ASUS... Why are you the way that you are?!
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Well... ASUS is at it again... now that Intel has had to get involved with Motherboard manufacturers killing CPUs by not following their spec requirements for "out of box" settings, ASUS apparently still cant read a F*CKING chart...
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Great video Jay! ASUS really needs calling out on this BIOS. SUPER important people do NOT adjust the IccMax amperage upwards from 280A limit IF they've loaded "Intel Baseline Profile" on ASUS' latest BIOS. That profile sets the SVID (loadline) to a setting called "Intel's Fail Safe". This is a misleading ASUS name, as it is neither from Intel, nor safe. "Intel's Fail Safe" SVID can (and this varies by CPU and motherboard model) put up to 1.67v Vcore into a 14900KS! Above 1.5v should only be for short durations. Please always keep ASUS' "SVID" setting at AUTO, unless your CPU is already unstable with all other settings and still needs more loadline to be stable. "AUTO" SVID + 400A/320W/320W results in a safe Vcore and is OK to use.
This is so confusing >> Can we just get a Simple "Set this to this" For people like me that are a little confused on all this >>> Having just replaced A 13900kf Barely after a year of Having it to a 14900kf... Now Im worried this is going to Happen again .. Can we just get a Set it to this and go >> now im wondering if i should set everything To the above post and not the settings that i followed from intel specs they recent released
As someone who won't hide the truth and has and continues to use a few Asus products for many, many years, it really is depressing to see Asus on the path it is these days....
pls if i may ask then , what profile should we enable on the 14900k , just like themanchildshow asked, i am confused here , if i want to use the auto svid what profile should i run then ?
@@TheManChildShow I'm also with a 14900KF and if you ever find out what should we enable in bios and what values should we use, please remember me cause I'm stressed out too.
@danthevanman294 old habits die hard. Mashing the del key was a way of life in the old days.
I won't buy ASUS again due to issues with my current ASUS motherboard and their dodgy warranty support.
After the GN video, I intend to avoid Asus as much as possible.
Hard truth, I havent touched ASUS hardware since the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with that abyssmally bad, loud and failure prone south bridge fan. Yes south bridge. ASUS has been on my shit list for some time.
The question is... which manufacturer of motherboards and video cards would you say isn't dodgy? I can point at instances of wrongly refused RMAs across the board. Gigabyte was doing this a few years ago. MSI was scalping their own rma video cards on eBay. I'm not trying to beat you down, just genuinely asking who do you think is honoring rma the right way and also sells a quality product?
Still have my z170 WS still great, SIGH!
Any one have a good alternative for my next build? Going AMD 9000 when it releases.
@@brianm.595 True
This is absolutely the least of ASUS' problems. Their borderline criminal behavior regarding warranties (see Gamer's Nexus and Louis Rossman's separate videos on the topic) are more than enough for me to realize this is a company that stopped caring about it's customers a LONG time ago, and it's just sad.
Just like nVidia... only on a larger scale. overpriced, under supported. Everything sold is fire and forget. once you take it out of the box, you're on your own.
Trouble is, the behavior is not peculiar to just Asus. Louis Rossman advocates about the increasing disregard for consumer rights being exhibited across the spectrum of industries. It's as if consumer protection philosophy and laws have ceased to exist.
@@AKStovall nvidia is definitely the one on a larger scale. the whole server market, strangling the card makers. the almost own the gaming laptop market.
@@GLHerzberg I mean the pressures of profit & growth driven businesses always supercede those of superior product design.. capitalism and all
@@AKStovall Yeah It's the reason I jumped to AMD from Intel a while ago, for the price there are just better products. Too bad about Asus they were a great company way back when, I guess it's time for me to spend my money elsewhere. I do wish EVGA still made video cards though, but even they got tired of Nvidia's BS.
Actually this video saved my machine. I've had my machine for a year (13900KF), and for the past few months, I keep getting random crashes in games, and even random Blue-screens. (Hell divers II would crash within 5 minutes). Changing the settings on my MB made my system stable again. If the problems come back, at least I know my CPU *IS* damaged and what to replace. Thank you ever so much!
hey man which settings did you change?
@@uri_wz At the time of my above post, putting in the recommended settings on the limiting the power from the video. These days with the BIOS updates, such things are handled more automatically. However, since the time I've written my original message, the 13900KF died, bought a 14900KS, RMAed the 13900KF and gave it to a friend. The 14900 was still when intel was figuring out the microcode, so it got damaged, RMAed that one. My current one is stable at full speed. What I WILL say worked for making the processors stable on newer BIOSes is lowering the performance core mulitpliers. So instead of auto, put 55 or 50 (yes, it's greyed out, but you can change it anyway). Do it on the page where it allows you to change the multiplier for each specific performance core. Update it for each of the cores. This worked like a charm.
I will say, if your CPU is running unstable, just RMA it. It does take about a 4-6 weeks for the whole process but they do allow cross shipping, and they were pretty good about all of that. Basically, I was running my first 14900KS at 55 (because it was unstable at full speed), and it was stable for a very long time (months). Right before the BIOS finally getting fixed with microcode 0x12B, it started to become unstable at 55, so I put it to 54. Even with the BIOS update, I couldn't boot into windows at full speed (ie. AUTO), so I did the RMA I mentioned above. At a certain point you realize it is only going to get worse, and might as well do the RMA while they are still willing to.
What did you fix? I have a 14900k and I keep getting random crashes (power error) as well as USB disconnections/reconnections (internal headers)
I have the last BIOS ( Ver 1666) and I even disabled XMP, and it still crashes. I'm about to get a new motherboard because of this headache.
