I did this trail 100% by myself at 19 years old in 2005 in a 98 TJ with a 4 inch lift and 35 Toyo Mudterrains. No lockers, no spotters. Smooth as butter. Never saw another vehicle the entire day. At one point, when the Jeep was teetering on two wheels in the breeze, I couldn't resist the urge to pop out the side and get a photo of her. Still have that photo. It was one of the greatest moments of my life.
It's not a 'cheat switch' and you're not 'cheating' if you use it. It's equipped that way to make things easier on you and on the Jeep. A good video, as usual. Thanks.
Several years ago I started down Cliffhanger with a group of avid Jeepers. I was in my then unmodified 1993 Toyota pickup. It wasn't much past the creek crossing that I realized I was in way over my head. Myself, and a couple in an older Land Cruiser decided to turn back. We ended up having to wait for the main group to come back so we could get winched up the last obstacle to the road. What an experience.
Do you have any photos from that trip? We would love to see the rigs in action. The link to the trail page is in the video description above. Go there and at the bottom you can leave a trip report with photos and video.
Very glad to see this trail finally on TrailsOffroad! I attempted this on my last trip but only made it down the gate keeper before deciding I need some more upgrades before continuing.
Wow, i love 4wheeling and your videos, I like the honesty of how you felt on this trail.. you had my heart going from the comforts of my home. Great video !
Like you saiid, incredible trails & scenery! My JLUR is equipped much like yours & I wouldn't have considered this trail until I saw you make it! Thanks!
Nice job Josh. Even seasoned 4wheelers like yourself can still get sweaty palms. Glad you made it through safely! Love TrailsOffroad! Very happy subscriber.
Its worth it. If you can only do it once, give yourself a full week there. Just be ready to want to go back. What are some of your favorite trails? We are always looking for new places to offroad.
10 foot ledge huh? LoL maybe 4 feet , but I do love that you get 4 great obstacles in the first 100 yards of that trail and then you get many very nice spots to wheel and no shortage of obstacles....what I don't like about that trail is it is not a loop which the in and back out creates issues of traffic. Great pucker trail. Keep your S#!T wired tight at all times.
Yeah, camera was a bit too close to see the full thing. Probably could call it more of a waterfall with a 4 foot ledge at top. But absolutely agree. This trail is amazing, but it is completely understandable why people don't want to do it. Lets go wheeling this weekend Joe. Big Bear is a calling.
All good. I think it is more like a 6 waterfall with an almost vertical ledge that is about 4 feet at the top. So to skip a long explanation that is why I said that. But the camera doesn't do it justice at all. It wasn't good feeling in the jeep. --- Josh
What an awesome trail. Wow. Maybe next year we'll ship our jku to the states and drive some trails. We're just looking for some other offroader we can travel with
Good video. I've been up Cliffhanger several times. Probably the best conditions for 2 wheel or navigating a jeep up Cliffhanger is to wait until after a rain and be the first to climb the rock. The sand deposits in dry conditions can really slip a tire.
Might get a Tazer to keep your settings as they were each time you cycle the ignition. That said, I made it to the Cliff Hanger creek crossing in my JTR, 37s on Mopar lift, and called it there. So glad to see what the rest of the trail looks like. Heart pounding just watching you go over the obstacle twice! 👍🏻👍🏻👏👏
It was April 2019, the day we left for EJS. Put it on a trailer and took it straight to Poison Spider and it had only 11 miles on the odometer. I thought I took a video of it but apparently I didn't hit record. But the video is out there with that jeep brand new with shine on the trail.
@@Trailsoffroad No issues at all until I got back to the damn parking lot. That clime out is.......interesting. It had stopped raining by that point. The wheel base on a Rokon is only like 5 feet. Had to walk beside it and let it crawl itself out to the road. I had to do the same thing on Rusty Nail.
Did the 2 door have lockers? I am heading out there this week and am thinking this could be awesome but I don't have lockers in my 2 door. Thanks and great video!!!
