I never expected my video to get so much attention and I'm kind of embarrassed that it did! My noob is showing xDD Thanks for being nice and explaining things without bashing me c: I learned after it blew up that there's a difference between parsing and speedrunning and I honestly didnt know (and was essentially using the word parse to mean speedrun rip xD). edit: also I would love to see those optimization guides you mentioned!
Hey! I absolutely loved the video as it put attention to something I care about and out of healers perspective even was very very enjoyable for me! Dont be embarressed at all, you discussed the topic from your point of view and if in that exact moment you didnt know any better, then so be it, no biggy. Better then never talking abou ANYTHING you are not an expert on. On your edit: Thank you for inspiring me to start working on them! I hope they will turn out helpfull. Much Thanks for the Video!
@@AqB I personally would love to learn more about optimization! Sometimes it feels a little confusing and you did a great job with your explanations in this video.
The problem is that there is no in-between parsing and casual players. Even casual players "should" be working towards optimizing a fight as they progress.... But for some reason they don't and keep repeating the same mistakes in their damage rotation without ever considering how much damage they're leaving on the table. However, your "Parse" shouldn't even be a consideration during prog or random clear groups in party finder. Too many "Parse" players are actively hurting a groups prog, or even their own because they're greeding for a Parse that no one will ever see.
I agree! No one cares about your prog Parses. The true competition starts when everybody is BiS, wich can take 4-8 Weeks depenging on if you run splits or not. It is also very unhelpfull for "Casual Players", that they dont get any feedback from the game WHATSOEVER on how good or poorly they performed. So they might not even know they are doing mistakes in their rotation. So I think thats partly the fault of how the game is designed aswell.
But damage is important during prog therefore your “parse” (damage) does matter but you don’t have to actually be parsing to do really good damage. As somebody that done a lot of party finder the biggest problem in these clear groups is actually just poor quality players messing up or people that have cleared before but are trying an alt job or role. I feel like it’s an assumption that parse obsessed players are ruining or bringing groups down unless there’s some actual data to back this up I’d have to disagree. People greed GCD’s and things all the time but it’s not always because of a parse
@@ItsSVO Those are good points aswell. Beeing greedy is fun and people do it regardless of parse or not, just to test their limits. Thats true! On if they ruin parties or not, I dont have such a strong oppinion, because I dont reclear in PF. I just help people get clears after I get my weeklys with my crew, so I dont have any valid information on that :/
This was a really interesting video to see as a sprout. I am currently on my free trial, getting interested in many aspects of the game so I am watching a lot of videos, and I gotta say, the idea of raiding is incredibly appealing to me. Whenever I manage to get into extreme trials through duty finder, I get super excited! I play as a Scholar, and I love the class! I managed to save a party wipe once at Garuda's extreme trial thanks to all the damage mitigation I got from Succor, Fey Illumination and Sacred soil, and I was so excited :)! I am a little bit relieved because I've seen this "parsing" concept so much recently, it made the whole idea of raiding a little bit intimidating. But now that I know that I can still clear content with my Scholar without having to engage in this "parsing", I definitely want to try raiding once I purchase the game! Even then, there's true to the idea of "parsing" being the most optimal way of approaching the game since it literally encourages you to become the best version of yourself as a player. That being said, if there's elitism behind this concept, and casual players have to sacrifice their enjoyment for the sake of it... I think it would be better for casual players to stay away from it!
I main SCH and personally hate trying to parse with WHM cohealer. They literally do nothing to help heal outside of 45 sec asylum and 2min Lilly bell because they use assize on CD whether it's needed for heals or not, refuse to use lillies or medica. It's very annoying to have used 2 fairy heals, seraph consolation x2, indomnibility, sacred soul and still be forced to use succor just to keep everyone alive having no resources available all to have the whm say "I need you to heal more"...like seriously stfu. I'm busting my ass using every possible resource available across 15 different buttons while they spam glare and dia.
Lillybell is 3 minutes even 😭. WHM and SCH have a Hard time getting along as all the extra healing Scholar can push is actively loosing them damage (aetherflow) so it’s a tough time :D
well assize isnt a heal... and it shouldnt be treated as such... it is an AoE DMG ability with as its healing secondary focus hence why they use it off CD
im in a static that currently progs p4s 2. static doesnt care about parses, we just look at it and laugh at greys and greens, are happy about blues and above. personally tho as a reaper i care about MY parse and aim for 80+ parses. yeah it sucks if we wipe to shit dps but the static is fun to prog and play with so who cares. at the end of the day i care most about having fun playing the game and that comes from my partners in crime and not from some numbers only i care about ^^
Yep absolutely. Its just if its fun to some people to see the numbers, thats about it. A style of playing is not better or worse than the other. Just do what you find fun and everything should be gucci.
I prefer lilies to a medica, you have more movement. I think everyone has their opinion, but which one will be correct? I did well with whm on p2s, parse 97, using my ogcd and lilys
Yes Lillies > Medica 100%. Its fine if you use them its not "Wrong". But if you want to get Top 1 or Top 50 you will compete agains people who dont use a single lilly and you will need insane crit luck to hold up to them. If you save a run by using a lilly its not the end of the world. If you want to get rid of them completely, keep an eye on where you use them frequently and ask you co healer if he can move a off global there to help you out. Getting an Orange Parse is absolutely possible with usage off lillies, but getting Top 1 or close to Top 1 might not be possible, because those players are not using a single lilly.
i’m sure you did well but i hope you realise your rdps parse number/colour on a healer is virtually meaningless by itself. i’ve seen a whm parse a 97 in p3s with a 0 in hps and green in healer combined rdps because he was just griefing his cohealer
For "Top 50" parsers as healer, you could just have your co-healer do all the healing while you never cast a healing GCD right? Does that actually happen or can you cover the damage in fights entirely with you and your co-healer's oGCDs anyway?
