The DCEU: Why Has It Gone So Wrong?
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The DCEU is the shared movie universe, distributed by Warner Bros, for DC's iconic superheroes like Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.
The movies in the franchise so far have been Man of Steel (2013), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016), Suicide Squad (2016), Wonder Woman (2017) and Justice League (2017).
It's fair to say it hasn't gone as smoothly as the people behind it would have liked - only Wonder Woman has truly been universally liked - and in this documentary, we'll take a look at why that's been the case.
Factors include there not being one person driving the franchise, the lack of consistency in terms of the movies' formulas, and the rushed nature of the franchise's bigger installments.
It also hasn't helped matters that the franchise is regularly compared to the Dark Knight Trilogy (which it directly followed), the TV Arrowverse (which proves live action DC projects CAN still be fantastic), and the Marvel Cinematic Universe (DC's direct rivals who are totally nailing the movie thing right now).
But there IS still time to reverse the franchise's fortunes - and they can start this year with Aquaman, which has the potential to be fantastic if it's done right!
There's so much untapped potential in DC's comic books, just waiting to be adapted into awesome movies!
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In very similar language.
Marvel slowly cooked their superheroes.
DC microwaved them
@Magic Gamer I think he meant Marvel actually took time and developed their characters while DC just rushed them and didn't develop them.
DC movies are cheesy
XGN CaRnAgE well so are Marvel films but we kinda like that...
agreed
PERFECT EXPLANATION Achytuth!!!
The problem with the DCEU is that they are trying too hard to play catch up. MCU has built itself, and has a lot of backstories to go with their characters. DCEU, is just rushed, they need to slow down and just take their time introducing the characters, and building backstories.
Totally agree, BvS and Justice League is just too damn rush eventually they ruined the universe itself. A good way to start is like Man of Steel, Suicide Squad, Wonder Women, Aquaman, Shazam, all the solo superhero movie first.
Completely correct, also id say they are more nefarious in tone and underlying subliminal messaging. So many of these movies are cabal run and trying to get us to buy into their satanic BS.
i actually really liked the dark theme. but they didnt do it well. one minute batman says do you bleed and the next leaves everything after hearing martha. wtf? how is the climax of a movie so dark a shared name?? are these directors 9?
Ronnie, hit nail on head. Why was Cyborg (who is that????) and Flash (know him but not well -- don't know background story) so quick to be introduced? Why not just BM, WW, and SM fail maybe -- just by themselves. Then, they need more superheroes. But, it just happened too quick, in my opinion. Slow the movie down some. But, I love DC and want DCEU to survive and do really well.
marvel built up their universe better, yes. but imo, only about 20% of the movies are actually any good
Batman vs Superman: too dark
Shazam: pure comedy
@This Is What Awesome Looks Like it was , but it had a childish vibe to it, like everything will be alright , no high stakes. That kinda thing.
@This Is What Awesome Looks Like No shazam is suck movie for Children
Shazam is a big success
@@muhammadsyafiqdzafri138 mayb because u r still child now
@@jabed8436 i am a child 😂
If only they started off with standalone films.
Alpha’s Motion Like Watchmen V for Vendetta etc
If they are going for this dark tone with the movies why not do the injustice series I mean superman kills joker I would like to see that try to go for like civil war did
Then people would’ve been like “who tf is cyborg” outside of my fellow Teen Titans fans
They should have used wonder woman as a kickoff for the dceu.
The Dceu was just to impatient
To borrow another quote from Jeff Goldblum: They stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as they could, and before they even knew what they had, they patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box.
One word: Rushing. Trying to rush everything to somehow compete with Marvel. And why? Had they taken their time, they could've won.
The thing is that it wasn't supposed to be planned like that. It was supposed to be a 5 movie/story arc. Suicide squad and wonder woman wasn't supposed to be in it. They were more like chapters. It wasn't supposed to be this big universe like marvel but WB messed it up :/
That is your opinion and not a fact, as your statement implies. With the passing of time, Marvel becomes better and better, whereas DC is getting worse and worse. That does not mean that Marvel does not have bad films, nor that DC does not have good ones, but their greatest majority is remarkably different. Had DC taken it's time, they would have only made Marvel better. It is beyond any doubt that competition forces Marvel to constantly improve itself. On the other hand, competition forces DC to surprise us with it's lack of professionalism and quality. And before someone reaches that conclusion, no, i am not a Marvel fan. I am not a DC fan, either. I am a movies fan.
@@vardellsfolly5200 I think that DC should not even think about marvel as a competitor they should just focus on they own movies. Take there time with it without worrying how big the mcu gets because even when the DCEU started the mcu was already huge after the avengers. The people who watch the film should also not compare the DCEU to the mcu as their are completely different
That's 20 words
Not everything has to be a competition
Even the director of Suicide Squad said The Joker should have been the main villain.
And it would be fun for it to be a supervillain origin story. Not anti hero with redeeming qualities, but something like Joker taking over a group of villains.
Warner Brothers refuses to watch Batman the animated series, Superman the animated series and justice league/unlimited. Literally the epitome of these characters done RIGHT.
Warner. Brothers produced every one of them.
Anton A. No, I know, and they refuse to watch their old shows lol
I agree, it's like no-one in DC/Warner Bros ever bothers to research the source material.
youngknowledgeseeker
- 100% agree . Nothing else to add period.
I'd even add Batman of the Future (how Batman Beyond was known in Europe) instead of Batman the Animated Series, if they so wanted to make captivating spinoffs.
Gotham by Gaslight and Harley and Batman movies are so full of filler they are a shame for the animated cinematic universe. Even The Killing Joke.
They should learn from their Animated Movies
Yes. The DC animated stuff is very good. Marvel should do the DC live action, and DC should do Marvels animated stuff. lol.
@@robsaice2776 lol facts
@@gandhi_1867 Exactly. No idea why the CEO / board of directors at Warner Bros are completely clueless that their cheap animated series like Batman / Justice League are much superior to their live action done by Zach Snyder. They should have hired the writers / directors of the animated series instead of Snyder and his crew.
