Can one live in a timeless state? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2015
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Saanen 1980 - Question #3 from Question & Answer Meeting #2
'You have said that death is total annihilation and you have also said that there is immortality, a state of timeless existence. Can one live in that state?'
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“Love is not an experience” - this is huge!
One of the hardest things ever said. Crazy how just thinking about that one sentence can begin to unravel so many predispositions you have about reality.
I know that resonated so much because I always said love is the glue of existence haha
He is the expression of the ultimate psychology of mankind.
The ability to capture a moment fully is eternity in time.
Living hand-in-hand with death all way long and each moment - I’m over the top grateful to you, dear speaker 🙏
Thought denies love! Love is not a remembrance. Love is not desire!
We are the entire humanity, we are not individuals.
If you drop everything that thought has created, love arises without any effort!
Dying to conflicts originated by thoughts is living in immortality.Thus life and death live side by side.GOT IT SIR.
Beloved Teacher.
he s your guru
When love fails, thought prevails.
His command on so many languages is incredible amongst all other things
“When thought predominates our life, as it does, then thought denies love. Love is not a remembrance. Love is not an experience.” 11:25
Each word he says is worth writing down and reflecting for months together, incredible insight into the very essence of human existence and purpose of life
Thank you so much to the channel runner for uploading these segments.
What a human, in the 80s and now I am grateful to watch him. Long live in the conscious K...
He knew many languages like French, Italian, Dutch.
Wow.
I was just revealed a series of vital realizations, this is the definition of an ever-influential immortality. Namaste Krishnamurti. Namaste, everyone.
Really great work by the back supporters for us.....they are supporting we people. Great salutes Sir ..
Wow. What a clear explanation. After listening to him and had read his books for so many years, today I understood clearly what he is talking about "me" and its death. Amazing! Simply amazing!
Yes, when one kills me, the truth appears
I have listed almost all of his videos. But I still don't understand what he is saying about death. Is is anything after person can feel to continue even without attachment or their is nothing at all. He never expanded properly unfortunately.
I think his idea of death is related to the ending of the existence of the illusion of the observer and the observed. It's something hard to grasp cause when he talks about memory it feels like something that you can't avoid having it. Also gives a sensation of losing identity, which is not a pleasant thing to think about it. But I feel that he means that identity is something that it's not fundamentally so, why are made in the same way in many ways. And that it's death? The ending of time? ( I want to be something different of what it is) and thought is generated by time? What is the sense of identity after that? Such an interesting thing
what he is asking to do is tremendously easy thing..yet we are so heavily conditioned that it appears to be tremendously tough thing to do....
Thankyou for dedicated work. All the background people who have preserved this spiritual masterpiece, thankyou 🙏
We are conditioned heavily so it requires awareness
we are conditioned on what sir? pls explain
we are all immortals . first of all We are all only ONE. I am here from Big bang and live forever infinitely in diffrent diffrent forms .
Such good observations he gives!
7:02 How to face this terrible thing called living... and the vanities that societal structures burden us with.
8:52 Can we die to everything that 'thought' has built in us? It is so true that our thoughts - and worse, the thoughts and beliefs which others burden us with - have built our life.
13:49 We are trained to be individuals... but we bare all humanity's feelings. We have personal abilities... but they are not 'my gift' - that leads to vanity!
17:30 There's always the priest around the corner... or guru... they're all the same. Do good, go to heaven. This only appeals to the egocentric.
Wow.
Thank you ☺️
Extremely well put. Amen Deus Jiddu.
Awesome.
K says : we have to learn to "live" first. This is facing life. Living a content life, happy life, which is full of life. If we learn that, death doesn't matter.
Life is walking hand in hand with death.
how do you know? you thought about it?
i feel one has to find the answer all by oneself; most comments are emanated from pure observation.The question is how do one come to it alone !
good remark but it seems that you misunderstood the whole point of this, if you are actually alone you don t think about how to come to it.
Do you know what alone means?
all one
Timeless piece of eternity !
Thanku so much for sharing such beautiful knowledge. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
धन्यवाद् जिद्दु कृष्णमूर्ति जी🙏
Thank you for making this video..
Thanks for this. Real eye opener. Grateful!!
Love and appreciation for awareness expressed through this form, caring for awareness...
