i like it when people complain about filling up a 36 gallon tank. it costs the exact same amount monthly filling up that tank once or twice, vs filling up a 20 gallon tank 3 or 4 times lol! I'd rather have a huge tank and 700-800 miles of driving non-stop and get where i'm going. which is why i'm really considering a 60 gallon on my super duty!
@@omardevonlittle3817if you're talking 36 gallon vs 23 gallon it's really only around 100lbs extra with a full tank. It's extra weight but not sure if it's enough to make a noticable difference in efficiency. You're right though, it's extra weight
I drive a 2021 Toyota Tundra and it has a 38 gallon fuel tank. It is such a huge blessing! The fact I can go over 600 miles on a tank without filling up makes my somewhat regular road trips much more manageable because I do not have to stop usually in-between stops for work. Not only that, when I am towing 7,000-8,000 lbs and I am only getting 10-11 mpg, I do not have to stop every two hours to refuel like I had to with my F-150 ecoboost because it has the gas tank size of a 65 year old woman's bladder! Trust me the bigger the better when it comes to fuel tanks.
You wouldn't even notice the extra weight, and if you really care, just don't fully fill the 36 gallon tank. However, the fact that the Silverado 1500 doesnt even have an option for a larger tank makes it immediately useless to me. There are places I tow my travel trailer where I physically could not get to and back out with a 24 gallon tank. When you are towing into a bad headwind getting 7 mpg, that 24 gallon tank is a serious problem. It has an actual towing range of
So my dumbass bought a 23 tundra with the self grenading engine feature. Tundra sucked but i sold it before the recall. I was looking at the Tremor, the Rebel, and the ZR2. I couldn't find a Tremor with an 8 cy. The rebel financing was outrageous and Ram got rid of the Hemi! The ZR2 had the 8 cylinder and 1.9% financing. First chevy truck I've owned in 20 years. So far so good - if i don't drive like an idiot I'm getting high teens even 20 mpg. Ram has the best interior, I prefer the Coyote 5.0 and the F150 interior, but the ZR2 was the best option available. So far, I love it.
My wife’s uncle just bought a used tundra new body with the grenade engine he told me he got a “real good” deal on it since they had 6 other used ones on the lot I told him about the engine and he didn’t believe me we will see what happens in a few months 😂 them having 6 used ones in the lot should have been a red flag
For most of my life I have been pretty pro-Toyota (even growing up in west Texas). I ordered a 23 Tremor Coyote Gen 3 last February and it took about a month to get it. I easily get about 20 mpg combined if I stay out of sport mode. I didn't buy a Toyota this time because they dropped the V8 and recovery hooks (and I don't like the huge grill). I didn't buy a GM because we had horrible luck with a 2018 half ton, even though I thought the truck's looks were solid. I sold my 2013 Rock Warrior Tundra to our company for a work truck when I bought the Tremor. It has been the best (and oldest) truck in the local fleet since then (we work in the four corners where O&G work sites are generally not friendly to get to). I still have an 02 Taco TRD that needs a new slave cylinder for the clutch after 200k miles (one of the few trucks that has never left me stranded). I've owned a lot of trucks (many Toyotas, Fords, and GMs), but the thought of potentially getting rid of that Taco bothers me to my core. I never became a Chrystler/Dodge guy because I grew up in an era that was not favorable to them reliability-wise. They have some great-looking trucks and cars though. Peace, Love!!
Just purchased a loaded 24 Titan Pro 4x for under $54k. $80k is insane crazy for a truck. Thats a $26K price difference. My prior truck was a 15 F150 Lariat which I then paid $43k. Prices of trucks almost doubled in 10 years. Again...Insane crazy!!
I hate how the 24 tremor looks in white. Looks like a basic work truck lol. But mechanically it is the superior truck. Asides from the cheap shocks youre getting a much better transfer case and front diff, way more powerful engine and itd towing and payload arent slashed. They need to do something about the front grill though, its a downgrade from the previous year
I have a white F150 Platinum; I like the basic work truck look, as it blends in more in parking lots and is less likely to get unwanted attention from nefarious individuals. I also find that the police don’t bother me as much either. Only thing better would be adding a fake company name to the side.
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I went with a Frontier just because it wasn't forced induction. The gmc/Chevy mid size looks superior in areas when I was shopping. I just don't want forced induction out of warranty and I keep my vehicles a long time. Im also very aware there our many people who have zero issues with their turboed oem engines.
Smart move, I had a forced induction engine "not naming names" & a little over a 100,000 miles it was finished. And after mine failed I started looking & it's quite common.
I think you've underestimated the Torsen front differential in the Tremor. Having had them in both axles of my Jeep, as well as lockers in other trucks, I would pick Torsens over lockers any day in a truck that gets daily driven in a wide variety of conditions. There are very very few situations where that front locker would given an advantage over a torsen, and it would probably involve dragging your frame over rocks while you have tires lifted in the air. Even then the Torsen would still do well. Honestly, I'd be happier if the Tremor came with Torsens in both axles.
@@Jay-me7gwYeah absolutely not, lockers are plain better. My 06 TJ Rubicon when it was stock vs my 98 TJ with the Track-Lok differential was night and day, yeah you might still get up with an LSD but you’re gonna slip and possibly slide off what ever you’re climbing till it engages. If you’re going to go off-road, lockers are plain better. If you’re gonna drive on the road 90% of the time maybe just buy an Fx4 or trailboss Lol.
@@braddenr.4778 Plain better for what? Pure rock crawling? Sure. But these trucks are going to spend 99% of their miles on pavement. Also, you dont seem to know how a helical LSD works. It doesnt engage. Its instantaneous. The Track-Lok sucked and are knock to stop functioning at low miles.
I've own a 2023 ZR2 6.2. Bought it new a year ago. LOVE it. Favorite truck I've ever owned. I did upgrade the exhaust to a Borla exhaust. Amazing truck. I had a 2010 F150 so I thought I was going to buy a Raptor when I went truck shopping. I drove both and loved the ZR2 so much more. Raptor is a great truck, just preferred the ZR2 personally.
Love mine too, too bad it has already been in the shop 3 times. Once for electrical issues, once for a def fluid line leak that put it into lymp mode, and now it’s an emission issue engine light that they can’t figure out.😢 I’m almost regretting this purchase. Love the truck but I’m already on 3 strikes in 9,000 miles.
@Jay-me7gw nope. Plus you gotta pay an additional $5k. The previous gen tremor looked better than the current one. This one looks like an old man's truck with no capabilities.
@ShelbyvsViper that's unfortunate but all car manufacturers have their handful of issues. I've put 6k miles so far in 4 months and nothing yet. I previously owned a 21 rst with the diesel as well for 40k miles no issues either.
If they were comparing the EcoBoost vs the Chevy 5.3, they might have an actual comparison as to which expensive truck has the least-reliable engine. But this? The LZ0 is soooo much better than that EcoBoost. They shoulda tested a 5.0 Coyote vs the LZ0 to make it a fair fight as far as reliability goes.
@@huntsonora I bought a new 2023 with the V8. The vehicle selling price was 65ish out the door was 68 with taxes and such. They don’t have those BS fees. I knew what I wanted and I bought it all online and we drove out from central Illinois to pick it up. It was detailed and had a full tank of gas when we got there. We were in and out in 30 min. Oh and that’s with the 402a high trim. So all the goodies including leather and the full panel moon roof.
