Danielle really does get how to do a comic adaptation: some actors need to be cheesy and unrealistic to counterbalance the more natural characters. That contrast is what makes comics so appealing.
She’s also one of the few actors on the show, along with Grant, that never let the silliness detract from her performance. She knows how to assimilate as an actor.
Despite the general fan reactions to Amunet, I wish that she'd been in more episodes. She was such a cool character in the comics, this meticulous and menacing leader who even formed her own team of Rogues to strategically destroy the Flash. I do think they should've given her a power upgrade as well, since comic Amunet can do so much more than just manipulate metal.
I actually enjoyed the accent because it gave this eerie vibe of not to know what to expect from her. Every time I seen you/ Amunet I was like o shit what is she up to now 😂 love you love her Amazing Actress in general!!! 🌹💐
The thing about the mentality of, "it's superheroes, you can't take it too seriously," is it can be a dangerous perspective to have, whether you're a writer or an actor; because the pitfall becomes when you don't take it seriously enough, it quickly goes off the the rails and becomes camp - and then you've got a Batman costume that's inexplicably anatomically correct or Arnold Schwarzenegger making all kinds of ice puns. And the same thing happened with The Flash. A good example of the anthesis of this would be Michael Caine's performance as Scrooge in "A Muppet Christmas Carol". He's gone on record that he made a conscious decision to play the role as if it were a serious drama that he was performing for the Royal Shakespeare company; so that way his performance could contrast with all the puppets around him and the ludicrous nature of it all and let the humor shine through that. The first season, and most of the second, was phenomenal. But little by little, starting in season 2, the quality began dropping off; the plots and characterizations became too condensed, and at times too corny. It must have been during maybe season 6 or 7, at a point where I had become disenchanted with the show and mostly watched out of habit; I happened to see a clip on UA-cam from season 1. It wasn't very long, and I probably hadn't seen it since it first aired, but it had such punch behind it, it made me think, "Holy shit, this show used to be so good. What the hell happened?"
nothing happened. The later seasons had the same punch and heart as the show has always had, but they did embrace the more wacky comic booky stuff and when you do that, you have to have an air of yes this is a comic book world. If you can accept that this boy can run so fast he goes through time, is having cosmic forces really that crazy? And you're also comparing very different characters. The Flash is a more lighthearted character, yes with seriousness still there, but the show reflects that. Batman is very different from The Flash. But also look at Arrow, season 3 is when Arrow started taking itself way to seriously and thats when they started having issues.
@@cosmicmaster1006 Arrow wasn't remotely taking itself _more_ seriously in season 3 than seasons 1 or 2... I mean, seriously? Come on. The first two seasons were about as dramatic as it gets. And no, the writing for The Flash was nowhere near the same level of quality in later seasons....
@stargazer1682 yea it was. In fact ill say season 6 especially thr bloodwork arc, better than zoom, savitar, devoe and cicada. One of the best of dc entirely. And the show just got better as time went on and it became more acceptable to not be ashamed of the comic roots. And yes, aisde from the few flash crossovers, season 3 was when arrow started almost drowning in its own self seriousness. Making everything all moody oh my dark passenger bullshit. Oh the darkness within me again and again and again. But yknow what im not gonna argue with you. Your opinion is your opinion. And art is subjective. So id like to move on. Have a good day.
Honestly I loved Amunet and I legit hated the accent because it was so fake and overly hammy, but overtime I grew to legit loved whenever Amunet showed up cuz I was like “oh here we go again.” It also helped that my mom cringed everytime she showed up so that just made it better for me. XD
I used to love Amunet and the accent, it was so unique, elegant and fun, making Amunet an even more distinguished villain that helped the contrast to Caitlin. You always stole the scenes, and the chemistry with the gold guy too, it was so good and it was so funny, I really liked Amunet.
I loved Amunet episodes. I was even invested in her romance with the golden meta. Had the right sense of fun. ...and honestly, as a Snowberry fan, that may have been the best couple the show let us have.