Yes it did. This might be a bit much for a vehicle without lockers as there is no tow points on this trail. Read up on the trail and get a ton more detail at www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/524-cliff-hanger
One of the hardest technical and psychological trails I've done. Did it with janky (intermittent) lockers. Views and sense of accomplishment definitely worth it #EJS22
When on Cliffhanger obstacle, how far away is the cliff ? I am afraid of heights and was just curious if anyone has ever flopped here and if so di they go over the ledge.
So you are right on the cliff. But there is a small area that might catch the vehicle if you rolled off. might. But you would have to be doing something really insane to go off the cliff as the climb is flat and leans towards the cliff.
Thanks for watching! Take a look at our trail guide, we describe in detail the entirety of the trail including what vehicle we recommend! www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/524-cliff-hanger
When I started the obstacle I knew I would need everything the Jeep can do. So I engaged both front and rear lockers, but what you didn't see is I tried to get out of the Jeep half way up. So I turned off the Jeep to get out. Long story short, I couldn't exit the vehicle without climb through the window. So I had my spotter describe what I wanted to see and he placed a few rocks. I then restarted the Jeep and continued up and out. My spotter asked me why I didn't try my lockers noticing they were off. (Almost the entire trip I purposely didn't use my lockers). My spotter knowing this asked why I had them off on the obstacle. Well, I turned them on at the bottom and assumed they would stay on after the key cycle like the sway bar. I never double check that they were on or off. Mostly because I was focusing in on the moment. So that is what I mean by that. ---- Josh
This is a great question. There are a few reasons, some are good, others not so much. Below is my reasoning with reason too. Let me know what you think? To start, you should always enter an obstacle that you know you will likely need lockers with your lockers on. Engaging your lockers while in an obstacle can sometimes cause the lockers not to fully engage and could cause problems such as breakage. So why I don't run with my lockers 99.99% of the time 1.) Overwhelmingly less wear and tear on your driveline. This one is a good one and I think about it constantly. 2.) Drastically lowers your chances of breaking. For me, I am pretty gentle on the Jeep, so this one isn't on my list of reasons. But for someone that is newer, it should be. 3.) Running no lockers makes it much easier to stay on a line. With one tire not spinning, you won't slide around. This can help in certain situations. 4.) This is one I do pay watch out for but it drastically reduces the chances of getting steering lockup. 5.) This one is 100% me. But, I personally like the challenge, the harder it is, in my opinion, the more fun you will have. I am a firm believer that the people who struggle more than others are having more fun. When you have to earn the trail it makes it fun. This is why my other jeep is a manual trans. 6.) This is a very bad one and I don't recommend doing this. Now, if you are open open and you get stuck. You can turn on your lockers and likely get yourself unstuck. But go back to what I opened up with. This is risky. But the truth be told, I think I have only had to do this a couple times ever. Before going into an obstacle I am usually pretty confident I will make it through or will be able to back out. If I doubt it at all, I engage the lockers at least 15 feet before the obstacle to ensure they are fully engaged. Now the debatable one. Driving with no lockers on is actually drastically better for the trail. The reason for that is when you are running your lockers on, both tires move at the same speed. If you turn at all, it is tearing up the ground as one tire is either moving fast or slower than the ground it is passing over. Now.... The big thing is if you spin your tires at all and your lockers could have kept you from spinning, plus it is in a spot that can take damage such as dirt, lockers could do less damage than being open in that instance. So that is why some people have the opposite view. Why use your lockers 1.) Lockers can help make quick work of an obstacle. If the group is moving fast I will often engage them on anything I question or think might be hard. 2.) Lockers will ensure that you can take your vehicle to its limits and beyond. This allows you to do drastically harder obstacles than you can open open. Meaning you can do harder trails and get to more unique places that fewer people have been to. Anyway, let me know if this all makes sense or if I confused you more? Thank you for watching the video - Josh
Great scenery, but zero interest for my relatively mild stock 4x4 off the beaten path taste. Much of that trail looked too scary to hike on by foot, LOL.
