Has sitting quietly to observe thought any value? | J. Krishnamurti
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Saanen 1980 - Question #1 from Question & Answer Meeting #4
'Is our sitting quietly every day to observe the movement of thought by your definition a practice, a method and therefore without value?'
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5 years I've been studying this man... Only now, after 5 years am I starting to reap the rewards of this man's life work. For those working seriously twds freedom, know that it takes time, but also know that it takes no time at all. 🙏
But as he had mentioned, freedom is not at the end, but at the beginning. 🎉
So what’s the change ?
Krishnamurti was a rare Indian perhaps a rare human who experienced his own truth and said don't agree with me, dont believe me find out your own truth.
Lol work... I first read this mans words when I was 13. Stop working my friend and be.
@plant worm , suggest where to start ?
Buddha was asked, “What have you gained from meditation?” He replied, “Nothing!” Then he continued, “However, let me tell you what I have lost: anger, anxiety, depression, insecurity, and fear of old age an death.”
The answer to the question is right here 🙏
And how is the world better?
@@kaushalsuvarna5156 world is world. the idea of it being better or worse is only about your ego.
One changes the world first by change onself@@kaushalsuvarna5156
The uniqueness of JK is his ability to illustrate how to find answer rather than giving it. A true coach.
Wow, he would hate to be called a "coach" lol
@@alexkhouri such a lovely person can't hate anything or anyone
Carefully, with the rather ugly word "coach" you're creaing an authority of him. He refused to be called a Guru, Mesiah, etc. I'm sure he would have refused to be called a coach as well
Very well said brother
He wouldn't care about how people call him if only their mind would become quite :-DD
We all are so fortunate to have these great videos.
“The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot
be changed without changing our thinking.”- Albert Einstein
I very glad to listen to this . Tkank you
If you try to change something you can't be changed.
you need to watch it twice or thrice at different times then you will get what exactly he is saying...our brain will only consume what is up to for now. 2,3 more times to watch ..! & He is so sharp.
Sandeep Varma so what u get after watching it 3 time ?
Great penetrating understanding u have
Sandeep Varma no bro u have to only make parts of his sentence or words ,his uniqueness is his not give any examples or jokes because his not a “guru” or something mystical but he is a very great man but have no inner knowledge only knowledge of books and understanding he is also said that “everything is self knowledge”
Its true that he is like flower but no ultra instincts like “bruce lee or GOKU”
@@Karnalrealtor I can see sounds now. I can hear colors
Interesting. Attention is when the mind is most quiet. I'll remember this.
Beautiful summation
Do you still remember?
Yes, Attention devoid of intention. I must remember it.
A gental health reminder ;
⚠️"Pay attention to your emotions" ⚠️
You know what's sad? There once was a guru who meditated all of his life, to prepare himself for death, so he could be quiet even in the face of his own death. But shortly before his death, he got dementia and forgot about meditation. Even worse, he would ramble and squeal in terror randomly, without any context, his mind was at constant unrest. He died exactly how he did not want to die.
So basically, observe the river. Dont swim in it and dont try to stop the current.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿
The river is the mind,
Just observe your thoughts like a passenger seating in the bus.
don't sink or swim, rather just float
Wao beautiful bro...
"The way I appear now, I will never appear again. I am Life, and I am always changing. But still I am, always. And I can always rest in myself."
18:49 "If you are interested in something, you are naturally attentive." Either our interest does not last long or we are actually interested in the result, not the observing. Then a question comes, bringing interest in the inquiry, consequently quieting the mind without effort. I guess that whenever the mind is not quiet, it means we are not interested in what is happening, rather in what could happen or has happened.
Thanks for this very poignant and profound observation...
Lately, my best way of understanding it is this: When we were children, we all knew what it was like to lay down on the grass and watch the passing clouds. We were fascinated--mesmerized--by the changing shapes. This was meditation, the deepest kind of meditation people strive for now with various systems. But it was so easy for us. We didn't even have to try. Sometimes this might have even happened laying on our beds, looking at something relatively "boring" like the light switch or a scratch in the paint on the windowsill. But we were in maybe a relaxed or sleepy state of mind that we still became fascinated and the mind became quiet and one-pointed at looking at this object. This is wht Krishnamurti is talking about: The lack of a purpose or a goal, the simple act of beng fascinated with something. In this moment of fascination we lose ourselves and have an encounter with our primal mind or pure awareness.