@@cliffweatherbee6914 Longer term, I went through RMA and got a new chip. But shorter term, what fixed it for me was lowering the Performance Core multipliers. For a KS, stock, that is 59/62 (62 being on two cores). Lower it to 50/52 initially to see if that does the job. If it does, then slowly increase it until it doesn't and then go one back down for good measure. You basically go into the AI tweaker in the BIOS on the ASUS board, and look for the part to individually change the multipliers. It will be defaultly set to AUTO and greyed out, so you think you can't change them, but you can. Just put the cursor on it and start typing the numbers. The two with the stars (*) on it, is the one to set higher than the others. It made my system stable. Hopefully it will do the same for you. In the long run however, if you have a defective chip (which it sounds like you do), it's best to RMA it, but at least you'll have a stable system while you wait for the RMA process.
Thank you for making this video! Hearing this I wish I hadn't gone for an ASUS motherboard when I built the latest computer. Core i9 12900. I had SO many issues with the system being "overclocked by default" and all I wanted was to run EVERYTHING *stock* and within SAFE limits. Building a machine like the one I built is too much money to overclock and mess around with.
Had SEVERAL e-mails go back and forth between myself an ASUS before I managed to figure out how to set up the BIOS to run what at least feels like "not overclocked". All I want is for the computer to run reliably for a very long time and not die prematurely because of pushing this or that component too hard.....
U mean intel turbo boost issue u said i9 12900 it’s not overclockable in the way a k series is
I wish I didn't go ASUS also, had a huge headache getting my i5-13600k to run stable when I put this build together. Meanwhile MSI has just 1 setting to change, and boom you got intel's recommended stock values. Should have went with MSI this time, definitely will next time.
Overclocking within safe limits is not a problem at all, you'll never run into issues because of it unless you go outside of those safe limits.
Asus "In Search of Incredible" = "In Search of Your Wallets"
🤣
"In Search of Incredible Bullshit" more like
More like "In Search of Idiots who will only buy based on branding"
“In search of profits.”
so your wallets are incredible
Been buying EVGA and ASUS the past 20 years. First EVGA ditches Nvidia, and now ASUS going haywire with everything they do. It's sad to see how thing are these days.
i hear you, i had to go full asus rog after evga went and 2nd all strix system im wishing i hadnt. I wish Bequiet! made cards and mobos tbvh.
Got to find new more trust worthy options. Sadly that’s the way that business as a consumer works nowadays.
same EVGA brand once forget to put VRM pads and burn some gpus lol .. what a brand
And EK is going nuts...
I wanna believe its a bigger issue and everything is turning to crap lol. Movies,Games,computers manufacturers, hell all electronic manufacturers do shady things these days.
I'm so grateful with the platform that you hold and how you hold companies accountable for their actions. Especially love when you call them out on their bullshit. Keep fighting for the working man.
im glad to see that even Jay hits the del key nonstop during restart 😂
🤣
Wait, there's another way?
@@glitched-be8036 on 'modern' system you can hold it... I mash it like Jay because I'm old school and don't think of it.
@@glitched-be8036 Yes. Holding Del key down, but who wants to do that?
@@jkl9984 or u can time it perfectly.
Hey Jay, you need to do a final update video on this. ASUS just released another BIOS update for my ROG STRIX Z790-E that looks like it fixed everything you mentioned in this video!
From Update Notes:
1. Introduce the ""Performance Preferences"" with options for Intel Default Settings (Performance/Extreme) and ASUS Advanced OC Profile.
2. Redefine the factory defaults based on Intel’s new ""Intel Default Settings"" for various CPU SKUs.
3. Change F5 from ""Load Optimized Defaults"" to ""Reset to Defaults"".
4. Add warnings when users switch from the defaults to other settings.
Thanks for all the great videos that are informative and entertaining.
This is the same for my 14400F with my B760M-A WIFI D4. The clock speeds were stuck at x41 but instantly went to x48 after the BIOS update and a few (easy) tweeks. Before the update, the CPU was locked at a setting I couldn't change. The clock frequency was always too low. Now the CPU beforms 96% of highest with the stock cooler.
Ya I just went back to the update from this video the new bios update fuxked everything up
What makes this worse is not everyone is tech savvy and will likely not go into the bios to make these changes and cook their cpu. Intel's settings should be automatically default so that nobody has problems.
Oh no no no. That makes sense. See, we don't make sense here.
Don't buy a K series. It's that simple, if yoh aren't going to tune anything you are wasting money with the K.
@@antoniohagopian213Wrong.
To be honest, anyone building a PC is probably tech-savvy to some extent. However, there are also pre-built PCs, so the problems persists.
I'm pretty tech. I'm so glad I just stuck with 13500 instead of going for one of these, because its *insane* what you need to know. ( and not on asus).
This stuff should just be for mad overclockers, not normal use.
But its purely intels fault by trying to eke out performance by effectively 'controlled' overclocking. Well that and mobo companies trying to be top of charts.
A company's reputation for their customer service is the key. For years I heard that ASUS's has been going downhill so I avoided them when making my latest system. Then there's all this info about them killing CPUs and being dodgy with warranties. EK I heard their customer service was bad so I avoided them when I water-cooled my system and several months later all that stuff came out.
TL;DR: Avoid companies with a bad reputation for their customer service.
If they can't stand by their product and fix things when they break it then there's something rotten under the surface.
Yeah same, been building PCs with Asus motherboards for decades now, with all this info coming out and their not seeming to improve their customer service for a few years now, I'm definitely jumping ship to a more reputable company when I build my next rig until (if) Asus customer service gets its act together.
Asus has been on the flash not feature set for a while now, back when the asus rog strix 1080ti came out. It had mediocre performance and a high price tag. For 50 less you could get the ftw3 from Evga at the time. They have kept the same model. Add a bunch of stuff you won’t use, and charge a premium. Remember the 2k motherboard, that had a water block built in? You could have built an entire computer for that price, was it actually useful? Not really, the board was just a mashup of everything to try and make the price seem reasonable. It even had enough mosfets to use 2520 amps, at 1v with max amperage, that would be 2520
Watts. For an intel motherboard that will be obsolete every time they change sockets which is every 2 releases. You feasibly couldn’t find a chip that would require that much power. Why add it? Makes it seem more high end. That’s all they do now days, make it seem high end when it legit has no practical uses.
