If you say 74k is reasonable, I feel like you might be losing touch with the people who watch the channel. For 95% of us, 74k is ridiculous and unattainable.
If you haven't purchased a brand new truck in the last year, then you are the one who is out of touch with current pricing. Yes, it's expensive. But find another brand new full sized comparable model in the segment that is so much less.
I know it’s a joke, but we gotta stop saying 75,000 is affordable or reasonable in any way lol. It’s outrageous and they really truly don’t need to cost this much.
I was in the market for a new 2024 LT Silverado trail boss with the 5.3L engine, but these are priced really high and I was not ready to make the purchase. When I was at the dealership I found a new but 2023 LT Silverado 4x4 with the 3L Duramax diesel. This truck had a sticker price of 58k but since it was last year model year it had big discount. Purchased the truck for 47k and so far I am really happy with this.
This kind of rationalization of the insane prices is amazing. Someone sells you a bucket of horse $hit for a high price and you rationalize that it’s totally reasonable price because they are selling dog turds for somewhat less. The bucket of horse $hit is practically a bargain because there is so much more content in it. How about that both piles of excrements are priced at unacceptable levels?
Manufacturers are pricing these trucks out of reach to the everyday working mans budget. Sad he said 74k is reasonable. Maybe to him but not to most of America
consider a Raptor cost, 8300 towing in the Raptor and this things mileage and the fact that not a single Raptor I found, when I bought my 6.2 ZR2, was even clost to MSRP. I was fine with the price with how insane the used truck market was nearly 2 years ago. I drove a Raptor, totally love that this still feels like a truck the Raptor was too squishy, the shocks are so amazing.
@@davidporter7051 Some people can buy a 100 of these (cash) but won't buy a single one....because they're not stupid. It's about knowing when and what to buy. It's the people that think they have money that always get ripped off, supporting automakers poor management/poor leadership/poor decisions. Buying this truck now is NOT a sign of being wealthy...it's comical
Just bought a 2023 Silverado RST with the 3.0 duramax. Love the truck. The smoothest riding truck I've ever had. And, when I baby it in warm weather, it gets over 30 mpg
Not going to complain about the price, because every vehicle has way too much inflation cost factored in, but I am interested to see how the guys like Duramax diesel. I’m a diesel daily driver and wouldn’t ever go back to gas - I’ll switch to electric first, though I’m not going to do that for years, in part because it’s hard to replace a vehicle that goes 750 miles per tank…
Ahh a relevant comment to reply to. I've been rocking a 3L Diesel in a fully loaded 2021 Ram for over a year now and absolutely love the truck. Give me a baby diesel over any other power plant imo. Now that is the 3rd Gen Italian made diesel from RAM and now discontinued, so that pretty much leaves only the Duramax. What I really really want, is a baby diesel power plant combined with front wheel electric motors, electrics that can scoot me around town for pennies, the diesel can drive the rears on the highway for 25-30mpg, join the two for some 4x4 off road action. Why no one is building that absolutely confounds me!
@@mgiraudjr Likely because the price and weight of that described truck would make this duramax look like a cheap toy. Double that if you want enough battery for non-trivial all-electric miles.
Regardless of Individual’s perception of budget and what is affordable or reasonable, the fact that a fully loaded LT Trail Boss is 68-70 and this can be 74 is one heck of a value added for about 5k.
I think 8900 pound towing capacity is plenty for the half ton class. The 12,000+ ratings are to be blunt, stupid for a half ton. And most typical half tons are going to be around 9300-9500. So 8900 is a good number. I also think half tons should come with an asterisk on their tow ratings though that exclude enclosed type trailers at those weights. That’s not a popular opinion I know but I’m sorry, an 8,000 pound camper or especially an enclosed car trailer will push a half ton truck around like a rag doll.
speaking the absolute truth here. I dragged a 7000lb (loaded) travel trailer at 33 ft in my 2020 Nissan Titan and there's absolutely no way in hell I'd go an ounce above that with a travel trailer in ANY half ton, regardless of ratings. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
In 2019 I bought a fully optioned, New 2019 Silverado 2500 HD High Country with Duramax for $66,000. Just pointing it out for a reference price point on a less capable truck in the current economic climate of high rates and even higher truck prices. We need some deflation of vehicle prices.
I got my 2018 Tacoma TRD off road 4x4 new for $35,000 out the door and they just offered me $33,000 at the dealer for trade in value with 34,000 miles on it. I just might do it lol
Local dealer here has the Bison edition Silverado ZR2 w/Duramax. $83.000! Comical. And for what it's worth the Colorado ZR2 is their ultimate off roader for trails!
2024 GMC AT4X gets the AEV front bumper without having to order the AEV package and it has massaging seats, a sunroof, and stereo in the Multipro tailgate
The automotive industry has psyoped many consumers into thinking they need all the technology, creature comforts and oversized vehicles. They're reaping what they've sowed and hopefully they all burn for long enough to bring back a low tech no tech option for consumers who just want cubic inches under the hood, a decent ride, ac/heat, a good radio and bench seat. I've never asked for nor desired to have a home entertainment system in the dash of any vehicle let alone all the distractions from the so called safety features. Their green ventures have proven to been epic fails with massive recalls, class action lawsuits and sky rocketing long term maintenance costs.
