The GS has always occupied a special place in my heart and when the GS F came out, I was like whoa! For me personally it was too big to own, so I gravitated to the IS line. If you have kids, require the extra space, and want performance with refinement (...and not the stigma of a Charger), the GS F is a solid choice. Nice review!
I am approaching almost 1-year with my 22' IS500 Launch Edition. The V8 2UR-GSE is smooth as silk. I love the GSF but the used market prices are insane on the GSF.
My Launch Edition 500 was the best built car I ever owned but as well the most boring lol. 8 months of ownership and adios, felt like a damn boat but do agree it’s a beautifully built vehicle that is smooth as silk. Hope others are more happy with it than I was
I was able to trade my GS 350 to a GSF in 2021 and glad I did. It was way less than what they are asking for them now and I got it with really low miles. Had to drive to Colorado for it but driving back home was so much fun. I will never get rid of it!!
How would you compare your overall experience between the two vehicles? Is the GS F worth it as far as the driving dynamics overall joy of driving goes? Is there too much difference between the comfort level or if the GS F too harsh a ride for daily driving? Would really appreciate a response! Thank you!
Got mine back in 2016 and daily drove for 4+ years. Was going to replace it with the LC500, but then 2020 took down my business. Fun facts: I remember when people were getting them in the $60k's in 2016 because they were hard to sell. Mine was one of the first, I only had 3 digits in my VIN. Last one ever built is ultra sonic blue with black & white interior and is owned by the master tech at my dealer, Lexus of Great Neck in NY. Canada got better optioned GS-F's. They got forged carbon fiber trim, heated steering wheel, headlight washers, power trunk, sun shades for the back seats and rear window and media/HVAC controls in the back seats. Not sure why Toyota didn't give these options to the rest of the world. The Japanese market has unique interior colors like orange and black. There were 2 Canadian cars that were imported and sold in Florida in 2016. A third one was bought in Buffalo, NY and now lives in NYC, I have seen in person. Test drove the IS500 last year and it's not even close to the GS-F or RC-F. Here's my dislikes: The tech sucked. Transmission was hesitant in heavy traffic. Seats were not the comfiest, even though they looked great. Heating and cooling was non-existent in them. You really had to drive it in sport+ and live above 4k rpm to enjoy it. But yeah, it's a blast to drive. If I were to get one again, I'd get the 10th anniversary edition with the blue interior and keep it forever 😍. To me, it was the modern day E39 M5 with an auto and I loved it.
Oh wow I’m sorry to hear about your business I hope you build it back bigger and better. And thank you very much for taking the time to share these details
I had identical thoughts after owning and driving a 2016 daily for 2 years. Sport+ mode was only mode worth using except on occasion long highway drives - not bad MPG if in normal. The transmission shift speed was finicky and slow in auto. But I thought manually up/down shifting in sport+ was pretty quick.
Same thing with the 2014-2020 IS. In Japan, Canada and the rest of the world you had real wood trim, hybrid, memory seating, auto rear sunshade, parking sensors, power folding mirrors, headlight washers... In the US model they sorta "cheaped out". So unfortunate, but it is what it is. 🙃
Bought mine back in 2020, did have a second thought of trading it in for something faster but end up keeping it. Greatest choice ever perfect daily and catching people off guard with it 😂
I test drove a 2016 GsF a few days ago and that’s exactly what I was thinking. It looks deceptively like a tame family sedan. But you could shock the hell outta people
Happiest day of my life was when I purchased my gsf (my dream car) over a year ago and I'm still just as happy as day 1. Have a 16' molten pearl edition just hit 44k miles. Apexi racing exhaust with no cats and other smaller mods. Straight up beast. Sold my scat pack charger for it and it rides so much better and even has a better top end.
Recently got one of the last GSFs made. Smokey Granite Mica over Rioja red interior. Blue calipers. Basically the same spec reviewed by Doug Demuro (might be the same car for all I know). Had 13k miles when I bought it. This car is so solidly built, the engine is smooth, the ride is smooth and compliant, and the sound system thumps.
People will say the BMW, Mercedes, and Audi equivalent models will be faster, but this will by WAY more reliable, hold it's value much better, and will be so much more practical.
Reliability only matters to those that keep stuff for 300 years. These are luxury products for those with disposable incomes and most likely will own multiple cars. There are some great Euro turds out there that I would be more than happy to lease & dump but what people need to understand about Lexus is they actually make a car that communicates with the driver more than a lot of the Euro stuff. Plus the NA V8 has more character when equipped with an exhaust. Reliability is a bonus I suppose but not the reason why I like these cars.
Yes, especially the 2012-2014 models with LSD. I drive the 2014 GS350 and there is something about Lexus vehicles, you have to drive one to understand the feeling.
Great review! I'm on my second GS (went from a 2013 to a 2016), and I can't even imagine how awesome the F would be. I'm itching for an upgrade soon, but I will probably end up going for one of the last great V8 LS models since these F's don't show any signs of becoming more affordable anytime soon.
I’m currently saving up for an 2016 / 2017 Lexus GS450h and I will only drive it on the summer times and leave it in the garage on winter times, It’s so sad that the GS is discontinued, I love the GS❤
Installed a JoeZ catback exhaust on my 16' GSF a few weeks ago, and let me tell you, its exactly what the car was missing! Sounded way too tame from factory, the intake/induction noise was louder.
2016 GS-F had fixed Sachs dampers, 2017 and up has AVS. Also the GS chassis is far superior to the IS chassis. I love both cars. Either way you can't go wrong in my opinion. I picked up a 2016 GSF for cheap because someone didn't love it in its previous life. I've been slowly fixing it up to daily drive. I just sold my 2015 Crafted Line LS 460 Fsport. It was mint but I kinda got a little bored with it. The GSF definitely scratches that performance itch.
@ozhoneybadger They had color swapped it to white and put a bunch of dumb black wrap all over it. This would have been fine if they hadn't forgotten to reinstall a bunch of gaskets and moldings all around the car and hung the doors and fenders correctly. This and they had routed a bunch of hoses wrong under the hood and installed the wrong spark plugs. There was about 12 dents in it all over the place. The tires were junk, the left rear door panel was not on right, there was a few wiring issues in the car. I don't know who the previous owner was, but they were ignorant. Needless to say I've fixed all of it including re painting some of the car. I paint corrected the rest of it. It's good to go now. And no, not all Lexus owners take care of their cars. You can say that about any brand.
