reasons why alot of people buy replica rims is because companies/used car parts selling authentic wheels at a very high mark up price. the jdm tax is beyond comprehandable, 3k usd authentic te37 reach malaysia become 6k usd
I noticed when I was in Thailand back in 2019, every car and truck was modded. I also did point out that every car has TE37s. I was skeptical about it the entire time!
It is a very common thing in countries like Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia, among many others. They are generally more accessible to folks for reaching the aesthetic, rather than the real ones, so most chances you see a famous brands' wheels on a random passenger cars, then often times they are replicas. I mean, the real thing usually have astronomically high price (for example, a brand new original set of Work Emotion ZR10 costed an equivalent of a 150cc motorbike in Indonesia)
Sya guna lenso limited edition smpai skrng,so far so good..Rim ori bila dh msuk pasaran malaysia harga melambung smpai awan dsbbkn stngh company mngaut untung hmpir 70% dri harga sbnar...x smua mmpu beli rim ori.
I not buy only rims but I buy the value inside. I pay for show respect to the designers, Quality, Performance and when I go to car meet I can say “It’s real original”.
38 years living on this earth I've never heard any single accident caused by replica rims 🙊 but i agreed: some balancing issue (not all), experience it myself
Thank you for the detail explanation. No matter what a knock-off is still a knock-off. The problem here is there's no straight law enforcement against counterfeit, piracy and copyright in MY no wonder they sell fake rims openly on the shelf. They are peoples trade in their stock rims which are the good rigid one that built acc. to mfr specification to some inferior one from unknown origin and that are overpriced just for the sake of the look itself. I suppose we have still a long way to go to get the right mindset on what authenticity and safety of a product is all about.
For track, authentic no doubt. For the street either is fine. Nobody is breaking replicas on the street. I had replicas of OEM S2000 wheels, then had them powder coated which I was told by the internet it would weaken them. Well after 5yrs of hard mountain drives and trips to tail of the dragon, guess what? The s2000 never had a wheel issue ever.
In my country, an original set of enkei wheels are about US$3.6k, where replicas come at about 400 bucks. The difference is absurd. I got mine second hand from a friend who sold it for me less than half the original price, after using for about 3 years, otherwise I would buy a replica.
The truth is original rim are made for racing, thats why its called "sports rim". But 99% people who change rims are just for looks.if you roll out in Sepang for time attack obviously go for originals. But if you just cruising 150kmj on the highway replica should be fine. Most important is tires as many people cheap on the tire to reduce overall cost. This is the real problem on safety and reliability
Very honest review. My don't doubt the quality of material used nowadays cause they basically come from the original manufacturers factories. I do have issues with wheel balancing though, which is why I rather buy original rims. Anyway I rather use stock rims than buy replicas or lesser known brands just because its affordable. Nothing is cheap if you want quality.
My opinion.. if you cant buy original rims never buy replicas, stick with stock rims instead. buying replicas can compromise your safety. keep in mind. that rims and tires are the things that connects your car to the road, so that makes it the most important part of a vehicle. Buying cheap and knock offs replicas aren't safe. it tends to break in a long use. given the fact that it never goes through a rigorous test like the authentic kinds, so you cant trust its quality and durability. there are lots of quality rims that aren't expensive as Volk Rays, like Rota, XXR, konig, ESR.. buy these rims instead of replicas.
@baby amaReally!?? I heard a lot, and a friend of mine actually did had an accident, when his knock off te37 cracked and punctured the inner side wall of his front tire, that causes it to blow up, he loses control and ended up swerving on the other side of the road. Fortunately he survived. These replicas tend to crack and break. Authentic rims bent.
Konig wheels make authentic wheels but Rotas, XXR and ESR make replica wheels. Nothing wrong with buying replica's wheels. Some folks can't afford the real deal so they just buy replica wheels.
Totally agree with you. It would be more accurate to call them knock-off rims, especially since you have no idea what kind of quality you’re buying with replicas. There’s a reason the real thing costs the amount that it does. Replicas might be fine for a boulevard cruiser, but if you intend to demand any kind of serious performance from them you should never take the risk. Cracking a rim at high speed can turn real ugly, real fast.
not all replica rims are bad...the most important thing is to know which brands produce good quality replica rims. but still i dont recommend replica rims if u want to track your car or u always drive ur car at limit..
I agree with you. There's nothing wrong of buying replicas rim since not all of us don't afford to buy the authentic one but bear in mind, don't expect much because what you pay is what you will get. Until today, i still stick with my stock rim because safety is more important compare to the look.
you do know Jdm cars are slammed to the ground no one is gonna jack your car up 😂😂😂 like NO ONE ☝️ if your car isnt low then put all 24 lock nuts if not then thats your problem but you could have a 2nd car for everyday use and the jdm car as a time to time use if thats your way to roll but i wouldn’t worry cuz my car would be way to low to ever try to jack it up 😂🤣😂🤦🏻♂️ and i would also have all 24 lock nuts so yeah no one is gonna steal that shit
I personally don't think replica wheels are a problem if the quality is good. I want the look but not willing to pay the price if I'm not racing. Counterfeits wouldn't be an issue if manufacturers made cheaper options of the same wheel.
