Justin is such a great addition to the crew, love that he’s in the mo powah shirt with no sleeves while tearing apart the wheel 😆 thank you guys for always making the best content!!
@@GundamZeroSeven to be fair. We can dead lift our 90s gutted honda but yea that parking garage was the best moment in theater's for the first time let me tell you 🤣🤣
I actually work as a wheel design engineer; you'd be shocked how many wheels come from the same factories. Almost all of these "replica" wheels are made by the same people, on the same lines, right next to each other. They all aim to pass the same tests, and will be similar quality. The biggest difference is the manufacturing process, gravity cast > low pressure cast > flow formed/rotary forged > forged. Alloys matter too, but they're practically standardized.
yeah the whole "rep" argument is getting outdated cause technology is advancing to where shits just gonna be decent. now its more design focused i feel
Also if they are approved for a vehicle in germany they are safe because we have some of the highest safety standards when it comes to car parts and if they pass there they are safe
I'm jealous of your roads. I live in the UK, and its basically a given that a road will have potholes on it now. The ones on my road have been there about a decade or so now since its on the boundary of 2 district authorities and neither of them want to deal with it and give the other one free road repairs... Wouldn't be an issue back in my £1000 shitbox, but in the 86 that I bought at the end of last year, it's a harrowing experience since I have to be on alert 120% of the time on roads where I haven't memorised the potholes.
Damn, Justin has got some serious firepower. He hulked that steering wheel into oblivion... I'm so glad you guys hired him, he makes a great addition to the crew!
He was awkwardly added into the show and looked like a diversity hire as archer would put it, but he certainly came into his own! He just needs a show/idea to host weekly and solidify his place
That's also the reason WHY it is good to have a rim that will give up first. You end up with a busted rim. If you have a Panzer-rim - it stays intact, while the whole suspension etc takes a beating instead. So what costs more to replace/repair?
@@MrMcDougleGaming nailed it ,low quality since a long time. Recent vid I watched talked about how crappy the quality was back with the K cars. Iirc it was the Steve Mags junkyard crawl on a k car.
Knock off Steering wheels are actually PERFECT for Sim Rigs. They’re lighter weight, so they’re better for the motor life. And it will potentially keep that wheel from going onto a real car lol
@@boxenjoyerkona nice!! That honestly will prolong the life of the g29 motors too. It probably is a lot more reactive too. I remember using my old 29 on Assetto Corsa, I had to add extra spin to compensate on transitions, with a lighter wheel, you’d have to do that less.
@@MachtPlays all comes down to your settings tbh, i drive everything from street cars to comp cars and have no issues. heck even made it down the touge course without touching the wheel (random challenge lol) granted nowadays i got my g29 severely modded out. upgraded motors, bigger gears, ect. kinda puts my monza to shame tbh
@@Parents_of_Twins With a special software I was even able to play gta V with it. You could play literally any game with it, even pacman. But only racing games designed for sim wheels will give ''feedback''
Nah he is just a handsome and strong dude. The normal steering wheel is designed to break, so if your head hits it really hard during the crash it will break to absorb most of the impact. That said it's not supposed to break too easily like the fake one did
To be fair, a lot of rep wheels are still well made by respectable brands just using higher end designs. But to see a steering wheel do that scares me 😂
I’m actually quite impressed that the strut tower in the convertible held up to all that punishment without breaking apart and also that you didn’t lose the control arm,tie-rod or a ball joint to that punishment. That was ruthless on the suspension.
if this point was argued i would be like ok but it doesn't justify paying tha much for rims for your street car . if you have it do it if you dont ....its simple
@@christopherdaniel6142 for real . Mfers these days will steal your wheels quick. Fuck thieves ain't spending 6k on fuckin wheels when it's a god damn street car. Track grip yes m drift fuck no
From my knowledge, authentic aftermarket steering wheels like the Nardi Torino are designed to bend/mildy collapse on impact as a safety precaution VS. fold & possibly snap like the replica, which could easily injure it's user. I say this from distance experience, as a good friend once collided with another driver who made an illegal left in front of him, smashing the front end of his E30. The replica OMP steering wheel he had at the time, snapped at 2/3 spokes, sending his head straight into the windshield. Just food for thought! I really enjoy these testing videos, keep them coming Donut!
I've worked at Borbet in Germany my department was called Flow-Forming where we got to produce lighter versions of OEM standard wheels , the raw wheels all came as gravity casted wheels(almg4) which we then cut down a bit for a clean surface and with a sort of puller thing(sorry English is not my main language) we then got the wheel to the appropriate width by pressing the wheel against a steel come from all four sides with small rollers that constantly pulled down...... Those "fake" wheels look like they came from this type of production line .... Not really meant to take these kinds of beating but not as crappy as of they'd just be casted with Almg2 which is way cheaper and less resilient just as an example of you get the factory Audi sport wheels on i think it was the 2017 A6 you look on the inside it should have a little chart that shows the exact year and week they ran off the assembly line and a small FF whilst the non sport wheels don't have it also we went and imprinted which exact sky was used for the survive wheels too
@@iamthelaw69 I think what he was trying to say is maybe donut misidentified a set of flow formed wheels as a set of gravity cast. This is my opinion of his comment, not my opinion.
Well when you're destroying basically over 1000 dollars of products for a single video, best to keep sponsors happy to avoid needing to live off ramen.
interesting thing about the wheel drop test was the difference in the sound and the height of the bounce. Volk wheel rang like a bell and bounced way higher, indicates better quality metal which was to be expected
I would say the sound and height of the bounce had to do with the way the energy at impact was dissipated. The cheaper wheel absorbed most of the energy through plastic deformation of the material. The more expensive wheel did not absorb much of the energy and had more of an elastic impact which resulted in dissipation of the energy through sound and bouncing. I don't think the 'quality' of the metal is really the issue, just different stress-strain curves for the different metals.