Awais!!! Thank You!!! I've said this since the Batman vs Superman movie. They really messed that up. That movie alone should had saved the DCEU.
My only issue with the Animated Movies is that I'm so sick of Batman. It feels like DC shoves him in, and he always has to be either a key part of the story or he puts up the best fight or show off what a 'badass' he is. Like, when he put up a better fight against Doomsday than the actual superhumans, I rolled my eyes. When he was in Justice League Dark, I genuinely started cursing. It's like DC doesn't trust their own characters to stand on their own without Batman hanging around somewhere.
They hit the nail on the head with Kevin Feigie, he knew from the start what the end goal of Phase One was which was build every movie, leading to the avengers, then he knew that they would be building to Thanos and the infinity stones/gems, Decu had no such luxary. They were like, right Marvel's universe is doing so well so we need to rush to catch up.
Except Kevin didn't know that there will be a thanos and as confirmed by him and whedon and thanos being at the end is just a nod to comics
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The funny thing is Kevin Feige and Geoff Johns worked together then got hired by Marvel and DC, they should be both unstoppable in their own companies, but i don't know what WB wants to really accomplish in the DCEU.
Whedon was the Thanos of JOOSTICE LEAGUE. Warner Bros is all to blame. Snyder had multiple part story for justice league, would have been better than Joss.
super gerd Disney pretty much gave Kevin Feige freedom to do anything. The only time Disney interfered was when Feige asked Bob Iger to get Issac Perlmutter off his back
Animated series: DC wins
Movies: Marvel wins
I have always said this. I actually prefer DC shows in general.
if by win, you mean smashes the box office. the movies are meh to some of us
Into the Spider Verse stomped all the DC animated movies in the box office, and that's animated
@@kurochi4768 no it didn't.....
@@the_Sourav. yes it did
"You try,so hard to stand against the Marvel,yet to fail all the same.
"I understood that reference"
DCEU should reeboot the whole universe and develop their character slowly
Om
what's that suppose to mean bro
@@animecafe1142
To get to know the characters thats why they need to have their own movies just like what marvel did.
Agree
@@Raccon_Detective. They are already doing that
They rushed it rather than developing it. They pushed a shared universe on us rather than earning our desire for it. They also don't seem to understand their characters and instead at first tried to make them all like Batman, then tried to make them all like Marvel characters.
They should have done the origin movies immediately after BvS.
@@myraprice1378 They should have done them all right after MoS. Look at Marvel's chronology. Before we got Avengers there were 2 Iron Man movies, a Thor Movie, a Hulk Movie, and a Captain America movie. That was all done in 4 years (Iron Man in 2008 and Avengers in 2012). WB had more than enough time to do it right, they just wanted a big payday fast and easy.
Exactly altrocks, they're more concerned with playing catchup with the MCU then making good movies.
Its really sad. But its the truth. Wish they will take their time and follow a good storyline in the comics or at least make a script that make sense. So many dc movies with great potential were ruined.
I agree. It’s sad to see a good performance of Henry Cavill go to waste.
I feel like Cavil, Affleck, Gadot, Momoa, and Miller are all perfect for their characters. I feel like if they had better writers they good be better movies. They aren't horrific trash, or flaming garbage. I feel like DC just needs to find their groove. I'll be here waiting happily for it. By the way. I'm a die hard Marvel Fanboy.
doesn't add up to two cents but affleck's smug wayne smile just doesn't work for me... not a put down to affleck who i know takes a lot of heat, but there's just a lot of ham in that smile that draws outside the line every time he does it
I thought Affleck and Miller were miscast, Momoa is ok as Aquaman but has a really small acting range.
You forgot ray fisher as cyborg, perfect imo.
ray fisher was way too serious and aloof as cyborg. Cyborg is very engaging to draw the distinction he is still a man and not all machine.
@2020Surya S315 Cavil*
5 years for DC equals 6 movies
10 years for marvel equals 20 movies
Warner is busy but Disney is not
so what do think now
MCU made more than 3x as much movies as DCEU in a span twice the latter.
Even more for Marvel
Kind of like youtube algorithm... More vids per day more attention you get
Yeah they got the algorithm down and just went with that. And that seemed to work for a while
Seriously, Shazam looks like it should be a series on Comedy Central.
Yo.... Thank you
And is now killing it with critics and fans alike sooooo....
Screen rant 2022 why has the dceu gone so right.
Keep dreaming.....
@@GhostOfInazuma keep dreaming What? You appear to be the only one on this thread who has said so.etbing ridiculous...
WB: What did it cost?
Zack Snyder: Everything.
BSJ IN YO HOUSE other way around no?
What if James Wan Direct dceu in the first place?
Snyder doomed DCEU...
@@Logh0s he's not directing the upcoming films
@@silversmoke4159 really? WB don't learn... don't get me wrong, he did amazing movies, but in the DCEU he didn'work
The actor of lex luther should have played like riddler
too short.. they should keep the riddler from Gotham tv show.. he's tall and thin and has the perfect look.. in my opinion
Bryan Cranston should've been played as Lex Luthor.
I honestly love the dark tone of the DCEU...they just need to slow down, put a plan together, and get better writers.
Exactly. Everyone keeps complaining about the dark tone. The dark tone is cool. It just needs better stories and execution.
true
Weather the tone is are light or dark, if the hero of the movie isn't very smart or doesn't have common sense how can I root for them
We spend billions of dollars to watch one game the Superbowl we root for our team to win to work together to achieve victory
Here is the problem the people that make these DC movies can't relate to The common folks and they don't know the characters Please here me go watch the animated shows and movies they have done the for you
D.C tries in a rushed attempt to usurp Marvel. There, I saved 20 minutes of your time.
WHICH DO U PREFER
LIKE MCU
REPLY DCEU
I prefer Dc not dceu
Still dc.
well the winner is clear,btw I gave a like
It’s easier to like than reply...😑🤷🏽♂️
I’m commenting and voting because they’re both good
DC's actors force themselves too much into their roles, whilst Marvel's actors put elements of their own characteristics intovthe characters. At least that's the vibe I am getting
I don’t think it’s really the actors fault. If they just started with solo movies and made a good storyline then it would be great. Wonder Woman is a great example of that
@spook You not read Ironman comic, right?
