Food and Faith: 4 - The Shocking Truth about Sacred Food
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- In Part 4 of my conversation with Devdutt Pattanaik, we explore the fascinating interplay between the sacredness and profanity of food in India
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Love the episode. Thank you Mr Ashok for the amazing episode, wish it went at least for an 1 hour
Thank you! THe full interview is almost 2 hours long, but to make it more widely accessible, Ive divided it into smaller videos
@krishashok great, thanks for the response. I'll check the other parts.
Do post them as a Playlist as well. Helps the new comers to the channel.
We are waiting for the full length 2hr long interview...I just love your collab...
Wow two people I loved reading... Not literally thought!
How Devdutt Pattanaik balances religion and science is amazing and never hesitates to call out bs 😂 Thank you for these videos. Really enjoy them
Thank you!
Pattanyak even doesnot know what is actual meaning of religion and science ..I challenge
But isn't religion itself bs 😂
Loved this video.. now I can relate why people who clean this society need some intoxication to tolerate the stench and why same intoxicating stuff is offered to lord shiva..thanks for the video..
Thank you
It's multiple roads and not multiple floors. What a quote!
Lovely conversation! India is for diversity, not division, it’s multiple roads and not multiple floors - very well articulated 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you!
"It's multiple roads, not multiple floors". Brilliant coinage!
Hehe
Hierarchy arrives only when there’s ego, ego arises when the time has come for collapse nd rearrangement.
This is the best video I have seen from this channel. Full of wise one liners!
Wow! I really enjoyed your video sir,at the same time came to know many things which i used to believe blindly(nonsense). Now it all makes sense. Will be waiting for your next video.
Thank you
Respect for DP. His ability to balance faith& science
Enjoyed watching this vlog. Reaffirms my opinion that Open minds can open minds if minds are willing to be opened. Thank you, Mr. Krishashok.
3.26.. Sir I don’t know the person you are taking to but he uses “india is the only country…” .. wherever this statement comes I feel it’s wrong whether it shows India in good or bad light .. nobody can make that statement ever .. infact this guest is typecasting in that sentence.. besides how do you know no other country is like that ? I have seen people not treated well due to same reasons in the western countries..
It’s important to educate but don’t typecast
Also don’t call everything is caste .. seems like agenda driven comments from the guest
What a beautiful conversation! Absolutely loved the topic.
Great conversation.
I must admit, grat video and great visuals peppered throughout the discussion helped me put words into visual context
What an absolutely brilliant video!!!
thank you!
I feel religion is a hindrance to understand science for many people. Science has a beauty & its self-correcting also. I often meet people who vilify science without looking on any example on generation of work & gratitude for present day, Science brought it.
It doesn’t have to be though, and I do think India has a cultural history that allows for that coexistence but of course modernity, recent history, politics and social media get in the way
@@krishashok I agree. The main problem seems to have come from Religion being used as a weapon by politicians.
This is one of the best collaboration.. talk logic.. talk sense
Thank you!
Every single video appears convincing. Great job!
I always thought Devdutt Pattanaik to be exactly like the thoughts he is debunking. Without knowing him better of course. Thanks for these episodes. He is one of my favorites now.
Just reading your book
While describing the method to make idli/dosa batter you suggest to make idlis on days 1/2 and dosas on days 3/4
Did you mean from the same batter, ie, same recipe
Appreciate if you could clarify
This was excellent 🎉🎉🎉
wow... wish i could explain this to my parents
Sir please make a detailed video on multivitamin
Nice information
Thanks
Fab stuff! 🎉 Please continue.
Thanks for another amazing video ❤
Fabulous 🎉
Thank you
As always totally enjoyed your content
Totally agree with your views
You just bring in simple common sense and logic
What's with the educated Hindus, these days? Anything 'unpalatable' to them and militates against their blind beliefs becomes impure and unholy, even, if you quote from the epic Mahabharata, where, none other than the wisest of them all, Yudhisthira, recommends offering beef to the pitr, in Mahabharata.