I think that the ZR2, and the GMC AT4X.especially with the AEV package, are the most off road capable 1/2-ton trucks made. Who else gives you that wonderful 3-liter diesel, and lockers front and rear. It also has that full range transfer case, and the automatic 4X4 setting. It also has that wonderful Allison 10 speed transmission. I wish others, like Jeep, Ford, and Ram had such an honest, versatile setup!
I tend to agree with the majority of this review. The Duramax is a proven powerplant that offers quite a few advantages (torque, mileage, likely durability) over the gassers. It comes to personal preference & intended use. Really nuce truck! 👍🏻
Thanks for the quick review, TFL crew. Hope we see more videos of this truck in the near future. By far, the greatest and best half ton off-road ready truck ever made, especially with the improved diesel engine. Both under Chevrolet and GMC Sierra twin. And Roman, stop complaining about the view of the hood. The bulge on the hood is a decorative piece to differentiate the truck from the other trims. And it wouldn’t be a bad view without the use of the front facing camera to see what’s in front of it. For the 74k price tag, it’s totally worth it. I could get two ZR2 diesels for the same price as an over priced and ugly Raptor R.
Nice quick overview. Thanks. Agree with the hood bulges. Why? Now, my issue: swap my '22 pre-refresh LTZ 5.3 for a '24 Duramax High Country?? My local dealer is temping me. Help! Maybe I hold out for a ZR2. Yep. Good strategy. Unobtainium. Safe. For now.
I feel like the people complaining about “it’s reasonable” being a big deal are the same people you have to repeat directions too. No one listens and understands context. Of course it’s expensive but relative to the rest of the field it’s not crazy expensive for all you get compared to mid level trucks from other brands.
I did a little research. If you plan on getting the 2 speed transfer case (w/4-Lo) you have to get the z71, trailboss, or the Zr2 packages. Otherwise you will just have Auto, 2Hi, and 4Hi.
A few weeks ago I probably would have said that is fine. But after going through the wicked ice storm in the PNW and using 4Lo to creep down roads that were literal sheets of ice, I am a fan of having that available on all trucks even if they (like me) hardly go offroad.
A base ram rebel is more than $74k guys. No 360 cameras. No adaptive cruise. No cooled seats. No heated rear seats. No leather. No diesel option. Smaller V8. Unfortunately, the price is very competitive.
This truck over a TRX !! Oh come on. I own a TRX and just bought a 2024 2500hd zr2 bison. The trx is light years ahead of the gm suspension. Rear leaf spring? Lol. What makes the trx special is its built frame up, where the gm is just a silverado with cool suspension bolted on. I love the 2500hd though.
The TRX is a toy and you know it. The fuel economy sucks, it's too wide, and it costs too much. If you are only desert running then go ahead but the zr2 is the better overall truck to daily.
Most vehicles in Canada have block heaters. Block heater plugs are usually in the grill. I have never seen a block heater plug on the bottom edge of a 4x4 bumper where it can scrape against rocks offroad or get covered in mud or ice. Are the DSSV shocks great or prone to failure/leaking? I have seen several UA-cam videos of people with low mileage (15,000-30,000 Miles) trucks that had DSSV shocks that started leaking fluid. The DSSV shocks were too expensive to replace when the warranty ran out at about 32,000 miles (a little longer for extended warranty) so the truck owners replaced them with conventional shocks.
Absolutely love the truck but also would be terrified to take it off-roading in any serious way considering the size, weight, and price. Even more so in the snow and ice.
It’s a beautiful truck, but you have to get specific ZR2 suspension parts. I’d rather get a Trail Boss fully optioned and have more aftermarket support, and cheaper support.
I just noticed that the bose system is still missing the center dash speaker. Ford, Ram, and Toyota all habe them. Its pretty disappointing to skimp on things like this.
74K and I can only guess the payments are getting near or over 1500 a month. That’s what I pay for my current mortgage. I think I’ll stick with my paid off HHR and Corolla for the time being 😅
I like more TRX or Raptor, but I didn't choose yet between them. About prices; all of them are just insane, and I'm saying in general, not only about trucks. Thanks for the video.
Actually, I'm waiting for the 2025 Chevy Tahoe the Duramax 3L LZO engine and the updated interior will be in the Tahoe and first time ever Z71 diesel model but no adaptive cruise for the Z71
I have the 2023 6.2 gas version of this truck because the Duramax wasn't an option on the ZR2 at that time. It's been a great truck, but I'd much prefer the diesel!
Looked at a 2024 diesel because I am in the same vote . In southern Ontario Canada GM dealership wants between 25000 and 30000 to upgrade my current 2023 ZR2 to a 2024 diesel ZR2. These stealerships are greedy bastards!! 30000 can buy alot of fuel!! I told the dealership I would be back next year to buy a used ZR2 at the 25 to 30 000 discount from MSRP. Crazy times
Love diesels, but a lot of down sides. Initial cost. Weight. Emissions control systems, that break. The price of Diesel now makes it pointless to have vs. Gas.
I test drove a sierra 1500 with that engine and I loved it! Just not the price. Plus the maintenance required and with that oil pump belt on the back of the block…I’ll pass. Sad to say the turbo 4 might be the most reliable engine GM makes.
The belt maintenance isn't a big deal at all. The service interval is 150,000 miles. If you drive around 12,000 miles a year then you don't have to service it for more than a decade.
Got a 2024 ZR2 diesel this past November and I absolutely love it. Great fuel economy, towing and off roading. Got 10k off, I said if the dealer didn’t take my offer they’d be sitting on this truck all year. They agreed and took the deal,truck lots are full of inventory.