Perfect example is the flash in justice league it was like his acting was forced
They just rush everything. They wanted to be right up there with Marvel in 1 or 2 films with no backstories. Dumping large amounts of backstories into a single film that made it messy. And its seems that even today with the CGI tech we have, yes, you can also rush and mess up that as well.
1)justice league was just a bunch of the same character walking around with different powers. There was no character development. Pure cash grab.
2)bad surface level writing with corny cringe lines. No greater questions to debate.
3)making Batman kill people made him not really Batman.
4)justice league sexualized Wonder Woman in a way that Wonder Woman movie avoided purposefully
5)”save Martha” and the whole “ok we’re friends now” bs
6)over dramatization of Superman / piano moments in all movies
7)bad guys sucked with no intriguing aspects to them.
8)lex Luther was annoying and felt acted
9)aqua man was super freakin lame, and that truth rope scene was cringe.
“...Is that enough, should I keep going?” - tobey(from the office)
Paul Charters Paul Charters enjoyed the post! I hear what your saying the piano wasn’t always bad the first Superman did it best, and I did actually like afleck as Batman, just didn’t like what they did with him. Either way, hoping they get better but doesn’t look good lol👍
But If you read the origins in the comics of the characters almost the 70% of the Marvel characters has been a copy from DC cmon.....
@@sinestrokorugar1134
Ya but somehow the MCU made it better.
@@sinestrokorugar1134" almost the 70%"
That sounds very scientific.
Yes HeatleyBros It was sickening when they decided to have Batman kill people. The whole DCEU is going to hell. My favorite remake over the years? Batman Begins trilogy. All three were well written, included back stories that gave us a new, fresh perspective of the Bat. Great casting such as Heath Ledger (RIP) legendary actor Morgan Freeman and Christian Bale - who took the role to a new level. I do however love the original 1989 Batman with amazing actors Michael Keaton and and Jack Nicholson (who stole the movie with his untouchable acting.)
Because they try to turn EVERY character into Batman (dark and brooding)
Yeah wonder woman, aquaman, flash, the suicide squad and others are soooo dark and brooding lol
@@Charziken909 I mean at first glance Aquaman kinda is
@@tochiokeke5478
He looks dark until he talks
I think its cos they modernised the Heros Costumes and Suits too much...Superman was okay...Batman obviously he needs it...But wonder woman Flash and Aquamans suits could have at least been more lke the comics and not so dark and Shiny
Like marvel did turned everyone into comedic Spiderman
0:37 WTF? 😂 why is he running like that
😂😂
🤣
I'm wondering the same thing. Is this how that guy runs?😳😳
The 3 million dollar mustache ✊🤣👌
I'm a DC fan not a DCEU fan.
@@iciclesquid4807 i hope they don't reboot it im really looking forward to Shazam
I used to always be defending batman. He is and has always been my favorite. But still the biggest fan of mcu.
@Chris !!! True words have never been spoken
Being a DC fan is a must, they have given us some of the greatest comics and fictional characters of all time.
Unfortunately WB is ruining DC's incredible legacy, the sooner someone worthy takes over the better.
@@iciclesquid4807 Me too.
I was with you until you said the main problem with 'Man of Steel' was the "lack of action"
Agree
More like too much unnecessary actions lool 🤣
I think they've forgotten about how much action was in the original superman movies. lol
Can't agree more
This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. That movie is bursting with action like wtf.
_Why has the DCEU gone so wrong?_
Zack Snyder: *chuckles* I'm in danger.
"the Playstation one-esque CGI" come on man, let's not carried away lol
because studio execs think they can make better movies than directors
This, thank you.
Exactly!
Basically, yeah, notice how the best DC movies (Superman, The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman) were done by directors who were given free reign and the biggest failures (Bvs, JL, SS) happened when the studios were micromanaging the films and pushing them to meet ridiculous deadlines and quotas
There was way too much Executive Meddling.
The problem is simple. Characters and stories. I know we all heard the excuses a million times. "too gloomy" "bad CGI" "not enough ____" but here's the thing, we'll forgive all of that for a good movie. And what makes a good movie is a great story with interesting characters. That's why you can go back to the original Superman. While it was cutting-edge at the time, the effects today seem quaint but a good story with interesting characters will carry a movie.
There's no substitute for that. Look at the Transformers series. The effects in that movie are top-notch. The Transformers look incredible. Young Felman would've creamed his young pants if he saw them 20 years ago. But that can't make up for the fact that the characters are practically non-existent and the story is such a convoluted mess I don't even think the people making the movies know what's going on. Sure, they can make money with action. But if you're going to create a universe, like Marvel, you can't rely on just that. People come to see Marvel movies to see their favorite characters and fall in love with new ones and see what adventures they're going on next.
Amen
Okay why wasn't it a good story? I know transformers is garbage but that doesn't mean any of these movies are in the same boat as Transformers. Tell me why the original superman is better than this one.
All of Michael Bay's movies are like that. A convoluted mess.
You should direct DC movies!
felman87 exactly! A lot can be overlooked if the characters are compelling and the story around them supports that. Bad storytelling and weak characters make it a lot easier to pick up on the other weak points.
Batman Begins and Superman Returns should’ve started the DC Cinematic Universe. Warner Brothers made a mistake not combining the two worlds together.
Both movies were one year apart from each other. Both movies were fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with fans and critics. Both movies looked and felt like they could’ve been in the same universe. Both movies brought the two most popular superheroes back on the big screen after a long hiatus.
Superman Returns referenced Gotham City. Not to mention, it grossed more money at the box office than Batman Begins whose sequels went on to hit the one billion dollar mark.
I Am Legend teased a crossover between them for May 2010. The billboard in Times Square had Bale’s Batman logo and Routh’s Superman logo merged together.
As long as the DCEU remains director driven there will be no continuity in the movies since all directors will want to do it their own way injecting their own artistic interpretations and having large egos means that they will not want to work within a framework that is established by someone else.