As a previous owner of a GSF. The IS500 is not a replacement for a proper F product. It lacks proper cooling systems, suspension components, and steering refinement for track use or heavy spirted canyon driving. A GSF costs more than a IS500 because it is a superior sport sedan when taken to the limits. Obviously most people are not taking IS500/LC500 to their limits so that doesn’t matter. Either way I agree with the rest of your points but I wouldn’t recommend buying a LC500 or Is500 over a F. Then again I traded my GSF for a M3CS so I am biased towards sport/track sedans than comfort.
Exactly if you wanted limit performance just get a 911 GT3 not a 4 door luxury car. So many fail to understand this concept if you want a track car you just buy a track car. The track is just good marketing for these luxury sedans. Means nothing on the street.
The problem is the usage. We cannot know what the original owner did to the car. I cannot trust that, a 60 grand + for a used car is too much even though it's a solid car. And once the warranty expires and it gets issues the V8 work will be higher. So the newer IS 500 is the only choice left for buyers who want a first hand experience of a Lexus. The new IS is not a joke either, the V8 version gets Engine Oil cooling, the reinforcement for the Front suspension system and the Yamaha Performance Dampers in the rear, also an option of BBS Forged, although I like the Enkei ones which are stock. Plus the same transmission used in GS F / IS F. Finally the Redline is 7100RPM. Yea the leather is gone, rear space is limited and lack of other things like TVD but it's the only car left in the market which is a 4 Door and has a V8.
Ooo hey, perfect video for me since I bought a 2016 GSF through my work this year. Finally tuned/did the intake this week! Still waiting on my wrap as it’s backordered until after Christmas and my RR racing Bazooka exhaust won’t be finished being made until mid January.
@@MeynMotorGroup I was originally anti GSF due to the mousepad infotainment controls over the trac pad in the Lc500 and LS500 I tested. I still want a LC500 but needed 4dr and space as a daily. The fact I live in vegas if I ever win some big jackpot then I would put the LC500 convertible as a possible 3rd car option. Overall the vehicle has been superb and even had a little street race cat n mouse game with a C7 corvette just 3 days ago. Car can get a little squirrelly when launching off the line in expert mode, guess I got so used to having AWD cars.
One of the things that is really going to make these cars future collectibles: Only about 2400 made over 5 years for the North American market. 400+ already salvage title, and over half of the "clean title" ones already have accidents on them. In 2024, there are already a dozen or so over 200k miles. As Doug Demuro once said: "The GSF is a terrible new car, but a fantastic used one"
If you can’t find a good deal on a GS F, the closest thing might be a last gen LS 460 F Sport with the slightly smaller 4.6L 1UR but with 6 piston brembos in the front, Torsen LSD, forged BBS wheels, variable gear ratio steering and air suspension. You can find decent used examples for around $25k. I got one recently and it’s miles ahead of the 2007 LS 460 I had that was a total boat. It’s not a full F model but it’s closer than other F sports models.
@@MeynMotorGroup I could not afford the last of them. But was able to get one of the few GS F sport Blacklines. Definitely a keeper. The GS is a great vehicle Nice review 👍
I’ve been eyeing this to replace my 07 GS350 but damn these prices for this car is borderline insane and my 350 is quite a quick already and seems the 6 Speed auto is worlds better programmed than Lexus’s 8 Speed. And 0-60 for GS350 in 07-11 era was 5.7 sec.
This time I disagree with you 100%, the GSF is a completely different car than the is500, even though the engine is same, many other things are very different.
Well I just don’t think it’s worth it to most people to pay $10k more for a 3 year old car that has some additional cooling bits for the transmission. What most people do want is that engine of course, a new car with a warranty, and all the updated tech and interior which is what the IS 500 offers in this current market. Please keep in mind the current market conditions.
@@MeynMotorGroup The GSF was made to also be an all day track car without question, the is500 simply is not. Just because you wouldn't pay extra doesn't mean others wouldn't. Also the GSF is a much more roomy car for everyday use, you failed to mention that part.
@@samaccurso do you take your 4 door heated seat luxury car to the track? If so great but nobody does that. Please understand the “track” is a marketing gimmick to make a good ad to sell cars. This is not a race car. The only track a GS F is going to see is the Starbucks drive thru. Many like to pretend like they are track day hardasses but if that’s the case, why not just get a real race car like an Ariel atom? Or better yet just get a motorcycle. Reality my friend is much more important to me than the fantasy of taking a luxury barge to a track. The GS F has .6 inches more legroom than the IS 500. The GS F does have a significantly larger trunk however than the IS 500 at 14 cubic ft vs 10.5 cubic feet. God Bless my friend and I hope you and your family have a phenomenal 2023!
@@MeynMotorGroup It's more than extra cooling bits man.. GS F design and development were headed up by Yukihiko Yaguchi. This actually means things. Additionally, the suspension bits. The chassis bracing. The track testing. As opposed to stuffing a V8 into an otherwise stock, entry level luxury compact sedan.
Yes Mr. Peter but I guess my point is, just how much of that matter for street driving. A Porsche 911 is infinitely more capable than any Lexus car however a Porsche isn’t necessarily more fun to drive on a street because of this. The F cars and LC are satisfactory on street for it’s organic and natural driving feel plus engine. Not because of the specs because any Euro turd would spank these Lexus cars. It’s hard concept to convey hopefully you understand. GS F is great and pedigree is cool but I think of things more so from the financial/pragmatic perspective
@@MeynMotorGroup Kind of unrelated but I think the LS would have much closer sales numbers to the Genesis if they left the V8 in the car!! I think the 5litre would be a perfect match!! And it's not to late, try it and see what happens!!!!!
The same way you all feel about your GSF, is exactly how I feel about my IS F.... It's a bit shocking for a Lexus is what they tell me. The IS F is such a sleeper and really unexpected to those who don't know.
Is there a video anywhere of you driving a GSF? Couldn't see one on your channel would love to watch you do a test drive. Current owner of a 2014 GS F-Sport and working towards achieving my dream of owning a GSF!
No unfortunately I never got to do a review of the GS F I only drove one at a dealership after I sold my LC, thought about buying the GS F but ended up not getting it bought a new Challenger Scat Pack manual then I flipped it. However, I did get an RC F press car for a week and I filmed my driving thoughts on that car feels pretty similar to the GS F but the RC F feels a bit more snappy then the GS F due to the shorter wheelbase.