I hated amulet it's like she got away with so much sometimes. Like enslaving a meta to make drugs from his powers come on. At least the series ended with her getting arrested off screen
I absolutely loved your portrayal of Amunet. Absolutely hilarious and maybe a bit goofy at times, but simultaneously ruthless and intimidating when she needed to be
I loved how she portrayed that character. It fit how silly the entire show had become by that point. Miller's voice for Capt Cold was just as campy, and that was before the show became more broad. (which actually bothered me once he was given a lot more lines in "Legends")
I absolutely HATED The Flash tv series, but I LOVED Danielle so much! You can blame actors for having to perform bad scripts and premises. Love to Katie and Danielle!!!
The key word is balance, you can have some silly characters in a show like that yet still stay true to its DNA if you complement it with a certain level of seriousness. That is why Mark's Trickster didn't take away from the show. With Amunet it felt like they were constantly shooting at the wall to see what stuck, instead of having the character be a true menace!
I think my favorite part was when Amunet said Barry was the Flash because of his jaw line and I was like finally someone said it because it was driving me insane 😂
great video, really enjoyed the insights! but honestly, i think Amunet Black adds a fun layer to the show that some people just don’t get. sure, she might seem a bit over the top, but isn’t that part of what makes comic adaptations exciting?
I know Katie Sackhoff from Battlestar and she was my fav character from that show. This however i agree when i heard that accent i was like tf is she doing lol
Honestly... I really didn't care for the accent. It was too much for me, personally; which was disappointing, because I generally enjoy seeing Katee in other stuff, but the accent just didn't work for me, on like a level that kind of detracted - some degree - the enjoyment of watching those scenes; because it just seemed too weird. I was waiting for a character to point out the accent was fake, which might have at least salvaged it as an in-narrative thing.
I've been watching Katee on screen for decades now but when I was watching The Flash it never even occurred to me that, that was her. I don't know why.
No disrespect and I should probably watch you on the madelorian but I remember walking in on my mum watching season 4 after I had given up at 3 and I thought I'd give it another try to then see your character be cheesily maniacal and frost treating so serious at which point you hurl like a shard or something at her and it moves slower than a snail runs and she got hit. All respect but funnily enough your character is the reason I proper gave up. My mum had you back and told me to piss off though so dw
Despite it's flaws, one thing that The Flash always understood about comics, is that they are soap operas in tights. Ridiculous and sincere are paramount in my opinion. (Otherwise you end up with the edgelord types who take themselves way too seriously. Even Batman, has a giant penny and animatronic dinosaur in the batcave.
i really liked amunet, i thought she stole every scene she was in. my only disappointment is finding out katie wasn't british because i loved the accent.😜
The accent was really disarming. It sounds sweet and gentle, at first, but some of her dialogue was really cold and evil, and delivered with the accent it made it that much more sinister.
I mean at some point in the show, you already went past where people would be on board like with Grodd or how cartoony Zoom was. Sure, lets go with this idea
Highly disagree with the “campy = no character” mentality. You can have crazy over the top stuff that the Flash had and big exaggerated performances but to say because of that you can just skip over any characterisation is wrong imo, there is a balance that The Flash quickly lost
Director (giving direction): "😐 Don't do that." Guest Actor (ignoring direction): "😢 I wanna do what I wanna do" Fans (dwindling by the episode): "😬 why TF is this show getting worse constantly" Lead Actor (being public therapist for guest actor years later): "😕 Our show could have benefitted from some leadership." UA-cam Commenter (confused by the irony): "😂 So why is it cool for the guest actor to completely ignore the leadership that did happen to be there"
Mark Hamill played The Trickster (live action) on The Flash TV show in the '90s and reprised the role for this show. He also voiced The Trickster for DC Animated Universe.