Simple: Warner Brothers.
why do people blame DC and not them? WB's ruined DCEU because of their studio's interference with the movies
@@BenelliAkimbo Because the most vocal group in these discussions are people that only look at the surface issues and think that's all there is to it.
@@keenanjones9142 and they don't even search further
Joker and Luthor were cast terribly.
No more so than SEVERAL heroes in MCU. Brie Larson isn't the only one.
They did made the new Joker gay.
@@Panwere36 Brie Larson is the Jar Jar Binks of the MCU.
@@livefree3869 oh my goodness, i haven't had a good laugh in so long. Thank you!
😂😂😂😂😂
Luthor yes. Joker I don't agree with. The problem I had with that character, was the relationship with Harley Quin, not the actor or his performance. Write the Joker properly and Jered Leto will do nicely with the role IMO.
It's because DC's obsession with Batman. Just think if Marvel forced Spiderman into all their movies
I think that Batman was the DCEU's equivalent to Iron Man (the millionaire with no super powers that recruits a team of superheroes). Batman finances the Hall of Justice, the HQ for the Justice League, so DC needed Batman to work if they were to stick with the source material in the comic books.
I get what you're saying but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean they have so little faith in their other characters that they have stopped making any animated movie, animated series or video game that doesn't involve Batman.
Batman is DC equivalent to Ironman and he was the first DC's character hence emphasis.
And I don't he has been over emphasized as you say.
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I think its like how ironman was the main character of the mcu
Right thats why marvel stay winning they give all their heroes a chance but dc its always Batman
Aquaman was pretty good.
Also, did you just say that *The Incredible Hulk* was better than *Iron Man 3?!* Because if so your judgement, at least in my opinion, is _way_ off
Nah, it's really better. They messed Brazil, but the rest was great
The Pamplemoussian I have explosive diarrhea that was better than iron man 3. No one should take anyone seriously who doesn’t grasp the awfulness of that train wreck movie
Other then that silly fight in the park between he and Elektra, I actually like Daredevil.
Your Highness Same!!!
Agreed.
Same here!
Same... I actually enjoyed the movie
Dude that's marvel
The writers of DCAU should've been brought on for DCEU
Yess.
Yeah!
Noooo
If that happens then Superman will be a loner prick Batman will be the focus of the movies and Wonder Woman will be a useless pawn outside of movies starring exclusively her....you know what it wouldn't make much of a diffrence character wise so go for it.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Just because the writers would be same doesn't mean the storyline too would be....
The plotline of DCAU was written to suit the series format that the show was following. I'm pretty sure that such mature writers would be able to write the script of Live Action movies...
Moreover although the DCAU had kicked off with BTAS but the JLU was centered around Superman and Batman was a part timer who chipped in the intel
Agreed..... DCAU movies are so good
Gal Gadot and Jason Momoa are perfect for their respective roles.... but by the time DC gets their crap together Gadot & Momoa will be to old for those roles.
DC needs to take their time and build the characters like Marvel did. They also need to keep the actors! It's exhausting trying to keep up with who is playing who.
Were in the ENDGAME now..... Oh sorry, wrong universe 🤷♂️
Ha ha ha ha
DC: “We don’t do that here.”
Piss off
@@BadGamer40 why so mad?
Only real communist...I mean DC supporters allowed here
I agree with Screen Rant -Superman should not be that dark. Superman like Captain America should be beacon of heroic ideals rather than a brooding man. The whole point was to contrast with Batman rather than 2 depressing heroes butting head, which BvS ended up being. And BvS had sloppy writing. Clark Kent works at a newspaper, and he does not know Bruce Wayne? Especially since they wrote Metropolis and Gotham to be neighboring cities. Really? I don't agree with Zack Snyder's direction and style, but he and his team does good casting with Gal Gadot and Ben Affleck. And I totally agree that studio carry most of the blame. MCU took years to get to where they are. Warner Brothers wanted to cash in without doing the work. As they say, learn to walk before you try to run; else, you fall in your face, which DC did.
Superman and batman should be dark like MOS and Dark Knight. I love the darker tone, but the problem has been the storytelling. The other characters shouldnt be dark. I hated superman and batman in JL, it was terrible!!
Snyder tried to copy Nolan's darker, more grounded tone, but tying up with his subpar storytelling. It felt like a mixed bag of styles with some forced humor in JL. Patty Jenkins on the other hand was more in the element with the superhero Wonder Woman and that's why it stood above the rest
Superman should NOT be DARK. Those that prefer him that way don't understand what the character embodies/represents, as Screen Rant CLEARLY does. THAT, along with some less than perfect casting choices of other major players led them down the spiral staircase. I REALLY expect MORE from the original creations of the genre.
Yet Aquaman just broke the Atom advance ticket sales record set by Infinity War....a film that took 10 years , 20 films and 15+ so called heroes....ha ha ha ha.....put a sock in it MCU fanboy.
Patty also probably got paid a lot less than Zack -less pressure. But I think more importantly, Wonder Woman was set in the past. Warner studio has less leverage to mess it up the movie in their effort to create their DC movie empire like how they messed with Batman vs Superman.
Originally Snyder had plans 5 origin movies before Justice League. But Warner Bros being idiots rushed it and cut his plan and then blamed Zack. Warner Bros need to stop the rush and let the directors have freedom and go along with Zacks vision. In my opinion DC has always been dark, I dont care what people complain about the tone. Warner Bros are to blame. I think BvS was underated and rushed yes, only because WB rushed Zack.
Alvin Jose THANK YOU!!! People forget the Execs are the ones who rush it and change a lot of the writing
Facts bro 💯
Yea, Joss Whedon ruined JL. People either don't know or forget that WB also got involved with SS and in turn ruined that as well. The bubble-headed henchmen were supposed to be parademons, and the big bad in the movie was supposed to be Steppenwolf. David Ayer has even said in tweets that the movie was a train wreck and not the movie he made. Zack had a great franchise going, and he's a huge fan of the characters so he would've done them justice, Execs saw MARVEL raking in money and just wanted a carbon copy. It's a shame that WB couldn't see beyond the bottom line and the skewed (IMO) rotten tomatoes scores to let Snyder finish his amazing vision.
