Why this Cradle Catholic LEFT the Roman Catholic Church (w/ Matthew P.)

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  • @roses993
    @roses993 Місяць тому +3

    Interesting. My granny left catholicism and both my parents were raised protestant. Super blessed!! ❤ i studied catholicism and im so glad i had nothing to do with their unbiblical doctrines!😊

  • @fernandoduranmanzano
    @fernandoduranmanzano 2 місяці тому +28

    Kind of a cultural Catholic myself (I am a native of Spain) for reasons more or less similar to Matthew. I eventually fell away from the faith too and ended up “sleeping with the pigs”, but God reclaimed what He made His own in Holy Baptism a couple of years ago. I ended up in the Orthodox Church for a while and now I am a happy confessional Lutheran. Truly the Word transforms us if we let it and receive it by faith.
    In my case also the Small Catechism had an impact of essential importance. I always say that it was through the Small Catechism that I began to hear the voice of Christ with a clarity that I had not heard for a long time.

    • @javierperd2604
      @javierperd2604  2 місяці тому +7

      @@fernandoduranmanzano Thank you for sharing! Please feel free to DM me on Twitter if you'd like to share your story on the channel 🙂

    • @jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613
      @jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 2 місяці тому

      Lutheranism is satanic

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@javierperd2604why not interview the Lutheran pastor who became Catholic instead of providing the worse examples of Catholics like this guy?

    • @WittenbergScholastic
      @WittenbergScholastic 2 місяці тому +1

      @@dan_m7774 timestamp: 1:30
      you make this too easy
      🥱
      FYI you're not even going to address anything anyone said in this entire comment section has said so im not bothering with your schizo posting anymore

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

      @@WittenbergScholastic You actually know you can't refute a knowledgeable Catholic. That is why you instead interview a easy goof of Catholicism

  • @rosannecramer1531
    @rosannecramer1531 2 місяці тому +2

    Loved this video and testimony! Thank you for sharing! God bless you! 🙏🏼🥰

  • @lianbalbuena914
    @lianbalbuena914 28 днів тому +1

    Time and time again this proves to be true. “Weak catholics become protestant, strong protestants become catholics.”

    • @schnelletruppenreenacting1959
      @schnelletruppenreenacting1959 23 дні тому

      Pretty sure strong Protestants remain Protestant because they're "Strong Protestants" just like how "Strong Roman Catholics" are more likely to remain Roman Catholic.

    • @carlosjennings7707
      @carlosjennings7707 17 днів тому +1

      Strong Catholics, like Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer etc, become Protestants.

  • @philkim2328
    @philkim2328 2 місяці тому +2

    Hi Matthew P. Your testimony resonates with me as I am also from Canada. I would love to hear from you.

  • @collinlynch4569
    @collinlynch4569 2 місяці тому +5

    Around the 45:00 mark I totally agree that the algorithm doesn’t represent reality. In the real world every Roman Catholic I’ve ever tried to have conversations about theology on, they knew absolutely nothing. It’s always pray to Mary, look up to your Saint, and be a good person. Oh and James 2:24 seems to be the only verse in the Bible that they know.

    • @Cheemz1
      @Cheemz1 Місяць тому

      BRO THATS CRAZY. Why was the same thing for me 😭.

  • @aaronraju8254
    @aaronraju8254 Місяць тому +1

    I love these type of videos. To often algorithms give us the other side but not the Ecclesial to Protestant jump

  • @robbchristopher158
    @robbchristopher158 2 місяці тому +2

    I attend an Episcopal church on Sundays and I really do enjoy it very much. However on Thursdays during the day I attend a Bible study at a Lutheran Church that I enjoy very much as well.💖

  • @octaviosalcedo9239
    @octaviosalcedo9239 2 місяці тому +3

    Finally :). Another interview.

