Motherboard Default settings could be COOKING your CPU!
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2024
- Motherboard manufacturers NEED to stop doing this!!! Enough is enough!
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So the thing is intel programs a voltage frequency curve into the CPU. When the motherboard removes the power and current limits. The CPU will request insane voltages because it's not hitting the power or current limits. So technically the motherboard isn't feeding more voltage than the CPU is requesting. However if the power limits were being properly enforced the CPU wouldn't be able to request insane voltages.
So it's a safety for the ASUS/AMD issue we saw.
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This explains the entire video in one paragraph better than the video explains it in over fifteen minutes.
Does it means that undervolting is a necessary step to avoid overpower condition?
@@georgejones5019Yes and no. Intel is different in how it works because they have a set power draw curve. Specifically what ASUS is doing here is tricking the CPU into a false understanding of it's own state to get around Intel's hard coded limits. The CPU requests more voltage because it misunderstands what the MB is doing. In some respects it's worse than the AMD problem. AMD will mostly just let you send it whatever you want and it's up to the MB manufacturer to stay within the spec AMD gives them. With Intel they are purposely bypassing and taking advantage of a sanity check Intel put on the chip.
My toxic trait is having zero issues with my custom built PC and wanting to look for a problem to fix anyway
Mannn sameee
Ahh, a man of culture
@@death.r6 😆 🙌
Lucky, my computer has been completely imploding on itself
Same, it’s exhausting 😂
Jay is an awesome technical content creator. With him, I improved my English listening skills, learned how to maintain my desktop computer, adjusted the tweeks of the components, and understood the synergy between them.
I heard that he is passing through a delicate medical situation. I wish him my best vibes to get over whatever condition he is in. Human being like him are what society needs to understand the meaning of "greater good" for being empathetic to others and helping others.
Thank you Mate!!
If possible, an equivalent video on the Ryzen 7 CPUs would be very interesting and helpful in making them run more efficiently and cooler.
And/or Ryzen 5
yes please
Look up ECO mode and how to set up PBO values for your CPU if you're using and X-version Ryzen. ECO mode will reduce your temps at the expense of speed, but if you're just gaming it's not noticeable. Personally, i'm okay with an avg of 1-2 fps loss to go down to 83 degrees under load vs 90 by default, but most of the time the fps loss is not even there either, so it's jst a win-win.
That one's not on the mobo manufacturers, but on AMD. If you want to be extra thorough, you can try undervolting along with it, but ECO mode itself will do just fine. If you're not on an X-ver Ryzen, you don't need to do anything, but you can always try undervolting.
All of my amd is running cool, that is why I would not own an intel junk
There's not such an issue on AMD CPUs (AM4 at least) you can play with the curve optimizer and PBO to get quite good gains in both performance and temperatures.
Until a company feels it in their wallet, they won't change it.
Totally agree it’s all about consumer power but we need to work together for it to work.
So general consensus is to deregulate, but the solution is to make them feel it in their wallet where they also get a bunch of money through B2B deals anyway…. Got it
This might work with game developers but it doesn’t really work in the main space where these companies have diverse portfolios.
Oh you’re not buying their motherboards? Just focus more on servers or something.
@@methane1027 20 years from now, it will be boutique in the west to buy a custom built salvage motherboard. The only thing stopping that will be anti-repair laws
Funny, that same perspective addresses 3rd wave Feminism too
@@poopingwhilestanding5801 possibly, but I beg you and everyone else to remain on Jay's topic of dumb mobo issues.
Oh my God... For the past 2 YEARS I have had issues with CPU temps under extremely minimal load. I have changed thermal paste, fans, AIOs and even bought a new CPU with no luck. After literally disabling one setting as suggested I am finally at 38c with 30% CPU usage. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU
I'm going to assume its an asus board because its a 99.999999% chance that it is. Until they learn their lesson and it affects their bottom line they won't stop, it allows them to "win" benchmarks at the cost of your hardware. They know that the majority of "reputable" reviewers now only do default settings so they choose to do this on purpose.
Yeah a great JayZ video, have not seen this before on YT.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk mine is a Asus! Never buy Asus again! They pretend to have good postsale support keep replying to my emails but with no real help!
You went about solving the issue ass backwards with only one datapoint
Noob
Thanks for this Jay! I've been looking into getting either a 13600k or a 14600k (depending on sales), but the conversation around each chip overheating has made me wary. Happy to hear there's a way to bring temperatures down a fair bit (of course undervolting would help as well)
Great vids, always a joy to watch. I'm sure plenty benefited fully from it I also did but to an extent because I own an MSI laptop and their Bios is not exactly a walk in the park it's so so confusing, I really wish you guys will get the chance to expand it into the laptop segment too in terms of technical stuff like this vid where someone like me and I'm sure they're plenty because I looked and couldn't find anything in that regard when it comes to tuning an MSI laptop with an unlocked CPU variant through the Bios.
To clarify, no motherboard should set default limits _higher_ than the CPU manufacturer recommends. If you have an A320 board and want to drop a 3800x in it, the board should absolutely enforce its own lower limits even if that means gimping the CPU. Better that than cooking itself.
mmm no
Tell that to ASUS and their 7950 X3D debacle.