My honest opinion about replicas are.. they are actually stealing design from the original maker and this is unfair as their sales and reputation will be affected.
Well spoke mate this clears allot im a fan off originals rims more but replica rims are also cheaper but still i like the orginal once again nice video mate much love from amsterdam have a good day...😊😊
Why original branded wheels are expensive? A genuine TE37 with good offset for AE86 can cost up to RM8000. What so much you say? Usually the original wheels are made from a single piece of metal. Then means they remove and shape the metal to get the final product. This takes time. The machine that does that are also expensive. That is the core price of the wheels. The painting/ finishing are probably not much different than wheels made by casting method. Then there is also proprietary trademark color. Replica wheels usually does not have uniform paint color between batches. But original does. So a TE37 made in year 2000 would be the same color/hue as the one made in 2020. Also only closer inspection you can see the different finishing of the paint and visible cast lines of the replica product.
honestly those original rim made for those who got ton of money and know the 'real taste' of quality and replica for people who actually just want to looks as good as original rim without going to broke up their pocket with simply not much care about the performance of the wheels
in turkey, there are broken replica rims when they re drifting on streets etc. i saw too many examples of broken replicas, especially 17 or higher inches.
he speaks w/ honesty replica rims nowadays gets better and better performance i hd s16 vr4 version of magwheels and replica volkrays s15 in terms of performance running at a speed of 80-140kph curvy to str8 road.. theres no difference between d two..
I have no idea what you said but I’m assuming you’re saying the difference between replica and “real” wheels is marginal. You’re absolutely WRONG. The Light weight and the strength between the two are like night and day. The process in which the rays wheels are made is second to none.
ive been using replica rims for my cars, i have not encountered any problems so far. original rims are just too expensive . a slight scracth on orig wheels wont let me sleep for days
Jz my 2cents opinion. Perhaps it makes sense to performance cars expecially to race. But low power n light cars that most ppl use, i guess it won't matter
Kena tahu knapa jenama2 rim terkenal buat dkt negara2 lain...sbb dorang bt mcm tu adalah untuk cut cost..contoh konig dri usa,,klau dia import dri usa agak2 kita nk beli tak 1 set rim hrga hmpir 10k?jdi dia cri kilang dkt china yg blh bt rim ringan dn kos rendh dn blh jual serata dunia..cuma mmg klau dpt dri usa mmg ada beza dri china..
Lol, I think Rays TE37 or BBS RI-A, FI-R etc are extreme example, not to mention BBS RI-D made of 7075. They are day and night even compared to "regular forged" with pre-forged billet + CNC cut spokes. They are the "real forged" throughout the manufacturing process, another reason they are limited to the few iconic classic designs, limited to few popular sizes, and 3-4 times the price of "regular forged". Nevertheless the replicas.
My man, u speak so much but all non technical. Car rims r require to undergo testing in EU~ there is a stipulated set of standard requirements; basically material mechanical strength, material fatigue at bend/impact/twisting etc. Material science - forge vs cast = mechanical properties r different. Forged is thermal cutting to shape from billet vs cast whereby molten metal is set in shape-by these different processes, high temperatures change the lattice metal structure. Henceforth, forge is always stronger than cast n easier to passed strength/fatigue tests. Therefore more expensive - R/D involved in shape/thickness for strengthening/bracing n heat dissipation vs replica(copy-no R/D, further weaker material) will always be cheaper. However, do note when cornering, the centipedal/centrifugal forces act upon the spokes of the rims whilst frictional/traction reaction turned against directional momentum-therefore the rim undertakes a multidirectional forces accentuated at cornering. So, some lousy replicas failed poorly. FYI - worked in testing field b4.
Bla, bla, bla, not many people want to know d depth and can comprehend the details. Most people aware of what u taking about, Jeff is just sharing more of field and user common experiences. Go and just show off ur info over ur teh tarik friends
@@rickrochel8170 Well, I know you r oxymoronic- if most people already aware of metallurgy properties of heat exchanges n testing requirements; then we testing people would be unemployed. Do u know that this is an “e mark” requirement in EU and rims without this “e mark” cannot be sold there as per safety standards. I deal with the public(businessman n professionals) concerning testing daily ~ and I can tell you; those “Melayu” engineers(Proton) cannot understand the basic S/S relationship; least to understand cementite and pearlite of microstructure of metal. You underrated peoples’ interests ~ you don’t need to understand the complexities of a mobile phone: better cameras for photo and microchip speed/ram memory for gaming. Same as you don’t need to understand working of ABS/EB/VSC to know safety of a car.