Flash was such a disappointment after season 2. I don't blame the actors at all. The quality of the writing on that show plummeted so hard. Supergirl and Arrow went the same route. Each of them I felt had potential initially, but then rather than that being a starting point and building up and getting stronger, they turned out to be the zeniths and everything was downhill from there. Amunet was just ANNOYING to me. I think the Caitlin character was mishandled from season 3 onwards. Bringing Frost in was clearly always the plan, but EITHER the show should have gone all-in on Frost being an alter ego and staying evil, and then dealing with the emotional and moral ramifications of that on Caitlin and on everyone else...OR it should have gone hard the other way, and 'Frost' in season 3 was just Caitlin having a psychotic break under the stress of getting powers, and then she has to deal with the emotional and moral ramifications of that. The constant evolution (and retconning) of who Frost was, what her origin story was, and the effective removal of moral agency and responsibility from Caitlin took what could have been the best character on that show and reduced her to just another power-up character. I think Danielle's argument that because it's superheroes they're automatically not grounded and you can do 'whatever' kind of sums up the failure of the Arrowverse (to me) in one sentiment. I think BECAUSE the setting is fantastical, it's actually MORE important that the character thru-lines are MORE relateable and grounded. Spider-Man is a timeless mega-hit because he's the most grounded superhero. Lord of the Rings is high fantasy with the most ridiculous circumstances, but what makes it WORK is the utter mundanity of it's main characters - just a bunch of dudes who want to eat second breakfast and smoke weed.
Amunet was ridiculous but it was more the show just getting ridiculous & cheesy at that point rather than the actor doing anything wrong. If the overall writing was better Amunet would've been better. I did enjoy seeing her come back though later on.
Ok,... THANK GOD SHE REALIZED THAT, i just wish she made an excuse when they called her back, she was trash. Btw the previous show running was Danielle's simp, i know she was pissed when he left cuz he was writing in her favor.
Danielle really does get how to do a comic adaptation: some actors need to be cheesy and unrealistic to counterbalance the more natural characters. That contrast is what makes comics so appealing.
She’s also one of the few actors on the show, along with Grant, that never let the silliness detract from her performance. She knows how to assimilate as an actor.
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Despite the general fan reactions to Amunet, I wish that she'd been in more episodes. She was such a cool character in the comics, this meticulous and menacing leader who even formed her own team of Rogues to strategically destroy the Flash. I do think they should've given her a power upgrade as well, since comic Amunet can do so much more than just manipulate metal.
I remember not liking her character at first, but then they brought her back again in the same season and I thought she was really fun!
I actually enjoyed the accent because it gave this eerie vibe of not to know what to expect from her. Every time I seen you/ Amunet I was like o shit what is she up to now 😂 love you love her Amazing Actress in general!!! 🌹💐
Amunet was giving camp and I was here for it accent and all!
The thing about the mentality of, "it's superheroes, you can't take it too seriously," is it can be a dangerous perspective to have, whether you're a writer or an actor; because the pitfall becomes when you don't take it seriously enough, it quickly goes off the the rails and becomes camp - and then you've got a Batman costume that's inexplicably anatomically correct or Arnold Schwarzenegger making all kinds of ice puns. And the same thing happened with The Flash.
A good example of the anthesis of this would be Michael Caine's performance as Scrooge in "A Muppet Christmas Carol". He's gone on record that he made a conscious decision to play the role as if it were a serious drama that he was performing for the Royal Shakespeare company; so that way his performance could contrast with all the puppets around him and the ludicrous nature of it all and let the humor shine through that.
The first season, and most of the second, was phenomenal. But little by little, starting in season 2, the quality began dropping off; the plots and characterizations became too condensed, and at times too corny.
It must have been during maybe season 6 or 7, at a point where I had become disenchanted with the show and mostly watched out of habit; I happened to see a clip on UA-cam from season 1. It wasn't very long, and I probably hadn't seen it since it first aired, but it had such punch behind it, it made me think, "Holy shit, this show used to be so good. What the hell happened?"