@@grgspunkI remember dealing with that before upgrading to an MSI board last year, I stabilized the ASUS setup by giving a somewhat negative power curve to the 7950X3D.
well X20 AMD boards should NOT be overclocking anyway?? (except XMP/EXPO) aka A320/420/520/620 boards (AM4 or AM5) best chip for an AX20 boards should be an X3D hands down unless ur on a budget ? but even then! id still try my damnedness to get an X3D chip if gaming !! if your content creator or need more than u shouldnt eve be getting an A serires or eveb BX50 board in the first place! althouigh a B350/450/550/ (AM5) B650/B650E) should be minimum for that!
my minimum boards were the X570/X570S but i feel AM5 boards are all downgrades. RT audio / 2.5Gb lan / and no post code display unless u pay over $400 which my X570S Aorus Master was only $289 NEW.... and had 1220 codec / 4x gen4 m.2 slots 2x x16 pci-e (or dual x8) = x4 (disabled if m.2 B or C is used(which should not happen) if i have all these slots/ports. they should all be able to be populated. im done buying downgrades....... ill buy again once motherboard's actually offer more for the $300 price high end boards used to be........
Yes, I agree that loading optimize defaults in the bios should be 100% safe and reliable. No overclock no auto adjusting.
but you're not describing "optimized" you're describing "fail-safe". 100% safe and reliable with no overlocking should be the default, but not the optimized default.
@@brenthauer8365Yet, there's a huge difference in between 'unstable' and 'destroys your hardware' which 'optimized' does not account for, neither in tradtition nor in meaning, because it has been there in the BIOS for decades and never killed your hardware before, and the word 'optimized' doesn't include 'destructive'. 'Optimized' never even came with overclocking in the traditional sense, it at best decreased RAM timings and set some little optons like AHCI instead of IDE and disabled energy saving features and whatever - but nothing even remotely endangering the integrity if your hardware.
And the most important thing about this is to acknowledge, that the vendors are doing this intentionally. They want their boards to be just the little bit faster than the others' boards in reviews, thus making unsafe settings the default. It would be very easy to simply add other settings like 'Dangerous' or 'Overclocked Defaults' to any modern UEFI setup, but they obviously just do not *WANT* to do that. They actually are misleading customers by lulling them into a false sense of security. Customers who pay many hundread or even a thousand bucks for a mainboard - for then being treated like idiots as a reward.
@@brenthauer8365 The problem is most, if not all, modern motherboards only give the option for "optimised" defaults. In this case being the only option they should be 100% safe and reliable without any auto overclocking regardless of whether they use the "optimised" nomenclature. But for argument's sake let's say a motherboard has both a "fail safe" and "optimised" option I would still argue that optimised should still be 100% safe and reliable with any automatic overclocking being kept well within the limits that both the CPU enforce and what the motherboard is capable of, it certainly should not be disabling any limits nor should it be trying to push those limits to the extreme.
@@brenthauer8365The point being made is that the optimized defaults IS the default setting out of the box, so these optimized settings are the ones you get when you buy your motherboard and first use it and also whenever you update your bios. The only way to not have these optimized settings is by physically changing bios settings. These should not be the default settings. That is the point of this video.
I had a 10th gen ROG board fresh out of the box on 10th gen brick it self during the initial setup because it was pushing “unstable” “”stock”” options.
Ironically I was building 2 systems and the other would crash **every time** installing windows.
Turned it off and fixed the issue.
Sent them both back. Eff that noise. They haven’t learned anything.
This is amazing. Just built a new system with a 14900k and was baffled by the issue you described exactly. I'm not experienced with overclocking and voltages etc so I was a bit stumped as to why I was maxing out my temps then as soon as I took off the load dropped to like 30 degrees. Thanks so much for the vid, the timing was superb!
This videos was extremely informative, i always have struggled with BIOS and what to change or update. But after this I applied some your tips and my performance has increased and my PC is not running as hot. Thanks Jay!
Undervolting is the new overclocking. How far can you push it down?
The answer is 1/12th
about 350.
new? been doing it since 2007 :)
@@DC-te1gwgenuinely curious. Why?
@@SinisterSkyler Because you can get the same performance with less voltage, its like the reverse of overclocking, you just keep pushing it down until it crashes, then you bump it up a little and let it run at that voltage. This can keep your temps down by roughly 10-20 C just with undervolting alone.
Just built a 14900k. Posted Aida64 stress tests to "it humor and memes" and had peeps concerned abour my 100c spikes. After your vid, went back to the BIOS and sure than shit had the defaults on. Enabled the Enforce limits and voila didn't go over 87 on a silent fan profile and 82 on max fan. Posted the results to Twitter and gave yiu a tag. Thanks a million for this vid.
what mobo? and did you change anything specific? also just built a 14900k first thing i did was cinebench and almost instantly go to 100c
@@zackregansounds ASUS Z790 wifi ii. Lian Li Trin Galah II 360. Contact frame.
I bought a Alienware r16 with the 4090 and 14900, it’s running hot too on demanding games it constantly is at 87-92. Smh I’m new to pc gaming. Scared to mess with settings like this
@@donjuan8124 87-92 on a PreBuilt I think is pretty good. Not sure what kind of overhead you have with the Dell Bios, but Prebuilts are know for spectacular air flow. I avg 87ish now OC'd to 6.2. Fan settings are on quite profile as well. So I'm happy with it.
@@jasonrichard5752 so I shouldn’t be worried about the temps like that? I called support and was told anything under 100 is good to go
JAY YOU ABSOLUTE GUN!
I built a PC about 4 years ago and used auto for most settings, I would often hit 100C and actually overheat even though I used a liquid cooling AIO.
I changed some settings in line with this video, and I'm now no longer going above 55C or experiencing fans maxing out RPM for load
Great stuff!
Same as you, my 13600K going from 100°C to 55°C in gaming...
Which settings boys?
Any performance decrease doing this?
Clutch. Thanks for this video and for showing us how to fix. I’m amazed how there are so many people wanting to be UA-camrs and make content on fixing thing but don’t explain these types of things. This is why I follow your channel. Thank you again.
