Bel'Veth - Another 200 Years Champion? Or Perfectly Designed? | League of Legends
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- After four months of no major update taking place, we finally have a new champion scheduled for release in patch 12.11 and... honestly I don't know what to think about this one. Regardless today we're gonna be talking about Bel'Veth: The Empress of the Void. Is she another 200 years champion or perfectly designed?
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Wait... *SHE'S MANALESS?!*
She's also a jg which kinda removes the point of mana
yep, she's a manaless irelia with true damage and free-targeted dashes.
As if junglers ever had mana problems anyway
A jungler like Lilia? Junglers end up in solo lanes all the time.
@@laggrenade863 You cannot stack her passive in lanes as well. Could stop her from going into lanes
I was expecting a versatile long range control mage not a jojo character wtf
Why jojo? Is that about japanese voice actor again?
@@spookyscarygraviton5944 he means the muda muda thing
@@spookyscarygraviton5944 It’s reference to that funny fast punching which is what Bel’veth basically does once she reaches certain attack speed threshold
There are many meme videos like this, just search Bel'veth muda muda muda
Yeah, I expected a long range mage too but that wouldve made her maybe too much like Vel'Koz. floating sea-inspired void creature and all
I think one big mistake Riot did with Bel'veth is how they promoted her.
One of her first teaser was Riot member being controlled to forshadow her coming. Champion roadmap talked about how you will submit to her.
These caused so many ppl expecting the whole mind control aspect.
Throughout 7 months, Riot promoted/teased her with the whole ever-expanding Lavender Sea and Remoras (Void Fishes) to the point that there were so many guesses on how Bel'veth will rely on using swarm ability. One of the earliest talk about the Void Jungler was that it was based on swarm.
Then the leaked ability list (which was decently close) showed how her passive relied on creating swarm fishes.
There was so much expectation on Bel'veth being this Void Empress with mind control + fish swarm which really fits her overall.
NO ONE was expecting Bel'veth to rely entirely on dashing and auto attacking as her main playstyle while the fish swarm only being there as an extra feature with limitied access.
It did not help that the moment Bel'veth's very first gameplay was shown was people instantly commenting on how bad her auto attacks look despite being auto attack focused champion (the effect looks better in general now though).
I feel like if Riot's promotion focused more on Bel'veth being this Void's ultimate top predator who will consume everything in her way to become stronger without ever mentioning things like the Remoras or being subjugated, so many people would not have been disappointed.
Even ignoring what's above, it's hard not to think that her overall concept could have been further explored.
I personally wish she had a separate kit in her "human" form while having that skirmisher kit in her "true" form similar to Elise with her Spider form.
Meanwhile somehow making the fish swarm being more prominent in her kits.
The fact that her Ult just feels like a visual change than gameplay change is a bit disappointing.
Even if her kit ends up being balanced gameplay wise, I think it will be difficult for many people to not think about how much more she could have been other than just fast auto attacking champion.
@David's Journey No the whole mind controlled Riot member was specifically for Bel'veth as he even mentioned the fall of Belveth city and the whole Lavender Sea and the Remora (void fishes)
@David's Journey Yeah but that has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Riot promoted Bel’veth first by implying mind controlling aspect and then fish swarms for months only to show how she’s entirely AA based champion which heavily went against what so many people were expecting this whole time.
It was basically impossible to avoid backlash.
Korean community especially was pretty mocking on expectation vs reality
Fax
@David's Journey yeah they said that there would be another monster champ but we haven't learned anything about that yet. All of the promotions have been about belveth
This comment really sums up a lot of gripes I have with Bel'Veth, I don't care if she's overtuned or feature-creeped, those can be adjusted, the presentation and lore and lack of changing-kit despite being called a "shapeshifter" champion however is pretty unacceptable.
ngl i think riot dropped the ball when announcing the concept. originally they claimed she was suppose to be some type of queen who would swarm the rift with an army of minions/pets. instead it feels like an after thought in her kit. yes you can still kill a bunch of lane minions and make an army but i feel it shouldve been the main part of her kit.
Most of the games she doesnt even summon any... She is a jungler
I think they might have even tried that approach but found it to be too problematic. No confirmed info. Just summons have a history of being very hard to design in a way that doesn't feel akward to play
@@panlis6243 I wish they just used something similar to Elise's baby spiders but higher in number.
Considering how her concept art was showing Bel'veth attacking ppl with her fin, I think Riot wanted her like that for a while.
They also announced that she’s a skirmisher a bit long before her announcement as well.
Although I was also expecting her to constantly have a bunch of minions around her (and was super hyped about it) I actually prefer hor it is. Like, what I was expecting first was something akin to Enigma, Broodmother, or Chen from DOTA and although I like those character sand mechanics a lot I think it would be too frustrating to play against in a game like league. And the way they made it actually gives you more reason to go after the rift heralds (thus creating more tensions between teams), so I think it'll be healthier for the game--plus, you can still get a MASSIVE wave with that
Bel'veth in game VS her lore feels like two different characters.
She doesn't feel like someone who's trying to take over the world to become the ruler.
"I am no mindless Voidspawn"
Plays exactly like a mindless voidspawn
Yeah it's one reason why I wish her gameplay focused more on the swarm mechanic.
It could have given that ever expanding Lavender Sea aspect which Riot constantly mentioned.