Why is it always bad directors movies which get ruined by wb?......You don't see the same happen with good directors like patty jenkins, Nolan.Or, It has to do with hack snyder who has never directed a good movie in his life.
j.k. 123 I disagree, IMO man of steel was brilliant. Yeah people always have different tastes but for me Snyder did it right. Then we have BvS which in my opinion was epic minus the the doomsday part which again was put in by WB to catch up with marvel. If anything Zack knows direction pretty well and his fight scenes.... look at the epic batman warehouse scene it was insane. Everyone’s so hooked up with marvel and trying to copy or get with it, where as zack’s vision is perfect for DC. It’s dark, brutal and cold. Just like DC always has been.
The problem is that the DCEU keeps reacting to the MCU. They missed the train when the MCU launched and have desperately played catch-up ever since without ever holding their breath to really build their own universe or think about their overall roadmap, like Marvel did. And that is why the movies feel rushed and without an identity of their own. Everything else follows from that.
Affleck was an amazingly accurate version of an older Batman which was great. The only problem was that he was written into the movie the in the best way.
Ezra Miller's Flash was not hugely entertaining. He was annoying as hell.
And what's with how he looks running?
They should have incorporated the tv series flash, the reverse of what they did with agent coulson in the mcu. Instead of giving a popular movie character his own tv show, give a popular tv character his own movie role. I know i for 1 would have been exceptionally more thrilled to watch it than watching this impostor flash...
@@maxnaz47 that's exactly where they keep going wrong, they keep changing the actor we like and wonder why were un happy, case and point batman vs superman would of been a hit if Christian bale was batman
MAXNAZ 47 hell nah iris goin be in movie also😅
@@secretrarecollctbles1892 its not just the actor, he was just too silly to be any version of the Flash. His lines, his lame jokes, the fact that he is scared of criminals turned everyone off. The best thing from Justice League other than WW and Aquaman was Cyborg imo. The fact that Lex Luthor was garbage made it even worse, meth head Lex is what we got.
Simple Answer for why the DCEU went wrong, is they don't understand their own characters!
It's still unfathomable that DCEU can be so average when the DC Animated Universe is so good.
You nailed it
Just yes. Yes to this entire comment.
That's what happens when you don't have producers that actually read comic books or go into anal detail of the characters. This is where you see how much the Director cares about what he's making. Justice League that we got was clearly a product to try and match the Marvel franchise success and it got rushed instead of giving it time. Marvel had Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk and Black Panther all before making the first Avengers Movie, and all of those individual films were a success. DC made Green Lantern (A CGI disaster, which only had a brief appearance in the battle scene), the Batman Trilogy was a masterpiece and directed by an actual master in Christopher Nolan, Man of Steel was great and that's pretty much it. We only get Superman and Batman again until Wonder Woman sort of saves DC for about 5 months until Justice League covers it in gasoline and throws a match on it while Marvel laughs in the background. Marvel had a vision of all the movies eventually leading towards Infinity War while the DC movies were all just individual pieces, some horrible, some great. And if Aquaman shits the bed like Justice League did, then it's pretty much donezo for DC. They would have to start over and reboot the entire franchise. Personally I think all the leading characters she have had their own movie before making Justice League. It was rushed like hell.
DC Should give up....they will never catch Marvel.
I think it’s right that Snyder fundamentally doesn’t understand Batman; he seems to actually have contempt for Superman, which never bodes well.
I feel like the only way for DCEU to Come even half way to the MCU is...
To restart the whole universe except for Wonder women and recast
But that also might be boring since we've seen these origin character stories...Too much
When you accidently cast the wrong actor to play a bad incarnation of the joker.
I'm just gonna say this once. Because of this channel, I now *HATE* the word titular.
How do you feel about eponymous?
They did not have someone like Kevin Feige.
Even if they have, it's the greedy ass suits have the final say, not the people who truly cared about the quality of the products.
@@yeongvinsheng7639 Which is exactly why they don’t have someone like Kevin Feige. Feige has been able to keep the MCU together b/c he hasn’t been replaced by a new Kevin Feige every 18 months.
Lately, DC has struggled with the big live-action movies while Marvel can do no wrong with the MCU right now. Marvel seems to be in its prime at the moment with the big live actions movies, but DC seemed to have used up most of its magic in the DCAU - things like Batman Mask Of The Phantasm will always be amongst DC's greatest movies ever, live action or animated
DC: *Makes few standalone films.*
Marvel: “We don’t do that here.”
That's called backstory.
BvS ain't that bad as critics say and WW ain't that good as critics say... SQ is even worse than critics say...
SQ?
blockycoolgold Suicide Squad maybe? Was wondering myself
@@chrishandsome4267 that's what I was also thinking, but hey, who cares lol
Tobe Doss I agree with most of your points
I totally agree ! lol
because WB don't understand the characters of DC to make them worthwhile
In all honesty
I used to like the dceu then i saw iron man and realised how bad quality alot of the movies are, now i'm a hardcore marvel fan and i actually hate the dceu, not the actors, just the actual movies.
What bugs me most about the DC movie choices is that DC in comics has fantastic villains and they just don't get used, I've never read a Batman comic for Batman.
DCEU lacks a long term plot line. MCU has a plot line it called Infinity War they have building it since the first Captain America movie.
DC/Warner Bros. Did take Marvel seriously because after the avengers movie they didn’t have any direction either their franchises.
Rob Moutoux There was a plot line but they ruined it in JL
DCEU has so much more to offer. They have Unique charaters, and yet they try to copy the MCU plotline. Darksied should not be a thanos but more like a challenge.
Plot was to introduce Superman and his experience until darksied finale. Man of Steel, BvS, Superman 2, justice league 2, flashpoint but WB got crazy and scrapped after the theatrical release. the sales of ultimate edition was way better and tighter story structure and clear up plot holes
There is a plotline dumbass.