@@punpunch273 You can cover the entire Savage fights damage with oGCD only in most cases. Sometimes you see Scholars casting Adlo, but we even try to minimize that. What you are saying can happen, but is pretty rare, because killtime is more important then screwing your co-healer for the rest of the group. I had combined healer rank 2 parses were me and my co-healer get 99s. You dont have to screw your co-healer almost ever, if you are playing with a coordinated group.
@@aliasonarcotics Yeah griefing co-healers happens, but in the current raid Tier especially there is so little incoming damage, that you could easily solo heal every fight if it wasnt forced on us to have 2 Healers in P3S and P4S because of healer bound mechanics. It is 100% possible to get 2 healer 99s in the same run, you dont have to grief anyone at all. Especially if you join a Log-Run group, no one will let themselves be griefed upon, because everyone is chasing a high parse. Sometimes having a "bad" healer combined rdps in reclears or weekly kills is just down to the fact of gear or the other healer just not caring about his Parses. Im NOT saying griefing your co-healer DOES NOT HAPPEN! I am saying it is absolutely not neccessairy in current Savage content if everyone is Best in Slot or close to it (as most people are when Parsing/Logging)
I parse but consider myself “midcore” like, I compare myself to other players and will screw around with my openers and rotations. I read guides and consider what they say but ultimately I just play the game and have fun. Sometimes it’s fun to chase numbers sometimes I don’t care. I know I’ll never be #1 in the jobs I play but I do strives to be “good”.
It feels like the video would probably make more sense if it had three tiers: casual players who don't go into Savage, players who go into Savage but aren't necessarily focused on parsing, and then the high end parsers who do what they can to get good parses (which includes stuff like other people playing differently than they normally would so the person/people who are going for high parses can get the best possible ones). I'm just on p4s act 1 right now and am not a "parser," I do look at logs/parses for how I could be doing better and I feel the DPS loss from aetherstack healing and stuff, but in my static we're not optimizing to give anyone a specific parse (at the moment) since we're progging. Playing optimally is important, but what actual color/number I have in logs isn't my focus, especially when it comes to DPS parses as a healer.
I see your point with the title of the video, but then again it would make a worse sounding title and would be way too long 😆. I think people get unneccesairly offendend by beeing called a casual player. No one wants to be "The Casual", but the truth is 99% of the players porobably are and that is great! It keeps the game populated and alive! If the color/number doesnt matter to you, that is perfectly reasonable. It doesnt HAVE TO. There are just people who enjoy it and it matters to them, thats all 😄. Thank you so much for taking your time and commenting! ❤
The issue is just, especially for tierlists, people need to understand that context is king. If someone is a hardcore Savage raider that is just trying to clear, their tierlist is not going to apply to a hardcore speedrunner, a hardcore parser or a casual. Like what he said about WHM issues for parsers who are comparing their performance to other WHM vs a world first runner or Min iLvl raider that is just go for clears who are going to care about what each job in a role offers compared to each other. Then you have PF/DF Savage groups and casuals who are usually the ones that take tierlists that don't apply to them out of context because in an unoptimized group with strangers and no communication, jobs like DRK, SGE and DNC are going to struggle a lot more while jobs like WAR, WHM, self reliant DPS like BLM and even MCH, and rezzers are gonna be way more valued because they don't need to rely on others to get the most out of their kit or they have some carry potential because you need to assume these people you don't know may not know the encounter or may not be optimal. Context is everything when ranking jobs and even the okaystyle of those jobs.
Absolutely! You can make Tier lists in many different categories as you mentioned like: -How FUN is the Job -Speedruns -Job asthetics! -RaidProg etc. but poeple never watch through Tierlist videos they just skip to the end and screenshot without context, wich is way more harmfull then helpfull to their experience! Thank you for your in-depth comment!
I heal main in savages and basically as long as we are clearing dps checks and enrage then I dont care about my dps. Ill do it as much as possible but I'm not going to cast a dps spell when everyone needs healing just to keep a good parse.
That perfectly fine! It is a very niche thing to aim for high parses and if people dont enjoy it that is OK! Dont let yourself be told otherwise. Do what you are having fun with!
I'm am, or rather "was" a new player. Sooo anxious early on, sitting on dummy for hours to grasp what my skills even do. I joined like 2months ago and became one of those parsers(well or logger, but I mainly just enjoy rerunning and getting better). The attitude is very weird in FF. It really feels like there is no inbetween. Either you're really good and know your rota at least. Or you're absolute terrible, basically a "burden" to everybody while being somehow proud of it. I somewhere have a pic of a mountfarm where I was at around 17k with my opener as Nin and the 2nd person from 8total was at around 3,6k. And then you also can't say anything cuz it's not a thing in FF to criticize anybody. Obviously tryharding in casual content isn't the point here, but it's almost weird how both sides kinda balance themselves out. I don't have to know my job cuz ppl will carry me through anything anyway feels like a common attitude, or it's really sheer unawareness of potential damage. I'd like to see 8of casuals clearing even normal trial 2 by themselves lol, but that won't happen, so noone has to improve. I think casuals bit hate on those loggers or act users, but they're def not aware how much easier their game gets due to them.
I agree, but you dont HAVE to use Act to do a lot of damage. You can just look up "How to play..." and copie what you see and do decent. A lot of people just want loot or mounts etc and dont care at all about damage tho and thats fine to an extent aswell. Its just when damage is MISSING, that you kinda feel trapped and cant say anything.