@@nexusgoh Just not making an argument ~ daily use car or a performance enhanced car; a set good rims is essential because of incidentals as potholes and unfortunate accidents. On these occasions, the rims takes a tremendous impact. The logic is don’t be “pennies wise, pounds foolish”. Also in Malaysia - the unwise opt for small fuel efficient car = kancil, savy, saga as “run around” cars. These cars r most unsafe if a head on accident occurs - they r “death trap”. It is better to have 1 meal lesser, 1 clothes lesser than risk lives in a “death trap”.
@@angxiang3186 standard ASTM complimce is sufficient for normal used. I u have fascination and admiration of ur deep knowledge, u dont have to impose that as nominal requirement for general use. Jeff is explaining the general guidlines and top tips for general users. If u want to debate and show ur prowess, the list goes on and on debating metallurgy properties and various governing standards. On a separate note, dont make things more complex for non complex audience its defeating the purpose on relaying awareness to people. U channel ur energy in other academic forum
Disgusting to recommend fake rims and call yourself "King of Rims" The wheels are the only things connecting the cars to the road and cannot be compromised. This is a safety issue. Not an opinion issue
Just as with coilovers years back, BC and FA were trash brands. Now they are some of the most regarded. A wheel example is ESR. They started out as a ebay brand and now makes very strong multi-piece wheels. Ultimately for pros in autosport don't care half the time who sponsors them. They'll run whatever as long as they can race. The branding played a heavier degree in the 80-90s in Japan. And to this day all us Americans want to do is keep up with Asia and Japan because we never had as much access to the same stuff. We'll be the first to not fix a $100 timing chain issue but buy 4000 LMGT4s then have buyers remorse and sell it for 3k. 🤦🏽♂️
Kind of reminds me of Rota. They used to be known for low quality knock off wheels but now I see on their website that they are making flow forged wheels.
Haiya, replica rim or ori rim still better than those idiots buying cheap big brembo brake, ap racing n etc, that one even worst n dangerous on the road. Rim break still have 3 sides rim n tyre to help u, brake break, then u GG n buy coffin.
No money to afford original rims, stick to standard kilang rims laaa.......made in Thailand laa, China laa, Taiwan laaa...replica is replica unless certain brands like Lenso, Advanti.. Recently the case of Ori Thai sport rims issue on Facebook....hear also laugh...Worst combo seen at tyre shops is some people using replica rims already not enough, somore can use lousy brand tyres....see also laugh...
yes we can tell the difference. specially when picking them up. why dont yall just manufacture your own styles instead of copying of manufacturers hard work and designs? I mean is it really that hard to be original these days? Theres a reason people buy Rays wheels and its for their durability. im sorry but theres not a Volk/Gram lights rep out there that can compete in that department. theres a reaason why a lot of FD cars run gram lights and TEs...
this is the way i see if IF you RACE,DRIFT ETc competition style ,Track etc get real wheels...if you DONT race and just daily drive on the street etc car meets etc... get the reps... other wise COMPLETE waste of money. I have more respect for those that daily and meet up with reps...
If it's not forged it's a forgery. Interesting to watch the brief shot of the forging process. Always imagined it glowing red hot while hammers increased the density of the metal. Supposed to be a guy who looks like Thor with a big hammer. Actually just torches keeping it hot while it's on a lathe. Kinda lame. Could destroy a real wheel and a fake in a hydraulic press and compare the failure points.
unless i am going to race or drift I am not going to buy originals for my shitbox 93 celica. I have reps for 8 years now to make my car look better and I haven't had issues so far. even balancing them was very easy.
Rather pay for original design of less popular brands instead of replicas if cannot afford ori..i value the effort to create something rather than blatant copying
I'm racing on Street I'm not fighting for F1 seat or championship, if I bend rims that I bought set of them for 600£, I will buy next one. if I bend orginal one I will have take loan its just not worth it for my purpose.
commonly instead of the differential by the price , first try to seek for the physical defect at the rim , then surely the weight , emblem or sticker marking , the spelling and lastly the paint quality of course . for sure your eye will notice it . it's easier when you already owns or had experience in wearing an original rim such as TE37 . and last not least , when you driving you will notice it
I understand Forged wheels may be much higher quality than cheaper cast wheels, also way more expensive. In regard to quality though, my 2023 Subaru BRZ has original factory cast alloy wheels 18 x 7 that are made in China, so how bad can a good quality "replica" cast wheel be when compared to these? If you're not competing and you only want to change the look to personalise your car, is the quality of replicas so bad? Mag wheels have been made for years and I didn't think anyone complained about the quality before, especially now modern manufacturing techniques should have improved this. Or am I overlooking the fact people don't give a rats about quality and will knock out any old rubbish to feed demand and make money.
