Session 5: Islam in a secular democracy - Douglas Murray
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2016
- Douglas Murray founded the Centre for Social Cohesion in 2007, since integrated into the Henry Jackson Society - of which he is now Associate Director. Douglas is a journalist and a regular guest on current affairs programmes, including Question Time and The Daily Politics. Since 2012 he has been contributing editor of The Spectator.
Douglas's interests include free speech, history, multiculturalism, Islamism and geopolitics.
@DouglasKMurray | www.secularism.org.uk/
Thank God people like Douglas Murray are brave enough to articulate their concerns in a calm and clear way.
Yes, thanks god, right.
Douglas is very intelligent and understands the issues of our times so well.
He for sure doesn't understand islam. Typical hater. Taking the worst possible interpretation. Most muslims don't identify with it
It is astonishing how the myth os islamic "Benevolance" and peaceful intent persists, particularly among young middle class European women.
Whilst Islam persists, expect Islamists.
His talks are rational and critical... Just amazing👍.
douglas is the best of the best
Douglas, Keep spreading the truth...
200% support to you from 7 billion of us...Lovers of Truth.
You are a great hero yourself Douglas Murray.
What has he done? There is nothing about any heroic deeds on his Wikipedia page. Why oh why is he always on about Islam in such a negative way?
@@utv5490 speaking, knowing his life can be at risk for doing so
@@utv5490 Because islam affects us infidels in very NEGATIVE WAYS .
Read 'The Strange Death of Europe' It's brilliant.
Vigilance is the eternal price of liberty. Unfortunately, our liberal citizens are not long distance thinkers, unlike the undetectable Islamist army growing in undetectable echo chambers. Islam's single-minded dogma is faster at politicising its youth than our open-minded, highly ethical sciences. Why? Because freedom costs more than slavery. But right now we're losing to Islam because we're being out-designed by Islam. We are a lion leading a disorganised army of lions against a lion leading an army of sheep. They are mobilised.
As a liberal, couldn't agree more. My ideological compatriots should admit that simple truth that Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy, period.
A really superb speech Douglas another educational one.
My first comment is to say, WOW !!!!! in that the comments haven't been turned off . Much applause to this rariety on a subject as hot and relevant that it is .
" islam has nothing to do with islam " haha haha haha haha
I listened to this speech by Mr Murray immediately after that of Sadiq Khan, an imam, and the bishop of London who I was glad to see is now female, obviously Mervyn Stockwood has retired. However all religious denominations comprise only 44% of UK citizens. Unbelievers, including myself do account for 56%, I would have expected The National Secular Society to have invited also?
I'd like to see a female religious leader speak to these men in iran, iraq only reason that's allowed here is because Sharia law and stoning of women and gays isn't allowed here until there's more of them than us...doomed
Douglas is superb.
What does he do? Is he a sportsman or musician or something?? Or are you just on about the speeches he does for the 'UKIPS' and the 'Bovver Boys'?
Douglas u are so right we need to fight it
+National Secular Society Thank you for this! The Q&A is coming?
My sincere understanding of Islam is, according to both Muhammad and the Quran, there can be no separation of Islam and State ever! Muslims everywhere must be dedicated to imposing Sharia Law upon everyone throughout the world.
Am I wrong?
yeah, you are
@@alperk663 How so? I would really like you to tell me!? Think of this as a sincere teaching moment.
@@davidhunt313you are wrobg in so far that only the quran does not politicize islam, but the hadith but they are disputable. You are wrong because the sharia laws are directly attached to 7th century arab culture. In their nature they cannot simply be uprooted and implemented somewhere else. There are other reasons too
America and the Western oil companies did a deal with Saudi which then allowed them to promote wahabi philosophy within middle Eastern universities and this was covered up due to oil deals.
This is a left wing myth
@L of Egypt Use a dictionary. that is a left wing myth. Wahhabism isnt a distant strain. But had parallel movements across the ummah. Salafism, Qutbism etc. Egyptians with their Muslim Brotherhood should know
@L of Egypt Still you can't comprehend basic words. Why don't you stop doublethinking submission for peace?