So you got 10k off a truck that has been marked up 15k more than it was few years ago? Did you get the buy rate the dealer Financed it from GM, or did the dealer give you dealer hold back? It's sweet truck but with American built quality get the extended warranty before your warranty is up.
Lol... words to share, shop around at every chevy dealer for extra warranty. They have different prices and he'll need it eventually. Avoid ice cubes tv commercial at all cost lmao
@johnmorris77 and probably 7 to 8 year loan, most people zip past time or mileage warranty in few years. And more often it's the gadgets that need fixing vs drive train.
Loool you can get a low mileage Gen 3 Raptor for 74k, and a used TRX for 10k more. If you can afford 74k you can afford to buy a Gen 3 Raptor or a little more for a used TRX. Irresponsible take
Alaska and Siberia have beaches too. I bet your opinion will be different if you live on those beaches. Heck, just go to the Oregon beach. 40F temperatures and horizontal rain 9 months of the year. Beach life is so cool. Literally.
That diesel is an absolute sick dog, we replaced one of our 6.2 L trail bosses with that turd, the guy that drives it would rather have his 2019 6.2 L trail boss back it had 389,000 miles on it with zero issues. They've had that new diesel trail boss for about four or five months and it has been in the shop three times already after leaving them on the side of the road. And these aren't grocery getters like the majority are, they are in the west Texas oil field and run seven days a week and average 80,000 miles a year so it better be dependable, the next time it leaves Troy stranded it's probably gonna be in the hands of the Mexican cartel the next morning !
@@freedomisntfree_44 we run a fleet of about seven trail bosses. All of which have the 6.2 L in them and have had zero engine issues whatsoever and they stay idling or running from 6 AM in the morning till about 8 PM at night. I don’t think we have one that has less than 160,000 miles on it and it’s a 2022 model. We used to run Ford F250 diesels up until 2019, the cost of ownership per mile is unsustainable they are pure junk after about 60,000 miles, mechanically fine but all the junk that goes with a diesel is not worth putting it on the road and making money with it.
@@golfbravowhiskey8669thanks for sharing that. I have a 6.2 ZR2, and I’m happy with the performance and fuel economy. Was a little concerned with the 6.2 but so far I’ve not had one issue with it. That said I only have 10k miles on it. Just got back from a trip, Dallas to San Diego, went through Midland and as you said, saw a bunch of F250s but also saw a lot of white Silverados, owned by the oil well service companies.
I don’t know if they are rebuildable but they are tremendously expensive. I had the gen 1 ZR2 Colorado years ago and the s hocks were $1,600 per corner that time, new.
With all that road salt on that frame you might want to take it down to your local Krown oil coating shop and have it coated before that frame starts rusting away. The wax on that frame won't hold up.
Cowpokie doesn't use salt, now where the truck came from Michigan? They do also WHY it distinctively has a block heater! No vehicle unless specifically ordered per owner in CO comes with a Block heater, bc it's unjustified! CO has more Sun statistically not joking than Los Angeles & Miami Combined. - SEE VIDEO of patches of "snow" in the "Mountains" aka hills lol😂
I hate when they compare vehicles to others that aren't in its class. This truck is comparable to the GMC's AT4X. The only downside I see is the deterioration in GM manufacturing regarding engine and transmission reliability...
f150 raptor or trx are not commercial vehicles. Yet starts at 77k and 96 for the trx. Where you can get a 2024. 2500 zr2 diesel for 79k. That can tow more than double of what the raptor can. You get 300lb ft(200trx) of torque more in the zr2 HD. For just 2k more than the raptor. Not to mention more cab space. So it may not be able to handle the beating. A raptor or trx can take off road. However it's definitely the truck that can come deep in the mud and get the raptor and trx out. And if you're inclined to throw away another 9k the bison package could be yours. And its just the meanest looking truck on the market imo.
Nice truck in isolation, but the Raptor is vastly more capable. It can sustain speeds of 60+ on whoops over a foot deep, it leads in every clearance category with the 37s, it has active suspension adjustment, and it has coil springs vs the leafs on the ZR2. Plus, it won’t crack down the middle after a day of off-roading (reference Mint 400 ZR2 that broke at the end of the race).
Bought a new Sierra with DFM factory delete in 2021. Just hit 29,000 miles and haven’t had any issues with lifters, but I did recently start having a rough shifting transmission.
@@jayk.2276 damn sorry to hear that. I love the new look of the Chevy trucks but too many are suffering from quality problems. I have an 03 5.3 with almost 200k and hasn’t had a mechanical failure.
$74000 for that wonderful GM quality? It probably comes with multiple recalls as soon as you drive off the lot. How many dash lights were on after the video?
It's only 75K cause people are stupid enough to pay it throw their money away. I just purchased a truck that's being built right now for 41K leather interior everything. Just purchased a truck 2 years ago full size truck for 42K.
The price of these trucks is the reason the used market has exploded…I have a 2019 LTZ with the 6.2 and it’s not uncommon for people to ask me if I want to sell it….had more than a few calls from the dealership asking to buy it back…but it has calmed down since they’ve gotten more inventory on the lots…but it doesn’t matter. Not selling now any way…..
