You should rate some NJPW show someday. Strong style wrestling is awesome, alltho they do not have so good entertaiment elements in their wrestling which is sad in my opinion
Also, Markyd's frustration is what folks who watched SmackDown for most of 2009 had to deal with seeing Cryme Tyme take on the Hart Dynasty every week.
@@jansmitowiczauthor78 Could be worse could be All Friends Wrestling and their outlaw indie trash talent beating all the real talent they have...While of course the "executive VPs" are all running around with the belts
Or people watching Raw last year where every episode had the Viking raiders vs the street prophets I swear they’d even have multiple matches on a single show sometimes 😂
false. EVERYONE wants to be a good company guy like Al snow and nobody wants to be the rebel who stands up for themself and what they wanna do like Stone Cold.
@Lucien Hicks yeah he’s an incredibly gifted performer, in another dimension he’s Shawn Michaels and HBK is Al Snow 😂 I was always a huge Al Snow fan, seems like he’s well respected by most
@@deanpeanuts5112It's okay, you can watch eight foot tall men pace around the ring exchanging rest holds for fifteen minutes before hitting three punches and a power bomb all you want online.
I can handle Matt being called Max, its a solid name and even phonetically similar - but every time Nick Jackson is called "Jeremy", I wince. it just feels wrong.
I agree. Been a fan of LMV/Victoria/Tara since her indy days. Back then I always wondered why it looked like Gen Me/The Bucks were running from her? I found out that they were both married men soon after.
Real shit here I genuinely love how well spoken and original you are. Whether you're poking fun or actually critiquing, you always have original well thought out content mixed with hilarious puns and dark humor.
This was hilarious...not sure I've ever seen anyone in any company booked into the same match over and over and over and over again for basically their whole run. This was like a house show circuit 😅
Problems with the TNA Bucks. - Backstage: Hogan&Co didn't care about them so they were basically always buried. - In the ring: On par with the MCMG but their spots were more contrived than MCMG's so, at the time, I felt they were trying to overdo it (I distinctly remember ranting on Figure4online about how they shouldn't have spots with 3 Superkicks while James Storm is winnig matches with the Last Call... well, we all know where that train went). - Promos: Very VERY shitty (the main difference with the Guns were Shelley's promos)... the name was Generation Me, Mike Tenay used to introduce them as "Representing the Me Generation" and their promos were "We want X... It's me, me, me!" No wonder I hated them... There was not a single chance to take them seriously.
As much as I'd love that, Alex Shelley won't be returning for quite some time. He works in the medical profession while being a pro wrestler, and is doing all he can to be safe
I didn't used to be a Young Bucks fan. It wasn't that I thought they were untalented, quite the contrary, they were athletic as hell. But they did win me over as I started getting into New Japan.
Did they get themselves over in NJPW or was it their association with the Bullet Club? I have a different take on them. First impressions count and as generation me, which was my first exposure to them, I was not impressed. Yes, athletic as hell but their promos, character work and image in TNA put me off. And i think they were booked like how they were perceived backstage. I've never gotten past that or they never gave me a reason to. How I rate them now is simple; you seen one Young Bucks match, you've seen them all! I dont think they would be where they are now if it wasnt for their association with the Bullet Club. The Bullet Club got the Young Bucks over more than they could do themselves
@@kodiak1984 Its a bit of a mix, Bucks themselves have talked about how they already did the stuff that Bullet Club were known for, so they meshed pretty well. They also do a great job of connecting with passionate niches in wrestling, something that can give a stable leg to stand on. That being said, NJPW doesn't exactly have a "Prestigious" tag division, and people often overlook their thin roster of opponents.
I loved the Motor City Machine Guns/Generation Me rivalry. It was honestly one of the better things to come out of TNA's dark ages when Hogan was there, and that is mainly due to the Machine Guns themselves. Sabin and Shelley put on great matches with almost every tag team during the time.
I've seen websites say that it's Okada, but I don't think it's true. The guy playing Suicide there is the same size as Brian Kendrick, but Okada is way taller than Kendrick. For comparison, Kendrick is 5'8 whereas Okada is 6'3, so unless Okada found a way to shrink himself, there's no way he was playing Suicide.
I think the problem i have with superkicks and suicide dives is that they are just overdone its not exciting when everyone does it. Like you can tell a story in the match without loads of dives in every match on the card. Be safe and be original is all i will say :)
I think a problem that unfortunately the young bucks to do with is the lack of diversity in tag wrestling, we don’t have a road worriers or Steiner brothers to contrast their style, other teams like the new day are partly a part of this problem and In my opinion the way to fix this is to push teams that have different styles of wrestling. Some examples of old tag teams that provided styles we need of are, heart foundation, team 3D, Steiner brothers and edge & Christian
dude you're thoroughly enjoyable to watch or well, listen to lol thank you for these wrestling commentaries with videos and not pics like many others that attempt to do this cheers to you man from NYC!! keep it up Hawk!! I've been binge watching your vids for a while now. they're great!
Gen Me almost had a character when they were paired with Tara. The three of them proposed a grouping to management, and they had a touch of screen time together. Unfortunately, inconsistent booking and management that couldn't give a damn.
I love the intro. I'm an old school wrestling fan myself but I'll do better not to make fun of the current generation of prowrestlers or the fans that love them. The Hawk nailed it here on the divide in the fandom.