It's a Lexus if I have the $$$ definitely my first choice over BMW or Audi.. built the right. and reliable. another reason why they are expensive used.
Very timely video, I’ve started to look at these. Do you have a Indy Lexus Shop you like in the Triangle area for PPIs? I’m over by chapel hill. Johnson lexus had a CPO one, didn’t even last a week.
Was going to get one but decided to go german. End up getting a amg cls 53, heck from factory the exhaust has pops and crackles. Nothing compares to a german car. Thats coming from someone who only owned japanese cars. Currently still have a 08 lexus gs460.
I have to admit, CLS 53 is pretty phenomenal has a ton of character and does indeed sound great from factory. Chassis is excellent, you did a great job with that car. BMW & Audi can’t match the Mercedes character when driving only problem with Benz is they are so damn expensive. If you got the funds tho, I would go Benz too.
@@MeynMotorGroup the car looks great and the interior is a plus. Lexus was is so behind on that department. It made my choice easy. Puts a smile on my face when in sports plus mode and i full send it.
Can you explain again or link to the video that shows how to use the vin of a Lexus to see what maintenance has been done during the life of the car please?
Just Go to the Lexus drivers website it should pop up in google. Make an account and enter the vin of the car you’re thinking of buying as your own car so you can see the history
As far as I can tell, Lexus took this feature away recently. You can always pay for Carfax to get a report. Or if your mechanic has Carfax they can look it up for you.
Florida Fine Cars in Miami FL has a nice 2019 10th anniversary with only 30k miles for sale at 63k not bad for 1 of 100 units. Very unique car to get if you are into GSF
My issue with most Lexus models (past and present) is that they tend to have awkward or overdone exteriors and interiors. Only exceptions are/were the 1st gen LS and SC and currently the LC. Regarding the current IS I don’t think it’s possible to spec real leather anymore - only the fake stuff. Another dealbreaker for me.
Ground clearance is good. Howveee front bumper hangs quite forward compared to hub of wheels. So steeper driveways are an issue even at stock height. Hence why I’m on air bag suspension.
question?..............looking for a titanium burnt tip exhaust with a deep sound............other than Toms....any suggestions and prices.....THANK YOU............2018
You do get forged wheels and big brakes. The rest is up to you on how important they are when bending corners at Starbucks and if that’s worth paying $9k more for something that’s 3 years old with miles and no warranty then by all means my friend enjoy your TVD. I’m going to be talking about the same things in the RC vid I’m about to post
@@MeynMotorGroup I do have the 2015 is250 as well, but that is250 always sitting in the garage. The RCF is perfect for any purpose to drive, i brought the RCF to track when it was 126k mileage. Now is my daily + delivery car.😂 (putting 200+ miles per day) Also, I wish you could do more and more used high mileage vehicle review in the future. Definitely stick with your channel. 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
Yup I love these things to but the price in these markets just doesn’t make sense. To everyone that bought a clean mint one pre pandemic for like $45k, they did great
Right before covid gsf's were becoming a hot bargain then they shot back up (don't entirely know why or who's shooting up the price🤔), now it just doesn't make sense to buy, you can just get a scatpack or like you said a lc/is500 if you really need a lexus v8
Yea people think I don’t like these cars but that’s not true it’s just that in this current market it doesn’t make sense to buy and it’s getting older as the years go by. Still an epic car tho and def made sense pre pandemic
They're still 70k in the used market because people are willing to pay that. Which is evidenced by all the (apparently insanely wealthy) commenters talking about how they just got one.
They didn’t just get one they got them when they were 45k 3 years ago with low miles which is exactly what it’s worth and that’s really all this experience is worth. Buy an LC if you want a proper V8 experience that’s worth paying over $70k for.
Isn't the IS500 much smaller inside though? I'm 6'5" and always assumed the IS / ES was for the wife and the GS / LS was for the larger dudes. Even when the IS first launched, it seemed to be marketed toward the ladies. I never see a large man getting out of an IS.
Man I really want this thing 😮💨 I have a really clean 2011 GS with 120k, if the right offer came about I'd sell it in a heartbeat to get the GSF. But, then I think about the current car market 🗑
Yea some people mistook me for not liking this car, what people failed to understand was the GS F simply does not make any sense to buy as a used car right now. Paying $45k for it 3 years ago with like 25k miles fine that was ok and exactly what this car and experience was worth. However now, for the $45k that car is 6 years old with double maybe even more miles than that and it’s not worth it at that point and def isn’t worth spending $70k+ for. And regardless of what some people say in the comments, 90% of this experience can be had in a GS 350 F Sport RWD. If you buy an F car you have to put an exhaust on it. This is why in this market I only recommend the IS 500 F Peromance new or an LC 500. LC feels vastly superior to all of these cars
Great car. However after test driving it I was unimpressed with the power output. It sounded like you going fast but you weren’t. At the time I owned a 2013 LS 460 L and it was the same issue. My 2017 Mercedes Benz S550 cabriolet 4.7 liter is much faster due to the 517 ft pounds of torque.
I hate that they so expensive cause I want a gsf my big brother bought his 2013 isf back in 2015 he spent 50k on that thing im they sure do hold value but dag gum
GSF>Is500.also LC500 is nothing like GSF, yes it has the same engine but does not drives as well but yes it looked much more exotic. Lc500 is a GT car. meanwhile GSF is track ready with 4 doors. In the end you can't go wrong with either of those. I wish they Brought back the ISF; Is500 you can some of the goodies but its missing good brakes, trans cooler etc
I want one but for a used still 50k to 70k in the market like my brother got a 2013 isF for 45k literally to much for a used car kno I understand that they hold value very well but dag gum
Yes but is that really worth paying $10k more for a car that’s 3 years old and out of warranty especially when most can’t even tell the difference? Idk as much as I like the F cars I wouldn’t pay for it in this market. For the many people who commented saying they picked up a mint condition F car pre pandemic for under $50k, they got in at the right price. But can’t recommend these cars at the current prices.
@@gray3949 an LC isn’t an F car and certainly doesn’t come with a TVD or little transmission coolers but it’s by far the car that I prefer to all of the F cars in question.. I wonder maybe that’s because there is more to cars than just specs 🤪
The challenge with the is500 is that is doesn't have the same large brakes, trans and oil cooler as the gs f or rc f. It is, however, incredibly nimble. I wish I could understand why most folks dislike the rc f. I found it to be a fantastic car. I bought mine with 60k miles, full bolt on, tune, etc for $48,500. Essentially $37k for the car with 11,500 in parts without having to pay for install, taxes, and shipping on those parts. I got it since GS f prices are ridiculous still. I love the rc but I still want the GS.