Here In Malaysia, where most folk love the cheapest things with no consideration for their environment, safety, health and consumer rights. Our income is too low, and cost of living soars to new york grade bullshit. Folks are stressed out to the point where binge spenders and drug addicts are everywhere across. This is why in here we have a lot of trash brands for tech, massive disposable vape black market, fake skincare products and "sport rims" that crack under the sun. On the side note, the infamous Top Gear episode where Jeremy thrashed malaysian cars with an actual explosion claiming the company were profit hungry, malaysians were quite mad about it but consumers seemingly only care for the lowest price with no understanding of planned obsolescence has lead to everyone being poor, prideful and stupid.
If you want replicas. Go rota. People even race with rotas. They copied the design. But they pass wheel testing. Youd be surprised that probably the stock wheel of your bnew car is actually a rota.
Had an experience with RP10X. lightweight and strong. Had an accident that end up hitting the curb, to the point that my car went up the air for a bit. However, only the outer protection lip is bent, the whole structure rigidity is retained. Went to rim repair shop to sort out the bent lip, all good till now. Since then, I've recommended the flow form rims from this brand to my friends. Great quality and wont break your bank account. Real great product
reasons why alot of people buy replica rims is because companies/used car parts selling authentic wheels at a very high mark up price. the jdm tax is beyond comprehandable, 3k usd authentic te37 reach malaysia become 6k usd
I noticed when I was in Thailand back in 2019, every car and truck was modded. I also did point out that every car has TE37s. I was skeptical about it the entire time!
It is a very common thing in countries like Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia, among many others. They are generally more accessible to folks for reaching the aesthetic, rather than the real ones, so most chances you see a famous brands' wheels on a random passenger cars, then often times they are replicas. I mean, the real thing usually have astronomically high price (for example, a brand new original set of Work Emotion ZR10 costed an equivalent of a 150cc motorbike in Indonesia)
Sya guna lenso limited edition smpai skrng,so far so good..Rim ori bila dh msuk pasaran malaysia harga melambung smpai awan dsbbkn stngh company mngaut untung hmpir 70% dri harga sbnar...x smua mmpu beli rim ori.
I not buy only rims but I buy the value inside. I pay for show respect to the designers, Quality, Performance and when I go to car meet I can say “It’s real original”.
None of them give a fuck fyi
I think this is very good consumer advice.
Helpful and honest. Thanks so much for the sharing
38 years living on this earth I've never heard any single accident caused by replica rims 🙊
but i agreed: some balancing issue (not all), experience it myself
@Global Communications couldn't agree more
Thank you for the detail explanation. No matter what a knock-off is still a knock-off. The problem here is there's no straight law enforcement against counterfeit, piracy and copyright in MY no wonder they sell fake rims openly on the shelf. They are peoples trade in their stock rims which are the good rigid one that built acc. to mfr specification to some inferior one from unknown origin and that are overpriced just for the sake of the look itself. I suppose we have still a long way to go to get the right mindset on what authenticity and safety of a product is all about.
Make the original wheels affordable, a design made in 90's, can't cost 4k for a set of wheels!!!!
it’s the fact they’re light, that’s really it
Original cost more because of material and strict rules in production to make sure it is safe to use.
Costs a lot more than normal cast wheels to make so it's obviously going to be double the price or more
It's forged bro, even the forged motorcycle rims cost about RM2K+ front & rear..
Lol. Want cheap. Want ori. Want quality. You ok ah?
For track, authentic no doubt. For the street either is fine. Nobody is breaking replicas on the street. I had replicas of OEM S2000 wheels, then had them powder coated which I was told by the internet it would weaken them. Well after 5yrs of hard mountain drives and trips to tail of the dragon, guess what? The s2000 never had a wheel issue ever.
In my country, an original set of enkei wheels are about US$3.6k, where replicas come at about 400 bucks. The difference is absurd. I got mine second hand from a friend who sold it for me less than half the original price, after using for about 3 years, otherwise I would buy a replica.
They're 150 to 550 each in the US. Your country must have really high import taxes.
I really appreciate the honesty and great information.
The truth is original rim are made for racing, thats why its called "sports rim". But 99% people who change rims are just for looks.if you roll out in Sepang for time attack obviously go for originals. But if you just cruising 150kmj on the highway replica should be fine. Most important is tires as many people cheap on the tire to reduce overall cost. This is the real problem on safety and reliability
Very honest review. My don't doubt the quality of material used nowadays cause they basically come from the original manufacturers factories. I do have issues with wheel balancing though, which is why I rather buy original rims. Anyway I rather use stock rims than buy replicas or lesser known brands just because its affordable. Nothing is cheap if you want quality.