I'm an aew guy and my biggest problem with the young bucks is the selling and the false finishes. Like they'll kick out of so many finishers that the actual finish isn't as impactful
I think wrestling to should try to cater to all kinds of wrestling fans. That's honestly what made TNA from 2004-2009 great. (Aside from Double J hogging the main event spotlight) they had all the high flying stuff, but they also had the big powerhouses doing the big power moves. I think there should be variety in wrestling.
TNA only need to turn their show into an old style wrestling show based around characters and storylines rather than solely in ring action and they would stand out and be worth watching. The Hawk's example episodes were actually better than anything we see now
It’s funny to watch your video about the young bucks because I remember when I first seen them just like you did, in TNA and thinking “these guys kick ass, I want to see more of them” and then they were gone.
Yeah I believe that was the Half-Time Heat Match where there fight ends up in the arena concessions warehouse and Mankind pins The Rock with assistance from a forklift and pallet Great Match but you cannot forget to mention the Empty Arena Match between Jerry Lawler and Terry Funk in Memphis!!!
I know you typically don't do WWE content in general, much less for Ring of the Hawk but you should do a ROH video for Kizarny/Sinn Bodhi's run in WWE. Dude had months of vignettes, wrestled far fewer than 30 matches and left just as soon as he came almost like all the hype was for naught
Great that you mentioned the Reaction match. It was really way ahead of it's time especially for the cinematography and was really good. Highly recommended to check it out.
I love the intro you made about the bucks style of wrestling and I think it’s true. I am 5’7 and small so I personally love to see that quick pace high flying wrestling and have loved it since I started watching with the first guys I remember loving was evan Bourne and Rey mysterio. So for me I like wrestling more now than when I was in elementary school. But I do agree, if you love those bigger guys with personality like MJF, Moose, Scott Steiner and FTR there isn’t as much as there should be.
As a fan of several generations of wrestling, including modern and territorial days, thank you for that intro. Disagreeing on modern wrestling is fine. Its when you're a Jim Cornett who don't even like old school style wrestling because it happened in a specific promotion or by a specific wrestler that it's a problem.
You can't spell the person's name dude he likes matches that make since not stink Cornette been a fan of multiple generations of wrestling he doesn't mind high spots but if every other moment I have been trying to watch every physical talent not dive jump jump mess up whimper still win unless in TNA
I honestly understand why people are split both the old style of wrestling is still amazing to watch even now like Paul Wight and even Brock Lesnar and then there’s the high flyers like Sammy Guevara and Ricochet. Both styles are always amazing but that’s why you have to appreciate the middle ground
Here are some suggestions, since I never have done any besides the joke "Wes Brisco": *Dr. Death Steve Williams (though it would only have the Brawl for All, the Kabuki run-in, Jim Ross as a heel manager... again, and a match against the Godfather) in the WWF *The Sultan (Rikishi's transition gimmick between his "Make a Difference" Fatu shtick and the character that made him the most money) in the WWF *Scott Putski's career (I don't think Putski had 30 matches in both WWF and WCW combined) *The Patriot in the WWF *Rick Martel in WCW *Juventud Guerrera in TNA
As a die hard Young Bucks fan C is exactly what this run should have gotten, even the bucks themselves dont have much positive to say about their tna run.
Hey Marky, I love your channel, one of the TNA Monday Night Wars videos was recommended to me, and I've went through everything else lol. You have a different video style that I really dig. Thanks Man! And Thank you, Hawk Hogan! Anyway, i just wanted to say that after watching these guys, and I'm a old school wrestling fan, i don't watch AEW or anything now really, but i honestly think that these two guys are gonna end up really hurt or hurt a fellow wrestler really badly, just by the way they are constantly doing moves, and not slowing the fuck down most of the time. I'm honestly amazed they haven't done it already. Having said that, i can see why people enjoy their matches. They can be fun to watch. Edit: Totally misremembered the day of the week lmao. Monday, not Wednesday.
Here is some wrestlers I would like to see on Ring of the Hawk Ronda Rousey in WWE as she had exactly 30 TV Show/PPV Matches (That's if female wrestlers will get on ROH) Kenny Omega in Ring Of Honor since he had 27 TV/PPV Matches Steve Austin in New Japan Pro Wrestling since he had 8 TV/PPV Matches Jushin Thunder Liger in WCW since he had 28 TV/PPV Matches Insane Clown Posse in WCW since they had around 10 TV/PPV Matches
The Bucks actually had great in ring chemistry with MCMG. I thought their matches were fun to watch but I understand you hate that stuff Marky D so no need to hit me with a brick.
No matter how great the matches are, if you face the same people week after week and PPV after PPV it's going to get old, no matter how many flips you include.
As EVPs, the Bucks pretty much "own" TNA now, lording over the company that once treated you like absolute garbage? Who in the wrestling business other than Vince McMahon can even claim such a revenge story
@Anthony Joseph I mean the Bucks obviously have enough backstage pull to make a multi-million dollar signee like CM Punk lose his mind...so. I thought you guys like to complain that all of wrestling media are sycophants for the Elite & help them bury ppl at their whim. So which one is it, do they have power or not? But anyway, I was talking about the satisfaction of going to your old company and practically getting a free hand to do whatever tf you wanted for a yr. Which included using the main event of a TNA ppv superkicking TNA's top guy moose and dx chopping over his limp body while posing for the camera yelling "it's max and jeremy buck" going viral on wrestling twitter. musta felt good.