It's 'either my way or the high way' pandemic that's afflicting an entire generation. They would want an universal gag on any exchange if ideas, if it does not suit their fragile sentiments.
And, I don't find anything, even remotely, insulting to any particular community or creed in the scholarly exchange of views by these two gentlemen. If the critics of their views have anything substantial to disprove their statements with evidence, they should come out with it, instead of displaying baseless contempt.
Two great minds! What a pleasure to hear you both. I wonder how would a dinner party look like if you two host it :D
Hehe
Loved the episode 👌
Sir , I am a vegetarian (milk & eggs included- I don't know what to call myself 😅) . I chose to be one at a young age... I don't exactly know why , maybe because we used to raise goats , cows & chicken at home ... Now after 15 years I don't feel like going back to non vegetarian food BUT there are so many videos floating around pointing at the deficiency & risk of vegetarianism & veganism .Please make a make a video on all the issues regarding vegetarianism (& veganism if possible) and how to overcome it practicaly (& economically 😁)
Great convo , seemed like you guys could effortlessly go on for hours .. being brought up in an orthodox household, my key take away is "many roads not many floors" ..
I got introduced to Devdutt via his 'business sutra' book about a decade back and was intrigued by his take on western (European), eastern (Chinese) and Indian philosophies (this was when Simon Sinek was edifying about the why/what/how principles). Even now in this clip, his takes were interesting to listen to.
Why can't this conversation be an hour long?
Can anyone please help with identifying what is the molecule depicted on the T-shirt?
Caffeine molecule ☕️
Is food differentiation based on ability of people to digest some types and that which cannot be digested is referred as tamasik, rajsik
Hey Krish, please do upload the whole 2hr long episode too :) I would love to listen to the entire thing, like how did you guys reach on this specific topic and from where?
The only time our left hand that cleans our body's waste and right hand that eats food come together is when we pray; for Iraiva/gods and goddesses everything is same and equal. Nothing is discriminated.
❤ awesome
Excellent from both....
Thanks a lot
🤣 I still laugh everytime when they say someone prefers Satvik food & skips onions & garlics😂.
I can’t imagine my food without onions, garlic & ginger… and I’m more calm & composed than all those pseudo-Satviks😅
Yes,I hit the like button before watching 👍 because I am sure that its going to be very
informative as usual.🙏 Thank you Krish😊
I have a request Krish, please make a video on fasting lifestyle in detail.I heard a lot about fasting from Dr.Mindy and Dr. Jason Fung but I want to know what is fact about from you.
How rational folks debate 🎉
Please bring the other parts quickly. It has come after a very long time. By this speed it may take a decade to cover
Is it even a conversation if both switch the context every 5 seconds ? These guys seem to have a short attention span issue
1:29 KrishAshok Jujutsu Kaisen fan Confirmed!!!!! 😆
Why no Ayurvedic doctor.
If this is episode 4, where are other 3? I see just episode 1 being named.
“Food & faith” - krish Ashok… there r 4
Part-1 : ua-cam.com/video/ByZMwPHQSpk/v-deo.html&pp=ygUaa3Jpc2ggYXNob2sgZm9vZCBhbmQgZmFpdGg%3D
Part-2 : ua-cam.com/video/iahKXDAd5mg/v-deo.html&pp=ygUaa3Jpc2ggYXNob2sgZm9vZCBhbmQgZmFpdGg%3D
Part-3 : ua-cam.com/video/CPvExzuhHGQ/v-deo.html&pp=ygUaa3Jpc2ggYXNob2sgZm9vZCBhbmQgZmFpdGg%3D
@@krishashok yes, found it out and watched them all! Thanks for sharing. I felt it was an edited version. Any full video available?
Tamil people still give alchohol churut (cigar) meat to muneeshwarar a version of Shiva.
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Sir please talk about Dalit food practices of India
Yes. I plan to invite an expert to speak about it
Any living thing imaginable no matter how disgusting. Simple
Devdutt patnaik has an egalitarian mindest which is commendable. But he is notorious for passing off his interpretations and opinions as fact
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So whats that chemical compound all about
Caffeine ☕️
It will be great to have a ayurvedic doctor or dietician share their experience. For all reasoning Devdutt gives he still demonstrates hate towards a particular culture. If his food habits are so great and scientific then he would be also be non assuming character. Hence what he said are just his views. Need a buddhist, a jain and ayurveda food expert as well for balanced view.
