) the holy spirit:
■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)
Note the IFs:
■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14)
I guess you believe people are constantly losing salvation and getting it back, the moment they do something wrong and the moment they do something right respectively.
This comment makes no sense because spiritual death does not take place until after your physical death.
Shaun sadly does not understand repentance and working out your salvation, and that these are both part of faith and following Christ. He believes that faith is a one shot deal and that freedom in Christ means that you can continue living worldly and not keep the faith. No denying self, no taking up the cross, no following Christ by his example, no sacrifice of fleshly desires, and no endurance until the end. Just the faithless approach that Jesus died on the cross for them to remain a part of the world. OSAS tramples the blood of Christ underfoot.
@@RobertMOdell ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Paul is talking to people who are ALIVE and yet said how they were dead in the past.
Try again.
@@ajlouviere202 no sadly you think you can do something that the blood of Christ can't, which is get you saved and keep you saved. I've never advocated sinning one time (which is a ploy that you all do). Paul said if salvation came by works then Christ died for nothing
Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
@@shaunwilliams2312 here is what was spoken prior to verse 21 which gives the proper context:
15We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Galatians 2:15-21).
What must we do to maintain our salvation? if a person says he stays saved by remaining faithful and or being obedient to God, then isn't he saying that he is maintaining his salvation by being good? It is a good thing to be faithful to God. It is a good thing to obey God. But is this how we are saved or stay saved? Does our salvation rest in any way on how good we are?
For me, this is dangerously close to works righteousness. If we have to maintain our salvation that would mean salvation has something to do with us, with how good, faithful, obedient we are, we are contradicting Ephesians.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV)
Works salvation anyone? If you must endure to the end to stay saved that is certainly works
How is wanting to live right for God is works?
You wrote *_"If you must endure to the end to stay saved that is certainly works"_*
1.) "Stay saved"??? We must endure to the end to *_BE_* saved:
■ "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22)
In this mortal life we are not yet saved. If we are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following the holy spirit, we are in *_justifiation_* -not under condemnation:
■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)
If we are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following the holy spirit, we are "in His goodness" or grace (Romans 11:22) and we have *_the hope of salvation_* . . . the promised gift of eternal life, to be received at Jesus' "revelation" -His return:
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9).
■ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25).
■ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13; also 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)
If we no longer abide in Him, and even revert to a life of willful sin, what happens? We fall away from justification, and forfeit that hope of salvation:
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27)
Judgment is on "the house of God" - His church, His people -right now:
■ "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
2.) Faith without works is dead:
■ "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:20-24)
True *_believing_* goes beyond "faith only." Believers act on their faith and obey god. Abraham acted on his faith and obeyed . . . that was his "works" . . . nothing to do with Paul's "works of the law" (Romans 3,4 5) . . . nothing to do with "good works" (Eph 2:10) done for others.
Jesus saves believers: those who act on their faith and obey God. Connecting the dots: Jesus is
■ "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Hebrews 5:9)
What are we told to do?
■ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
Follow directions, and we'll receive His promised mercy:
■ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
■ "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Notice how Jesus says that a characteristic of those who are saved is that they follow him.
-John 10:27
"“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
The ones who do the will of the father are saved. Works don't save. Rather, it's a characteristic of those who are saved.
- Matthew 7:21
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"And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief."
You see. Believe includes obedience.
- Hebrews 3:17-19
"But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
- Matthew 24:13
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Indeed! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
@Sonny Bruschetta with faith comes commitment.
Yes, believers are those who act on their faith and obey God. Today Jesus is:
■ "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Hebrews 5:9)
That connects the dots with John 3:16:
■ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
True *_believers_* -like Abraham- are those who act on their faith and obey God. True *_believing_* goes *beyond* "faith only." Here's James:
■ "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:20-24)
So we see that true believing goes beyond "faith only." Abraham could have trusted God's promise . . . but chosen to stay in the comfort of home rather than obey and leave for the promised land (Hebrews 11:8). In that case His faith would have been DEAD.
Faith is intellectual trust that something's true. Believing is acting on that faith, obeying God. Otherwise that faith is dead:
■ "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2:26)
What are we told to do?
■ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
Follow directions, and we'll receive His promised mercy:
■ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
How did Nineveh receive God's mercy? They changed their mind about continuing in sin. They "turned from their evil way" and turned to do God's will.
■ "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." (Jonah 3:10)
Here's what Jesus had to say about Nineveh. Note this: He used "repentance" in reference to turning from sin:
■ "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they *repented* at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." (Jesus, in Matthew 12:41)
*_Through_* faith (Eph 2:8) we see the need to "come to God" (Hebrews 11:6) on His terms. If we come to God as instructed, we'll enter His promised mercy.
We'll have "remission of sins that are past" (Romasn 3:25). We'll be "purged" of our "old sins" (2 Peter 1:9). The old sins will be "blotted out":
■ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV).
And *_how_* do we enter "the presence of the Lord"? By receiving the holy spirit, given *_"to them that obey Him"_* and *_"repent":_*
■ "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." (Acts 5:32)
■ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
I wouldn't be a *believer* unless I obeyed and chose to come to God confessing and forsaking sin. Only *_through_* faith that God exists and rewards would I ever see the need to "come to God" and please Him. Without faith, it would be impossible for me to choose to come to God:
■ "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)
It's *_coming to God_* on His terms that pleases Him, and for which we receive His promised mercy . . . "faith only" is not enough. Faith is given to us to call us (Eph 2:8). Question is, will we answer the call and come to God on His terms?
ps Believers have entered *_justification._* While they abide in Jesus is repentance, following the holy spirit [they must be in repentance in order to follow the holy spirit] they are not under condemnation:
■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)
While they abide in Him in repentance, following the holy spirit, they remain "in His goodness" or grace. Otherwise, they'll be "cut off":
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
While they abide in Him in repentance, following the holy spirit, believers have "the hope of salvation": the promised gift of eternal life, to be received at Jesus' "revelation" -His return:
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9).
■ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25).
■ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13; also 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)
@Sonny Bruschetta So, who gets saved? Jesus is
■ "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Hebrews 5:9)
True *_believers_* -like Abraham- are those who act on their faith and obey God.
Otherwise their faith is dead.
Abraham obeyed and left of the promised land, and later offered Isaac.:
■ "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:20-24)
So we see that believing goes beyond "faith only." Believers are those who act on their faith and obey God.
We cannot be saved by what we do , but solely by what God has done for all ! John 3:16 God will never leave you or forsake you when your saved !
Yes really good Joel ,so true! and that is my favorite eternal security verse!! And he will never leave us,, or forsakas and never means never!
You are right
@@pavelbee8386 Pavel, if you look and see the translation in the Greek for the word abide means to rest in him
. And in the book of Hebrews Paul talks about how we are already resting in Christ. Also we have been given a new heart where Christ lives see you Romans and Hebrews about that.. and we are New creations in Christ Jesus and sealed until the day of redemption and nothing un seals us.. this is the good news!
You need to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. - Philippians 12:2
KJV 2Chronicles 15:2 : …the Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. It says the same thing in 1Chron. 28:9. Revelation 3:16…Jesus says that if you become Lukewarm that he will spit you out of his mouth(his body). You had to have been in his body at one time or how could he spit you out!
This interpretation of scripture is the wisdom of men as Paul taught, eternal security is the wisdom of God.
eternal security is satans lie
There are so many Scripture passages that do infact suggest you can be regenerated and then fall away. The Bible, however, also clearly teaches that God’s elect will endure to the end. The problematic situation is that we do not know who the elect are this side of eternity! What I do notice is that this guy, much like 5 point
This video demonstrates misunderstanding about how salvation works. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and Christ alone, not by works. It would not make a lot of sense if we had to keep it by works. Additionally, Christ made several promises in John about how eternal life cannot be lost. If that's not enough, In Roman 8:30 says "whom He justified, these He also glorified".