@@tapset I mean they have enough pull to run a multi-million dollar signee like Punk out of the company...so. I thought you guys like to complain all of wrestling media is in their pocket helping them bury wrestlers at their whim. So which one is it?
I never really watched anything from the Bucks, but now I see what people meant by all acrobatics, no wrestling. Very flashy, but it all comes across as highly ineffective, since they throw everything at their opponents and they keep kicking out of increasingly flashier stuff. It's like kicking someone in the face with a 1080 corkscrew super dropkick, only to bounce off of the guy you kicked.
Yeah the guys like the bucks, Rey fenix etc need to go watch the cruiserweights in WCW to see how it's done correctly. They looked like they were fighting each other where as as today it's more like some weird interpretive art exhibition
I think both moderation and variety is a lost art that the indies forgot about, which in turn the larger promotions embraced. If you want to have a more technical match or a guy just beating on dudes with power moves, people have now been conditioned to call it "boring". Variety is the spice of life; WCW died cause they refused to adapt, what we're dealing with today is just wrestling becoming so homogenized it might as well be bottled and sold at Walmart given how mass produced it is.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 You don't watch enough wrestling to make your claim. Not every indie promotion has that style that you dislike, especially if the wrestlers in the matches are foreigners or simply have a different style. WCW died because of poor business decisions, including the creation of Thunder (which Eric Bischoff was against), burying the cruiserweight division despite being very over, and not building up new stars until around the year 2000.
It started decent then quickly reached the shove-it zone and after that went straight to BS Classic 2010 Hogan-Bishoff-Trash (but with GREAT commentary, as always)
tl;dr: I like the 80-00s style of wrestling more than the modern work rate based wrestling I grew up watching Ruthless Aggression and PG era wrestling so I got the chance to see the blend from the more traditional big guys, big personalities, and big promos to a more work rate focused wrestling. I’m more partial to the former for these reasons: I think that style of wrestling appealed more to the casual fans and drew in people that would never consider watching wrestling. Now and even back then, kayfabe was essentially dead and most people knew that what happens in the ring is rehearsed/ not full contact. By steering the focus away from what happens to the ring and more on the personalities of the performers more people are intrigued. With the more modern work rate based wrestling, it only really appeals to hardcore fans.
I think modern wrestling is already shifting from just high flyers though. AEW has a lot of big guys. Variety is more important to me in wrestling than one single style. NJPW and AJPW do not focus on high flying either despite westerners assuming that. Current Impact has a variety of shapes and sizes. Look at MOOSE. Dudes a beast.
Man I had forgotten all about that x division match against the motor city machine guns. And I'll be honest I didn't even realize that was the young bucks until now. But man when the highlights came on it brought back vivid memories of me as a kid watching it in amazement of what they were doing in the ring.
Young Bucks took so long to make it beyond the indies because of their well documented attitudes. Their TNA run might have gone better if they didn't have big egos and think they are better than anyone else. They managed to screw up a WWE developmental deal after pissing off WWE locker room veterans when getting a tryout that apparently went really well. They've always been the fake it till you make it types and treated others in the locker room as below them. Tbh if they didn't get that NJPW run in the Bullet Club and become friends with Cody they'd still be nobodies. The only people who would care about them still would be wrestling nerds and 40 year old jaded WWE fans who say they hate Raw but still watch it. These guys almost as much of a botched career and wasted potential as Teddy Hart does, at least he managed to make it into a WWE developmental deal several times. These guys blew it right away and were never invited back.
In one of his podcasts, Bruce Prichard said that even back in their early TNA days and before they'd had more than a handful of matches, the Bucks carried themselves like megastars. He said they were actually nice guys but they were more impressed with themselves than anyone else was. It's funny to see Bischoff kiss their arses in his podcasts now when he rightfully didn't give them the time of day back then.
No clue they had so many matches with the Guns! I’m of two minds about them nowadays, it’s fun but there can always be too much of it. I think as I get older I start to appreciate character work and promos more. Maybe cuz the bar of in-ring work has gone so high? Also Hawk - I don’t see an Okada in TNA video, that would be fun! I’m new to the channel though so I could be wrong. Of all the guys who were Suicide I did not know he moonlighted for a night
When it comes to their overuse of the super kick, I think it ends up making them look weak as hell. They hit it multiple times during a match and never get the pinfall, where as HBK hits it once and gets the win. This is the difference between a 'super kick' and 'sweet chin music'.
It’s not just them though. Damn near every wrestler in AEW has a variation of the super kick or a powerful finisher is done and they always kick out. I stopped watching when I realized it’s not what they promised the company to be
As mentioned this video was won by a vote from you the fans. I haven’t sold out and gone soft, I still punch right where it hurts don’t worry!
Thank u hawk for the video I’m never this early hope you are having a nice day
LONG LIVE WEED
@@purvalama6540 one day I will find some that goes well with Wes Brisco... okay maybe not.
You should rate some NJPW show someday. Strong style wrestling is awesome, alltho they do not have so good entertaiment elements in their wrestling which is sad in my opinion
I never care what you upload. Your videos are highly entertaining for me Seeing that weak assed Bischoff spin kick made my day.
