The little high school physics teacher inside all of us wants to ask if bat size would have any significant impact on a player like Corbin Carroll, who has a high bat speed, but not necessarily the reputation or results of the guys next to him in the leaderboard. Couldn’t find any listed bat weight or anything online, and I know variations in bat weight are usually +- 30% max on a major leaguer’s bat, but in a game where minor tweaks are so important, I feel like something that small could have a bigger impact than one would think. Also, I think the term sword comes from the Happy Madison film “Benchwarmers,” (…I know), where Rob Scheider (…I know)’s character criticizes David Spade (…I know)’s character’s swing, yelling “It’s not a sword!” (… I know)
definitely had my hs physics teacher in the back of my mind when bailey was explaining the max exit velocity, i wonder if the large difference in mass between bat and ball makes the bat weight more negligible in terms of its effect as a variable. additionally, totally agree about swords but would be interested in seeing if an accumulation of data would make some more correlations pop, like if a longer swing length or faster bat speed is associated with trouble holding the bat back on a check swing. also doesn’t seem to be a high impact stat in terms of tracking individual strikes that happened in at bats but it is interesting 🤓
The term sword was popularized by pitching ninja & it’s because when batters execute a ‘sword’ the ending position they’re in looks like they’re holding a sword. Where he got the term from I am unsure
Next step: bat momentum (bat mass x bat speed) and centripedal bat force (bat mass x bat velocity^2 / distance from the bat mass centre and the theoretical centre of the circle defined by the bat curve).
Nah i don’t think he’ll turn into anything. I know he’s young but he’s never gonna be a .400 obp guy or an elite power hitter. He’ll be a glove first AAAA player and nothing more
Harold Ramirez is a great example of someone who shortens his swing considerably in 2 strike counts, something that’s even been discussed a lot on Tampa bay broadcasts. Cool to see the data back this up and for Bailey to point it out!
Awesome video Bailey, I love this type of info. With all baseball stats, I wonder how big of a sample size is needed for it to "normalize". Second, I think this does not account for the weight of the players bats. E.g. Matt Olson probably swings a heavier batt than a small guy like Corbin Carrol, and thus may have higher exit velo despite a lower bat speed. Just a thought. Keep up the good work!
Morel is actually in the top 15-20 of a bunch of statcast measurements. If he was one of the better hitters in the league in a couple years I wouldn't be surprised. Do I think that will actually happen? Idk but as a Cubs fan I'll enjoy watching him develop more.
I wonder if there might be a thing where you can calculate smash factor similar to a golf swing. If there’s a consistent number, it might be possible to retroactively estimate a batters swing speed based on exit velocity.😊
To account for variation in the weight and length of bats, we could use bat momentum and centripetal bat force. Bat momentum = bat mass x bat speed. Centripetal bat force = bat mass x bat velocity^2 / distance from the bat mass centre and the theoretical centre of the circle defined by the bat curve.
For looking for impressive players with two factors (like when you looked for high fast swing rate compared to average bat speed), the graph is really easier to instantly pick out those players compared to the chart (it will just be all the people along the top slope of the graph).
Im really impressed to see Isaac Paredes sitting at 67.5mph with the 13th lowest bat speed in the league. Comparing him to the guys around him he almost seems to be an anomaly being a 30+ home run guy while in the company of guys like Jeff Mcneil, IKF, Verdugo when talking bat speed
Now that we can track the bat and the ball, I want to know some of the biggest “whiffs”, which would be the distance a swing missed the ball. What player has the highest average whiff distance? What about the lowest?
one thign that needs to be said is bat speed doesnt correlate to production, but it can correlate to slugging percentage. guys like Steven Kwan and Luis Arraez are very productive hitters, but dont have high bat speed because they hit for batting average. that is productive, and OPS can be similar to guys who hit for slugging percentage and have high bat speed with equal production
I still am curious of bat mass/hitter mass and the correlation of exit velocity off the same swing speed. Also would really love to see attack angles of each hitter (bat path in regards to pitching plane) for example KeBryan Hayes consistently slamming the ball into the dirt because of his bat path
Swords are gonna be cool as a pitcher stat. Not really helpful to say anything about the hitter but would love to line it up to see the pitchers that induce the most swords
Why does the fast swing rate use a fixed threshold? What if a slow bat speed hitter just cant reach that speed but still tries to swing hard sometimes?