This why love the MCU they have everything planned in place , DCEU is just rushing they need to take there time. And RIP STANLEE thank for all your cameos and movies.
No they dont.
Civil war wasn't even going to happen until Justice League was announced
Makhi Watson their*
@@Charziken909 yes it was, just later, but your DCEU had to brag that it was better than the MCU, so MCU said game on and dragged Civil War sooner😎
@@JynessaSwann MCU got left with hell lot of story and movies lined up enough for 10 more years, why do they need to worry about DC
@@JynessaSwann
Thanks for confirming that Marvel doesn't have everything planned, things change all the time
Apart from Christian Bale as Batman, when did DC get it so right? - the day they hired James Gunn. I'm gutted he won't be doing GoTG 3, but I can't wait to see what he does with DC.
The motivation of movie goers and filmmakers often coincide. The motivation of the studios often don’t coincide with them. Filmmakers and audiences want great movies.
The so-called studios - we should probably call them venture capital at this point - just want a steady stream of as much money as possible. The quality of movies is often beside the point.
DC and Marvel remind me of the Monday Night Pro Wrestling Wars. We all know what happened to WCW.
And that killed wrestling almost totally. RAW's ratings are lower now than Nitro's at any point.
@@julesbadguy5878 the ineptitude in creativity is so glaring that it's painful.
Brad Gaines, that's incorrect. DC comics still sell better than Marvel comics
@@primordialfireballproducti899 so they should stop making movies and kill the DCEU
Ya know just like the joker
one simple reason, they need their own studio.
They have their studio, it's a division of WB, Just like marvel is a division of Disney. Not only that, but Marvel was able to create their universe, without owning the rights to many of their most beloved characters. X-Men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Dr Doom. Yet they were able to use lesser known characters, like The GoG, Black Panther, and Doctor Strange and make them household names. DC owns the rights to 3 of the most iconic superheroes of all time, as well as rest of their characters, given that they didn't have to sell any of theirs, due to money concerns, like Marvel. So, they just suck at casting, and storytelling.
@@shadysif6220 Wrong!!! DC does not have their own production studio. Since the 70s, DC is just another ip owned by Warner Bros. Who also own Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings etc. Marvel created their own independent studio when they went bankrupt. Disney purchased it years later.
@@chrisporter6812
The MCU, was purchased by Disney after the first Ironman Film, was made. You know the same Disney that owns, the the rights to such franchises like, Toy Story, Cars, The Jungle Book, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Star Wars. Of the all current MCU heroes please name how many critically and commercially successful films, were made before Kevin Feige, Disney's hire? 0, Spiderman was owned by Sony, and still is, but Marvel managed to work a deal to use the character, the Hulk is owned by Universal, again Marvel worked a deal to work him into their films as well. All this was done after they were purchased by Disney. And in case you didn't know. When a company purchases an asset like Marvel, they determine the new direction the acquired company goes in, which usually means the old staff is fired. Finally, the same studio made the Dark Knight Trilogy I didn't hear any complaints than. But now their movies are garbage I hear tired excuses. For the record, I was George Reeves Superman fan, an Adam West Batman fan, I loved all 4 Christopher Reeves Superman films even, yes even the bad ones, I grew up watching the Super friends, loved the idea of Wonder Woman's invisible jet. Loved Linda Carter in the WW show. Michael Keaton's Batman, was one of the first films saw in the theater and owned as a kid, saw every 90's Batman, Kilmer and Clooney. Adored Batman the animated series. The adventures of Superman. Lois and Clark, Justice League, and JLU unlimited, Batman Beyond, and every animated film, DC has released thus far. Point being. I was a bigger DC fan than Marvel, and I've forgotten more about their cinematic and or television filmography, than most of their modern apologist will ever know. But I won't make weak excuses when someone tries to sell a garbage product. Feel free to attempt, to not sound hypocritical, given, that DC had a successful cinematic formula, when Marvel was failing or barely treading water, and DC garnered praise. Yet now that Marvel is successful, and DC is a joke. It's because poor DC doesn't have it's own studio, and Marvel, which is owned by Disney, somehow, still does, even though, they don't. Thank you, I needed a good laugh.
@@shadysif6220 Fam, what are you talking about? That entire wall of text you just typed had literally nothing to do with my comment or the original comment we both responded too
Here's the point, Marvel didn't have the iconic star power of Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman to build a universe on. So they had to use characters like Iron Man, who was an unknown to many non comic book fans. So they had to find a skilled actor, who could set the tone, and carry the narrative. RDJ killed it. The rest is history. DC relied almost exclusively on IP. That's why their movies suck, I don't care about their characters, because they didn't give me a reason to care. DC doesn't need their own studio, they need one head, like Feige, with a vision. They gave Snyder, who's great at bringing comic book panels to life, creative control. Like he was Nolan. Which he's not. They gave the keys to the kingdom, to someone not adept at storytelling, or casting. The two things, Marvel has consistently used to draw non comic fans to their films. That's the reality.
Will smith plays every character in every movie he is in as "Will Smith"
They had the perfect set up to make and exceptional universe if they would just have continued from the foundation of Dark Knight Tril. I will never understand that why they didn't do that. Would have been freakin awesome.
Love the channel guys keep up the good work and this video is very true.
Us: How many videos talking bad about dc you make?
ScreenRant: Not enough
lilGerke Screen Rant is trying to get views and they know how and they might even make a video about praising the MCU next who knows
Truth hurts?
Not surprised since they're not bashful dceu haters
DCEU deserves it. People keep giving them second chances despite relesing trash one after another,
@@TheRishijoesanu they're not trash
It took the director of the hangover movies to make a great DC movie.
i think you nailed the problem... it can take a cue from marvel in recognizing structure as a plus and if mahada can reign in the recklessness it can actually use the past mistakes to the franchises' benefit... it can all 'start to make sense' instead of marvel's having to keep fresh because it already makes sense
The Dark Knight trilogy is why the DCEU is in the state that it's in. Every movie after try to to mimic is dark and gritty style which doesn't mesh with most of the characters.