I use to love seeing damage numbers but I realized real quick how toxic I was getting towards other players. Sometimes it's hard to remember it's a game meant to be played for fun.
You can play casually and still optimize. Playing well should be something you want to do. And as for the whole thing about PF vs Statics, I parsed 99 in a random P4N without trying to even parse. I think she is coming from the unique spot as a WHM because it’s in a shitty position so I understand that too. If they made Misery an oGCD but left the others as GCD it would at least make it worth it to use the damn thing damage wise. Or make it higher potency or crit. Playing without a job gauge is really fun lol
Yeah there are absolutely jobs like WHM or SGE Samurai Machinist etc, where the rest of your party does not matter as much or at all. If you play a rdps heavy job, it is close to impossible tho, but sure I dont think you have to be a Hardcore player to optimize!
I thought thin air changes were bad but I actually prefer it now. I also never have mp issues with whm even though I'm running a 0 piety build. My scholar seems to run out if I'm not careful about lucid and res someone. Thin air plus Lilies the whm only really have to spend mp on Glares.
Yeah but compared to every other healer it’s just less regen. If we talk high end parsing, you have lucid dreaming (which every healer has) assize and thin air (saving 400mp on a glare). Scholar regenerates with aetherflow and the dmg spell of aetherflow constantly, AST on every card pulled and astrodyne the new spell they have with seals and Sage gets 8% max MP on every addersgall ability. Yeah you don’t go oom but it’s a lot tighter compared to every other healer for no apparent reason 😔
@@AqB If WHM still doesn't run out of mana with 0 piety, doesn't that just mean that the other healers have too much MP to the point where you don't even need to care about it? Although I don't know if having to worry about MP would make healers more fun or interesting. And this is assuming everything is going well in the fight and you're not having to burn MP on raises and stuff, which is much less common in casual play. It seems hard to balance healers across all levels of play really!
@@punpunch273 Yeah that is a good point, actually. I mean if I miss a Lucid dreaming timing on any other healer I dont even notice it sometimes, but on WHM if I miss a usage here or there I can immidiately feel the consequences and now that I think about it I dont know what I personally prefer, BUT it should be consistent throughout all healers. My hope is we get a Piety rework at some point, to not have it be absolutely USELESS STAT and pushing it in the direction they are pushing Tenacity at the moment.
@@AqB Yeah I'm not sure which would be more 'fun' but it is odd that only 1 healer has to actually work to manage their MP. And big agree on Piety, at least make it do -anything- extra like Tenacity. As it is now it makes healer itemisation so weird as you're avoiding piety like the plague
It got better after the buffs of afflatus. Video is a bit older now. Start of EW Whitemages wouldnt use any lillies in Log-Runs, was kinda annoying. Now its obviously perfectly fine after the buffed the job.
Blood lily is a nice dopamine hit though. Also my personal gripe with parsers is there's always arguments in PF groups about strategies to use for an EX because "Better dps this way and you're a fucking idiot if you don't use it." or "This is better for melee stop being an idiot and learn to use OGCDs." "People who don't play melee are bad at this game." Or my co-healer is trying to parse an EX trial and they're doing this by *Never fucking rezzing.* I'm left to rez everyone. If multiple people make a mistake I have to swift rez one and hard cast rez 1-2 others and they won't lift a finger they'll just keep spamming their dps button. I don't hate parsers and I don't like...bash them or anything it's whatever if that's how they wanna play the game more power to them I ain't gonna stop them, but it doesn't mean it's any less annoying when it happens.
It's not just about parsing. It's also about getting the mechanics down while parsing. You can get yourself to a point where you do a TON of damage, but if you don't learn the mechanics, if you don't learn how to play well in a group, you'll never clear. That's one thing I'm hoping Square continues working on, teaching casual players' complicated mechanics early on in the game.
True, early game is too easy, and doesn't teach you everything it can, yesterday I was leveling my alt and ended up with a gladiator that literally didn't turned on his tank stance, and didn't read the chat either because I asked him 2 times to turn on his stance. Our healer was a scholar and they said something kinda funny "everyone is a DPS in low level dungeons", and it's the truth, everyone is such a DPS that I also learned new things in halatali after my healer rescued me away from the fire sprite mini-boss, I thought the challenge of this dungeons was just doing damage as fast as possible because almost nothing really mattered, I think final fantasy's early game dungeons are awesome, they'll slowly get more challenging and will introduce new mechanics gradually and when they do it won't be as harsh as something like heavensward's dungeons or even some ARR's level 50 dungeons, I just wished the game managed to teach everything it COULD as early as possible because bad habits are hard to fix
A way to get around this would be to put actual HPS checks on bosses like ticking damage for example or mini raidwides every 10s. So you need to heal constantly. Then your healing will be represented as your parse and not you mashing 1 button more than someone else.
There are some and historically have been some, but they get outgeared and ignored later on, plus so many healers have insane oGCDs now that that any healer check can be made irrelevant. Best example Deaths Toll Astrologian, one of the most obvious healing checks ever, that is skipped by a single button.
Casual players wants to playing the content just for fun, while Parsers players want to be high skill leveled to get high logs. This is already big gap inbetween skilled players due to their goal mindset is different as well. But surely casual players are not bothering much something like optimizing Regarding about WHM, the thing with WHM is in optimize scenario, you need to do less lilies usage with limited ogcd too. which is something i don't like to because my cohealer gonna to chadding me hard (SCH would be way more suffer if with WHM). I don't mind if it's just progging or anything, but for optimizing, WHM is so awful and not contribute enough to heal with very minimal ogcd. Chadding cohealer is not my mindset, lol that's why i'm playing AST/SCH/SGE and more skillful with them rather with WHM for optimizing.