As to answers for these passages:
10. The word for "soul" can refer to physical life (eg. Matt 10:39)
9. There is something lost in translation here: "Ye continue in the faith grounded and settled" is something that is assumed true. The intent here is not a condition. This would actually support Calvinism, but there is another possibility that "ye" refers to the church, which would eliminate that from the question as well.
8. Context - next verse indicates this is about the tribulation period. This, and Matthew 24:13, are talking about the end of the tribulation and has nothing to do with eternal salvation.
7. False analogy - Jesus only died for human beings, not angels.
6. So what? Says nothing about what happens to those who depart from the faith. This seems to be more of an argument against Calvinism. Calvinists are not the only ones who believe in OSAS. Free grace teaches that too.
5. Context is dealing specifically with reverting back to Judaism, not just general sins. The usual response is that this passage (and Heb. 6:4-6) has to deal with rewards and not salvation.
4. Two natures, see Romans 7:17-20.
3. Again "soul" can refer to physical life (this time see Judges 9:17). Some translations don't even use the word "soul" here. Additionally, if this refers to eternal salvation, it would imply that a person saves himself which contradicts the rest of the bible.
1.2. These are probably the most problematic one here. The explanations I can find says that this is about discipleship and fellowship.
1 Timothy 4
They were people who departed from the faith. They LOST their salvation.
A person who becomes faithless cannot enter heaven
Matthew 24:13 is saying if we do not endure, tribulation only or not, if we do not endure during the tribulation, we will lose our salvation!!!
Go read Ezekiel 33:13-20, if a righteous person returns to their wicked ways, all their righteousness will be forgotten!!!
@@elijahhernandez3934 The word "saved" does not have to refer to eternal salvation. For example, Peter asks Christ to save him from drowning, same word.
Regarding Ezekiel 33, I have not read the context, but that seems to be referring to physical death.
I'm not going to keep discussing that point from 1 Tim because that's a logical issue rather than an interpretation issue.
@@maxxiong Yeah, no. Ezekiel 33:13-20 is not talking about physical salvation.
Have you read 2 Timothy 15 kjv ?
Rightly dividing the word of truth
Have you read the whole Bible?
@@bobbyadkins6983 no but have i head the whole Bible. and i know the history. and the prophecy of the Bible and the prophecy are separated from the mystery.
Yes. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
@@thegreatevangelicaldisaste5604 people that don't believed OSAS because they didn't know how to rightly divide the word of Truth.
they didn't know that the book of Acts is a transitional book.
they didn't know what is progressive revelation.
and lastly they didn't know that mystery is separated from the prophecy..
that's why many people claimed to be Christian ignoring the doctrine of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED....
they are living in the darkness and deceived by the devil..
Bible called them, THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST....
“(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:”
- Philippians 3:18 (KJV)
You missed Revelation 22:18-19|NKJV ... For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Salvation is to overcome sin by grace so you must follow Christ all the people promoting once saved always saved usually is decieved about wat salvation is
Yup the Bible says if you haven’t been turned from your sin then you have not been blessed by Jesus -
Acts 3:26
[26] God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”
I am exposing the lie of OSAS over on my channel. Check it out and God bless you!
The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
People, never listen to someone who takes bits of Bible and make a doctrine out of it. He is wrong. He doesn't see the whole picture. I'm not saying that you can sin. But if you do(as I know all of you and me will) there is a saviour Jesus Christ who is our advocate. Read letters of Paul to churches full of sinners and see if he said"that's it no more repentance for you". And the last verse doesn't say anything about loosing salvation. You see God as a human judge who looks at us like you do. Don't you think he's more than all of us can possibly imagine?
Amen! Unfortunately when talking about these things, they get to a point where they jump to another verse without reconciling your point, just stop responding altogether, or make it seem as if they are beyond continuing the conversation.
You just “took a bit of the Bible and made a doctrine out of it” HYPOCRITE!! ...not going to read your response if you have one HYPOCRITE!!
@@PONCE8ful that's the problem, understanding what someone means. We all take bits and pieces, wherever not going to literally quote all verses of all 66 canonical books. What I believe Mark is saying is how one can form a doctrine off of one or a few verses that speaks to one point without it being able to fit with other potential contradictory angles.
Faith alone believers can answer questions biblically while work based believers get to a point where they avoid the topic at hand and refuse to reconcile certain points made.
@@PONCE8ful I didn't get that m8
You are absolutely correct in principle. So here is a channel which will lay out these things in a methodical manner backed by Scripture. Pastor Ben does an excellent job laying out verse after verse supporting the gospel by which we must be saved. The problem, I would submit, lies much deeper though. Those who hold to OSAS have a patented response to all of these examples. They also hold to their own set of verses which they believe supports their position. If anyone is truly interested in finding the truth, he has to begin with the flawed foundation of the greater conservative evangelical gospel represented by the likes of MacArthur, Piper, Mohler, Grudem, Stanley, Begg and many others. Because they misinterpret what true faith entails, what true grace is and what it does, and thereby, what justification itself is, their gospel is so skewed, it leads to the devastating conclusion that to whom so much has been given, nothing could ever be expected pertaining to salvation. If you are interested in pursuing this, it is all laid out for you in this UA-cam channel/podcast. May the Lord lead you by His Spirit. God Bless. Here is an unsolicited 40 second video endorsement that I happened to stumble upon. ua-cam.com/video/pg8EcvUea-QH/v-deo.htmlere is the UA-cam channel playlist: ua-cam.com/channels/db7ghP3lHTnpsuXUlFDBMw.htmlplaylists
if Once Saved Always Saved is false, then God practice double jeopardy ...
if you think sinning can make you lose salvation, it means you don't believe your sins are paid for after you believe : it makes you an unbeliever.
no matter the amount of verses you twist ...
Living a wicked life proves you had no faith to begin with, bearing no fruit
@@AdamTopCommenter
*"Living a wicked life proves you had no faith to begin with, bearing no fruit"*
nope, it only proves that you are weak in the flesh, not that you do not trust Christ's blood to pay for your sins.
babes in christ (saved people who do not go very far from salvation) are as saved as hardcore disciples.
All their sins of laziness, cowardice, rebellion are paid for by the blood.
to believe = to know something is true (especially without proof).
it has nothing to do with your courage & hardworking capabilities.
Your logic is unsound and in opposition to the scriptures. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
@@thegreatevangelicaldisaste5604
*"Your logic is unsound and in opposition to the scriptures. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core."*
a start with hollow statements is always a bad sign ...
and please never explain to me why my logic is unsound and unscriptural, so no-one would ever learn ...
*"Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results."*
From my experiences with work-based salvationists, people will just refuse to answer arguments, and always omit context. When they get caught in the act, they just jump like bunnies from book to book until their adversary is bored of them never answering anything .. it has been easily 95% of my encounters with them for the past years. you can hardly get any logic out of them.
*"Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin,"*
that's why Paul taught about the dual nature of the saved.
your born again spirit is sinless, and when you sin : it is your corrupted flesh that does.
You think there is an issue because we don't receive the incorruptible body right after believing? we don't get individually raptured out right after believing?
how's that an issue for anything?
Why end times didn't come in 70AD?
This circus has to continue because the world has to fill up his cup. Mankind has to prove it cannot rule itself, for the problem to never be brought up again during the next eternity.
God has decided we would be redeemed by faith, so if God start to prove it to all eyes each time one guy believes, then people would know, and people would still sin, and they would become unforgivable.
You are forcing yourself to search for nonexistent issues, because you hate the idea of salvation being a free gift, you hate the idea of not earning it, even a little bit ... you hate the idea of being saved by charity.
*"and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe."*
bull's eye! you want your own righteousness to be part of the requirement for salvation ...
you don't believe in imputed righteousness ...
you are rejecting God's free gift, you want to wear your own robe of righteousness ... good luck with your sinless perfection heresy ... since that's the only standard God accepts.
And ofc, as all work-based salvationists do, you are conflating salvation with rewards saved people will get at the judgment seat of Christ.
salvation is either free or a reward : it cannot be both at the same time.
choose!