So this is basically The Bucks vs MCMG for a whole year. Neat.
Neat
Hey, they faced Ink Inc a couple times!
Before TNA tried breaking them up.. like TNA always dose
Both teams, Yung Bucks and MCMGs are awesome! 👌
I watched them all lol
Also, Markyd's frustration is what folks who watched SmackDown for most of 2009 had to deal with seeing Cryme Tyme take on the Hart Dynasty every week.
Or like basically all of Raw for the past many years, lol.
@@jansmitowiczauthor78 Could be worse could be All Friends Wrestling and their outlaw indie trash talent beating all the real talent they have...While of course the "executive VPs" are all running around with the belts
@@lutherheggs451 atleast they gave Darby the title instead of another elite member. But then again Kenny might want another belt lol
Or people watching Raw last year where every episode had the Viking raiders vs the street prophets I swear they’d even have multiple matches on a single show sometimes 😂
Good for you. i blocked all of those repeat matches out of memory.
Tara: "Wanna ride?"
Me: "Yes."
Tara: "Me or the bike?"
Me: "Yes."
When do we get EC3’s main roster WWE run for Ring of the Hawk lmao
@Tiger I mean, if he did. He was still injured for most of his NXT run, so either way he probability still qualifies
I honestly always hated EC3. He was a comedy gimmick treated as a main eventer.
The Ascension for ring of the hawk...!!!!
@Lucien Hicks your garbage
@@RollysonMason because he was excellent in the ring and a good athlete
The problem with wrestling now imo is that everyone wants to be Stone Cold and nobody wants to be Al Snow
false. EVERYONE wants to be a good company guy like Al snow and nobody wants to be the rebel who stands up for themself and what they wanna do like Stone Cold.
Stone cold said you shouldn't be in the wrestling business if you don't want to be world champion. So u kinda stupid
@@brentblack2878 your missing the point dude, there’s not a belt for everyone at all times
@Lucien Hicks yeah he’s an incredibly gifted performer, in another dimension he’s Shawn Michaels and HBK is Al Snow 😂 I was always a huge Al Snow fan, seems like he’s well respected by most
@Lucien Hicks his shoot interviews are really fun to watch if u haven’t already
Its really impressiv how clean MCMG and the Bucks are working their matches. Those crazy moves and the Timing is really good most of the time
It’s a botch show wtf are you talking about
@@deanpeanuts5112 Don’t get how tf you see that?
So many cool and impressive spots. MCMG and the bucks really connected.
@@deanpeanuts5112 "Botch fest" sure bud, keep lying to yourself.
@@deanpeanuts5112It's okay, you can watch eight foot tall men pace around the ring exchanging rest holds for fifteen minutes before hitting three punches and a power bomb all you want online.
I can handle Matt being called Max, its a solid name and even phonetically similar - but every time Nick Jackson is called "Jeremy", I wince. it just feels wrong.
They look like overgrown babies anyways.
i be honest if i was in my 20's and tara wanted to be my cougar i have no problem with her making me a men
She aged very well
NGL that whole cougar gimmick she had was pretty hot.
I agree. Been a fan of LMV/Victoria/Tara since her indy days. Back then I always wondered why it looked like Gen Me/The Bucks were running from her? I found out that they were both married men soon after.
Wow she’d turn you plural, into multiples. Well Damn! That’s some woman. Then you could rock her Dr. Manhattan style
@Burn it All down 😂😂😂😂😂
"this match again?!?"
"Well fuck, it was good again"
Haha pretty much yea
"Man, the amount of talent in the undercard is unbelievable." *Proceeds to to review 20 separate
Gen Me v. MCMG matches*
Seriously. TNA had an all-star roster in 2010 but that was only the upper card.
Real shit here I genuinely love how well spoken and original you are. Whether you're poking fun or actually critiquing, you always have original well thought out content mixed with hilarious puns and dark humor.
I hate watching these old tna matches, It just makes me so mad to see all that potential wasted.
For real the Buck's should've won the tag belt's.
yeh if i wanted to see wasted potential i would watch modern wwe
This was hilarious...not sure I've ever seen anyone in any company booked into the same match over and over and over and over again for basically their whole run. This was like a house show circuit 😅
The thing is they lost almost all thr matches they were glorified jobbers
Zach Gowen in WWE
Dan Severn in WWF
Mikey Whipwreck in WCW
Sandman as Hardcore Hak in WCW
Sid vicious in ECW
Spike Dudley in TNA
Muhammad Hassan
The Patriot in WWF
Three of those videos are coming up really soon!
add Orlando Jordan in TNA lol
Cant wait for dan severn
Dan Severn should never be in a comment on the the bitch boys video of Young Fucks
Problems with the TNA Bucks.
- Backstage: Hogan&Co didn't care about them so they were basically always buried.
- In the ring: On par with the MCMG but their spots were more contrived than MCMG's so, at the time, I felt they were trying to overdo it (I distinctly remember ranting on Figure4online about how they shouldn't have spots with 3 Superkicks while James Storm is winnig matches with the Last Call... well, we all know where that train went).
- Promos: Very VERY shitty (the main difference with the Guns were Shelley's promos)... the name was Generation Me, Mike Tenay used to introduce them as "Representing the Me Generation" and their promos were "We want X... It's me, me, me!" No wonder I hated them... There was not a single chance to take them seriously.