Muitissimo agradecido!
"Time is movement." You can meditate until you are no longer aware of the passage of seconds, minutes, and hours, but your lungs will take in air and your heart will beat.
It doesn't matter you're in a meditation state or not, we're always live in a timeless manner. Hours, minutes, and seconds is just a labelling, it's not the real definition of time. Meditation reminds us the actual nature of time, not losing our awareness about time. We actually become aware of our timeless state.
Gracias gran maestro .
जिद्दु कृष्णमूर्ति जी अमर रहे 🙏
6.44
Reality What is life? 7.44 8.04
Solution the essence of life-8.45 12.38 15.42
He is communicating that which cant be communicated ; O god, its a tremendous thing to be experienced... ineffable !
Yes
Good English
Sir have you experienced this timeless state?
It indeed can be communicated. (takes a bit to get your head around it)
God is a language talking to itself about itself.
No, He never does that..He only talks about what we all can directly see as a fact in our life..
“… or we are the entire humanity”, I know that to be true since a kid.
When we all come from that place where we know each one of us is the entire humanity then we will be truly free because no division and separation, remain just the illusion of it created by thought.
We live in spirit even when dreaming we are not, like material existence makes us believe so.
One is all and all is one. ❤️🔥
7:06 8:40-9:30 !!
jak żyć mimo całej tragedii istnienia: strat, zmagań, przemijalności?
Zrozumieć to tak pełni, że nie ma konfliktu wewnętrznego czy z zewnątrz.
To znaczy umrzeć wobec wszystko co zbudowała myśl. Gdy przestaniesz utożsamiać się ze strukturą to jesteś życiem.
Nie ma egzystencjalizmu, to tylko konstrukt myślowy. Jest tylko uważność i to jest życiem.
Excellent
hats off hats off......
dying to every thing that thought has built each moment is this timeless state
Amazing
Thought is time,movement. Wen u r a part of immortality u can understand it..:) living life without a centre!!!
Mulțumesc ❤🤝❤🙏
Very, very powerful.
thank you❣❣❣
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thanks
Timeless is cessation of ego with humanity's wisdom and love shone through, moving through relations, relation in movement. Eternity is a state as infinity also is, imagined states that denote time and space. Indivisible intelligence+ love shone through Beethoven's Ode to Joy; Van Gogh's Starry Nights; a fragile man tried to stop the Totalitarian Tank; a fireman perished so others may live; Mother Teresa hugging orphans and K in talks, all beauties of us. Humanity tears are the resonation of love,beauty and absolute good. We are just clouded by individual egos to have missed this indivisibility nature of humanity. Sages are not individual doers, they're expressions of humanity's clarity, fluidity and compassion : no subject, verb, nor object but a flow in NOW. Awaken and celebrate this flow, not the length of time. Thanks for posting.
Brother have you directly experienced this state of being? just a humble question
+bedpunisher1 correct
Mother terrisa converting them
Beautiful said..
I am beginning to understand now.
Wisdom, clarity, awareness, compassion and love has nothing common with elitary decadence, richness, inteligence of mind...
...its just a be and never a have. only in the moment of no time exist this real meaning of pure life...
Ilife changing suggestions
Thank God for him
Thank you sir 🙏🙏
Thought denies love.
Alexandra Trifler i first understood, thought denies life.
'I think so i am'... well i don't think so😃
These are all beliefs again, thoughts .... ones dropped what happens?
This guy great
He's always wondering whether or not the audience gets what he's saying to himself, kinda find it humorous. I really want to understand what he is saying, I feel it has supreme significance
licenseless rider Read some of his books. You will better understand what he's saying. Freedom from the Unknown, the Awakening of Intelligence, and the network of thought, are some of his writings.
Even if no one got it, it is recorded for everyone to get it.
Benjie Rodriguez 'Freedom From the Known'
To truly understand what he’s saying you must first experience it. Interesting paradox huh? 😂. Just follow his pointers and you will get there.
I had the same question. I might have figured it out. Lmk if it chimes with you. He is asking people to listen not “listen”. He is not explaining an concept but is pointing to something that is true in us. If we listen, then we would just dust our trousers, say thank you JK and never look back!! The recognition is immediate. Absence of realization implies understanding is replaced with focused attention , resulting in syntactic deconstruction. (Which would be a left turn)
God bless
your work worth immortality.