Hahaha, there was more then one time when we stopped. I had to move the Jeep because I was not comfortable enough getting out of the Jeep where it sat. Please tell us your favorite trail? We love every trail and always looking for recommendations.
if a 4 door dodge can do it any real CJ can breeze right through. but thanks to the eico nuts and for profit groups like the sierra clup 60% of the jeep roads in the moan area are now closed and can only be used by card careing member of special hiking clubs. all others will be arrested for trespassing.
Yeah, that is a real issue we are fighting out there. It is important everyone be involved with local groups that are helping fight the fight to keep the trails open.
We tested this idea many times and found people want that background music overwhelmingly. Videos without music flopped every time. Thank you for the comment and watching. We love to hear what people like and don't like, plus what trails they would like to see.
I did this trail 100% by myself at 19 years old in 2005 in a 98 TJ with a 4 inch lift and 35 Toyo Mudterrains. No lockers, no spotters. Smooth as butter. Never saw another vehicle the entire day. At one point, when the Jeep was teetering on two wheels in the breeze, I couldn't resist the urge to pop out the side and get a photo of her. Still have that photo. It was one of the greatest moments of my life.
What a great story! Post a photo in a trail review, we would love to see it! www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/524-cliff-hanger
Sure you did🤡
It's not a 'cheat switch' and you're not 'cheating' if you use it. It's equipped that way to make things easier on you and on the Jeep. A good video, as usual. Thanks.
Thank you for watching
Several years ago I started down Cliffhanger with a group of avid Jeepers. I was in my then unmodified 1993 Toyota pickup. It wasn't much past the creek crossing that I realized I was in way over my head. Myself, and a couple in an older Land Cruiser decided to turn back. We ended up having to wait for the main group to come back so we could get winched up the last obstacle to the road. What an experience.
Do you have any photos from that trip? We would love to see the rigs in action. The link to the trail page is in the video description above. Go there and at the bottom you can leave a trip report with photos and video.
Very glad to see this trail finally on TrailsOffroad! I attempted this on my last trip but only made it down the gate keeper before deciding I need some more upgrades before continuing.
Yeah, long overdue. And that first part is no joke.
Oh Yeah BABY!! This is REAL off-roading!
That it is... Thank you for watching.
Great job Josh.....you definitely captured that trail and have moved it to the top of my bucket list....Awesome buddy!!!
I am happy I could spark a little adventure. Let us know how it goes. Take pictures and post them up on our website. ---- Josh
Beautiful trail, thanks for shairng. Well done on the video.
Thank you. And it was a stunning trail. Almost to distracting
Wow, i love 4wheeling and your videos, I like the honesty of how you felt on this trail.. you had my heart going from the comforts of my home. Great video !
hahahha, thank you. And thank you for watching.
Three words..... Truly F#*king Amazing!!!! Awesome video!
Thank you for the the awesome words.
Holly shhhhhh!
That's one wild but beautiful trail!
To say the least. But often the harder trails have the bigger rewards. Thank you for watching
Like you saiid, incredible trails & scenery! My JLUR is equipped much like yours & I wouldn't have considered this trail until I saw you make it! Thanks!
If you decide to give it a shot, head on over to the website and post some pics. We would love to see it!
That was exciting. Love the music. Beautiful Utah!
We love Utah too. So beautiful. Thank you for watching.
Nice job Josh. Even seasoned 4wheelers like yourself can still get sweaty palms. Glad you made it through safely! Love TrailsOffroad! Very happy subscriber.
Thank you Dennis. This is defiantly one of those trail. hahahha. Have you done this one?
Epic Moab! Great video!
Thank you for the kind words. And thanks for watching.
The view is AMAZING. Thank you.
Thank you John. Have you done this trail?
THAT WAS AWESOME!! i wouldve been freaked out myself. great video :) breathtaking views!!