The motive of sitting silently and watching thoughts is not just to watch it. the objective is to change previous mindset that reacts to thoughts, the work here is to observe thought without judgement. The mind tends to cling to good feelings or thoughts and avert bad feelings or thoughts, the challenge is to be calm and unattached to both of the thoughts just witness. pure bliss showers when the state comes when you are unaffected by any of them, slowly you can enter the state of no mind. the purpose of sitting silently and watching thoughts comes not just by sitting 20 mins in morning, 20 in afternoon. The meditation is state achieved in between that watching of thoughts.
My experimentations, quite extensive with sitting meditation brought me to a conclusion that it's pointless to sit in meditation for the sake of sitting in it. Even if it's supposed to serve some purpose - even the one you mentioned. Simply because anything you do should derive from the real deep need. Not from a need for calming the mind or any other need that serves a rational purpose, but from The Need - kind of an urge in you. Deep, beyond any rationalism which makes life impossible because it utterly grasps your attention and demands to be seen and respected. This need is the truth about you. Some people have this urge towards revelling the mystery of life in a spiritual way. Others more outwardly in the realm of science or art or any other field. Some people might be extremely dedicated to their families others to achieving god knows what in sport. As far as I understand life, if you follow this urge in you, really focus on it and give yourself to it it will bring you very far. You'll calm your mind naturally - as a side effect - because you're gonna be concentrated on figuring out this what burns inside you. Your life gonna be real and alive. Be yourself, truly and honestly. Don't betray yourself. Nothing more is needed. And damn, you'll achieve wonders. If you engage yourself in practices believing they will reveal anything to you you're just distracting yourself. Take care and everything good to you.
Yes its called stillness
Yes,you are correct
@@Krzysztof_Kasprowiak well said... a very good advice.
@Ken Brown Which part do you think is like "trying to bite your own teeth" - "observing thought without judgement"? Or "changing the previous mindset"? The former is certainly possible; the latter may be just badly expressed - limitations of language - but needs explanation. Of course the mindset does not change if we are thinking: "Oh, I hate this mindset, I wish it wasn't here"! But maybe he just means the habit of reacting to thought with more thought, instead of just looking.
His intelligence is off the charts. He strikes me as one who did not suffer fools.
You can be quiet in day to day activity . By simply becoming the watcher of the thoughts. But i think in morning meditation you can set the tone for all your endeavors for the rest of they day. Not trying to silence or control the mind simply watching and not believing all the thoughts and impulses of it. Being present moment to moment not just in the time of meditation. Thanks JK true legend newly discovered your lectures and love how they let us investigate for ourselves !
It took me 2.5 years to understand him. In the beginning, he would seem very complex but over the time the complexity melts away. Now I believe his talks has too much simplicity. It's refreshing and changed my life completely.
Yes me too at the beginning it's sound to much complex but now it's simple
What exactly changed? Can you please elaborate?
I see lots of comment, saying it took me X years to understand him. Is it some paid comment campaign going on?
Change ask right ques to urself & enquire
@@luckyat50 if you go through his talks first, you might not be able to understand fully. If you do, it's fantastic. But if you don't then you should move on and when you come back next time you will feel that it was so simple what made you not understanding him initially.
I find watching my thoughts to be one of the hardest ventures I've ever come across. So many layers, so incredibly subtle.... Shapeshifting, backstabbing, betraying madness. I just have to keep at it.
Yes
Rewinding what you have been wired to by "culture ". J Krishnamurthy has changed my life.
Sharpest mind to ever walk on Earth.
Vast, yes. Sharp, not really. It’s mainly abstractions.
He helps us so basically, intrinsically, essentially and therefore, so deeply...
Yes... So deep...
Sourabh Raj Bapuli
He does say he doesn't help, but he has helped me.
What do you say about it?
Natty Campos
Natty Campos Some say he helps them some not. I find him frustrating. Not only because of his incessant deviation of topic but he constantly leads me into dead-ends. I find him Condescending too. He's far from 'being-there' (although hell say that himsrlf) I wonder how far he is tho.
Don't get me wrong I hold him dearly in my heart, for many reasons. I'm still an avid pupil and he'll slways be one of my tutors.
Y'know, maybe it be because of his time. A lot if what he says has become alot more succinct. Maybe that is because of him though eh!