  • @EdgarPacheco-
    @EdgarPacheco- 2 місяці тому +3

    Hola Javier, bendiciones, un abrazo a la distancia. ¿Hay alguna forma en que me pueda poner en contacto contigo?

    • @javierperd2604
      @javierperd2604  2 місяці тому

      @@EdgarPacheco- ¡Un abrazo, hermano! Sí, mándame un mensaje por Twitter y podemos hablar ahí 😁

  • @imedicimedic
    @imedicimedic 2 місяці тому +3

    Looking forward to it

  • @frennysala7039
    @frennysala7039 2 місяці тому +1

    Hello there,
    As for me, a common Catholic here in my country does not even understand "Pater Noster" as I recall what I would do was to recite them this prayer without telling them what it was. After giving it all, I would ask them if they knew what I uttered. They would say, no and I had to tell them that I had recited the Lord's Prayer. I proceeded to ask them why did they even bother to say "Amen" afterwards, because if we say "Amen" it means we agree with it and because we agree with it that means we understand it.
    Granted Catholicism (Roman) in the West is exercised intellectually, it still doesn't get rid of their throwing caricatures at Protestantism. I have three Roman Catholic minister uncles and two of them I've had more engagements on theological matters. Some of the things they accuse Protestants with are caricatures, seriously had I not looked into these myself, I would have taken their words.
    One of my uncles (aye, among the RC ministers) when he would get drunk, would go to our house and talk some things like Luther committed suicide, I heard this because I would set close to him and listen to him. I found out that Luther died of old age and because he had some sicknesses that contributed to his health's deterioration. Another one I heard was that he had women but then found out that he took a run-away nun as his wife and had children with her. What he told me were all lies and it does explain me how deep their hatred for Luther is.
    Thank you for your patience and God bless you

  • @Gronky-sv5yp
    @Gronky-sv5yp 2 місяці тому +8

    Hey javier, would you considers interviewing fernando cassanova?

    • @fernandoduranmanzano
      @fernandoduranmanzano 2 місяці тому +3

      Casanova said in his clarifying video that he is still in a process of discernment, not yet officially Lutheran, but, in his words, “he feels that God is leading him to the church in which he is currently congregating (of the LCMS in Puerto Rico).”

    • @Gronky-sv5yp
      @Gronky-sv5yp 2 місяці тому +3

      @@fernandoduranmanzano well, perhaps i don't know the whole context context, I can't speak Spanish myself (i tried to understand his points using yt auto translate). But i can understand fully what he meant at the end of his video ( well I guess you don't need to know Spanish to know he's reciting Luther's speech)
      Thank you for the insight brother, God bless U, ur family, conggregation, and your service to God ( please pray for mine too😁) ♥️

    • @javierperd2604
      @javierperd2604  2 місяці тому +5

      @Gronky-sv5yp I would definitely love to do so!
      Fernando Casanova said in his video that he is in the discernment process still, but it would be great to do so once he fully settles into a particular tradition.

    • @Gronky-sv5yp
      @Gronky-sv5yp 2 місяці тому +1

      @@javierperd2604 looking forward to it brother, God bless you in your service to Him. ♥️

    • @fernandoduranmanzano
      @fernandoduranmanzano 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Gronky-sv5yp Thank you, brother! May the Lord bless you. May the grace of God in Christ Jesus work in you and your family and may the Spirit keep you, preserve you and make you grow in the true faith always.

  • @kolab5620
    @kolab5620 2 місяці тому +2

    So tell me what the problem is.
    Matthew: Well Doc, it all started when I was born