Me looking at the scatterplot: "Man who's the weirdo living off by themselves in the top right. That player must either be very good or very bad" Bailey: "Look over here at Juan Soto who's off by himself in the top right. That's good" Me: "I always knew my large adult time traveling son was special"
This definitely needs to be broken down into situations batspeed. Kinda like with pitchers, you know, not every pitch is the same speed. Hitters have different styles of swings they may use depending on what they are trying to do. I'm assuming that if we looked at the batspeed on every at bat and made a scatter plot, we'd see contextual groupings. Ie., they prolly swing much harder on 3-0 than on 0-2 for example.
I think Luis Arraez being 2 mph slower than the second slowest is really interesting. The man is quite literally hitting by just turning the barrel in the zone, those videos of him in the cage are insane.
I feel like exit velo does this but better, especially cause guys mash balls without that elite bat speed. I do think it’s intriguing for pitchers, guys who are making hitters swing slower and switching up timing
whats really interesting to me is that there are some guys at the bottom of the list that are hitting for power. Like Paredes, or even Turner, MAYBE even Tyler Nevin, if you wanted to go there. Nevin hits the ball harder than most players, but is still at the bottom of the list. Interesting.
they measure 6 inches away from the head of the bat which is the sweet spot. so i assume head means end of the bat. so yes it does affect the measurement, but longer bats take more strength to swing and control
Vladi would probably be higher if his season wasn't this abnormally bad. As a cubs fan, I am not at all surprised by Morel. He is a great cleanup hitter and still very underrated
Is it abnormally bad, he’s on a better war pace that 3 of his 5 seasons and he has a higher wrc+ than 3 of his 5 seasons as well, I think that one great season as well as being a top prospect really throws people off of what his actual production has been like.
Does this track in the minor leagues at all? I would be interested in knowing Junior Caminero’s bat speed considering his 90th pct exit velo’s were like top 5 in all of baseball last season, and people have described him as having freak bat speed.
So basically Wyatt Langford with his short swing, high bat velo, and low chase and whiff rates and 98th percentile sprint speed means he's going to be early 90s Barry Bonds in a few years.
You'd think so but he can't seem to square up the ball. Also he doesn't seem to be making good swing decisions. I swear he watches more pitches down the middle and swings at more tough pitches than anybody.
@@1uckedoutI think he’ll improve rapidly with enough reps. He wasn’t even a consistent starter at Florida until his sophomore season and he breezed through the minors, so he doesn’t have as many at-bats against high-level pitching as most younger players starting out. I’m confident he’ll adjust and be a beast for years to come. So will Dylan Crews.
@@michaelstein7510 He'll probably figure it out eventually. I think it was too soon to put him on the roster though. A good spring has almost no correlation to a good season but he mashed in spring so they called him up immediately. You a rangers fan?
@@1uckedout I guess you could call me a casual Astros fan. Really I’m an LSU fan, so I’m more passionate about college baseball and follow the MLB on the side. I’ve been going to Astros games on summer vacations since I was a little kid, but the whole 2017 thing has really taken the fun out of being an Astros fan, even after winning one without scandal. It’ll just never feel the same. Wyatt Langford and Dylan Crews will both be ready to play outfield in the MLB full-time by next year, I think. They just need a bit more seasoning. They have hitting talent nobody can coach.
MLB will ask a guy to relay brand new in depth statistical concepts to fans but won't credential him for Winter meetings
MLB will give us brand new in depth statistical concepts but won't give players better uniforms than those worn by Great Britain in the 2023 WBC
@@lapotencia25 I thought they were rolling the new uniforms back
@@1uckedout Next year.
They probably credentialed his 2nd channel and he just never checked his DMs
I'm glad you were thinking the same thing as me
I just found out statcast has bat tracking now
I thought that was called sonar
Big if true
Wow you’re telling me this for the first time.
@@8BitRip 🎶Blue jean baby, L.A. Lady 🎶
Statcast is really so advanced these days it's now tracking a bunch of flying mammals, the future of baseball is officially here
You ever go out and throw small rocks to make bats dive and swoop at your own will?
@@extragoogleaccount6061 Used to do that all the time as a kid on the trampoline
All I'm getting out of this video in the first couple minutes is that Stanton is a true freak.