*"All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit."*
work-based salvationists too think they are lead by the Holy Spirit ... every weird sect does ... especially the _"shabababababababa shelelelelelele"_ ones.
if you think sinning can make you lose salvation, it means you don't believe your sins are paid for after you believe : it makes you an unbeliever ... for you don't trust you are washed away by the blood of Christ ... you think your sins remains on your account : therefore you will be judged by it (and fail).
you think you have to _'confirm the washing away'_ with your own performance ...
on one side of the scale there is all your sins, and on the other one there is Christ's blood. But you are declaring the blood of Christ insufficient by adding your own works above the blood ... -> *you are an unbeliever.*
@@nicolas9533 All of the issues you raise in your comment are thoroughly addressed in the playlist from beginning to end. When I tell you that your gospel is fundamentally flawed, it is for your benefit and out of compassion for you. Not to win an argument or put you down. I hope and pray you will consider the possibility that you have been taught error which will probably lead to death. It is all there for you and would be happy to answer any respectful and honest question based on the videos. Grace and Peace.
Good teachings
FYI. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
One word i never hear spoken by many pastors today is repentance.
After all, only fools believe that "THE SINNERS PRAYER" will save them.
Maybe they also believe that a candy Life Saver will save a drowning man.
One of the reasons they don't preach repentance is because most people don't want to hear about it. What did Jesus tell His disciples to preach?
Did He tell them to preach "faith alone" or "just trust Jesus"? No:
■ "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that *repentance and remission of sins* should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:45-47)
Here’s a few more to add just off the top of my head:exodus 32:33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book
Rev3:5 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; you cannot be blotted out of something you were never in.
1John3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Titus1:15 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Marhew18:15 Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
This brother becomes as a heathen;godless.
I HATE NOSAS!!! 😬
TIRED OF THE ABUSE!!!! 😒
TIRED OF THE NOSAS ABUSE.
Don, Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. See it?
Dillon if you call believing in Christ as being able to wilfully sin your way into heaven then you have neither known Him or are known BY Him.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
FOR EVERYONE PRACTICING EVIL HATES THE LIGHT
Dillon I see it and I believe it. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus....but if you are walking in the flesh then you are NOT IN Christ Jesus.
Sadly you have taken so many scriptures out of context...
Which ones? Please explain.
If you don't prove what you are saying that is as good as lying. Do not falsely accuse unless you can prove what you are saying.
Soo many scriptures. It was hard to watch
@@avac.1343 which scriptures? Please explain.
Sadly you have made an allegation without providing any evidence...
In other words this man is saying that Christ's bloodshed is insufficient, woe to him!!
While we abide in Jesus in repentance, following the holy spirit, Jesus is our advocate with the Father, and covers - present tense - any new sins by His blood:
■ "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1)
■ "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his
Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7 . . . "IF we walk in the light")
■ "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of
good works." (Titus 2:14)
To me, Paul makes it very clear about this issue in Galatians and Corinthians. Why would he say "will not inherit the kingdom of God" if your salvation is a guarantee?
Inherit is referring to the rewards/ gifts in heaven. Not salvation itself.
@@AGEOFBANKS Thats a doctrine of demons.
Revelation 21:7-8 KJV - He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Inheritance of the kingdom is the opposite of "shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone".
Also John says this is not only for unbelievers since the unbelieving are listed too. You can believe in Christ's resurrection and still go to hell if you live in sin.
@@dimitartodorov4826 i completely agree with your last statement, because even the demons believe in christ and they're not in heaven. You have to repent from your sins as well. If you truly are a believer in christ, you will show it by how you live your life taking up your cross each day. You will repent and when you sin, you will feel guilty about it and want to bring it to christ. we were chosen by god beforehand as ephesians 2:10 states, to do good works. He knows who will choose him already and within the dimension of time, we have the choice to do so which is our free will. Regarding what you're saying about my "doctrine of demons", you are still going to sin as a believer since you arent perfect but its about picking up your cross each day as i said earlier. We have the holy spirit but we arent god, we are going to sin and to say we wont is a lie in itself.
@@AGEOFBANKS Paul talks about people who wont inherit the kingdom aka eternal life, no just rewards. Paul is letting us know that if we live as fornicators, thieves, idolaters etc we wont get eternal life.
I thought that "With God all things are possible" except stopping to sin I guess.
See what 1 John 2:1 states.
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And *IF* any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
This is an IF statement, it doesnt say that we WILL 100% sin, but IF we sin we have an advocate with God.
Every time I've heard someone saying that Paul means "rewards in heaven" instead eternal life in these letter, he is preaching OSAS and a gospel of lawlessness.
@@dimitartodorov4826 “For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.”
Hebrews 6:4-6 ESV
Here the author of Hebrews is making the point that it’s impossible to come back to Christ if you fall away.
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
Ephesians 1:13
You’re sealed with the holy spirit, it says nothing about god taking it away from you, you either truly have it or you don’t and scripture interpreting scripture, this is saying that Hebrews 6:4-6 is a hypothetical because you won’t fall away if you’re truly a believer.
OSAS doesn’t mean lawlessness, that’s this category all OSAS are put in like hyper grace and I don’t believe in hyper grace. But you can’t lose your salvation if god chose you before hand, Ephesians 2:10, and it’s impossible to regain it if you were to hypothetically lose it anyway with the scripture above. If you still disagree I’ll agree to disagree and do as Matthew 10:14 says, dust off your feet and move on.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (John 10:27, KJV)
Yea, the real problem in that verse being used as prof of salvation..., follow him, be like him, not of this world.. follow the fathers commandments, most don't truly follow they wander....
Oh BTW, his.lost sheep is.nofthen tribes that was spread through out the world, needing to be grafted back into isreal... are you grafted in or still comsider a gentile?
It's funny how all these people believe you can lost EVERLASTING LIFE but can't show from the bible how many times, how long, or what sins causes a person to lose salvation.
Those who believe in grace know when they are saved and can show they can't lose it but people who say you need works give all these ambiguous responses that never directly answer these types of questions.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them (Romans 1:28-32).
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).
1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them (Ephesians 5:1-7).
1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Colossians 3:1-17).
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie (Revelation 22:12-15).
@@ajlouviere202 you did exactly what I say, how many times or how long must one commit these acts in order to know they lost salvation? These verses just deal with people who are unsaved, not born again believers who (supposedly) lose it.
@@shaunwilliams2312 this is what the scriptures say. I understand that you believe that these scriptures do not apply, but that is a complete denial of the word itself. To me it is clear that unless a person repents of these sins, and puts on the new man, then they shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@shaunwilliams2312 notice your reply to the scriptures themselves. All I did was to post them, and say nothing out of my own mouth, yet you seem to have a problem with the scriptures that are posted. Doesn't that give you at least a moment of pause to maybe understand why you feel that way about God's word?
@@ajlouviere202 you're not answering the question: how many times must one sin or how long must one sin to lose salvation?
Now this is the beginning of part 2. In Luke 13 7 through 9 God gave the nation of Israel a one-year extension of Mercy this started at the Feast of Pentecost and it ended with the stoning of Stephen in Acts 11 verse 19
The new covenant is not a one sided covenant! It is an agreement between two parties, God and mankind! God is not required to keep his part, if we do not keep our part! And our part is to believe his word, and do what we confess we believe! Because true saving faith is when you do what you confess you believe! If you truly believe God, then you obey God!
That's right. True *_believers_* - like Abraham - are those who act on their faith and obey God (Heb 11:8; James 2:20-24). Otherwise their faith is DEAD. Today Jesus is
■ "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Hebrews 5:9)
@@TheBibleSays Amen!
Why would Jesus tell us to work out your Salvation with fear and trembling? If once saved were true why would you need to do this?