Seeing just see .... hearing just hear
14:38 Sit quietly, naturally and listen observe without resistance.
15:14 Short comings of practicing meditation to quiet the mind.
17:13 Then your mind becomes quiet in the process of investigation.
exactly, that is what sitting quietly truly means. No idea why he went into TM distraction, so funny, haha!
He sensed that the asker called BS on his "views" on meditation and got pissed, I'd say.
Isn't that what Mindfulness is?
From my perspective, it doesn't take a physical posture or "proper" place to observe our own mind, it must be done uninterruptedly wherever we are. Any time, any place.
There is no right place or time to observe, there is only observing, that is the first and last step.
Perhaps from there, in that observation that ends up quieting our own minds, not as a sought after purpose but as a natural consequence, only then, perhaps life will begin to reveal to us the deepest and most unknown meanings of our own existence, ever reached by thought.
Yes
It’s true we waste so much time when we ain’t examine our motives.
I've been doing exactly that for about a decade...a sitting quietly practice...and all I can say is that IMO it has had a profoundly positive effect on my life.
I have also but for a good while longer. However I find what K says here absolutely correct in many ways. I no longer have to sit if I don't want to, I can just arrive regardless of surroundings etc etc. I am sure there are some lucky people who can meditate naturally.as K puts it, without any system etc, for the rest of us perhaps formal meditation practices points us in a certain direction where we can begin to discover the essence of meditation and not just a sitting exercise as so many have.
I agree. Meditation saved my life
Corrupted! ;)
Agree. It has profound positive effect on life.
I almost prefer solitude and the time I have to reflect on my decisions I've made . I think anyone who is trying to grow goes through.
Because of j krishnamurti sir I've learnt to observe the "me" i started to understand disorder and therefore by very understanding of disorder comes order I've completely understood that the world is me and i am the world.
How??? eloborate
I have never heard such innocence in voice of anyone......
DEEPAK chandravanshi yes bro... Ravi
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Pure gold and still explained in a way even I can understand. This man was a genius.
Geniuses make also mistakes. K himself didn't want people accept all he said
yes... HE was only Gem ever produced by human race so far... people fail to understand him coz they just don't have such capacity.
Hey, what do you mean, only gem? You haven't met me. :-)
true man
dinesh parmar A child's amazement . Grows wider as his world of experience expands. Incomparably brilliant Gems are plenty.
Sad.
maybe others too but people sure twisted them with books and religions
Meditation is, and has been, the most important part of my life, not because there has been any motive but because it brings an end of sorrows, anxieties, fears and unnecessary desires. I don’t seem to have any motive to have an end of sorrows etc. but that does happen.
Surely desires, greed and so on do come back again. So do come back sorrow and so on. They must be ended again. Therefore to live a happy life I must have meditation.
But that way it only brings a TEMPORARY ending to that specific pain, or anxiety, etc. That is why you will always return to that, and that way you will not be able to advance and you can get stuck if you do not solve it once and for all.
All the emotions and sensations are normal , healthy & natural.
Its okay to have sorrow , sadness , anxiety , fear , anger.
But be aware of that .
Life back to life with maditation.❤️
Meditation ends the sufferings ,
No mind ~ no suffering.💐
@@jigarkheni9053
I disagree respectfully. . Its not "no mind- no thought". . But "No food- no life" and "No fluid- no life". Same with temperature etc. . If the body isn't served by these 'material' conditions no amount of 'meditation ' or 'no mind' or
'no thought' will sustain your existence on planet earth. Sad but true
@@nangotoman9429 There is no eternal peace in life, only in death. Hit the guru with a hammer and he will scream in terror internally, he is just self-composed to the point of apathy, so he can suffer without showing any reaction. Accept that pain is essential to life and you will have one less sorrow.
It is sad that you need meditation to be happy.
Humans are here since 200.000 years ago without meditation.
You don't need to meditate. You could stop to give too energy to this mind energy consuming thing and spent your time talking with people and trying to experience how human mind works.
Stop wasting time and energy.
When walking, just walk. When sitting, just sit. But above all, don't wobble.
He talks and I meditate.. 😊
his talks are meditations!
What is he trying to say? That it has no value?
@@vishalrozera2004 that it has value in observing without a motive and discovering the movement of thought without any effort, desire that direct the observation
So true
Welp, I have been deceived... Always looked like a she to me, although with a tinge of doubt.