Since I joined the game a year and a half ago, I played healers. Did not particularly want to, but the queues were faster. I was always very competitive when it comes to dps in all games, which made me install act. Now I have almost everything maxed out and cannot comprehend why on all jobs I barely play I do more damage than other players in DF/PF. Probably the saddest thing is that I frequently am 1-2 dps as a healer in expert roulette. The feeling I get is that a lot of people treat this game as a single player game and are disinterested in not being a burden. I've seen healers not cast a single dps skill in all content, even in savage. I've seen tanks who have no idea what mitigation is after 90 levels of content. I've seen players who claim to be mains of something doing less than dps that running trusts suddenly becomes more worth it. Obviously, SE want to be inclusive, but there has to be some way to motivate players to do well. Not do parsing runs and just greed everything possible, but to a decent enough level. I personally would like to have enrages in all content or at least all 8-man content even on normal difficulty, but that will never happen.
Yeah i see where you are coming from! Ive played this game with Friends - Strangers - even family like my little sister at one point and I liked it at low levels that nothing really mattered, like nothing enrages you dont have wipes in dungeons and there is no unneccessairy frustration. Ive had kills on extreme Diamond weapon in ShB where my co-heal had 3 dps and we still cleared. But then again I think its better for the overall health of the game to have people who enjoy that competitive side of the game enjoy it and if you dont then you just ignore it. BUT a lot of people will never know that there is such a "competitiveness", because the game tries to hide it from that players and that is what i find kinda sadge, if that makes sense!
@@AqB Yup, completely agree! Just wish there were some tools in game that would motivate to do better at least in content that is not mandatory and not everyone has to clear, or some versions of how-to similar to level 15, but at later levels!
Poor Whitemage Mains . I only played WHM in Shadowbringers 😥. I really want to do optimazation videos like that! Would you prefer fight specific guides like "P3S Healer Optimization guide" where I talk about a single fight for ALL healers or a job specific guide like "Sage/Whitemage/Astro Optimization for Savage" where i talk about a single job in general?? 🤔 Thanks for the comment!
I'm 3 minutes in (she starts talking about the lilies) and she sounds like she is about to burst into tears. Who hurt her? Who insulted the lilies so harshly that she was compelled to make a video about it?
not parsing doesn't make you a casual player. It would be similar to saying if you don't grind for relic weapons you're a casual player. Parsing should just be considered a different game mode. Parsing relies on mechanics RNG sometimes, and your other party members doing parsing strats, and your gear drops. You can be a casual player and still parse. The idea that its one or the other needs to change, cause that's where you get toxic people who don't go into parsing parties in PF and join parties just trying to get the clear, while they are parsing and dying to mechanics / killing other people due to greeding and wasting other peoples time.
Playstation saves the day. Ill try to give it my all but cant log myself. Ill Check sometimes how well i do but dont join parsing groups. All i got is the enmity numbers 🤣
i feel like the ‘oh they only say this is the worst job because they only look at parsing’ is misleading, especially for whm. look at the data for all parses at all percentiles across this raid tier. whm is the lowest dps healer AND the worst hps healer by a huge margin, and they also have significantly worse mp economy than every other healer. i would also like to point out that mitigation is currently not represented in healing parses, something that fflogs is going to implement soon, which would make whm look even worse compared to sge and sch. there is no objective advantage whm has other than padding dps in dungeons with afflatus misery i’m not saying whm is unviable or can’t clear content, i’m just saying the statement ‘whm is the worst healer in the game’ is objectively, technically true, regardless of what conclusion you draw from that statement
Yeah 100% correct! If you are Logging in PF tho, Whitemage has the advantage (Like Sage), that you dont rely on others peoples damage to parse high as they dont have any raid buffs, which makes it fun to just pick up and join a PartyFinder Log group. But I agree that outside of Progression Raiding, WHM is by far not in the best spot at the moment to put it mildly.
I think this Video was Uploaded before the Whitemage Buff right? Because due to the Misery Potency increase Lillies are at least dmg Neutral now and in all savages and even in Dungeons you have Downtime due to movement or Transition or whatever to trow away some lillies because you cant do anything else. As a former Healer Main from 1.0-Shb i wouldnt per se say you have to be a good player to be a Parser. Its more like use your tools to the Propper Time. The Girl in the Vide left Assize so l8ng untouched and actually it is a great tool to improve dmg. Specially even as a Healer pr Caster we have Autoattacks. Since savage or Trials/Raids are designed for everyone except Tank stacks richt behind the Boss aside of Mechanics go and Smack the Boss with your Book,Cane,Rod....whatever. its not a big DPS increase but in the End a Gain is a Gain. There is no need to stand right behind the boss and let him untouched because you even smack them in between your GCD's
Yet more white mage whining, not content with destroying scholar in heavensward and astrologian in stormblood they now wish to become better than every other healer at everything.
I never expected my video to get so much attention and I'm kind of embarrassed that it did! My noob is showing xDD Thanks for being nice and explaining things without bashing me c: I learned after it blew up that there's a difference between parsing and speedrunning and I honestly didnt know (and was essentially using the word parse to mean speedrun rip xD).
edit: also I would love to see those optimization guides you mentioned!
Hey! I absolutely loved the video as it put attention to something I care about and out of healers perspective even was very very enjoyable for me! Dont be embarressed at all, you discussed the topic from your point of view and if in that exact moment you didnt know any better, then so be it, no biggy. Better then never talking abou ANYTHING you are not an expert on.