@@MeynMotorGroup thanks for the link. I actually track my rc and it's wonderful with the correct modifications. My point was, in regards to all of the other reviews I've seen since the car came out. It seems to be the redheaded step child for a lot of these reviewers even when new. You're right though, I wouldn't pay more than $40k for a stock version with low miles. Your videos are really well done.
wow i didnt know all those facts about this car!!! one thing that i truly know was that this is one hack of ugly looking grocery getter car for sure!!!
I owned the RC-F variant of the 2URGSE and it was a brilliant motor, albeit the car was quite heavy. I'd love to find a decently priced GS-F with moderate miles to use as a Daily. The sound as the tach eclipses 7300 Redline is marvelous! I just wish they weren't quite as heavy, or had even a form of F/I on board. It's a sad time that Toyota isn't giving fans/enthusiasts more tastes of the great 2URGSE in other forms (ES-F!!) One can dream! Great vid with information that makes this motor/design quite genius. These true F series cars are marvels with ability to dawn that "wolf in sheep's clothing" look. They appear unassuming, but can truly "wake up" when the driver wants something less sedate on their mundane daily drives into work, or play.
Here are my thoughts about the 2023 Lexus IS 350 and IS 500 here: ua-cam.com/video/qqIo4HkwECU/v-deo.html
The GS has always occupied a special place in my heart and when the GS F came out, I was like whoa! For me personally it was too big to own, so I gravitated to the IS line. If you have kids, require the extra space, and want performance with refinement (...and not the stigma of a Charger), the GS F is a solid choice. Nice review!
Yea def a cool car for sure
A charger? 😅
Got my 16’ GS F last year before prices shot up, the perfect daily. Absolutely wonderful car
Nice!
Great car .
How much did you pay and with how many miles??
How much was it?
Paid $44.5K back in March of 2021 with 46k miles
I am approaching almost 1-year with my 22' IS500 Launch Edition. The V8 2UR-GSE is smooth as silk. I love the GSF but the used market prices are insane on the GSF.
It’s ‘22
Nice you made a great choice IS 500 is also one of the better value cars in the new market as well congrats
Got the original ISF. Still runs like new
Yes they are . That’s why I wish I kept it
My Launch Edition 500 was the best built car I ever owned but as well the most boring lol. 8 months of ownership and adios, felt like a damn boat but do agree it’s a beautifully built vehicle that is smooth as silk. Hope others are more happy with it than I was
I was able to trade my GS 350 to a GSF in 2021 and glad I did. It was way less than what they are asking for them now and I got it with really low miles. Had to drive to Colorado for it but driving back home was so much fun. I will never get rid of it!!
Nice!! Massive congrats and great timing it’s such a cool car
I want to do the exact same thing. I currently own a 2015 GS f sport and I love it. Looking for the right color interior
How would you compare your overall experience between the two vehicles? Is the GS F worth it as far as the driving dynamics overall joy of driving goes? Is there too much difference between the comfort level or if the GS F too harsh a ride for daily driving? Would really appreciate a response! Thank you!
Got mine back in 2016 and daily drove for 4+ years. Was going to replace it with the LC500, but then 2020 took down my business.
Fun facts:
I remember when people were getting them in the $60k's in 2016 because they were hard to sell.
Mine was one of the first, I only had 3 digits in my VIN.
Last one ever built is ultra sonic blue with black & white interior and is owned by the master tech at my dealer, Lexus of Great Neck in NY.
Canada got better optioned GS-F's. They got forged carbon fiber trim, heated steering wheel, headlight washers, power trunk, sun shades for the back seats and rear window and media/HVAC controls in the back seats. Not sure why Toyota didn't give these options to the rest of the world. The Japanese market has unique interior colors like orange and black.
There were 2 Canadian cars that were imported and sold in Florida in 2016. A third one was bought in Buffalo, NY and now lives in NYC, I have seen in person.
Test drove the IS500 last year and it's not even close to the GS-F or RC-F.
Here's my dislikes:
The tech sucked.
Transmission was hesitant in heavy traffic.
Seats were not the comfiest, even though they looked great. Heating and cooling was non-existent in them.
You really had to drive it in sport+ and live above 4k rpm to enjoy it. But yeah, it's a blast to drive.
If I were to get one again, I'd get the 10th anniversary edition with the blue interior and keep it forever 😍.
To me, it was the modern day E39 M5 with an auto and I loved it.
Oh wow I’m sorry to hear about your business I hope you build it back bigger and better. And thank you very much for taking the time to share these details
There is officially one more Canadian GSF imported into the US as of this year 😊
I had identical thoughts after owning and driving a 2016 daily for 2 years.
Sport+ mode was only mode worth using except on occasion long highway drives - not bad MPG if in normal.
The transmission shift speed was finicky and slow in auto. But I thought manually up/down shifting in sport+ was pretty quick.
@@jordanbuttkevitz6895 yea in sport plus the transmission is great
Same thing with the 2014-2020 IS. In Japan, Canada and the rest of the world you had real wood trim, hybrid, memory seating, auto rear sunshade, parking sensors, power folding mirrors, headlight washers... In the US model they sorta "cheaped out". So unfortunate, but it is what it is. 🙃
Bought mine back in 2020, did have a second thought of trading it in for something faster but end up keeping it. Greatest choice ever perfect daily and catching people off guard with it 😂
Nice good timing on buying it def worth keeping
I test drove a 2016 GsF a few days ago and that’s exactly what I was thinking. It looks deceptively like a tame family sedan. But you could shock the hell outta people
Happiest day of my life was when I purchased my gsf (my dream car) over a year ago and I'm still just as happy as day 1. Have a 16' molten pearl edition just hit 44k miles. Apexi racing exhaust with no cats and other smaller mods. Straight up beast. Sold my scat pack charger for it and it rides so much better and even has a better top end.
Congrats man. It’s been my dream car for many years as well and I might just be getting a ‘16 as well! In atomic silver
@@grandmastagrimm8773 hope you get one !! Best of luck!! Unique and slept on car without a doubt.
@@jordanmccathron2423 how is the insurance cost if I plan on financing? Is it super expensive?