@@WoodSageSeaSalt Exactly! I wish she could actually spread a lavender sea over the map and her kit focused more on her void fish
two words: ludonarrative dissonance.
Well taking over the world in void speak is basically shredding and eating it, she does both.
I was hoping she would be pet focused like Malz. Except as a melee champ
Yes true I hoped she would be even more focused on that more like Yorick but more in a way were she isn't even doint anything on her own and just uses pets
When I heard Empress of the Void I expected something like Swain, a regal and domineering force collecting minions from jg camps. It's like her kit is for a different champion, who thought it was a good idea to make the fuckin manta ray an auto attacker?
@@ethanstyant9704 riot.
They'll just be Nasus Q food
playing against her made some weaknesses very obvious:
Topside becomes very important due to Rift herald and Baron R passive. With Herald she can literally push to inhib and nexus towers at min 15
If she looses those objectives or the R token, she is really easy to manage.
You play against her like against a Pyke, Veigar or Viego: If she is the first to die before one of your teammates die, you win. that means either disengage or Death denial (Zilean, Renata, Kayle) are hard counters to her. Also her very early game isnt the best.
She is managable, but her Kit feels tbh a bit like a random assortment of abilites.
Like Swain W sticks out but for her entire kit.
Even Swain W has thematic sense with him being a knowledgeable powerhouse of Noxas, him getting vision at such a safe distance is representative of the sweeping power Noxas has on Runeterra as a whole.
Swain W made sense thematically. He's supposed to be all knowing and have more information than anyone should comfortably let a person know. They obviously can't give him a basic ability with the same capabilities as TF's ultimate so why not just give a near global aoe that grants vision. Like an all seeing eye gazing upon a particularly small patch of land for whatever reason.
Swain w is the best ability in swain s kit.He is the vision of the empire,the W is great to help from distance,gaining vision and deal dmg with E W(plus it gives stack of passiv)
Am I the only one thinking these people are overthinking?
Volibear counters her aswell
I mean yeah, "subverting expectations" is one way to say "disappointing your players". I was hyped for a swarm building control mage (imagine malz but all the abilities are actually focused on the voidling swarm, like a malz/ori hybrid). Instead they release viego 2, like we weren't oversaturated with skirmishers already. I don't know if I'm in the majority here, but i've definitely read about others thinking the same.
I've lost hope that Riot would ever do a completely unique champion. Every champ now has to fit some sort of pre-conceived archetype or role and no matter how unique they are conceptually, their abilities will be made to fit a specific shaped hole. I was hoping she'd be similar to Zagara from Heroes of the Storm.
Last chance is either their "colorful" adc or the actual monster champ they have in the works.
@@freshlymemed5680 I feel zeri is pretty unique, I dont really enjoy her but I would be lying if I said she wasn't at least unique.
@@freshlymemed5680 you were hoping that she would be similar to another character while hoping that riot make her unique? Bruh
@@certifiedfunnyguy Yeh but i feel like zeri is gonna be the LAST unique champ for a long long while. Rito looked at how popular skirmishers were and have prob decided they should make more.
@@longbread3593 renata??? Lmao stop being doomsayers
I expected her to be able to teleport and root someone because of the hands thing in the trailer and also a skill that channels and drains the target's HP then she shows her true form.
I never expected her to just bitch slap someone to death
She doesn’t elegantly teleport either, she just runs at people
@@carrier2823 riot really missed on this champ, her lores actually amazing and her champ concept top tier and then theres her gameplay....garbage pretty much her kit is shit doesnt even make sense.
I expected her to use walls similarly to Illaoi tentacles, but she's master yi 2.0
The disconnect between her theme and model and her slapping jojo viego/ irelia/ yasou copy paste moveset is so jarring, her minionspawning is so much of an afterthought. Man so close yet so far fits here.
That's the part I feel most frustrated with.
It feels like she's so close to being more fleshed out.
I wish she has this skirmisher playstyle focusing on AA in her Ult form while her Human Form have a different ability kit to contrast (simialr to Jayce/Elise/Nidalee)
I was expecting a skirmisher verison of Elise but with fish swarms.
@@WoodSageSeaSalt or a more active bruiser / juggernaut if they wanna keep it ad / playmaker, basicly anything with slower more devastating moves works more than autoattacking real fast
@@theimmortaleye7511 agree
It’s disappointing how the fast attacks just look laughable
The pinnacle of Void Predator and it just punches very fast.
I wish she just gets more fishes or something
If you're going to make an AA character, make it look like it can hit things. Imagine fighting a bird in a fistfight, it's just ludicrous
@@ethanstyant9704 for the void its even easier than animals - tentacles , make a fast moving octo monster with fast stabbing tentacles, mouths on hands idk its a formless horror
i didnt notice that the new champs have been trying to address certain problem but if we are taking that into account I think Bel’Veth’s gimmick is adressing the lack of top lane interactivity with the game, since, while strong Herald doesn’t attract enough attention like Dragons do at least in early game.
If you take a look at her ultimate she becomes a menance to the whole game if you let her take one void epic monster: every minion that dies close to her (ally or enemy, doesn’t matter) becomes a minion for her team (meaning that while you have 2-3 minion waves that can tank towers for you even if you won’t have all their damage at the same time, combine that with herald or baron buff and boom it’s a snowball that in paper feels completely unfair).
the lack of top lane interactivity is the backlash of those soft-skulled Inting Sions.