I love when Jay gets this animated, it means something is legitimately not right. Even a noob can look at a chart and set things up from it, and ASUS is far from a noob. I guess the free range dog analogy is on point.
Great video, installed the latest version and tought "default should be intel preset", after the installation my system was extremly unstable. Had to install an older version to fix it. Now I installed the new version again and set everything to intel default (that button is so easy to overlook) and my system is as stable as it could be.
HW: 12900k, z690 gaming f, 2x32gb 6000mhz corsair dominator (couldn't run stable with asus settings on their newest bios version)
Thank you so much Jay. I recently built a new computer and decided to go with an Intel/Asus motherboard combo. Never again. I was shocked by your video and immediately went and checked mine's BIOS. Same scenario on a i7 14700kf cpu with their boards. Settings were almost the exact same as your video is.
If it aint broken, keep making changes until it is.
HAHA
-Asus probably
Asus: in search of the irreversible
Hardware unboxed showed where Intel said these boards were in spec in the past and have now changed their tune since it is causing problems for Intel.
Yup. The bottom line is at the core of all this is Inrel being incompetent clowns and purposely letting these boards do this so they can inch higher on some people's charts.
Yup, this ones on intel.
This problem has been blown up too much IMHO. On AMD's side there was a similar issue making CPUs pop and then cause intense heat melting coolers like GN had shown back then. I guess even the possibility of a house fire is not a big deal anymore when it's AMD. Favoritism stinks.
@@kyoudaiken No it hasn't. People are buying CPUs and they're CRASHING during gaming. Crashing during cinebench etc.
Running at the out of the box settings and their systems aren't stable. And this isn't some extremely rare occurrence either.
Intel trying to stay ahead nothing more
Jay, I live about 45 minutes from their headquarters, do you need me to hold a sign that says, "FIX YOUR S**T!"
@dairylife8094 maybe I should
They will fix it when everyone stop buying.
throwing a sticks to tanks.
tbh all buyers need to stop going for asus just because it says 'gamers' on it.
I have built computers for 14 years now and believe me when I say this, their 'low budget' stuff is more worthy the price than their top tier.
for high end pieces there are other brands
can you do a video that would be so funny
@@hR-gw3re I have a gigabyte build, I have no issues with that I do with it. Even though my build is 5 years old now.
Gigabyte X570 Aurorus Extreme
Ryzen 3900x
Gigabyte RTX 2080 Super
32gb trident z 3600
1tb Gigabyte Aurorus NVMe drive
Love my build, never was able to play Cyber Punk 2077 all to well during the time it was released. I will never go back to Asus again, expensive products for marginal gains, now with a side of terrible customer service and warranty policies.
I respect the research and knowledge that you put forth in your videos.
Whenever I purchase something, I always try to read the reviews and pay particular attention to customer service comments. Why is it that the majority of custom computer builders are still using ASUS Boards? I sent a message to one of them asking why they are still promoting ASUS Boards in lieu of all of the negative comments on UA-cam. Most custom builders do not offer any options other than ASUS. I just wanted to let you know that I never received a reply. Yet most of the builders offer very good warranties. I have had ASUS boards in the past and Have had no problems. However, many recent trends have shown that the products do not necessarily improve as they progress.
I use since day 1 on my 13900k back Jan-2023 @ 5.4mhz PL1 125w/PL2 253w (Undervolted offset -0.50v) and set TjMax 90c getting Cb23= 38237
teach me
Because you know what you are doing and actually set (with the undervolt) safer limits/settings. Asus here (and other vendors btw) were just brute forcing these settings so that it worked on nearly all if not all CPU's... in the short term for a good portion of them.
@@italian316 i don't need you to teach me anymore, i learned how to undervolt (i am using 0.08 negative offset) but i understand pl1 and pl2 wattage limits now as well! mine is set the same 125/253
Running a 13900kf here, I bumped my amps to 400, my under load temps dropped. Asus Z790 Hero, my last Asus product. Thanks Jay!!!
U mean watts pulling 400 amps at home on one circuit is impossible lol
@@fluffehgamer4712 400 watts can be 400V with 1A or 1V with 400A (V x A = W) and what is the voltage of a cpu ? 1.xV knowing that it's not 1:1 that the PCH memory etc..all draw their own current and there's a lot of it on a high end pc this might also be counting 1 ms spikes that barely registers but that would trip a limiter
@@fredEVOIX ok? But those amps would be the psu making them or not the same amps as in the breaker Moses have 100/200amp service and most circuits are 15 amps some 30 but then some shaker multiple recepticals then also most hous within isn’t rated at 400 amp draw from the outlet
@@fluffehgamer4712 Electricity 101. Check it again. Amperage on breakers are meant for rated/service voltage.
nope, should be Intel limits set from when shipped , then have an option to opt out of intel stock.
The ROG tax should get their customers the best recommended settings and Excellent RMA service
Although I entirely agree that the situation is a mess, and I have commented on various occasions on this topic on Jay's earlier videos, on this particular item I think there has been some confusion.
The Intel statement that Jay is referring to is Intel's second one, a preliminary statement having been made in early April I believe. This second detailed statement was released on the 7th or 8th of May, long after Asus introduced the Intel Baseline Profile on z790 boards (Asus released the revised bios with the Intel Baseline Profile around the 19th April).
Asus is therefore yet to react to this new statement. The rumours are that Intel has given motherboard manufacturers until the end of May to address this issue. I would expect new bios from Asus and others over the next two weeks.
Update 31st May: As expected, Asus has now released a new bios with the correct defaults as mandated by Intel (including pressing F5 no longer loading optimized defaults), and the various options are now available as per Intel recommendations that was shown on the chart.