I seriously liked beer money more. And they were heels too.
@demoncyborg98 " BEER.... MONEY! " That itself is better than the Young bucks lmaoo
I would like to see bucks vs motor city on dynamite. Just for nostalgic reasons since both companies are working together 😃
That would be awesome dude!
Its Sucks Shelly is injured, but Alex arguably had his best work in 2019.
@@RollysonMason Oh Yeah I forgot about that... Damn! It seems like they never are good to wrestle together nowadays, other one is always injured
Bucks, Guns and FTR six man forever, yes please
As much as I'd love that, Alex Shelley won't be returning for quite some time. He works in the medical profession while being a pro wrestler, and is doing all he can to be safe
It's funny how Shannon Moore was Jeff Hardy's stoner friend and a Mattitude follower before that!
The Young Bucks style isn't a problem until it becomes the style for every match on a card or the majority of matches.
I didn't used to be a Young Bucks fan. It wasn't that I thought they were untalented, quite the contrary, they were athletic as hell. But they did win me over as I started getting into New Japan.
Same boat myself, though their NJPW run is debatably the most restrained they've ever been in their entire career.
Did they get themselves over in NJPW or was it their association with the Bullet Club? I have a different take on them. First impressions count and as generation me, which was my first exposure to them, I was not impressed. Yes, athletic as hell but their promos, character work and image in TNA put me off. And i think they were booked like how they were perceived backstage. I've never gotten past that or they never gave me a reason to. How I rate them now is simple; you seen one Young Bucks match, you've seen them all! I dont think they would be where they are now if it wasnt for their association with the Bullet Club. The Bullet Club got the Young Bucks over more than they could do themselves
@@kodiak1984 Its a bit of a mix, Bucks themselves have talked about how they already did the stuff that Bullet Club were known for, so they meshed pretty well. They also do a great job of connecting with passionate niches in wrestling, something that can give a stable leg to stand on. That being said, NJPW doesn't exactly have a "Prestigious" tag division, and people often overlook their thin roster of opponents.
For me it was their second roh run
Damn that Matt Hardy submission looked awesome. He should've kept using it
*Drinking game*
- Take a shot everytime they face the Motor city machine guns.
Alcohol 🍺 ☠️
You would have a Ric Flair liver by now
I read this before watching the video and I had no idea it was going to be that bad.
Do you want people to die from alcohol poisoning?
My liver: "Stop stop I'm already dead."
I'd love to see Christopher Nowinski's main roster run in WWE on Ring of the Hawk. He had exactly 30 matches total on Raw and on PPV
I loved the Motor City Machine Guns/Generation Me rivalry. It was honestly one of the better things to come out of TNA's dark ages when Hogan was there, and that is mainly due to the Machine Guns themselves. Sabin and Shelley put on great matches with almost every tag team during the time.
My fav tag team ever
Never knew Okada once had the honor of being Suicide.
That's deep lore right there.
That’s the type of gut punches I deliver
He wasn't
@@D57 he was on excursion.
@@RobertJW Yeah I think for those who aren't aware, when AJ Styles called Okada "young boy" when he debuted in NJPW, it's a reference to that.
I've seen websites say that it's Okada, but I don't think it's true. The guy playing Suicide there is the same size as Brian Kendrick, but Okada is way taller than Kendrick. For comparison, Kendrick is 5'8 whereas Okada is 6'3, so unless Okada found a way to shrink himself, there's no way he was playing Suicide.
I think the problem i have with superkicks and suicide dives is that they are just overdone its not exciting when everyone does it. Like you can tell a story in the match without loads of dives in every match on the card. Be safe and be original is all i will say :)
Also we gotta have Orlando Jordan do the J O B to the H A W K
That’s one guy who’ll lay down for Hollywood Hawk Hogan any night, any day (haha)
I like how you updated the "match title" section. The "SSN" set up looks way better than the generic letters.
I really think Shannon Moore wasn’t that bad tbh
3 Count (Helms, Moore, Karagias) in WCW would be a good add to the roster if you ever go for a stable
Yea he surprised me in this video
23:41
The WWE technically did it before them.
Rock vs Mankind? Empty arena match?
The whole intro I was thinking "Okay, enough misdirection, who are you really reviewing?" Sometimes the best swerve is no swerve at all.
I greatly appreciate the disclaimer at the beginning. The hawk must be tough but fair.
You know there's a middle ground between high flying and just big heavies? Guys like Rollins fit that middle ground perfect!
I think that face was meant to be his Heel Guy Mean Face 🤷🏾♂️
I think a problem that unfortunately the young bucks to do with is the lack of diversity in tag wrestling, we don’t have a road worriers or Steiner brothers to contrast their style, other teams like the new day are partly a part of this problem and In my opinion the way to fix this is to push teams that have different styles of wrestling. Some examples of old tag teams that provided styles we need of are, heart foundation, team 3D, Steiner brothers and edge & Christian
I said “what was the point of that” so many times during this video 😂😂😂
dude you're thoroughly enjoyable to watch or well, listen to lol thank you for these wrestling commentaries with videos and not pics like many others that attempt to do this cheers to you man from NYC!! keep it up Hawk!! I've been binge watching your vids for a while now. they're great!