Yeah, no I have to agree, becoming numb to the idea that 65k+ for a mid level truck is far from reasonable, a 2019 F250 diesel 4x4 Platinum had a sticker of 64k according to Motor Trend. Throw another 10k just in case there's a typo and you get my point. I still haven't figured out what the car markets going to do after the people that got bent over and gagged for buying in this pandemic are going to get anything close to what they paid for it in trade in. I suspect we will start seeing 120 month financing to become normal to keep up with these ridiculous prices. Let's not forget the youngins that are needing to get into a vehicle when a pile of crap right now is going to run you 15 grand on average.
I have not owned a Chevy in 20 years. Has the quality and reliability improved? I only had Chevy's for 20 years and they ALL fell apart 100%. Since I have had Ford King Ranch F150 x2, Nissan Frontier x2 and a Jeep 392. These vehicles have had zero issues.
I have owned 10 Silverado’s in last 10 years , Chevy just wouldn’t build the super truck , now I’m in a Raptor , cmon Chevy , interior upgrade . 35” tires min prefer 37” wider stance and super charge the 6.2
I would Never buy this truck for local, stop/go, driving. I would only buy this engine for WORK...HARD WORK. The DEF systems in diesels are Silly, Silly, Silly expensive to replace when they get clogged up and rendered useless by light duty, idling, et al.
If you say 74k is reasonable, I feel like you might be losing touch with the people who watch the channel. For 95% of us, 74k is ridiculous and unattainable.
Might? 5 yrs ago he was telling us how a 65k Rubicon is a good deal. This channel has went to shit.
Perhaps they are meaning reasonable compared to the similar build by other brands
If you haven't purchased a brand new truck in the last year, then you are the one who is out of touch with current pricing. Yes, it's expensive. But find another brand new full sized comparable model in the segment that is so much less.
@@eblamo If you've purchased a new truck in the past year, you overpaid. Period.
Roman doesn’t dictate pricing, so it’s pretty crazy that you take offense to that.
I know it’s a joke, but we gotta stop saying 75,000 is affordable or reasonable in any way lol. It’s outrageous and they really truly don’t need to cost this much.
He didn’t say it as a joke. He kind of meant it.
amen. cost of these trucks is ridiculous especially considering the mfg's are making record profits. time we vote with our dollars.
@@freidrichnietzsche6643people are voting with their dollars. These trucks are selling.
I was in the market for a new 2024 LT Silverado trail boss with the 5.3L engine, but these are priced really high and I was not ready to make the purchase. When I was at the dealership I found a new but 2023 LT Silverado 4x4 with the 3L Duramax diesel. This truck had a sticker price of 58k but since it was last year model year it had big discount. Purchased the truck for 47k and so far I am really happy with this.
The price of that truck is ridiculous
Most base model trucks start at $45k now a days, so its not really expensive in todays economy. The days of $50K fully loaded vehicles are gone
This kind of rationalization of the insane prices is amazing. Someone sells you a bucket of horse $hit for a high price and you rationalize that it’s totally reasonable price because they are selling dog turds for somewhat less. The bucket of horse $hit is practically a bargain because there is so much more content in it. How about that both piles of excrements are priced at unacceptable levels?
stop being poor
The Ford Raptor costs even more. Never saw a '23 Raptor priced less than $95,000 in my state.
The price of life is ridiculous. You better try and have some fun
Manufacturers are pricing these trucks out of reach to the everyday working mans budget. Sad he said 74k is reasonable. Maybe to him but not to most of America
He said it was "expensive but..." Obviously compared to a Raptor R at over 100k, 74k is much less.
Everyday working man does not need the fancy off-road version either. These are luxury items, not guaranteed by the constitution
my price nothing added is $65k, the GMC AT4X but you get more is $73,841
Most base model trucks start at $45k now a days, so its not really expensive in todays economy. The days of $50K fully loaded vehicles are gone
Why should a top trim offroad truck be affordable to everyone. If you want a cheaper full size truck by a custom trail boss or an fx4 f150.
74k is absolutely a deal breaker
Most base model trucks start at $45k now a days, so its not really expensive in todays economy. The days of $50K fully loaded vehicles are gone
consider a Raptor cost, 8300 towing in the Raptor and this things mileage and the fact that not a single Raptor I found, when I bought my 6.2 ZR2, was even clost to MSRP. I was fine with the price with how insane the used truck market was nearly 2 years ago. I drove a Raptor, totally love that this still feels like a truck the Raptor was too squishy, the shocks are so amazing.
stop being poor
@@davidporter7051 Some people can buy a 100 of these (cash) but won't buy a single one....because they're not stupid. It's about knowing when and what to buy. It's the people that think they have money that always get ripped off, supporting automakers poor management/poor leadership/poor decisions. Buying this truck now is NOT a sign of being wealthy...it's comical
Just bought a 2023 Silverado RST with the 3.0 duramax. Love the truck. The smoothest riding truck I've ever had. And, when I baby it in warm weather, it gets over 30 mpg
Congratulations I’m so jealous. It costs 120.000$ where I’m from. So can’t get it. Enjoy buddy.
At that price and no 35s while your smaller Colorado brother does get 35s is a shame.
The Bison, not the ZR2. The Colorado on 33" tires probably has better clearance than this truck on 35" tires.
@@jeffk464 but when it comes to that price , it has to come with it. We’re talking about 82K+ for a bison model.