I’m not reading all that
nothing happened. The later seasons had the same punch and heart as the show has always had, but they did embrace the more wacky comic booky stuff and when you do that, you have to have an air of yes this is a comic book world. If you can accept that this boy can run so fast he goes through time, is having cosmic forces really that crazy?
And you're also comparing very different characters. The Flash is a more lighthearted character, yes with seriousness still there, but the show reflects that.
Batman is very different from The Flash. But also look at Arrow, season 3 is when Arrow started taking itself way to seriously and thats when they started having issues.
@@cosmicmaster1006 Arrow wasn't remotely taking itself _more_ seriously in season 3 than seasons 1 or 2... I mean, seriously? Come on. The first two seasons were about as dramatic as it gets.
And no, the writing for The Flash was nowhere near the same level of quality in later seasons....
@stargazer1682 yea it was. In fact ill say season 6 especially thr bloodwork arc, better than zoom, savitar, devoe and cicada. One of the best of dc entirely. And the show just got better as time went on and it became more acceptable to not be ashamed of the comic roots.
And yes, aisde from the few flash crossovers, season 3 was when arrow started almost drowning in its own self seriousness. Making everything all moody oh my dark passenger bullshit. Oh the darkness within me again and again and again.
But yknow what im not gonna argue with you. Your opinion is your opinion. And art is subjective. So id like to move on. Have a good day.
@@stargazer1682 facts
Amunet black was crazy over the top in all the right ways
Honestly I loved Amunet and I legit hated the accent because it was so fake and overly hammy, but overtime I grew to legit loved whenever Amunet showed up cuz I was like “oh here we go again.” It also helped that my mom cringed everytime she showed up so that just made it better for me. XD
I used to love Amunet and the accent, it was so unique, elegant and fun, making Amunet an even more distinguished villain that helped the contrast to Caitlin. You always stole the scenes, and the chemistry with the gold guy too, it was so good and it was so funny, I really liked Amunet.
I loved Amunet episodes. I was even invested in her romance with the golden meta. Had the right sense of fun. ...and honestly, as a Snowberry fan, that may have been the best couple the show let us have.
I hated amulet it's like she got away with so much sometimes. Like enslaving a meta to make drugs from his powers come on. At least the series ended with her getting arrested off screen
I absolutely loved your portrayal of Amunet. Absolutely hilarious and maybe a bit goofy at times, but simultaneously ruthless and intimidating when she needed to be
The legend is hereee
I thought she really was English, until I saw another clip of this interview. She really played the character well.
You did??? It's by far the WORST english accent ever put on screen. It's AWFUL.
💀
No she didn’t. Easily the worst English accent ever put on screen.
@@caffeineaddictlolecksdee me too. well done Danielle!
have you ever met an English person? Honestly it was up there with Dick van dyke for dreadful accents
I loved how she portrayed that character. It fit how silly the entire show had become by that point. Miller's voice for Capt Cold was just as campy, and that was before the show became more broad. (which actually bothered me once he was given a lot more lines in "Legends")
Yeah, Cold's schtick was great in small doses, like Deadpool. But too much is noticable and then becomes a detractor instead of a positive.
I absolutely HATED The Flash tv series, but I LOVED Danielle so much! You can blame actors for having to perform bad scripts and premises. Love to Katie and Danielle!!!
The key word is balance, you can have some silly characters in a show like that yet still stay true to its DNA if you complement it with a certain level of seriousness. That is why Mark's Trickster didn't take away from the show.
With Amunet it felt like they were constantly shooting at the wall to see what stuck, instead of having the character be a true menace!
I loved the Mockney accent. Over the top and proper moustache twirly!
Was it authentic? No, but it was marvellous!
Amunet was one of my favorite characters on Flash! She had flair like that of Snart.
Amunet Black is such a fun character! Loved her!
Tell me you don't get superheroes without telling me you don't get superheroes.