@@grandmastagrimm8773 I have progressive and it doesn't register as anything special just a "sedan" lol. So you shouldn't see any crazy increase.
@@jordanmccathron2423 awesome , what about maintenance costs? What’s your opinion on that
Bought my 2017 back in October with 28,000 miles on it and loving it! I came out of a 2014 GS 350 F-Sport and it’s a totally different ball game.
Massive congrats! It’s such a cool sedan
That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Same model as your old car but the used market is still insane for the GSF at the moment…
@@MeynMotorGroup it is!
@@DemeilJacobs it really is, I got a little lucky with the one I found. Good luck in your search, hope you get one eventually!
What are some of the pro / cons of GSF compared to the GS 350. I own a GS F sport and really want to get the GSF
Recently got one of the last GSFs made. Smokey Granite Mica over Rioja red interior. Blue calipers. Basically the same spec reviewed by Doug Demuro (might be the same car for all I know). Had 13k miles when I bought it.
This car is so solidly built, the engine is smooth, the ride is smooth and compliant, and the sound system thumps.
Nice massive congrats on the purchase and glad you got a nice clean one
Congrats. Do you mind sharing how much you ended up paying ?
VIN ending in 3257 is "THE" last GSF made if you're wondering.
Many people don’t appreciate the quality of Lexus I rather pay the extra money for a car that last a lifetime
Thats a Real Gentleman’s Sedan, absolutely funky & lovely at the same time.
Yea it’s pretty sweet for sure
People will say the BMW, Mercedes, and Audi equivalent models will be faster, but this will by WAY more reliable, hold it's value much better, and will be so much more practical.
Reliability only matters to those that keep stuff for 300 years. These are luxury products for those with disposable incomes and most likely will own multiple cars.
There are some great Euro turds out there that I would be more than happy to lease & dump but what people need to understand about Lexus is they actually make a car that communicates with the driver more than a lot of the Euro stuff.
Plus the NA V8 has more character when equipped with an exhaust. Reliability is a bonus I suppose but not the reason why I like these cars.
From South Africa.
We didn't get this model this side but, I drove the ISF and they say it's similar. This 5.0L is wonderful
Yea IS F captures the same essence as the new F cars it was great
Yes, especially the 2012-2014 models with LSD.
I drive the 2014 GS350 and there is something about Lexus vehicles, you have to drive one to understand the feeling.
@@brian7523 absolutley most don’t get it and probably never will but Lexus makes some excellent driving products that mainstream reviewers don’t get
The GS is still one of the best cars aroudn overall. What an amazing car!
Great review! I'm on my second GS (went from a 2013 to a 2016), and I can't even imagine how awesome the F would be. I'm itching for an upgrade soon, but I will probably end up going for one of the last great V8 LS models since these F's don't show any signs of becoming more affordable anytime soon.
2013 GS Fsport owner here & this review is solid. GSF is next on my list!
I’m currently saving up for an 2016 / 2017 Lexus GS450h and I will only drive it on the summer times and leave it in the garage on winter times, It’s so sad that the GS is discontinued, I love the GS❤
Installed a JoeZ catback exhaust on my 16' GSF a few weeks ago, and let me tell you, its exactly what the car was missing! Sounded way too tame from factory, the intake/induction noise was louder.
Well done my friend yea these cars are epic with an exhaust enjoy!
How much is the Catback exhaust for the gsf?
I had one, 2016-2019. Great car. Wish I kept it
2016 GS-F had fixed Sachs dampers, 2017 and up has AVS. Also the GS chassis is far superior to the IS chassis. I love both cars. Either way you can't go wrong in my opinion. I picked up a 2016 GSF for cheap because someone didn't love it in its previous life. I've been slowly fixing it up to daily drive. I just sold my 2015 Crafted Line LS 460 Fsport. It was mint but I kinda got a little bored with it. The GSF definitely scratches that performance itch.
What did they break on the GSF. I thought Lexus owners took care of their car. Clearly not
@ozhoneybadger They had color swapped it to white and put a bunch of dumb black wrap all over it. This would have been fine if they hadn't forgotten to reinstall a bunch of gaskets and moldings all around the car and hung the doors and fenders correctly. This and they had routed a bunch of hoses wrong under the hood and installed the wrong spark plugs. There was about 12 dents in it all over the place. The tires were junk, the left rear door panel was not on right, there was a few wiring issues in the car. I don't know who the previous owner was, but they were ignorant. Needless to say I've fixed all of it including re painting some of the car. I paint corrected the rest of it. It's good to go now. And no, not all Lexus owners take care of their cars. You can say that about any brand.
Crazy. Especially with the sparks and hoses. Hows it driving now? You gonna sell it? @@maxcurry9667
The perfect car in my book!
As a previous owner of a GSF. The IS500 is not a replacement for a proper F product. It lacks proper cooling systems, suspension components, and steering refinement for track use or heavy spirted canyon driving. A GSF costs more than a IS500 because it is a superior sport sedan when taken to the limits. Obviously most people are not taking IS500/LC500 to their limits so that doesn’t matter.
Either way I agree with the rest of your points but I wouldn’t recommend buying a LC500 or Is500 over a F. Then again I traded my GSF for a M3CS so I am biased towards sport/track sedans than comfort.
Exactly if you wanted limit performance just get a 911 GT3 not a 4 door luxury car. So many fail to understand this concept if you want a track car you just buy a track car. The track is just good marketing for these luxury sedans. Means nothing on the street.
The problem is the usage. We cannot know what the original owner did to the car. I cannot trust that, a 60 grand + for a used car is too much even though it's a solid car. And once the warranty expires and it gets issues the V8 work will be higher. So the newer IS 500 is the only choice left for buyers who want a first hand experience of a Lexus. The new IS is not a joke either, the V8 version gets Engine Oil cooling, the reinforcement for the Front suspension system and the Yamaha Performance Dampers in the rear, also an option of BBS Forged, although I like the Enkei ones which are stock. Plus the same transmission used in GS F / IS F. Finally the Redline is 7100RPM. Yea the leather is gone, rear space is limited and lack of other things like TVD but it's the only car left in the market which is a 4 Door and has a V8.
I love this car! They’re so tough to find or a decent price!! Hopefully I’ll have better luck in 2023.
Yes great cars it’s just the prices right now suck
@@MeynMotorGroup indeed!! Great video bro!
