Tech Talk - Electric Car heating, power steering, brakes, etc

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  • @Yaaayishere
    @Yaaayishere 2 роки тому +5

    Sunday afternoon, cup of tea and Moggy Explains

  • @dddpetarddd
    @dddpetarddd 2 роки тому +7

    if you don't succeed in this business, you will make a great teacher. very good explanations!

  • @Pats-Shed
    @Pats-Shed 2 роки тому +11

    I'm a refrigeration engineer and always wondered why electric car manufacturers have not adopted the 4 - way valve setup that has been in use for years in the domestic and commercial air-conditioning industry. In fact I've often wondered why ICE cars don't use this to speed up cabin heating in winter . With A/C in an EV, setup with a reverse cycle the electrical load would be only around a third of a resistance heater thus increasing the range of the vehicle without extra batteries .

    • @ElectricClassicCars
      @ElectricClassicCars  2 роки тому +9

      They have started to use this in the latest generation of EVs. For instance the latest Tesla HVAC system has a very cool octovalve arrangement. I may well do a tech talk on it in the future once I've covered more of the basics of EVs. 👍

    • @dixonsindorset
      @dixonsindorset 2 роки тому +5

      Not just the newer generation EVs use the aircon for heating the cabin. The Zoe has been doing this since its release in 2013. This is because the battery is also air conditioned with its own heat exchanger on the A/C system. But this has the added benefit of much improved efficiency for cabin heating in winter.

  • @KimCJorgensen
    @KimCJorgensen 2 роки тому +52

    And most importantly especially for you during conversions: As the replacement items are all electrical, as opposed to belt driven, you have much more flexibility as to where you can install these items. Basically any void space will do.

    • @insAneTunA
      @insAneTunA 2 роки тому +9

      And much less parasitic losses as they only draw power when it's needed instead of all the time when they are hooked up to a belt.

    • @davog1946
      @davog1946 2 роки тому +1

      @@insAneTunA apart from clutched alternators and air con, also most modern cars have electric fuel pumps….

    • @insAneTunA
      @insAneTunA 2 роки тому +4

      @@davog1946 But they still sling a belt or a V snare around, and it takes a ton of bearings to do that, not just one or two. So even if everything was clutched it would still cause a substantial amount of parasitic losses. And the clutches itself including their housing ads extra weight to the car and they need to be maintained as well. The belt or snare can snap. And if it doesn't snap it is still an expensive replacement if it needs to be replaced. And the list goes on and on as to why a belt or snare driven system is so inefficient compared to all electrical driven stand alone components from an electric car.
      In the Netherlands there is a company that is founded by some former world champions from the solar challenge, who are designing an electric car where every single component is as efficient as possible. It will also have voltaic cells embedded in the roof and other flat body panels. But it doesn't stop there, they are taking it to the extreme. It is called the Lightyear one.
      It is a car that is designed for a specific purpose, not for off road racing. Keep that in mind.

    • @seeharvester
      @seeharvester 9 місяців тому

      Well, my old 69 FJ40 never had power steering, power brake or AC, so all I'd need is heat. It did use vacuum to switch the transfer case, but that could be easily changed to manual. That only leaves the PTO winch. Even with just that, I feel the juice necessary to run an electric winch will further shorten an already limited range. And there aren't any charge stations out in the middle of nowhere.
      So I think I'll stick to gas.

  • @johnwoolf66
    @johnwoolf66 2 роки тому +21

    Funny that you said "like a hair dryer" to describe a heater, as I have connected a pair of 12v travel hair dryers to the windscreen demisters in my Beetle conversion! 😁

  • @arjuckes
    @arjuckes 2 роки тому +2

    Great stuff very clear explanations, cant wait for the T3 Syncro conversion...notice the spelling!

  • @timw1971
    @timw1971 2 роки тому +7

    These tech talks are just brilliant.
    Stuff works the way I assumed it did, but it's great to get it confirmed and better still to see the actual kit.

  • @philtucker1224
    @philtucker1224 2 роки тому +21

    That power steering assistant on your bus was very impressive. (Also your smart rear view mirror caught my eye?)