@@Ex4579 It's been decades since I had a class in metallurgy, but IIRC the differences are due both to the alloy used and the manufacturing method. Even if the alloy they used was the same (and it probably wasn't) the forged wheel will be stronger due to the forging process and how that affects the metal.
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I'm genuinely impressed with the knock off TE37s Especially for them being gravity cast and not even low flow cast is quite a accomplishment to not brake and only bend
technically they're cheap and only resemble the quality TE37s, they didn't actually brand themselves as the same product; whereas the gloves and steering wheel were legit counterfeits(lol legit counterfeit, that feels like it should be an oxymoron), with how they claimed to be the actual brands, rather than their own thing
I'm not actually sure the carbon fiber ones would hold up too well with the tests they did because the only real application for carbon fiber wheels is if you just want to look baller, or if it's for a track-only car that will always be on a well-maintained road surface and you want something extremely light. Then again I could be wrong but carbon fiber tends to be really good at absorbing a lot of force one time, but being compromised afterward. Which is why its the go-to material for making race car monocoques because it is extremely light, but in the case of an impact it will absorb a lot of the force, keeping the driver safe, but at the cost of needing a new monocoque.
Unfortunately, I witness the great quality of Volk wheels on my own car, as i slid into a curb going 60 or 70mph. It took a chunk out and bent both passenger side wheels but i drove home fine and kicking myself for being an idiot. On another note, i know someone that had replica’s and did the same thing I did and his wheels shattered completely.
@@nxtgeniscooked it definitely hurts, luckily, the only other thing that I damage other than the wheel was my passenger front wheel bearing. The other car was salvage lost.
@@Lamster66 tbf i would trust an aftermarket steering wheel made with wood like nrg, something 1 piece instead of rubber, i don’t think there’s any issue tho regardless cuz how often are you gonna put that much stress on a wheel, any aftermarket wheel also won’t have an airbag so safety is gone no matter what
Why? The legit steering wheel did exactly what it was supposed to - be strong enough to easily withstand the normal steering loads even an aggressive driver could apply, but when those loads were exceeded, such as in a crash with one's arms locked, the wheel deformed to absorb some of the impact forces and energy.
The knockoff steering wheel is a safety feature: when you smash your face into it because you removed your airbag to install it, it'll give and cushion your face like a pillow (or airbag).
I run MST wheels on my drift car and swear by them.they take so much damn abuse it’s crazy for how cheap they are.I’ve literally watched my wheel fly across a track after snapping all the studs,bump jumped multiple curbs and wheel drops galore and I’m still on the same set with a lil jb weld and hammering but still on track non the less.i am still on the same set so maybe I got lucky but I’ll find out once I mount a 2nd set
People don't understand that 99% of the time you are going to have to replace a wheel if it's damaged (fixing is a scam) so way more expensive ones don't gain you much advantage other than weight which is not an issue for street use. And if you fucked up enough to need a wheel, there's also other stuff bent.
It's the same issue with tires. I want a good budget tire, not pay so much for the tires I have to make them last 80k miles (with patches) to get the value out of them.
@Jimmy’s Model Trains many cheap wheels (not bottom garbage but jr and rotas) hold up for years on tracks with no issues. Meanwhile some geniuine BBS will deform and crack even under a brz. When you're hardparking with your 500 hp ls swapped whatever that only sees "serious hardcore use" like a few red light pulls, cheap wheels hold up fine unless you hit bad potholes and are stupid enough to believe the low profile tyre lies.
I've been straightening and welding alloys for 13 years now (have my own shop) and OEM wheels are definitely better made than most knock offs. Especially the cheap ones from China and Taiwan can be scary thin and brittle. OEMs aren't usually forged, but they are of a superior (and predictable) alloy and always heat treated to give that stiffness that forged alloys are famous for. And OEMs are usually double the thickness of the cheap ones. And they are powder coated from the factory. We weld cracks on about double the amount of knock offs compared to OEMs and the OEMs are usually much easier to straighten out to a 100% round wheel again. You get what you pay for 🙂
That's what im saying! The comments defending reps are somehow getting a lot of attention... Scary that a lot of people are choosing looks over safety and ride quality lol
@@ichiroudesu_. People are cheap. They think they can actually get away with buying 22 inch Chinese wheels for their X5 or range rover and slap some ling long tyres on them. 100000$ car and you've gonna cheap out on the only thing between that car and the road. Smart
"The biggest pothole in LA"? That looks like a small imperfection to someone that drives in São Paulo, all over Brazil there are interdimensional portals kindly nicknamed "pothole"...
I hate to admit this, but when I was first getting into the Evo game, I was broke AF and ran MST wheels for years. They held up well, never had an issue with them. Obviously not as good as Volks, but not terrible. I've upgraded since then, but MST is probably fine for most people who aren't racing.
I had a set of genuine speedlines wearing 35 profile tyres and they shrugged off a pothole that had appeared overnight and downed numerous SUVs (that were all parked up with flat tyres). Forged wheels are no joke.
I love the clip of the airbag going off when talking about aftermarket steering wheels. Where in reality kids that put these in their cars are actually just breaking their noses on them in a collision.
@@fredd3.14 right! One thing leads to another. So if you have a wheel with no airbag, you really need a harness, helmet, and Hans setup. As much as I’d love seeing a bunch of Stig lookalikes commuting to work every day, pretty unrealistic for a daily 😂
@@limprooster3253 If you'd want to be safer in your 80s coupe then yes. Your scenario of not ALREADY having an airbag in the steering wheel of your classic car and swapping it out for some cool aftermarket wheel is just a LITTLE different compared to someone buying say a 2020 Subaru BRZ and immediately changing out the stock wheel.