@@aisushitai2680 It's been happening way before inting Sion though. There's no way you haven't been in a game where Shelly remains untouched by the junglers for the entire game.
@@QuestionableLogic_ As someone that plays mid/top/jgl about the same amount, I find myself always asking to get Herald when i'm top BUT, whenever i'm jgl, I don't want to get it ever, even if I have to trade it when the ennemy team gets drake.
Riot shouldn’t be making champs to address these problems but actually balancing and fixing the game, one champion out of whatever it is more than 100 is not going to make top lane more interactive because it will only be if that is one champion. Vex or taliyah kind of address and help with hyper mobility because they’re viable counterpicks to the majority of hyper mobile champs and can shut them down but it doesn’t help or affect the game as much as reducing mobility globally would yk? I feel like riot shouldn’t be making champs and advertising them as a solution to a problem caused by their moronic design and balancing.
@@pearse2944 to be fair, Riot at most only advertised Vex's kit as a sort of solution to mobility. every other champon was advertised as "we took this gimmick in this direction, have fun." Vars describes new champs as a solution to a problem in the game more then Riot ever does to be frank.
That summon swarms of void monsters ability seems so unnecessary to her other abilities. It's like putting a random ass revive on an adc... Summoning void creatures is supposed to be Malzahars thing. She's like 3 different Champs in one.
It’s kinda funny you say that’s malzahars thing when he is bel’s acolyte
@@sandycole2347 right, then dedicate her whole kit to that if that is what they want her to be. Don't just tack it on just cause you felt like it. She's a dash bitch like irelia, builds/auto attacks/ult like viego and a summoner like malz for no reason.
@@dpsleepk3166 Yes I would have loved that so much I'm waiting since forever for them to release a champ that has a 100% dedicated kit on summons but sadly I know they will never release that champ that I'm wishing for.
And I think your right it is so stupid how instad of giving her 1 clear identity they gave her like 3 mixed in 1
Fukn hate Akshan's revive on a passive XD
at least Renata can only use it once on one champ, and she has high cd's and mana costs so can't spam it until late game, and she is support.
@@PowerEd8 Akshan revive rarely affects the outcome of games though cause they respawn in base unlike Zilean/Renata revive
4/10 to Bel'Veth,
I was expecting something unique with swarms, multiple units, a control or a battle mage. Principally because of the "teasers" in Roadmaps.
And what we received was a Master Yi/Irelia/Viego like champion.
One should be careful with the swarms, multiple units wish.. or it would also be Nasus' dream come true.
2/10 for me
I just fought with Bel'Veth for the last 20 round of LoL and im sick of her
Honestly I find her ult to be a bit strange. I feel like it could've been an activation like Aatrox where she presses R and could do a little explosion and gain the bonus stats, and maybe she could have a passive mechanic where she stores souls of stuff she kills and when she activates her ult she'd consume the stacks to summon an army
that would have been sick, ngl
Ngl I really hoped she would have been a shapeshifter, with her human form having range and swarms while true form would be more like this
Elise already exists
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd A different version can still be implemented.
A skirmisher version of Elise while making the fish being big portion of Bel'veth's damage source would be enough to make her pretty different from Elise overall.
Bel'veth right now is being called Void Yi in Korea and I'd rather have Elise 2.0
I got feeling that of all abilities, her summon minions part is for sake of lore... HOWEVER It feels really like that some Rioter accidentally swap the aspect of another incoming Void Champ and Bel’vert
Imagine if the another Void champ got Mind control/Swarm style, and then someone realizes they do some oppsie.
I'd say neither, when she gets released she'll stomp like all new champs do. She has lethal tempo in her kit already and doesn't even use mana or energy, she's vulnerable if she's not stuck to you and Taliyah and Vex hard counter her.
I'm just glad they made a champ that's fun to play by this point.
All the new champs are fun to play lol
@@Utopin1 just not fun to play against
She will spend the first 10minutes of the game farming jungle only, so much fun 😴
@@theimmortaleye7511 you don't play for others
@@Utopin1 Renata?
I kinda agree she should've been a mage. She looks really fun to play and I'm gonna pick her up asap but we haven't had a mage jungle in forever.
Bel'Veth feels like someone wanted to put Kirito or a Joestar in the game but were forced to put the kit onto a character who is obviously lorewise/theme wise meant to be a mage.
Her kit would fit better on Yone
The only part of her kit that fits her thematic wise feels like it was slapped on as an after thought because they remembered they had mentioned her being a swarm queen.
Too quote a cool guy from the replies on a reddit post I made,
"I think if Riot’s marketing was more on “the ultimate predator whose goal is to devour everything and become stronger”, ppl wouldn’t have complained as much especially if her AA animation was more impactful to begin with.
Starting the introduction of Bel’veth with a mind control teaser before constantly mentioning of ever expanding Lavender Sea with Void Fishes, it’s so easy for people to think that the champion would have a gameplay that focuses on those aspects.
Bel’veth being a top Predator disguised as a human and focusing on AA based gameplay itself is not a bad thing.
It’s just not what many people expected/imagined at all while her gameplay teasers were instantly ridiculed due to the underwhelming animations for a champion who was hyped for months and even received a great cinematic trailer."
I would be a bit less jarring if her model/design didn't reflect opposite themes.