@@huntsonora they are doing 4% under invoice on new f150s right now. im going up in August to grab mine. heard about them from the ford forums and UA-cam
Ya and idiots will buy and validate these companies just to keep up with the joneses with their $1400 a month payment. prices will just keep going up at this point.
Test drove both of them when I was truck shopping in 2023, and I would have to say the ZR2 had a better ride. Test drove both on uneven and bumpy roads. I was amazed at how good the ZR2 performed. The ZR2 was also the quietest cabin I've driven in terms of wind/ambient sounds
@rootstriker1618 Agreed. I was actually wanting either a Rebel or a Limited since I had a 2019 Tradesman 5th gen. I loved everything about that truck, considering it was a basic truck. I wanted to upgrade, but at the time, there weren't any Rebel or Limited with the options I would have wanted. So, I went with a 2023 Tundra 1794 Edition because it had almost everything I would have wanted on a Ram for less. Thankfully, mine doesn't have an engine recall due to the time when it was produced. But, I sure do miss having a Hemi, especially since I removed the muffler and resonator to install an after-market resonator alone to give it a nice loud growl
Around here, diesel is at least $1/g more than gasoline. That more than offsets the higher mileage of the diesel. There are other reasons to buy a diesel, but on a 1/2 ton, it just doesn't pay fuel wise. Life of the engines may be another factor, but only time will tell if the diesel is that much better. Lastly, DEF and super expensive oil changes need to be factored in.
" There are other reasons to buy a diesel, but on a 1/2 ton, it just doesn't pay fuel wise." I get 28 to 30 mpg highway with the 3.0 Dmax. Diesel here is 3.69/gallon. A 6.2 recommends 91+ octane for best performance which is hovering arond $4.20/gal. Even with 87 octane, it's 3.39/gallon here. 30%+ better fuel economy more than offsets the cost of fuel here. DEF is cheap at truck stops and it's usually higher quality than jugs that have been sitting around for months. The 3.0 Dmax might use 5 gallons over the course of 7,000 miles. It's nothing as far as running cost. The oil changes for the 3.0 Dmax is slightly more, maaaybe $20-30. The 3.0 is a great choice. 460 lb ft at 1500 rpm, 495 lb ft at 2700 rpm. Mini-cummins engine note. There's a lot of reason to consider the diesel engine.
I have a diesel and gas trucks and vehicles and my diesel hold 3 times more oil then the gas versions. Much more cost for oil especially synthetic oil which is the only type that people should use. Where do you live with those interesting fuel prices? Interesting you premium fuel is almost a dollar more then reg?
Both awesome choices, depending on what you prefer in engines/brand. I don't think you could lose with either truck, well, except maybe some hard-earned cash 😂.
I remember when Ford first put a tailgate step on there trucks! And the reaction from Chevy was just to laugh saying real men don't need a step to get into there trucks!
As of today, the Average National price for Regular gas is $3.05 and the National average price for Diesel is $3.54. So in reality it is cheaper to drive the Eco-Boost (21 highway MPG0) than the Diesel (22 highway MPG).
Chevy having that reflective strip on the dash was not thought through. On my 2022 it will blind you during the day, and the reflection of the strip below the AC vent is right in the middle of the side view mirror non stop. I do like the 3.0 duramax though. Not as efficient as my 2.8 duramax but it's a lot more fun to drive!
When you add in def does it really get better economy. I have a buddy that has to refill 500 to 1000 miles depending on driving and conditions to me thats another added cost for fuel because you have to run it. Ill stick to gassers until they stop putting so much emissions crap on them (which they never will).
@@DEATHx27 I'm not buying def on top of fuel gas trucks get just as much mpg as a diesel now days and the diesel Silverado does not get 35 mpg. I have never seen anyone go 10 k on def u must never push that truck or tow
Modern Diesels get better highway and towing mpg than the equivalent modern gasser; there is tons of evidence and videos at TFL alone to back that up. Modern Diesels really only suffer in the city, where not only does their mpg drop below gassers but they also need to burn extra fuel to clean the DPF which normally cleans itself at highway speeds. I’m surprised that diesel trucks haven’t incorporated hybrid systems yet, as that would help immensely with one of their biggest drawback.
@@Cloud30000 diesel is also a dollar more a gallon where I live. It really is not saving you much more. Big diesel trucks like 2500 and 3500 with powerstokes and Cummings do better in towing heavy loads for sure. I would never buy a 1500 as a diesel it is not going to do that much better when your paying 1 dollar more a gallon.
Chevy trail boss is badass. As a 20+ years of ford owner and first time Chevy guy, I am very happy for my zr2 2024 trail boss 5.7 ltr v8. I do like tremor and Raptor v8s but Chevy is level up.
I don't understand why the dealer doesn't use column shift anymore. They could have 3 seats in the front or more space for storage. To me more usable space makes more sense than a shifter that takes up that space
Well a couple of things. First off with the payloads being so close, I don't really see how you're actually going to get nearly 2000lbs more towing out of the F150. Second the Duramax I6 is all aluminum, heads and block. It might have iron sleeves? Not sure, but other than that it's definitely aluminum. Last, those stupid useless hood bulges on the Chevy would force me to go looking for an aftermarket hood...or for a Sierra AT4X, which would eat into the price discrepancy between the two. If I was in the market I might have to call this a wash.
I would love to see a ZR2 able to seat 3 people in the front. I do like that center console unit I also love the practicality of a full size pickup truck. They really should make a three seat front row configuration, bring back old school chevy
99.9% of the time, a Torsen/helical front diff is better than a front locker. Unfortunately, the other 0.1% of the time the front diff can save you from needing to be winched, but these are giant 1/2 ton pickup trucks and as such are the wrong vehicles for those situations anyway.
@@lespaulplayer1234512 A Torsen is totally a passive system, you don't have to think about [putting it into action. It also doesn't negatively affect drivability the way a locked differential will when turning, we've all forgotten to unlock a locker and tried a sharp turn. A true locked differential will get you moving at times a LSD, even a Torsen or similar, won't be able to, but those times are (hopefully) going to be really rare.
I'm generally not a Ford guy, but I saw one in a showroom, and I really like the Tremor. I just can't get on board with the newer GM styling, though. I really do like the look of the interior. 80k for the Ford is nuts though, the GM with the gasser is probably a much better value.
A Tremor is only comparable to ZR2 in price. Tremor. 1 inch lift, non brand name shocks, crappy General ATX tires, only a rear locker /optional Torsen. ZR2, 2.5" lift DSSV shocks, lockers rear and front, high clearance bumper. The ZR2 is way more capable. The Tremor should only be compared to the Trailboss.
It may be one of the most capable 1/2 tons, but it is still a 1/2 ton in the end. A smaller devoted off-roader will cost much less, and leave enough to buy a truck that can tow and haul more then the ZR2. Too many compromises when trying to make a giant heavy truck into an off-roader.
The Chevy gets much better fuel economy, so the range should be close to the Ford. Plus, the Chevy has MUCH higher quality shocks, which will mean a better ride.
2015 f150, 225k hard miles on the ecoboost engine without ever having any problems whatsoever. I paid 42k for it brand new. It’s been paid off for a few years. There’s just no way in hell Ford or Chevy will get me to trade up and get into a new one at those sticker prices. Wow. You have to be rich to be able to afford a half ton pickup nowadays.