5:18 SFI stands for SEMA Foundation, Inc. as it was originally founded by the same group that puts on the SEMA tradeshow in Vegas every year although they are an independent organization now.
The expensive steering wheel is meant to perform like it did. It is supposed to be rigid until a certain force is exceeded and then meant to bend rather easily. It is meant to break during an accident when you smash your head onto it. It makes sure the force on your skull can’t exceed a certain threshold and then it absorbs the energy of the impact.
This vid is great, thanks for testing all those things!! We have all been tempted before by knock-offs. The gloves are scary, as a firefighter it riles me up that there are fake fireproof things...
Where i worked, we had alot of cars come in that had been in accidents. Alot of them had bent steeringwheels because the driver used it for leverage to hit the brakes harder. So that steering wheel is a massive no no
”SFI was originally a foundation run by SEMA, the automotive aftermarket trade organization. The letters “SFI” stood for “SEMA Foundation, Inc.” Although SFI is now completely independent from SEMA, the Foundation has retained the name SFI Foundation, Inc. but the “S” no longer means SEMA.” - hum, Nolan was right in a way.
This is easily my new fav channel. For 6.9 mil subs, I was execting nothing but shilling. BUt they really don't shill outside of their ads and they do quality conent.
I use rep te's and have been driving on them for years no prob. But i would be a bit hesitant to track with them. Cast wheels get a bad reputation but most oem alloy wheels are cast too
I know this is late, but a fun thing to use instead of ballistic gel hands is actually hot dogs. When interviewing firefighters they said that using hot dogs is an easier and cheaper way to test what the fire would do to human skin since it’s basically the same.
I’ve paused just 5 seconds into the video and had a good laugh. “This is the biggest pothole in LA” - coming from India, I confidently say that is one of the smaller potholes you would find in India 😆
Those reps held up way better than I thought, but so did the real wheels against that parking block. Makes me wonder if forged wheels would have held up better when I hydroplaned last year and hit a curb at ~50mph. My cast wheels were completely obliterated 😭
Probably won't, they are not designed to get hit from the side anyway. Cast ones are heavier because they need to be thicker to get to the same strength. So a thicker heavier cast can match the performance a thinner lighter forged wheel.
Thank your Lucky Star you came out alive. Doesn't matter whether its forged steel rims or cast aluminium rims; if you're caught up in a bad situation, its just whether you're going to get out alive or not. In the cities of some 3rd world countries; eg India, the road manhole covers get stolen for scrap metal. Imagine driving over an open manhole at speed ? Best safety factor - a careful driver - yourself bro.
@@AaronShenghao well this wasn't a side hit it was straight on, I hit the median curb in the middle of the road. Left front was obliterated, left rear was bent pretty bad but still held air somehow
I have those MST wheels on my Miata. They look great but man are they heavy. Seeing this gives me confidence that I'm safe until I can afford some Rotiforms.
@@ddoormatt4834 somehow I suspect my reps are far superior to whatever you're rolling on. The kids are always talking about how "legit my ride is" whatever that means. Okay cool here's the fun part: you make up some interesting vehicle that I'm supposed to believe you own, and you can give me all the wheel specs, and then I'll carry on picturing you pushing everything you own in a shopping cart. Sounds neat right? Only if you want to though obviously you always lose because I have the Miata and you have the shopping cart. It's all about perspective and that's how I'm seeing things.
I’m super thankful for this whole video. I’ve always wonder but never had the money to back me up. Now for the wheel test. The Tire could of been a low profile tire. Idk I’m a nobody compare to you guy.
I'd really like to see the wheel tests repeated with an oem wheel, because the reps may not fare nearly as well as the real forged wheels but if they're not worse than oem wheels I'd call them safe for road use and worth getting just for the style if you're broke
previous owner of my car lowered it with cheap lowering springs, with the annual checkup (that's required here) the mechanic just pulled out part of the spring. it had completely rusted through. I bought better new springs, but that could have ended way worse
Steering wheels are designed to bend like the expensive one did (for when you crash with a death grip on the wheel, you won't break a thumb, also if your face smacks it).
I love how people talk-up rep wheels, but they can never back up what they're saying. My favorite part of rep wheels is when you get a set and all four wheel are a different weight.
05:18 SFI (SEMA Foundation Inc) sets safety standards for various types of motorsports equipment, including racing suits. This is measured in a TPP value which is the suit's Thermal Protection Performance in the event of a fire.
Justin is such a great addition to the crew, love that he’s in the mo powah shirt with no sleeves while tearing apart the wheel 😆 thank you guys for always making the best content!!
Lmaooo
Mo powah, babeh.
Justin needs his own shirt. Beast mode or whatever.
Fr he's great
@@kylebrodie5860 beast mode or wheel ripper
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Justin literally just hulked the steering wheel like that lmao
KFC did really surprise me there
Nobody in the F&F movies addresses the fact that Dominic dead lifted a car and stomped down a parking garage 🤷.
Legit lol
@@GundamZeroSeven to be fair. We can dead lift our 90s gutted honda but yea that parking garage was the best moment in theater's for the first time let me tell you 🤣🤣
and that one was the $350 wheel, i thought those would be very sturdy. wtff
I actually work as a wheel design engineer; you'd be shocked how many wheels come from the same factories. Almost all of these "replica" wheels are made by the same people, on the same lines, right next to each other. They all aim to pass the same tests, and will be similar quality. The biggest difference is the manufacturing process, gravity cast > low pressure cast > flow formed/rotary forged > forged. Alloys matter too, but they're practically standardized.