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

    Luther talking about Saint.... after his excommunication.
    Satan is clever . . . Thus, even now, among us, he is quibbling over the worship of saints and what the saints are conscious of in heaven.
    Thus, too, I would solve the question about adoring and invoking God dwelling in the saints. It is a matter of liberty, and it is not necessary either to do it or not to do it. To be sure, it is not so certain that God has His dwelling in many men as that He is present in the sacrament, but we do read in I Corinthians [footnote: 1 Cor 14:24-25] that an unbeliever will fall on his face and worship God in the saints, if he hears them prophesying; and Abraham saw three angels, and worshiped one Lord; and (to use your own illustration) what do we do when we “prefer one another in honor,” except honor and adore God in ourselves? Let it be free, then, to call upon God in man or out of man, in creatures or out of them, for “I fill heaven and earth,” saith the Lord. Here faith goes the safest way, for in all things it sees only God, but we cannot say enough of this to unbelievers, or prove it to them, because they are always worshiping themselves. (Letter to Paul Speratus, 13 June 1522)

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

      Of course you have Christ himself talking to the Saints in the Transfiguration, and we can find it in the bible.

    • @WittenbergScholastic
      @WittenbergScholastic 2 місяці тому +4

      Maybe if you read our Book of Concord or knew anything about our tradition, you'd realize how silly this is.
      Firstly, on the most basic point, even if this was Luther's view still retained, I don't know why you'd think we would care. Our entire tradition is not boiled down to Luther, on the contrary, Luther barely wrote in our confessions by comparison to Chemnitz and Melancthon.
      Secondly, I thought Luther was a crazy blasphemous heretic that wanted to form his own church? Odd that we would still retained Romanist views after his excommunication. Read the 95 thesis, read his works prior to 1525. Luther clearly retained Romanist views because he only wanted to purify the Church of what was immediately necessary, in a way, you show that Luther had interest in continuity with the Roman Church, only to have his views change more and more after investigation, NOT excommunication, as we can see he was already ex-communicated here and still held Papist views.
      Lastly,, let's see a quote from the small portion that Luther did write in our Book of Concord; (you know, the most basic book for understanding Lutheran views. Which I'm sure you totally read and didn't just copy paste a quote from Luther out of context... right?)
      "Of the Invocation of Saints.
      The invocation of saints is also one of the abuses of Antichrist conflicting with the chief article, and destroys the knowledge of Christ. Neither is it commanded nor counseled, nor has it any example [or testimony] in Scripture, and even though it were a precious thing, as it is not [while, on the contrary, it is a most harmful thing], in Christ we have everything a thousandfold better [and surer, so that we are not in need of calling upon the saints]." Martin Luther, Smalcald Articles, 1537 (15 years after the quote you cited.)
      Feel free to read the read of the Article, it's available online for free.
      By the way, you would have seen this as literally the first thing if you had google'd "Luther on the Invocation of Saints," unless you were purposefully looking for a quote out of context.
      Embarrassing.

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@WittenbergScholastic Claiming Lutherans reject Luther,but Instead it was taken over by others simply point to how Luther was never guided by God, and how easily it is not based on scripture but opinions of men. Lutherans have split over Gay Marriage as it is just another opnion. As you pointed out Luther was just a reason to rebell against the Church Christ established.
      Luther did hold to his own beliefs and anyone who would not go along with him he displays evil intent towards. The Catholic Church, workers, Jews he all had evil in his heart for them.

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@WittenbergScholastic Claiming those alive in Christ are a problem is exactly what Satan wants you to believe. Funny how Lutherans still hold a high regard for Mary.This dead Saint that you think is blessed for all generations being also satanic.

    • @cheryl9856
      @cheryl9856 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@dan_m7774 Ordo is saying that we have other church fathers in addition to Luther. Our church tradition is broad and includes many voices.
      Also, are you not aware of the hateful things said about Luther from the RC side? You want Luther to be kind, humble and docile and yet overlook the ugliness perpetrated against him.

  • @josephrogish1655
    @josephrogish1655 Місяць тому

    Bros bashing Marian devotion as a Lutheran lol, he needs to read what Luther himself said and wrote about her 😂

  • @delightfulBeverage
    @delightfulBeverage 2 місяці тому

    I knew this woman who dropped the Cat instead of the Roman. Your way is much better. She was a very foolish lady. They found her body covered in cats and garbage.