On your edit: Thank you for inspiring me to start working on them! I hope they will turn out helpfull. Much Thanks for the Video!
@@AqB I personally would love to learn more about optimization! Sometimes it feels a little confusing and you did a great job with your explanations in this video.
The problem is that there is no in-between parsing and casual players. Even casual players "should" be working towards optimizing a fight as they progress.... But for some reason they don't and keep repeating the same mistakes in their damage rotation without ever considering how much damage they're leaving on the table.
However, your "Parse" shouldn't even be a consideration during prog or random clear groups in party finder. Too many "Parse" players are actively hurting a groups prog, or even their own because they're greeding for a Parse that no one will ever see.
I agree! No one cares about your prog Parses. The true competition starts when everybody is BiS, wich can take 4-8 Weeks depenging on if you run splits or not.
It is also very unhelpfull for "Casual Players", that they dont get any feedback from the game WHATSOEVER on how good or poorly they performed. So they might not even know they are doing mistakes in their rotation. So I think thats partly the fault of how the game is designed aswell.
But damage is important during prog therefore your “parse” (damage) does matter but you don’t have to actually be parsing to do really good damage. As somebody that done a lot of party finder the biggest problem in these clear groups is actually just poor quality players messing up or people that have cleared before but are trying an alt job or role. I feel like it’s an assumption that parse obsessed players are ruining or bringing groups down unless there’s some actual data to back this up I’d have to disagree.
People greed GCD’s and things all the time but it’s not always because of a parse
@@ItsSVO Those are good points aswell. Beeing greedy is fun and people do it regardless of parse or not, just to test their limits. Thats true!
On if they ruin parties or not, I dont have such a strong oppinion, because I dont reclear in PF. I just help people get clears after I get my weeklys with my crew, so I dont have any valid information on that :/
How would anyone notice a damage loss or gain when the game has no dps meter by default.
@@arohk4415 by knowing how your job works, jobs are very simple now that you shouldn’t need a dps meter to tell you if you’re playing well.
This was a really interesting video to see as a sprout. I am currently on my free trial, getting interested in many aspects of the game so I am watching a lot of videos, and I gotta say, the idea of raiding is incredibly appealing to me.
Whenever I manage to get into extreme trials through duty finder, I get super excited! I play as a Scholar, and I love the class! I managed to save a party wipe once at Garuda's extreme trial thanks to all the damage mitigation I got from Succor, Fey Illumination and Sacred soil, and I was so excited :)!
I am a little bit relieved because I've seen this "parsing" concept so much recently, it made the whole idea of raiding a little bit intimidating. But now that I know that I can still clear content with my Scholar without having to engage in this "parsing", I definitely want to try raiding once I purchase the game!
Even then, there's true to the idea of "parsing" being the most optimal way of approaching the game since it literally encourages you to become the best version of yourself as a player. That being said, if there's elitism behind this concept, and casual players have to sacrifice their enjoyment for the sake of it... I think it would be better for casual players to stay away from it!
I main SCH and personally hate trying to parse with WHM cohealer. They literally do nothing to help heal outside of 45 sec asylum and 2min Lilly bell because they use assize on CD whether it's needed for heals or not, refuse to use lillies or medica. It's very annoying to have used 2 fairy heals, seraph consolation x2, indomnibility, sacred soul and still be forced to use succor just to keep everyone alive having no resources available all to have the whm say "I need you to heal more"...like seriously stfu. I'm busting my ass using every possible resource available across 15 different buttons while they spam glare and dia.
Lillybell is 3 minutes even 😭. WHM and SCH have a Hard time getting along as all the extra healing Scholar can push is actively loosing them damage (aetherflow) so it’s a tough time :D
well assize isnt a heal... and it shouldnt be treated as such... it is an AoE DMG ability with as its healing secondary focus hence why they use it off CD
im in a static that currently progs p4s 2. static doesnt care about parses, we just look at it and laugh at greys and greens, are happy about blues and above. personally tho as a reaper i care about MY parse and aim for 80+ parses. yeah it sucks if we wipe to shit dps but the static is fun to prog and play with so who cares. at the end of the day i care most about having fun playing the game and that comes from my partners in crime and not from some numbers only i care about ^^
Yep absolutely. Its just if its fun to some people to see the numbers, thats about it. A style of playing is not better or worse than the other. Just do what you find fun and everything should be gucci.
I prefer lilies to a medica, you have more movement. I think everyone has their opinion, but which one will be correct? I did well with whm on p2s, parse 97, using my ogcd and lilys
Yes Lillies > Medica 100%. Its fine if you use them its not "Wrong". But if you want to get Top 1 or Top 50 you will compete agains people who dont use a single lilly and you will need insane crit luck to hold up to them. If you save a run by using a lilly its not the end of the world.
If you want to get rid of them completely, keep an eye on where you use them frequently and ask you co healer if he can move a off global there to help you out. Getting an Orange Parse is absolutely possible with usage off lillies, but getting Top 1 or close to Top 1 might not be possible, because those players are not using a single lilly.
i’m sure you did well but i hope you realise your rdps parse number/colour on a healer is virtually meaningless by itself. i’ve seen a whm parse a 97 in p3s with a 0 in hps and green in healer combined rdps because he was just griefing his cohealer
For "Top 50" parsers as healer, you could just have your co-healer do all the healing while you never cast a healing GCD right? Does that actually happen or can you cover the damage in fights entirely with you and your co-healer's oGCDs anyway?