Yep. Both wheels in this test did just fine. If anything, it's the OEM wheels that will fail before aftermarket wheels.
yeah the whole "rep" argument is getting outdated cause technology is advancing to where shits just gonna be decent. now its more design focused i feel
@@bmxstar14 As long as you dont go too cheap, it's fine
Like the one with flow formed is surprisingly good given the price
It's the same with coilovers, a lot of coilovers are made by HST, I believe that's the company.
Also if they are approved for a vehicle in germany they are safe because we have some of the highest safety standards when it comes to car parts and if they pass there they are safe
11:57 This pothole was reported 3 years ago, someone potholes like a good wine.
I'm jealous of your roads.
I live in the UK, and its basically a given that a road will have potholes on it now.
The ones on my road have been there about a decade or so now since its on the boundary of 2 district authorities and neither of them want to deal with it and give the other one free road repairs...
Wouldn't be an issue back in my £1000 shitbox, but in the 86 that I bought at the end of last year, it's a harrowing experience since I have to be on alert 120% of the time on roads where I haven't memorised the potholes.
I live in NC, I know at least 5 potholes in my town that are way worse than that one
IN HUNGARY THIS IS THE SMALEST BUMP ON THE ROAD
Damn, Justin has got some serious firepower. He hulked that steering wheel into oblivion...
I'm so glad you guys hired him, he makes a great addition to the crew!
He was awkwardly added into the show and looked like a diversity hire as archer would put it, but he certainly came into his own! He just needs a show/idea to host weekly and solidify his place
@@tnutss definitely think he's still a bit nervous!
@That V8 Life point
@@tnutss go cool down and quit thinking you have the right to make comment on ppl because you see different skin, ppl r ppl, chill.
@That V8 Life Relax, my initial message was ''point'' meaning, you made a point that I agree with. Don't get hot and sweaty like instant noodles. ;)
Justin is a Beast!! He is definitely a great add to the crew!!!
At 3:30 when he bent the steering wheel and he said “good lord” I was crying laughing
Look like the Chrysler suspension took more damage than the rim did. Look at how far back wheel is. Yikes!
Anything Chrysler makes is halfway to the junkyard the minute it rolls off the production line.
@@VorsprungDurchNik ur right LOL
That's also the reason WHY it is good to have a rim that will give up first. You end up with a busted rim. If you have a Panzer-rim - it stays intact, while the whole suspension etc takes a beating instead. So what costs more to replace/repair?
@@MrMcDougleGaming nailed it ,low quality since a long time.
Recent vid I watched talked about how crappy the quality was back with the K cars.
Iirc it was the Steve Mags junkyard crawl on a k car.
Knock off Steering wheels are actually PERFECT for Sim Rigs. They’re lighter weight, so they’re better for the motor life.
And it will potentially keep that wheel from going onto a real car lol
Facts. I've got one so bad it's actually lighter than the standard wheel on the G29.
It's 350mm.
@@boxenjoyerkona nice!! That honestly will prolong the life of the g29 motors too.
It probably is a lot more reactive too.
I remember using my old 29 on Assetto Corsa, I had to add extra spin to compensate on transitions, with a lighter wheel, you’d have to do that less.
@@MachtPlays all comes down to your settings tbh, i drive everything from street cars to comp cars and have no issues. heck even made it down the touge course without touching the wheel (random challenge lol) granted nowadays i got my g29 severely modded out. upgraded motors, bigger gears, ect. kinda puts my monza to shame tbh
What are Sim Rigs for? Playing Forza type games? If so I'm jealous.
@@Parents_of_Twins With a special software I was even able to play gta V with it. You could play literally any game with it, even pacman. But only racing games designed for sim wheels will give ''feedback''
Justin legit made me question if the real wheel was actually fake. Dude bent that wheel like it was a toy.
Nah he is just a handsome and strong dude. The normal steering wheel is designed to break, so if your head hits it really hard during the crash it will break to absorb most of the impact. That said it's not supposed to break too easily like the fake one did
@@beardsntools yeah and also it took both guys to break the real one, whereas only Zach was needed to bust the cheap one
I love how they have a whole fleet of sacrificial cars for these tests
@Rvve Duio wtf was the point of that comment
@@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4 wtf was the point of that comment
@@mackgonebald Wtf was the point of that comment
unrelated but based pfp, i too am a victim of the joe librels
I love the glass pouring out when he pulled and hit the brakes before the pothole test lol
makes it so much better 🤣
Look guys, I'm not passed the Valvoline ad yet and I don't see how the video can get better than this. You guys are a national treasure.
Always painful to see a dented Te-37, to see one dropped from a roof, however; is an indescribable experience.
Yes. Rip Te-37
Better if the car was still attached to it.
Volk are still pumping them out by the container load, it's not as if they're rare.
@@ChristopherHallett Exactly what I was going to say. Where is the loss?
Those are fake my real Volk TE37SL costed $800 per rim, those cheap fakes are funny AF 👎😂🤣
Between this video and Jerry on the trike, I'm thinking Donut's workman's comp rates are about to get an adjustment.
To be fair, a lot of rep wheels are still well made by respectable brands just using higher end designs. But to see a steering wheel do that scares me 😂
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 so much better that you have to gank their viewers in the comments?
Seems legit...
ESR u mean?
Seems like you could break that steering wheel with a bit of hard and rough driving, crazy.
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 bro you make copied content...
I had to buy a $26 PVC wheel off amazon to maintain steerability of a roller I sold. Thing felt SCARY flexible.
I’m actually quite impressed that the strut tower in the convertible held up to all that punishment without breaking apart and also that you didn’t lose the control arm,tie-rod or a ball joint to that punishment. That was ruthless on the suspension.