  • @scottforesman7968
    @scottforesman7968 2 місяці тому

    I'd drop the 'umbrella' spiel. :)

  • @Sumbaddy129
    @Sumbaddy129 2 місяці тому +8

    I've been there before. Left Catholicism, explored other Christian denominations then came back to Catholicism because I actually studied the church fathers and the early church.

    • @doubtingthomas9117
      @doubtingthomas9117 2 місяці тому +5

      Interesting. There are others who have “actually studied the church fathers and the early church” (myself included) who have been Eastern Orthodox, confessional Lutheran, or classical Anglican instead. 😎

    • @Sumbaddy129
      @Sumbaddy129 2 місяці тому

      @@doubtingthomas9117 Classical Anglican? Is that where you are now from Orthodoxy?

    • @doubtingthomas9117
      @doubtingthomas9117 2 місяці тому

      @@Sumbaddy129 sort of…I was never officially Eastern Orthodox but was a catechumen for a brief time after seriously exploring it for a few years. That was about 18 years ago.

    • @Sumbaddy129
      @Sumbaddy129 2 місяці тому

      @@doubtingthomas9117 Why Anglican??

    • @doubtingthomas9117
      @doubtingthomas9117 2 місяці тому

      @@Sumbaddy129 long story. I began questioning some of my long held Baptist beliefs after reading different viewpoints on the internet over 20 years ago including those of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox apologists, who I thought made some good arguments regarding some things like the sacraments and the episcopate. I then started reading books by many of the same AND actually reading the early church fathers myself, especially the Apostolic fathers and Eusebius’ church history. I ultimately found the biblical and patristic evidence for the papacy (and for the latter day Marian dogmas) unconvincing., but continued seriously exploring Eastern Orthodoxy and attending liturgy when I could and met with the priest a couple of times to begin catechesis. However I had a few key theological issues I couldn’t get past (including some of the same issues about certain Marian beliefs and icon veneration) as well as some family issues that caused me to pump the brakes there. I started looking more into Anglicanism and after a couple of years i was confirmed in one of traditional Continuing Anglican churches.

  • @Willis_S
    @Willis_S 2 місяці тому +4

    I use the umbrella term gnostic to describe worshippers of luther and calvin.

    • @Graaskaegg
      @Graaskaegg 2 місяці тому +2

      They are as common as worshipers of the Pope.

    • @ScroopGroop
      @ScroopGroop 2 місяці тому +1

      Even though Gnosticism is totally unrelated?

  • @AnOpinionatedMan
    @AnOpinionatedMan 2 місяці тому +1

    Mike Gendron's hair has gotten really long

    • @mikaelrosing
      @mikaelrosing 2 місяці тому

      Lol i understand what you mean. the 50 years a catholic guy. Well he is different his reasoning should be looked at gracefully.

  • @jeremygr82
    @jeremygr82 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow this guy likes to talk

  • @johnnyg.5499
    @johnnyg.5499 2 місяці тому +4

    Javier.....next time get a guest that DID NOT come from a crappy Catholic grammer school Catechesis Program. This guy's parents are guilty of "religious child abuse." And NO parish would have been this disorganized when it comes to its Religious Education Program. I gave him and YOU 19 minutes and closed the video. You Lutherans are getting a REAL gem with this guy....GOOD LUCK!!

    • @javierperd2604
      @javierperd2604  2 місяці тому +8

      @johnnyg.5499 If you had watched for more than 19 minutes, you'd have heard us say that part of the point with this particular interview *is* that Matthew P. was poorly catechized, and that most of the Roman Catholics around him (friends, family, and fellow countrymen) are also poorly catechized.
      I have plenty of interviews with much more scholarly guests that you can check out, but not everyone has the same story, and that's okay.

    • @cheryl9856
      @cheryl9856 2 місяці тому +8

      I'm glad to have Matthew. We don't all need to come from ideal backgrounds to know and embrace the truth.