Loved Amunet's accent. ♥️
I think my favorite part was when Amunet said Barry was the Flash because of his jaw line and I was like finally someone said it because it was driving me insane 😂
great video, really enjoyed the insights! but honestly, i think Amunet Black adds a fun layer to the show that some people just don’t get. sure, she might seem a bit over the top, but isn’t that part of what makes comic adaptations exciting?
I love the energy going on between the two of them.
I loved Amunet Black. I wish she had more appearances.
I know Katie Sackhoff from Battlestar and she was my fav character from that show. This however i agree when i heard that accent i was like tf is she doing lol
Amunet Black was one of my fave villains, because she was over the top, she was out there.
"fantasy (...) ridiculous"
Cécile / Virtue : hold my beer, I'm in!
I loved everything about Amunet
Superheroes are ridiculous to begin with so asking if one character is more ridiculous than any other is silly.
Amunet was my favorite villain in the show. Absolutely loved her.
I actually loved her as that character; one of thr funner villains during the shows run.
In the comics, Amunet Black goes by the name Blacksmith and she is more OP than the Amunet on the show.
She was awesome i haven't seen her in any role that wasnt great ! Great actresss
Honestly... I really didn't care for the accent. It was too much for me, personally; which was disappointing, because I generally enjoy seeing Katee in other stuff, but the accent just didn't work for me, on like a level that kind of detracted - some degree - the enjoyment of watching those scenes; because it just seemed too weird. I was waiting for a character to point out the accent was fake, which might have at least salvaged it as an in-narrative thing.
I thought it was banging. Campy AF.
I LOVED Amunet every time Katie was on the show it was like "Oh, SHIT this is going to be good"
I've been watching Katee on screen for decades now but when I was watching The Flash it never even occurred to me that, that was her. I don't know why.
I'm from the UK, and I didn't mind it at all. I thought it was cool.
She was histerically funny
I LOVED that over the top accent! 😅
I didn't know what the accent was but she was one of the best villains on the show
I was super impressed with the Accent (I'm British)
And the acting was great (as always)
It was so ridiculous I loved it 😂 it was funny during the comedy of that season
The mark hamill trickster was more grounded in the 90s show despite the ridiculous costume. Its actually super scary
No disrespect and I should probably watch you on the madelorian but I remember walking in on my mum watching season 4 after I had given up at 3 and I thought I'd give it another try to then see your character be cheesily maniacal and frost treating so serious at which point you hurl like a shard or something at her and it moves slower than a snail runs and she got hit. All respect but funnily enough your character is the reason I proper gave up.
My mum had you back and told me to piss off though so dw
Amunet was so over the top for me (Which means something for The Flash), that I found it hillarious. 😂
Love your show Kadie, and you were also great in Madlarian as well as the Flash too 💖👍
She was the least ridiculous character on the show.
I loved ur character
Honestly Amunet is one of my favorite villains lol.
The best comic book superhero show since the original Batman
Flash was great the first 3 seasons.
I actually liked Amunet Black 😭 She's quirky and fun
Despite it's flaws, one thing that The Flash always understood about comics, is that they are soap operas in tights. Ridiculous and sincere are paramount in my opinion. (Otherwise you end up with the edgelord types who take themselves way too seriously. Even Batman, has a giant penny and animatronic dinosaur in the batcave.
i really liked amunet, i thought she stole every scene she was in. my only disappointment is finding out katie wasn't british because i loved the accent.😜
The accent was really disarming. It sounds sweet and gentle, at first, but some of her dialogue was really cold and evil, and delivered with the accent it made it that much more sinister.
Does Katee ever discuss Bitch Pudding? She seems like she has a lot of fun with that character too.
I mean at some point in the show, you already went past where people would be on board like with Grodd or how cartoony Zoom was. Sure, lets go with this idea
What's the show runner's job?