Or the knuckle.
The real benefit of the legit wheels is less rotating mass to get to a similar (or slightly better) strength
if this point was argued i would be like ok but it doesn't justify paying tha much for rims for your street car . if you have it do it if you dont ....its simple
@@christopherdaniel6142 for real . Mfers these days will steal your wheels quick. Fuck thieves ain't spending 6k on fuckin wheels when it's a god damn street car. Track grip yes m drift fuck no
Justin is great, thank god you guys hired him.
and he is getting better episode by episode
I was thinking that with the jaws of life video. He is completely wild and fits in like he has been here since the beginning! Such a cool guy!
He is a beast.... and a hell of a nice guy. Wouldn't want to be on his bad side that's for sure
I agree, more Justin!
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 shut up
The first steering wheel had me more worried about the column than the wheel itself
@toijg avnnr yo bro you forget to change accounts ?
From my knowledge, authentic aftermarket steering wheels like the Nardi Torino are designed to bend/mildy collapse on impact as a safety precaution VS. fold & possibly snap like the replica, which could easily injure it's user. I say this from distance experience, as a good friend once collided with another driver who made an illegal left in front of him, smashing the front end of his E30. The replica OMP steering wheel he had at the time, snapped at 2/3 spokes, sending his head straight into the windshield. Just food for thought! I really enjoy these testing videos, keep them coming Donut!
The real question is.... How did the stock chrysler wheel do after 4 hits?!
mint 😎
Most reliable Chrysler part
@@MJ-uk6lu that’s not saying much
@@MJ-uk6lu My Chrysler has over 100k with a 5.7 hemi. Literally nothing ever broke on it besides normal maintenance parts. Dont be that guy.
The structure of the chrysler wheels is pretty good, the finish however lol.
I've worked at Borbet in Germany my department was called Flow-Forming where we got to produce lighter versions of OEM standard wheels , the raw wheels all came as gravity casted wheels(almg4) which we then cut down a bit for a clean surface and with a sort of puller thing(sorry English is not my main language) we then got the wheel to the appropriate width by pressing the wheel against a steel come from all four sides with small rollers that constantly pulled down...... Those "fake" wheels look like they came from this type of production line .... Not really meant to take these kinds of beating but not as crappy as of they'd just be casted with Almg2 which is way cheaper and less resilient just as an example of you get the factory Audi sport wheels on i think it was the 2017 A6 you look on the inside it should have a little chart that shows the exact year and week they ran off the assembly line and a small FF whilst the non sport wheels don't have it also we went and imprinted which exact sky was used for the survive wheels too
Danke, thats interesting.
That’s how all Enkei wheels are made too oem or aftermarket ones.
I think you missed the part where they said the wheel was gravity cast. It's not flow formed.
@@iamthelaw69 I think what he was trying to say is maybe donut misidentified a set of flow formed wheels as a set of gravity cast.
This is my opinion of his comment, not my opinion.
What about bola or rota wheels?
The effort and time they put into the sponsors are amazing. Watched the entire thing
Yeah, quite a rare thing, even if it's not cheap oil 😄.
Well when you're destroying basically over 1000 dollars of products for a single video, best to keep sponsors happy to avoid needing to live off ramen.
@@NEEDbacon mobil 1 mobil1 mobil1
Most impressive part of that video is to know that the biggest pothole of LA is basically just a standard pothole here in Canada
I'm very happy with my rare Volk LE37's, nearly 20 year old wheels and still look brand new, that's why you pay for quality
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 imagine begging for subs, even tho ur prob subbed to donut because of how early u are
@@deafmango it's a bot
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 man's got a replica verified icon 😂😂
my vs ss's are older than me and still look mint!
I am currently trying to get my hands on some Pontiac snowflakes. Around 40 years old and hard to find them that are real and aren't on a car.
Jobes reaction to Justin mauling the wheel was hilarious 😂 “good Lord”
Pissed my pants laughing 🤣
interesting thing about the wheel drop test was the difference in the sound and the height of the bounce. Volk wheel rang like a bell and bounced way higher, indicates better quality metal which was to be expected
I would say the sound and height of the bounce had to do with the way the energy at impact was dissipated. The cheaper wheel absorbed most of the energy through plastic deformation of the material. The more expensive wheel did not absorb much of the energy and had more of an elastic impact which resulted in dissipation of the energy through sound and bouncing. I don't think the 'quality' of the metal is really the issue, just different stress-strain curves for the different metals.
@@davidjolly5218 quality of the metal for the application. elastic deformation seems preferable to plastic deformation for a set of wheels
@@Ex4579 It's been decades since I had a class in metallurgy, but IIRC the differences are due both to the alloy used and the manufacturing method. Even if the alloy they used was the same (and it probably wasn't) the forged wheel will be stronger due to the forging process and how that affects the metal.
i am impressed how good the wheel test was thought out. especially focusing on the area between the spokes.
What are you blind he slowed down the genuine wheel when it was falling
That physically hurt my soul to watch that TE37 get dropped like that 😩
yea me too
you don't set fire to a Picasso to test it
Yeah that was painful to watch
SFI was originally a foundation run by SEMA, the automotive aftermarket trade organization. The letters “SFI” stood for “SEMA Foundation, Inc.” Although SFI is now completely independent from SEMA, the Foundation has retained the name SFI Foundation, Inc. but the “S” no longer means SEMA.
@@NickVetter good for you
Quote from SFI FAQ, "What Do the Letters “SFI” Stand For?"
It said on the tag ‘Safety Foundation Inc’.So it looks like it stands for that now whether it stood for anything in the past or not.
Nice copy and paste job lol
@@JaredConnell I mean, yeah. That's what I did.