Well they would argue that the verse there say to work your salvation OUT and not work FOR your salvation. But yeah I agree it makes no sense. I remember when I was in a Baptist church they went over this verse and tried to tell us this verse didn’t mean what you think it means. See, they are always telling you not to take verses like these too literally. Instead you have to take THEIR interpretation of it and leave it at that. I’m trying to dispel the lies on my channel one by one, but I’m finding out it’s a long tangled web of lies they have woven. Have a great night.
Correct!! The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
To one reality ...... you mention in one of your videos you are open to sabbath ideas, well, sin is transgression of the law I would say not keeping the sabbath transgresses the law.. Jesus said it was lawful to do well on the Sabbath, I’d be asking how do you do well if you don’t keep the sabbath.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
Christians and gentiles are not meant to keep sabbath or any of the sinai law. Read acts 15 and acts 21
Enoch The Witness Acts 15:21 tells me the gathered every Sabbath day, nowhere in the Bible will you find the Sabbath was done away with, in fact Jesus said......
Matthew 12:12 KJV
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
@@denominationsdontsaveonlyj8896 what you dont know and realize is all the disciples were jews, even the first apostles like paul. Jews must keep the sinai law. Read matthew 5. The tanakh nowhere says gentiles must keep the sinai law. Any rabbi would teach u the same. Its a fallacy of the church that gentiles must keep sthe sinai law. Its all based on a misunderstanding anf lacking to know the basic principles. Acts 15 and acts 21 explicitly detail the debate amidst the disciples n apostles as to what law jews must keep and what law gentiles must keep. Their judgment was that jews must keep the sinai law and that gentiles must keep NO SUCH THING. It says to teach a gentile to keep the sinai law is to subvert their souls. The basic principle of the whole bible, ot and nt is sinai law for jews only and all else have gentile law. Thats the bible and history with God, not the false church narrative
@@denominationsdontsaveonlyj8896 in the tanakh where God gave the sabbath as law to israel, it says explicitly that it was a SIGN and seal of the contract between the hebrews and God, when He took them out of egypt in exodus. They pleaded for release and God made a contract with conditions. If you want release you must keep this law set. And he said the sabbath was the seal on that contract. It had nothing to do with gentiles, but entirely was due to the exodus from egypt. God did not redeem the gentiles out of egypt. In factm when the sabbath rest was first instituted, it was during the exodus with the manna. No law was given yet. Later on the sabbath day command was made law by God, as a token of Him taking them out of egypt in contract. Sabbath law has no relevance to gentiles, never did and never will.
@@denominationsdontsaveonlyj8896 sorry i should have also noted that acts 15 and acts 21 openly say gentiles are bound to gentile law, and it even lists them out three times. Three witnesses
Amen
Amen and Amen
For those who believe in once saved always saved, please explain this verse.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
@Jack of all Trades Complete nonsense!
Yes indeed. Great verses but for those who have adopted the free grace theology, you would be amazed how they will mangle the clear words of this passage to force fit it into their theological model. The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
@@thegreatevangelicaldisaste5604 Hebrews 10:26 is not written to the Body of Christ. Let's not even go there, have you sinned willfully after hearing the Gospel? Yes? Ok, then according to you cannot ever be saved! How utterly ridiculous, it is talking about Jews not accepting the faith in Christ(Knowledge of the truth/Gospel) and trying please God with dead works. Try reading from the beginning of the chapter.
I can't agree on ,"once saved always saved" If that was true I could repent and go live like a hellion!
If you are truly saved, you wouldn't want to live like a hellion.
@@thewarriorcall true but people can backslide
@@sandfordfields6578 Backsliders may suffer chastening by God, but they are STILL His child, STILL saved.
@@thewarriorcall you still sin anyway, you have to do what Jesus says or he will say he never knew you
@@AdamTopCommenter You need to read this..carefully. the-spirit-of-elijah.blogspot.com/2011/05/can-eternal-life-be-lost.html
Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Romans 4:13-16
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might beby grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Christ be with you
Colossians 2:14 is referring to our past sins.
See 2 Peter 9-11
These are what have been blotted out
In Romans 4 St Paul is talking about works of the law not the law itself, the circumcision of Abraham.
We see this In verse rom 4:9-12
we need to look at Gen 26:4-5 to understand this further
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Faith is not the abolishment of the Law but the upholding of it.(Rom 3:31)
In Faith, we believe what Christ taught without which we do not have God .(2 John 9)
it is those who obey Christ who will be saved
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 you quoted from Romans 4 where Paul makes his argument that it's not by works but faith. I appreciate your willingness to give an explanation but I feel you've misunderstood scripture. Those who believe in works based salvation fail to acknowledge that eternal is a free gift (Romans 6:23). Romans 4:4-5 tells us one can't work for what's free or else it would something that is debted to us (like a reward).
Paul said Christ laid the foundation that no other man could lay (1 Corinthians 3:10-11) and he is the propitiation of our sins. Nowhere does the bible ever say works forgive sins. Its Christ blood that cleanses us. You could say Christ works but not man. Christ said in his blood was the new covenant. If you fail in one point of the law you're guilty of them all (James 2). Christ is made of no effect to those looking to be justified by the law. Doing works is being obedient which is works of the law. It's not restricted to the mosaic law as you all like to reduce it to. While I do believe Paul was referring to the mosaic law, ultimately he used that to show no works period will save a person.
@@shaunwilliams2312
Christ be with you
Please read this it is not as long as it looks, as verse you will probably recognise are quoted.
I think it is you who has misunderstood the scripture
I do not know a religion that calls itself claims we do not require God free gift as payment for our sins.
I do not think anyone suggests that works pay this price or that works can forgive sin.
That is kind of a strawman argument
Romans 3 and 4 are about a different yoke be used for Jews and Gentile.
Jews thought they could make themselves right with God through works of the Law such as circumcision, animal sacrifice, cleansing rituals and dietary requirements.
We see this in the examples given of father Abrahams Circumcision and King David’s forgiveness without animal sacrifice.
St Paul is telling them that the must actually keep the law
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Rom 3:31)
We receive Faith in hearing the word of God
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17)
I love that you referred to 1 Cor 3:11
Let us look at what Jesus tell us his foundation is
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
So there is only destruction and ruin for those who do not build on a living faith a faith with works.
Works do not save us but it is those who do them who will be saved.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9)
We must endure in the until the end for this is Christ Gospel
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matt 24:12-14)
For those who do them are those who believe in Christ.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 romans 3:31 was paul making the point that despite grace (eternal life) is free, that doesn't mean that's where the life of a believer stops. A believer is to live the life of obedience but it's not required to prove salvation. 1 Corinthians 5:2, 5 Paul stresses believers could meet an early demise (loss of physical life, not spiritual). I agree with romans 10:14, 17 about faith coming by hearing. You quoted Matthew 7:26 which Jesus is warning Jews not to heed the words of pharisees who rejected Christ and looked to the law for justification (Matthew 7:15-23 referenced pharisees). So when Jesus talked about works in verse 26, he was referring to believing on him (which God is referred to as the rock in other biblical passages) in that a house would be built on vs not which (justified by the law) is building a house on sand.
Matthew 24 enduring to the end was enduring the great tribulation and be physically saved, not spiritual. And John 14 was Christ telling his apostles they would reach more people than he did after his ascension back tothe father. Nothing to do about works to save or works automatically showing your saved.
If grace is free, there is nothing else to put with it to obtain salvation. Works can show faith but doesnt always mean you're saved. 1 Timothy 2 Paul says there in a great house there is vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor. Showing mature believers vs carnal believers.
You quoted Hebrews 5:8-9 about jesus became the author of all those who obey him. I guess Paul wasn't saved then because in Romans 7 he talks about how he still struggles with sin. And I guess Peter wasn't saved because he sinned multiple times. And what about you? Do you ever sin? Who truly obeys Christ for Christ to be the author of their salvation? And the question is begged if you are saved and sin, does that mean you lost salvation or does it prove you were never saved to begin with?