100%, this needs to change! I've been building for 20 years and I've never had so many out of the box issues with these BIOS settings. Please stop!
Asus is the worst for this... I had a sandybridge 2500k that got slowly died as the bios kept trying to overclock it... it's their buggy AI Tuner crap. Which is still at it on the 7950X with AM5, I've had to set an artifical voltage ceiling of 1.3 volts.
Hi! can you help me? I do that thing from the video but my is still the same settings... I need update the BIOS?
True 😎
To be honest, Asus is doing intel the favour here. U got more performance than what it should(intel power limit). Of course at a cost of power consumption. Which lead to other problem like fan noise, depending on ur cooling budget.
If all intel unlocked processors got benched by limit enforced.. its multi-core performance will get affected by quite a margin. And will look less desirable. Already at tough competition with amd..
The only 2 things that will cause companies to stick to default limits are 1) Everyone refusing to buy boards that ignore default limits, or (more realistically) 2) Intel telling them to knock it off or they don't get to make LGA whatever boards anymore.
Thank you for this helpful video!!!
I just built a new PC last week with the Asus Rog Strix Z790-e Wifi II and used the Asus Load Optimized Defaults. When I ran Cinebench my CPU was running at 99C!!!
I then changed Asus MultiCore Enhancement = Disabled- Inforce All Limits and now the max CPU Temp is 72C.
Thank for keeping my new build from frying itself!!!
nice im about to do the same
This is my exact same CPU and Mobo brand and this video has been super helpful. Thanks Jay!
I literally finished building my pc 2days ago, this makes SO MUCH SENSE!!! Honestly thank you!!
THIS!!! This was me! I spent MONIES on making my first custom water loop, and I thought i had done it completely wrong, because every cinabench run i was getting thermal throttled... I could not figure out what i did wrong so tweak i did... and Boom its under control... pulling 350W at max settings on my 13900K at 96C 6GHZ all cores... so yeah my water loop works... it was the no power limit causing the issue.
Could not have fixed it without Jayz help.
Thank you Buddy!
I need your help. After disabling Asus MultiCore Enhancements, I only get like 5200 or 5300mhz on p cores when running cinebench. Also the current cpu core/cache current limit is 500 Ampere. According to Jason it should be 360 amps. What am I missing here?
You need a bigger or second radiator and/or a better water block. My AMD 3900x water-cooled stays in 50s to mid 60s C peak under full load. I have a custom loop with a good water block but an insane radiator - the Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 560mm. My case actually supports two of them but I only use one for my CPU and 3080Ti. That radiator is rated for over 900 watts of cooling. I am currently planning to upgrade to AMDs Ryzen 9950X or 9950X3D when they come out and at least know that my water cooling loop which I designed and built with my 3900X upgrade will be sufficient for many more years to come. I've always believed in overbuilding on important aspects like cooling and power capacity. It makes for a much more stable experience.
I’m blown away that you would try to guild a custom loop without knowing the basics. I’m glad he was able to help you but this is not rocket science.
@@Fendera1you could start by asking the question in an intelligible manner. No one can see what CPU you have, what cooler, what motherboard, etc. no one will take you seriously if you can’t be bothered to provide that info.
@@KDarkmoon1 A 3900X is nowhere near as hot as a 13900K.
Perhaps some of the best advice coming from JayZ in a long time; was under the impression that the meaning of loading optimized defaults was the same as before, basically all the way to back in the day .. but it was great to make us aware of this, thanks.
This helped me too, auto overclock on by default in Asus bios. Temps down 25c and performance hit 5 fps. Huge help with this video. Keep up the great work Jay!
what setting you change bro ?
You should definitely show the AMD side. Although we're a small group of people, we would like to be careful too!
only thing that might be an issue with amd is the X3D chips
Oh we're definitely not small and we also had a fair share of issues like too much soc voltage frying our cpu.😂
Once you know how to undervolt it’s so easy.
@@mangatom192 That wasn't an AMD problem. MB problem (ASUS)
There is something called the amd bulge. I think it was on the asus mobos but not 100% sure.
Thank you for this, I just done this with mine and I see a big difference in temps.
Hey Jay, Love the videos, keep it up man! do you by chance have a video going over optimized bios settings(that wont cook our pc obviously) something that could be used universally between the different motherboard/bios's
Goat, always fixing my/or a friend's issue as I keep watching ritually
I don't leave comments to often, but WOW. I have been having this issue with my i9-14900k and had no idea how to fix it. Repasted and replaced my cooler multiple times. This simple setting on my ASUS MB solved it right away. Max temps now are around 85C during a Cinebench Multi Core test. !!!THANK YOU!!!
what scores are you getting? just out of curiosity
did u disable ASUS Multicore Enhancement and what else?
Some manufacturers are worse than others for high voltages, Asus may be guilty.
Did you change any other settings or only the settings in this video because i have the same specs as you and i followed the steps in this video but still getting 100c. Replaced the cooler and still same issue
@@fady12210 same as you. Any luck ?
This video just help me out so much. For almost a year I've been fighting the temps on my 15 13600k and I just thought it was cooler/fan. After doing some of the suggested changes mention in this video my temps are FINALLY normal. No more 99c cpu @ 20% usage. Thank you and Keep up the good work guys!
Hey thanks a lot for the information and honestly I did noticed a huge improvement with just disabling that feature 👍🏼
Thank you as always for checking into details a lot. Helps us all with these dang tricky acting ASUS boards, been having issues with mine since I got it months ago and this setting was what helped my 13900k so so much stability wise even with the 360 AIO.