@@Gameboytri77a thank you my friend and Happy New Years to you and your family
Good luck with the hunt
This 5.0l motor sounded so good ❤
Needs an exhaust but yea it’s good
Ooo hey, perfect video for me since I bought a 2016 GSF through my work this year. Finally tuned/did the intake this week! Still waiting on my wrap as it’s backordered until after Christmas and my RR racing Bazooka exhaust won’t be finished being made until mid January.
Oh wow nice glad you’re having fun with the GS F and enhancing the cars sound great car
@@MeynMotorGroup I was originally anti GSF due to the mousepad infotainment controls over the trac pad in the Lc500 and LS500 I tested. I still want a LC500 but needed 4dr and space as a daily. The fact I live in vegas if I ever win some big jackpot then I would put the LC500 convertible as a possible 3rd car option.
Overall the vehicle has been superb and even had a little street race cat n mouse game with a C7 corvette just 3 days ago. Car can get a little squirrelly when launching off the line in expert mode, guess I got so used to having AWD cars.
yeah the GS is a very good Lexus car 👍, thanks Kevin 😀.
I own a 2016 absolutely love it
That’s awesome Erik!
One of the things that is really going to make these cars future collectibles: Only about 2400 made over 5 years for the North American market. 400+ already salvage title, and over half of the "clean title" ones already have accidents on them. In 2024, there are already a dozen or so over 200k miles.
As Doug Demuro once said: "The GSF is a terrible new car, but a fantastic used one"
If you can’t find a good deal on a GS F, the closest thing might be a last gen LS 460 F Sport with the slightly smaller 4.6L 1UR but with 6 piston brembos in the front, Torsen LSD, forged BBS wheels, variable gear ratio steering and air suspension. You can find decent used examples for around $25k.
I got one recently and it’s miles ahead of the 2007 LS 460 I had that was a total boat.
It’s not a full F model but it’s closer than other F sports models.
Simply a beast . You can’t find a nice one in the northeast .
Yea there’s only a handful for sale in the whole country and the clean ones go for a fortune
@@MeynMotorGroup
I could not afford the last of them. But was able to get one of the few GS F sport Blacklines. Definitely a keeper. The GS is a great vehicle
Nice review 👍
@@alpappalardi7044 massive congrats!
I've been wanting you to make a video on the GS F! Woohoo!
Thanks Alex!
I’ve been eyeing this to replace my 07 GS350 but damn these prices for this car is borderline insane and my 350 is quite a quick already and seems the 6 Speed auto is worlds better programmed than Lexus’s 8 Speed. And 0-60 for GS350 in 07-11 era was 5.7 sec.
Better off buying new in this market
@@MeynMotorGroup market has somewhat eased up a bit still prices are high. Been also eyeing on either a GX460 or LX570/LC200 series.
Yea things have dropped like a grand or two but still asinine prices for the year and mileage. GX and LX are very good
@@MeynMotorGroup prices are still crazy.. for
Instance in canada the prices for used kia forte 2019 non premium trim is around 21-22k…..
@@azizkizbayev439 yup the cost of a 3 year old car is literally the same as a new car.
Have a Happy Weekend bro 🙏🏾🙏🏾😎🤝👍🏾👍🏾
You as well bro thanks!
@@MeynMotorGroup 🤝😎
This time I disagree with you 100%, the GSF is a completely different car than the is500, even though the engine is same, many other things are very different.
Well I just don’t think it’s worth it to most people to pay $10k more for a 3 year old car that has some additional cooling bits for the transmission.
What most people do want is that engine of course, a new car with a warranty, and all the updated tech and interior which is what the IS 500 offers in this current market.
Please keep in mind the current market conditions.
@@MeynMotorGroup The GSF was made to also be an all day track car without question, the is500 simply is not. Just because you wouldn't pay extra doesn't mean others wouldn't. Also the GSF is a much more roomy car for everyday use, you failed to mention that part.
@@samaccurso do you take your 4 door heated seat luxury car to the track? If so great but nobody does that. Please understand the “track” is a marketing gimmick to make a good ad to sell cars. This is not a race car. The only track a GS F is going to see is the Starbucks drive thru. Many like to pretend like they are track day hardasses but if that’s the case, why not just get a real race car like an Ariel atom? Or better yet just get a motorcycle. Reality my friend is much more important to me than the fantasy of taking a luxury barge to a track. The GS F has .6 inches more legroom than the IS 500. The GS F does have a significantly larger trunk however than the IS 500 at 14 cubic ft vs 10.5 cubic feet. God Bless my friend and I hope you and your family have a phenomenal 2023!
@@MeynMotorGroup It's more than extra cooling bits man.. GS F design and development were headed up by Yukihiko Yaguchi. This actually means things. Additionally, the suspension bits. The chassis bracing. The track testing. As opposed to stuffing a V8 into an otherwise stock, entry level luxury compact sedan.
Yes Mr. Peter but I guess my point is, just how much of that matter for street driving. A Porsche 911 is infinitely more capable than any Lexus car however a Porsche isn’t necessarily more fun to drive on a street because of this. The F cars and LC are satisfactory on street for it’s organic and natural driving feel plus engine. Not because of the specs because any Euro turd would spank these Lexus cars. It’s hard concept to convey hopefully you understand. GS F is great and pedigree is cool but I think of things more so from the financial/pragmatic perspective
There's GSF with an exhaust in my area and I swear it catches my off guard every time I hear it... it sounds mean
Gotta have an exhaust to wake these up this is a good sounding car when equipped with one
I want one of these!! For my next lexus!!
It’s pretty sweet
@@MeynMotorGroup Yeah bro I'd love a Panamera with the 4litre, But this GSF is kickass to!! Happy holidays this year my friend!!✌️🖖
@@MeynMotorGroup Kind of unrelated but I think the LS would have much closer sales numbers to the Genesis if they left the V8 in the car!! I think the 5litre would be a perfect match!! And it's not to late, try it and see what happens!!!!!
@@MeynMotorGroup My 07 LS is getting straight piped from the cat back but can't decide on magnaflow or Flowmaster for the muffler......
As a former owner, my complaints were tech, transmission, and last the turn signal (haha). All fixed with the LC.
Yea that turn signal was something else, massive congrats on the LC!
What problems did you have with the transmission? If you don’t mind explaining, I just got a 17 gsf couple months ago @48k miles
@@ChasingDreamsR I personally like the 8 speed especially in sport plus
@@ChasingDreamsR no problems, just VERY slow to down shift in normal mode to the point of being dangerous if you need to pass suddenly
4:05 they used to sell resonator exhaust tips 35 years ago.