Thank you and thank you for watching. Have you done this trail?
have not done cliff hanger yet. Looks amazing
I was shocked by the scenery of the trail. It is right there at what I believe is one of the most scenic trails in Moab. Well worth it. - -- Josh
Much respect. You guys a
Re Fn nutz. Off that cliff and it’s game over. Great video
Thank you, yeah it was a bit stressful.
insane trail! Great, well put together video on it
Thank you for the kind words. Are you heading out to this trail anytime soon?
Beautiful scenery, and video, thanks
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great Job!!! The views are amazing.
Thank you, Have you done this trail?
Excellent video - engaging. Beautiful views - thank you.
You bet!
I find up ALWAYS easier, less stressful and overall more fun! Great videos you make, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching
WOW 🤩 The views are STUNNING!!!!!
Cliff Hanger never gets old!
I can’t wait to get out there someday! Trail looked super DOPE 💯🤙
Its worth it. If you can only do it once, give yourself a full week there. Just be ready to want to go back.
What are some of your favorite trails? We are always looking for new places to offroad.
I just added this to my bucket list. Thanks for the video.
You will love it. Follow up with us after you run the trail and let us know what you think.
Did it in a 4 seater RZR on 33" it was a challenge but loved it.
Probably was amazing having the all the open air around you.
@ 0:16 Looks like a spider was trying to help pull you up. Looks like a really fun trail
Hahahaa, was thinking the same thing.
10 foot ledge huh? LoL maybe 4 feet , but I do love that you get 4 great obstacles in the first 100 yards of that trail and then you get many very nice spots to wheel and no shortage of obstacles....what I don't like about that trail is it is not a loop which the in and back out creates issues of traffic. Great pucker trail. Keep your S#!T wired tight at all times.
Yeah, camera was a bit too close to see the full thing. Probably could call it more of a waterfall with a 4 foot ledge at top.
But absolutely agree. This trail is amazing, but it is completely understandable why people don't want to do it.
Lets go wheeling this weekend Joe. Big Bear is a calling.
Looks about 10 foot to me from flat ground to flat ground 🤷♂️
@@southernappalachianrecon Maybe I misunderstood what Josh was saying.
Cameras make everything look easier
All good. I think it is more like a 6 waterfall with an almost vertical ledge that is about 4 feet at the top. So to skip a long explanation that is why I said that. But the camera doesn't do it justice at all. It wasn't good feeling in the jeep. --- Josh
What an awesome trail. Wow. Maybe next year we'll ship our jku to the states and drive some trails. We're just looking for some other offroader we can travel with
Let us know when you narrow in on some dates.
damn this is gorgeous. I can't wait to try it someday
I wasn't expecting the views. I couldn't believe how amazing they are. Thank you for watching ---- Josh
Good video. I've been up Cliffhanger several times. Probably the best conditions for 2 wheel or navigating a jeep up Cliffhanger is to wait until after a rain and be the first to climb the rock. The sand deposits in dry conditions can really slip a tire.
I can believe it.
Might get a Tazer to keep your settings as they were each time you cycle the ignition. That said, I made it to the Cliff Hanger creek crossing in my JTR, 37s on Mopar lift, and called it there. So glad to see what the rest of the trail looks like. Heart pounding just watching you go over the obstacle twice! 👍🏻👍🏻👏👏
hahaha, I get it. I was going into it with much easier expectations.
I do have a Tazor Mini. I guess it doesn't keep those settings. --- Josh
This was so much better than I thought. And way scarier too though. hahahahah.
Word
The trail had my butt puckering, and I am home in my chair. One day I'll tackle that trail and overcome my fear.
hahahaha. We feel you. What kind of trails do you like?
Awesome.
Thank you, and thank you for watching.
Awesome! 😎👍
Thanks Chewy!
Nice, balls of Steel!
fun trail, thanks for watching
These guys did it
Great trail
The pucker factor must be amazing.
Right there at the top
Cliff Hanger Baby!!!!!