    • @jessehummer
      @jessehummer 2 роки тому +3

      Me too!! Hehehe

    • @d.beaumont9157
      @d.beaumont9157 2 роки тому

      Same here. Imagine turning up to run for the sun weekend with Richards bus, that would have blown you away.

  • @loswilko
    @loswilko 2 роки тому +17

    Another great vid, i love the tech talks.
    You are actually helping me understand what's going on under the bonnet so to speak in my own EV (Renault Zoe).
    Keep up the great work dude.

  • @ginggur17
    @ginggur17 2 роки тому +2

    The steering is especially impressive 👍👍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @bfelten1
    @bfelten1 2 роки тому +5

    I can't understand why it took UA-cam years to point me in your direction after I have followed electric conversions for years. Your channel is simply outstanding. And I do hope that you will not revert to doing videos about burn-outs and the like, we have plenty of that already on the Tube. Please keep on the exceptional Tech Talk videos.
    I hope that you'll be able to ramp up your production. Now that almost all new cars look alike, we old car lovers want to see more of the classics (not just nostalgia attempts like the new Mini, Fiat 500 or Beetle) but the real deal on the road. Can you convert my 1977 M-B 450 SL? Is that classic enough? 😁

  • @DopeSauceBenevolence
    @DopeSauceBenevolence Рік тому

    THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!!
    I’ve been scratching my head for a year trying to figure out the brakes for the Firebird!!!

  • @philtucker1224
    @philtucker1224 2 роки тому +9

    Great episode (again 😊) - and I loved the part where you said “ filling the canister back up with a vacuum” 😊( just joking buddy, your tech talks are really brilliant)

  • @wolfgangezeh2221
    @wolfgangezeh2221 2 роки тому +5

    If more electric car makers did this type of talk-throughs, more people would be educated about electric cars and make informed decisions on buying them. I am more informed now and will definitely buy an electric car if I can afford it.

    • @fetchstixRHD
      @fetchstixRHD 2 роки тому +2

      To be fair, cost probably is the biggest difficulty in getting an electric car (with the traction batteries being the largest part of that cost). Other than that, most people probably wouldn’t mind or would be happy to get one, of course not everyone but a lot of people!

  • @hevendranarayansamy2793
    @hevendranarayansamy2793 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for answering my question. Love your work BTW. Wish there was an ECC in South Africa.

  • @rushja
    @rushja 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks, great content! Lets talk about your 4g connected rearview mirror in the bus!

  • @IDann1
    @IDann1 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for another informative video, I have a family of mostly naysayers in anything electric... They think I'm crazy

  • @daniilvolkov8790
    @daniilvolkov8790 2 роки тому +2

    I was breathing in through my mouth while the outro was going on. Felt uncomfortable. I left a like for that....because this is what art is :D

  • @darrenflounders2803
    @darrenflounders2803 2 роки тому +1

    Loving these short videos explaining the difference between old and new

  • @michaellittler2616
    @michaellittler2616 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for the video in lay men terms so people like me who are not technically minded can understand what you are explaining 👍learning so much not just about Ev but piston engine’s how things work thank you

  • @GalleryBones
    @GalleryBones 2 роки тому +3

    Very informative thank you

  • @WanderlustVanlife
    @WanderlustVanlife 2 роки тому +4

    I am really enjoying this series. Thank you very much!

  • @insAneTunA
    @insAneTunA 2 роки тому +2

    Another great episode. Don't worry about the outdoor footage, every episode has been a joy to watch. 👍🙂

  • @TiagoFernandes-ro6ck
    @TiagoFernandes-ro6ck 2 роки тому +1

    Love your work.
    Just liked the "it fills the vacuum chamber with vacuum again"

  • @CrazyFrank
    @CrazyFrank 2 роки тому +8

    What you're doing here is iconic, you are a pioneer of electric cars and there are so many of us who want to follow in your footsteps with doing our own conversions, thank you so much and keep the videos coming

  • @bmwalker89
    @bmwalker89 2 роки тому +5

    A seriously good set of videos, really interesting and deserves a wider audience!!