The primary is manta/stingray and second an anglerfish. Both are creatures that ARE NOT QUICK but gave her irelias kit
didn't expected my Reddit comment to make it here but I'm glad that many people are agreeing with it.
@@WoodSageSeaSalt oh shit man, I was the op of that post and have just been copy pasting my comments on everything about bel' veth. Ended up stealing your opinion this time aswell cause I damn agree with it. I gotchu bruh. Editing the comment to give you pseudo credit temporarily then will edit again later to give proper credit when I'm actually cognizant of what I'm doing.
@@Toadaux haha I’m fine with it. I’m just glad that many people did agree with it to the point of using my comment to express their opinions. If anything it means I managed to convey how I felt and people agreed with me in that aspect.
Her minion thing when she eats an even more suspicious candy was put in purely for lore related reasons
I feel like they wanted to make her a Drow Archer style character who pushes the lane with minions, but they wanted to subvert expectations and tie into the Void Champion template by making her an aggressive melee character.
...The problem is they already did that with Yorick. No one was expecting the necromancer to be a melee dude with a shovel. So it was time for an actual caster type necromancer. But we got the same subversion again.
I have no issue with the kit, I have issue with the kit being BEL'VETH'S. By the concept and teasers and everything I was hyped for a swarm control mage or tank...and got slappy fish. It's just ridiculous and looks bad. I wish so badly this kit was on another champion and Bel'Veth got the kit she deserved, Rito dropped the ball on champion thematics here even if the kit and design look good...the whole issue is they don't look good TOGETHER.
Exactly, it's like her kit was designed for a totally different character and then realised "oh yeah, we said it was supposed be a swarm character" and just slapped it as a passive
exactly, coherence and roleplay are two things that are missing a lot in the last champions
I'm a huge sucker for void champs, all of them are sexy af, especially mommy rek'sai. How could they ruin their void thematic so much.
Where was it ever said she was supposed to be a swarm champion? Or I mean contril and swarm mage? Her swarm is perfectly portrayed well, the conditions are great, getting herald or baron in order to get swarms is a balance way to do it. It was only done by the riot show off when it showed the dude controlled but that's the only mention.
The visual look of Bel Veth is that she tricks people, she tricks them to thinking her face is a elegant women noble but she's actually a horrible monster that lures its prey like a angler fish. This does well for her kit. She isn't a fancy noble empress, why would she be? All void creatures are savage and she is no exception
@@kawaiivenus8177 based on info from Rioters there was a jg champ with swarm abilities and that's all we knew for a while. When she was revealed, she was the Void EMPRESS and the greatest most powerful Void threat. That lead many to assume she would have a certain regalness.
Based on that info I thought she would be a commander type or something
She doesn't feel like a empress of the void she has more sense with malzahars kit than her own I think this is a mistake and she needs to be longer in development and this kit riot can put on the next void champion they choose to make.
Kinda wanted a swarm mage but got another viego that feels like a lot of random stuff put into her kit
We could have a control mage /summoner with the so-called "empress of the void" but she basically just master yi , so damn disappointing
could have been evil ivern but instead we get viego 2 who also wants to destroy the world
@@certifiedfunnyguy fun fact:August designed Belveth.Same guy who made viego
the voidlings kinda feel like an afterthought. I was expecting her to maybe turn jungle camps into voidlings, and accumulating a bunch of them for skirmishes as she clears and stuff.
I'll be honest Heroes of the Storm had a cool idea for "camps" where after beating it you could go its center and you'd hire them to go down the nearest lane to help push. It would've been cool if Bel veth could do something similar, kill some camps, spawn some remora and they'd just go down the nearest lane and help push. It would've been better than Yi 2.0 honestly.
Similar to Dota brood mother. If an enemy die while under the effect of her or her spiderlings poison, they spawn addition spiderlings.
Love your videos bro keep going crazy
im really happy about this she could be an issue but i kinda wish that her ult was along the lines that you unleash a horde of the kreeps that you killed in the jungle but you have to be in lane to buff them or the just wander into the enemy jungle to attack things because without a leader the void is just mindless something along those lines
Nice choice of background music, very fitting ;)
They promoted a mechanical skirmisher champion as if she was a summoner or a ranged character. I find myself too disappointed in what she is to really care about her. Her transformed model also looks rather cheap and awkward.
Her primary design is a manta ray which are know for gliding through see gracefully and an angler fish known for waiting for their prey.
Let's give her irelias kit XD
AND they had the nerve to delay this? man riot really disappointed a lot of people on this..
@@opportunity3278 lol and the trailers seem to show the unfinished product
1. Bel'veth showing not changing her color and only removes her head in one of the game plays
2. One of the gameplays show Bel'veth transforming her own minions into the void fishes all at once, which is not something in the game
3. It seems that Riot added more visual effects for her faster auto attacks later on once the backlashes came in for the underwhelming animations.
Bel'Veth release makes me think of Swain. If he ran around punching people with a bow and arrow. It's seems disconnected somehow.
Maybe it's the wings thing.
To me. Bel'veth feels like someone went into the studio. Watched all the negative reactions coming in for Viego. Cried. And then went "Screw you all, Imma just make Viego again"
She's a 4/10 for me sadly. While Riot revealed she wasn't the upcoming monster champ they had planned, her themes, concept and ultimate role in the story was wasted imo. She's meant to be the culmination of the void, the countless lives and information gathered by the voidborn which gave birth to her. The ultimate voidborn yet also their antithesis as she seeks to create a new world rather than consume and destroy the current one.