Agreed,stock rim is better than replica
My opinion.. if you cant buy original rims never buy replicas, stick with stock rims instead. buying replicas can compromise your safety. keep in mind. that rims and tires are the things that connects your car to the road, so that makes it the most important part of a vehicle. Buying cheap and knock offs replicas aren't safe. it tends to break in a long use. given the fact that it never goes through a rigorous test like the authentic kinds, so you cant trust its quality and durability.
there are lots of quality rims that aren't expensive as Volk Rays, like Rota, XXR, konig, ESR.. buy these rims instead of replicas.
@baby amaReally!?? I heard a lot, and a friend of mine actually did had an accident, when his knock off te37 cracked and punctured the inner side wall of his front tire, that causes it to blow up, he loses control and ended up swerving on the other side of the road. Fortunately he survived.
These replicas tend to crack and break. Authentic rims bent.
Konig wheels make authentic wheels but Rotas, XXR and ESR make replica wheels. Nothing wrong with buying replica's wheels. Some folks can't afford the real deal so they just buy replica wheels.
Totally agree with you. It would be more accurate to call them knock-off rims, especially since you have no idea what kind of quality you’re buying with replicas. There’s a reason the real thing costs the amount that it does.
Replicas might be fine for a boulevard cruiser, but if you intend to demand any kind of serious performance from them you should never take the risk. Cracking a rim at high speed can turn real ugly, real fast.
not all replica rims are bad...the most important thing is to know which brands produce good quality replica rims. but still i dont recommend replica rims if u want to track your car or u always drive ur car at limit..
I agree with you. There's nothing wrong of buying replicas rim since not all of us don't afford to buy the authentic one but bear in mind, don't expect much because what you pay is what you will get. Until today, i still stick with my stock rim because safety is more important compare to the look.
Buy expensive Original rims can be headache also, always thinking it might be stolen everytime unless there is a solution to keep it safe.
just buy lugnut with special lock
Buying replica is not helping to keep your more valuable car safe as well. 😂
at least it is guaranteed safe to use 😂 buy replica rims also headache trying to avoid potholes on the road🤣
you do know Jdm cars are slammed to the ground no one is gonna jack your car up 😂😂😂 like NO ONE ☝️ if your car isnt low then put all 24 lock nuts if not then thats your problem but you could have a 2nd car for everyday use and the jdm car as a time to time use if thats your way to roll but i wouldn’t worry cuz my car would be way to low to ever try to jack it up 😂🤣😂🤦🏻♂️ and i would also have all 24 lock nuts so yeah no one is gonna steal that shit
Put a cheap brand sticker over it. E.g JRD wheel😂
I personally don't think replica wheels are a problem if the quality is good. I want the look but not willing to pay the price if I'm not racing. Counterfeits wouldn't be an issue if manufacturers made cheaper options of the same wheel.
It would be nice to see it side by side, their short cut away to replica was soo short I could barely get how 🤔 different these things are.
My honest opinion about replicas are.. they are actually stealing design from the original maker and this is unfair as their sales and reputation will be affected.
Alot of people don't think about this unfortunately
replica is just a nicer way of saying RIPOFF
I doubt it. The person spending $175 a piece on Rota Grids isn't going to spend $700 a piece on real Volk TE37s.
Well spoke mate this clears allot im a fan off originals rims more but replica rims are also cheaper but still i like the orginal once again nice video mate much love from amsterdam have a good day...😊😊
Why original branded wheels are expensive? A genuine TE37 with good offset for AE86 can cost up to RM8000. What so much you say? Usually the original wheels are made from a single piece of metal. Then means they remove and shape the metal to get the final product. This takes time. The machine that does that are also expensive. That is the core price of the wheels. The painting/ finishing are probably not much different than wheels made by casting method. Then there is also proprietary trademark color. Replica wheels usually does not have uniform paint color between batches. But original does. So a TE37 made in year 2000 would be the same color/hue as the one made in 2020. Also only closer inspection you can see the different finishing of the paint and visible cast lines of the replica product.
All excellent questions and I'm glad you asked.
honestly those original rim made for those who got ton of money and know the 'real taste' of quality and replica for people who actually just want to looks as good as original rim without going to broke up their pocket with simply not much care about the performance of the wheels
Def very helpful information !!! thx for sharing that
in turkey, there are broken replica rims when they re drifting on streets etc. i saw too many examples of broken replicas, especially 17 or higher inches.
he speaks w/ honesty replica rims nowadays gets better and better performance i hd s16 vr4 version of magwheels and replica volkrays s15 in terms of performance running at a speed of 80-140kph curvy to str8 road.. theres no difference between d two..