Thank you for releasing this video. I bought an R9 7950x like 8 months ago with a 360 aio... and it idles at like 60c... and doing anything that takes cpu skyrockets to 100c. Tech yes city mentioned undervolting because of how insane they are cranking the settings to compete. I dropped my voltage from like 1.2-1.4 (don't remember stock voltage) to 1.000 and it dropped to 35ish c idle the second I click the apply button. I have an msi motherboard. This just confirms I need to adjust my bios. I did absolutely nothing in my bios except maybe cranking my ram up, but I don't remember. Time to learn bios and fix it....
just set your cpu to 105w eco mode.
Just built a new i9 14900kf system, with an Asus motherboard, 360 AIO, was having terrible temps, changing this setting really help. Really appreciate your videos.
I have a i9-14900k, I applied what you did this video, I went from 100C to 65C max load and 29-32C idle
Thanks Jay!
Yea….i have to do this myself.
Make sure to undervolt it by 0.05
It will lower Temps and increase performance
Finally someone standout to highlight the problem. I was looking for that for a long time thanks…
Excellent video. I think one of the reasons this is still happening in 2024 is because it is simply not being talked about enough. So many thanks to Jay for doing so. Why having your CPU constantly above limits and thermal throttling to protect itself as a standard default setting is beyond me. The point being made is that it is fine to have this setting available should you wish to use it, but it should never be the bios default setting. For those concerned with performance (gaming), I would encourage you to actually test this. You will probably be surprised by the results.
Pretty spot on and important. Went on a MSI Z690 from a non K 12600 on a decent aircooler to a 13600k and loaded "defaults" and at a sudden temps skyrocketed under stress. Couldn't for my bare @ss figure out what was going on but knew the new 13600k had some higher TDP so went and installed a decent 240 AIO instead. Well, the temps was still very high but not throttling but the TDP still "out of league". Then I started catch the info about "undervoltage your rig" etc and one of the most important settings on MSI was the "Lite load" settings that currently were at "12" I finely read the voltages and saw they were way too high! Played with the "Lite Load" and ended up with set it to "4" istead. WOW what a difference! Now I finally have the normal TDP 0f 180'ish watts and normal temps and still doing speeds as on the box and still rock stable! Shame on yours motherboards manufacturers litterally cooking the CPUs for marginal gains!
The latest MSI bios is a lot better about this, the BIOS my Z790 came with was pulling 220w on Cinebench23 with a 13600K but with the latest it's around 180w. I used the CPU lite load setting to lower the voltage a bit and now it's 150w and all cores can run in full turbo full time. I can get it down to 120w but I bumped the CPU lite load setting it back up by two increments to be sure of stability.
Jay, please let it be a 45 minute video. I could listen to you vent all day long. Thank you for all you do!
Thanks capt two cents! Exactly my issues with temps and whatever else these default settings were doing are getting sorted now to how they should be
I also find it insane that because of these settings I have had multiple customers come in with Asus motherboards and a 12900K or 14900K and the Cpu was unstable and they couldn't figure out why. It would crash with strange errors, one of them even claiming it was a memory error, when the only issue was that the CPU couldn't handle the power that was being forced into it and so it was crashing.
i went out to shop for 14900K with z790 last week, and i met another customer who made the same build 4 days ago. he came back complaining his i9 going 99-100 deg in 5 seconds, and wont come down even at low loads. according to him, his super expensive AIO was at fault, so he just asked the store manage to replace his cooler, lol. I told him, its not the case, just undervolt the cpu and adjust till you achieve max freq and low temps.
conclusion: he still went home with a different cooler 😅🤣
@@deepak_nigwal same thing happened to me i got a z790v board with a 12900k i got a water aio cooler. Took it to microcenter and they installed my cooler wrong they.i was pissed but they fixed it and it worked but i be download msi afterburner everything fine but my temp says 120° cpu idol .i turned off my pc checked in BIOS and my temp was a cool 50° . But on msi days it was cooking steaks but my boss said my cpu is fine ????
@@deepak_nigwalthe mistake they did was they didn't adjust the aio coolee bracket so I'm thinking that was the problem bcuz I'll play cyberpunk and my pc runs fine for hours and after i check my bios ... Under load was 60° ....
what did u change then?
In some cases I just had to turn off MultiCore Enhancement. In others I actually had to underclock the CPU by a 200 to 300 MHz and then it became completely stable. I had a computer in the shop last week that was throwing memory errors when launching games and there was no issue with the memory at all. The only issue is that the CPU couldn't run stable at the speeds it was binned for in certain circumstances. So dropping the core by 300MHz, basically running it as a non-K CPU was all that was needed to make it 100% stable. Before it was around 80% stable. @@byFraze
literally just went through this. Ran Cinebench with my 13600k w Artic Freezer II 240mm, was hitting 100*C almost instantly. I bought a contact frame, installed it and had the same result. Did some googlin, and found that my MSI mobo has a setting called CPU lite load, which was set to auto by default. Changed it to setting 10 (from 12) and am now maxing out at 90*C in Cinebench with more consistent clocks, and score within margin of error of previous. I could probably tweak some more stuff to improve it even more but it doesn't really matter for the day to day stuff, and it does idle/run games cooler now with the contact frame.
U can easily go to 5 , and still have same perf and about 10c less .
Wow, thank you Jay, this was super helpful coming from somone who lives in S texas and reguarly games in a room that can sit at 80 degrees F, in the summer, better performance all around.
@JayzTwoCents thank you so much for posting this video. I've been having horrible crashes, including some blue screens, with my newly built homebrew system. It's been having random crashes when under heavy load (usually cyberpunk or bg3), and hardware diagnostics couldn't find anything wrong. I disabled this setting, and I now haven't had a crash in two days. You are a lifesaver!