Like idk, she just had so much potential because all Voidborn have been very unique one way or another despite conforming to different archetypes and roles. Kha'zix is a hunter but he can also evolve and adapt, Cho constantly feasts and grows larger, Kog'maw literally melts things and his kit reflects that, etc. She's supposed to herald a new age for the void, one that doesn't simply destroy, but rule. Yet she's just a giant stingray that does Jojo references. Its kind of underwhelming honestly. Compared to the other "final boss" style champs they've released, Viego, Mordekaiser, A. Sol. She just falls flat by comparison.
I mean slashing, killing and absorbing their souls does reflect how she is the ultimate void born that feasts and grows does reflect that part of the story, I just wish they could’ve went harder on the adaptations on what she consumes aspect. Maybe if she gets a soul from a mage she gets magic damage, adc’s attack speed, bruiser’s health, tank’s armor, assassin’s attack damage or something like that
theyve never been good at the final boss characters, Look at the examples you listed (Morde rework is probably one of the worst ones, asol is getting a rework and hes one of the newer champs and viego doesnt fit the lord of the mist theme at all to me at least). I feel as if they can only do so much without making the final boss characters too op But yeah i agree this design doesnt fit her aesthetic at all
I made a similar comment, but unlike you, I don't think her lore and design depict her as a "end of the world level threat". I can think of about 20 characters that feel stronger or as strong as her... If she was really meant to be the end of Runeterra, I don't think she would look like that.
@@arnauzer she is literally the final boss of the void which is like the biggest threat in runeterra what do u mean you dont depict her as an end of the world level threat.. this whole event thats coming is based on her
@@mlinxl9090 she literally says "I am no mindless Voidspawn" but her kit reflects the opposite
Love the content man, keep up the great work! I honestly can't decide whether she's overloaded or whether the specific implications of her kit gives her enough drawbacks to compensate for the highs. Either way she looks pretty fun. Sylas stealing her ult is hilarious, too
The voidlings in her ult are meant to encourage her to take objectives I think since she's a jungler, similar to shyvana's passive in a way
Sadly it's only forcing you to play around top side rather than all objectives
there is disconnect from what we see her do in the trailer, but i will be playing her. way more exited for her than zeri and renata combined.
based on her trailer i expected a hit and blink knockback, corruption where the wall gets turned into grabby hands by her ability not unlike viego makes mist puddles and some form of mind control/distortion...i expected like a nearsight or an illusiion of some kind.
Viego:
-A king
-Jungler
-Major threat to Runeterra
-Rival is an ADC
-Has healing ability activeable upon enemy takedown
-High DPS
-Lots of mobility
-Manaless
-Black mist
-Bad event
Bel'veth:
-An empress
-Jungler
-Major threat to Runeterra
-Rival is an ADC
-Has healing ability activeable upon enemy takedown
-High DPS
-Lots of mobility
-Manaless
-Lavender sea
-Good event?
The Distortion World theme from Pokemon Platinum is extremely fitting when talking about the _Empress of the Void_
Good design. Her e can be cancelled (know u didn't know this at the time) and the aoe range isn't that big so it can be played around even though it being instant gives her good control over it. So it has both skill expression and weaknesses for enemies to exploit.
W is simple and great and for a fighter/skirmisher the reset is nice to stick on targets.
The Q is great design wise as it's easy to balance just be adjusting how much attack speed lowers it's CDs and the base CDs themselves.
Her having no R (both in dmg and passive effects) means she can have a good base kit with just underwhelming numbers to balance her as a scaling champ.
Basically she has good levers to balance around and good counterplay against her kit. Her e being able to be cancelled makes her worse than ire and yi in teamfight diving so the voidlings really helps her with that split push and 1v1 playstyle.
Also, the whole theme kinda feels like a miss. She's a giant flying mouth but all her mechanics are about punching.
Glad to see you're still kicking brother. Just do work that you're proud of. All that matters.
I honestly don't really like E and the wave spawn in her ult. Her E is weird to me because she is really hyper mobile and then she just has an ability that locks her in place, of course Irelia and Yi also have this so idk. Her minion spawning though I feel like they were making her abilities and then at the end remembered she is a swarm queen and had to figure out a way to put it in because they were too far in the change it.
Her e is ok because as much as you think she is, she is not that mobile like ire or ys. She need her e to survive.
@@huealter3366 True, to me it just felt a little but awkward. I'm bad at the game though.
2:20 Bel'Veth is the "answer" to the durability update.
Think about it, they increased the survivability of all champions across the board only to introduce a champion with infinite true damage scaling. Riot introduced a "problem" so they could sell us a solution. We thought the durability update was them finally listening to the community, but nope, at the end of the day it was a marketing ploy.
I mean most void champs have true damage anyway
She seems really dull. Don't know why you'd pick her over master Yi, Katarina, Irelia and Yasuo, which all shares the rush down pentakill fantasy, but more coherently designed and more spice in their kits
Yeah yi has so much spice in pressing Q and auto attacking you to death
She attacks 6 times per second and has 4 dashes Viego r Kayn w and a 4 second semi Kayle r, she’s unique to say the least
She is not pentakill, she is split push
@@schierlingsbecher7778 oh stop coping. The ultimate means nothing
She doesn't have a resetting gap closer. That's a little sad
Vars used the Distortion World track in a video about Bel Veth. Hehe, that´s perfect.