74k is only reasonable when you have money falling out of your deep pockets, lol
stop being poor
@@davidporter7051 you need some new material
Not going to complain about the price, because every vehicle has way too much inflation cost factored in, but I am interested to see how the guys like Duramax diesel. I’m a diesel daily driver and wouldn’t ever go back to gas - I’ll switch to electric first, though I’m not going to do that for years, in part because it’s hard to replace a vehicle that goes 750 miles per tank…
Ahh a relevant comment to reply to. I've been rocking a 3L Diesel in a fully loaded 2021 Ram for over a year now and absolutely love the truck. Give me a baby diesel over any other power plant imo. Now that is the 3rd Gen Italian made diesel from RAM and now discontinued, so that pretty much leaves only the Duramax. What I really really want, is a baby diesel power plant combined with front wheel electric motors, electrics that can scoot me around town for pennies, the diesel can drive the rears on the highway for 25-30mpg, join the two for some 4x4 off road action. Why no one is building that absolutely confounds me!
Love my 3.0 duramax
@@mgiraudjr Likely because the price and weight of that described truck would make this duramax look like a cheap toy. Double that if you want enough battery for non-trivial all-electric miles.
truck prices haven't changed since 2000.
Regardless of Individual’s perception of budget and what is affordable or reasonable, the fact that a fully loaded LT Trail Boss is 68-70 and this can be 74 is one heck of a value added for about 5k.
I think 8900 pound towing capacity is plenty for the half ton class. The 12,000+ ratings are to be blunt, stupid for a half ton. And most typical half tons are going to be around 9300-9500. So 8900 is a good number.
I also think half tons should come with an asterisk on their tow ratings though that exclude enclosed type trailers at those weights. That’s not a popular opinion I know but I’m sorry, an 8,000 pound camper or especially an enclosed car trailer will push a half ton truck around like a rag doll.
speaking the absolute truth here. I dragged a 7000lb (loaded) travel trailer at 33 ft in my 2020 Nissan Titan and there's absolutely no way in hell I'd go an ounce above that with a travel trailer in ANY half ton, regardless of ratings. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
In 2019 I bought a fully optioned, New 2019 Silverado 2500 HD High Country with Duramax for $66,000. Just pointing it out for a reference price point on a less capable truck in the current economic climate of high rates and even higher truck prices.
We need some deflation of vehicle prices.
Damn you scored man. That’s prob $85-90k now
I got my 2018 Tacoma TRD off road 4x4 new for $35,000 out the door and they just offered me $33,000 at the dealer for trade in value with 34,000 miles on it. I just might do it lol
I get where he is coming from by saying 74k isn't bad. When Ford and Ram have trucks over 100k, 74k doesn't look as bad. Thats all he was saying.
Local dealer here has the Bison edition Silverado ZR2 w/Duramax. $83.000! Comical.
And for what it's worth the Colorado ZR2 is their ultimate off roader for trails!
2024 GMC AT4X gets the AEV front bumper without having to order the AEV package and it has massaging seats, a sunroof, and stereo in the Multipro tailgate
The automotive industry has psyoped many consumers into thinking they need all the technology, creature comforts and oversized vehicles. They're reaping what they've sowed and hopefully they all burn for long enough to bring back a low tech no tech option for consumers who just want cubic inches under the hood, a decent ride, ac/heat, a good radio and bench seat. I've never asked for nor desired to have a home entertainment system in the dash of any vehicle let alone all the distractions from the so called safety features. Their green ventures have proven to been epic fails with massive recalls, class action lawsuits and sky rocketing long term maintenance costs.
I think that the ZR2, and the GMC AT4X.especially with the AEV package, are the most off road capable 1/2-ton trucks made.
Who else gives you that wonderful 3-liter diesel, and lockers front and rear. It also has that full range transfer case, and the automatic 4X4 setting. It also has that wonderful Allison 10 speed transmission. I wish others, like Jeep, Ford, and Ram had such an honest, versatile setup!
I tend to agree with the majority of this review. The Duramax is a proven powerplant that offers quite a few advantages (torque, mileage, likely durability) over the gassers. It comes to personal preference & intended use.
Really nuce truck! 👍🏻
All that reliability and can't even Crack 300hp in that duramax
Thanks for the quick review, TFL crew. Hope we see more videos of this truck in the near future.
By far, the greatest and best half ton off-road ready truck ever made, especially with the improved diesel engine. Both under Chevrolet and GMC Sierra twin.
And Roman, stop complaining about the view of the hood. The bulge on the hood is a decorative piece to differentiate the truck from the other trims. And it wouldn’t be a bad view without the use of the front facing camera to see what’s in front of it.
For the 74k price tag, it’s totally worth it. I could get two ZR2 diesels for the same price as an over priced and ugly Raptor R.
Can’t afford to watch this video. I’ll wait for the next W/T video.
I just got a 24 Zr2 paid under 70 and it’s an awesome truck
Nice quick overview. Thanks. Agree with the hood bulges. Why? Now, my issue: swap my '22 pre-refresh LTZ 5.3 for a '24 Duramax High Country?? My local dealer is temping me. Help! Maybe I hold out for a ZR2. Yep. Good strategy. Unobtainium. Safe. For now.
There’s a dealer down the road for me that has had two raptors sitting on the lot for three months now….
I feel like the people complaining about “it’s reasonable” being a big deal are the same people you have to repeat directions too. No one listens and understands context. Of course it’s expensive but relative to the rest of the field it’s not crazy expensive for all you get compared to mid level trucks from other brands.
In Australia the ZR2 is now available in right hand drive with the 6.2 which is the only version ive seen so far. They are $92,000usd driveaway
Use the underbody cameras when offroading. Those and the surround camera system make offroading easy in this truck.