I have no idea what you said but I’m assuming you’re saying the difference between replica and “real” wheels is marginal. You’re absolutely WRONG. The Light weight and the strength between the two are like night and day. The process in which the rays wheels are made is second to none.
@@joelopez5018 u are correct..forging process need expensive machines and complex processes
ive been using replica rims for my cars, i have not encountered any problems so far. original rims are just too expensive . a slight scracth on orig wheels wont let me sleep for days
i use stock.. no issue of any;)
Jz my 2cents opinion. Perhaps it makes sense to performance cars expecially to race. But low power n light cars that most ppl use, i guess it won't matter
90% of cars don't need a new rim beside the original one. However, we all want to personalize our cars even if it's for the worst.
@@wbtoo6945, that means everybody will be driving stock cars. How boring life would be.
FACTS: Replica rims are getting better nowadays.
I’m sorry, just no. There’s no R&D behind all these replicas. Buying replicas are in no help to improve proper engineering and R&D.
Go ahead and buy it for the looks. Sure you'll be satisfied then.
In term of strength, probably yes. But you dont want a extremely heavy rim on your car.
Yes even manufacture rims send to China or Taiwan to make theirs rims nowadays. Just need to search a good factory that produces replica rims.
Kena tahu knapa jenama2 rim terkenal buat dkt negara2 lain...sbb dorang bt mcm tu adalah untuk cut cost..contoh konig dri usa,,klau dia import dri usa agak2 kita nk beli tak 1 set rim hrga hmpir 10k?jdi dia cri kilang dkt china yg blh bt rim ringan dn kos rendh dn blh jual serata dunia..cuma mmg klau dpt dri usa mmg ada beza dri china..
very well explained. from philippines🙂
Lol, I think Rays TE37 or BBS RI-A, FI-R etc are extreme example, not to mention BBS RI-D made of 7075. They are day and night even compared to "regular forged" with pre-forged billet + CNC cut spokes. They are the "real forged" throughout the manufacturing process, another reason they are limited to the few iconic classic designs, limited to few popular sizes, and 3-4 times the price of "regular forged". Nevertheless the replicas.
Thanks for sharing. It’s a great influential video! You look like LKY when he was younger :-)
There’s a reason why they’re expensive. I’ve personally seen replica wheels explode and the car crash.
Rim or tyre exploded?
One front original W212 Mercedes-Benz Facelift E250 2014 costs me RM5,600!😩
Thank you and very useful information.
can do a video on branded forged vs custom forged rims?
My man, u speak so much but all non technical. Car rims r require to undergo testing in EU~ there is a stipulated set of standard requirements; basically material mechanical strength, material fatigue at bend/impact/twisting etc.
Material science - forge vs cast = mechanical properties r different. Forged is thermal cutting to shape from billet vs cast whereby molten metal is set in shape-by these different processes, high temperatures change the lattice metal structure. Henceforth, forge is always stronger than cast n easier to passed strength/fatigue tests. Therefore more expensive - R/D involved in shape/thickness for strengthening/bracing n heat dissipation vs replica(copy-no R/D, further weaker material) will always be cheaper. However, do note when cornering, the centipedal/centrifugal forces act upon the spokes of the rims whilst frictional/traction reaction turned against directional momentum-therefore the rim undertakes a multidirectional forces accentuated at cornering. So, some lousy replicas failed poorly.
FYI - worked in testing field b4.
Bla, bla, bla, not many people want to know d depth and can comprehend the details. Most people aware of what u taking about, Jeff is just sharing more of field and user common experiences. Go and just show off ur info over ur teh tarik friends
@@rickrochel8170
Well, I know you r oxymoronic- if most people already aware of metallurgy properties of heat exchanges n testing requirements; then we testing people would be unemployed. Do u know that this is an “e mark” requirement in EU and rims without this “e mark” cannot be sold there as per safety standards.
I deal with the public(businessman n professionals) concerning testing daily ~ and I can tell you; those “Melayu” engineers(Proton) cannot understand the basic S/S relationship; least to understand cementite and pearlite of microstructure of metal.
You underrated peoples’ interests ~ you don’t need to understand the complexities of a mobile phone: better cameras for photo and microchip speed/ram memory for gaming. Same as you don’t need to understand working of ABS/EB/VSC to know safety of a car.
@@nexusgoh
Just not making an argument ~ daily use car or a performance enhanced car; a set good rims is essential because of incidentals as potholes and unfortunate accidents. On these occasions, the rims takes a tremendous impact. The logic is don’t be “pennies wise, pounds foolish”.
Also in Malaysia - the unwise opt for small fuel efficient car = kancil, savy, saga as “run around” cars. These cars r most unsafe if a head on accident occurs - they r “death trap”. It is better to have 1 meal lesser, 1 clothes lesser than risk lives in a “death trap”.