Still love my GS. Might have to check out an LC next
Yea def a try and test drive an LC if you can get a chance but the F cars are great too just needs an exhaust
Cheers Mr Lexus!
Thank you my friend!
The same way you all feel about your GSF, is exactly how I feel about my IS F.... It's a bit shocking for a Lexus is what they tell me. The IS F is such a sleeper and really unexpected to those who don't know.
Added FBO with a varex catless exhaust system ☺️
Everyone is getting the IS, the GS is limited now so if you come across one don’t let it pass unnoticed.
F stands for Fuji 🔥🔥🔥🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾
Yes it does!
Is there a video anywhere of you driving a GSF? Couldn't see one on your channel would love to watch you do a test drive. Current owner of a 2014 GS F-Sport and working towards achieving my dream of owning a GSF!
No unfortunately I never got to do a review of the GS F I only drove one at a dealership after I sold my LC, thought about buying the GS F but ended up not getting it bought a new Challenger Scat Pack manual then I flipped it. However, I did get an RC F press car for a week and I filmed my driving thoughts on that car feels pretty similar to the GS F but the RC F feels a bit more snappy then the GS F due to the shorter wheelbase.
It's a Lexus if I have the $$$ definitely my first choice over BMW or Audi.. built the right. and reliable. another reason why they are expensive used.
Nice you should def get one
@@MeynMotorGroup someday my friend
Had mine for 3 years and pretty much put exhaust on it right away. Still smiling
Excellent choice my friend glad you put the exhaust on it
Awesome video
Very timely video, I’ve started to look at these. Do you have a Indy Lexus Shop you like in the Triangle area for PPIs? I’m over by chapel hill.
Johnson lexus had a CPO one, didn’t even last a week.
Was going to get one but decided to go german. End up getting a amg cls 53, heck from factory the exhaust has pops and crackles. Nothing compares to a german car. Thats coming from someone who only owned japanese cars. Currently still have a 08 lexus gs460.
I have to admit, CLS 53 is pretty phenomenal has a ton of character and does indeed sound great from factory. Chassis is excellent, you did a great job with that car. BMW & Audi can’t match the Mercedes character when driving only problem with Benz is they are so damn expensive. If you got the funds tho, I would go Benz too.
@@MeynMotorGroup the car looks great and the interior is a plus. Lexus was is so behind on that department. It made my choice easy. Puts a smile on my face when in sports plus mode and i full send it.
This is still my dream car I really hope we aren't force to ride electric vehicles
I wish I could get a car with the interior of this generation and the exterior of the previous generation.
I love mine, last of a dying breed.
Can you explain again or link to the video that shows how to use the vin of a Lexus to see what maintenance has been done during the life of the car please?
Just Go to the Lexus drivers website it should pop up in google. Make an account and enter the vin of the car you’re thinking of buying as your own car so you can see the history
As far as I can tell, Lexus took this feature away recently.
You can always pay for Carfax to get a report.
Or if your mechanic has Carfax they can look it up for you.
Florida Fine Cars in Miami FL has a nice 2019 10th anniversary with only 30k miles for sale at 63k not bad for 1 of 100 units. Very unique car to get if you are into GSF
Yea you’re right for an anniversary car that’s not bad who knows maybe they will come down even more if it’s been on the lot for a while
My issue with most Lexus models (past and present) is that they tend to have awkward or overdone exteriors and interiors. Only exceptions are/were the 1st gen LS and SC and currently the LC. Regarding the current IS I don’t think it’s possible to spec real leather anymore - only the fake stuff. Another dealbreaker for me.
I love the spindle cars they look so aggressive and unique
@@MeynMotorGroup I will say the post refresh previous gen IS looked pretty hot. Never warmed up to the interior design though.
@@richardh3587 yea the interior looks a bit plain in the IS/RC models
ISF 500 is a total drool, my dream car.
It’s a very nice ride
Followed your links..no is500 s available..
Does it also have port injection
Yes it does very reliable don’t have to worry about carbon build up
@@MeynMotorGroup Thanks
Thinking about trading my 2018 GS350 f sport for a GSF or may wait and get the LC500
Ground clearance is good. Howveee front bumper hangs quite forward compared to hub of wheels. So steeper driveways are an issue even at stock height. Hence why I’m on air bag suspension.
question?..............looking for a titanium burnt tip exhaust with a deep sound............other than Toms....any suggestions and prices.....THANK YOU............2018
Idk about the tips but I do know that invidia makes a great sounding exhaust for the Lexus F cars
on the IS500 you don't get the Sport Seats, Big Brembo brakes, TVD, Forged BBS wheels etc....
You do get forged wheels and big brakes. The rest is up to you on how important they are when bending corners at Starbucks and if that’s worth paying $9k more for something that’s 3 years old with miles and no warranty then by all means my friend enjoy your TVD. I’m going to be talking about the same things in the RC vid I’m about to post
Are these reliable?
Yes
Sitting here looking at my old ass STS-V that matches a lot of these specs! 😂
My RCF now 140k miles still going strong besides the sunroof rattling when driving.😂😂😂
Wow that’s awesome my friend great car
@@MeynMotorGroup I do have the 2015 is250 as well, but that is250 always sitting in the garage.
The RCF is perfect for any purpose to drive, i brought the RCF to track when it was 126k mileage.
Now is my daily + delivery car.😂 (putting 200+ miles per day)
Also, I wish you could do more and more used high mileage vehicle review in the future.
Definitely stick with your channel.
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I want one, and would be happy with it. That used price though.
Yup I love these things to but the price in these markets just doesn’t make sense. To everyone that bought a clean mint one pre pandemic for like $45k, they did great
Right before covid gsf's were becoming a hot bargain then they shot back up (don't entirely know why or who's shooting up the price🤔), now it just doesn't make sense to buy, you can just get a scatpack or like you said a lc/is500 if you really need a lexus v8
Yea people think I don’t like these cars but that’s not true it’s just that in this current market it doesn’t make sense to buy and it’s getting older as the years go by. Still an epic car tho and def made sense pre pandemic
They're still 70k in the used market because people are willing to pay that. Which is evidenced by all the (apparently insanely wealthy) commenters talking about how they just got one.