Some thoughts on Bel'Veth from what I've seen in videos and streams:
Bel'Veth's ramping true dmg on her ult passive makes her objective damage really strong. When you are taking baron, rift herald, or dragon, you are sitting in one place and hitting the same target repetitively which would allow her to get a decent number of stacks from the true dmg. This also synergizes with the Void Remora part of her ult. Based on videos I've seen, the Void Remoras don't seem to be all that durable compared to minions so good waveclear should be able to do well against them. She's likely going to have a higher focus on objectives than other farming junglers because of the Void Remoras and her dmg to objectives.
The lack of untargettability on Bel'Veth's ult makes taking a Void Coral in a fight a very high risk high reward option. Most of the true dmg on it is from the missing hp portion, it only does 150-250 base + 100% AP but she likely won't build any AP outside of maybe dark seal and nashors. Since she incentivizes you to build for attack speed, on-hit, and damage, she's likely to be very squishy which furthers the high risk of taking the ult. The heal she gets is minimal, most of the regen would come from the bonus HP.
Riot August said that she is supposed to be a late game hypercarry, similar to Kayle. Her early game skirmishing is pretty mediocre since she doesn't have any attack speed and her early ganks are pretty much only held together by whether or not she can land the W knockup due to the lack of early game damage.
Her clear speed is solid once optimized based on Phylaris' video. She can 3:10 full clear from blue side and 3:17 from red side without a leash. However, this clear is very difficult to get these speeds with because of her Q angles. For reference, this is about as fast as Lee Sin and Ekko's red side full clear and close to Diana's blue side full clear.
It's annoying because I can't view them subjectively because I'm so baffled by the disconnect between her design and lore with her kit
As someone who literally mains every void monsters (and has Kaisa, Malza and Kassa in my top 20 most played), I was quite disappointed about how she was promoted.
I thought we were getting an absolute Unit, a final boss type of character like Aurelion or Mordekaiser. She ends up looking like a boss monster sure but at a similar level as Rek'sai or Renekton, and while that's nothing to laugh at... I was expecting something way stronger.
In the end, even in her lore she seems to be all talk, saying she will be better than the watcher etc... but in the end she doesn't feel that powerful. That's why i'm not too sad about how she turned out and not sad about her gameplay because she doesn't radiate that "Final boss" energy and feels like a monster that is too cocky for its own good.
So, in the end, unlike most people i'm not mad about what we got... but yeah she was marketed like so much more.
In her lore she's one of the most powerful characters in all of runeterra, Kaisa's entire deal is to hunt void monsters and her attacks are literally ineffective. Bel'veth toys with her and doesn't even regard her as a threat, when Kaisa's suit freaks out and shoots her she doesn't even react.
She's also a biological super computer, Kaisa says she can process a million thoughts in the time it takes her to blink.
She is insanely dangerous and powerful.
Just used her, pretty fun. After 3 items shes a monster and crazy single target destroyer. Her W is a great cc tool, buts its her Q is the bread and butter.
everyone is saying mage but, i thought she was going to take a spot in the painfully under-used AP bruiser class
Definitely expected an AP skirmisher kind. A skirmisher version of Elise is what I was expecting.
she has ap scaling so she could go ap, but ad is just way better on her
Her super void minion ult passive does make a lot of sense after playing her because as a jungler who would want a big push with hearld and someone who definitely wants a free ult without having to get a kill
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Her channel prolongs her passive stacks so yeah she is basically an irelia clone with q dash, w is aoe cc like irelia e, and vice versa for bel e and irelia w.
I wasn't expecting an auto attacker either. But I also think it's a lot cooler that she's a field commander that takes the fight head on than an aristocrat that just sits back while others do the the work (she's more like Kerrigan from Starcraft than Swain, who's a strategist)
If they are going to make an AA character REFLECT IT THE DESIGN, I'm not a designer but why would you make a manta ray an AA? There's not even any spikes on her
So they removed 5 Attack Speed kog'maw and now we got 7 attack Speed bel'veth
1:33 there is one issue, she instead of destroy, she recreates things she believes are better that way.
So her being a speedy skirmisher slowly breaking things down to recreate them seems fine,
Though I feel like pantheon should've e skirmisher to fit better with his lore and passively would walk tosward the fear source instead.
I personally was hoping she would be more of a mage or juggernaut that can convert jungle monsters into pets that fight for her, and the minion conversion portion of her ultimate is sort of like that which I like. Unfortunately it's not conducive to the rest of her kit and she looks annoyingly similar to Viego with how her kit doesn't mesh together very well and she has a reset mechanic. Character design-wise she's leagues (heh) above Viego, but her gameplay seems a bit lackluster in comparison.
i dont think riot would attempt to make monsters into pets ever again. It was a mess with mordekaiser's old kit
@@potatothings7223 Old Mordekaiser was a mess in general, nobody knew where he was supposed to go. A champion very clearly designed to be a jungler being able to control monsters would be fine IMO. Maybe rather than corrupting them into Void versions she would spawn pets by killing jungle monsters, and the Dragon would be the only one she actually corrupts?