Dream truck! Wish they were affordable!
I did a little research. If you plan on getting the 2 speed transfer case (w/4-Lo) you have to get the z71, trailboss, or the Zr2 packages. Otherwise you will just have Auto, 2Hi, and 4Hi.
A few weeks ago I probably would have said that is fine. But after going through the wicked ice storm in the PNW and using 4Lo to creep down roads that were literal sheets of ice, I am a fan of having that available on all trucks even if they (like me) hardly go offroad.
@@ALMX5DP
Had the same thing happen to me as well .
Atleast with the ZR2 you can lock both diffs if necessary
A base ram rebel is more than $74k guys. No 360 cameras. No adaptive cruise. No cooled seats. No heated rear seats. No leather. No diesel option. Smaller V8. Unfortunately, the price is very competitive.
This truck over a TRX !! Oh come on. I own a TRX and just bought a 2024 2500hd zr2 bison. The trx is light years ahead of the gm suspension. Rear leaf spring? Lol. What makes the trx special is its built frame up, where the gm is just a silverado with cool suspension bolted on. I love the 2500hd though.
The TRX is a toy and you know it. The fuel economy sucks, it's too wide, and it costs too much. If you are only desert running then go ahead but the zr2 is the better overall truck to daily.
I'm seeing $10K to $12K off Silverado 1500 ZR2s all over the place. I think at that price, and not the MSRP, its a pretty good deal.
Most vehicles in Canada have block heaters. Block heater plugs are usually in the grill. I have never seen a block heater plug on the bottom edge of a 4x4 bumper where it can scrape against rocks offroad or get covered in mud or ice. Are the DSSV shocks great or prone to failure/leaking? I have seen several UA-cam videos of people with low mileage (15,000-30,000 Miles) trucks that had DSSV shocks that started leaking fluid. The DSSV shocks were too expensive to replace when the warranty ran out at about 32,000 miles (a little longer for extended warranty) so the truck owners replaced them with conventional shocks.
Low mileage leak I would assume warranty would cover ??
Exactly.@@brians.1357
Yeah those aren’t the same quality as the DSSVs on other vehicles.
Just got a trail boss with the 3L Duramax. Man that is one nice engine. Very pleasantly surprised by its performance
Now question is, go 6.2 or 3.0? Really looking into a ZR2 Bison.
Duramax
I had both and 3.0 all day. For day to day driving the 6.2 is a guzzler and as we all know will eventually have issues.
@PhilBiamonte
Yes the 6.2 likes the fuel ,but sounds so good with a aftermarket exhaust.
Who knows when the v8's will be gone for good
@@robqwertyuipp8750: Not anytime soon . GM just invested almost a billion dollars in New v8 engine production capability for a gen6 small block .
Two things missing: larger fuel tank and lower geared diffs, especially with the bigger tires!
Absolutely love the truck but also would be terrified to take it off-roading in any serious way considering the size, weight, and price. Even more so in the snow and ice.
The question is if you had a choice between the ford tremor and the zr2 6.2 liter. Which one would you go with for everyday use?
I have owned both and as a everyday the tremor is by far more comfy
It’s a beautiful truck, but you have to get specific ZR2 suspension parts. I’d rather get a Trail Boss fully optioned and have more aftermarket support, and cheaper support.
I just noticed that the bose system is still missing the center dash speaker. Ford, Ram, and Toyota all habe them. Its pretty disappointing to skimp on things like this.
GM killed it with the LZ0, all the “Chevy sucks” peeps are converting, you love to see it 🔥💪🏼
I have an LZO in my Denali and I gotta say - it’s amazing!
Looking forward to many more videos on this truck.
74K and I can only guess the payments are getting near or over 1500 a month. That’s what I pay for my current mortgage. I think I’ll stick with my paid off HHR and Corolla for the time being 😅
So the block heater connection is a proprietary plug?? Why not just a 120 inlet that accepts a regular single outlet cord??????? @0:21
Sorry but could you please enlighten me for what block heater is?
@@yahtadi5152 It is an electric heater to keep the engine coolant warm so the vehicle will start in sub zero temperatures.
IM a GM loyalist and Ram hater but you guys are smoking something,705HP vs 420HP for dam near the same money.Guess which will hold value you better?
Show me they're the same money on lots lol
I like more TRX or Raptor, but I didn't choose yet between them. About prices; all of them are just insane, and I'm saying in general, not only about trucks. Thanks for the video.
The engine can be modified so its not a dealbreaker but the $74k price tag for something that is gonna get destroyed is not fair at all n
Actually, I'm waiting for the 2025 Chevy Tahoe the Duramax 3L LZO engine and the updated interior will be in the Tahoe and first time ever Z71 diesel model but no adaptive cruise for the Z71
Why not a Yukon? Got a neighbor that just grabbed a 24 Yukon Denali with the LZ0. She's LOVING it.
@@ZDrum16 I wouldn't be taking a Denali off-road, Z71 will have skid plates and off-road tires
I have the 2023 6.2 gas version of this truck because the Duramax wasn't an option on the ZR2 at that time. It's been a great truck, but I'd much prefer the diesel!
Looked at a 2024 diesel because I am in the same vote .
In southern Ontario Canada GM dealership wants between 25000 and 30000 to upgrade my current 2023 ZR2 to a 2024 diesel ZR2.
These stealerships are greedy bastards!!
30000 can buy alot of fuel!!