No, it's not. It has nothing to do with the failure of the DCEU. The failure of the DCEU is not tonal; it's internal. It's because the movies that were made weren't thought of as one coherent story that can exist on its own. If the DCEU actually was like The Dark Knight trilogy, we would have a much better set of movies, because The Dark Knight trilogy was a self-contained series of films that did not rely on franchise-building as its main intent. The DCEU failed because it tried to be like the MCU, and it's a fact. Most bad things from the DCEU came from it trying to be like the MCU.
i agree most wholeheartedly
@@antona.1327 I think saying the Dark Knight trilogy has 'nothing' to do with the failure of the DCEU is going too far, and I also think that tone is also part of the reason the DCEU is nowhere near as good as it should be. I agree with you that much of the DCEU's problems comes from trying to be like the MCU.
To clarify, I think TheBlackSage7's point about the Dark Knight Trilogy's dark and gritty style not meshing with many characters is accurate. Making things more realistic is fine. Look at how many MCU characters reimagine classic comic book costumes in such a way that they actually look like something you might wear (e.g. in the First Avenger once Captain America becomes active on missions, his goofy spandex-like outfit gets replaced by stuff that could conceivably be worn by someone in the military while still resembling the comic costume). Making things dark, gritty and/or downright downbeat really goes against someone whose whole shtick is optimism and hope like Superman.
That overly dour tone is one of the things that really turned me off the DCEU movies, because I felt like there's no light at the end of the tunnel. If I grew up with the DCEU's version of the Kents, then I probably would be a bitter, selfish guy who resents having to use my talents for other people. Once that asshole version of Jonathan Kent stated that it might've been better to let those school kids die so Clark could keep his secret, I knew I was in for a rough ride.
Nothing to do with tone.The issue is bad director aka hack snyder.
Superman should never be dark. That was a very bad decision. Can't they still make him light, while still being serious?
They are trying to hard to follow trends rather than just making a great super hero movie.
Because the dark knight was a money maker doesn't mean that all the other movies need to follow the same formula.
phixion. they didn't tho? If they were following trends, they'd make simple one dimensional action comedies
@@TheExecutioner21 you mean like Shazam ! It's almost like they want to be marvel.
Dc went every movie had to be dark night who cares if it goes against everything superman is.
Marvel went every character has to be star lord. Look at thor in the first two movies then compare him to thor 3 it like he's a different person
Top hat minion. definitely not against who superman is
Phixion As a dceu fan I agree
@@tophatminion.7558 To be fair, Shazam has always being a light- Hearted, funny comic book superhero. I think the tone of the movie as seen in the trailers is perfect for the character.
i'd just like to pause and say-
GREAT VIDEO guys 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Fantastic breakdown!
Well, watching this after Aqua-man and Shazam were released, I can say that both movies were exceptionally good and fun. So I guess there is hope for dc in the long run.
The problem that DCEU faced was they started off when fans were into the Dark Knight trilogy(grounded to reality)...but that was Nolanverse so it's okay...but DC movies in general CAN'T adopt that formula
Secondly they started off when the rival franchise MCU was booming with their powerful movies and new promising characters...so they had to rush with their stories and do whatever it takes to grab the attention of comic fans...or else the MCU would have overshadowed them
In my opinion they should think about rebooting the universe by building their characters like MCU did...now is the best time as the big guns of MCU are about to go
its Warners Bros own damn fault. they has scripts of Justice League shelved for years and didn't do squat with them. Given the library of DC characters they still just leaned on Batman for years.
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@@trembledust6819 Agreed. They always seem to turn to batman.
For me, the biggest difference between DC and Marvel Movies is that I'm always happy watch Marvel movies over and over again, whereas even with the best DC Movies, I've only watched them a couple of times and even then just in segments because they're just too heavy, grey and negative. I want to feel uplifted and given a feeling of hope, even though it's fantasy. And surely that's the whole point of a fantasy universe ...
You could not be more right. I feel that way about the MCU too. The DCEU really needs to lighten up more. I guess we need another hit like Wonder Woman.
My thing is the DC animated movies smash the DCEU movies in quality, story etc.
I'm the exact opposite. It's why the Marvel movies are utterly boring to me. They're basically copy-paste the same movie too.
So you're seriously going to tell me that you go back and watch Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 every year?
@@CheapSushi I agree with your comment when it came to Black Panther which was quite poor but the difference between say Iron Man 1 and Guardians of the Galaxy is incredible!
I would love to see the Batman/Judge Dredd crossover comics be released as a series of movies.
I loved the man of steel theme and and Grim and Dark look it made me sync and feel the story.
Otherwise if it saturated with colours and hope and happy it would feel as you're watching Disney Princess cartoon.
They skipped over the Batman origin and yet we still got unnecessary scenes depicting it.
Atleast they did something unlike Spiderman's origin
What unnecessary scenes?
You know Batman's origin like 6 times with every version of Batman Burton- Nolans? You want to the whole thing again? You that lost?
Uni 97 It showed his parents die in the beginning to show that’s how he became Batman and how helpless felt. Then right after that it a shows a retired Batman watching people he can’t save die and feeling helpless again so in that sense he’s becoming Batman again to stop not criminals but Superman. You the only one lost boi lol
@@KamKenobi you're barling up the wrong tree. Im responding to the main question stay in your lane.
I want MOS2 ...dont care abt anything elae
Wait is Henry cavill back as Superman because i hope so
He was never gone
@@Stockfish1511 I wish you were right
NOBLE CHILLS Come to my channel to talk about movies whenever you like! god knows your opinions wasted on these arseholes!
Dude had a stroke at the end of that sentence😂😂😂
DC animated series are great (TV series like Young Justice included) so why not bring those to real life?