Hands down the ZR2 ! I can live without all the dumb features i'd never use on the tremor for $86,000 ! My only complaint is the ZR2 should also have a ext. cab variant cause i dont need the 2 extra doors !
I recently purchased a GMC AT4x with the Duramax. Upgraded from a 2018 f150 5.0. The mileage I am getting from my new truck is about 35% better than what I was getting out of my f150. I was never a GM fan, but was sold on the looks of the AT4x and the service after the sale. I am not sure why every ford dealership in the DFW area is terrible with service.
I love both these trucks, I think the zr2 looks a little better but in 5 years when I can afford a used one the 36 gallon tank in the tremor will probably be the deal breaker.
love the reviews! F150-Tremor is the BEST model in the F150 lineup for sure. crazy how much the already prices went up since 2022/2023. not enough difference in previous tremors to upgrade to 2024. The Torsen is definitely similar to front lockers and having 4auto is cool.
Please come out with a video on the new 2024 F150 SuperCrew with the 2.7L eco boost! Feel like it’s a hidden gem in the truck market. Not crazily priced and offers everything you’d need in a full size pickup. Got mine for 32k w/4k miles as it was a loaner and comes with a 6 year 100k cpo warranty. I looked at the ram’s but didn’t like the new hurricane engines and hear they’re already having problems. Took a look at Chevy’s offerings and even drove the 2.7L 4cyl they had for a little while as a rental but it had electrical issues. Then was introduced to the new 24’ F150 Supercrew with the larger fuel tank, tons of leg room for passengers, and awesome fuel economy especially for a full size pickup. Have been averaging 24-25mpg on the highway. With the 10 speed it shifts wonderfully and gets great fuel economy.
Both of these trucks can be had for cheaper. The V8 Tremor is also a more compelling buy for off-road. Something nobody ever address is the relatively modest gear ratio on the zr2 it’s insane for an off-road trim vehicle it’s should have a 3.73 minimum and would likely help the duramax
Guys love your videos. Beautiful trucks. I'm wondering can you guys do a comparison video between a Ford xlt, Chev LT, Ram bighorn, "budget" trucks if you will. Something the normal person can afford. Compare them for towing, comfort, and value or bang for the buck. I'm soon going to be in the market for a new truck and I'm really unsure what to get. I'm gonna be looking for something along those lines of model and it's hard to find videos on trucks like them. Thanks guys love the content
I've driven the first gen. It's a great engine. Only downside is that belt on the BACK of the engine that needs to be replaced (what were they thinking!).
Just keep cases of oil in the truck since gm says it’s fine that it burns a QUART of oil every thousand miles while towing. Oh and the timing belt that has to be replaced in the back of the engine smh. Was a Chevy family until the last 2 Silverados had nothing but problems
@@DampNoodlesFront\360 cameras negate this issue. Actually makes me wonder if they are reducing visibility on purpose to upsell more camera packages\trims.
The 36 gallon fuel tank is great when towing or just road tripping empty. When you can go 700 miles on a tank you can pick and choose when to gas up. 24 gallons is getting you just over 500 miles. .
My Gov Burb has 39 gallons and can go 700 plus, and is a tow monster. Did a test going from Santa Clarita CA to Boise with Tahoe mileage was sas with AFM active going up vs off going back south. I looked at a Grand Wagoneer and average combined mileage was 16. It seems the newer stuff is getting worse mileage. Physics is Physics and I can hopefully get out of Zombieland before it goes crazy again.
700 miles is nice, but more niche then actually valuable; the odds of going more then 500 miles without finding a good place to gas up, but then finding that good place in the next 200 miles is pretty slim. The real benefit is towing, when range is cut in half or worse and not all stations can accommodate a trailer; that extra distance can then be a real life saver.
I don't really understand brand loyalty, you should always get the best for your need regardless of the brand. It's not like if you're a Ford guy and when you buy a Chevy, a Ford salesman comes to your house and says, Baby, why did you cheat on me and then set your new truck on fire.
Same here. Ford put food on my table when I was a kid. But really every single ford we have had has been just great vehicles. Go well over 200k on original engine and drive train. Of course we maintain them perfectly.
@timkinley1779 What’s wrong with buying ford. He in this day and age actually has more than enough reasons to buy ford. I am also a ford guy although I would definitely buy from other companies for some other reasons. If he doesn’t need anything other than ford why bash him?
GM's truck platform is , and has been for quite some time, the best selling truck line in the world. They just like to separate it into 2 different brands for some reason.
It's madness seeing where the price of trucks has gone isn't it? In a matter of a 5 years trucks have gone up 35% and there aren't even incentives anymore. Hopefully buyers get smart and stop buying new vehicles so OEMs clue in on their insane prices, and lack of options that aren't part of huge costing packages
@@gtileo nope we as consumers have gotten more dumb and will pay any prices to keep up with the joneses. I know guys making 60k a year who have 1400$ truck payments, its absurd.
They borrowed one of these from a dealership for the video; dealership still wants to sell it as new, so off-roading would be bad. The other one will get off-roaded in another video if it hasn’t already, as it is a fleet vehicle on loan to TFL to review.
4:31 So it’s not blowing hot exhaust in your face when you’re connecting a trailer, like my Ram does. [Kind of] Okay in the winter, not so much in the middle of summer. Thanks for the content!
I'm an Oilfield worker from northern Alberta, I just want to comment on the Auto 4 wheel drive selector on the transfer case. Ever since this came out years ago using it on icy roads all the time would eventually knock the transfer case out, there is to much shifting in and out of 4x4. Maybe the newer trucks work better than the ones 20 years ago, but I know a lot of people who lost there T-cases. So I personally don't use it. I either leave it in 4x4 or switch back to 2x4.
Ive been told that auto switch is the worse this out there. When the liquid switchs to a solid to engage 4x4 there is so much torque and force, no way in hell the case can hold up. Like you said obly in 2x4 or 2x4 never auto
Atleast for stellantis, the standard part time transfer case vs the 4A transfer case it was shown the 4A transfer case is not as heavy duty as the part time one. 4A uses clutches and doesn't truly lock like the part time one Comparison was done using the 4A that you could get in the ram 1500 (BW44-44 t case) vs the part-time in the wrangler/gladiator (BW44-45) I think only the raptor (and tremor) have a unique engineered system that has the transfer case using special clutches to simulate AWD in 4A while still having a proper lock in 4Hi and 4lo.
2 off road models each with a transfer case that doesn’t fully lock. Both use clutches to transfer power to the front wheels. Pitiful. In serious off road conditions, these transfer cases will overheat
Hey guys I have a friend of 30 years he's been a service manager at Ford for a long time he says do not buy the EcoBoost they give trouble by the coyote that speaks volumes
My brother’s friend’s father’s sister in-law looked at an engine once and told me to never buy one, stick to horses and bicycles. Solid advice me and the rest of the Amish community still live by.
@@spud2727 do your own experiment go to Ford dealer and ask all the sales people they all say eco boost go to the service people in the mechanics and they say coyote there's several videos out like that do your real research and find out the truth
@@robertjohnson4784people that like to work on cars love V8’s, that’s just a fact; asking engine preference versus whether the 3.5 is junk is two completely different things.
@@robertjohnson4784 I don't need to. I've had both, prefer eco, as I tow alot, no comparison in power, reliable as hell if you service it regularly, both are good engines
Tremor is too expensive when compared to a Raptor. It's meant to be Raptor Lite, not a less capable Raptor for the same money. If that ZR1 had Supercruise, I'm taking it all day long over the Tremor. But only with the Duramax. That engine is a pleasure to drive, I really prefer it over the Ecoboost. Plus MPG will be way better. Why GM left Supercruise off this pricey truck is a head scratcher.