  • @joeg3950
    @joeg3950 Рік тому +1

    This gave me a quick down and dirty on auxiliaries. I understand the powertrain and battery systems, but this gave me a good look at what I wanted to know about. Growing up, we rebuilt two fiat spyders, 76 Cadillac Eldo, 76 T-bird, and an 84 Eldo. I would have loved to convert that 1984 Cadillac Eldorado to electric - a beautiful care with a terrible engine. Thanks for the video!

  • @shakejones
    @shakejones 2 роки тому +2

    great video+explanation! well done mate! thanks for sharing 🙏🏻

  • @genestatler2514
    @genestatler2514 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks a bunch. That sure cleared up a lot of questions that I had about conversions.

  • @charlesoliver2838
    @charlesoliver2838 2 роки тому +2

    Very interesting good channel.

  • @deltajohnny
    @deltajohnny 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome presentation, and very easy to understand for "normal" people! 👏👏👏😁😁😁

  • @ThomasC951
    @ThomasC951 2 роки тому +3

    More Porsche 944 content please
    Cheers!

  • @keyelectric91
    @keyelectric91 Рік тому +1

    Gold mine of ev conversion amenities!

  • @teslaejj2290
    @teslaejj2290 2 роки тому +6

    Thanks for video - always interesting. Would be good to understand how a heat pump helps range and how they work (and how much they cost). Also, loved the rear view mirror - nice way to add some tech in an old car!

    • @Pugjamin
      @Pugjamin 2 роки тому +1

      Heat pumps are by far the best way to heat the vehicle (or anything for that matter) as they are between 300 and 400% efficient. They aren’t a separate item in vehicles equipped with them, it is a function of the air con system, it just requires a few extra valves and control system.

    • @hughmarcus1
      @hughmarcus1 2 роки тому

      There’s plenty of UA-cam videos on heat pumps. The ones for vehicles are just a small version of the ones used to heat buildings.

    • @vincentoconnell2560
      @vincentoconnell2560 2 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/6nJamTspSM0/v-deo.html here is a good comparsion they are very efficent

  • @joeabad5908
    @joeabad5908 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this video. It covers all bases newbies sometimes neglect to include in the conversion project.

  • @Evolution189
    @Evolution189 2 роки тому +2

    Great talk. Thank you.

  • @jossentjens7154
    @jossentjens7154 2 роки тому +2

    Another enjoyable one….
    Does your VW bus have a camera rearview mirror?
    Maybe an idea for a future episode, fitting (modern) gadgets… parking camera, camera door mirrors, etc, etc. Is that something you do on classic cars?
    In the similar vein, driver aids, things like traction control, torque vectoring, electronic stability control, ABS. Are those easy to integrate in an EV, or a bridge too far?
    I guess, ESC and ABS are a bit difficult, because they tie in with the (existing) breaking, but traction control and torque vectoring require some sensor and tie in to the motor/diff, don’t they?

    • @zoomosis
      @zoomosis 2 роки тому +1

      At the most basic level it should be possible to alter the firmware mapping between the accelerator pedal and the motor, so moving from stationary doesn't cause sudden wheelspin due to high torque. Traction control should also be possible if there's speed sensors on both left and right wheels (assuming a 2WD car) as well as a sensor measuring the motor RPM. Though it might work better if there are also sensors on the non-driven wheels.
      Retrofitting a reversing camera to a car is a pretty common thing to do. I added one to my Ford Falcon Ute recently.

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 2 роки тому +2

    Great video mate

  • @Yaaayishere
    @Yaaayishere 2 роки тому +11

    Alternators only work while petrol is being burned (expensive electricity), DC2DC's can work all the time keeping your 12v systems running. No Classic battery conditioners required.

    • @fetchstixRHD
      @fetchstixRHD 2 роки тому

      Alternators/generators also aren’t the best if you don’t need a lot of energy/power, e.g. for heating/air conditioning

    • @chrisbailey1966
      @chrisbailey1966 2 роки тому +1

      Don't forget that the 12v is needed to turn on the connection to the traction battery and they are totally disconnected when the car is 'off'. Some system also stop DC2DC at low levels of traction battery power so both could go flat - in real life you would not go that far, but I have seen it under extreme testing - fixed with a 12v jump pack to get the car to take a charge.