Amazing trail
When did you get the JL?
It was April 2019, the day we left for EJS. Put it on a trailer and took it straight to Poison Spider and it had only 11 miles on the odometer. I thought I took a video of it but apparently I didn't hit record. But the video is out there with that jeep brand new with shine on the trail.
Did Cliffhanger on a Rokon all alone in the rain. That was an interesting day.
That sounds a bit wild. How was it going back up the main obstacle?
@@Trailsoffroad No issues at all until I got back to the damn parking lot. That clime out is.......interesting. It had stopped raining by that point. The wheel base on a Rokon is only like 5 feet. Had to walk beside it and let it crawl itself out to the road. I had to do the same thing on Rusty Nail.
Yeah, no kidding about that ending. But sounds like good memories
Scury! 😱
To say the least.
No way on God's green earth would I attempt that! You guys have balls the size of the moon, my hat is off to you....stay safe!
hahahaha, it is rush for sure.
I did that in my Prius. Is there any badge I get for that?
Pretty sure there is. Lets see this video.
Did the 2 door have lockers? I am heading out there this week and am thinking this could be awesome but I don't have lockers in my 2 door. Thanks and great video!!!
Yes it did. This might be a bit much for a vehicle without lockers as there is no tow points on this trail. Read up on the trail and get a ton more detail at www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/524-cliff-hanger
One of the hardest technical and psychological trails I've done. Did it with janky (intermittent) lockers. Views and sense of accomplishment definitely worth it
#EJS22
Awesome!!!! If you haven't already, post up a trip report with some photos. The link is in the video description above.
When on Cliffhanger obstacle, how far away is the cliff ? I am afraid of heights and was just curious if anyone has ever flopped here and if so di they go over the ledge.
So you are right on the cliff. But there is a small area that might catch the vehicle if you rolled off. might.
But you would have to be doing something really insane to go off the cliff as the climb is flat and leans towards the cliff.
Do you have a revkit or video of the JL build?
Surprisingly I do not. Give me a few days and I will work on getting something up. Is there a question I can answer right now?
Here you got
revkit.com/noesser-jl
What do you recommend as the minimum jeep modification for this trail? Thanks Art
Thanks for watching! Take a look at our trail guide, we describe in detail the entirety of the trail including what vehicle we recommend! www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/524-cliff-hanger
Both have 35s???
The 4-door JL was on 38's, I would have to confirm, but I believe the TJ was on 35's.
Yikes, you guys rock; pun intended 👍🏼
hahahaha, thank you. And thanks for watching.
Hi. Bought my first ever jeep. What did you mean when you stated near video end "Lockers turn off with every key cycle?" Thx
When I started the obstacle I knew I would need everything the Jeep can do. So I engaged both front and rear lockers, but what you didn't see is I tried to get out of the Jeep half way up. So I turned off the Jeep to get out. Long story short, I couldn't exit the vehicle without climb through the window. So I had my spotter describe what I wanted to see and he placed a few rocks. I then restarted the Jeep and continued up and out. My spotter asked me why I didn't try my lockers noticing they were off. (Almost the entire trip I purposely didn't use my lockers). My spotter knowing this asked why I had them off on the obstacle. Well, I turned them on at the bottom and assumed they would stay on after the key cycle like the sway bar. I never double check that they were on or off. Mostly because I was focusing in on the moment. So that is what I mean by that. ---- Josh
WOW!!!
Thank you
Is it doable with a JLU on 35" with a 2 1/2" lift?
lockers and likely a friend to winch too
@@Trailsoffroad going with a large Wrangler group. Thanks
Have fun
That trail was a big nope for us in our 4x4s. We mountain biked it instead and that one section was still sketchy.
it is super narrow. As we pulled up, this one guy went off the obstacle at full speed. It was overly impressive.
Why don't you use your lockers?
This is a great question.
There are a few reasons, some are good, others not so much. Below is my reasoning with reason too. Let me know what you think?