Rhyno in Ring of Honor for ROH
@Tiger Yeah, but it would be insanely easy since Ring of Honor doesn't care about copyright.
@Tiger tna is a b show for the last 5 years until now
@Tiger how is it a b show?
in match 4, you said Shelley did an "unusual submission". I know it as the "Queen Angelito stretch" not sure of any other names it's been called.
Gen Me almost had a character when they were paired with Tara. The three of them proposed a grouping to management, and they had a touch of screen time together. Unfortunately, inconsistent booking and management that couldn't give a damn.
I love the intro. I'm an old school wrestling fan myself but I'll do better not to make fun of the current generation of prowrestlers or the fans that love them. The Hawk nailed it here on the divide in the fandom.
I'm an aew guy and my biggest problem with the young bucks is the selling and the false finishes. Like they'll kick out of so many finishers that the actual finish isn't as impactful
As a fellow AEW guy thats not a bucks problem, thats a company wide problem.
I think wrestling to should try to cater to all kinds of wrestling fans. That's honestly what made TNA from 2004-2009 great. (Aside from Double J hogging the main event spotlight) they had all the high flying stuff, but they also had the big powerhouses doing the big power moves. I think there should be variety in wrestling.
It was built after Nitro back then, now it's built after ROH along with all wrestling
TNA only need to turn their show into an old style wrestling show based around characters and storylines rather than solely in ring action and they would stand out and be worth watching. The Hawk's example episodes were actually better than anything we see now
Can we get that Oz video eventually, it sounds like it would be a "fun" watch.
Yes I’m going to be selfish and do it because I’ve wanted to do it for like a year. The squad can shuv it!
The man who looks like Elvis in his first WCW run (as the Diamond Studd) and Hall in the AWA would be great candidates for Ring of the Hawk.
That Zach Gowen footage at the beginning...are we finally getting a Zach Gowen episode?!
You sure will be!
It’s funny to watch your video about the young bucks because I remember when I first seen them just like you did, in TNA and thinking “these guys kick ass, I want to see more of them” and then they were gone.
It would be cool to see a Pentagon Jr Ring of the hawk
The Caribbean in me loves the use of Dutty Wine as background music
DAMMIT HAWK!!! Your intro made me shed a single tear... I sucked it back in, but it started to fall.
Sandman in WCW
HARDCORE HAK
Also, I believe that submission at 15:05 is called the Rocking Horse.
You know The Rock and Mick Foley had an empty Arena match in 99 right? So WWE did not copy TNA
Yeah I believe that was the Half-Time Heat Match where there fight ends up in the arena concessions warehouse and Mankind pins The Rock with assistance from a forklift and pallet Great Match but you cannot forget to mention the Empty Arena Match between Jerry Lawler and Terry Funk in Memphis!!!
Man, WWF ran empty arena matches week in and week out for a while there. It was called the New Generation Era.
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@@Ramblebarcorrect
That Alex Shelley submission is called, Billy Goats Curse, according to WWE 2k20.
This man got the Dutty Wine instrumental as background music. Already you’re getting a like for that one pal!
I know you typically don't do WWE content in general, much less for Ring of the Hawk but you should do a ROH video for Kizarny/Sinn Bodhi's run in WWE. Dude had months of vignettes, wrestled far fewer than 30 matches and left just as soon as he came almost like all the hype was for naught
Great that you mentioned the Reaction match. It was really way ahead of it's time especially for the cinematography and was really good. Highly recommended to check it out.
I love the intro you made about the bucks style of wrestling and I think it’s true. I am 5’7 and small so I personally love to see that quick pace high flying wrestling and have loved it since I started watching with the first guys I remember loving was evan Bourne and Rey mysterio. So for me I like wrestling more now than when I was in elementary school. But I do agree, if you love those bigger guys with personality like MJF, Moose, Scott Steiner and FTR there isn’t as much as there should be.
Most sensible comment I’ve read all day thank you!
It's crazy they literally do the same exact matches to this day. Same spots and shockingly with the same execution.
As a fan of several generations of wrestling, including modern and territorial days, thank you for that intro. Disagreeing on modern wrestling is fine. Its when you're a Jim Cornett who don't even like old school style wrestling because it happened in a specific promotion or by a specific wrestler that it's a problem.
You can't spell the person's name dude he likes matches that make since not stink Cornette been a fan of multiple generations of wrestling he doesn't mind high spots but if every other moment I have been trying to watch every physical talent not dive jump jump mess up whimper still win unless in TNA
Man, I remember going crazy for that first match when I was like 16!
I honestly understand why people are split both the old style of wrestling is still amazing to watch even now like Paul Wight and even Brock Lesnar and then there’s the high flyers like Sammy Guevara and Ricochet. Both styles are always amazing but that’s why you have to appreciate the middle ground
and then you have Keith Lee who can do both, a powerhouse and the agility of a cruiserweight.
I really liked them when I saw them in TNA. Not so much now. I just can't help wondering where they're going to go for bigger matches.