To be fair, this mess is entirely on Intel.
They greenlit the initial numbers and then came with the recommendations when they noticed that their CPU's can't handle them.
Nice, TY :) More of this. I would love a complete Asus Bios settings video :)
Me in my cheap ASSRock motherboard: "Haha, look at these fools."
ASRock's supposed to be relatively good... Or so I hear anyway.
@@arnox4554 I switched from Asus with both mobo and gpu.
@@arnox4554 They used to be the cheap low quality dollar store brand, but now they're becoming the best one.
I reckon it's a more premium product and maybe I'm just lucky or don't have enough experience with brands, but I can't complain at all about my ASRock Taichi X670E.
Never felt like money was more well spent in a motherboard the same way I never felt money was more well spent in a case than when I moved from an old-ass 2000s style $30 tower case to an O11D Evo.
my second hand 60$ asrock B450 pro4 going strong 🗿
Haven't been buying Asus for almost 8 years now. Every year they do something that justifies my decision. They used to be good, but the people in charge are really ruining the company.
same happened with corsair, clothing brands like polo ralph lauren and many other brands. First they made good quality and reasonable priced products. Then they got more popular and the quality started going down and prices up.
with that we are getting Asus having better average selling price relative to units sold! (only the fans would stand with their money in Asus's products)
They were never good, they may have had a period where you didn't have problems, but I promise you, they were never good. The problem is that all the DIY parts vendors are garbage, there is no good choice.
are there any alternate brands you can suggest? I'm in a lookout for parts and my research for parts can only do so much...
@@jepsabs1216 Only for very specific parts. Sapphire for AMD GPUs has a good rep, as does silverstone for PSUs, with EVGA effectively gone it left a giant hole if you care about quality and good support.
This is way too many steps!
This should be automatic.
That's why we made machines!
exactly, the motherboard should detect what CPU is installed and automatically default to CPU manufactures baseline limits.
Asus would probably want to go back to the days of "please select your graphics card from the list"
@@trevorhaddox6884 That would still be better than this.
You're being too kind to ASUS. The BIOS should be running all parts within spec by _default._ The fact that any user input is required to force ASUS to run the Intel CPUs within spec is absurd.
But Intel isn't blameless in this either. They were happy to look the other way because the crazy power limits were the only way they could reasonably compete with AMD's recent offerings. Gotta crack 40k on CB R23 with those flagship i9s during review season! Well, at least they _were_ happy until the chip failures and RMAs started rolling in.
its a unlocked cpu no? thats why people buy unlocked cpu isnt it?
i could be wrong but i thought thats what it meant... the big fuss should be intel focused.. jay is jumping on the damn band wagon like he always does smh
@@officialteamroc Yea but you always want to start at a good known baseline before going above the spec, it makes it a lot easier to debug and prevents mistakes from happening out of your control.
@officialteamroc Does my statement that 'The BIOS should be running all parts within spec by _default'_ conflict with the fact that unlocked CPUs _can_ be configured to run beyond spec?
Issue is that Intel had almost no proper spec before that. They only recommended most of the stuff, unlike AMD which enforces limits.
And that ASUS BIOS was very likely made before Intel released their new sheet.
Thanks, Jay! I have an ASUS board where I recently updated the BIOS due to boot problems. That fixed the boot problems but I didn't even realize these new limit games were added. I have the new settings in place now.
Jay you've done 3 videos showing this problem on Asus motherboards! Can we see just how screwed the others are as well?
Im curently sitting in a room with 5 pc's with ASUS motherboards and an ROG Ally. I've used ASUS since I started building PC's. At this point I don't plan on ever looking at them again. Keep up the good work!
It was all fine while Intel wanted the big performance numbers, now it's costing them, the limits suddenly apply!
Oh definitely, they're all guilty.
They are worried as the next architecture is rumoured to be much more sensitive to this sort of thing and on a entire new platform.
Customers wanted big number too so they could brag how much better Intel was over AMD.
It reminds me of something that the joker said in the dark Knight:
They’ll use you because they need you and when they don’t they cast you out, like a leper.
Almost like VW programming their ECU to have false readouts for emissions. 🤷♂️ Everything done in the dark comes to light eventually!
Hi Jay thanks to you I built my first pc a few years ago and followed your video on how to build start to finish thank you so much man
Just wanted to send a thank you Jay! New build had my CPU sitting at 80 C idle, it was bad enough that I thought maybe my AIO wasn’t mounted properly. After confirming the block was fine I applied these changes, CPU is sitting at HALF that temperature. Ridiculous that this isn’t OOTB config, really appreciate the walk through to uncook my CPU
That new line was in there in the 2202 BIOS from April 19. It's also in the description for the BIOS.
The update cripples the performance.
It's really sad because they have a great variety of products and I've used several that I've loved. But this.... Gotta be upper management with their heads up their butts always ruining good companies
Shareholders are the real upper management they don’t tell you about
@@MajinFajita Shareholders don't manage anything, they just expect to be paid.
@@-Devy-
And that is why, if you have a good thing going, don't sell stock. Keep any company you have private. Never mind the investment opportunities. The weight of having idiots tell you what to do when they know nothing is just too much.
i'm on the asus compalintboard following the chaos, cause i'm waiting for them to solve the sleep issues with all their boards on AM5.
the chaos is in every segment, it's not just upper managment.
if you don't talk about their favorite issue, they will downright ignore you, and atp, a good 10% of all comments are compalining about the sleep mode issues, and they only reply to ram timing BS.
no the thread is not OC related, it's their bios thread.
absolute nightmare and my last ASUS or ROG product.
and yes, AMD is partially to blame too.
absolut catastrophy of a lauch.
AMD can count themselfes lucky, that many PC gamers, are also tinkerers, but for me, as a 'i OC'd intels in the past', and not that deep, it's a freaking nightmare.
and intel is also just F'ing up.
can't escape the horror basiclly.