To start, you should always enter an obstacle that you know you will likely need lockers with your lockers on. Engaging your lockers while in an obstacle can sometimes cause the lockers not to fully engage and could cause problems such as breakage.
So why I don't run with my lockers 99.99% of the time
1.) Overwhelmingly less wear and tear on your driveline. This one is a good one and I think about it constantly.
2.) Drastically lowers your chances of breaking. For me, I am pretty gentle on the Jeep, so this one isn't on my list of reasons. But for someone that is newer, it should be.
3.) Running no lockers makes it much easier to stay on a line. With one tire not spinning, you won't slide around. This can help in certain situations.
4.) This is one I do pay watch out for but it drastically reduces the chances of getting steering lockup.
5.) This one is 100% me. But, I personally like the challenge, the harder it is, in my opinion, the more fun you will have. I am a firm believer that the people who struggle more than others are having more fun. When you have to earn the trail it makes it fun. This is why my other jeep is a manual trans.
6.) This is a very bad one and I don't recommend doing this. Now, if you are open open and you get stuck. You can turn on your lockers and likely get yourself unstuck. But go back to what I opened up with. This is risky. But the truth be told, I think I have only had to do this a couple times ever. Before going into an obstacle I am usually pretty confident I will make it through or will be able to back out. If I doubt it at all, I engage the lockers at least 15 feet before the obstacle to ensure they are fully engaged.
Now the debatable one.
Driving with no lockers on is actually drastically better for the trail. The reason for that is when you are running your lockers on, both tires move at the same speed. If you turn at all, it is tearing up the ground as one tire is either moving fast or slower than the ground it is passing over. Now.... The big thing is if you spin your tires at all and your lockers could have kept you from spinning, plus it is in a spot that can take damage such as dirt, lockers could do less damage than being open in that instance. So that is why some people have the opposite view.
Why use your lockers
1.) Lockers can help make quick work of an obstacle. If the group is moving fast I will often engage them on anything I question or think might be hard.
2.) Lockers will ensure that you can take your vehicle to its limits and beyond. This allows you to do drastically harder obstacles than you can open open. Meaning you can do harder trails and get to more unique places that fewer people have been to.
Anyway, let me know if this all makes sense or if I confused you more? Thank you for watching the video - Josh
Is that tj on 35s?
Yes
Great video and great scenery, but no for me. I'm not afraid to say that those drop off would be too much for me.
We absolutely get it.
This is the one trail I don’t think I can do lol. I think I’d need to ride passenger once before ever driving it.
We get it. Even though there is a little space for mistakes. There isn't much and when you can see it, it is very uncomfortable
Great scenery, but zero interest for my relatively mild stock 4x4 off the beaten path taste. Much of that trail looked too scary to hike on by foot, LOL.
Hahaha, there was more then one time when we stopped. I had to move the Jeep because I was not comfortable enough getting out of the Jeep where it sat. Please tell us your favorite trail? We love every trail and always looking for recommendations.
More lift or get some different fender flares
wasn't the fender flairs rubbing.
Tires are way too large if you're rubbing like that... 38's on 2" lift.....
yeah, just put them a few days before the trip. Didn't have time to clearance anything.
😳
Hahahahha
if a 4 door dodge can do it any real CJ can breeze right through.
but thanks to the eico nuts and for profit groups like the sierra clup 60% of the jeep roads in the moan area are now closed and can only be used by card careing member of special hiking clubs. all others will be arrested for trespassing.
Yeah, that is a real issue we are fighting out there. It is important everyone be involved with local groups that are helping fight the fight to keep the trails open.
Holy shit that's a big hell no from me lol.
hahahaha, its brutal
Another Off Road Channel that thinks they are MTV too..... What's wrong with Off Road Sounds why drown them out with that stuff??
We tested this idea many times and found people want that background music overwhelmingly. Videos without music flopped every time.
Thank you for the comment and watching. We love to hear what people like and don't like, plus what trails they would like to see.