New v6’s perform better than old v6’s but if I had a full size truck I’d def go with a v8. A guy I work with has a full size gmc and it’s a 4 cylinder lol
8:52 yeah definitely a bummer they only pair that feature with the High Equipment group, but worth noting Ford's Hi Lock transfer case is the same (or very similar) to the Raptor. It can mechanically lock fully unlike the ZR2 which just uses it's clutch packs to maintain coupling. Most people will never tell the difference, but worth noting.
Chevy is counting on you to convince everyone else; don’t trust the numbers or the facts, just remember that Chevy is always better no matter what. Even if it keeps getting passed by other vehicles towing each time it encounters a hill, it’s still better. Besides, being behind everyone lets you see what everyone else is doing, so really Chevy is doing you a favor back there.
I get 600 miles of range in my 3 liter duramax. Those tires are gonna cut that down, but some externals can fix that. The Zr2 Duramax is the ultimate overlander
It would be the ultimate overlander if it had a larger tank. I know guys running 40 gallon auxilary tanks in their land cruisers in addition to the 24.6 gallon factory tank. When you arerunning on dirt roads and trails with your tires air'd down to 15 psi carrying water, food, a roof top tent and 1000 lbs worth of other shit getting 9 mpg, 24 gallons is gunna go quick.
@@Jay-me7gw that duramax will get much much better then that. Even crawling slow with tons of gear. That’s where it makes up for its small tank. I’d love to get a larger tank and go 1200 miles on a tank
I never liked the updated chevy design. It looks unfinished and like someone didn't proof their work before they submitted it. Always found chevys to be a harsh ride. Also, disappointing seeing the fuel economy of the diesel. No reason it should be that horrendous. No reason to get a diesel at this point. I really enjoy the Ford. That would be my pick.
i like it when people complain about filling up a 36 gallon tank. it costs the exact same amount monthly filling up that tank once or twice, vs filling up a 20 gallon tank 3 or 4 times lol! I'd rather have a huge tank and 700-800 miles of driving non-stop and get where i'm going. which is why i'm really considering a 60 gallon on my super duty!
Carrying extra weight all the time... to save ~8min of time a month. There are pros and cons to either way of doing it
@@omardevonlittle3817if you're talking 36 gallon vs 23 gallon it's really only around 100lbs extra with a full tank. It's extra weight but not sure if it's enough to make a noticable difference in efficiency. You're right though, it's extra weight
13 extra gallons is around 78lbs give or take a cpl
I drive a 2021 Toyota Tundra and it has a 38 gallon fuel tank. It is such a huge blessing! The fact I can go over 600 miles on a tank without filling up makes my somewhat regular road trips much more manageable because I do not have to stop usually in-between stops for work. Not only that, when I am towing 7,000-8,000 lbs and I am only getting 10-11 mpg, I do not have to stop every two hours to refuel like I had to with my F-150 ecoboost because it has the gas tank size of a 65 year old woman's bladder!
Trust me the bigger the better when it comes to fuel tanks.
You wouldn't even notice the extra weight, and if you really care, just don't fully fill the 36 gallon tank.
However, the fact that the Silverado 1500 doesnt even have an option for a larger tank makes it immediately useless to me. There are places I tow my travel trailer where I physically could not get to and back out with a 24 gallon tank. When you are towing into a bad headwind getting 7 mpg, that 24 gallon tank is a serious problem. It has an actual towing range of
So my dumbass bought a 23 tundra with the self grenading engine feature. Tundra sucked but i sold it before the recall. I was looking at the Tremor, the Rebel, and the ZR2. I couldn't find a Tremor with an 8 cy. The rebel financing was outrageous and Ram got rid of the Hemi! The ZR2 had the 8 cylinder and 1.9% financing. First chevy truck I've owned in 20 years. So far so good - if i don't drive like an idiot I'm getting high teens even 20 mpg. Ram has the best interior, I prefer the Coyote 5.0 and the F150 interior, but the ZR2 was the best option available. So far, I love it.
How does it ride on choppy pavement and through potholes
How’s the flat bottom seats?
My wife’s uncle just bought a used tundra new body with the grenade engine he told me he got a “real good” deal on it since they had 6 other used ones on the lot I told him about the engine and he didn’t believe me we will see what happens in a few months 😂 them having 6 used ones in the lot should have been a red flag
For most of my life I have been pretty pro-Toyota (even growing up in west Texas). I ordered a 23 Tremor Coyote Gen 3 last February and it took about a month to get it. I easily get about 20 mpg combined if I stay out of sport mode. I didn't buy a Toyota this time because they dropped the V8 and recovery hooks (and I don't like the huge grill). I didn't buy a GM because we had horrible luck with a 2018 half ton, even though I thought the truck's looks were solid. I sold my 2013 Rock Warrior Tundra to our company for a work truck when I bought the Tremor. It has been the best (and oldest) truck in the local fleet since then (we work in the four corners where O&G work sites are generally not friendly to get to). I still have an 02 Taco TRD that needs a new slave cylinder for the clutch after 200k miles (one of the few trucks that has never left me stranded). I've owned a lot of trucks (many Toyotas, Fords, and GMs), but the thought of potentially getting rid of that Taco bothers me to my core. I never became a Chrystler/Dodge guy because I grew up in an era that was not favorable to them reliability-wise. They have some great-looking trucks and cars though. Peace, Love!!
RESPECT, for your honest and inciteful comment!!👍
Just purchased a loaded 24 Titan Pro 4x for under $54k. $80k is insane crazy for a truck. Thats a $26K price difference. My prior truck was a 15 F150 Lariat which I then paid $43k. Prices of trucks almost doubled in 10 years. Again...Insane crazy!!
Titan is not in the same class as these trucks. Reason why they stopped making them….
@erikturner8687 that titan pro4x will do anything that tremor will do, and will last a lot longer.
I hate how the 24 tremor looks in white. Looks like a basic work truck lol. But mechanically it is the superior truck. Asides from the cheap shocks youre getting a much better transfer case and front diff, way more powerful engine and itd towing and payload arent slashed.
They need to do something about the front grill though, its a downgrade from the previous year
I have a white F150 Platinum; I like the basic work truck look, as it blends in more in parking lots and is less likely to get unwanted attention from nefarious individuals. I also find that the police don’t bother me as much either. Only thing better would be adding a fake company name to the side.
Agreed
@@Cloud30000”Big D’s plumbing” then under it in smaller letters, “No one has laid more pipe in this town than us”.
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I care about you as a person, and tell you that
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I went with a Frontier just because it wasn't forced induction. The gmc/Chevy mid size looks superior in areas when I was shopping. I just don't want forced induction out of warranty and I keep my vehicles a long time.
Im also very aware there our many people who have zero issues with their turboed oem engines.
Over 340,000 miles on the 3.5 EcoBoost without issues. Will the V6 Nissan last as long?
Ohh grandpa
Smart move, I had a forced induction engine "not naming names" & a little over a 100,000 miles it was finished.
And after mine failed I started looking & it's quite common.
Econo midsize truck vs luxury full size truck. Thanks for the insightful comment.