To obey the gospel is to believe it (2 Thessalonians 1:8)
I'm sorry but if you have to do good works (obey) in order for Christ to be the author of your salvation per Hebrews 5:8-9 then you have a contradiction.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 paul says believers works will be tried by fire, and even those works that are burned up, the person will suffer loss but they will remain saved.
@@shaunwilliams2312
Christ be with you
The things you have said seem to be at odds with scripture
*You say*
romans 3:31 was paul making the point that despite grace (eternal life) is free, that doesn't mean that's where the life of a believer stops.
*Scripture*
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
*Response*
Your explanation appears to have nothing to do with the verse,
*You say*
A believer is to live the life of obedience but it's not required to prove salvation.
*Scripture*
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
*Response*
Sorry what you have said does not align with Gods word.
*You say*
1 Corinthians 5:2, 5 Paul stresses believers could meet an early demise (loss of physical life, not spiritual).
*Scripture*
And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
*Response*
I am not sure how you think this says that.
St Paul actually tells us there is more to it, it sounds very spiritual .
*Scripture*
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? (Rom 6:16)
*You say*
I agree with Romans 10:14, 17 about faith coming by hearing.
*Response*
You seem to have missed that we do not have it unless we do.
*Scripture*
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46)
*You say*
You quoted Matthew 7:26 which Jesus is warning Jews not to heed the words of Pharisees who rejected Christ and looked to the law for justification
*Scripture*
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
*Response*
I did not quote Matt 7:26 though what I quoted from Luke 6:46-49 is a parallel verse
Jesus tells us we must do as he says in both of them.
However, Jesus did not tell the Jews to not heed the words of the Pharisees he said the opposite.
*Scripture*
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (Matthew 23:1-3)
*You say*
(Matthew 7:15-23 referenced Pharisees).
*Scripture*
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
*Response*
That does not seem to reference Pharisees at all but false teachers who will come after Christ.
These would be people who bring false Gospels like faith alone or once saved always saved.
There is not requirement in these to love or obey God so their fruit is apathy.
We can see that those people who will not enter heaven were once believers for they did works in Christ name but they trued the back on him choosing sin if we want to be saved we must do as he says.
One of the clear things that Jesus tells us in his Gospel is that that to be saved we must endure in love and obedience to the end.
*Scripture*
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12)
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matt 24:12-14)
God bless you
Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone !!!
Good message based on the truth. Can't believe how many want to pervert the gospel & allow wiggle room for living in their sin. Blessings.
He perverted the gospel because it is not about if you cal lose salvation or not. It is about walking in the faith
It's not a good message what he's saying here!! This is a message of fear and of doubt! The gospel means good news! What good news is it if you can gain salvation eternal life and then lose it a few minutes later or a week later or many years.. what this guy is saying above is a gospel of fear and a gospel of doubt.. Jesus came to bring us freedom from all of that! I know from experience living with that mindset like you're talking about in the guy in the video is talking about because I struggled with it for 30 years!! and it's nothing but death !!it does not bring life!! Jesus said, I came to bring them life and life abundantly! Can I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish !and never means never! Not maybe, if you don't do this and maybe if you just keep enduring or etc etc.. he did it all he payed it all and it's not an excuse to sin. I don't want to sin once we're a new creation with a new heart.
@@jayheinz4624 The good news is that you can have your sins forgiven. But first, you need to repent.
@@xolclint yes yes amen!!!👍 that's good news 👍but may I ask what your definition of repent is??
@@jayheinz4624 Of course. BTW, John the baptist, Jesus Christ, Peter & Paul all preached repentance. Watch "The Normal Christian Birth" lesson #2 on UA-cam & you will understand repentance.
The Ezekiel passage you shared is old testament and that was before the Law done away with the law came by moses but Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
Did you know that you’re practicing Gnosticism and not Christianity? A doctrine which excludes and separates the testaments is the early heresy of the Gnostics who were the people described as the spirit of Antichrist.
@@LouisaWatt no sister I do understand the separation of the old and new and apply it but salvation is a Gift and a free and service for the Lord is different once your saved your a child of God no where in scripture does it say you can lose it unless you misapply scripture
Humans are so smallminded and that is why God is the only one who can truly judge one's heart and motives. People are in different stages in their Christian journeys and simply isolating pericopes by novices does not help any one in their journey. Know one thing, a person's way of thinking should begin to change after accepting Christ into his/her life.
Okay true enough. But still important to understand this important subject, right? The OSAS doctrine is one that has been arrived at based on inalterable presumptions derived from a gospel which is fundamentally flawed at its core. Because very few are willing or able to look deep at the root cause, we end up throwing verses back and forth in a proverbial food fight with similar results. Here's the real issue: The notion that justification is a one time declaration which in an instant guarantees salvation, that we remain unrighteous and continually mired in sin, and that Christ's righteousness is the only basis by which we will now be judged are some of the errors which have spawned the false OSAS catastrophe. All of these things are provably false for anyone who relies on the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a channel which will walk you through these things if anyone is interested. Thank you and Grace and Peace.
ua-cam.com/video/6aRy8Na8JMQ/v-deo.html
First one that you read in James speaks about sin in this life. Because sin as we know have consequences. When it speaks about so you can’t automatically think it’s spiritual. If I tell you, I looked in the house and no soul was found. When you read in the Bible, they speak about so it is a Times speaking about the body even when it speaks about saving it could be from destruction not from hell.
So Collin, as well as others in the comment section of other his other videos, have admitted to sinning as a believer. So this would mean all those people, including you Collin lost your salvation the moment that happened right?
Shaun Williams that’s right. Salvation is to be saved from sin(Matthew 1:21) if a person sins they are not saved from sin.
@@PONCE8ful I'm glad you're at least honest to admit that. So answer me this: according to the bible, how many times can a person lose salvation and get it back?
@Switch321 amen! If it's works, a person might as well live it up until the very last minute cuz they going to lose it anyway at some point.
Are all things possible with God?
@@unitedt21 of course! But apparently it's not possible for God to keep someone from being plucked out of his hand as Jesus stated in John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Collin and others say you CAN PERISH but Christ Himself said you CAN'T EVER PERISH.
John 10:28
I GIVE them(believer) eternal life, and they shall NEVER(search the meanubg of never pls) PERISH; NO ONE(not even YOU or SATAN,angels or demons etc) will snatch them(believers) out of my hand.(even you, you cannot snatch yourself out of Jesus Hands unless you are more powerful than Jesus.)
Yes yes!! my favorite eternal security verse!! This says it all! 👍
Do you know where I can find a list of the Top Controversial Bible Topics, OR the Most Debated Bible Topics?
I have something better,, check out Andrew Farley's book twisted Scriptures.. you'll see how scriptures like the ones above are being twisted to cause fear and to cause you to lack your assurance in your salvation..
@@jayheinz4624 "once saved always saved" is a lie of Satan right along with the hyper-grace movement
@@RealDystopianFrog so is that what you're calling Jesus??? It was in Jesus own words that he says,," I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish" and never means never!! In the Greek it's permanent,, never, meaning it cannot be reversed.. also you are a new creation in Christ and sealed until the day of redemption cannot be undone if you're a new creation? And you say hyper grace, but Paul said in Ephesians it is by Grace Grace that you are saved by faith and not of works!! Not of works! lest anyone boast!!.. and Jesus said on the cross to the thief today you will be with me in paradise and he said it is finished meaning he Jesus,, did it all! I'm not trying to argue with you, but please see that gospel means good news! It's about being free in Christ.. assured that you have a new spirit and a new heart given by him.. this is the gospel !the good news!
@@jayheinz4624 The Law was not dead works, unless they were doing it out of obligation, and not from the heart and a place of love. "Faith without works is dead...". It goes both ways.