The distortion world bgm matches with her
The only way this Champ is ever going to be not broken is if they make it so all healing effects are only half as effective on her. This is ridiculous.
It’s interesting her passive doesn’t flow well with lethal tempo so it. And also I personally think she doesn’t have great chase down power. Her dashes give good stick potential but like mord she isn’t great at catching up, just staying with you after she’s caught up
she feels more like a bruiser then an assassin or maybe a bit of both. When she gets the ult she definitely snowballs in a fight as she heals with EACH ult. its insane.
I think Bel'veth was pre-emptively designed to help in ending games after the durability patch. Everything about her just says 'take a long ass fight while waiting for baron minions to siege base' or 'stand still and hit it till it dies!'. Sure the actual execution doesn't feel fitting, but if the void lackeys exist to destroy minions and champions, it would make sense for the void boss to exist to destroy structures.
17 dashes to auto reset, knock up and slow to cripple skirmishers, steroids, infinite ramping true damage for objectives, free minions on baron, etc...
It would probably be easier to liken her kit to a Fiora without vitals and yorick ult instead
Short answer, no.
Her design, lore, and kit all conflict with each other. We all expected her to be like Malzahar but also like Renata. What we got was a jojo reference.
If her teasers focused on her being a predator that constantly feeds to become faster, it could have been fine.
But Riot kept teasing her as this Empress with mind control and swarm ability.
The reality is that she's mostly just a stabbing manta ray.
Mind control aspect doesn't exist at all while you'd be lucky to get the swarms more than twice per game.
As someome who looooves high attack speed, a champion dedicated to insane jojo/raiden numbers of slaps looks so fun!
Btw I think the Forbidden Idol item teased Bel'veth cause if u look closely monster in crystal is almost the same as her passive icon Death in Lavender. I think it was intentional
Good eye mate, Just looked it up and they changed the picture, you're right. The new Forbidden Idol has her passive in the crystal, the old Forbidden Idol just had some black tar heroin smathered on top of it.
POG TInjus is in the video ♥
6:28 no.
It's more akin to master yi's w, where he gets a ton of damage reduction while healing himself.
Fiddlestick heals around itself per time, and from what I saw thats the only reliable source of damage for it.
that is why I believe bel'veth's damage reduction should be replaced with a shield or not be there at all due the lifesteal and damage being enough.
VARS I don’t know if this was in the video I’m still watching but you mentioned her stacking lethal tempo instantly well, her e applies on hits at a % of their damage but doesn’t limit it for stacking like black cleaver so 1 e and she has fully stacked lethal tempo
Bel'Veth isn't the "progenitor" of the Void, she's the exact opposite.
I am adding this like 2 months later but it would have been cool if one of her abillities applied the berserker effect on an enemy since she was marketed as a mind controlling queen. Could be bad or not but yea
When I think about empress, I think about queen and the queen in chess is the most powerful unit on the board. Bel'veth, as long as she gets going like how the queen in chess can decimate the board when she's early released, oh boy, she will rekt the rift.
5:22 double scaling on character the sacrifaces damage for attackspeed, this unneded because again she has four, they could just have a 12 sec cooldown each.
I really hate her design, such a wasted opportunity. Expected her to be something like the zergs on StarCraft, that slowly consumes the rift, I even made a kit for her that personally fits better the void empress/world consumer theme
Pasive: Killing champions will spawn a void tumor and void minions. Enemies will explote and deal dmg to nearby enemies if they die in corruption.
Q-Void Swarm: Deals dmg to all enemies in range (similar to xerath Q but with less range) and slowing enemies. Enemies are rooted if they are on corrupted area
W-Void Portal: Leaves a trinked that pasively spawns void minions(similar to Zz'rot Portal), void minions will atack the same target as Bel'Veth if in range. Void minions attack faster and deal more dmg if on corruption
E-Living corruption: Leaves a void tumor creates corruption around it until destroyed(similar to Zergs creep tumor), needs a red trinked or control ward to clear it, also corrupted area give vision only to Bel'Veth and invisible champs are detected (similar to what red trinked does). While in corruption, Bel'Veth gains stealth, attack speed and move speed.
R-The Empress of the void: Bel'veth transforms for X duration and gains extra vision range and health. While in this form void minions spawn around her. Can no longer gain stealth from corruption
I do remember faintly, me and my friend talking about “lore-based” champions once, the best I can interpret this would be, the champions may have some lore stuff in-game, like how Akshan can use his gun to revive teammates
I guess I'm just put off by her playstyle. I mean, you have a huge void monster. The monster of monsters. She's menacing and intelligent.
And she just slaps you around with her wings? She's an AS champ? It looks goofy and doesn't really fit her. And it's not just a goofy auto animation. It's central to how she plays. I don't like it. She's has a giant, gaping maw full of teeth and never uses it. Why not save this concept for a different champ kit? The kit is strong and looks fun to play, as a kit. But it feels out of place on her. I think they should have definitely leaned on her summoning potential. We don't have enough champs that can summon minions and this was the perfect opportunity to bring one in. As it is, she can summon, yes. But it's so conditional that it's more of special treat than a staple ability. You could play and win an entire match and never summon your minions.
I wish she worked by creating minions in her human form and her ulti consumed her pets for a ulti. In no way does she feel like a swarm. The word they were looking for is flurry.