@@angxiang3186 standard ASTM complimce is sufficient for normal used. I u have fascination and admiration of ur deep knowledge, u dont have to impose that as nominal requirement for general use. Jeff is explaining the general guidlines and top tips for general users. If u want to debate and show ur prowess, the list goes on and on debating metallurgy properties and various governing standards. On a separate note, dont make things more complex for non complex audience its defeating the purpose on relaying awareness to people. U channel ur energy in other academic forum
@@rickrochel8170
Sadly ASTM does not cover this aspect and neither does UL- Underwriters Laboratories.
Great advice, thanks.
Disgusting to recommend fake rims and call yourself "King of Rims" The wheels are the only things connecting the cars to the road and cannot be compromised. This is a safety issue. Not an opinion issue
Hi Kings of Rims. Please do reviews and talk about tyres if possible
I drive a jza80… putting a rep wheels would be a sin but for my myvi..rep wheels would make more sense.
Just as with coilovers years back, BC and FA were trash brands. Now they are some of the most regarded.
A wheel example is ESR. They started out as a ebay brand and now makes very strong multi-piece wheels.
Ultimately for pros in autosport don't care half the time who sponsors them.
They'll run whatever as long as they can race.
The branding played a heavier degree in the 80-90s in Japan. And to this day all us Americans want to do is keep up with Asia and Japan because we never had as much access to the same stuff. We'll be the first to not fix a $100 timing chain issue but buy 4000 LMGT4s then have buyers remorse and sell it for 3k. 🤦🏽♂️
Kind of reminds me of Rota. They used to be known for low quality knock off wheels but now I see on their website that they are making flow forged wheels.
Thank you bro, good info 😊
THINK SAFETY...DONT BUY FAKE WHEELS
U buy original rim also a higher chance to be stolen. So just buy replica rim.
Its true bro
and compromise your safety? no way. id rather buy brands like rota. instead of replicas.
@@draneel009 Konig also nice.. but here it is made in china..but still..original.
95% of rims are made in the same factories....
@@draneel009 rotas are replicas my guy. 😂
Great presentation.
Well done , thank you very much
Haiya, replica rim or ori rim still better than those idiots buying cheap big brembo brake, ap racing n etc, that one even worst n dangerous on the road. Rim break still have 3 sides rim n tyre to help u, brake break, then u GG n buy coffin.
Buy what you can afford simple as that
Where can i get rep te37s
If not mistaken, replica rim nowadays made by flow form
No money to afford original rims, stick to standard kilang rims laaa.......made in Thailand laa, China laa, Taiwan laaa...replica is replica unless certain brands like Lenso, Advanti.. Recently the case of Ori Thai sport rims issue on Facebook....hear also laugh...Worst combo seen at tyre shops is some people using replica rims already not enough, somore can use lousy brand tyres....see also laugh...
i saw sport car but used tyres made in china that more see also laugh 🤣
Damn right, juz say 'fake' rims instead of replica, copy ori, ori thai, ori taiwan,
Thanks!
yes we can tell the difference. specially when picking them up. why dont yall just manufacture your own styles instead of copying of manufacturers hard work and designs? I mean is it really that hard to be original these days? Theres a reason people buy Rays wheels and its for their durability. im sorry but theres not a Volk/Gram lights rep out there that can compete in that department. theres a reaason why a lot of FD cars run gram lights and TEs...
replica rims sekarang xmcm dulu dh.. berbaloi beli..hrga murah..kualiti pun tinggi..
this is the way i see if IF you RACE,DRIFT ETc competition style ,Track etc get real wheels...if you DONT race and just daily drive on the street etc car meets etc... get the reps... other wise COMPLETE waste of money.
I have more respect for those that daily and meet up with reps...
Replica wheels give your car a weird look. Like uncanny valley effect because the car looks just slightly off and not quite right.
King, how about Prodrive GC version? Any replicas on this model?
Superb Info's in details.
If it's not forged it's a forgery.
Interesting to watch the brief shot of the forging process. Always imagined it glowing red hot while hammers increased the density of the metal.
Supposed to be a guy who looks like Thor with a big hammer.
Actually just torches keeping it hot while it's on a lathe. Kinda lame.
Could destroy a real wheel and a fake in a hydraulic press and compare the failure points.
unless i am going to race or drift I am not going to buy originals for my shitbox 93 celica. I have reps for 8 years now to make my car look better and I haven't had issues so far. even balancing them was very easy.
you did not discuss the issue of safety ? Important ?
Are you selling replicas rims as well?
This is a good content video.
If you buy high end rims and tires never give the shop your address. High chance of getting your car stolen.
in brazil original rims can beat 10x the minimum wage, replicas is around 1 to 3x
I’m going to order my first set of racing wheels from them !
Why can't replica rims follow the same forged process and sell them relatively cheaper?