Yeah justin is terrific. James and Jeremiah are a must have. Jeremiah's "commercials" are fantastic.
Just say it you have man crushes on all of them
Their ads have better production value than many actual channels
@@Youngstomata I wish I was the one wrapped in justin's strong arms at 10:40
@@MrPenutbetter lol! I didn’t spot that until now
I'm genuinely impressed with the knock off TE37s
Especially for them being gravity cast and not even low flow cast is quite a accomplishment to not brake and only bend
technically they're cheap and only resemble the quality TE37s, they didn't actually brand themselves as the same product; whereas the gloves and steering wheel were legit counterfeits(lol legit counterfeit, that feels like it should be an oxymoron), with how they claimed to be the actual brands, rather than their own thing
MST is actually a good brand they put out good stuff for the price this wasn’t a good comparison
I'd really want to see how Carbon Fiber Wheels/ Parts hold up against their 'normal' counterparts...
should b... "... explosive."
Think of the budget 😱
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I'm not actually sure the carbon fiber ones would hold up too well with the tests they did because the only real application for carbon fiber wheels is if you just want to look baller, or if it's for a track-only car that will always be on a well-maintained road surface and you want something extremely light. Then again I could be wrong but carbon fiber tends to be really good at absorbing a lot of force one time, but being compromised afterward. Which is why its the go-to material for making race car monocoques because it is extremely light, but in the case of an impact it will absorb a lot of the force, keeping the driver safe, but at the cost of needing a new monocoque.
Depends. If it's dry structural carbon it will outperform in every field. If it's the more traditional wet carbon, it's as strong as fiberglass.
Unfortunately, I witness the great quality of Volk wheels on my own car, as i slid into a curb going 60 or 70mph. It took a chunk out and bent both passenger side wheels but i drove home fine and kicking myself for being an idiot. On another note, i know someone that had replica’s and did the same thing I did and his wheels shattered completely.
Knockoffs are for low ride styling
English Is actually really good
Damn RIP
And yeah real wheels aren’t bulletproof. Definitely hurts a lot more tho to destroy $3k+ real wheels vs a set of reps.
@@nxtgeniscooked it definitely hurts, luckily, the only other thing that I damage other than the wheel was my passenger front wheel bearing. The other car was salvage lost.
Doing that is likely to break the car anyway ain't it
Didn't expect the replica wheels to hold up that good. The seem to hold up even for some tracks days once in a while.
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All this episode showed me is that I shouldn't feel safe even with the legit stuff 🤕
@@Lamster66 tbf i would trust an aftermarket steering wheel made with wood like nrg, something 1 piece instead of rubber, i don’t think there’s any issue tho regardless cuz how often are you gonna put that much stress on a wheel, any aftermarket wheel also won’t have an airbag so safety is gone no matter what
@@Lamster66 we don’t do that on the low team side
best solution: stay stock
Why? The legit steering wheel did exactly what it was supposed to - be strong enough to easily withstand the normal steering loads even an aggressive driver could apply, but when those loads were exceeded, such as in a crash with one's arms locked, the wheel deformed to absorb some of the impact forces and energy.
@@DaciaSandero_1.5DCi that's not weight reduction
The knockoff steering wheel is a safety feature: when you smash your face into it because you removed your airbag to install it, it'll give and cushion your face like a pillow (or airbag).
Omg you won a prize from 🍩!!!
Getting impaled by your steering wheel would suck
@G T I was joking lol
@@samholdsworth420 lol, I know! Amazing, I never win anything!
Nardi wheel: "you pay for the welds, not the leather"
Knock off: "Ah, she's tacked up, you're good"
14:20 "jarvis lost their hair"
I think they lost much more than that
Testing steering wheel with Justin was kinda like testing if house made of brick is stronger than the wooden one by dropping a nuke on them
Ever time Justin breaks something, he throws it after! Love that, so funny! Agree Victor Vinis
😂 no need for things once they're broken
Your guys bromance at 10:40 makes me giddy! Sfi means safe-fee!
I’d say that it’s a
regular romance, Bro.
I run MST wheels on my drift car and swear by them.they take so much damn abuse it’s crazy for how cheap they are.I’ve literally watched my wheel fly across a track after snapping all the studs,bump jumped multiple curbs and wheel drops galore and I’m still on the same set with a lil jb weld and hammering but still on track non the less.i am still on the same set so maybe I got lucky but I’ll find out once I mount a 2nd set
People don't understand that 99% of the time you are going to have to replace a wheel if it's damaged (fixing is a scam) so way more expensive ones don't gain you much advantage other than weight which is not an issue for street use. And if you fucked up enough to need a wheel, there's also other stuff bent.
This is the best real test Donut has ever made.
The cheap wheels performed very well .... You can buy 3 different sets with the price of 1 set and still saving 100$ 😂
a poor's mentality.
@@n996h not really. You can replace a wheel that’s damaged for way cheaper and they held up almost as good.
@@destinhook3826 poor mentality.
It's the same issue with tires. I want a good budget tire, not pay so much for the tires I have to make them last 80k miles (with patches) to get the value out of them.
@Jimmy’s Model Trains many cheap wheels (not bottom garbage but jr and rotas) hold up for years on tracks with no issues. Meanwhile some geniuine BBS will deform and crack even under a brz.
When you're hardparking with your 500 hp ls swapped whatever that only sees "serious hardcore use" like a few red light pulls, cheap wheels hold up fine unless you hit bad potholes and are stupid enough to believe the low profile tyre lies.
I think the most dangerous thing about replica wheels is getting clowned on at a meet when someone notices.
“Yo this boy on reps!”
What's gonna hurt more?
Getting clown on reps or getting your 'real' wheels stolen?