Sometimes actions speak louder than words though. Jay just built an Intel system with a ASUS motherboard for his personal gaming rig. I don’t think he would do that if they were inferior products.
Great video! You guys should make a video showing the difference between Intel & AMD Bios settings, maybe it's time to switch back to AMD.
"Updating your bios will invalidated your warranty"
- Asus to all x3d users
Wat? 🤣
A few months ago I built a new computer with a 14900K and an Asus motherboard. I didn't really experience stability issues at default settings, but I noticed it was thermal throttling consistently during stress tests, even with an AIO. Instead of manually tweaking everything, I just turned on the "limit to 90c" setting and I've left it there since. I have no idea if I should be worried about frying the CPU or not, and I just can't be bothered to delve into this in detail, so hopefully that's enough to keep it happy for some years.
Thanks for keeping highlighting this Jay. As you say, the board defaults should be sane so that users don’t have to mess about. I’m so confused on this now (and I work as a software engineer). @asus if you are listening, I’ve bought multiple high end motherboards (z690/z790) from you the last few years, you need to get your management, engineers and comms teams sorted out, and get this mess fixed properly, and quickly. It’s just not acceptable.
Republic of Goons
Republic of Gooning
@@tyler6602I like how "goon" lost it's meaning
Republic of t wats
@@tyler6602So that's why they don't get anything done. Can't break the streak 🗿.
Republic of Gooners?
Republic of Goombas
Reason for this naming? Goombas are the most generic mobs in Super Mario, hence why tagging RoG as Generic might ruin their brand image _even further_
Sincerely, a former RoG Simp
I have ASUS in my system but given the warranty issues and their sketchy warranty/RMA that Steve posted about im considering swapping it out.
It is an industry wide issue. That is why Steve said that he cannot recommend another company. This needs to be handled by the entire industry not just single companies.
I swore them off for my next build. Took 2 years to fight them about my monitor (almost a 800$ monitor) and still never technically fixed it. Me and my wife have ROG systems. Next systems will have none.
@@jokingtiger It is, but ASUS is the showrunner of bad RMA service and pushing things to the limits for no other reason other than because they can. Even Gigabyte has had a leg up on them in the past 4 years.
I wouldn't throw out a working part - just don't buy anything else from them.
@@arthurwintersight7868 Exactly, spending money when not needed is merely symbolic but ultimately financially foolish
Yeah Asus is all out of the good graces they earned over the years from me. Back in the XP days I had a core duo with a Asus board and it was rock solid. I still have my 6700k and asus pro board combo (gave it to my mom, still does everything she needs then some) and the strix gpu's I had were always stupid good with noise and temps... until the 30 series anyways.
Then my last build... X570 Strix board - Died just out of warranty after I moved from a 3700x to 5900x... ok no big ... one off problem Replaced it with a newer x570s Dark hero,... then like a year ago the LED bar on my Strix 3080 12gb had all the blue led's fail, turns out its a common issue (and FYI, the card is loud and hot by default, had to undervolt it to get it not to sound like a harrier jet, it's a far cry from the quiet 2070s strix I replaced).
Tried to RMA, short story was I was basically told the light bar is was considered cosmetic and not covered, they would need 8 weeks and they would send an estimate for repair... No thanks I bought a 2 pack of the LED bars off alliexpress for 20 bucks (canadian).... and spent an evening tearing the card apart and replacing the bar (they either did an impressive knockoff job, but my guess is that it's leftover direct factory sale judging from the stamping on the back).
Now if they made one change, had they put the cable connection slot for the rgb cable on facing out... I could have replaced it by just taking off the shroud, but no they mounted it so you have to unmount the entire cooler.... because F consumers that's why. The good news is after re pasting it with some NT-H1 left over from a low profile Noctua cooler I use in another pc the temps dropped a few degrees and it runs quieter.
Haven't looked at Asus products since.
I also had a lot of issue with DDR5, especially my CL28 5600 which wasnt listed on most boards for XMP profile.
Some people would say:
"More numbers mean better".
Somehow Asus CONTINUES to make it on the JayzTwoCents channel even after being fired
Because Jay is firing at them for their continued crap.
They must think all PR is good PR
Just because you’re done working with someone doesn’t mean you can’t trash them. 😂
Now Jay can hurt their rep and not promote it and ASUS can't do anything to stop him.
It's all about dem clicks!
Asus got Jay so mad he's turned into Frieza 🤣🤣
"Republic of Monkeys" LMFAO. That thumbnail is gold.
Geto, too
Thanks for bringing this to light I've been having issues with my build I even took it to a computer repair shop they told me it was my gpu after some more diagnosing I found out my cpu was crashing during high intensity games so I looked it up and sure enough this was the issue I changed the settings in my bios and now my cpu is working properly And not crashing however now I don't know if my cpu has sustained significant damage which sucks.
They have updated this now and fixed all the issues i believe please make a updtae on this jayz
"The User should never have to enter bios and manually change settings to get the default settings of their CPU"
One. Hundred Percent. This. The way companies are fleecing standard users AND power users AND enthusiasts is appalling, and this practice needs to end.
7:33 "SVID behaviour = Intel's'fail safe: Ok". No, it is not. Buildzoid told in a recent video that this is a stupid setting, which increases voltage to an absurd level therefore people should avoid to set it.
One of my first PCs was an Atlon advertized as having 1200Mhz, it always ran on 800Mhz. Years and 5 PC's later I found out to get the right speed you had to set a jumper. I never got the full performance, because nobody I talked to knew back then that there is a jumper. That ASUS stuff reminds me of this story.
Thanks for the video Jay, I'm about to switch to a 14th gen cpu myself as a BIOS update for x570 rather seriously degraded my cpu and my pch now runs almost 10c hotter. AMD AGESA V2 1.2.0.B in the newest rollout from gigabyte's uefi update cause strange voltage behavior to where I opened up HWinfo right after boot and saw my cpu @ 112C. idk how it didn't shutdown or thermal throttle but yeah, fun times.