  • @georgedaville4662
    @georgedaville4662 2 роки тому +2

    Great video Richard. You have an excellent and relaxing style of presenting a technical subject with the visual aids of actual components for direct reference into your commentary. Brilliant 🤩

  • @tonyknight1272
    @tonyknight1272 2 роки тому +3

    Another brilliant and informative video. Keep them coming. 👌🎥🎥👌

  • @fill7t1
    @fill7t1 2 роки тому

    The items you don't think of! Very well explained, so not only space for batteries and motor, it's all the others that we need. 👍

  • @FirstDan2000
    @FirstDan2000 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. Very informative. Thanks

  • @clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
    @clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 2 роки тому +2

    😎👍🏼.... Interesting add on for you...one of the light electric utility pick ups in Germany thats just come to market only has small batteries so rather than have to draw a lot of juice keeping the cab warm out on the farm and to heat water for a small hand wash bowl system which would add a lot more wt. battery cost and copper etc.
    They use a remote liquid fueled heater ... half the year you dont need it and it weighs and costs a fraction of what the bigger electrical system would.
    It can provide instant heated water and heats the cab up when needed. Aircon.... nope, a fan and windows if you want to go mad fit a sun roof.😉

  • @rossgebert9422
    @rossgebert9422 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for another great Tech Talk.

  • @danieltucker9971
    @danieltucker9971 2 роки тому +1

    Really great video, enjoyed seeing what is possible in a conversion. Thank you!

  • @garethparkin9498
    @garethparkin9498 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks Richard that was a really interesting video

  • @trevorberridge6079
    @trevorberridge6079 2 роки тому

    I imagine that because the drive in the various devices shown is independent of the engine it makes it easier to place them as required by different vehicles. They don't need to be in the original location or orientation. Another informative and entertaining video Richard.

  • @barchetta06
    @barchetta06 2 роки тому +4

    loved the Series 2a build on Quest Channel this week! (Vintage Voltage) could you say who did the reconditioning work? it was mentioned it was sent to Manchester to get done.

    • @ElectricClassicCars
      @ElectricClassicCars  2 роки тому

      I think they were called Carriage Services. They did a cracking job. 👍

  • @beinghappy1312
    @beinghappy1312 2 роки тому +1

    Surprisingly enjoyable

  • @robertgreig9936
    @robertgreig9936 2 роки тому +2

    Another great video Moggy and team.
    I love these tech talks.
    You are actually helping me understand what's going on under the bonnet so to speak!
    I been watching " you tube " and noticed more and more videos about OEM's12V batteries going flat so they can not start their cars!
    Could you do a tech talk about this?

  • @TheStobb50
    @TheStobb50 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve always interested in the idea of particularly a BMC A60 Cambridge/ Oxford I remember working on my Cambridge years ago and there was just loads of space round the engine you could almost climb in next to the engine to do any work.You could put the electric motor where the gearbox was you would have all that huge space plus a big boot for batteries one of these days and I tried

  • @leewheeldon262
    @leewheeldon262 2 роки тому +2

    Loved this one. Thank you 😊

  • @scotta1725
    @scotta1725 2 роки тому +1

    Love the comment, ‘motor pumps and fills the vacuum canister back up with vacuum’ ;-)

  • @micheltebraake7915
    @micheltebraake7915 2 роки тому +2

    Look, this is useful. Show what has changed in parts.

  • @neilwilliams2770
    @neilwilliams2770 2 роки тому +2

    Brilliant talk and explanation can I ask how much range you would lose by running all these systems I mean if you started with a vehicle with say 150 mile range then use the heater to clear windscreen and heat car ect and the servos for steering and brakes ect how efficient would that be regards and again awesome video

    • @ElectricClassicCars
      @ElectricClassicCars  2 роки тому +1

      Depends on the size and ratings of those items but I'd say around 10%. 👍

  • @georgemcinnes8668
    @georgemcinnes8668 Рік тому +1

    What a very informative video. I love to see the great progress in electric vehicles . Keep up your great videos.