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I swear people in my area rock them proudly. They will even correct you to let you know they are reps 😂
nothing wrong with rep wheels. i always put them on when i let my wife drive the car. but some people just like to be ass holes just to be ass's.
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 i swear, this braindead minecraft ugly ahh bot really went off track and tried to spam on "car related only" channel 💀🙄🙄
Day 461 of asking Donut to bring old B2B back
I don't think they will :(
Yaa they won’t. That’s gone forever. Just have to keep watching the old cideos
They have made a b2b on mostly everything
As well as up to speed
@@kaicenatclips35 except for James' dad
i love justin and how uncomfortable with praise he is you can tell hes one of those heart of gold types 3:49
I've been straightening and welding alloys for 13 years now (have my own shop) and OEM wheels are definitely better made than most knock offs. Especially the cheap ones from China and Taiwan can be scary thin and brittle. OEMs aren't usually forged, but they are of a superior (and predictable) alloy and always heat treated to give that stiffness that forged alloys are famous for. And OEMs are usually double the thickness of the cheap ones. And they are powder coated from the factory.
We weld cracks on about double the amount of knock offs compared to OEMs and the OEMs are usually much easier to straighten out to a 100% round wheel again.
You get what you pay for 🙂
What is your take on flow formed or flow forged wheels?
That's what im saying! The comments defending reps are somehow getting a lot of attention... Scary that a lot of people are choosing looks over safety and ride quality lol
@@Kevin93til I think they are stronger than the cheap cast wheels, similar to rotary forged... Might be the same thing!
@@ichiroudesu_. People are cheap. They think they can actually get away with buying 22 inch Chinese wheels for their X5 or range rover and slap some ling long tyres on them. 100000$ car and you've gonna cheap out on the only thing between that car and the road. Smart
10:40-10:43 I love the manly hug Justin is giving.
Nice to see friendship's like such.
"The biggest pothole in LA"? That looks like a small imperfection to someone that drives in São Paulo, all over Brazil there are interdimensional portals kindly nicknamed "pothole"...
Let me guess, the deepest point of that hole is at yes nautical miles.
@gary oak yeah I wish they would have gone down to the port pothole streets because the one they drove over is tiny in comparison
This is why China was Brazil's commercial partner, just throw stuff into those potholes and see it emerges on the other side of the world.
I don't believe that that's the biggest pothole in LA no wayy
In Michigan I don't even think that would qualify as a "pothole".
I hate to admit this, but when I was first getting into the Evo game, I was broke AF and ran MST wheels for years. They held up well, never had an issue with them. Obviously not as good as Volks, but not terrible. I've upgraded since then, but MST is probably fine for most people who aren't racing.
I had a set of genuine speedlines wearing 35 profile tyres and they shrugged off a pothole that had appeared overnight and downed numerous SUVs (that were all parked up with flat tyres). Forged wheels are no joke.
Get what you pay for when you go forged, for sure!
Fr I crashed into a tree and and hopped at curb at like 60 and forged wheel were barely damaged,
@@xpert_kid_one730 Fuck the wheels at least ur good 😭😭🙏
@@xpert_kid_one730 Bullshit.
I love the clip of the airbag going off when talking about aftermarket steering wheels. Where in reality kids that put these in their cars are actually just breaking their noses on them in a collision.
yeah, let me just remove my wheel with an airbag for a wooden nardi, much safer lol
@@fredd3.14 right! One thing leads to another. So if you have a wheel with no airbag, you really need a harness, helmet, and Hans setup. As much as I’d love seeing a bunch of Stig lookalikes commuting to work every day, pretty unrealistic for a daily 😂
Yeah, many people put racing wheels on their clapped out ricers to look cool but they should only be used on track cars.
@@IAmMrTrumpet So you're saying I should put a racing seat and cage in my g body because it didn't come with a factory airbag?
@@limprooster3253 If you'd want to be safer in your 80s coupe then yes. Your scenario of not ALREADY having an airbag in the steering wheel of your classic car and swapping it out for some cool aftermarket wheel is just a LITTLE different compared to someone buying say a 2020 Subaru BRZ and immediately changing out the stock wheel.
That pothole is frankly cute. It's so tiny! Up here in Ontario, we get potholes that you can hide a whole tire in
We just gone ignore the fact justin was literally letting a grown man sit in his lap while he got his arms wrapped around him
Watching that TE37 drop killed me inside.
Same
5:18 SFI stands for SEMA Foundation, Inc. as it was originally founded by the same group that puts on the SEMA tradeshow in Vegas every year although they are an independent organization now.
The whole bit with Justin ripping apart the wheel was hilarious
I really enjoyed the Valvoline plug. I usually skip over these but it was really funny.
11:19 Nolan turns into Santa Claus 😂
I heard that and started looking for this comment 😂 why doesn't this have more likes lmao
Huh😒! You call that a pothole⁉️
10:32 me dropping a cup at 2 am
The expensive steering wheel is meant to perform like it did.
It is supposed to be rigid until a certain force is exceeded and then meant to bend rather easily. It is meant to break during an accident when you smash your head onto it. It makes sure the force on your skull can’t exceed a certain threshold and then it absorbs the energy of the impact.
This vid is great, thanks for testing all those things!! We have all been tempted before by knock-offs. The gloves are scary, as a firefighter it riles me up that there are fake fireproof things...
Justin really fittin in with the crew
He’s part of the crew.
@3:13 excuse me Zach but what 😅
Where i worked, we had alot of cars come in that had been in accidents. Alot of them had bent steeringwheels because the driver used it for leverage to hit the brakes harder. So that steering wheel is a massive no no
Fairly sure Jerry is the best advertisement man in history.