5.0
coming from a ZR2 Silverado owner, you CAN'T underestimate that front factory locker, it's come in clutch sooooo many times
I think you've underestimated the Torsen front differential in the Tremor. Having had them in both axles of my Jeep, as well as lockers in other trucks, I would pick Torsens over lockers any day in a truck that gets daily driven in a wide variety of conditions. There are very very few situations where that front locker would given an advantage over a torsen, and it would probably involve dragging your frame over rocks while you have tires lifted in the air. Even then the Torsen would still do well.
Honestly, I'd be happier if the Tremor came with Torsens in both axles.
@@Jay-me7gw Had Torsens in other rigs of mine, haven't been impressed compared to the E-Lockers in my truck
@@kristoferfc6525 What other rigs?
@@Jay-me7gwYeah absolutely not, lockers are plain better. My 06 TJ Rubicon when it was stock vs my 98 TJ with the Track-Lok differential was night and day, yeah you might still get up with an LSD but you’re gonna slip and possibly slide off what ever you’re climbing till it engages. If you’re going to go off-road, lockers are plain better. If you’re gonna drive on the road 90% of the time maybe just buy an Fx4 or trailboss Lol.
@@braddenr.4778 Plain better for what? Pure rock crawling? Sure.
But these trucks are going to spend 99% of their miles on pavement.
Also, you dont seem to know how a helical LSD works. It doesnt engage. Its instantaneous. The Track-Lok sucked and are knock to stop functioning at low miles.
I've own a 2023 ZR2 6.2. Bought it new a year ago. LOVE it. Favorite truck I've ever owned. I did upgrade the exhaust to a Borla exhaust. Amazing truck. I had a 2010 F150 so I thought I was going to buy a Raptor when I went truck shopping. I drove both and loved the ZR2 so much more. Raptor is a great truck, just preferred the ZR2 personally.
ZR2 with the diesel hands down. I love mine! Last trip I averaged 27mpg!
Love mine too, too bad it has already been in the shop 3 times. Once for electrical issues, once for a def fluid line leak that put it into lymp mode, and now it’s an emission issue engine light that they can’t figure out.😢 I’m almost regretting this purchase. Love the truck but I’m already on 3 strikes in 9,000 miles.
Its not hands down. Plenty of reasons the F150 is a great option.
@Jay-me7gw nope. Plus you gotta pay an additional $5k. The previous gen tremor looked better than the current one. This one looks like an old man's truck with no capabilities.
@ShelbyvsViper that's unfortunate but all car manufacturers have their handful of issues. I've put 6k miles so far in 4 months and nothing yet. I previously owned a 21 rst with the diesel as well for 40k miles no issues either.
If they were comparing the EcoBoost vs the Chevy 5.3, they might have an actual comparison as to which expensive truck has the least-reliable engine. But this? The LZ0 is soooo much better than that EcoBoost. They shoulda tested a 5.0 Coyote vs the LZ0 to make it a fair fight as far as reliability goes.
I love comparison videos like this. I'm a GM guy, but I like the styling of the F-150 Tremor.
Bought a Tremor from Granger last December. Great people to work with.
We agree!
Did you get a deal in December? I’m wanting to buy and wondering if late in the year there will be better deals
@@huntsonora I bought a new 2023 with the V8. The vehicle selling price was 65ish out the door was 68 with taxes and such. They don’t have those BS fees. I knew what I wanted and I bought it all online and we drove out from central Illinois to pick it up. It was detailed and had a full tank of gas when we got there. We were in and out in 30 min. Oh and that’s with the 402a high trim. So all the goodies including leather and the full panel moon roof.
@@huntsonora they are doing 4% under invoice on new f150s right now. im going up in August to grab mine. heard about them from the ford forums and UA-cam
I about spit tea all over my keyboard when I heard 80K.......
It's only about $1600 a month for 7 years. Anyone can afford it! /s
Ya and idiots will buy and validate these companies just to keep up with the joneses with their $1400 a month payment. prices will just keep going up at this point.
That’s MSRP. There’s lot of rebates/ dealers discounts available now. You are probably looking at least 10k off sticker on these new trucks.
@@JoshNievesThat's still taking out a mortgage for a truck. Lol
Can’t wait for Chevy to make the hood block the entire windshield for ultimate off-road visibility of the sky
Funny you say that. Though my 23 Silverado 2500 is absolutely huge , I use the same windshield sun shade from my old Subaru Impreza sedan.
LOL!
😂
@@shuttlepilot_ The sun shade I used for my 2014 F150 is too small for my Chevy Bolt. The bolts window is a good 9" too tall.
That's all ya got? 😂😅
The folding shifter with the workbench middle console really is a sweet design by Ford.
Test drove both of them when I was truck shopping in 2023, and I would have to say the ZR2 had a better ride. Test drove both on uneven and bumpy roads. I was amazed at how good the ZR2 performed. The ZR2 was also the quietest cabin I've driven in terms of wind/ambient sounds
ram limited gives a better ride
@rootstriker1618 Agreed. I was actually wanting either a Rebel or a Limited since I had a 2019 Tradesman 5th gen. I loved everything about that truck, considering it was a basic truck. I wanted to upgrade, but at the time, there weren't any Rebel or Limited with the options I would have wanted. So, I went with a 2023 Tundra 1794 Edition because it had almost everything I would have wanted on a Ram for less. Thankfully, mine doesn't have an engine recall due to the time when it was produced. But, I sure do miss having a Hemi, especially since I removed the muffler and resonator to install an after-market resonator alone to give it a nice loud growl
So, your saying these two guys were lying about the ford having a better ride than the Chevy?
Around here, diesel is at least $1/g more than gasoline. That more than offsets the higher mileage of the diesel. There are other reasons to buy a diesel, but on a 1/2 ton, it just doesn't pay fuel wise. Life of the engines may be another factor, but only time will tell if the diesel is that much better. Lastly, DEF and super expensive oil changes need to be factored in.
Here in CO, the diesel is the same price as Regular Unleaded (85 or 87, depending on the station).
what do you mean super expensive oil changes? Cost me about $80CAD to change oil in my 6.6L Duramax. Rotella T4 oil and AC Delco filter
" There are other reasons to buy a diesel, but on a 1/2 ton, it just doesn't pay fuel wise."
I get 28 to 30 mpg highway with the 3.0 Dmax. Diesel here is 3.69/gallon. A 6.2 recommends 91+ octane for best performance which is hovering arond $4.20/gal. Even with 87 octane, it's 3.39/gallon here. 30%+ better fuel economy more than offsets the cost of fuel here.
DEF is cheap at truck stops and it's usually higher quality than jugs that have been sitting around for months. The 3.0 Dmax might use 5 gallons over the course of 7,000 miles. It's nothing as far as running cost.
The oil changes for the 3.0 Dmax is slightly more, maaaybe $20-30.
The 3.0 is a great choice. 460 lb ft at 1500 rpm, 495 lb ft at 2700 rpm. Mini-cummins engine note. There's a lot of reason to consider the diesel engine.
@@karlschauff7989is there an echo echo echo? 😅
I have a diesel and gas trucks and vehicles and my diesel hold 3 times more oil then the gas versions. Much more cost for oil especially synthetic oil which is the only type that people should use. Where do you live with those interesting fuel prices? Interesting you premium fuel is almost a dollar more then reg?
Personally, the ZR2 with the 3.0L makes the most sense.