@@punpunch273 You can cover the entire Savage fights damage with oGCD only in most cases. Sometimes you see Scholars casting Adlo, but we even try to minimize that.
What you are saying can happen, but is pretty rare, because killtime is more important then screwing your co-healer for the rest of the group. I had combined healer rank 2 parses were me and my co-healer get 99s. You dont have to screw your co-healer almost ever, if you are playing with a coordinated group.
@@aliasonarcotics Yeah griefing co-healers happens, but in the current raid Tier especially there is so little incoming damage, that you could easily solo heal every fight if it wasnt forced on us to have 2 Healers in P3S and P4S because of healer bound mechanics.
It is 100% possible to get 2 healer 99s in the same run, you dont have to grief anyone at all. Especially if you join a Log-Run group, no one will let themselves be griefed upon, because everyone is chasing a high parse.
Sometimes having a "bad" healer combined rdps in reclears or weekly kills is just down to the fact of gear or the other healer just not caring about his Parses.
Im NOT saying griefing your co-healer DOES NOT HAPPEN! I am saying it is absolutely not neccessairy in current Savage content if everyone is Best in Slot or close to it (as most people are when Parsing/Logging)
I parse but consider myself “midcore” like, I compare myself to other players and will screw around with my openers and rotations. I read guides and consider what they say but ultimately I just play the game and have fun. Sometimes it’s fun to chase numbers sometimes I don’t care. I know I’ll never be #1 in the jobs I play but I do strives to be “good”.
It feels like the video would probably make more sense if it had three tiers: casual players who don't go into Savage, players who go into Savage but aren't necessarily focused on parsing, and then the high end parsers who do what they can to get good parses (which includes stuff like other people playing differently than they normally would so the person/people who are going for high parses can get the best possible ones).
I'm just on p4s act 1 right now and am not a "parser," I do look at logs/parses for how I could be doing better and I feel the DPS loss from aetherstack healing and stuff, but in my static we're not optimizing to give anyone a specific parse (at the moment) since we're progging. Playing optimally is important, but what actual color/number I have in logs isn't my focus, especially when it comes to DPS parses as a healer.
I see your point with the title of the video, but then again it would make a worse sounding title and would be way too long 😆. I think people get unneccesairly offendend by beeing called a casual player. No one wants to be "The Casual", but the truth is 99% of the players porobably are and that is great! It keeps the game populated and alive!
If the color/number doesnt matter to you, that is perfectly reasonable. It doesnt HAVE TO. There are just people who enjoy it and it matters to them, thats all 😄.
Thank you so much for taking your time and commenting! ❤
The issue is just, especially for tierlists, people need to understand that context is king. If someone is a hardcore Savage raider that is just trying to clear, their tierlist is not going to apply to a hardcore speedrunner, a hardcore parser or a casual. Like what he said about WHM issues for parsers who are comparing their performance to other WHM vs a world first runner or Min iLvl raider that is just go for clears who are going to care about what each job in a role offers compared to each other. Then you have PF/DF Savage groups and casuals who are usually the ones that take tierlists that don't apply to them out of context because in an unoptimized group with strangers and no communication, jobs like DRK, SGE and DNC are going to struggle a lot more while jobs like WAR, WHM, self reliant DPS like BLM and even MCH, and rezzers are gonna be way more valued because they don't need to rely on others to get the most out of their kit or they have some carry potential because you need to assume these people you don't know may not know the encounter or may not be optimal. Context is everything when ranking jobs and even the okaystyle of those jobs.
Absolutely! You can make Tier lists in many different categories as you mentioned like:
-How FUN is the Job
-Speedruns
-Job asthetics!
-RaidProg
etc.
but poeple never watch through Tierlist videos they just skip to the end and screenshot without context, wich is way more harmfull then helpfull to their experience!
Thank you for your in-depth comment!
I heal main in savages and basically as long as we are clearing dps checks and enrage then I dont care about my dps. Ill do it as much as possible but I'm not going to cast a dps spell when everyone needs healing just to keep a good parse.
That perfectly fine! It is a very niche thing to aim for high parses and if people dont enjoy it that is OK! Dont let yourself be told otherwise. Do what you are having fun with!
I'm am, or rather "was" a new player. Sooo anxious early on, sitting on dummy for hours to grasp what my skills even do. I joined like 2months ago and became one of those parsers(well or logger, but I mainly just enjoy rerunning and getting better). The attitude is very weird in FF. It really feels like there is no inbetween. Either you're really good and know your rota at least. Or you're absolute terrible, basically a "burden" to everybody while being somehow proud of it. I somewhere have a pic of a mountfarm where I was at around 17k with my opener as Nin and the 2nd person from 8total was at around 3,6k. And then you also can't say anything cuz it's not a thing in FF to criticize anybody. Obviously tryharding in casual content isn't the point here, but it's almost weird how both sides kinda balance themselves out. I don't have to know my job cuz ppl will carry me through anything anyway feels like a common attitude, or it's really sheer unawareness of potential damage. I'd like to see 8of casuals clearing even normal trial 2 by themselves lol, but that won't happen, so noone has to improve. I think casuals bit hate on those loggers or act users, but they're def not aware how much easier their game gets due to them.
I agree, but you dont HAVE to use Act to do a lot of damage. You can just look up "How to play..." and copie what you see and do decent. A lot of people just want loot or mounts etc and dont care at all about damage tho and thats fine to an extent aswell. Its just when damage is MISSING, that you kinda feel trapped and cant say anything.
I use to love seeing damage numbers but I realized real quick how toxic I was getting towards other players. Sometimes it's hard to remember it's a game meant to be played for fun.