I wish this video had come like 2 days before. I literally spent a couple days off trying to figure the Asus settings on my wife’s 13700k.
I did the same thing this week.
Couple of days.😮 Of course all of us are nerds and like to make experiments too..
So glad i have the 7800X3D... Just set the curve on -20 and works perfect.
Ya man. I went in to Ryzen Master and just clicked on auto overlocking and just let it do its thing for my 7600. Came back with a -30 for me.
What does -20 mean? I run a stock 7800x3d
I clicked on the video thinking AMD board partners had gone back on the fixes from the first batch of melting am5 socket cpus
@@Grillhandle they're talking about the PBO curve
i set it to -30 on my 5800x3d, insane how much the temps dropped after that. still need to wait and see if it's stable but so far so good. it also performs even better now.
im glad you made this video. i just submitted my 2nd RMA request for a CPU cause my asus motherboard cooked my cpu a 2nd time. and when i reached out to asus they told me its just bad luck with my cpu and i got 2 faulty ones. and closed my ticket! hope this shines some light on the issue and they fix it!
Just tried it and sure enough, I saw similar temp drops. From high 80s/low 90s to low/mid 70s. Thanks!
Thank you! This is such an important thing to get out there. I feel so bad for people building their dream rig and then feeling like THEY did something wrong because of high temps due to motherboard vendor default OC profiles.
High temps aren't a problem on current gen. CPUs are now designed to turbo until they have to reduce clock in order to stay under TJmax.
This is a good thing, you get more out of your CPU doing so, and your cooler is more effective when your CPU is hot (deltaT and all that).
The old school users who are used to trying to manually keep temps under a certain level are having a hard time adapting to this idea.
@@jttech44 overvolting makes the cpu heat up faster and throttles it more.
Years ago I had a Intel I7 7700k and a MSI Mpower platinum z270 motherboard. Running the bios factory settings gave me a idle temp of 80c. Found out that the core voltage was set to 1.4v out of the box. I dropped it down to like 1.2 and idle temps went to like 30c. No real performance changes as i dont over clock or play around to much with it, MSI released a Bios update that changed the default to 1.3 as clearly they identifed this problem. I still run it as 1.2 and have no issues. This has been issues for years.
Thank u for sharing this I must check my own now 😅
I did the same. I have the i7 7700k and a gigabyte Motherboard. My idle temperature was about 80. I decreased my vcore voltage to 1.1 and solved the problem.
Thanks Jay it helped a lot, Keep on doing what you do!
MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 + 13600K , I originally only enabled XMP and assumed the CPU side would be fine with defaults but long story short MSI had the "CPU Lite Load" setting on mode 12 which is higher than Intel's voltage spec which lines up with Mode 9, I lowered it until the CPU became unstable which was mode 2 and raised it up to Mode 4 to be safe, my temps no longer hit 100C in Cinebench (around 86C) and gaming rarely sees above 72C (AK620 cooler). Also worth noting after a recent bios update MSI finally made Mode 9 the default as well.
Please where specific did you find this setting?
I found it. Is this lite load that thing what was Jay talking about?
Over 4,000 watts?!?!?! That motherboard may as well just come with a fire extinguisher and a map to your circuit breaker panel
The power supply would probably blow up before your motherboard
There will be no over nine thousand power level and no 1.21 jiggawhats. It just appears to be a 12-bit value (not uncommon in ADCs and PWMs) which takes values from 0 to 4095, the latter value effectively meaning that the motherboard shouldn't be bothered by what your cooler is capable of. The same goes for the current limit of 511A. It's 2^9-1. These capablities may be used by very special, very small systems with small VRMs and heatsinks (think embedded, industrial, battery powered, aerospace, military), but are of no concern on regular mobos with 8 or more phases of voltage converter which is actually obscenely huge. I run my system with both settings maxed out for more than two years and it still didn't blow out the magic smoke.
We need to make AIOs with one of those ceiling sprinklers build in.
A CPU has impedance, it's impossible to reach those numbers.
It doesn't use 4000w. That just means unlimited. For 13900s it's about 300-350, for 14900 pushing 400 depending on how fucked the defaults mobo is.
This happened with my 10700 on an MSI board. For the longest time I thought I had something thermally wrong. Chased it for a while with no results, then one day read about how motherboard defaults are ridiculous and, just like in this video, the motherboard defaults were nowhere NEAR the normal Intel limits for the CPU. Switched to Intel's base recommended defaults for the CPU and it instantly solved the thermal issues.
Even aside from thermals, not only does it confuse consumers and waste time/money chasing problems not caused by the consumer- it wastes a ton of extra energy too - so thermals and energy skyrocket with extremely diminishing returns. It's so frustrating that this has become standard practice.
This but 10700k and two ASUS/ROG boards.
One crashed during UEFI update time because unsafe thermal/power limits. The other crashed every time installing windows.
The CPUs overclocked just fine tho.
Returned both boards and went with a different brand.
Hard crash during UEFI update = dead board.
BIOS Flashback thingy didn’t do jack.
Hi @neonvoid666 , actually just got through building a new pc with an MSI MPG Z790 Edge Wifi. So how would I go about setting the mother board to these settings you did. 13700k, 4070ti, LS720 SE Digital aio cooler. I would really like to do the Intel defaults. Cheers.
Can you share what i need to chamge i have a i9 13900kf? But i dont know what to change
What settings did you change?
amazing, my pc shop was trying to figure this out for ages and this video just cured my PC. Thank you so much!