@@RealDystopianFrog I understand what you're saying Ada,,..but please check out a couple of these verses if you wouldn't mind.. 1 Corinthians 15:56, the power of sin is in the law,... Romans 5:20 the law increases sin.. 2 Corinthians: 7 through 18,, the law is a ministry of death and a ministry of condemnation but we have something better!!! a ministry of the spirit and ministry of righteousness through Jesus Christ.!!. think about that a bit and let me know what you think! And I hope you have a blessed day Ada!
ACTUALLY IT IS "FORFIET" YOUR INHERITANCE BUT YES A SAINT CAN DEPART FROM THE FAITH AND TO SAY ONE CANNOT IS TO CALL GOD A LIAR
Rev2:11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
Rev2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”
Those that profess to know God and walk in willful disobedience, John says this is a sin leading to death.
1John5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
The sin that is not confessed and turned from leads to death. The person knows it is sin but does it any ways.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
God says through Jeremiah to the people that have been warned of theirs sins but refuse to turn back to God...do not even pray for them for he will not even hear the prayers.
Jeremiah7:8Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit. 9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are safe to do all these abominations’? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the Lord.
12 “But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My name at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel. 13 And now, because you have done all these works,” says the Lord, “and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you, but you did not answer, 14 therefore I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to this place which I gave to you and your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brethren-the whole posterity of Ephraim.
16 “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.
Hello and good morning Mr. Collin Micheal. I wanted to ask, can you do a live debate with Mr. Tall23 that has a youtube channel about once saved always saved? Mr. Tall23 produced a video refuting about losing your salvation stating that you cant lose your salvation. This topic has divided bunches of churches and I would like to find truth. Would you debate with him? Thank you and look forward to hearing from you
Chad N Melissa how much time do you spend reading scripture? Do not trust anybody on UA-cam with your salvation or to be your source of truth. The word IS Christ so buy from Him the truth and don’t sell it He says. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth so trust in God. The question to ask yourself in your heart is not whether you live a sinless life or not but do you want to? Do you want to follow Christ/God in love and obedience or do you want to hold on to your favourite sins but still obtain salvation. Walking in disobedience. Practicing sin when you know it to be sin. Ask God to show you. James1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
God made heaven and earth and all that is in them to have a relationship with you. You do not need someone to tell you the truth. God is just waiting to pour it out on you. If you are prepared to do the truth and your heart is right then go to genesis and start reading. He will supply all the food for your soul that you need...daily. I’m not saying that a person can’t teach, but you need to be able to know for yourself with scripture. But NO MAN is a match for the HOLY SPirit. Even the disciples that were with Christ did not understand things until He opened their minds. Take care brothers and sisters. In love.
Chad N Melissa Luke 24:44 44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Chad N Melissa there is only one thing you need to know about false prophets. They teach against the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.Rev12.
Titus 1 they profess to know God but in works they deny Him....you will know a tree by its fruit Jesus says.
Jesus also says in the last days there will be many false prophets who rise up and deceive many and because of LAWLESSNESS the love of most will grow cold. They will tell you that sin has no bearing on your salvation anymore. This is the first lie we are told by Satan to deceive eve. He casts doubt of what God says making out like disobedience to God is no big thing. Genesis 3 Surely you will not die speaks the serpent. They strengthen the hands of the wicked as God said in Jeremiah 7:But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My name at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel. 13 And now, because you have done all these works,” says the Lord, “and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you, but you did not answer, 14 therefore I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to this place which I gave to you and your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brethren-the whole posterity of Ephraim.
16 “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. God says exactly what is said in first John regarding the sin leading to death. These people were warned but they continue to practice rebellion so do not even pray for them He won’t hear.
God says he recognizes his children by obedience.Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
Hebrews 5:9. Christ is the author of eternal salvation to THOSE WHO OBEY.
@@DBaldwin111 I believe Once Saved Always Saved. 🤗🌈🎁
Amen! Thank you for sharing The Truth. For The Truth sets us free. May countless others be blessed & freed from the error & false teaching thru what Gods using you to share... in Jesus name.
You're not saved by works.
@Redeemed then I'm going to hell. :-) what you want me to do. go back in time and fix it?
@Redeemed I am not rightouness by myself. I need a Savoir. You need a Savoir. We all need a Savoir.
I don't have a perfect record and there's nothing I can do ABOUT IT.
@Redeemed you're only strengthing my belief that I cannot turn from my sins. 😶
@RedeemedI'm sorry, are you meaning The Bema? Sins won't come up. but thier are rewards for believers.
Part 5 people usually go to Hebrews James and Peter as well as Matthew Mark Luke and John these books are speaking to the nation of Israel Matthew Mark Luke and John is to the nation of Israel in time passed. During the time of Jesus Israel had already fallen into apostasy to the Romans. They would not come back to God willingly so God opened up a dispensation of Grace whereby anyone can be saved by grace through faith without works.
What most who hold to the osas doctrine don’t understand, is what true saving faith is. Faith is believing. And when you truly believe what you confess you believe, you do what you confess you believe! Not obeying Gods word because you are trying to earn your way into Gods Kingdom. But obeying his commandments because you believe Gods word! Most seem to think that doing the works of faith, is keeping the law. But the true believers have Gods law written on their hearts, and it’s not keeping of a bunch of rules, that was only given to show our need for grace through Christ. You turn from doing the works of the flesh, and do works of love, (faith works by love) because you are a new creation, and your life is now about the things above, and not the things of this world! Continuing to live sinfully proves you do not believe. The Children of Israel all believed when they passed through the Red Sea on dry ground, and saw the Egyptians drown behind them! But when tried in the wilderness, they turned back to Egypt in their hearts. They were overcome in the wilderness, and could not enter in to the promised land! The Bible says they could not enter in because of unbelief! That is why Jesus said repeatedly, He that overcomes shall inherit the Kingdom! Keep preaching the truth brother! For this is the time foretold when they shall heap to themselves teachers to itch their ears, and will not put up with sound doctrine, but believe fables!
@Sonny Bruschetta I agree, it is 100% Jesus working in those who believe! The point I am making is what believing is! Reading Gods word gives you faith, for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Faith is believing God, but when you do not do what you confess to believe, that faith is in vain! As James said, Faith if it does not have works is dead! Are we saved by works? No! But Jesus said, if you do not bring forth fruit, your branch will wither, and be cut off the tree, and be cast in the fire! We do not work to earn our way in, we work because we are attached to the vine, who is Christ, and we produce fruit because we are being nourished from the living water of the vine! We can say we know Jesus all day long, and on that day be told I never knew you! Why? Because we did not have true saving faith! True saving faith is hearing Gods word, and doing it! The Children of Israel all believed when they passed the through the Red Sea on dry ground. But they were over thrown in the wilderness! And turned back to Egypt in their hearts! When they got to the promised land they could not enter in! Why? The Bible says, they could not enter in because of unbelief! We are saved by grace (Gods mercy), through faith. If we truly have faith, then we will obey his word! Jesus said, I will tell you who is wise and does what I say. He is like a man who digs deep, and builds his house on the rock, and when the storm comes, the house stands, because he built his house on the rock. This is a doer of his word! But the foolish man who don’t do his word, is like a man who builds his house on the sand, and when the storms comes, that house falls! If you hear the word and don’t do the word, that is not saving faith! The devils hear his word and believe it, but they will not be saved! Jesus told us many times that he who overcomes shall enter into the kingdom. Saying we have faith, and not doing what you confess, is like saying I believe my new car will get me to work today. Yes, your can is perfectly able to get you to work. But that belief is in vain if you do not act on that belief! If you don’t open the car door, put the key in, start the car, put it in gear, and drive that car, it will not get you there! That belief is in vain! We follow Jesus by faith! And we are required to walk in the truth he has revealed to each of us, at the point we are in in our spiritual lives! A new born baby is not required to work a full time job, or do anything but be loved on, and be fed! But as that child grows and is taught wrong from right, that child is required to obey his Father! We are at all different places in our walk. And what is required of us is what the Holy Spirit has opened our eyes to. When we know to do right, and do it not, it is sin. And sin = unbelief! That is why it says, those who know to do good, and do it not, to them it is sin! We are being saved faith to faith, glory to glory! But if we choose to turn back, it is not Christ who has forsaken us, it is us who have chose to forsake his grace! Faith is what decides if we will finish our coarse and daily carry our cross, following Jesus into the promised land. And be over comers, finishing the race, by the power of God working through us because we truly believe. Looking to the author and finisher of our faith, is by walking in his true faith. And walking in his true faith, is doing what he says to do, not just saying you believe, but doing what you believe! In Christ’s Love!