Uploading 5 mins before my lunch break at work. A true hero
Ayyyy main channel upload
The little high school physics teacher inside all of us wants to ask if bat size would have any significant impact on a player like Corbin Carroll, who has a high bat speed, but not necessarily the reputation or results of the guys next to him in the leaderboard. Couldn’t find any listed bat weight or anything online, and I know variations in bat weight are usually +- 30% max on a major leaguer’s bat, but in a game where minor tweaks are so important, I feel like something that small could have a bigger impact than one would think. Also, I think the term sword comes from the Happy Madison film “Benchwarmers,” (…I know), where Rob Scheider (…I know)’s character criticizes David Spade (…I know)’s character’s swing, yelling “It’s not a sword!” (… I know)
definitely had my hs physics teacher in the back of my mind when bailey was explaining the max exit velocity, i wonder if the large difference in mass between bat and ball makes the bat weight more negligible in terms of its effect as a variable. additionally, totally agree about swords but would be interested in seeing if an accumulation of data would make some more correlations pop, like if a longer swing length or faster bat speed is associated with trouble holding the bat back on a check swing. also doesn’t seem to be a high impact stat in terms of tracking individual strikes that happened in at bats but it is interesting 🤓
That would be hilarious if The Benchwarmers movie coined the term "sword", twenty years before Statcast!
The term sword was popularized by pitching ninja & it’s because when batters execute a ‘sword’ the ending position they’re in looks like they’re holding a sword. Where he got the term from I am unsure
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Next step: bat momentum (bat mass x bat speed) and centripedal bat force (bat mass x bat velocity^2 / distance from the bat mass centre and the theoretical centre of the circle defined by the bat curve).
Loving that they track Swords. Thats hilarious to me.
Maybe that young guy Juan Soto is good at baseball
Nah i don’t think he’ll turn into anything. I know he’s young but he’s never gonna be a .400 obp guy or an elite power hitter. He’ll be a glove first AAAA player and nothing more
@@RyanSmith-nw1prtook me a minute to register that u were being sarcastic💀
@@RyanSmith-nw1pr Glove first... lol
@@RyanSmith-nw1pr age 25 is a good age for a top prospect
Harold Ramirez is a great example of someone who shortens his swing considerably in 2 strike counts, something that’s even been discussed a lot on Tampa bay broadcasts. Cool to see the data back this up and for Bailey to point it out!
I just saw that article on Baseball Savant like 10 minutes ago and here you are with a video already
Bat tracking call that echolocation
Changeup the flow, pronation
Harder, better, faster, stronger made me smile.
Awesome video Bailey, I love this type of info. With all baseball stats, I wonder how big of a sample size is needed for it to "normalize". Second, I think this does not account for the weight of the players bats. E.g. Matt Olson probably swings a heavier batt than a small guy like Corbin Carrol, and thus may have higher exit velo despite a lower bat speed. Just a thought. Keep up the good work!
great point
Oh boy! The main channel! Thats how you know it's serious!
Morel is actually in the top 15-20 of a bunch of statcast measurements. If he was one of the better hitters in the league in a couple years I wouldn't be surprised. Do I think that will actually happen? Idk but as a Cubs fan I'll enjoy watching him develop more.
Love a new main channel upload during my school lunch break
Bailey, tired: I don't really see the value of the swords stat.
Me, wired: Scouting dudes for my secret samurai clan.
I’ve never been so early to a main channel vid. Truly honored
I wonder if there might be a thing where you can calculate smash factor similar to a golf swing. If there’s a consistent number, it might be possible to retroactively estimate a batters swing speed based on exit velocity.😊
Now I just wish we could see historical bat speed data. Imagine how Adam Dunn's bat speed data stacks up to that of Stanton
To account for variation in the weight and length of bats, we could use bat momentum and centripetal bat force.
Bat momentum = bat mass x bat speed.
Centripetal bat force = bat mass x bat velocity^2 / distance from the bat mass centre and the theoretical centre of the circle defined by the bat curve.
That's a great hat, Bailey. Shouldn't go unnoticed.
I eeked when I saw it too :)
Why you spending your time uploading these videos Foolish? The A's need you!
For looking for impressive players with two factors (like when you looked for high fast swing rate compared to average bat speed), the graph is really easier to instantly pick out those players compared to the chart (it will just be all the people along the top slope of the graph).