Hate towards which culture? If someone disagrees even slightly with your long held believes immediately he "hates a culture"? Which culture is he hating on?
No they don't need one. Most Ayurvedic concepts are obsolete and have no scientific evidence to back them up. It is a humoral system which no longer has any relevance in modern medicine
I'm a devotee of nourishment.
I know it must have been difficult for you to agree with Devdutt on many of the things he was peddling. However, I appreciate your patience and restraint in not opposing him outright.
I don't listen to people with the express intent of agreeing or disagreeing with them, particularly in topics that I am not an expert at.
This was a fun one. The constant “yes” while the guest was talking was a bit distracting but I enjoyed the convo nonetheless
1:22 I think science needs to be sold. Thats why there's dept called science communication.
Krish should sit nearer to mic. Even wearing noise cancelling headphones, i can't hear much
nice video
So Ma sita wanted to eat Deer meat .
Not Interested in Devdutt's opinion.AT ALL. I AM SWITCHING OFF AFTER 2 MINUTES. 3:13
It’s surprising that you state that every kind of philosophy co-existed in Indian culture. Brahmanism brutalised the counterculture and invaded those cultures before brahmanising those practices. Diversity … my foot
He is an effing clown
Malnutritions and AMR are the upcoming challenges, how aptly should the priority be conveyed to people - be it mix of science and religions
Dear Krish Ashok
I started following you because you presented a very realistic logic with a very simplified explanation in most case! ( in context of food)
Bringing Devdutt Patnaik your channels makes the whole objective Contradictory !
Humble advice
Stick to the basics & enjoy the process you love and the audience love!
We don’t need guests to love your detailed studies, analysis etc.
One misunderstanding you hold is that satwik, rajsik, tamasik is categorised based on food habits of indo-gagentic people. No, the categorisation is based on what food induces which state of mind. This was done to primarily help people on spiritual path. A spiritual person would like to avoid certain states of mind like anger, lethargy, lust, agitation, over-activeness etc. since these can distract one from persuing his/her spiritual goal.
I can assure you eating fish is absolutely great for your state of mind. And objectively so. Also garlic and onion.
@krishashok state of mind does not mean a sound mind or mental sickness. Here state of mind means lack of anger, lethargy, lust etc. which are considered as hindrances on spiritual path.
@@krishashok not for the fish though. Not sustainable for earth as well.
@@krishashok Garlic and Onion are objectively one of the natural aphrodisiacs (increase in libido/s3x drive). To someone aspiring for spiritual practices/sadhana, it would turn to be a hinderance/obstacle/distraction. That's is no brainer.
All the foods we eat affect out body as well as mind. That's just plain basic physiology.
I don't understand why you are so hell bent with superficial judgements on Ayurvedic texts, wisdom & marketing it otherwise.
@@padmanabhg many fruits and vegetables are also natural aphrodisiacs but they are considered "satvik". Your reasonings don't make any sense and are desperate attempts at trying to hang on to an outdated system of medicine losing its relevance
Devdutt Pattnaik is a guy who doesnt go over glorifying Hindu culture like it is done these days like a unified wave of Marijuana pots. He is strictly focusing on academic history while interpreting hindu mythology. RS Sharma wrote Ancient History, has similar stanve over how history should be interpreted and not glorified to an extent where people stop seeing problems in their society.
Alcohol is toxic. Period.
Wine in church?
You two are grandfathers
S E N S I B L E VIDEOS ALWAYS
T H A N K Y O U .... ❤
Don't the talk about alcohol an issue undervalued, anything that have an addictive potential eventually damages you and one of the factors in tribal regions that demerits them is their extensive alcohol addiction... There is no safe limit of alcohol, just beacuse something is not acutely toxic doesn't mean that was beneficial for a scoiety
Huge fan of Krish Ashok but these faith series are of low quality esp since it always seems to feature a eurocentric agenda guy. Request Krish to feature another candidate for a different perspective on the "Faith" angle. Also the tone of these duets somehow have a bit more smugness than usual.