33 minutes of markyd wow we blessed
Might be longest video of all time
@@Markyd123 here's to many more
Here are some suggestions, since I never have done any besides the joke "Wes Brisco":
*Dr. Death Steve Williams (though it would only have the Brawl for All, the Kabuki run-in, Jim Ross as a heel manager... again, and a match against the Godfather) in the WWF
*The Sultan (Rikishi's transition gimmick between his "Make a Difference" Fatu shtick and the character that made him the most money) in the WWF
*Scott Putski's career (I don't think Putski had 30 matches in both WWF and WCW combined)
*The Patriot in the WWF
*Rick Martel in WCW
*Juventud Guerrera in TNA
I think jeff's stoner friend met this guy in an xbox live lobby....and then showed up at his house as he new stepfather.
I like how it ends with Tara kicking the camera that’s such a TNA ending 😂
As a die hard Young Bucks fan C is exactly what this run should have gotten, even the bucks themselves dont have much positive to say about their tna run.
I enjoyed watching them as gen me when I was a young teen. But they just didn’t do much with them
They're even less interesting in AEW
Dammit, your channel is god damn addictive, I don’t wanna watch it but feel compelled to watch it at the same time
Hey Marky, I love your channel, one of the TNA Monday Night Wars videos was recommended to me, and I've went through everything else lol. You have a different video style that I really dig. Thanks Man! And Thank you, Hawk Hogan!
Anyway, i just wanted to say that after watching these guys, and I'm a old school wrestling fan, i don't watch AEW or anything now really, but i honestly think that these two guys are gonna end up really hurt or hurt a fellow wrestler really badly, just by the way they are constantly doing moves, and not slowing the fuck down most of the time. I'm honestly amazed they haven't done it already.
Having said that, i can see why people enjoy their matches. They can be fun to watch.
Edit: Totally misremembered the day of the week lmao. Monday, not Wednesday.
You're correct but surprisingly they're safe
Here is some wrestlers I would like to see on Ring of the Hawk
Ronda Rousey in WWE as she had exactly 30 TV Show/PPV Matches (That's if female wrestlers will get on ROH)
Kenny Omega in Ring Of Honor since he had 27 TV/PPV Matches
Steve Austin in New Japan Pro Wrestling since he had 8 TV/PPV Matches
Jushin Thunder Liger in WCW since he had 28 TV/PPV Matches
Insane Clown Posse in WCW since they had around 10 TV/PPV Matches
The Bucks actually had great in ring chemistry with MCMG. I thought their matches were fun to watch but I understand you hate that stuff Marky D so no need to hit me with a brick.
I don’t mind the odd one but it was 5 or 6 times in the space of a few months!
No matter how great the matches are, if you face the same people week after week and PPV after PPV it's going to get old, no matter how many flips you include.
These guys are super super talented, but I just don’t care for the new high flyers, they don’t sell like the old cats, and it really kills it for me
For real, and I’m bigger than he is, it’s like fuck where did the art form disappear to
Would love to see Juvi's and Abismo Negro's TNA runs! Though granted Abismo isn't the most well known.
Motor city...my 2nd favorite tag team under L O D and extremely under appreciated
As EVPs, the Bucks pretty much "own" TNA now, lording over the company that once treated you like absolute garbage? Who in the wrestling business other than Vince McMahon can even claim such a revenge story
How? That title doesn't mean shit
@Anthony Joseph I mean the Bucks obviously have enough backstage pull to make a multi-million dollar signee like CM Punk lose his mind...so. I thought you guys like to complain that all of wrestling media are sycophants for the Elite & help them bury ppl at their whim. So which one is it, do they have power or not? But anyway, I was talking about the satisfaction of going to your old company and practically getting a free hand to do whatever tf you wanted for a yr. Which included using the main event of a TNA ppv superkicking TNA's top guy moose and dx chopping over his limp body while posing for the camera yelling "it's max and jeremy buck" going viral on wrestling twitter. musta felt good.
@@tapset I mean they have enough pull to run a multi-million dollar signee like Punk out of the company...so. I thought you guys like to complain all of wrestling media is in their pocket helping them bury wrestlers at their whim. So which one is it?
Bro I been binging on this channel. Mad addicted to this nostalga blast for me. Reminds me of when I'd watch wrestling with my Uncle.
I love he is just the friend now
WWE did an empty arena match like a decade before the Bucks vs MCMG. Rock vs Mankind during Halftime Heat
The hawk can no sell a whole super kick party
I never really watched anything from the Bucks, but now I see what people meant by all acrobatics, no wrestling. Very flashy, but it all comes across as highly ineffective, since they throw everything at their opponents and they keep kicking out of increasingly flashier stuff.
It's like kicking someone in the face with a 1080 corkscrew super dropkick, only to bounce off of the guy you kicked.
I won’t stop saying this marky!
We want more nwa Tna! You said once a week so give us it once a week marky or u can shuv it!
Don’t worry I promise one of the next videos will be. I’m enjoying it!
@@Markyd123 yesssssss! Thanks for
Giving us some real wrestling content ,unlike Tom top ten wrestling
@@Flakeinhoo Thanks brother. Think Tom is juggling a lot of uni work whilst trying to maintain some sort of life in this crazy world.
Shoot now I need a new title for my inevitable video about why of all the people to rehire in 2020, WWE chose Pat Buck.
The style isn't the problem. The problem is that's 90% of what's out there.
Imo it's how it's executed. This fast pace, high flying, spontaneous style can work.