Small side note. While intel is having these current issues, they do seem to have fewer uefi updates. I see this as less potential for irreversible hw damage. My boards dual bios saved me twice before but this time even after switching back to an old bios its too late as the damage has literally been done.
That BIOS message that says to follow intel guidelines setting is to disable MCE has been there since Z170, it's a generic message from way back then, it's not just recently added in.
Oh asus.
They should change the first "s" in their name to an "n".
intel's actual base line profile is 125w pl1 and 188w pl2. The 253w pl1 and pl2 is the extreme profile.
OMG, that one line at like 00:15 about the sense wires, it makes so much sense now xD I have had that problem on/off for like 6 months, it comes and goes, even without moving the PC, though it was my PSU getting bad, or not handling the load spikes, as that's normally when it happens, on opening or closing games, not while just under 100% static load
Asus "In search of Incredible" i guess there still finding for it
If you're running into instability at stock settings, run an all core "OC" at a safe voltage. It's unstable because it's boosting to these crazy 6 ghz single thread frequencies pushing 1.45v. The games will generally run at the all core frequency anyways with the out of the box settings, and if you use the baseline profile itll probably run lower than the all core because itll be hitting power limits
Where can we find the charts for the previous générations ? I just saw Asus upoloaded new bios on thei website even for the 10th-11th gen motherboards
Hi Jayz,i have this result of my PC with i14700k in Cinebench r23:
400A - 32386 points(AVG Temp. = 96C/AIO 360 cooling)253W
280A - 31964 points(AVG Temp. = 84C/AIO 360 cooling)230W
I Stay on 280A 🤓
Intel deserves a lot of the blame for this too. They issued new limits after they issued their “Baseline” numbers. They have been trying their best to be at the top of the performance charts; even if it burns out consumers’ CPUs.
Util this day nobody could bring any evidence that Intel endorsed what board partners have been doing. While on AMD's side, CPUs ACTUALLY burned out (VSoC on X3D) and could cause house fires, there nobody complained and the uproar was non existent. Favoritism stinks.
@@kyoudaikenIntel didn't vocally endorse it, but they also didn't provide clear guide lines (as say AMD indeed does), nor did they ever intervene to stop it. That's kinda the same as endorsing it, they really could've shut that down any time they wanted to.
On the AMD thing people did indeed complain. Did you miss the huge news cycle on every tech channel when those X3Ds popped? It just didn't go on for so long and didn't affect that many, because the issues was limited to some boards and resolved relatively quickly by AMD and the board manufactures. The CPUs got hit with too high a voltage - indeed outside of AMD's spec - for various reasons on some boards. IIRC those reasons were indeed that some boards didn't respect the actually clear guidelines that AMD has, which was compounded by some too high tolerance on voltage measurement implementations that weren't taken into consideration. They fixed it, RMA'd the broken CPUs and there was no more uproar to be had about it after that. There is no favoritism here.
@@kyoudaikenit's simple. You can't make an Intel motherboard with an Intel BIOS without Intel signing off on it
@@kyoudaiken Why would anyone (other then complete fanbois) complain about a fixed problem from AMD on a story about _current_ Intel problems? That just doesn't make sense.
@@ahettinger525 Intel's problem is fixed as well on Intel's side. What ASUS did now is not Intel's fault. I just was comparing these two issues and I don't understand why a potential fire hazard has been taken much more lightly by the whole PC enthusiast community than this problem Intel has now, where it can be fixed by setting the limits correctly and if needed RMA the CPU. If the performance really degrades, then it might be a case of bait and switch. But I am not a lawyer so I don't know what to do with this issue. In my case my chip runs well with 320W limit and 50mV undervolting. It holds the max clocks all day long. So I don't need to take action. Before this chip degrades, I'll have upgraded to something else anyway.
To be fair: you say in the video the BIOS you use is from April while Intel made their statement on May 8. I expect Asus will come out with a new BIOS for that. Intel even indirectly referred to that asus bios from april by saying "'Baseline Settings' aren't official Intel settings.". It was that April BIOS from Asus where they added so called "Baseline settings" which are from before the official Intel statement and for which Intel indicated they are not correct.
Correct.
Hey thanks for making us aware of stuff like this you just saved someone's CPU :D Great Stuff 👍
On another note, I want to build myself another PC this year and would like to know which Hardware Manufacturers are making the best Motherboards (BIOS and Feature Wise)
I absolutely agree with you; no end user should have to manually tweak the BIOS in order to get the performance that they paid for. However, I think every end user should educate themselves on how to tweak the BIOS themselves. I am, by no means, excusing motherboard manufacturers for not following the Intel spec, but at the same time, I think part of the problem is so many people use a computer every single day and have no concept as to how the machine actually works.
AMD Ryzen on AM5 is getting better and better 💯🤩
AMD should get pricing right in international markets. Outside the US, they seem to be overpriced vs a comparable Intel/NVIDIA for some reason. Incredible value for money, but only if you're so close to the MSRP.
just not ASUS or MSI, since they tend to nuke the 7xxxX3D SKUs, still even after the big bruhaha last year over it. ASRock and Gigabyte, in that order.
I just wish they had better memory controllers once they get that dialed in I might go AMD for good
@@Overclock23 this comment tells me, that you have ABSOLUTLY no idea, what you talk about...ryzen 7000 has absolutly no problem runing memory with 8000MT/s ( wich indicates, that there is no problem with the memory controler at all) the problem you are talking about is the infinity fabric wich cant reach 4000mhz so you have to change to a 1:2 ratio wich lets your IF run at 2000mhz and the ram at 4000mhz (8000MT/s) but you will loose performance, but it has nothing to do with the memory controler...