So true
You can play casually and still optimize. Playing well should be something you want to do. And as for the whole thing about PF vs Statics, I parsed 99 in a random P4N without trying to even parse. I think she is coming from the unique spot as a WHM because it’s in a shitty position so I understand that too. If they made Misery an oGCD but left the others as GCD it would at least make it worth it to use the damn thing damage wise. Or make it higher potency or crit. Playing without a job gauge is really fun lol
Yeah there are absolutely jobs like WHM or SGE Samurai Machinist etc, where the rest of your party does not matter as much or at all. If you play a rdps heavy job, it is close to impossible tho, but sure I dont think you have to be a Hardcore player to optimize!
I thought thin air changes were bad but I actually prefer it now. I also never have mp issues with whm even though I'm running a 0 piety build. My scholar seems to run out if I'm not careful about lucid and res someone. Thin air plus Lilies the whm only really have to spend mp on Glares.
Yeah but compared to every other healer it’s just less regen. If we talk high end parsing, you have lucid dreaming (which every healer has) assize and thin air (saving 400mp on a glare). Scholar regenerates with aetherflow and the dmg spell of aetherflow constantly, AST on every card pulled and astrodyne the new spell they have with seals and Sage gets 8% max MP on every addersgall ability.
Yeah you don’t go oom but it’s a lot tighter compared to every other healer for no apparent reason 😔
@@AqB If WHM still doesn't run out of mana with 0 piety, doesn't that just mean that the other healers have too much MP to the point where you don't even need to care about it?
Although I don't know if having to worry about MP would make healers more fun or interesting. And this is assuming everything is going well in the fight and you're not having to burn MP on raises and stuff, which is much less common in casual play. It seems hard to balance healers across all levels of play really!
@@punpunch273 Yeah that is a good point, actually. I mean if I miss a Lucid dreaming timing on any other healer I dont even notice it sometimes, but on WHM if I miss a usage here or there I can immidiately feel the consequences and now that I think about it I dont know what I personally prefer, BUT it should be consistent throughout all healers.
My hope is we get a Piety rework at some point, to not have it be absolutely USELESS STAT and pushing it in the direction they are pushing Tenacity at the moment.
@@AqB Yeah I'm not sure which would be more 'fun' but it is odd that only 1 healer has to actually work to manage their MP.
And big agree on Piety, at least make it do -anything- extra like Tenacity. As it is now it makes healer itemisation so weird as you're avoiding piety like the plague
@@punpunch273 True !! Its like "Here is a Stat that ONLY YOU can use, it should be Perfectly shaped for your needs!" --- Avoiding it at all cost.
You can parse and still be effective in normal content you just need to know the fight to put out timely mit + heal over time.
It got better after the buffs of afflatus. Video is a bit older now. Start of EW Whitemages wouldnt use any lillies in Log-Runs, was kinda annoying. Now its obviously perfectly fine after the buffed the job.
making lillies ogcd would step on on Ast's toes
Blood lily is a nice dopamine hit though.
Also my personal gripe with parsers is there's always arguments in PF groups about strategies to use for an EX because "Better dps this way and you're a fucking idiot if you don't use it." or "This is better for melee stop being an idiot and learn to use OGCDs." "People who don't play melee are bad at this game."
Or my co-healer is trying to parse an EX trial and they're doing this by *Never fucking rezzing.* I'm left to rez everyone. If multiple people make a mistake I have to swift rez one and hard cast rez 1-2 others and they won't lift a finger they'll just keep spamming their dps button.
I don't hate parsers and I don't like...bash them or anything it's whatever if that's how they wanna play the game more power to them I ain't gonna stop them, but it doesn't mean it's any less annoying when it happens.
It's not just about parsing. It's also about getting the mechanics down while parsing. You can get yourself to a point where you do a TON of damage, but if you don't learn the mechanics, if you don't learn how to play well in a group, you'll never clear. That's one thing I'm hoping Square continues working on, teaching casual players' complicated mechanics early on in the game.
True, early game is too easy, and doesn't teach you everything it can, yesterday I was leveling my alt and ended up with a gladiator that literally didn't turned on his tank stance, and didn't read the chat either because I asked him 2 times to turn on his stance. Our healer was a scholar and they said something kinda funny "everyone is a DPS in low level dungeons", and it's the truth, everyone is such a DPS that I also learned new things in halatali after my healer rescued me away from the fire sprite mini-boss, I thought the challenge of this dungeons was just doing damage as fast as possible because almost nothing really mattered, I think final fantasy's early game dungeons are awesome, they'll slowly get more challenging and will introduce new mechanics gradually and when they do it won't be as harsh as something like heavensward's dungeons or even some ARR's level 50 dungeons, I just wished the game managed to teach everything it COULD as early as possible because bad habits are hard to fix
A way to get around this would be to put actual HPS checks on bosses like ticking damage for example or mini raidwides every 10s. So you need to heal constantly. Then your healing will be represented as your parse and not you mashing 1 button more than someone else.
There are some and historically have been some, but they get outgeared and ignored later on, plus so many healers have insane oGCDs now that that any healer check can be made irrelevant. Best example Deaths Toll Astrologian, one of the most obvious healing checks ever, that is skipped by a single button.
You just predict the future lmao
Casual players wants to playing the content just for fun, while Parsers players want to be high skill leveled to get high logs. This is already big gap inbetween skilled players due to their goal mindset is different as well. But surely casual players are not bothering much something like optimizing
Regarding about WHM, the thing with WHM is in optimize scenario, you need to do less lilies usage with limited ogcd too. which is something i don't like to because my cohealer gonna to chadding me hard (SCH would be way more suffer if with WHM). I don't mind if it's just progging or anything, but for optimizing, WHM is so awful and not contribute enough to heal with very minimal ogcd. Chadding cohealer is not my mindset, lol
that's why i'm playing AST/SCH/SGE and more skillful with them rather with WHM for optimizing.