Thank you. I've been struggling with this for months on an ASUS motherboard with an i5 13400 processor. Just turning on the computer and booting into bios would cause the cpu to overheat and lock up. I was able to work around it by setting the bios to "enhanced battery" mode which would keep the cpu just below 100 degrees which would allow me to boot into windows and keep the cpu between 85-95 degrees.
Now with the bios change you mentioned, the CPU idles at about 55 degrees. That's a huge improvement.
Thanks Jay, my pc randomly shuts off while gaming, and it's brand new, so im going to try this seeting you just showed, thanks again
Sounds like anti-overheat tripped.
I loaded my BIOS back to default and did not fix the issue, but I was able to find a fix within Windows in power management and it resolved the issue with the CPU.
What setting was that?
@@Chris256 You will need to go into control panel, then select change plan options. There's an option for change advance power setting, from there you will select (Processor power Management) If Maximum processor state is at 100 switch to 99. Issue will be resolved.
@@Chris256For some 13 & 14 gen you may need to change it to 50%.
@@pjm7482 It will turn off the turbo boost doing that. Its a shame that we even have to do it bc some motherboards don't even let u change anything. And we missing out on performance bc we can't have turbo boost on without cooking up or cpu. I guess u could make your own powerplan to somewhat get out a little more performance without it hitting over 1.4 volt .
This video saved my life !!!. I just got 13700F and when i play BFV my cpu was hiting 100 degrees. I even decided to buy some AIO and other stuffs but when i disabled the ASUS Performence Enhacment 3.0 my max temp is lowered to 70 degrees. Thank you so much!
The settings you gave for the ASRock motherboard are really going to help me as I have an Intel Core i9 14900 (no special variants, just the standard one) ready for a build in the near future.
If you're using a MSI motherboard, the power limits are auto set depending on what cooler you selected in the bios. If you select water cooled, it sets the max watt to 4095 like shown in the video. Change it to box fan even if you use an aio if you're having temp issues.
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What about intel turbo boost? Disabling does help or not?
And what options i should disable @ msi bios, thank you
@@ugurbaytar Turbo boost kapatırsan performans düşer.
@@HuCuRuS hocam kapatmadan da boşta bile 100 derece zaten öyle olunca da performans düşüyor artık sıvı soğutmada var bir problem diye düşünmeye başladım
Exactly my problem ..... I got Asus maximus hero x MB with delided 8700k on custom water loop and its hitting 100c and I was thinking i got bad cpu ..... started to look for replacement cpu and stumbled today on this video. Soon as I get home from work I will test the setting.
Please share your findings!
Yes, please update. I also have this same board !
I went through TWO i9 13900ks and TWO i9 14900ks until I found your fixes. Originally purchased in 2022 but have had intermittent issues with applications crashing. Thank you!
100% agree, Jay. This issue happened to me with my MSI x570 Godlike motherboard back in 2020. After re-doing/wasting thermal paste I finally figured out that it was the stupid "Game Boost" being auto-enabled by default in the BIOS.
To further this, go to Global Core SVID Voltage. Offset Mode Sign to Negative , Additional Turbo Mode to Auto and Offset Voltage to 0.10000. It will help to properly under volt your processor without hitting performance.
But if they don’t artificially inflate their “defaults” as faster than the competition, how can they claim their products are “better”? And if they don’t reduce the lifespan of their products, how would they make more sells if a system takes 3-5 times longer to fail?
Thank you so much Jay, omg I thought I'd just be stuck with a heater every time i game. Especially with summer coming up, i didn't think I'd be able to use my PC all that much because last year it's just unbearably hot in my room and Dont want to freeze the rest of the house
damn dude, you saved me some major problems down the line! I record and produce music at home, and I used to run my pc slow for stability, I dont want a crash in the middle of a recording. I just recently replaced my motherboard cause the old one was having some issues with disappearing hard drives, and my thunderbolt connection for my recording device kept dropping. I was thinking either power supply, or hoopty motherboard. I wasn't having any other problems, it seemed like I would experience some in conjunction with the aforementioned shtuff. I'm not really a computer guy, I really wouldn't know. So, I just looked for what seemed to me to be a decent board, and and a few features I wanted; thunderbolt, ddr5 as it was what I already had, and a decent number of m.2 slots. It was working nice! So, since I do play some video games, I decided to play with some overclocking for the first time. I made some decent decisions apparently, and thought I was all good. This video randomly came on my headphones while I was grocery shopping, and I listened carefully as I perused the aisles. Later, at home in front of the computer I set up cinebench and hardware monitor, most of the numbers looked groovy until I ran the loop, and then like a third of the p cores went straight to 100. Dude, you could cook on that lol I'm gonna finish the video, and fix my sh!t, thank you so much, you saved my comp from catching fire. THANK YOU
Make sure to double check your ASUS MOBO settings. Because even though I set limits it was still running at 511, 4095 and 4095.
Correct. I set "enforce limits" and even so, I needed to set express limits on the voltage. I have an Asus Tuf z790 - Wifi Plus.
I have this exact problem with a B660 and 13700K. I had to workaround to get 1.38v, whereas itself gave 1.61 (almost melting socket voltages) and after some bios updates, 1,48v.
The problem is that many options from a Z chipset motherboard, aren''t there in B660. The mobo is Asus TUF Gaming.
So... Never buy B chipset paired with unlocked i7 and above
same here, Asus Prime B760-PLUS with a 13700K and its been a nightmare. love the vid, but I cant change those settings.