  • @vladx2
    @vladx2 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliant tech talks, I find them very clear and informative. A bit of feedback about the editing: the sound effects in the intro were a bit loud compared to the rest of the video. There’s also a bit of whine picked up on the mic, but not too bad. Thanks again!

  • @jeremyreynolds3574
    @jeremyreynolds3574 2 роки тому +2

    Very informative.

  • @stophdoggy6625
    @stophdoggy6625 2 роки тому +1

    Loving this series 👏
    My upcoming challenge is powering the hydro pneumatic system on a soon too be converted Citroen 😁

  • @homood_h
    @homood_h 2 роки тому +4

    I promise you I will convert my land cruiser to electric just upload couple more videos and I think I will have the knowledge 😂😅

  • @TC-V8
    @TC-V8 2 роки тому +5

    If your fitting an air con compressor why don't you also fit a simple heat pump reversing valve to turn it into a more efficient heater?

  • @silvergold5726
    @silvergold5726 2 роки тому +1

    What incredible videos! I learn alot of information on the different tech involved. Thanks!

  • @pritambissonauth2181
    @pritambissonauth2181 2 роки тому +1

    Nice & very informative video. You could have gone a little further, by adding a few figures for the amount of power these alternative assistance, heating and cooling really required. Viewers will be amazed by how efficient they really are. Even ICE vehicles are going this route rather than being a drag on the crankshaft of the engine.

  • @Yodaandhislightsabre
    @Yodaandhislightsabre 2 роки тому

    Awesome series you have here. Really helping me figure out how I want to do my old Jeep Wrangler.

  • @marcosdesousaribeiro3698
    @marcosdesousaribeiro3698 Рік тому +1

    Amigo,o seu trabalho é ótimo parabéns. Um dia eu quero ser igual a vc, sou teu fã.

  • @jessehummer
    @jessehummer 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks so much for sharing your experience! It is really helpful - thanks to you I'm going to start piecing my Land Cruiser (biodiesel for now) with an electric assisted power steering to go little by little into electric!
    Would it be possible to share about how do you control and manage the Tesla motors and batteries? Do you have to use a something like "central computer" to set everything up?
    Thanks su much!

  • @samurai-capybara
    @samurai-capybara 2 роки тому +3

    The fart makes me smile every time. I'm 45.

  • @DELTIC55007
    @DELTIC55007 7 місяців тому +1

    Excellent Video 😊

  • @thefirstdutchguy
    @thefirstdutchguy 2 роки тому +1

    I like the mirror in your bus.

  • @DucDeLamballe
    @DucDeLamballe Рік тому

    that digital mirror is cool!

  • @zoppp621
    @zoppp621 2 роки тому +2

    I love these videos. Can you also list the components you use? I would like to use them in my own projects.

  • @KyleMontanaro
    @KyleMontanaro 2 роки тому +1

    That's a very interesting insight! It's a shame that it still costs an arm and a leg to do a conversion... I'm hoping parts and a more standardised way of working would bring down the costs in the future.

  • @24staples
    @24staples 2 роки тому +1

    Could you please do a video on that rear vision mirror and other advanced technology you can put into older cars

  • @paulpobsanderson6219
    @paulpobsanderson6219 2 роки тому +1

    So interesting, love it.

  • @saurannuraliyev1695
    @saurannuraliyev1695 Рік тому +1

    The only drawback of instant heat that windscreen might crack at extreme low temperature outside due to difference. Personal experience on BMW E38, it's additional coolant pump, so hot air comes almost instantly

    • @ElectricClassicCars
      @ElectricClassicCars  Рік тому

      I kind of see what you mean but in 7 winters driving an electric car and knowing a LOT of electric car owners, I've never heard of this happening yet.

    • @saurannuraliyev1695
      @saurannuraliyev1695 Рік тому

      @@ElectricClassicCars I have forgotten to mention the extreme low temperature like -40 Celsius

  • @oilstovesandmore
    @oilstovesandmore 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Richard,
    Very interesting stuff!
    Can you tell me what type of pedalbox, booster and master cylinder is fitted to the Land Rover? I'm doing a defender axle swap on a series and i want to upgrade my brake cyl. and booster and i like the setup on yours. Thanks!