I swear if I hear one more person say "she might be overloaded but she seems fun to play" imma lose it, it's not about her being fun to play, it's about her being fun to play and fair to play against. I don't understand how these people don't understand that an overloaded champ just ruins it for everyone but the person playing, and she might just get nerfed to the ground if she's Perma banned and cancer to play against.
She is a late game champ, so just crush her early on and roll a big snowball for your team before she reach her full power. Just like how you deal with a kayle.
@@huealter3366 she doesn't seem like a late game champ, she seems like farming jgl so she can power spike at level 6 even.
@@garou9914 She seems like a late game champ because of her ult passive, if the game ends early then she's literally never gonna summon voidlings and if she does then she's barely gonna push since jgls have to focus on farming early game. Her kit is just clunky. And actually the whole point of a champion is that they are fun to play lmao, noones playing something thats boring af or weak, hence why (with her disappointing kit) people want her to atleast be strong so they have a reason to play her.
@@garou9914 She's a late game champ 😑
@@longbread3593 "the point of champs is being fun to play..."
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It the same issue with viego that lore and teasers seem like a “subversion of expectations” which is fine if kept to a minimum
The only part I think is too much is the void remoras. Best thing I could think of is just making it like Swain ult and give her a single cast of remora per void coral consumed
Hope they eventualy rework her or make a champion that delivers the map corrupting, swarm spawning fantasy.
Im waiting for "monsters/void" champions for so long and this one is a complete letdown in pretty much everything.
I think Bel'veth's design +lore and her kit are mostly fine BUT they don't belong on the same champion
Question: will there be a video about new mini rework for Taliyah?
And here I was, practicing Malzahar and Yorick jungle until her release, envisioning her to be this hive mind queen who builds a ravenous army of voidlings from the corpses of jungle camps only emerging from the jungle with the full force of the Void to swarm the enemy.
Instead, we got Muda muda Ora ora. Are mages that hard to make, Riot? Q_Q
Me personally, at least from a design perspective, I love that killing a void epic monster grants zz'rot. Thematically consistent as well.
What I dislike about it is that it grants yorick's ult's passive effect. I think it would be better, and much easier to balance around by giving her a "spawn voidling every x seconds," rather than "ship out voidlings by the buttload if you ever encounter a built up wave." Even yorick had a cap on the number he can pop out at one time.
That idea would be so much more interesting and skill expressive than another multi dash auto attack champion
@@ethanstyant9704 As much as I'm a sucker for praise... there's not really a lot of skill expression with a totally passive effect. Maybe in knowing where to stand so that it doesn't expose your jungle route. It's got issues that would need to be worked out.
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I thought she was gonna be horde motivated how wrong was i
Welp, we will do the Armstrong meme with her, if it wasn't done already
9:15 - Steroid Ultimates! Theres a pretty cool video idea! Personally it's my favorite type of ultimate, I love going all "this isn't even my final form" on people!
Viego was the reason I started playing league, got 100k mastery points on him and still mastery 5. 40k points on belveth and I'm m7, last token coming from an ap support game, idk if that means the characters broken but fuck if she isn't fun as hell
looks fun im gonna play her
7:58 but the bigger question is, is she still countered by said character class, but just can deal with them.
Id say yeah beacuse most of hea damage is her autos so if she can't catch them, maelstorm can be a fix, it's just why the damage reduction? shes already healing why give her more tankyness.
I just realized that her trying to kill a rammus would be hilarious
I think the reason WHY her kit looks like that, because she is split pusher.
I mean think about it. Mostly her kit is around "kill one target fast then return to farming". This is why she got her pets to help her push.
Yes she kinda feels 200 years but if you look on most of abilities they are really short ranged. Good in 1v1 or 1v2 combat when you want to push other lane. But like Tryndamere kinda bad vs more targets.
Tbh, idk if she is well balenced, but it's her sieging ability that seems so fun when she eats an even more suspiciously candy. The rest of her kit can go an i will be happy, just let me summon a horde of minions after taking rift baron or dragon
we all got clowned by riot🤡🤡 who else expected her to be a mage centered around mind control and fish swarm???
I wanted evil ivern :(
yess that would have been phenomenon
Blame how Riot teased her.
Almost every teaser was about her lavender sea and void fishes
It was almost impossible to not think that the void fishes would play a bigger part in her gameplay.
And the leaked ability (which was pretty close so people now think ti must have been her early design or something) showed her passive was collecting coral to produce swarms.
No one was expecting a pure AA champion.
With the udy rework coming up, vars do you think they would still create a new champion who has 6 abilities like elise, nidalee and jayce in the future? I cant count gnar because he is not proactive. Not counting heimer and karma too.
her ult voidlings are affected by baron buff :DDDDD
Kind of a strange take here, but her kit feels very similar to some of the conversations around Sett's release, and almost all of them around Seraphine's, about how they felt like they should have been reworks for Vi and Sona respectively. Her kit feels like it could (and imo should) have been the starting point around a Shyvana rework, just swapping out the stingray for a dragon.
10:38 yoda: Greed, Strong with this one
Can we get a Part 2 because of her numbers and info? I feel like this came to early
imagine the spacegliders on Bel'Veth
Seems weird to have her as a engage melee. She should be more like Swain's role as a leader, mid range, attack+support, and then super sayan mode when required. Seems so weird to have her as AS champ ...