RAM does not matter much on X3D because of the 3D V cache@@Overclock23
Did I miss something? I thought Asus was fired...
Great video jay! Im not sure if im the only one that feels this way but years ago i used to think asus was never really cutting edge, but they were reliable and built competent products. Now it seems they are just terrible to be in business with. Both as a partner and a consumer. I guess im just happy my computer doesnt have any asus parts cuz this kind of shit gives me paranoia to the max
I haven't had an Intel CPU since the 9820X and ever since 2017 I have been using Gigabyte boards. I have been pretty happy with them. The last Asus I used was back around 2015 and it had some strange USB issues, so I decided to give GB a try and it seems like it was a good move. I don't overclock, I just want rock solid stability.
What a nightmare is ASUS.
ASUS needs to be renamed to AssUS
ASSUS, MICRO SHIT INTERNATIONAL, GIGASHYTE, BADROCK. fixed it for ya.
A SUS
Asoooos! Y U doooo dis?
Asus just released a new bios with the legit default settings for my z790 board. About damn time. I’m sure you and others’ attention to this directly caused that work to be done. Thank you.
Thank you for doing this fixed a few problems for me! Truly appreciate it
Where can we get the intel chart from? I have a 14700k and would like to make sure 8m running in spec
In the same boat, and no clue where to find it either
4:55 NO! it is from 7th gen! i7-78xx and i9-79xx CPUs have exactly the same power/ heating issue!
Anything past 4 cores has been an issue for intel. Why they said no one needs more than 4 cores. And everything has been downhill since more than 4 cores. They knew that they couldn't do anything beyond 4 cores well from the get go.
False
wrong my 9900k on an asrock z390 is still running fine and it's 6 years old now, ocing it degraded it slightly but all i had to do was bump 0.05 then 0.1v and i was good
12-13000 your cpu will start blue screening all the time and will start crashing in games and benchmarks after 4-6 months very different by that point it's already dead
Instead of spamming/holding a button to get into BIOS, you can make a desktop shortcut to automatically reboot into BIOS. It is helpful if overclocking CPU/RAM and need frequent access. Here's how: Create a shortcut with the following commands "shutdown /r /fw /t 1". The "1" is in how many seconds you want the command to execute, so adjust as desired.
Usually you can just press it once when you're keyboard lights up instead of spamming, the spamming comes from the fact there's usually not audio or visual indicator it will boot into the setup
Thank you for this video! I upgraded to 14600KF from a 11600KF yesterday. I have a Noctua U12A and did some Prime95 to see what kind of temps I got.. I pretty much instantly had multiple cores thermal throttling att 100C. Did some checking and my CPU was running at 230 watts when Intels boost wattage is 180(!)... Turned off Asus multi core enhancement and now CPU is stable at 80 degrees max load at Intel specs.
ALSO my motherboard is a B760-F which is advertised as not supporting overclocking.. =)
Hey man i just made build Using asus rog strix b760 and 13600k, should i change something in the bios ? i am freaking out reading all these comments... i just wana run it at stock stuff dont wana overclock anything
4:47 that same BIOS message has been there since Z170, I know because I saw this on my Z170 motherboard! This is just a generic message, not recently added in.
I wonder if Intel is going to face a class action lawsuit like AMD did over those 8 core chips that weren't really 8 core. I mean if you're paying for something and you're not getting it isn't that consumer fraud?
This is on the mobo manufacturers, not on Intel. Intel gives guidelines but mobo makers are the ones not following them.
@@estebangardila No, it's on intel, because the manufacturers were following intel's guidelines.
Except it wasn't intel doing this, so I doubt it.
@@honeybadger6275 They weren't, that's the whole point and why Intel even have to get involved here.
@@TheAssirraHardware unboxed proved that the motherboard vendors were following spec.
Intel has publicly said in the past that using an uncapped voltage on their cpus is in spec.
I will never buy Asus again, every single Asus product I have ever bought has had major issues. Bricked motherboards for seemingly no reason, faulty laptop displays and batteries, buggy keyboard software, the list goes on. It's a shame because from a performance standpoint, they've always been great, but performance doesn't matter if the reliability is nonexistent.
i dont believe in asus either anymore, i still have 2 of their products: an old MOBO and an older STRIX GPU (they luckily still work fine) and i had asus laptop which bricked itself after i put samsung SSD into it. you cant make this shit up, the SSD totaly burned the laptop MOBO and shows no signs of life anymore. thanks ASUS, now i gotta pay to get the board fixed by someone, so glad the laptop lasted not even a year. (i installed it correctly, it decided to die after like 2 months after i replaced the disk)
Intel is a mess right now. They are pushing their chips too far instead of improving the architecture.
Because they have not really improved their core architecture much since skylake. Meteor lake is the first big change and its successor comes to desktop on a new socket later this year and performance probably won't be much better than raptor lake refresh at best.
@@bionicgeekgrrl The new alder lake is a new architecture from scratch. It is fast and superior to AMD when it comes to lower thread count workloads even. The problem is Intel is stuck at 10nm while AMD is at 5nm and migrating to 3nm. Intel is overvolting the shit to make up and overclocking. My 13900k does not even meet the specs of 2 cores hitting 5.9hhz. They should have put 5.4ghz all core with 1 to 2 cores hitting 5.6 GHz. The next gen GPU will be only 5.5 GHz MAX. Just that .2 ghz difference can radically lower temperatures and voltage requirements. When you are on the edge things spike and break very fast.
@@timgibney5590 Plus Lunar Lake will supposedly drop hyper threading in the aim of dropping temps further. It will also add ARC graphics in place of the previous Xe versions currently shipping with Alder Lake derived chips.