Both awesome choices, depending on what you prefer in engines/brand. I don't think you could lose with either truck, well, except maybe some hard-earned cash 😂.
agreed! it's no longer Chevy vs Ford. it's now us vs electric wannabees. 😂
I'll take the Tremor please. Love my 21 F150 hybrid great power, towing and good fuel mileage.
I remember when Ford first put a tailgate step on there trucks! And the reaction from Chevy was just to laugh saying real men don't need a step to get into there trucks!
THEIR you go! 😃
As of today, the Average National price for Regular gas is $3.05 and the National average price for Diesel is $3.54. So in reality it is cheaper to drive the Eco-Boost (21 highway MPG0) than the Diesel (22 highway MPG).
Chevy having that reflective strip on the dash was not thought through. On my 2022 it will blind you during the day, and the reflection of the strip below the AC vent is right in the middle of the side view mirror non stop. I do like the 3.0 duramax though. Not as efficient as my 2.8 duramax but it's a lot more fun to drive!
Sometimes the sun hits the shiny bits on my console and I have to cover it with my hand or cap or something. Not good.
12:37 - "I've been avoiding your bulges"
😂 this video was hilarious. I love it when you 2 record together.
2024 Chevy Trailboss with the 3.0 Duramax here. I love the zr2. But happy with the trail boss. Great off road and towing and 60 out the door.
You can also get the V8 in the Tremor as well.
I’m a diesel fan. I’m so glad they started putting them in the 1500s.
Too bad all light duty diesels are dogshit and especially duramax
Source?
When you add in def does it really get better economy. I have a buddy that has to refill 500 to 1000 miles depending on driving and conditions to me thats another added cost for fuel because you have to run it. Ill stick to gassers until they stop putting so much emissions crap on them (which they never will).
The truck gets 35 mpg and uses a tank of DEF every 10,000 or so miles. The DEF is barely even a blip on the radar in comparison to the savings.
@@DEATHx27 I'm not buying def on top of fuel gas trucks get just as much mpg as a diesel now days and the diesel Silverado does not get 35 mpg. I have never seen anyone go 10 k on def u must never push that truck or tow
Modern Diesels get better highway and towing mpg than the equivalent modern gasser; there is tons of evidence and videos at TFL alone to back that up.
Modern Diesels really only suffer in the city, where not only does their mpg drop below gassers but they also need to burn extra fuel to clean the DPF which normally cleans itself at highway speeds. I’m surprised that diesel trucks haven’t incorporated hybrid systems yet, as that would help immensely with one of their biggest drawback.
@@Cloud30000 diesel is also a dollar more a gallon where I live. It really is not saving you much more. Big diesel trucks like 2500 and 3500 with powerstokes and Cummings do better in towing heavy loads for sure. I would never buy a 1500 as a diesel it is not going to do that much better when your paying 1 dollar more a gallon.
Love them both. Like the engine and suspension on the ZR2… prefer the cabin in the ford.
I’m a Chevy person so I bought myself a zr2. But I got a 6.2
Didn’t want to join the I should have got the 6.2 5.3 owners club
What’s your payload and towing?
Good choice
Love when TFL is on location on the dealership lot
Cost cutting. 🙄
I love my 2022 Tremor! I’ve owned 2019 Ram Rebel and the Tremor has impressed me since I got it! What a difference in torque and comfort as well.
Chevy trail boss is badass. As a 20+ years of ford owner and first time Chevy guy, I am very happy for my zr2 2024 trail boss 5.7 ltr v8. I do like tremor and Raptor v8s but Chevy is level up.
I just bought the 2024 ZR2 Bison with the 6.2. No a single regret.
I'll take the ZR2 for sure!!
I don't understand why the dealer doesn't use column shift anymore. They could have 3 seats in the front or more space for storage. To me more usable space makes more sense than a shifter that takes up that space
Not my problem
Why I love the RAM rotary dial. No unnecessary protrusion out of the steering column or center console.
Love my console shifter.
Chevy still does
You can still get a column shifter in Ford XLTs and below.
ZR2 looks sick!!!
Yes yeah that’s sick, that is why why is going to the mechanic once a month 😂
@@susievazquez3167zr2 is actually really reliable especially with the LZO 💀 nice try troll
Well a couple of things.
First off with the payloads being so close, I don't really see how you're actually going to get nearly 2000lbs more towing out of the F150.
Second the Duramax I6 is all aluminum, heads and block. It might have iron sleeves? Not sure, but other than that it's definitely aluminum.
Last, those stupid useless hood bulges on the Chevy would force me to go looking for an aftermarket hood...or for a Sierra AT4X, which would eat into the price discrepancy between the two.
If I was in the market I might have to call this a wash.
I would love to see a ZR2 able to seat 3 people in the front. I do like that center console unit I also love the practicality of a full size pickup truck. They really should make a three seat front row configuration, bring back old school chevy
I miss the not so long ago days where a F350 Lariat with the power stroke was $67k. I believe that was what I paid for ours in 2022.
That's what happens when the govt turns on the money printer.
99.9% of the time, a Torsen/helical front diff is better than a front locker. Unfortunately, the other 0.1% of the time the front diff can save you from needing to be winched, but these are giant 1/2 ton pickup trucks and as such are the wrong vehicles for those situations anyway.
what makes the torsen better than a true locker? Ive never heard somene who offroads frequent say that, most want a true locker.
@@lespaulplayer1234512 A Torsen is totally a passive system, you don't have to think about [putting it into action. It also doesn't negatively affect drivability the way a locked differential will when turning, we've all forgotten to unlock a locker and tried a sharp turn. A true locked differential will get you moving at times a LSD, even a Torsen or similar, won't be able to, but those times are (hopefully) going to be really rare.
My father (RIP) had a late 70's F150 that he added a 75 gal. tank to the bed. I think it put capacity at 100 gal. Talk about range!
Zr2's look so badass in person
Love my 6.2 ZR2. Have the sand dune on 35s and get compliments on it all the time
I'm generally not a Ford guy, but I saw one in a showroom, and I really like the Tremor. I just can't get on board with the newer GM styling, though. I really do like the look of the interior. 80k for the Ford is nuts though, the GM with the gasser is probably a much better value.
A Tremor is only comparable to ZR2 in price.
Tremor. 1 inch lift, non brand name shocks, crappy General ATX tires, only a rear locker /optional Torsen.
ZR2, 2.5" lift DSSV shocks, lockers rear and front, high clearance bumper.
The ZR2 is way more capable.
The Tremor should only be compared to the Trailboss.
Ya! And think about the price difference between the trailboss and the tremer!
It may be one of the most capable 1/2 tons, but it is still a 1/2 ton in the end. A smaller devoted off-roader will cost much less, and leave enough to buy a truck that can tow and haul more then the ZR2.
Too many compromises when trying to make a giant heavy truck into an off-roader.
Yeah, but the Trail Boss is only....uh....$20k less. And if you get the TurboMax, it will be more reliable than an EcoBoost.
@@Cloud30000 8k lbs is plenty for a half ton.
@@PrivateUsernamewhy do you with the turbo max is more reliable?
The Chevy gets much better fuel economy, so the range should be close to the Ford. Plus, the Chevy has MUCH higher quality shocks, which will mean a better ride.
You never mentioned DEF fluid $ in the diesel. Fuel filter cost,oil change cost and diesel cost more.
The Ford Raptor is the better buy
DEF is $20 every 3k miles.