@Sonny Bruschetta I’m going to be honest with you. There’s no way I can grasp in my head you just replied this to what that person just wrote. He’s trying to feed you spiritually so you can properly walk in your faith and all you said was it’s too long? Was your post not long as well? It’s time to grow spiritually and mature. Once you were okay with spiritual milk now you move on to solid food. The branch that is pruned and produces no fruit is cut off and burned. Don’t take God’s grace for granted. Fear God and have some more respect. Don’t type out a big message and deceive yourself with lips that draw near but a heart that is far from him. Be true and humble. Learn discernment to decipher truth. And have some decency to someone who was extending kindness to you to explain spiritual maturity and actually growing in the faith. Being a doer of the word not a hearer. I say this for your benefit if you truly are a sister in Christ.
@Sonny Bruschetta I have and will continue thank you. Maybe that’s why im telling you to look at yours if you truly are a brother or sister in Christ you would humble yourself and do some self reflection. Discern between people who are trying to give you a wake up call for your own good vs people who are just trying to put you down.
@Sonny Bruschetta I already know what he said about it I’m not new to the Bible but maybe you are. What the person said was the truth about God and his word. It’s not false doctrine. They stated what the Bible says. Be careful thinking your doing his work and your actually being deceived by the enemy into working against God. If you actually read it instead of just saying it’s a long post when that person was trying to help you and share truth of God with you maybe you’d know that. You need some humility in ur life.
@Sonny Bruschetta alright
Why do so many reject this truth?
holyrunner100 Amazing how some can understand certain things so easily, and others don’t.
Truth will expose their deeds as jesus said .
Your works won't save you.
Because they love the idea some people are just better then others.
Lordship Salvaionists: YOU LOSE SALVAION. YOU LOSE SALVAION. YOU LOSE SALVAION. *BUT I'M KEEPING IT. I DESERVE IT*
@@mikethomas4570 This is not truth Mike, it is satanic teaching one must add to the cross in order to remain saved.
its better to say that you can turn away from doing what is good and right and begin to do evil... and anyone who dies in that state of disobedience will find themselves in Hell. JC
That is a better phrasing of what happens!
Hebrews 12:6 "for the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and He chastises every son He receives". Don't sound like being thrown into hell to me. God loves his children as we love our children. Not destroy them body and soul in hell because the sinned. Story of the parodical son great example..
@@ronchatex797 God is also the Righteous Eternal Judge of all creation and the context of the passage that you quoted makes it clear that he has a clear cut off line for all of us, whether or not we are in the process of being ultimately adopted by Him.
Also, your logic makes no sense, because angels are referred to as God's sons & yet those of them that rebel will end up in hell.
Hebrews 12:14 (KJV) > Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
@@kingdele01 Angles are NOT God's Sons! Angles are God's Messengers and 1/3 of them that rebelled are bound by chains of darkness beneath the River Euphrates, unto the day of Judgement. Is the Prodigal Son in Hell? Then why not? What was that parable about if not forgiveness? Are we not God's sons? Yes and God Chastises the ones he loves. I think maybe you should re-examine who makes sense. What is our righteousness? Jesus precious blood that covers us...
@@ronchatex797
Who was the Bible referring to as sons of God in the book of job (Job 1:6 & 2:1)? They clearly weren't humans because humans haven't received adoption at they time.
Also, the Lord said that humans who'll be resurrected will be equal to the angels. It would be strange if we are to be considered children of God, yet equal to beings that are less than children, if they aren't children too.
So, logic tells you that angels are as much servants of God, as they are children of God! Just like apostle Paul was a bond servant of Jesus Christ, yet an adopted child of God.
You clearly need to read & understand your Bible better! And stop letting your doctrinal persuasion dictate your understanding of the Bible.
Job 1:6 KJV > Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Luke 20:34-36 (KJV) > And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: [35] But THEY which shall be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO OBTAIN THAT WORLD, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: [36] Neither can they die any more: for THEY ARE EQUAL UNTO THEY ANGEL'S; and ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, being the children of the resurrection.
Once saved always saved. Ifyou believe in a gospel of good works to be saved then you are believing in a false gospel and were never saved to begin with. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead you shall be saved. To say you can lose your salvation is to call God a lier.
Thank you, Anyone that believes shall not perish,,
Ww never got saved by stopping sinning,,
But we received grace by Faith in the GOSPEL we heard, And from there we received power to sin no more,, Participating in God's nature of love, Righteousness....
For those of who want to see what the Bible actually talks about eternal security, please do go through below passages. The scriptures are very clear eternal life is a gift of God and not works. Maintaining good works for salvation is WORKS and check out Romans 11:6 as it gives a clear distinction that it can either be works or grace, can't be both.
John 6:37-40 KJV
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. [38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. [39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 10:27-29 KJV
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 John 2:1-2 KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:6 KJV
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 4:4-6 KJV
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Check out gotquestions.org for more biblical clarity. (Disclaimer I'm not a professional of the above site trying to promote it but am just a fellow brother in Christ trying to share biblical clarity)
If you are struggling with sin, you are still saved. If you are surfing with sin, then you will lose your salvation. It is the attitude of the heart.
I been sinning alot for a month have I lost my salivation please respond
@@_also__also_5170 Hebrews 12:1-4. Struggling is persevering. Striving. 'I don't want to sin for I am grateful to what Christ has done for me' be your motivation and love for Him.
@@HG-kn3hb so do I still have my salvation
@@_also__also_5170 If you can identify with what I had replied, then you are saved.
@@_also__also_5170 you think you lost salvation? Well, these verses are for you ...
John 10:28-30
28 And I give unto them ETERNAL life; and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall any man pluck them OUT of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
You gotta rememeber ...
Ecclesiastes 7:20
20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not
1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
We are ALL sinners ... not just you
We are ALL in sin
That's the whole point why Jesus died for us
Romans 5:8
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have EVERLASTING life.
Titus 3:5
5 NOT by works of righteousness which WE have done, but according to HIS mercy HE saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost
Hopefully those who have been followers of #ReneeRoland will see this video.
Okay, I agree with her about grace being for salvation and not works.
@@shaunwilliams2312
"5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (Revelation 2:5-7).
@@ajlouviere202 Which gender is Renee?
You think you can earn your way to Heaven!!! that's crap.
@@michaelnelson9211 do you believe that you can sin your way there?
Jesus died for our sins.
When we repent he is faithful to forgive.
Yes Cathy! 👍 And also we need to remember repentance in the New testament is just a change of mind and turning to Jesus.. nowhere in the New testament or in Paul's letters does it say we are to repent from our sins.. check it out for yourself.. 🌞
What is a reprobate and if a reprobate repents will God forgive them. Is there a time where God stops forgiving even if the sinner wants God
please help I kept sinning after accepting jesus will god forgive me?
@@aaaa-lj4bs 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
@@aaaa-lj4bs I can lead you to channels that'll fix your mind on Jesus. ♥️
Interested? 😊
@@aaaa-lj4bs yes the Bible say where sin abounded, grace abounded much more but it also says to not live in sin even tho God will forgive you, so repent and dont do it again
@@user-zo5nu2zt6v I've been addicted for a while but I really wanna change this life style of sin please pray that I wont fall into sin anymore
The seed is in your heart god knows if you keep pure god knows if your truly repented and god knows everything in the future the book of life god bless you collin
Is Jesus God or not?
@Link Breath Of The Wild correct, and we are not!