Question: You seem to object even to our sitting quietly everyday to observe the movement of thought. Is this, by your definition, a practice, a method and therefore without value?
Now the questioner asks: What is wrong with sitting quietly every morning for twenty minutes, in the afternoon another twenty minutes and perhaps another twenty minutes in the evening or longer - what is wrong with it? By sitting quietly you can relax, you can observe your thinking, your reactions, your responses and your reflexes. What is the motive of those who sit quietly by themselves, or together in a group? What is the motive behind the desire to sit quietly for half an hour every day? Is it not important to find out why you want to do this? Is it because somebody has told you that if you sit quietly you will have parapsychological experiences, that you will attain some kind of peace, some kind of understanding, some kind of enlightenment, or some kind of power? And, being rather gullible, you pay thousands of dollars to receive instructions and a mantra which you can repeat. Some people have paid thousands of dollars to a man who will give them something in return - specially a Sanskrit word - and they repeat it. You pay something and you receive something in return; what is the motive behind it? Why are you doing this? Is it for a psychological reward? Is it that by sitting quietly you attain some kind of super-consciousness? Or is it that you want that which has been promised by your instructor?
So it is important - before we plunge into all this - to find out what is your motive, what it is that you want. But you do not do that. You are so eager and gullible; somebody promises something and you want it. If you examine the motive, you see that it is a desire to achieve something - like a businessman's desire to earn a lot of money. That is his urge. Here the psychological urge is to have something that a guru, or an instructor, promises. You do not question what he promises, you do not doubt what he promises. But if you ask the man who is offering you something: Is it worthwhile? Is it true? Who are you to tell me what to do? then you will find that sitting quietly, without understanding your motive, leads to all kinds of illusory psychological trouble. If that is the intention of sitting quietly, it is not worth it. But if while sitting quietly without any motive, or walking quietly by yourself or with somebody, you watch the trees, the birds, the rivers and the sunshine on the leaves, in that very watching you are also watching yourself. You are not striving, not making tremendous efforts to achieve something. Those who are committed to a certain kind of meditation find it very hard to throw that off because the mind is already conditioned; they have practised this thing for several years and there they are stuck. And if somebody comes along and says: "What nonsense all this is" they may, at a rare moment, become rational and say: "Yes, perhaps this is wrong; then begins the trouble, the conflict, between what they have found rationally for themselves and that which they have been practising for the last ten years - a struggle that is called progress, spiritual progress!
The mind is always chattering, always pursuing one thought or another, one set of sensory responses after another set of responses. In order to stop that chattering you try to learn concentration, forcing the mind to stop chattering and so the conflict begins again. This is what you are doing; chattering, chattering, talking endlessly about nothing. Now, if you want to observe something, a tree, a flower, the lines of the mountains, you have to look, you have to be quiet. But you are not interested in the mountains, or the beauty of the hills and the valleys and the waters; you want to get somewhere, achieve something, spiritually.
Is it not possible to be quiet, naturally - to look at a person, or to listen to a song, or to listen to what somebody is saying quietly, without resistance, without saying, "I must change, I must do this, I must do that", just to be quiet? Apparently that is most difficult. So you practise systems to be quiet. Do you see the fallacy of it? To practise a method, a system, a regular everyday routine, as a result of which you think the mind will at last be quiet; but it will never be quiet; it is mechanical, it has become set in a pattern, dull and insensitive. You do not see all that; you want to get something - an initiation! Oh, it is all so childish.
If you listen quietly, not saying the speaker is right or wrong, or saying, I am committed to this, I have promised not to give it up; I am this, that, the other thing", but listen to what is being said without resistance, then what you are doing is your own discovery, then your mind in the very process of investigation becomes quiet.
So can we, ordinary people, with all our troubles and turmoils, be quiet and listen to all the prattlings of our own movements of thought? Is it possible to sit, or stand, or walk quietly, without any promptings from another, without any reward or desire for extraordinary super-physical sensory experiences? Begin at the most rational level; then one can go very far.
How can i quiet my mind?
If i simply see someone speaking, i see many thoughts arising as well as i see my motive of seeing those thoughts.
@@shawshank..1375
Observe everything, without preference or rejection.
Choiceless awareness. Be aware without motive.
From my perspective, it doesn't take a physical posture or "proper" place to observe our own mind, it must be done uninterruptedly wherever we are. Any time, any place.