I told the dealership I would be back next year to buy a used ZR2 at the 25 to 30 000 discount from MSRP.
Crazy times
Dunno why people prefer a small engine with turbos on it.
I currently have a 2019 RAM Laramie.
My next truck will be a Chevy/GMC, just for the V8. I just hope the engine quality will improve.
Love diesels, but a lot of down sides. Initial cost. Weight. Emissions control systems, that break. The price of Diesel now makes it pointless to have vs. Gas.
I test drove a sierra 1500 with that engine and I loved it! Just not the price. Plus the maintenance required and with that oil pump belt on the back of the block…I’ll pass. Sad to say the turbo 4 might be the most reliable engine GM makes.
The belt maintenance isn't a big deal at all. The service interval is 150,000 miles. If you drive around 12,000 miles a year then you don't have to service it for more than a decade.
Anything over dodge if you want your electronics and software to last longer than 2 years or 3 software updates.
Got a 2024 ZR2 diesel this past November and I absolutely love it. Great fuel economy, towing and off roading. Got 10k off, I said if the dealer didn’t take my offer they’d be sitting on this truck all year. They agreed and took the deal,truck lots are full of inventory.
So you got 10k off a truck that has been marked up 15k more than it was few years ago? Did you get the buy rate the dealer Financed it from GM, or did the dealer give you dealer hold back? It's sweet truck but with American built quality get the extended warranty before your warranty is up.
@@davidlusk4350the extended warranty people will still call you regardless. 😂
Lol... words to share, shop around at every chevy dealer for extra warranty. They have different prices and he'll need it eventually. Avoid ice cubes tv commercial at all cost lmao
@@davidlusk4350it has a 100,000 mile power train..
@johnmorris77 and probably 7 to 8 year loan, most people zip past time or mileage warranty in few years. And more often it's the gadgets that need fixing vs drive train.
Maybe you guys should do better explain to consumers overpaying for truck is massive mistake since once it leave the lot you just lost 8% of msrp
Does it at least have a frint camera to offset that massive hood bulge?
Front parking sensors would be a great addition on this top end model , can't belive on a 90000 plus truck in Canada they aren't!!
Finally ! A proper substitute for the Gladiator EcoDiesel
Loool you can get a low mileage Gen 3 Raptor for 74k, and a used TRX for 10k more. If you can afford 74k you can afford to buy a Gen 3 Raptor or a little more for a used TRX. Irresponsible take
That integrated block heater plug should be on every vehicle.
Alaska and Siberia have beaches too. I bet your opinion will be different if you live on those beaches. Heck, just go to the Oregon beach. 40F temperatures and horizontal rain 9 months of the year. Beach life is so cool. Literally.
That diesel is an absolute sick dog, we replaced one of our 6.2 L trail bosses with that turd, the guy that drives it would rather have his 2019 6.2 L trail boss back it had 389,000 miles on it with zero issues.
They've had that new diesel trail boss for about four or five months and it has been in the shop three times already after leaving them on the side of the road.
And these aren't grocery getters like the majority are, they are in the west Texas oil field and run seven days a week and average 80,000 miles a year so it better be dependable, the next time it leaves Troy stranded it's probably gonna be in the hands of the Mexican cartel the next morning !
Plenty of 5.3s and 6.2s don’t even make it to the first oil change before they💥
@@freedomisntfree_44 we run a fleet of about seven trail bosses. All of which have the 6.2 L in them and have had zero engine issues whatsoever and they stay idling or running from 6 AM in the morning till about 8 PM at night. I don’t think we have one that has less than 160,000 miles on it and it’s a 2022 model.
We used to run Ford F250 diesels up until 2019, the cost of ownership per mile is unsustainable they are pure junk after about 60,000 miles, mechanically fine but all the junk that goes with a diesel is not worth putting it on the road and making money with it.
@@golfbravowhiskey8669 ford don’t have a lawsuit for blowing engines so ok 👌
@@golfbravowhiskey8669thanks for sharing that. I have a 6.2 ZR2, and I’m happy with the performance and fuel economy. Was a little concerned with the 6.2 but so far I’ve not had one issue with it. That said I only have 10k miles on it. Just got back from a trip, Dallas to San Diego, went through Midland and as you said, saw a bunch of F250s but also saw a lot of white Silverados, owned by the oil well service companies.
Chevy needs to get rid of the leaf springs and make an electric version of this truck then this would be a good truck.
And let’s not forget the runner belt that runs the oil pump😢.
Are those DSSVs rebuildable?
I don’t know if they are rebuildable but they are tremendously expensive. I had the gen 1 ZR2 Colorado years ago and the s hocks were $1,600 per corner that time, new.
@@is6566 it’s insane. If they’re not rebuildable I’d just upgrade to Kings honestly
Andre is jealous, it has cruise control.
😂
Roman, "this should get 500 miles oit of a tank". My Ford gets 600 on cheaper gasoline... Yawn. And it didn't cost $74k
With all that road salt on that frame you might want to take it down to your local Krown oil coating shop and have it coated before that frame starts rusting away. The wax on that frame won't hold up.