@@mattw.3724 Hey , I changed motherboard cos 1.385v was too much not needed voltage. I had to keep a certain bios to do that, latest bios had whatever I could possibly do , disabled. So I got stuck. I got my 13700k with 1.32v now , more stable (I can get down to 1.30 I think ). There is no way around a b660 or 760 mobo , it's Intel's way unfortunately
Adding to my previous comment and after reading so many of your comments a pattern is emerging in respect to bricked systems. There seems to be many instances of bricked systems and although there is no guarantee that they are all due to this, many could be. I wish to add that I also experienced a bricked 13th gen system after only a few months, with no overclocking other than a stable xmp, and of course this default setting. Needless to say my new 14th gen system has this setting disabled. This needs to be talked about more.
Thank you @JayzTwoCents, i am running low temps now on my i9 14900k.
If you have an MSI motherboard change Lite Load from 12 (default) to 9, which is the Intel recommended setting. It makes a big difference in temps and scores.
Mine was defaulted to 9 already
Yep, ended up with could set it as low as 4 w/o issues. WAY better temps!
Mine is also 9 but with 12700k, in previous bios I should set it to Mode 1 to be like I was when I first bought the motherboard... Now my normal is 7. You should just take a fast CPU bench with cpuz and check your score. Lower mode after till you see less score and then up it by 1 (or maybe 2 to be sure that no speed penalty exist)
@@haies09 That’s interesting. Mine was 12 auto. I just did a search and found reports of some people saying their auto is 12 and some where they say their auto is 9. I guess just always check to make sure.
@@CindersTV being I don’t hit my base clock speeds and ain’t thermal throttling, maybe I can increase it to 12?
My spouse is using my previous rig, with an Asus ROG Maximus VII Gene, a 4790k and a 980 Ti (had a 1080 but it ded). The Asus BIOS wants to run its adaptive boost, but honestly it cooks the CPU. Yes, it has been re-seated and re-pasted. It's gotten so bad it will no longer post with XMP enabled, when it used to run fine. Turning adaptive boost and multicore enhancement off is the only way that rig is still safe for gaming. I know that's older than the start time you mentioned, but it feels so related.
by re-pasted, do you mean de-lidded and the die re-pasted? don't forget the 4790k has paste as the TIM, not solder, so by now it probably needs replacing with something extremely viscous like thermalright TFX (the paste that's so viscous you have to warm it up so it even spreads. make sure to spread and have the sides covered too), or a honeywell PTM7950 pad if it's thick enough (the phase-changing cooling "pad" that GPUs are using on-die now instead of paste. it's only beaten by liquid metal but is much safer, but still pretty expensive. usually 0.3mm thick)
edit: misspelled viscous
@@glebglubNo, just reapplying TIM. I've never delidded a CPU (my first computer had a lidless AMD CPU but that doesn't count).
@@Efreeti might be worth looking into then, just like re-pasting an old GPU that still has life in it. there's minimal risk with a de-lidder tool (as opposed to the vice or razor blade method which killed mine from digging into the substrate by accident), but whether it's worth it to you both money and time-wise, that's not my call to make
had this problem myself took my pc back to the shop thought it was thermal paste or something not very tech savvy. THankyou have tried this now
The crazy power limit is something I noticed immediately and quickly set the watt limit to 253. My 13900k stays at 67°C on cinebench r23. I also found gaming was noticably better with the 253 watt limit(as in movement/feel). Running on a MSI Tomahawk z790.
years ago and i am talking 25+ years ago they used to have load default settings and load optimized default settings. and the load default settings was the factory settings for that cpu. and the load optimized default settings was over clocked settings for that cpu based on motherboard manufacture settings for that cpu. they should be still doing this and i do not know why they stopped doing load default settings
There's no default settings based on the CPU now? Then what the hell are they based on? This is scary.
So I went and checked and sure enough this is how my 13700k on a Asus board was set. I just assumed the default wasn't a oc. Dropped my temps in a cine run almost 10c lol
Undervolt by .4 and it will drop even further and run faster as it won’t thermal throttle
@@timothygibney159It didnt drop the clocks at all it sat 5.3 the whole run at 87c. Im fine with it how it is but i always wondered why it ran as hot as it did and this seems to have fixed it. Before it would shoot right up to around 95 96 and sit there i dont remember the scores i got last time it was awhile ago when i ran one but the test run i did after the change was still a little over 29k.
@@Premier024 mine I have to to prevent thermal throttle. It only has 95sp rating. I can hit 38k on cinebench now after the undervolt since it would down clock previously
@@timothygibney159 That's crazy 38k on the 13700k. Tbh I'm perfectly happy with it just getting what's it's supposed to with better temps I'm GPU limited almost all of the time at 4k as it is but the less the fans have to ramp the better.
@@Premier024 oh it’s a 13900k 😂. Close to the 13700k but shoot most other 13900k even with an overvolt can do 42k and 6.1 p core on at least 2 cores. I have 57 on 2 and that is it . I assume a good 13700k could hit 35k on cinebench easily if you adjust the volts and get at least 1 core at 6 gjz or 2 pcores at 5.9. I only light game old mmos and use this for virtual machines as a more cores are better for my use
Thanks for making this video Jay. My 14900k was hitting 100c on multiple cores whilst gaming and benchmarking on "default" settings. Even though having a high-end 360MM AIO.. Once I disabled that setting I'm getting a stable 81-85c and the performance loss is only 2.1%.. To think for all these months i've been torturing that CPU for an extra 2% performance...
OMG You saved my PC. I could cry, I have had this issue for years and even gave up with my pc for 3 years because of this issue. You found the fix, thank you so much!