There is no right place or time to observe, there is only observing, that is the first and last step.
Perhaps from there, in that observation that ends up quieting our own minds, not as a sought after purpose but as a natural consequence, only then, perhaps life will begin to reveal to us the deepest and most unknown meanings of our own existence, ever reached by thought.
I practice it in any given moments by choice to observe myself and my doings regardless of any opinion or interference about the same
surender mekala also I falled asleep listening to this as if there is nothing else in this world to care for. Such is the charm of this gentleman. Hats off
I bet the world has never seen a man like this guy. Keep aside jesus n buddha. The guy is epitome of TRUTH. Unfortuantely most people dont grasp what he is saying. They'll have their own time to grow up.
+Stillness V I love to copy this excerpt from his 8/1929 Truth is a Pathless Land speech : "..But those who really desire to understand, who are looking to find that which is eternal, without beginning and without an end, will walk together with a greater intensity, will be a danger to everything that is unessential, to unrealities, to shadows. And they will concentrate, they will become the flame, because they understand. Such a body we must create, and that is my purpose. Because of that real understanding there will be true friendship. Because of that true friendship..there will be real cooperation on the part of each one...but because you really understand, and hence are capable of living in the eternal." Together, friends, we become the flame! That's his tireless, limitless love to mankind!
You said keep aside Jesus, Buddha. J Krishnamurthy has never talked irrelevant, I hope u too can focus on same rather than comparing. Just a request, thank you.😀
@Stillness V - Well, thats assuming you know what hes talking about to judge whether others can grasp or not grasp. Extremely arrogant of you to make that call, like you're above everyone else.
No need to compare, they are all one. The five sense are 'Seeing' seperation. The EGO wants to find the BEST and compare. It subtly becomes an EGO trip to claim you are following the BEST and you win because you found him FIRST.
@vphoneac you’re on point and to add, not only can people not understand what he’s externalizing, but aren’t meant to. The Truth is not popular nor will be for hundreds of years. It’s much easier to live in a materialistic paradigm than to question everything existentially. Those who do only make up less that 1% of all of human existence. And that’s ok. This what God intended. I used to be a person who pushed my “weird” thoughts into people, as time went by I began to understand that it’s just not possible unless they are open minded and are seeking True knowledge.
quite ironic, a man denounces himself of being the world teacher becomes the world teacher.
A real world teacher would never say that " You should listen to me i am your teacher" He will always say " you are your own teacher" and that's what Krishnamurti did. :) :) :)
A wise man once said a fool thinks himself to be a wiseman but a wiseman knows himself to be a fool
It’s the only way. :-)
True.
If you're start thinking about yourself that you're a World Teacher, then sooner or later everyone will start to do that. This can quickly, smoothly and imperceptibly turn to cult of the individual and idolatry.
We all only have to listen to theirs words and confront them in our own life, and never worship the individuals, even the most wise ones. And only the wise ones will tell you - do not worship me. For most of the people it is very difficult not to do that because they're not strong enough. This attitude can be converted to fanaticism and teaching will stay only a blurred background.
He declined to be a Leader by saying "truth is a pathless world". It must ultimately be undertaken by oneself despite a plethora of Guides serving as your gurus helping you in various stages in your progress.
If u r interested in something, then u r naturally listening ! catch it and come up ! when u r original,u align and feel it .
Excellent talk - it's great to have such depth of life explored. Thank you Krishnamurti for exploring truth of society rarely explored by speakers.
But what is he trying to conclude? I’m not getting it.
Sitting quietly, or meditating with a method, works momentarily on a very superficial physical plane. But K is leading us to implore our deepest psyche, to see ultimately if we're self-oriented, center-generated doers in this action world. We must be the doer with no center, no identification, no divisions, no conflicts. That's responsible fearless love in action, only mediation in life. Thanks K and friends.
how do you become the doer without center
Very good observation. On JK.
Thank you for that
haha, sitting quietly has not motivation, needs to motivation. K gets distracted by his own motivation against motivation IMHO in this talk :)
My god! What a fantastic insight into the meaning of 'being silent'! Be aware of all the delusions and illusions! Thank you thank you with all my heart and soul JK!