They did, it called custom forged wheels.. mostly pre order depends on how you like to design it, mostly cost 6k-8k still expensinve
Rather pay for original design of less popular brands instead of replicas if cannot afford ori..i value the effort to create something rather than blatant copying
I would have no problem buying wheels from companies like Rota if they had their own designs. Swiping other companies designs is a big no-no for me.
So where we can buy Replica ?
What about flow forming thailand wheel
I'm racing on Street I'm not fighting for F1 seat or championship, if I bend rims that I bought set of them for 600£, I will buy next one. if I bend orginal one I will have take loan its just not worth it for my purpose.
What do u think of LRG rims ?
I'm thinking of buying a set of Enkei FC01 from you. Is your original or replica please? thanks
what are the color code of these rims?
I'm planning to buy after market wheels this video is so helpful
Could you all help me with my car rims design?
Don’t replace your 23 lb tire with a 30 lb tire and spend 4000 USD on 7lb lighter wheels. Lol.
what isthe price difference between original and replica?
Typically RM8K vs RM2k per set
Can range... Originals (depending on rim) can be anywhere between $1k-$3k+ whereas reps can be anywhere between $300-$1k
Usually 4-5 times the price difference.
original volk rays cost around 2000 to 7000$ while replicas Cost 200 to 800$.
commonly instead of the differential by the price , first try to seek for the physical defect at the rim , then surely the weight , emblem or sticker marking , the spelling and lastly the paint quality of course . for sure your eye will notice it . it's easier when you already owns or had experience in wearing an original rim such as TE37 . and last not least , when you driving you will notice it
hm the price for the te37 for subaru sir?cause ilove te37 thats my dream rims too for this coming summer thanks
Wht size of rim that stand behind you?
Hi do you have king wheels reload ror vitara? How much, thank you
ı am not eve comsider to buy rim but ı watched the full video.
where to find original rims in malaysia
what is the Facebook name of company of Rays wheel
I understand Forged wheels may be much higher quality
than cheaper cast wheels, also way more expensive.
In regard to quality though, my 2023 Subaru BRZ has
original factory cast alloy wheels 18 x 7 that are made in China,
so how bad can a good quality "replica" cast wheel be when
compared to these?
If you're not competing and you only want to change the look to
personalise your car, is the quality of replicas so bad?
Mag wheels have been made for years and I didn't think anyone
complained about the quality before, especially now modern
manufacturing techniques should have improved this.
Or am I overlooking the fact people don't give a rats about quality
and will knock out any old rubbish to feed demand and make money.
Here In Malaysia, where most folk love the cheapest things with no consideration for their environment, safety, health and consumer rights. Our income is too low, and cost of living soars to new york grade bullshit. Folks are stressed out to the point where binge spenders and drug addicts are everywhere across.
This is why in here we have a lot of trash brands for tech, massive disposable vape black market, fake skincare products and "sport rims" that crack under the sun.
On the side note, the infamous Top Gear episode where Jeremy thrashed malaysian cars with an actual explosion claiming the company were profit hungry, malaysians were quite mad about it but consumers seemingly only care for the lowest price with no understanding of planned obsolescence has lead to everyone being poor, prideful and stupid.
If you want replicas. Go rota. People even race with rotas. They copied the design. But they pass wheel testing. Youd be surprised that probably the stock wheel of your bnew car is actually a rota.
I'll buy a replicate rim for half the price.
damn i got replica te37 on my awd civic. making 900 whplol
I had a set of bmw rims, 2 originals and 2 replicas, both bmw ones cracked.
That's the same experience I had with my bmw original rims!
Brand ori apa yg mmg murah harga dia? Affordable for b40 like me? 🤣🤣
Made from japan is the best one.
Ain't no way that my Molks YE37's are fake
I disagree... replica wheels crack if you hit a pothole hard enough.... they are dangerous is the bottom line...
thank you for speaking in english...
How to differentiate between original and fake?
Nice B14 appear in video as well
Bos, rim p1 racing 16 inci ori japan brapa berat dia?
Any good rims that's made in Malaysia?
yess... Raxer..cuba usha RP10X (in collaboration with Tengku Djan)..shantikk giler.. 17inch harga dlm RM2700.
Im using Raxer Wheels made in Malaysia for my myvi and its actually quite good and lightweight 👍
Had an experience with RP10X. lightweight and strong.
Had an accident that end up hitting the curb, to the point that my car went up the air for a bit.
However, only the outer protection lip is bent, the whole structure rigidity is retained.
Went to rim repair shop to sort out the bent lip, all good till now.
Since then, I've recommended the flow form rims from this brand to my friends.
Great quality and wont break your bank account.
Real great product
Proton Wira 1.8, Satria GTi or R3 rims I guess
At the end of the day ya get what ya pay for