Highly disagree with the “campy = no character” mentality. You can have crazy over the top stuff that the Flash had and big exaggerated performances but to say because of that you can just skip over any characterisation is wrong imo, there is a balance that The Flash quickly lost
I thought amunet black was very entertaining but the idea of giving Kaitlin and frost a nemesis like this was really weird.
Nahh amunet was one of my favorite villains 😂
It was like an villainous Dick Van Dyke.
That accent was terrible
😂
In a good way. 😂 I'm from the UK, and I dug it. 🤷
@ashfuller3480. I liked it since it made her character more eccentric.
I didnt even notice it 😂
As somebody from the UK, I thought the accent was bad. Americans have no idea how the British actually sound.
I thought the accent was hilarious very much reminded me of the accents in the Fable video games😂.... Over exaggerated & hilarious
How many thought it was an Australian accent ?
I don't remember her at all!
ok now i understand why the show went off the rails. lol
Her eps were the best eps of flash. She was the best villain it ever had
This is just objectively false.
I love you, Katee, but that accent really was bad
The accent was bad😢
Yes, it was a bad "accent," Dick van Dyke levels of bad.
Hated it all
Admittedly... I didnt want her to do that accent either...
She'll always be Starbuck
Director (giving direction): "😐 Don't do that."
Guest Actor (ignoring direction): "😢 I wanna do what I wanna do"
Fans (dwindling by the episode): "😬 why TF is this show getting worse constantly"
Lead Actor (being public therapist for guest actor years later): "😕 Our show could have benefitted from some leadership."
UA-cam Commenter (confused by the irony): "😂 So why is it cool for the guest actor to completely ignore the leadership that did happen to be there"
She mentioned him, but Mark Hamill as a guest would be amazing
Mark Hamill played The Trickster (live action) on The Flash TV show in the '90s and reprised the role for this show. He also voiced The Trickster for DC Animated Universe.
@@simprophet Not to mention he voiced Trickster in LEGO DC Super Villains.
Flash was such a disappointment after season 2. I don't blame the actors at all. The quality of the writing on that show plummeted so hard. Supergirl and Arrow went the same route. Each of them I felt had potential initially, but then rather than that being a starting point and building up and getting stronger, they turned out to be the zeniths and everything was downhill from there.
Amunet was just ANNOYING to me. I think the Caitlin character was mishandled from season 3 onwards. Bringing Frost in was clearly always the plan, but EITHER the show should have gone all-in on Frost being an alter ego and staying evil, and then dealing with the emotional and moral ramifications of that on Caitlin and on everyone else...OR it should have gone hard the other way, and 'Frost' in season 3 was just Caitlin having a psychotic break under the stress of getting powers, and then she has to deal with the emotional and moral ramifications of that.
The constant evolution (and retconning) of who Frost was, what her origin story was, and the effective removal of moral agency and responsibility from Caitlin took what could have been the best character on that show and reduced her to just another power-up character.
I think Danielle's argument that because it's superheroes they're automatically not grounded and you can do 'whatever' kind of sums up the failure of the Arrowverse (to me) in one sentiment. I think BECAUSE the setting is fantastical, it's actually MORE important that the character thru-lines are MORE relateable and grounded. Spider-Man is a timeless mega-hit because he's the most grounded superhero. Lord of the Rings is high fantasy with the most ridiculous circumstances, but what makes it WORK is the utter mundanity of it's main characters - just a bunch of dudes who want to eat second breakfast and smoke weed.
Amunet was ridiculous but it was more the show just getting ridiculous & cheesy at that point rather than the actor doing anything wrong. If the overall writing was better Amunet would've been better. I did enjoy seeing her come back though later on.
Flash should have been canned around season 5.
You can tell the show runner got let go season 4 because show got terrible after that
Love Katee. Hated this character.
Ok,... THANK GOD SHE REALIZED THAT, i just wish she made an excuse when they called her back, she was trash. Btw the previous show running was Danielle's simp, i know she was pissed when he left cuz he was writing in her favor.