What he said, that death is not the opposite of live= so it...though u only see it...after u awoke from this hxpnotic dream state of that certain believe and truly inquire into what is actually ,,death" and in reality...one momentum dies 4 the next and so on= quiet simple all...when u are clear.
Nice 2 listen 2 a bodhi clear mind here...no delusions here...nice❤
Eye opening
Death of thought is birth of immortality 😀
A true Genius who hopelessly tries to teach man.
The people around him also were sleepwalkers
Living without a center implies living in the attention of the now, with all the senses working at the same time, living in unitary perception
13:48 - "..Do it and you will find out" !!
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I've arrived yes i know I'm late but i was always here hello everyone 👋
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As he says, if one must end all the thoughts, should it also not include the thought of what I am...
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Have no words to say anything.
Vivir sin un centro implica vivir en la atención del ahora, con todos los sentidos funcionando al mismo tiempo, vivir en percepcion unitaria
We always live in timeless state
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all humans are the same. All humans exist in me and I in them.
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Это выражение неправильно взятое из контекста. Понимать нужно одно, что мы живём в миру, среди людей, даже в ашраме, мы живём в обществе, поэтому в любом месте , мы должны видеть мысль и не подавлять ее, а заменять, не осуждая и не чувствуя вину. Это имел ввиду Кришнамурти.
Любая мысль - это энергия, ее подавлять не следует, ее следует осознать и поменять на позитивную.
we have to attain some potform or have to across some barrier in live and then only we can understand what he is saying
In reply to Stanislav Dian. ( couldn't find a reply button... )
This question - in various ways - has been asked many times. There must be somewhere an answer by K to this question.
From my side I would suggest to read and take time to ponder over the story " The little red riding hood " in its first version by Charles Perrault - in French ( Le petit chaperon rouge ). The following versions of this tale modified the ending and the meaning ( for commercial reasons? ) . In an implicit way you may start to find out the answer "hidden" in the question you put here.
Wish you well too,
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The day a person dies will seem as if it is today
There are two types of people.
Trying to live and living.
K.❤
I wonder if you're getting all this
Stanislav Dian, they are born pure and undistorted but are quickly conditioned by the conditioned adults who are responsible for their survival. Quite simple really.
I am not able to understand
18:03
do it and you find out; how many of u tried it ?
Say,"Did I try it"?
British are shocked,don't know whats going on
how many languages could he speak?!!
Birth is the beginning of body, ego, mind and consciousness and death is just the end of all that. Where are you in all that?
Es ist schwierig ihn durch seine Worte zu verstehen.. Im Kern aber weiß ich schon was er meint! Daher frage ich mich, liegt er ganz richtig in seiner Denkweise? Sein Gedankenweg scheint mir sehr.. Wenn er z. B. über die "Liebe" spricht, so verstehe ich, dass er die "bedingungslose Liebe" meint. Die versuche ich zu leben, und es macht mich.. (meist) glücklich. Er aber scheint es nicht gewesen zu sein, seit er all diesen "Egoismus" abgelegt hat, so empfinde ich, wenn ich ihm zuhöre, ihn mir ansehe. Mag sein, dass das Leben einfacher ist, wenn man die "Gedanken" einfach "wegklickt" und nur beobachtet (ich versuche nicht zu urteilen..). Jedoch, ist das Leben lebenswert, so ganz ohne Emotionen, Gefühle..?
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9:08
Practical memory is pretty vital though.. does that go too in the timeless thoughtless state? If so it might be dangerous - like mistaking red for green & vice-versa traffic lights or not remembering appointments, shopping lists etc.
London Dada your question revolves around you thinking you can make a mistake. This "different" state is exactly the same as your ordinary one except that you get out of your own way. You don't have to constantly check yourself bc there's no need to. If something needs remembering you'll remember, if it doesn't it won't. You don't control it either way.
Agreed, that might only happen if awareness is practiced selectively and not holistically, naturally. There's no need to check whether something needs remembering or not when there is perception because that automatically sees what is practically needed and what is not and so action is taken from that platform of sanity.
I am in a state of total confusion, maybe because I still want to believe and believe in nothing....
Living is dying. Renewal.
what is the correct interpret-ion of that ?