2015 f150, 225k hard miles on the ecoboost engine without ever having any problems whatsoever. I paid 42k for it brand new. It’s been paid off for a few years.
There’s just no way in hell Ford or Chevy will get me to trade up and get into a new one at those sticker prices. Wow.
You have to be rich to be able to afford a half ton pickup nowadays.
3.6 or 2.7?
@@thelonglastexpert 3.6
@@RedHotBillyPeppersi thought its 3.5
Hands down the ZR2 ! I can live without all the dumb features i'd never use on the tremor for $86,000 ! My only complaint is the ZR2 should also have a ext. cab variant cause i dont need the 2 extra doors !
I recently purchased a GMC AT4x with the Duramax. Upgraded from a 2018 f150 5.0. The mileage I am getting from my new truck is about 35% better than what I was getting out of my f150. I was never a GM fan, but was sold on the looks of the AT4x and the service after the sale. I am not sure why every ford dealership in the DFW area is terrible with service.
My coworker has the '21 GMC Elevation. Heard they get great mpg. Think they bumped up the power to 305hp in '22 or last year.
AT4x is sweet too. Love the new fords as well
My 2021 Silverado WT goes offroad just fine
I love both these trucks, I think the zr2 looks a little better but in 5 years when I can afford a used one the 36 gallon tank in the tremor will probably be the deal breaker.
ZR2. It's obvious if you've ever driven one, especially off-road.
ZR2 looks 1million times better than the F150. Duramax diesel for the win.
Booyah 👊🏽 😁 👍🏽 🇺🇸
Both are too expensive
love the reviews! F150-Tremor is the BEST model in the F150 lineup for sure. crazy how much the already prices went up since 2022/2023. not enough difference in previous tremors to upgrade to 2024. The Torsen is definitely similar to front lockers and having 4auto is cool.
Please come out with a video on the new 2024 F150 SuperCrew with the 2.7L eco boost! Feel like it’s a hidden gem in the truck market. Not crazily priced and offers everything you’d need in a full size pickup. Got mine for 32k w/4k miles as it was a loaner and comes with a 6 year 100k cpo warranty.
I looked at the ram’s but didn’t like the new hurricane engines and hear they’re already having problems.
Took a look at Chevy’s offerings and even drove the 2.7L 4cyl they had for a little while as a rental but it had electrical issues.
Then was introduced to the new 24’ F150 Supercrew with the larger fuel tank, tons of leg room for passengers, and awesome fuel economy especially for a full size pickup. Have been averaging 24-25mpg on the highway. With the 10 speed it shifts wonderfully and gets great fuel economy.
Both of these trucks can be had for cheaper. The V8 Tremor is also a more compelling buy for off-road. Something nobody ever address is the relatively modest gear ratio on the zr2 it’s insane for an off-road trim vehicle it’s should have a 3.73 minimum and would likely help the duramax
I think a double tailgate is pretty pointless.. It's just more stuff to break.
Guys love your videos. Beautiful trucks. I'm wondering can you guys do a comparison video between a Ford xlt, Chev LT, Ram bighorn, "budget" trucks if you will. Something the normal person can afford. Compare them for towing, comfort, and value or bang for the buck. I'm soon going to be in the market for a new truck and I'm really unsure what to get. I'm gonna be looking for something along those lines of model and it's hard to find videos on trucks like them. Thanks guys love the content
That Duramax over any other engine
lol no
It's a great engine I love. Can't beat 495 lb ft.
I've driven the first gen. It's a great engine. Only downside is that belt on the BACK of the engine that needs to be replaced (what were they thinking!).
Just keep cases of oil in the truck since gm says it’s fine that it burns a QUART of oil every thousand miles while towing. Oh and the timing belt that has to be replaced in the back of the engine smh. Was a Chevy family until the last 2 Silverados had nothing but problems
Timing belt has to be replaced at 200,000 miles. If it’s a problem for you to get it done every 200K miles then don’t buy it. 😃
I like tremor better but with the 5.0
Can you start testing front visibility, please, like how far or close you can see the ground on every truck, in Feet or Meters
Truck people aren't ready to see the answer to this lol.
@@DampNoodlesFront\360 cameras negate this issue. Actually makes me wonder if they are reducing visibility on purpose to upsell more camera packages\trims.
The 36 gallon fuel tank is great when towing or just road tripping empty. When you can go 700 miles on a tank you can pick and choose when to gas up. 24 gallons is getting you just over 500 miles. .
My Gov Burb has 39 gallons and can go 700 plus, and is a tow monster. Did a test going from Santa Clarita CA to Boise with Tahoe mileage was sas with AFM active going up vs off going back south. I looked at a Grand Wagoneer and average combined mileage was 16. It seems the newer stuff is getting worse mileage. Physics is Physics and I can hopefully get out of Zombieland before it goes crazy again.
700 miles is nice, but more niche then actually valuable; the odds of going more then 500 miles without finding a good place to gas up, but then finding that good place in the next 200 miles is pretty slim.
The real benefit is towing, when range is cut in half or worse and not all stations can accommodate a trailer; that extra distance can then be a real life saver.
Muy buenas las dos pickups, yo eligiría la Chevrolet Silverado 1500 zr2 por su motor diesel duramax, un abrazo grande desde Córdoba Argentina
I owned Ford since 1981 and will always own a Ford I won’t charge
Ford is counting on you to blindly purchase regardless of product quality, pricing, design and dealer network.
I don't really understand brand loyalty, you should always get the best for your need regardless of the brand.
It's not like if you're a Ford guy and when you buy a Chevy, a Ford salesman comes to your house and says, Baby, why did you cheat on me and then set your new truck on fire.
😂
Same here. Ford put food on my table when I was a kid. But really every single ford we have had has been just great vehicles. Go well over 200k on original engine and drive train. Of course we maintain them perfectly.
@timkinley1779 What’s wrong with buying ford. He in this day and age actually has more than enough reasons to buy ford. I am also a ford guy although I would definitely buy from other companies for some other reasons. If he doesn’t need anything other than ford why bash him?
I wish that there was a way to SKIP the Grainger ad. I've seen it like 9x, with watching different TFL videos.
That Duramid engine is a peach.
The Tremor gold stripe and sticker does not look good. I'd take the ZR2 in this matchup.
At least it doesnt have red tow hooks like every other poser offroader out there.
That gold is stupid looking on that truck 😊
@@Jay-me7gw Gotcha. Ford fan I see. Don't get too hurt.
Wait, criticizing the Ford is fine, but criticize the Chevy and you are a fanboy?
@@Cloud30000 my daily driver is a 2022 F250. Not a fanboy for either. The gold looks stupid. That's it.
If you combine GMC and Chevy, how is this best-selling truck in the land?
GM's truck platform is , and has been for quite some time, the best selling truck line in the world. They just like to separate it into 2 different brands for some reason.
80k for a half ton truck naw I'm going to pass
It's madness seeing where the price of trucks has gone isn't it? In a matter of a 5 years trucks have gone up 35% and there aren't even incentives anymore. Hopefully buyers get smart and stop buying new vehicles so OEMs clue in on their insane prices, and lack of options that aren't part of huge costing packages
@@gtileo nope we as consumers have gotten more dumb and will pay any prices to keep up with the joneses. I know guys making 60k a year who have 1400$ truck payments, its absurd.