They should really just take inspiration from your old projects it's not like you're just copying them they should just put things that people like on the big screen
I can't wait until two months so I can watch the Justice League Snyder cut because it's 2021 right now
I think aquaman is going to be good
It's basically a black panther copy it looks Shite
@@goldvoltage9053 that's a lie and you know it
GOLD VOLTAGE i agree
same
@@goldvoltage9053 Bro they are not coping Black Panther, they are using the Throne of Atlantis Comic Book story arc for inspiration for they movie, you can see the movie is full of nods and references to the storyline and to the first 25 issues of Aquaman New 52
This guy forgot Black Lightning!!!! 😡😡😡😡
Black lightning that work💪
studio interference in films often results in reshoots messy editing and awkward shifts in tone..It took Ridley Scott many years and new technology to finally give everyone the Blade Runner that originally envisioned
Eisenbergs portrayal of Lex Luthor made me think that he was arrested, spent a few years in prison before being released, changing his name, going to Harvard and starting Facebook.
Aquaman actually looks good so far.
Probably won't be as great as Wonder Woman, but it looks decent.
I agree, I think there may still be hope for the DCEU.
Also WW84
WTF is a shazam? Lol
Also.... Suicide Squad 2.
They got rid of Clarks personality which is separate from Supermans and turned him into a brooding person. That only works for Batman. It threw the whole thing off.
It did for people that wanted a cheesy Superman
Where did they do that? Superman is Clark, and Clark is Superman. The Clark to which you're referring to is a goofy caricature that was never intended to be Clark's character. It's just something that came and went. Read any modern comics. The real Clark Kent is the guy that always has a burden on his shoulders.
@@antona.1327 Modern day comics killed off the new 52 Superman and brought back the Pre crisis Superman for this very reason. What I'm referring to has not come and gone. It's a staple of Supermans Identity. For Superman things are reversed. Superman is his true identity and Clark is the costume he shows the world.
@@antona.1327 The Clark Kent you refer to IS the DEFINITIVE incarnation of the character first introduced in Action Comics back in 19 thirty-what? David Carradine gave a near perfect analysis of Superman's alter-ego in the film "Kill Bill 2". Although I do really like the depiction portrayed in the old animated series, that still does nothing to diminish the Christopher Reeve portrayal, which is 100% SPOT ON.☝️
@@christopher1133, that version of Clark existed before the New 52 happened. Read the New Krypton event, or Godfall. They have a conflicted and brooding Clark Kent.
Just to start: it's not DC it's Warner. That's the greatest differential to Marvel. Marvel Studios made the first movies and even after the company had been sold to Disney the same people keeps control of the productions. People who know Marvel characters. To me Warner started it wrong by choosing Snyder and put him in charge of all DCEU. Snyder clearly didn't understand Superman and other DC characters. Not to mention the interfering of Warner executives.
Agreed. Doing action scenes Snyder is great but character dev...no. BvS made no sense to me. The motivation for Bats to kill Supes I just didn't get. For as smart as Batman is shown to be in the comics it made next to know sense why he was targeting Supes and putting all the blame on Supes. It was like he was jealous. Totally inaccurate interpretation of the character imo.
I think they should fire Snyder and get back Nolan he would make the DCEU amazing
this makes me really sad,, these heroes (and villains, of course) deserved so much more.
I don't like the arrowverse, the plot is all over the place getting twisted shredded and glued back together and the characters are an emotional train wreck with their friends loving them and hating them back and forth, after a while the shows became too cringeworthy for me to watch.
Also, CW look as though they are just ticking boxes. Especially with the whole MeToo thing. Where men are seen as wimps and the women are far superior. Just look at what they did to Superman in Elseworlds.
@Adam S that's funny
These characters are more famous than most religious figures..........HOW. DO. YOU. MESS. UP. THE. JUSTICE. LEAGUE?!?!?!!? smh
What made the DCEU very interesting with the first two movies is that it explored how could the world react to superheroes (especially with bvs) which is a question that the MCU rushed in the first part of civil war, 8 years after their first movie. The DCEU was promoting a very more realistic version of superheroes that could allow to more identify ourselves with the world described in their movies, in opposite to the MCU. Batman V Superman was not a universally hated motion picture, it's just that it divided a lot of people. In opposite to the MCU where the ratings are pretty homogeneous, a movie like Batman v Superman which divides critics is more interesting to debate on because of the many risks that Snyder and the screenwriters have taken to lead this movie (making a dark version of superman, etc). I think that a movie which divides point of views is much more interesting to study than a movie that just makes the majority appreciate it and then forget it a few weeks later (as for example the MCU; but there are some exceptions like Avengers, Iron Man which are unforgettable).
Great documentary and seems objectively focused on the DCEU. One critique, though, is the awful volume mix. I have a good volume listening to the narration and suddenly a boom of special FX in transition blasts my ears. It’s like watching an 80’s action movie where the characters are talking and then your TV almost explodes from the following action scene’s volume. But that’s all. Thanks for your work!
Wonder woman was average. I don't understand DC's obsession with Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad. She has no power. No fighting skills unless Hollywood says so and she only has a clown hammer. Just a ridiculous character that should have been a psychotic sidekick next to Joker and not on a team of super powered characters.
She was always a good fighter since her intrduction on Batman the animated series, not a top tier martial artist but decent enough. And many members of the Suicide Squad don't have powers in the comics, and others in the film.
I get what you're saying. But to say you don't see DC's obsession with a big breasted skimpily clad thin female is a bit naive, don't ya think?
Exactly. She's hot. It's cool to see her in live-action.
Bill Delgado lol you must not know anything about Harley quin she has has always been an amazing fighter
Bill Delgado you should go back and read her comics and see why your opinion is a little biased and wrong
19:12 But iron man 3 was great its iron man 2 that was bad
And also you forgot about the incredible hulk
A-list actors, Great source materials, but terrible directors/writers really dooms not only the movies but the WB budget.
Wheras Marvell focuses first on a script/director and THEN gets up-and-coming actors to make a name for themselves.
Like, the DCU does does things ass-backwards and it murdered their budget. This is why you don't let marketing run the initial production.
Tell me one A-list worthy Affleck movie?
@@acecomix Will Smith, Henry Cavill, Margo Robbie, and probably Jack Courtney are A list actors.
@@griffionwyvrus9063 1 Cavill isn't.
2 actors do not make the movie if it did than every 'Will Smith' movie would be an A
the shot of batman landing in the beginning is so funny