Yeah the guys like the bucks, Rey fenix etc need to go watch the cruiserweights in WCW to see how it's done correctly. They looked like they were fighting each other where as as today it's more like some weird interpretive art exhibition
That's not true, though.
I think both moderation and variety is a lost art that the indies forgot about, which in turn the larger promotions embraced. If you want to have a more technical match or a guy just beating on dudes with power moves, people have now been conditioned to call it "boring". Variety is the spice of life; WCW died cause they refused to adapt, what we're dealing with today is just wrestling becoming so homogenized it might as well be bottled and sold at Walmart given how mass produced it is.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 You don't watch enough wrestling to make your claim. Not every indie promotion has that style that you dislike, especially if the wrestlers in the matches are foreigners or simply have a different style.
WCW died because of poor business decisions, including the creation of Thunder (which Eric Bischoff was against), burying the cruiserweight division despite being very over, and not building up new stars until around the year 2000.
The opening to this was VERY well put. I appreciate it.
Fucking Matt Boring , gets me everytime LMAO.
I wonder if the one Buck will be completely and utterly bold b4 they quit going by "young bucks"
Hey Marky how about Christian in Ecw.
It started decent then quickly reached the shove-it zone and after that went straight to BS
Classic 2010 Hogan-Bishoff-Trash (but with GREAT commentary, as always)
Back when balding buck had a decent hair line
Cults are bad you shouldn’t join them
His hair hasnt really changed
The Smash Riddim playing in the background 😭😭😭
Happy St.Patrick’s Day everyone!!! ☘️
Lol is that the Dutty Wine riddim looping in the background?
tl;dr: I like the 80-00s style of wrestling more than the modern work rate based wrestling
I grew up watching Ruthless Aggression and PG era wrestling so I got the chance to see the blend from the more traditional big guys, big personalities, and big promos to a more work rate focused wrestling. I’m more partial to the former for these reasons:
I think that style of wrestling appealed more to the casual fans and drew in people that would never consider watching wrestling. Now and even back then, kayfabe was essentially dead and most people knew that what happens in the ring is rehearsed/ not full contact. By steering the focus away from what happens to the ring and more on the personalities of the performers more people are intrigued. With the more modern work rate based wrestling, it only really appeals to hardcore fans.
Put it better than I could of!
Great video! And I really like the fact that you have Dancehall on background sound Ahah, it gives flow 🙌🏾
I think modern wrestling is already shifting from just high flyers though. AEW has a lot of big guys. Variety is more important to me in wrestling than one single style. NJPW and AJPW do not focus on high flying either despite westerners assuming that.
Current Impact has a variety of shapes and sizes. Look at MOOSE. Dudes a beast.
Moose is the only muscle guy there isn’t he...
@@Markyd123 Hernandez, XXXL, James Storm, Jake Something, Moose, Shera,
@@lamelame1779 they are all in terrible shape apart from shera. And 6 foot isn’t big. That’s my point. Moose is the only guy.
Man I had forgotten all about that x division match against the motor city machine guns. And I'll be honest I didn't even realize that was the young bucks until now. But man when the highlights came on it brought back vivid memories of me as a kid watching it in amazement of what they were doing in the ring.
Young Bucks took so long to make it beyond the indies because of their well documented attitudes. Their TNA run might have gone better if they didn't have big egos and think they are better than anyone else. They managed to screw up a WWE developmental deal after pissing off WWE locker room veterans when getting a tryout that apparently went really well. They've always been the fake it till you make it types and treated others in the locker room as below them. Tbh if they didn't get that NJPW run in the Bullet Club and become friends with Cody they'd still be nobodies. The only people who would care about them still would be wrestling nerds and 40 year old jaded WWE fans who say they hate Raw but still watch it.
These guys almost as much of a botched career and wasted potential as Teddy Hart does, at least he managed to make it into a WWE developmental deal several times. These guys blew it right away and were never invited back.
In one of his podcasts, Bruce Prichard said that even back in their early TNA days and before they'd had more than a handful of matches, the Bucks carried themselves like megastars. He said they were actually nice guys but they were more impressed with themselves than anyone else was. It's funny to see Bischoff kiss their arses in his podcasts now when he rightfully didn't give them the time of day back then.
No clue they had so many matches with the Guns! I’m of two minds about them nowadays, it’s fun but there can always be too much of it. I think as I get older I start to appreciate character work and promos more. Maybe cuz the bar of in-ring work has gone so high?
Also Hawk - I don’t see an Okada in TNA video, that would be fun! I’m new to the channel though so I could be wrong. Of all the guys who were Suicide I did not know he moonlighted for a night
When it comes to their overuse of the super kick, I think it ends up making them look weak as hell. They hit it multiple times during a match and never get the pinfall, where as HBK hits it once and gets the win. This is the difference between a 'super kick' and 'sweet chin music'.
Duh the super kick was Shawn's finisher 😂.
It’s not just them though. Damn near every wrestler in AEW has a variation of the super kick or a powerful finisher is done and they always kick out. I stopped watching when I realized it’s not what they promised the company to be
@Marc Espinoza
Actually, they won the AEW Tag Titles with a Superkick
@@conanobrien1924 Was it the only one used in the match?
Unbias Ring of the Hawk judgement is what I love to hear.
NWA might be a "modern" promotion you might like MarkyD.
Someone has asked for a video on it so I’m going to find that out soon! But hopefully!