@@lespaulplayer1234512Hope their not trying to pay rent or mortgage on top of that. Lol
I only found 1 Tremor with 100 miles of my with a 80k price (msrp) The next several truck were 75K I like both truck but wouldn't pay 70k for them
Why dont you actually take em off roading and use those front lockers on the zr2
To good looking of a truck to trash it maybe the ford though
They borrowed one of these from a dealership for the video; dealership still wants to sell it as new, so off-roading would be bad.
The other one will get off-roaded in another video if it hasn’t already, as it is a fleet vehicle on loan to TFL to review.
4:31 So it’s not blowing hot exhaust in your face when you’re connecting a trailer, like my Ram does. [Kind of] Okay in the winter, not so much in the middle of summer. Thanks for the content!
Your story sounds exactly like a Chevy dealership promo video where I live 😅😅
The ZR2 is really the best value offroader with the gas engine
I'm an Oilfield worker from northern Alberta, I just want to comment on the Auto 4 wheel drive selector on the transfer case. Ever since this came out years ago using it on icy roads all the time would eventually knock the transfer case out, there is to much shifting in and out of 4x4. Maybe the newer trucks work better than the ones 20 years ago, but I know a lot of people who lost there T-cases. So I personally don't use it. I either leave it in 4x4 or switch back to 2x4.
20 years is the difference between the space shuttle program and Space X landing rocket boosters back on a boat in the ocean. A LOT has changed.
Ive been told that auto switch is the worse this out there. When the liquid switchs to a solid to engage 4x4 there is so much torque and force, no way in hell the case can hold up.
Like you said obly in 2x4 or 2x4 never auto
Been using auto on my trucks in MN winters since 08 and haven’t had one issue with it
Atleast for stellantis, the standard part time transfer case vs the 4A transfer case it was shown the 4A transfer case is not as heavy duty as the part time one. 4A uses clutches and doesn't truly lock like the part time one
Comparison was done using the 4A that you could get in the ram 1500 (BW44-44 t case) vs the part-time in the wrangler/gladiator (BW44-45)
I think only the raptor (and tremor) have a unique engineered system that has the transfer case using special clutches to simulate AWD in 4A while still having a proper lock in 4Hi and 4lo.
been using mine constantly between Alaska and Montana for 9 yrs now no issues 🤷🏽
What is diesel maybe $.75 more than 87?
Ford also has more complaints per units sold than Chevrolet.
Chevy and Toyota ranked below Ford in the latest reliability reports 🤣
@@Jay-me7gw Not according to JD Powers 2023 dependability study
@@JamesThomas-hd4me You know its 2024, right?
@Jay-me7gw on pick up truck talks , ford was worse than chevy. Video was out a couple days ago
JD Powers, that’s a trustworthy source. Guess Ford didn’t pay them enough this time around.
There is upgrade tank aftermarket fir duramax equipped zr2 . Local gm workers all have it .
The choice _IS_ obvious: both are better than a Ram.
2 off road models each with a transfer case that doesn’t fully lock. Both use clutches to transfer power to the front wheels. Pitiful. In serious off road conditions, these transfer cases will overheat
Zr2 would be perfect for me.
Hey guys I have a friend of 30 years he's been a service manager at Ford for a long time he says do not buy the EcoBoost they give trouble by the coyote that speaks volumes
@@robertjohnson4784 bullshit, ecoboost is solid
My brother’s friend’s father’s sister in-law looked at an engine once and told me to never buy one, stick to horses and bicycles. Solid advice me and the rest of the Amish community still live by.
@@spud2727 do your own experiment go to Ford dealer and ask all the sales people they all say eco boost go to the service people in the mechanics and they say coyote there's several videos out like that do your real research and find out the truth
@@robertjohnson4784people that like to work on cars love V8’s, that’s just a fact; asking engine preference versus whether the 3.5 is junk is two completely different things.
@@robertjohnson4784 I don't need to. I've had both, prefer eco, as I tow alot, no comparison in power, reliable as hell if you service it regularly, both are good engines
My step dad has a 2023 tremor and I build the ecoboost engine in Cleveland so I’m def biased. If they were cheaper I’d have one over my 2023 escape
Tremor is too expensive when compared to a Raptor. It's meant to be Raptor Lite, not a less capable Raptor for the same money.
If that ZR1 had Supercruise, I'm taking it all day long over the Tremor. But only with the Duramax. That engine is a pleasure to drive, I really prefer it over the Ecoboost. Plus MPG will be way better. Why GM left Supercruise off this pricey truck is a head scratcher.
Buy the chevy if you dealership. You'll be spending a lot of time there while your truck is getting worked on. Facts are facts.
that indirect "do some coke off my laptop" hahahaha
So, did Roman drop the "no shorts" policy for TFL?
Yes
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would pay that much for a 6 cylinder engine in a 1/2 ton truck. Maybe I'm just old.
New v6’s perform better than old v6’s but if I had a full size truck I’d def go with a v8. A guy I work with has a full size gmc and it’s a 4 cylinder lol
Tremor decal though....Quality is job one! 😂
8:52 yeah definitely a bummer they only pair that feature with the High Equipment group, but worth noting Ford's Hi Lock transfer case is the same (or very similar) to the Raptor. It can mechanically lock fully unlike the ZR2 which just uses it's clutch packs to maintain coupling. Most people will never tell the difference, but worth noting.
it is an obvious choice. The Silverado is must better.
The one thing you forget is chevy/gm is the only one who does a back only heater which is amazing for all of us that work who dont want swampass.
Ford people are cute lol. Bow tie will always do more with less so numbers on door don’t add up
lmao U need a 6.2 to challenge a 5.0
Ford 2.3L Ecoboost in the ranger is as fast as the 2.7L Colorado and tows just as well. Can't wait until they test the 2.7 Ranger and destroy it.
Chevy is counting on you to convince everyone else; don’t trust the numbers or the facts, just remember that Chevy is always better no matter what. Even if it keeps getting passed by other vehicles towing each time it encounters a hill, it’s still better. Besides, being behind everyone lets you see what everyone else is doing, so really Chevy is doing you a favor back there.
@@Cloud30000 lmao
@@uplandknight5782 More like you need the 3.5 Eco to Challenge the 6.2.
I get 600 miles of range in my 3 liter duramax. Those tires are gonna cut that down, but some externals can fix that. The Zr2 Duramax is the ultimate overlander
It would be the ultimate overlander if it had a larger tank. I know guys running 40 gallon auxilary tanks in their land cruisers in addition to the 24.6 gallon factory tank. When you arerunning on dirt roads and trails with your tires air'd down to 15 psi carrying water, food, a roof top tent and 1000 lbs worth of other shit getting 9 mpg, 24 gallons is gunna go quick.
@@Jay-me7gw that duramax will get much much better then that. Even crawling slow with tons of gear. That’s where it makes up for its small tank. I’d love to get a larger tank and go 1200 miles on a tank
Should have put the ZR2 in off road mode.
That chevy is pretty nice but no way would buy the diesel.
I never liked the updated chevy design. It looks unfinished and like someone didn't proof their work before they submitted it. Always found chevys to be a harsh ride. Also, disappointing seeing the fuel economy of the diesel. No reason it should be that horrendous. No reason to get a diesel at this point. I really enjoy the Ford. That would be my pick.
Alsooooooooo isn’t 4WA terrible for the transfer case/transmission?
No. Its totally fine. I know guys that never take their F150's out of 4Auto and never have issues.
Looking forward to the day, Andre create his own UA-cam channel and collects more revenue… I will subscribe