We went from Optimized Default being a known good that would be a first step in troubleshooting hardware, to it being the first problem we need to troubleshoot.
i just built 14900k setup as well with 360mm AIO and running cinebench would thermal throttle my pc. and get bsod after reaching more than 100c after a while. also certain games would bring up my cpu temp up to 90s with my fans running at almost max. drove me nuts for a while...
after watching this vid. i disabled that option on BIOS and no games will make CPU run more than 74c. amazing! my pc is now quiet and and i dont even see any performance loss on games.
Thanks Jay for this vid. i dont know why i never subscribed to your channel until now 😅
I watch your videos all the time. I came to your channel today to specifically look for information on this. I purchased a 14900k and I was dealing with the same teno spikes you had mentioned. Thank you this helped alot.
Thank you. Same happened with asus tuf z790 pro + 14900k. Throttling 100C and freezing test in cinebench. Peak power draw was 357 w. Limit fixed all issues. I was shoked that default settings are not fail safe
Congratulations on reaching 4M
Thanks for this, just dropped my temps 35.7c by changing that, now the wife is telling me it’s to cold in my room and to turn off my portable a/c. 😂
Awesome! Thanks for this video. I am a noob to building and was sure I had assembled something wrong. I had the exact issue. Now all seems well. A tip of the hat to you sir, thank you.
No joke I just helped someone on a discord I'm on because of this vid. They were having issues with a specific workload causing crashes and they didn't understand why, and turns out they just built new with a 14900K! Well default BIOS settings had everything cranked as you showed. Thank you, Jay. This was a huge help for them.
nice to see this is starting to get picked up by places. i went through a replacement asus z790 mobo, replaced a 13900k because i thought it was bad since new mobo didnt fix, experienced same bullshit with the 14900k that replaced it, all on "default settings" not realizing these assholes were just flat out unlocking wattage and amperage
on MSI boards what would i Disable or enable to AVOID High Temps? TY for anyone Answering 👍
So holy shit wow!! I am running a hot chip 5900X and I was getting really bad performance and with a 4070 super I should have no problem but my games would keep stuttering and so I have been trying a few different settings and running time spy as a reference point. After turning of PBO and Turbo in the bios my chip was running 20c cooler and not up at the 74c with it on. Not only that but I got the best time spy score that I have gotten out of this build! I am so glad I found this vid. Keep up the good work man
Thank you for your explanation jayz this is really help a lot !! It's crazy motherboard manufacture push CPU beyond the limits, i know is good for performance but for casual people like me who don't know much about this stuff it thought is just normal but is not, CPU brand should be need to cooperate with every manufacture motherboard brand to give the default settings for CPU itself so is not just came out from the box and shocked with ridiculous temps !! It would be nice if there is 2 option in BIOS which is option 1 is from CPU default settings and another option is from motherboard itself.
You'll need to update your video on what to do after building your PC because you suggest a letting bios opitimize multicore enhancement.
i don't understand, are the showed tips, e.g. "Gigabyte: Tweaker--> cpi upgrade: Default" your recommended settings or the settings that cook our parts? if they are the bad ones, which one should we chose?
I don't know how to pin a comment, but this one needs to be seen by Jay. speculate the video poster is the one who has that control. Confusing as he goes so fast.
Update: i downloaded cinebench and checked the temperatures in HWMonitor. The settings in Jays Video (e.g. for Gigabyte: Default & Auto/ enabled) instantely brought up the temperature to 100° C when i staeted cinebench. It didn't even take 10 seconds. So i guess the settings shown in the video are the bad ones, but i have no idea what to change, since in the gigabyte bios, the only other option apart from Cpu Upgrade: Default is "gamer mode" or "turbo" - which i honestly don't want to try out, since my flat is not flame proof.
@@zsedz 🤣
pretty sure you need to set turbo power limits to Intel POR or else Enabled + your own limits
The gigabyte manual says Auto is for intel defaults, but i think its incorrect and is actually gigabyte defaults and they edited the video based on that manual
@@ray_bromanook i will try this as soon as i get home, thank you very much for your help
Jay great video. You mentioned this doesn't happen much on AMD but I've got evidence of the opposite. I've been having serious issues for 3 years with my AMD CPU/ASUS mobo combo. RMA'ed my 3900x after a year and a half of constant rebooting issues after replacing almost everything else in the system. I got a 5900x to replace it in the meantime. 6 months later, my 5900x is doing the same thing. Just became aware of the voltage issues on the 7800X3D with ASUS boards, and so I had a look in my BIOS.
ASUS was running my 5900X at 1.47V VCore. Only thing I changed in BIOS up to this point was enabling DOCP for my RAM. Insane voltage. Almost certainly what's killing my CPU.
This video is actually right on time for me. I recently copped a pretty beefy rig off Newegg at a decent price off clearance (MSI Z60 Edge; 13900KF), but my stress temps were always at 100c. Plus, the case has a front intake AIO which is pushing all of that heat right onto my 4090. Just this week I learned about undervolting, and that has helped the temps (88c max). In hindsight, I should've just did a custom build, since I'm now researching better cases and AIOs.
Your CPU is still running too hot at 88 Marty!
Because proprietary stuff. Why share money or care about the consumer as long as you get yours? Greed and money ruin everything.
Thats the whole world today unfortunately
if money ruins everything you can give all of yours away.
Except I don't have any.
@@soccerguy2433I stand with blockbuster
@@Dave7heRaveIt’s that way now because are taught only to care about materialism
The "extreme tweaker" mode is actually meant to liquify all of the copper in the motherboard so you can collect it and go sell it for some more meth
I heard that wasn’t true by a lot of people
This fixed my issue! Thank you so much!
Thank you for this vid. I was literally just trying to figure out this issue with my 14900k on an asus board.