Im really impressed to see Isaac Paredes sitting at 67.5mph with the 13th lowest bat speed in the league. Comparing him to the guys around him he almost seems to be an anomaly being a 30+ home run guy while in the company of guys like Jeff Mcneil, IKF, Verdugo when talking bat speed
Finally another main channel upload
didn’t know i needed this video till i saw it
Luis Arraez at the bottom is not surprising given that he probably waits the longest among all hitters to get the most contact possible.
He's got the shortest swing
Now that we can track the bat and the ball, I want to know some of the biggest “whiffs”, which would be the distance a swing missed the ball. What player has the highest average whiff distance? What about the lowest?
they actually plan to implement that soon
Javy Baez gotta be at the top
Looks like we're going to have some new Foolish videos coming out :)
I learned something today. That Bailey, known 90s Braves slugger and legend, didn't have to swing more than 45 mph to get to his prodigious power.
Awesome vid, thank you.
one thign that needs to be said is bat speed doesnt correlate to production, but it can correlate to slugging percentage. guys like Steven Kwan and Luis Arraez are very productive hitters, but dont have high bat speed because they hit for batting average. that is productive, and OPS can be similar to guys who hit for slugging percentage and have high bat speed with equal production
I still am curious of bat mass/hitter mass and the correlation of exit velocity off the same swing speed.
Also would really love to see attack angles of each hitter (bat path in regards to pitching plane) for example KeBryan Hayes consistently slamming the ball into the dirt because of his bat path
i feel like swords drawn (which is a great way to put it) might be more fun if pitchers had that data tracked
I think a maximum bat speed leaderboard might be useful
This will change everything
Interesting stats. I think this will be most useful to track when a hitter is over the hill as I assume their bat speed will take a dive
Swords are gonna be cool as a pitcher stat. Not really helpful to say anything about the hitter but would love to line it up to see the pitchers that induce the most swords
I think it’s important to note bat size as well. To accelerate a bat that’s 36 oz. Is way different than something that’s 30 oz
Love the Daft Punk reference thank you Bailey
hell yeah just in time for my 15 minute on the clock work shit
Why does the fast swing rate use a fixed threshold? What if a slow bat speed hitter just cant reach that speed but still tries to swing hard sometimes?
I don't think there's much reason to care about how much effort a guy puts into his swing.
Me looking at the scatterplot: "Man who's the weirdo living off by themselves in the top right. That player must either be very good or very bad"
Bailey: "Look over here at Juan Soto who's off by himself in the top right. That's good"
Me: "I always knew my large adult time traveling son was special"
Wake up the goat just dropped
🔥🔥🔥 Thanks for this.
i feel like bat speed will be better than exit veloxity for predicting since its on a per (competitive)swing rate and not bip rate
Juan Soto having that bat speed with a higher contact % than arraez is insane
xSwords/9+ is the new meta stat. Or possibly a gamer handle from the early '00s.
Hey Bailey, did you hear they have bat tracking stats on savant now? They’re even tracking swords!
This definitely needs to be broken down into situations batspeed. Kinda like with pitchers, you know, not every pitch is the same speed. Hitters have different styles of swings they may use depending on what they are trying to do. I'm assuming that if we looked at the batspeed on every at bat and made a scatter plot, we'd see contextual groupings. Ie., they prolly swing much harder on 3-0 than on 0-2 for example.
This is a great feature! One question.. how many cats and or dogs sat on your hat?
Would be cool if they included the weight of the bat each player uses as well
Id like to see a correction factor for bat MOI/weight. Guys might swing the bat faster than Judge but most of them arent swinging 35/33 bats.
I think Luis Arraez being 2 mph slower than the second slowest is really interesting. The man is quite literally hitting by just turning the barrel in the zone, those videos of him in the cage are insane.
7:30 ANDY PAGES SPOTTING!!!!!! RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
let’s start the wilyer abreu ROY discussion
Pretty interesting how Harper's upward violent swing is actually not that high above average. Wonder how much faster it was in his prime.
Hearing that Statcast now has bat tracking!
I feel like exit velo does this but better, especially cause guys mash balls without that elite bat speed. I do think it’s intriguing for pitchers, guys who are making hitters swing slower and switching up timing
The angels Jo Adell who is breaking out at the perfect time is #10 currently in average bat speed.
Lol, Giancarlo swings on average 5mph faster than Ohtani, what a beast.
that javy baez swing length at 6' tall feels so long
Dan Haren called out!
Wonder what Clint Frazier’s was
Thanks for showing me that despite how good Ohtani is. Soto is quite literally the most efficient and best bat in baseball.