When Justin bent up that steering wheel it suddenly got really hot in my room, strange
Lol…yiff?
7:35 this guy has a fire extinguisher in his left hand but dumped his drink on the fire lmfao
That's the power of real big bucks things, safety inspected and certified 💪
A little piece of me died when the wheel was dropped from the roof, even for the “fake” one!
”SFI was originally a foundation run by SEMA, the automotive aftermarket trade organization. The letters “SFI” stood for “SEMA Foundation, Inc.” Although SFI is now completely independent from SEMA, the Foundation has retained the name SFI Foundation, Inc. but the “S” no longer means SEMA.” - hum, Nolan was right in a way.
Nolan’s late “wait in my Butt” reaction was hilarious
This is easily my new fav channel. For 6.9 mil subs, I was execting nothing but shilling. BUt they really don't shill outside of their ads and they do quality conent.
I use rep te's and have been driving on them for years no prob. But i would be a bit hesitant to track with them. Cast wheels get a bad reputation but most oem alloy wheels are cast too
I know this is late, but a fun thing to use instead of ballistic gel hands is actually hot dogs. When interviewing firefighters they said that using hot dogs is an easier and cheaper way to test what the fire would do to human skin since it’s basically the same.
10:24 .. no ...noooo ... don't you dare you monster ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Steering wheel: You can't defeat me!
Jobe: I know. . . But he can!
3:25
I’ve paused just 5 seconds into the video and had a good laugh. “This is the biggest pothole in LA” - coming from India, I confidently say that is one of the smaller potholes you would find in India 😆
Definitely not big for many places in the US too -- for big potholes, you need to go somewhere with freeze-thaw cycles, which LA does not have...
Michigan I-75 between Ohio state line and Detroit
Those reps held up way better than I thought, but so did the real wheels against that parking block. Makes me wonder if forged wheels would have held up better when I hydroplaned last year and hit a curb at ~50mph. My cast wheels were completely obliterated 😭
Probably won't, they are not designed to get hit from the side anyway.
Cast ones are heavier because they need to be thicker to get to the same strength. So a thicker heavier cast can match the performance a thinner lighter forged wheel.
Thank your Lucky Star you came out alive.
Doesn't matter whether its forged steel rims or cast aluminium rims; if you're caught up in a bad situation, its just whether you're going to get out alive or not.
In the cities of some 3rd world countries; eg India, the road manhole covers get stolen for scrap metal. Imagine driving over an open manhole at speed ?
Best safety factor - a careful driver - yourself bro.
@@AaronShenghao well this wasn't a side hit it was straight on, I hit the median curb in the middle of the road. Left front was obliterated, left rear was bent pretty bad but still held air somehow
They probably woulda been done regardless, but it’s gonna be way cheaper to get replacement “reps” than “real” brand ones
Justin is strong as hell 😂
I have those MST wheels on my Miata. They look great but man are they heavy. Seeing this gives me confidence that I'm safe until I can afford some Rotiforms.
Rotiforms are also reps
get some real wheels bruh
@@tmchikentm3773 If. You. Say. So.
@@ddoormatt4834 somehow I suspect my reps are far superior to whatever you're rolling on. The kids are always talking about how "legit my ride is" whatever that means. Okay cool here's the fun part: you make up some interesting vehicle that I'm supposed to believe you own, and you can give me all the wheel specs, and then I'll carry on picturing you pushing everything you own in a shopping cart. Sounds neat right? Only if you want to though obviously you always lose because I have the Miata and you have the shopping cart. It's all about perspective and that's how I'm seeing things.
I’m super thankful for this whole video. I’ve always wonder but never had the money to back me up. Now for the wheel test. The Tire could of been a low profile tire. Idk I’m a nobody compare to you guy.
“Well maybe that’s because you’re insanely strong” Justin “nah haha” Justin is quickly becoming my favorite host.
That Valvoline bit is probably the best advert I've ever seen.
I'd really like to see the wheel tests repeated with an oem wheel, because the reps may not fare nearly as well as the real forged wheels but if they're not worse than oem wheels I'd call them safe for road use and worth getting just for the style if you're broke
If you're broke you shouldn't be buying cheap shit for "style "
@toijg avnnr wow ! Great reply to the comment at hand !
@@tylerdurden7869 Everyone deserves style, and I ain't putting a $4k set of wheels on a $3k Civic
Pretty sure a lot of oem wheels are good my z has rays
previous owner of my car lowered it with cheap lowering springs, with the annual checkup (that's required here) the mechanic just pulled out part of the spring. it had completely rusted through. I bought better new springs, but that could have ended way worse
Steering wheels are designed to bend like the expensive one did (for when you crash with a death grip on the wheel, you won't break a thumb, also if your face smacks it).
Good wheel 👏 You've passed the official knockoff test - unlike so many knockoffs that straight fail...
I love how people talk-up rep wheels, but they can never back up what they're saying. My favorite part of rep wheels is when you get a set and all four wheel are a different weight.
Fuck reps haha
Fuck reps. Lots of poors in these comments.
The way the real wheel broke is the way a wheel is supposed to fail. You don’t want to be hitting the jagged edges of a broken spoke on impact
Such an entertaining yet painful episode 😂
That Valvoline ad was funny. Nice one. First ad I've sat through in a while.
Biggest pothole in LA is smallest in INDIA
Expensive Italian stuff has always been fragile. Probably why they are expensive. I don't think the authentic wheel stood a chance lol
15:16 "slightly used"
05:18
SFI (SEMA Foundation Inc) sets safety standards for various types of motorsports equipment, including racing suits. This is measured in a TPP value which is the suit's Thermal Protection Performance in the event of a fire.
Thanks - as always, quality entertainment!