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@cheryl9856 We get a Lutheran Pastor who becomes Catholic, you get the worst of Catholics who never bothered to learn the teachings, then blames others rather than himself.

    • @johnnyg.5499
      @johnnyg.5499 2 місяці тому

      @@cheryl9856 Then don't reject something (Catholicism) if you don't know much about it. Know WHAT you are leaving before you jump into something else you very apparently know nothing about.

    • @katej910
      @katej910 2 місяці тому +2

      Almost every Roman Catholic I know is “poorly catechised”.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +3

    This guy lies claiming he never knew Christ dies for us in the CC
    The CC teaching....606 The Son of God, who came down “from heaven, not to do
    [his] own will, but the will of him who sent [him],”413 said on
    coming into the world, “Lo, I have come to do your will, O God.”
    “And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of
    the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”414 From the first moment of
    his Incarnation the Son embraces the Father’s plan of divine salva
    tion in his redemptive mission: “My food is to do the will of him
    who sent me, and to accomplish his work.”415 The sacrifice of Jesus
    “for the sins of the whole world”416 expresses his loving commun
    ion with the Father. “The Father loves me, because I lay down my
    life,” said the Lord, “[for] I do as the Father has commanded me,
    so that the world may know that I love the Father.”417
    607 The desire to embrace his Father’s plan of redeeming love
    inspired Jesus’ whole life,418 for his redemptive passion was the
    very reason for his Incarnation. And so he asked, “And what shall
    I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, for this purpose I have
    come to this hour.”419 And again, “Shall I not drink the cup which
    the Father has given me?”420 From the cross, just before “It is
    finished,” he said, “I thirst.”421
    517
    536
    457
    “The Lamb who takes away the sin of the world”

    • @rexlion4510
      @rexlion4510 2 місяці тому +4

      He said he didn't know that Christ died for him, personally. This is something that must be revealed by God to a willing, open person who is ready to admit that he is hopelessly lost in sin without God's grace through faith in Jesus' propitiation. But the problem is that the Catholic Church mostly teaches the layperson that Christianity is all about being a good Catholic. They say that Jesus died for sin, but they foster faith in the Catholic Church much more than they teach the importance of a personal faith in Jesus Christ and a living relationship of daily intimate fellowship with God the Holy Spirit. (Of course this will vary from parish priest to parish priest.) As a former cradle Catholic myself, I remember how woefully unprepared I was for the infilling of the Holy Spirit (which occurred when I was 18); the Church didn't teach me that personal communication between God and a believer was something to be expected and desired.
      It really isn't fair of you to accuse Matthew of lying when he's telling his personal experience. Do you think everyone in the Catholic Church has the same depth of spiritual understanding that you have?

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

      @@rexlion4510 Then who did he think Christ died for? The problem is not with Church teaching, but his immaturity and lack of interest in his youth. This is not uncommon even in Protestism, that youths claim their short comings were due to their parents or the church not making them religious.
      I know he is lying about his experiences.
      The prosperity gospel is all about having faith in Christ having a personal relationship, yet Christ actually call you to be in one body of believers, not just an feel good self centered relationship.
      Also it is in Scripture where the pillar and Bulwark of the truth is the Church. The bride of Christ is the Church. Your personal relationship with Christ is not a true relationship if you are protesting his bride.

  • @jbass6182
    @jbass6182 2 місяці тому +1

    Good luck with that…

  • @pete4258
    @pete4258 2 місяці тому +1

    Why??? He just didn't know his faith.
    How truly SAD, hopefully he will come to his senses.
    Ave Maria ❤❤❤

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    How do you explain knowledgeable Lutherans that we are in a great witness, and that prayers of Job were far better than his friends praying directly to God?