Shwarber with 11 swords is tremendous
someone explain mookie's well below bat speed inverse correlated with his overall slugging.
Please can we get a Lamonte Wade Jr video
wake n jake sent me here tomorrow (what)
This is all fine and good, but who do I sign that’s a free agent in may who will save my season?
I feel like a pattern will emerge with swords eventually but the sample is too small after 30ish games
Considering his exit velocity feats im shocked Shohei isnt higher
He probably swings a pretty hefty bat. That's where this leader board could be a little misleading.
what are compitive swings
Despite having the slowest bat speed, Luis Arraez has a 47.2 squared up contact %. Juan Soto is 11th place and has a 48.4 squared up contact %.
Bailey will find a way to tie William Contreras' bat speed to the Brewer's catching lab
Javy Baez having the longest swing length by far despite only being 6 feet tall is, well, not at all surprising.
Where's the info for bat weight and length?
this is me when statcast has bat tracking now
I don't know how accurate this is. I think it's more about torque. Bat speed isn't as important
whats really interesting to me is that there are some guys at the bottom of the list that are hitting for power. Like Paredes, or even Turner, MAYBE even Tyler Nevin, if you wanted to go there. Nevin hits the ball harder than most players, but is still at the bottom of the list. Interesting.
Awesome data but NGL, I'm kinda disappointed there's no easy way (yet) to see max swing speed, and for the heck of it, lowest bat speed.
Does the length of the bat affect how bat speed is measured?
they measure 6 inches away from the head of the bat which is the sweet spot. so i assume head means end of the bat.
so yes it does affect the measurement, but longer bats take more strength to swing and control
what if I can't see this video right now?
Nice Melonheads hat
Vladi would probably be higher if his season wasn't this abnormally bad.
As a cubs fan, I am not at all surprised by Morel. He is a great cleanup hitter and still very underrated
Is it abnormally bad, he’s on a better war pace that 3 of his 5 seasons and he has a higher wrc+ than 3 of his 5 seasons as well, I think that one great season as well as being a top prospect really throws people off of what his actual production has been like.
Does this track in the minor leagues at all? I would be interested in knowing Junior Caminero’s bat speed considering his 90th pct exit velo’s were like top 5 in all of baseball last season, and people have described him as having freak bat speed.
Thoughts on Josh Rojas (arguably the best hitter on the Mariners so far this season) being at the bottom of the bat speed charts?
Refer to Luis Arrez.
The defense is solid
They keep their bat in the zone longer, higher average but lower power
@@Speedster___ My point was more that Rojas has an OPS nearly 200 points higher despite their similarity
If you had to live the rest of your life with either baseball but no statistics or statistics but no baseball, which would you pick?
So basically Wyatt Langford with his short swing, high bat velo, and low chase and whiff rates and 98th percentile sprint speed means he's going to be early 90s Barry Bonds in a few years.
You'd think so but he can't seem to square up the ball. Also he doesn't seem to be making good swing decisions. I swear he watches more pitches down the middle and swings at more tough pitches than anybody.
@@1uckedoutI think he’ll improve rapidly with enough reps. He wasn’t even a consistent starter at Florida until his sophomore season and he breezed through the minors, so he doesn’t have as many at-bats against high-level pitching as most younger players starting out. I’m confident he’ll adjust and be a beast for years to come. So will Dylan Crews.
@@michaelstein7510 He'll probably figure it out eventually. I think it was too soon to put him on the roster though. A good spring has almost no correlation to a good season but he mashed in spring so they called him up immediately. You a rangers fan?
@@1uckedout I guess you could call me a casual Astros fan. Really I’m an LSU fan, so I’m more passionate about college baseball and follow the MLB on the side. I’ve been going to Astros games on summer vacations since I was a little kid, but the whole 2017 thing has really taken the fun out of being an Astros fan, even after winning one without scandal. It’ll just never feel the same.
Wyatt Langford and Dylan Crews will both be ready to play outfield in the MLB full-time by next year, I think. They just need a bit more seasoning. They have hitting talent nobody can coach.
Why did you have to do Gavin Sheets like that.
Why does it not surprise me that the leader in swords is an Angels player?
Nerds rejoice
Damn, I got here early by accident😂 Nice stuff tho
Bat speed and exit velocity have to be combined with each other when talking about breakouts.
She statcast on my bat until I uh umm idk
Woah
no way
I only make uncompetitive swings