  • @Tufet.
    @Tufet. Рік тому +2

    awesome guy 🔥

  • @MrRossi1805
    @MrRossi1805 2 роки тому +1

    I would like to see more about AC installing on old vehicles

  • @peterbradley4916
    @peterbradley4916 2 роки тому +2

    love it!

  • @GT6Time
    @GT6Time 7 місяців тому +1

    Love the converted heater boxes. Would you be able to share the make/model of some of heater matrixes you use?

  • @derekwarner6898
    @derekwarner6898 2 роки тому +2

    Interesting once again, it begs the question of having a series of pumps of various kinds being run off one electric motor, instead of many motors. Also can you advise how all this additional electrical power requirement affects range.

    • @Pugjamin
      @Pugjamin 2 роки тому +1

      No point running them all off a single motor. It would make packaging much more difficult, not to mention you would lose the advantage of only running them when needed.
      As for range, it doesn’t “affect” range, as they are part of the vehicle systems, so the range is what it is with those systems being considered.

  • @ian-lg6vu
    @ian-lg6vu 2 роки тому +1

    Hi
    Another great video on the technical bits behind an ev conversion 👍🏻
    In your crew cab I noticed the rear view mirror turn on is it linked to a camera at the rear and is it constantly on when driving
    Cheers
    Ian
    😃👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @ElectricClassicCars
      @ElectricClassicCars  2 роки тому

      Yes, it has a front facing camera and reversing camera and switches off the display if not used after around 10 seconds. 👍

  • @2.3_44XD--
    @2.3_44XD-- 2 роки тому +1

    Famtastic info yess

  • @karlgt9989
    @karlgt9989 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome stuff, where does regenerative braking come in to the equation?

  • @tremaynemurphy5827
    @tremaynemurphy5827 2 роки тому

    Brilliant explanations, thanks

  • @alessandrorusso4415
    @alessandrorusso4415 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @MrRossi1805
    @MrRossi1805 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting

  • @mikegriffiths7487
    @mikegriffiths7487 2 роки тому +1

    Did I see an Alfa Romeo GTV in the background - please tell us about that.

  • @oldschool1993
    @oldschool1993 2 роки тому +1

    That heater box looks like some asthmatic unit out of an old MG from the 50's.

  • @lewisclark5694
    @lewisclark5694 2 роки тому

    Very under intelligent video…..thank you

  • @John_Smythe-Cruickshank
    @John_Smythe-Cruickshank 6 місяців тому +1

    Very good videos! Thanks you very much. One question that comes into mind: aren’t those electrically driven airco and heating units taking too much power off the battery? In other words don’t they diminish the range too much?

  • @aliyubalaahmed9756
    @aliyubalaahmed9756 2 роки тому +2

    Greetings from 🇳🇬. Pls explain regenerative braking and how to get it out of an electric motor. Thanks

  • @agnesofglassstudiogalleryl8921

    Hi, I just saw your channel and I subscribed I love what you did with the vanagon.. how do I get you guys to do the same to my 1980 air cooled vanagon??

  • @MrGMawson2438
    @MrGMawson2438 2 роки тому +2

    Hello mate 👍

  • @marcbee1234
    @marcbee1234 2 роки тому +1

    Great informative video! Do you foresee noticeable development gains with key components in the next few years? Thanks in advance.

  • @HomesteadingUncontained
    @HomesteadingUncontained 2 роки тому +1

    What sort of power does the mini heater blower take. Not yet an electric car (future project) but my Renault 4CV need s heather for the next Monte Carlo Rally - I had fitted the mini blower but could never get enough heat from the rear engine up to the front...... cheers and love these conversions. (I have a Renault 4 that could be an option for conversion)

  • @golf-n-guns
    @golf-n-guns Рік тому

    Fascinating!

  • @gururunsit
    @gururunsit 2 роки тому +1

    Have you guys done bigger vehicles like truck 🚛? I'd want to watch the step by step process

  • @JRJetMan
    @JRJetMan 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you very interesting "but" were are the numbers? How much do these items cost and how much power do they use up?