Since I joined the game a year and a half ago, I played healers. Did not particularly want to, but the queues were faster.
I was always very competitive when it comes to dps in all games, which made me install act. Now I have almost everything maxed out and cannot comprehend why on all jobs I barely play I do more damage than other players in DF/PF. Probably the saddest thing is that I frequently am 1-2 dps as a healer in expert roulette.
The feeling I get is that a lot of people treat this game as a single player game and are disinterested in not being a burden. I've seen healers not cast a single dps skill in all content, even in savage. I've seen tanks who have no idea what mitigation is after 90 levels of content. I've seen players who claim to be mains of something doing less than dps that running trusts suddenly becomes more worth it.
Obviously, SE want to be inclusive, but there has to be some way to motivate players to do well. Not do parsing runs and just greed everything possible, but to a decent enough level. I personally would like to have enrages in all content or at least all 8-man content even on normal difficulty, but that will never happen.
Yeah i see where you are coming from! Ive played this game with Friends - Strangers - even family like my little sister at one point and I liked it at low levels that nothing really mattered, like nothing enrages you dont have wipes in dungeons and there is no unneccessairy frustration. Ive had kills on extreme Diamond weapon in ShB where my co-heal had 3 dps and we still cleared. But then again I think its better for the overall health of the game to have people who enjoy that competitive side of the game enjoy it and if you dont then you just ignore it. BUT a lot of people will never know that there is such a "competitiveness", because the game tries to hide it from that players and that is what i find kinda sadge, if that makes sense!
@@AqB Yup, completely agree! Just wish there were some tools in game that would motivate to do better at least in content that is not mandatory and not everyone has to clear, or some versions of how-to similar to level 15, but at later levels!
@@nyappynen 💯
Healing optimization for raiding? Yes, please.
No lie, EW screwed WHM for me. Gimme back my thin air! 🥺😤
Poor Whitemage Mains . I only played WHM in Shadowbringers 😥.
I really want to do optimazation videos like that! Would you prefer fight specific guides like "P3S Healer Optimization guide" where I talk about a single fight for ALL healers or a job specific guide like "Sage/Whitemage/Astro Optimization for Savage" where i talk about a single job in general?? 🤔 Thanks for the comment!
@@AqB why you making me choose? Let me have both. ❤️ Please. 🥰
@@tracypham858 True! 😆
I'm 3 minutes in (she starts talking about the lilies) and she sounds like she is about to burst into tears.
Who hurt her? Who insulted the lilies so harshly that she was compelled to make a video about it?
not parsing doesn't make you a casual player. It would be similar to saying if you don't grind for relic weapons you're a casual player. Parsing should just be considered a different game mode. Parsing relies on mechanics RNG sometimes, and your other party members doing parsing strats, and your gear drops. You can be a casual player and still parse. The idea that its one or the other needs to change, cause that's where you get toxic people who don't go into parsing parties in PF and join parties just trying to get the clear, while they are parsing and dying to mechanics / killing other people due to greeding and wasting other peoples time.
Playstation saves the day. Ill try to give it my all but cant log myself. Ill Check sometimes how well i do but dont join parsing groups. All i got is the enmity numbers 🤣
please use at least one afflautus, at least one TT_TT
I don't get whm complaints you have Presence of Mind
i feel like the ‘oh they only say this is the worst job because they only look at parsing’ is misleading, especially for whm. look at the data for all parses at all percentiles across this raid tier. whm is the lowest dps healer AND the worst hps healer by a huge margin, and they also have significantly worse mp economy than every other healer. i would also like to point out that mitigation is currently not represented in healing parses, something that fflogs is going to implement soon, which would make whm look even worse compared to sge and sch. there is no objective advantage whm has other than padding dps in dungeons with afflatus misery
i’m not saying whm is unviable or can’t clear content, i’m just saying the statement ‘whm is the worst healer in the game’ is objectively, technically true, regardless of what conclusion you draw from that statement
Yeah 100% correct! If you are Logging in PF tho, Whitemage has the advantage (Like Sage), that you dont rely on others peoples damage to parse high as they dont have any raid buffs, which makes it fun to just pick up and join a PartyFinder Log group. But I agree that outside of Progression Raiding, WHM is by far not in the best spot at the moment to put it mildly.
I think this Video was Uploaded before the Whitemage Buff right? Because due to the Misery Potency increase Lillies are at least dmg Neutral now and in all savages and even in Dungeons you have Downtime due to movement or Transition or whatever to trow away some lillies because you cant do anything else.
As a former Healer Main from 1.0-Shb i wouldnt per se say you have to be a good player to be a Parser. Its more like use your tools to the Propper Time. The Girl in the Vide left Assize so l8ng untouched and actually it is a great tool to improve dmg. Specially even as a Healer pr Caster we have Autoattacks. Since savage or Trials/Raids are designed for everyone except Tank stacks richt behind the Boss aside of Mechanics go and Smack the Boss with your Book,Cane,Rod....whatever. its not a big DPS increase but in the End a Gain is a Gain. There is no need to stand right behind the boss and let him untouched because you even smack them in between your GCD's
kinda toxic ngl
Yet more white mage whining, not content with destroying scholar in heavensward and astrologian in stormblood they now wish to become better than every other healer at everything.
Video is pretty old and Whitemage got buffed after, so I think Square Enix agreed with my opinion :D