Motive. Why we do it. Why are we compelled. Finding that motive is a meditation in itself perhaps. Tie this to the 4 noble truths taught by the Buddha. The 2nd truth of the cause of stress is craving and clinging to phenomena due to ignorance of the Nature inherent in all things and that they are impermanent. You know the Buddha did warn about three cravings. Sensuality, being, and not being. Those renouncing the world and sitting in quiet meditating in many cases still crave various states of existence or experiences they hope to achieve through that practice. K was on another level. I really love his radical honesty.
We don't mind corrupted spiritually. Be quiet naturally
This struggle is spiritual progress 🙏
I always thought that aiming to achieve a still mind is like conceptually knowing that you're exhausted from muscular tension and then using more muscular effort to try to relax...
Double bind
dude, you are enlightened
helpful thought. thank you for sharing
Same
What really helps is to separate your mind from yourself. If u can achieve that then it becomes small and you r not paying that much (or sometimes at all) to mind understanding it’s only mind and not you
"We are so gullible that if someone tells us something we don't have we want it." Such a powerful means for recognizing the root of most desires one chases in their day to day can so easily be the machinations of someone else's words rather than the product of our own volition...Creation knew what it was doing when it incarnated as this beautiful soul ❤
Dear Jiddu, i wish i could have met you alive...
I am wondering....So Krishnamurthy 's audiences heard his lectures for free !! Wow that's amazing.
yes he is exaggeration a lot, observing ''my thoughts'' doesn't cost me thousands of dollars
Immensely important... sometime doing nothing means doing something..
I just want to cry,
i feel my mind is conditioned for the thought of "studying" that makes listening to any thing that i find useful very difficult. Cause "i have to **learn** from it". In a way that's making me not even paying attention to whatever that i want to know about. I finally feel like i can truly say that i understand what does it mean to be here or to do something without motive or without waiting for something in return. For all the psychological burden that this motive bring, Just be here without trying anything, without forcing anything simply enjoying this beautiful moment and life. Thank you to Krishna murti and thank you to whoever made this channel and posted that vedio and thank you to whoever made that vedio
This made me think of three words, all that happen to start with the letter s.
Simplicity, Silence, Stillness.
Robert Also, shut up and sit down.
Excellent advice,really helped me realize a few things after 21yrs of heroin addiction,Thank you for this,love and Peace
@Ken Brown Oh wow this is why social media & UA-cam are amazing. I've never heard of this guy but I'll check him out.
Hey I wish you are alright man!
Great keep up and big respect 🙌🏿🙏🏿
I think- one cannot start with K but end only possible with K.
Yes very deep and true. I started off from someone else but in the end after so many years of practices ended up to JK.
It doesn't ends with k, k teaches to end with ourselves.
So true
U have understood k pergectly ,
i started off with Krishnamurti...think on these things.....many years ago
Merci Meeschter.
The reward is the experience.
at least I am learning new english words by listening to K sir! Its improving.
An incredibly wise man!
Yes indeed !!!
There's nothing to comment ....i'm just grateful for the lessons that opens my mind to see through the great Illusion....!
It has been proved that meditation has a good impact on health even if the person only seeks avoiding stress
Still humanity is in confusion and fear, full of conflicts..
What a treasure this series is.
It seems at its root the watching of thought is for brain to be sensing brain activity. It's so easy to forget that all consciousness, whether it is the sensation of space out there as the physical environment or the sensation of space-time thought as moment been or possible to be as so-called past/future, is taking place inside the darkness of skull as silent brain activity. Brain seeing, sensing brain activity is the discovery that reveals the root of our existence.
Great wisdom🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for the subtitles.
K is the sunlight which shines light on the darkest and most hidden aspects of humanity and the human mind and sees through everything to an extent that it makes one feel utterly naked and vulnerable.
Everything is put in its place and what remains is just crystal clarity
Big smile on my face listening to this gem.
Most valuable extra ordinary video
Love it...j.krishnamurty sir❤️❤️..you are awesome
thanks for sharing
so deep. This is probably the highest level of meditation. maybe the ultimate.
Or maybe the first...
It's just trying to be sincere and honest toward yourself. Don't glorify it like that 😂
When we act out of selfishness, everything becomes corrupted. It doesn't matter if it's about meditating or helping others. We are doing it to obtain some kind of reward. One must free oneself from one's own selfishness, not by suppressing it or fighting against it, but by understanding the conditioning that prevents us from loving ourselves and loving others. Only an innocent heart is touched by the Truth.