They didn’t just get one they got them when they were 45k 3 years ago with low miles which is exactly what it’s worth and that’s really all this experience is worth. Buy an LC if you want a proper V8 experience that’s worth paying over $70k for.
Isn't the IS500 much smaller inside though? I'm 6'5" and always assumed the IS / ES was for the wife and the GS / LS was for the larger dudes. Even when the IS first launched, it seemed to be marketed toward the ladies. I never see a large man getting out of an IS.
Great 🤘
Man I really want this thing 😮💨 I have a really clean 2011 GS with 120k, if the right offer came about I'd sell it in a heartbeat to get the GSF. But, then I think about the current car market 🗑
Yea some people mistook me for not liking this car, what people failed to understand was the GS F simply does not make any sense to buy as a used car right now.
Paying $45k for it 3 years ago with like 25k miles fine that was ok and exactly what this car and experience was worth.
However now, for the $45k that car is 6 years old with double maybe even more miles than that and it’s not worth it at that point and def isn’t worth spending $70k+ for.
And regardless of what some people say in the comments, 90% of this experience can be had in a GS 350 F Sport RWD. If you buy an F car you have to put an exhaust on it.
This is why in this market I only recommend the IS 500 F Peromance new or an LC 500. LC feels vastly superior to all of these cars
Great car. However after test driving it I was unimpressed with the power output. It sounded like you going fast but you weren’t. At the time I owned a 2013 LS 460 L and it was the same issue. My 2017 Mercedes Benz S550 cabriolet 4.7 liter is much faster due to the 517 ft pounds of torque.
Well to be fair you can get a ls 500 and have more reliability four doors better gas mileage and have basically them same 0-60 time
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did you record this a little while ago, because now im seeing gsf going for under $50k with under 30k miles which sounds like a great price to me
I was referring to clean 2020 models yea you can get a 2016 with 80 miles for $50k but I don’t want that
@@MeynMotorGroup why not do kno cars built pass 2016 are basically built horribly low quality parts and electronics computer components
I hate that they so expensive cause I want a gsf my big brother bought his 2013 isf back in 2015 he spent 50k on that thing im they sure do hold value but dag gum
But the gsf has more interior room, plus with the dealer mark up on the is500 it’s about or even more that a used gsf..
.6” more legroom and just use an auto broker and a bit of googling to not pay a markup
Just waiting til the prices get more reasonable. Great car but not 45k+ great
I whould just love to own a regular gs 350 fsport but their his none on the used market
I500 is smaller and will end up costing the same after markups because it's rare
Buy through AutoCompanion no markups just need to wait. GS F has .6 inches more legroom than an IS 500
@@MeynMotorGrouprear legroom felt significantly better, trunk space was also better. 65 k for a certified 2020 with 20k miles seems reasonable?
GSF>Is500.also LC500 is nothing like GSF, yes it has the same engine but does not drives as well but yes it looked much more exotic. Lc500 is a GT car. meanwhile GSF is track ready with 4 doors. In the end you can't go wrong with either of those. I wish they Brought back the ISF; Is500 you can some of the goodies but its missing good brakes, trans cooler etc
I want one but for a used still 50k to 70k in the market like my brother got a 2013 isF for 45k literally to much for a used car kno I understand that they hold value very well but dag gum
The gsf his my dream car but way to expensive on the used market the thing does not depreciate
nice roads
Difference between the IS500 and a GSF is a TVD the IS500 doesn't come with one it's an LSD.
Yes but is that really worth paying $10k more for a car that’s 3 years old and out of warranty especially when most can’t even tell the difference? Idk as much as I like the F cars I wouldn’t pay for it in this market. For the many people who commented saying they picked up a mint condition F car pre pandemic for under $50k, they got in at the right price. But can’t recommend these cars at the current prices.
Also the is500 isn’t an F car, it’s missing things like an inter cooler as well
@@gray3949 an LC isn’t an F car and certainly doesn’t come with a TVD or little transmission coolers but it’s by far the car that I prefer to all of the F cars in question.. I wonder maybe that’s because there is more to cars than just specs 🤪
@@MeynMotorGroup Agreed that’s why I didn’t buy an LC since it wasn’t for me. Overall super comfortable car but it’s a boat like my trx
@@gray3949 God Bless you my friend
The challenge with the is500 is that is doesn't have the same large brakes, trans and oil cooler as the gs f or rc f. It is, however, incredibly nimble.
I wish I could understand why most folks dislike the rc f. I found it to be a fantastic car. I bought mine with 60k miles, full bolt on, tune, etc for $48,500. Essentially $37k for the car with 11,500 in parts without having to pay for install, taxes, and shipping on those parts. I got it since GS f prices are ridiculous still. I love the rc but I still want the GS.
2023 Lexus RC 350 & RC F.. Final Changes Before It’s Gone?
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@@MeynMotorGroup thanks for the link. I actually track my rc and it's wonderful with the correct modifications. My point was, in regards to all of the other reviews I've seen since the car came out. It seems to be the redheaded step child for a lot of these reviewers even when new. You're right though, I wouldn't pay more than $40k for a stock version with low miles. Your videos are really well done.
Get the camry big boy save the money
Rip GS
Yea sad to see it go
No care can escape potholes
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Toyota gs you mean
Yo bro
Hope you’re well today would love to know if you would rock this bro
@@MeynMotorGroup I am bro off today hope u are too 🙏🏾🙏🏾 thanx bro will definitely let u know 🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾
wow i didnt know all those facts about this car!!!
one thing that i truly know was that this is one hack of ugly looking grocery getter car for sure!!!
GS-F was another half hearted attempt from Japan. The car was woefully underpowered to be a competitor in the full size sport sedan category.
😆0-60 is life. 🙄
I owned the RC-F variant of the 2URGSE and it was a brilliant motor, albeit the car was quite heavy. I'd love to find a decently priced GS-F with moderate miles to use as a Daily. The sound as the tach eclipses 7300 Redline is marvelous! I just wish they weren't quite as heavy, or had even a form of F/I on board. It's a sad time that Toyota isn't giving fans/enthusiasts more tastes of the great 2URGSE in other forms (ES-F!!) One can dream!
Great vid with information that makes this motor/design quite genius. These true F series cars are marvels with ability to dawn that "wolf in sheep's clothing" look. They appear unassuming, but can truly "wake up" when the driver wants something less sedate on their mundane daily drives into work, or play.
Hey thanks so much for sharing this my friend!