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +2

    Having gone to A Catholic School myself, I know he is lying they never mentioned scripture. It is mentioned in the Class room, and in the Mass. I know more about scripture as an 8th grader than this guy is able to communicate.
    What you don't get is a preacher centered lecture, where he explains his opinion of scripture as if it is God Breathed.
    What he did was never cared to learn when he was younger and instead of admitting it , he blames a church he never put any effort into rather than admit he had no maturity to learn.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    I like how he stated the priests in Luthers time were uneducated....lol

    • @christophekeating21
      @christophekeating21 2 місяці тому +1

      It's true. Many were. Many were poorly paid substitutes for richer prelates who had multiple clerical functions and lands. And these practices lasted for centuries even after the council of Trent. For example, in France, Cardinal Mazarin was the Abbott of 21 abbeys in France, including one where I live and collected revenue from them. However, he never set foot here or in most of his abbeys, he paid others to substitute for him.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    This is ridiculous as neither of these guys know Catholic teachings, yet strawman Catholic beliefs.

    • @roses993
      @roses993 Місяць тому +1

      Exodus 20:4-6

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 Місяць тому

      ​@@roses993 Thanks for a random verse

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    He just refuted his own reason that one should ask others to pray for him.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    The heresy that the blood and body are separated and do not contain all of the body, blood ,soul and divinity is what Mathew is promoting in his lack of knowledge of the lords supper.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    Working with God he thinks is not scriptural? This belief of Luther to sin boadly will lead many to destruction.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    He can not explain the difference between the Lutheran and Catholic understanding of the real presence.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +3

    Because you wanted to follow a man?

    • @hc7385
      @hc7385 2 місяці тому

      The one who follows a supposedly infallible magisterium of men unconditionally is you

    • @christianlight8511
      @christianlight8511 2 місяці тому +10

      Catholics LITERALLY submit to and follow a man.

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@christianlight8511 ​@christianlight8511 lol you are literally following a man named Denomination that teaches the concept of Luther. Like Muslims, Luther has to claim Christ failed to maintain his Church and Luther has to save Christianity. Then the floodgates opened with every man creating their Denomination in their own images.

    • @christianlight8511
      @christianlight8511 2 місяці тому +8

      @@dan_m7774 Do you, or do you not, submit to and follow the pope, who is a man?

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@christianlight8511 The Pope like the Apostles have a teaching authority from Christ. Do you submit to the teachings of Paul?
      Do you follow the personal opinion of scripture your pastor has, or do you follow the personal opinion of a pastor in another denomination as God Spoken?
      Which Denomination is the one truth, one teaching? Let me know so we can inform all the others they are teaching nothing but a Pastors opinion of scripture.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому +1

    Right, he wants you think that he never heard about the ten commandments before. Sorry but not buying it. The Catechism of the Catholic Church has about two hundred pages teaching on it. Chapter two, go look it up.

    • @zacdredge3859
      @zacdredge3859 2 місяці тому +3

      How many cradle Catholics do you think have actually read the Catechism?

    • @fernandoduranmanzano
      @fernandoduranmanzano 2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, well, that is a good point, but the same thing happens to us Lutherans when we are accused of being antinomian, when a great part of the Small and Large Catechisms are dedicated to the exposition of the Commandments.

    • @dan_m7774
      @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

      @@zacdredge3859 it is not a requirement, it is a resource. How many Protestants claim to explain Catholic teachings without ever reading the Catechism?

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    Lutheran Church is never mentioned in Scripture

    • @doubtingthomas9117
      @doubtingthomas9117 2 місяці тому +2

      Well technically the moniker “catholic church” is not mentioned in Scripture either. And in defense of the Lutherans, they were initially given that label by the papists.

  • @dan_m7774
    @dan_m7774 2 місяці тому

    To eat unworthy in Mortal sin brings destruction upon you. Matthew needs to learn scripture better.

  • @thisisforgod868
    @thisisforgod868 2 місяці тому

    So you now follow Luther instead of Jesus?