I'd not say Alder Lake is superior to AMD, just faster with brute force and more cores even if some of those cores are E cores, it adds up, they both have their pros and cons though. With AMD if you were building now you know you have at least another generation of support to come with Zen5 and Zen5 x3D chips to come for AM5, and maybe Zen6 if that makes it out before the end of 2025. For Intel, you're looking at a whole new socket, chipset and DDR5 only when Lunar Lake launches later in the year, so buying Socket 1700 doesn't make much sense right now, especially buying the DDR4 version.
Also you cannot really compare TSMC and Intel nm ratings as it is all marketing these days. What one calls 5nm is no longer the actual size of the components. But the TSMC processes are much more advanced than anything Intel has gotten to work so far (getting things to work is why Meteor Lake is mobile only due to huge delays forcing Meteor Lake-S cancellation and a refresh of raptor lake).
@viperpit-lr2rp Yep. I love my supperior cb 23 and gaming scores over AMD
I just updated my Z790 Dark Hero with the 1302 and followed the instructions and with air BeQuiet Elite I got a 35K Cinebench R23 score, and my room is 80f. Well, 78f on one side of the room and the other side is 79f. Oh and max temp on the CPU was 94c and 5.1 - .2GHz all core dipping a few cores into the 5.0GHz
I wonder if there are Settings like this in ASUS AM4/AM5 boards, too.
For me, I'm kind of overwhelmed with all the BIOS settings. Is there any "you should change this and that" guide with optimal settings for Ryzen?
If I were Intel, now they have reached the point where I would forbid ASUS from manufacturing Intel compatible mainboards, and sue them for trademark damage
As much as ASUS is a garbage company, this is Intel's fault.
They're the geniuses that wouldn't enforce their spec, or even have a real spec.
Not long ago intel told them it's fine, push it to the moon. Intels fault.
@@albundy06
They didn't have a real spec, end of story.
This is really not on Asus in any way. Asus, or any manufacturer, literally can't make a Intel Board & Bios *without* intel signing off on the whole thing.
Only way this issue could've happened is if Intel either checked the specs and greenlit them *or* didn't check the specs at all, lied about it, and just waved them through.
Either way, that's Intels fault.
@@CedricBassman You're flat out wrong.
Intel is not AMD. Intel let the board makers do whatever they want and no signing off was required at all from Intel.
Intel is the route of the issue for allowing this insanity to begin with, but these board makers play a major part of it for their silly settings.
But again what you just said is just false. There was no Intel approval for bios settings or releases or anything. Board makers could do whatever they want.
@@albundy06
At the end of the Day intel still has to overlook the finished Product, it still has *their* Brand associated with it.
So *as i said* Intel either looked at the specs and found them good enough, which they clearly were not, or they didn't. Both cases are entirely on Intel because they *should* provide safe settings as defaults like AMD. But they don't, because they got a hard on for pushing their CPU's past what's reasonable.
Which makes it likely that Intel indeed waved the finished products through because of them big Numbers.
Anyway, AMD does it right by enforcing their settings. Intel is basically gambling with their Customers hardware by either encouraging these insane settings or simply ignoring them and saying "yeah do whatever."
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I dislike the MSI software, but I have zero complaints about my Z690 motherboard. All the settings made sense, there wasn't any coded or hidden functions. I'm not sure what Asus thinks they're doing.
I feel like there is some similar issue with AM5. I bought a ROG STRIX X670E-E with a Ryzen 9 7900X3D and I’ve been going crazy trying get decent performance. Almost any changes from default is unstable and BSOD
People are so quick to forget all the Motherboard debacle during the 7800x3d release. These Motherboards lately just stopped giving a fuck I think.
you call that debacle? some CPUs burned because of high SOC but AMD quickly responded, cut that option by releasing new AGESA version and all mobo vendors had to coply
because AMD has actual spec that vendors have to follow, not just recommendations like Intel
Also, _why would we talk about it here?_ This story isn't about AMD. AMD screws up again and we'll talk about AMD.
Bro you deciphered them years ago. Why the surprise now? Didn't you once say "no more asus"?
MSI and MSI Z790 Ace motherboard is the same headache! Have been fighting them before and after this Intel ordeal, and they won't provide any BIOS recommendations/input on issues, when you contact them.
I’m new to pc gaming and it’s videos like this that make me miss my PlayStation,
I'm running a 10th gen i9 system with a prime z490p motherboard. Everything has been fine with it, but I'm avoiding asus for my next upgrade.
This is way too confusing. My 13900KS and ASUS Maximus Z790 Extreme seems pretty stable with MCE Enabled and the CPU overclocked to around 6.1 GHz for a few cores, but that's using the AC LL = DC LL optimization method which drastically lowers the voltage and temps compared to the default MCE Enabled settings. Perhaps that's why I haven't had much issue so far, but I definitely do notice some awkward glitches and instabilities from time to time, even on a basic everyday app like Thunderbird.
8m40s:33,701 that’s not what you paid for. Compared to what? The old fry my chip bios? Let’s face it, all the benchmarks prior to April were really overclocked benchmarks that were synthetically inflated.
OMG the World is on fire Asus cost you 3000 points that you will never notice in use.
Hey jay, just letting you know it’s not just Intel asus is doing this too. I have an asus Crosshair VIII Formula with an 5900x. When setting PBO to auto or enabled it sets my PPT to 395, EDC to 200 and my TDC to 255
Yep, this goes back a ways. It took a LOT of tinkering to get 'correct' settings for my 9900KF in an Asus Prime Z390-A, went through loads of hoops to get it stable and performing acceptably with voltages and current draw that didn't turn it into a mini griddle top. For a while I had it at settings with some of Asus's default voltages which I'm pretty sure would have degraded the IMC had they been left for any length of time - in fact I got a warning that something was up when time to POST started taking longer, took the case cover off and saw the CPU and DRAM debug LED's ping-ponging half-a-dozen times before it went 'beep'.
1. There's a separate "Intel Baseline Profile" option at the top. 2. This BIOS was released before the Intel's statement with the blue table.
Correct.