Very true excellent video 👍 brilliant 🎉
Thank you, it's amazing when you observe one self, how one realises how one has forgotten to be himself or herself.
Brilliant !!
What a cut! What a clip, fantastic! :)
And what an ending.. very nice cut!
It is fascinating and joyful to observe Him as He speak :) then the words becomes scent
Meditation is listening to soothing voice of this great man ☺.
Thanks for sharing 🙌🏿🙏🏿
Robert wormalds' observation is correct...atleast he is honest about his learnings and time taken.Such statement comes out of true learning only...please keep going on this path everyday. It's quiet possible that you may have been addicted by now.
As always what he says is profound and of immense value.
I'm telling you this is something else. I just literally found out the exactly same thing. I was doing my "meditation", if you can even call it that. I was laying on a couch and being by myself. I wanted to do this "practise", but I just couldn't force myself. Then it hit me.
Like a lightning from a clear sky. In a second I had questioned that why am I doing this, and also found out that all I want is to achieve something. I saw all that nonsense I was doing.
And then 3 days later, this video pops up. Oh well.. Life is a mysterious phenomena.
Nakki that's not meditation and you shouldn't do anything in life that you don't want to do
@@bsdpowa Yeah.. it's a meditation practise. I didn't do it though..
Thank you
Oh this is great
Beautiful
Great Message
it was very useful for me, thank you.
4:57 "I know some people who have spent thousand and thousands of dollars to pay the man who'll give you something in return, especially a Sanskrit word - that's much more romantic than saying 'Coca Cola'..."
Damn, what a brilliantly terse and funny way to reveal that the emperor's wearing no clothes
I cudnt get meaning of this sentence.. what it is exactly
@@smart31740
You could not get meaning of which sentence madam?
Are you referring to JK' statement or tobo 86's comment?
@@srinivasgannavarapu5008 I think she's talking about the emperor wearing no clothes
Beautiful discovery
meditation relaxes me.
That was excellent….. thank you
It might be strange to u to hear this, but it seems this human being is a man and woman at the same time, he s yang and ying intertwined 🙏
A most important message of our age .
thank you sir
this is superb...
Wow... I didn't expecting that. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Wow, this is the most incredible piece of advice I have received. It took me a while to understand what he was getting at.But in the end he made a lot of sense with the scientise example. So, what he is saying is that the mind can be quiet and peaceful only when you achieve your goal or you are constantly working towards achieving your goal. It is not the nature of the mind to be quiet. Even if you practise meditation for a long time for several years, it will only make the mind full, mechanical and in the end make you crazy because you won't achieve your goal. So, it is important to have a goal at all times.
Not just "to have one", but WHY you have it, the root.
scientists have no goals. they inquire. they hypothesize. they investigate. they do not know where they will end up
Where in this video is he talking about having a goal?? Motive is, if not the same, almost like a goal. What JK is saying here is to simply observe the operation of the mind without any motive or goal. That is, being completely neutral. Not taking any position for or against what's going on in the mind. He is also asking people who practice meditation of any kind to question their motive as to why they are doing it. Some people secretly harbor various desires in doing meditations. Therefore, this bias of having a motive doesn't allow you to observe neutrally. In fact, motive or goals are subtle thoughts. Which means you are back IN your mind and not observing it.
No, he is talking about allowing the mind to be fascinated.
Just keep things simple ,and rational
Know what r u doing ,be conscious about it that's all
Greatest understanding
2.59 what is the motive behind meditation? 6.27 12.30 Practice concentration to stop the continuous chattering of mind
muito grato...
Observe your thoughts..listen to it carefully..i.e your own discovery of what you are doing.
in this very process of investigation mind becomes quite..
Sprinkling beauty into living
Telling myself to "be quiet" begins the motion again. I've learned that awareness is it's own thing. This awareness is what witnesses the mind's activities, including the mind's attempts to 'try' to "be quiet". Natural stillness is not a reward that is 'earned' in an imagined future through some effort driven by mind. Natural stillness IS... here, now.
Yes!
So true .... !!
amazing
Fact revealed about self.......... and understanding about brain is amazing revealtion by this man.... simply application of these facts made many things smooth in living.
Gratitude expression will be very inadequate by words.
Lots of love and affection 🙏
Thanks
Love him!
Meditation with motive is not a meditation at all 💯
Wow very true