I’ve seen Krown strip the wax off
They'll own it for 1 year if its not a quick loaner. Do you think they care about that??😂😂
Cowpokie doesn't use salt, now where the truck came from Michigan? They do also WHY it distinctively has a block heater! No vehicle unless specifically ordered per owner in CO comes with a Block heater, bc it's unjustified! CO has more Sun statistically not joking than Los Angeles & Miami Combined. - SEE VIDEO of patches of "snow" in the "Mountains" aka hills lol😂
I been using Krown for almost 9 years on my truck and didn't affect the wax at all. @@k9feces
That is a lot of money, but 90 grand for a jeep is ridiculous
is it possible to compare Ineos Grenadier vs Chevrolet Silverado 1500 zr2?
You can get one with 20K miles now for 50k. Just worry about the Fuel Management System with the collapsible lifters.
Love my 6.2 2022 Zr2
I hate when they compare vehicles to others that aren't in its class. This truck is comparable to the GMC's AT4X. The only downside I see is the deterioration in GM manufacturing regarding engine and transmission reliability...
I see a lot of complaints about the price of new trucks.=, but on the other hand so many want every possible option, what did you expect?
You finally got the long term Grenadier!
Mine is worth every penny mpg is great with the 3.0 ride is amazing.
f150 raptor or trx are not commercial vehicles. Yet starts at 77k and 96 for the trx. Where you can get a 2024. 2500 zr2 diesel for 79k. That can tow more than double of what the raptor can. You get 300lb ft(200trx) of torque more in the zr2 HD. For just 2k more than the raptor. Not to mention more cab space. So it may not be able to handle the beating. A raptor or trx can take off road. However it's definitely the truck that can come deep in the mud and get the raptor and trx out. And if you're inclined to throw away another 9k the bison package could be yours. And its just the meanest looking truck on the market imo.
And the mileage? Must be great!
$74,000 is still insanely expensive for a good portion of the automotive buying world...
Nice truck in isolation, but the Raptor is vastly more capable. It can sustain speeds of 60+ on whoops over a foot deep, it leads in every clearance category with the 37s, it has active suspension adjustment, and it has coil springs vs the leafs on the ZR2. Plus, it won’t crack down the middle after a day of off-roading (reference Mint 400 ZR2 that broke at the end of the race).
your post reads like an AI advertisement.
74k with some good discounts that are usually available and this wins out every time to your raptors, trx, etc
GM still having lifter issues?
Bought a new Sierra with DFM factory delete in 2021. Just hit 29,000 miles and haven’t had any issues with lifters, but I did recently start having a rough shifting transmission.
@@jayk.2276 damn sorry to hear that. I love the new look of the Chevy trucks but too many are suffering from quality problems. I have an 03 5.3 with almost 200k and hasn’t had a mechanical failure.
$74000 for that wonderful GM quality? It probably comes with multiple recalls as soon as you drive off the lot. How many dash lights were on after the video?
None... it shut itself off to prevent user errors 😂
You're definitely thinking of Ford..
Mpg run when?
I can't believe gm has not built a supercharged offroad truck like ford and ram!! They have all the tech and parts.
Holy cow that's a ridiculous price for a Chevy!!! The Honda ridgeline is cheaper in a million times more truck than this one!!!!!
Everyone in the comments complaining about prices, but I bet if you look in their driveway they have one that costs just as much!
It's only 75K cause people are stupid enough to pay it throw their money away. I just purchased a truck that's being built right now for 41K leather interior everything. Just purchased a truck 2 years ago full size truck for 42K.
Can’t get 5.3 on the zr2
The price of these trucks is the reason the used market has exploded…I have a 2019 LTZ with the 6.2 and it’s not uncommon for people to ask me if I want to sell it….had more than a few calls from the dealership asking to buy it back…but it has calmed down since they’ve gotten more inventory on the lots…but it doesn’t matter. Not selling now any way…..
Is the Cadillac 800 hp v8 motor a solid reliable motor
Yeah, no I have to agree, becoming numb to the idea that 65k+ for a mid level truck is far from reasonable, a 2019 F250 diesel 4x4 Platinum had a sticker of 64k according to Motor Trend. Throw another 10k just in case there's a typo and you get my point.
I still haven't figured out what the car markets going to do after the people that got bent over and gagged for buying in this pandemic are going to get anything close to what they paid for it in trade in. I suspect we will start seeing 120 month financing to become normal to keep up with these ridiculous prices.
Let's not forget the youngins that are needing to get into a vehicle when a pile of crap right now is going to run you 15 grand on average.
Compare the price to its competitors it’s actually the most affordable
TFL is becoming easily one of the most delusional channels on YT. You guys do not do logic anymore.
Is the ZR2 even in the same level as Raptor and TRX?? I say no 🤷🏻♂️
I have not owned a Chevy in 20 years. Has the quality and reliability improved? I only had Chevy's for 20 years and they ALL fell apart 100%. Since I have had Ford King Ranch F150 x2, Nissan Frontier x2 and a Jeep 392. These vehicles have had zero issues.
I have owned 10 Silverado’s in last 10 years , Chevy just wouldn’t build the super truck , now I’m in a Raptor , cmon Chevy , interior upgrade . 35” tires min prefer 37” wider stance and super charge the 6.2
Cool truck and review🤩thanks!
Beautiful truck. The prices are insane. but his is relatively "affordable" for what you get!!
I would Never buy this truck for local, stop/go, driving. I would only buy this engine for WORK...HARD WORK. The DEF systems in diesels are Silly, Silly, Silly expensive to replace when they get clogged up and rendered useless by light duty, idling, et al.
Nice work guys
I'll keep my Gen 3 Raptor thank you...
Since when do 'working men' need a luxury vehicle? Which is what this is.