Devdutt is quite strictly anti euro centric. And again, I’m happy to have anyone that is willing to engage with science. But the ones I reached out to are unwilling to have this discussion in my setting. I’m not a podcast host, so I will bring my own views and counterviews etc, and I often find religious types unwilling to engage
With Devdutt?? Seriously? You can do better, Krish.
May be it was not abandoned,but just kept marginal as they feared of things going out of control.
Yes agree totally , so much of diversity in every walk of life in our country , its just amazing ,one has to open the mind to enjoy it all .
This is a lovely video, very thought provoking. Just wanted to share two of those thoughts:
1. Is ritualised use of psychedelics comparable to ritualised use of alcohol? I know there are a lot of claimed psychological benefits for psychedelics, my question is not about the reality of those claims. My question is, does this ritualised alcohol use also have a sinilar reputation? I had always been under the impression that alcohol use was only associated with celebration, while psychedelic use supposedly heals trauma and opens your mind etc.
2. Devdutt Pattanaik made a throw away comment about nature not liking hierarchy. A somewhat different view is that humans and primates in general have a tendency towards hierarchy that must be actively fought. The anarchist podcaster Robert Evans talks about this and his thoughts on it in the podcast Behind the B*st*rds episode "The B*st*rd Manifesto". I guess my feeling is that the idea of nature not liking heirarchy can make us complacent about guarding against those tendencies, i dont mean this as a criticism.
Sir! Yeh podcast aap k mizaaj k khilaaf lag raha hai. (Sir! This podcast seems to be against your taste.)
alcoholism is a problem though??????? Addiction is a disease?????
Synthetic chemically derived alcoholism is bad
Dosage makes the toxicity
@@ripsanskrit3609 agreed
wow krish so you delete commens too huh? i posted a link to a WHO study to this comment thread and you deleted it? didn't know you were insecure like that
Iskon devotees has this superior knowledge of satvic food and i respect them and expect respect from their side too ☠️
Talking to devdutt about sacredness or anything about faith especially indian culture,indian faith(hindu) is like discussing geography with a flat earther. Bad guest choice krish garu
Huh how so?
+1 falls in the same league as some guru talking Quantum Physics or Fittuber taking science. There are a thousand better people to talk this with, Devdutt is here because of the clout maybe.
You don't agree with someone. That is fine. But please don't decide which guest I can or cannot have.
Very well answered Ashok, you earned my respect.
@@krishashok true that krish avargal. Let me clarify I am not deciding or restricting you by telling you to not have Convo with this guy. I am just stating my opinion that this guy u have chosen for this topic as it is related indic culture is a bad choice. Reading his books or discussing with him on things related to indic culture is a bad choice for anyone. People can take what I said as a caution remark instead of taking it as I am imposing my opinion on them.
Nice chat! But then pseudoscience can't b completely trusted either! Science itself doesn't nt have answers fr so many things! To quote wat Aimee Pugh bernard said "Pseudoscientific claims r confusing, they use scientific jargon to sound believable!" 🤔
Can you do an interview with
www.youtube.com/@TheLiverDoc
Will do!
He is wendy doniger agent. DP
Mr devdatt God made cow and dogs also but some people eat them but some people love them and use them for Right purpose . knife is to use cut vegetable not to kill . you r seeing everything with your superficial eye not with intellect
Its just publicity stunt
when you cut a vegetable, it also dies (it is also a living thing)
Plants have lives. Don't cut them. Drink water only and SURVIVE
Two so called experts 😂😂
"facts don't care about your feelings."
"It's multiple roads, not multiple floors."
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
If youre talking to him about debunking spiritual food and eating scientifically healthy food, even then looking at him, hes probably the last guy to know what healthy eating would be.
Meh. The self proclaimed pundit returns.
Y not.....they r far better den millions we have in r country without ny logic...