@@deanhammondjr.bondservanto1191 stop belittling people .
@@chip_stack that is not what Jesus said
@@chip_stack what do you expect from "Lordship Salvaionists".
They think they are above everyone else. 😐
Jesus is perfect and we must try and live like him sinners dont go to heaven get right with him and stop sinning
that is impossible. Jesus was God, he never sinned, we all have sinned
@@deanhammondjr.bondservanto1191 It is possible to stop sinning because Jesus says so. "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." If it was not possible Jesus would have said so. He told the adulteress "Go and sin no more." He did not say go and sin a little or less but stop completely or else more terrible things will happen to you if you don't, which He told that to a paralyzed man. You die in your sin you will go to hell period and without excuses. The wage of sins is death." Make sure you are pure when you will die or else you will be shock to receive from Jesus on your judgement day "Depart from me I never knew you who practice lawlessness."
Those who says it is impossible is an excuse to keep on doing it. It is not the impossibility it is the willingness not to stop. People love so much their sins that they are not willing to give them up. Do not be deceived by the doctrine of Calvinist Once Save Always Saved it is heretic and demonic. "For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"
@@jpd4676 Jesus indeed said be perfect, which actually proofs my point. Is it possible to be 100 %ly perfect as God? Did Jesus teach new age nonsense there? Also Jesus said go and sin no more AFTER he said 'neither do I condemn thee. You can try to never ever sin, but you will fail. I am also trying my best not to sin, but even that is not good enough, because if it was, Jesus wouldn't have had to die. Only those who are born again are pure. Jesus also said "I NEVER knew you", not "I no longer know you".
What you condemn as "Calvinism", is in fact biblical. Ask yourself. Can man's free will top God's will?
Those who claim it was possible to stop sinning only minimize the meaning of sin, Proverbs tells this: 'for the thought of foolishness is sin'. If you seriously think you are good enough for heaven, keep trying. But I seriously urge you to read the parable with the pharisee and the publican and then you are free to decide on which side you stand. Go by God's word, the unadultered King James Bible, not your feelings.
Frank Dust IV wow. You’re telling someone else that they will fail if they try to never sin again?! You’re demonic and you are of the devil sinner. Anyone born of God does not sin.1 John 3:9. Not going to read your response if you have one sinner
@@deanhammondjr.bondservanto1191 You misquoted Jesus word here. What Jesus said in NKJV and KJV “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” He did not say "Go and sin no more AFTER he said 'neither do I condemn thee. Your meaning is completely different to what Jesus is truly saying which you are making Jesus a liar. Do not twist His words to justify your sinful lifestyle.
You must forsake your sins, not trying to do your best, but completely stop it. God demands 100%. and will not accept anything less then that, not even 99.99999%. It only takes one sin even lying once is enough to send you into the lake of fire. All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus died to save you from your sins, not to continue sinning. If you are continuing sinning you are not a Christian but a child of the devil and your father is Satan therefore you will end up in hell with him.
You must repent be born again and receive the Holy Spirit and die to sins. If you're not, you will not see the Kingdom of God. If you love Jesus you would keep His commandments, not some, but all of them. You can't pick and choose.
Like I said Calvinism is heresy and demonic. Do not be deceive about it's false doctrine it will send you to hell. Jesus says you can lose your salvation while Calvin says you cannot.
John 15:1-7 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. IF A MAN ABIDE NOT IN ME, HE IS CAST FORTH AS A BRANCH, AND IS WITHERED; AND MEN GATHER THEM, AND CAST THEM IN THE FIRE, AND THEY ARE BURNED. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Sound doctrine my brother! Nice video. This needs to be understood by the masses!!
Sorry which bible you have because if you can lose it you never had it.
Hey brother I'm praying for you. You're taking the scriptures out of context. I'd also advise prayer for yourself for wisdom from the Lord to understand what he is saying. I have misinterpreted scripture before. We are only human. God bless you
Maybe you could help me see how John 15 is taken out of context. Jesus is talking to his disciples and says if you don’t abide in me you will be cut off wither and be burned.
we are saved by grace not the law
angel paige amen! We are not saved by the Mosaic law of the Old Testament!
True faith is acting in obedience to Christ though.
@@abideintheWord
I assume you're referring to John 15:6?
Jesus moves to the 3rd person in this passage.
It's been Me, ye, I, you, etc. But in verse 6, He moves to "if a man" abide not in Me, he, them, they. In verse 7, Jesus returns to I, ye, (back to the audience He's addressing).
Does that make sense?
I'm not the best at explaining.
Blessings
Have you actually considered the context of the proof texts of the OSAS doctrine? They are all taken out of context or involve logical extrapolation.
Dude if you ‘could’ lose your salvation you ‘would’.
I don’t think you’re called to be a teacher online here on UA-cam. You couldn’t even get a basic music video right from Chris Tomlin but here you are trying to teach people on Losing your salvation....
Truly ridiculous...you need to get saved. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.
What is salvation then and what is ETERNAL life??
Is ETERNAL life not eternal??
John 10:28.I give them eternal life and they will never perish....
Salvation is Christ in a person,, Ephe 1:13,Sealed with the Spirit, God does not break His seal,
God is the saviour,Grace is free, forgiveness is a gift, Righteousness is a gift,
We don't work for gifts,,A believer is one flesh with Christ,and Christ can't deny Himself,,
All these verses are addressed to different audiences,in different dispensation and are not consistent with sound doctrine,,It is a matter of language in some verses,, Consult Greek lexicons for some of them.
We are forgiven thats why we can forgive in return,, Copying our Father,,
Oh Boy!
You really stirred up the hornet's nest with this one! And all the OSAS idolaters are coming out of the woodworks to show you how you are wrong!
@@julanodetal7343 Absolutely!
OSAS tend to be many people's golden calf. If you touch it, they will sting you......lol
Interesting you put it that way? But if you are osas, you are a new believer and a new creation in Christ Jesus and sealed until the day of redemption.. you are no longer looked at as an idolater.. God sees you as he sees Christ and that is you are the righteousness of God and Christ Jesus.. completely forgiven forever! and this is the gospel the good news 🌞
@@jayheinz4624 That is actually the false gospel of addition to God's word and ignoring his warnings!
Show anywhere in the scriptures where we are told that Christians who continue to sin are no longer seen as sinners by God!
@@kingdele01 I respectfully disagree because the warnings are for unbelievers if you read it in context it's not for True believers.. otherwise it wouldn't be good news if we had to live in fear and Jesus and Paul say and John says we're not supposed to live in fear..
@@jayheinz4624 Not really! There are many areas when the writers of the Bible used the word "WE" while referring to the warnings. This means that they were making it clear that the warning applied not only to the readers, but also to the writer. Unless you want to claim some assurance that is above the people the Holy Spirit used to write the Bible, then those warnings apply to us, as well!
Amen brother, that's right.
😐 Others can lose salvaion but you been keeping it all by yourself?
😞 Jesus Christ is my only hope of salvaion. and he promises it's free and a gift. And all you people wanna do is say "HE FAILED THE CROSS"
all you people wanna do is attack grace and condem people.
☹️ I just wanna be held in Jesus arms. just wanna be his child. Not that I deserve it. It's whatever ----
It's not like I'm going to Heaven anyway! (NOSAS)
@@michaelnelson9211 He is coming for the pure in heart and the overcomer. If sins were washed away and people continue in them, then they're not really washed away. If we give Him our heart but we do what we want, did we give it to Him? People sit in church and wait for Jesus to change them, but God says to lay aside filthiness and wickedness. Scripture says to be diligent and be found blameless. The flesh must die.
@@vickim6990 "to be found blameless"
NOBODY IS!!!!!
I’m going to be completely honestly, there’s an argument for both views. I just love my life the best I know how to live it, put my trust in God the best o can and just leave it there. These debates are getting old.
Basically we are secure in Christ. So as long as we remain in Christ, just as the people with Paul remained in the ship, we are secure.
2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.