@L of Egypt That's like saying not all Nazis are genocidal. Which is technically true but irrelevant. Propaganda preached by a bunch of protected far leftists be it roy or whoever is irrelevant. Outside of Saudi Arabia, In South Asia, In Aceh, In Sahel, Islam is just as barbaric and bigoted. Islam murdered 400 million in South Asia and practiced the world's biggest and most brutal slave trade since before Abdul Wahhab was born. American Collusion with Wahhabis is irrelevant even if true given the primary actors are still Muslims. While the American Left has a need to make everything about them to hate on their country, it doesn't change the fact that Wahhabis are Islamic first and foremost.
@L of Egypt Yeah like Islam was made up in 7th century
Britain has had Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Murray, America has had Noam Chumpsky.
where can that discusion with amis and hitchens on philo semitism be seen?
...just put "Hitchens Amis" into the UA-cam search bar and it will take you there!
+wenedsday i did watch that, but haven't seen douglas?
The ironic thing is that it is the West's aggressive push towards secularism has allowed Islam to become ascendant in the West. The biggest mistake the West made is move away from the Judeo Christian roots that built Western Civilisation in the first place. The philosophy, theology, moral tenets of Christianity built Western Institutions such as the legal system, the educational system of universal schooling and the university, the natural sciences, universal healthcare such as hospitals, charitable organisations and developed the concept of human dignity and individual rights based in the belief that we are all made in the image of God. The secularisation of the West has resulted in a moral vacumm where ambiguity reigns supreme. The modern secularist/liberasl wants to destroy Judeo-Christian institutions and moral tenets and often allies itself with an ideology such as islam as a counter balance to judeo christianity. Hence we see the secular liberal elitist/globalist implement policies that allow for the mass migration of Islamic immigrants into the West, while at the same time the moral fabric has become so degraded in the West that prostitution, pornography, abortion, euthanasia, sexual libertinism and even bestiality has become legalised. All this impacts on the degradation of the institution of marriage between a man and a woman and the family unit. As a result we see more secularists even argue that having children is too burdensome for the individual and the environment hence continued reduction of the birth rate in the West. This leaves open the door for other more aggressive ideologies such as Islam to fill the vacuunm. Secular liberals value them selves as individuals, the environment, even animals more than what builds civilisation which is a strong marriages, and the ability to self sacrifice for your family and children. Friedich Nietzche, no friend of Christianity knew full well the implications of removing Judeo-Christianity from society and knew the rivers of blood that would follow. As we saw in the 20th century, atheistic ideologies such as socialism/communism and national socialism led to the killing of more than 100 million people. Add to that the legalisation of abortion which has led to the killing of more than 60 million unborn babies in the west. I think this quote from Nietzche is quite instructive of what is happening in the secular West '"“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” -Friedich Nietzche
Today I had an interlude with some people who are profoundly ignorant of the facts. And are really good lefters.
no surprise there. Most leftists will choose emotion over facts any day!
Richard Dawkins made me an atheist.
If I get him the wool, will he make me one?
We know they're the enemy so why are they still here?
sir winston churchill quoted. islam to man is like rabies in dogs
Winston churchill is one worst leader history has seen
@@usc4405 your deluded
@@usc4405 we would not have won the war without him.
@usc4405 Are you a Nazi, perhaps?
It’s well known that Churchill is a very racist man.
London 2011 45% white british in 2021 37% only ( 10 years)
Good
@@elaiws4834 Good? Im cuban and visited London in 2023 for first time and I though I was in the middle east 😱 Paris is the same
@@hermes389white people have only one option now.Convert to Islam or become a minority in your own country.Its your choice.
Oh you mean like in Bangladesh?
Secularism is not a concept that Islamic countries are familiar with.
He has adopted Mark Steyn's mannerisms, especially when joke telling.
noticed that too - especially the timing
I have noticed that too... thought i was the only one. He must really like Mark!
Also I think Hitch made an impression on the (then) young man, terms/words like 'make a cat laugh' and 'cardistry' (which had me Googling) are part of his lexicon
What is the cause of jihadi terrorism? Theory 1: The teachings of Islam. Theory 2: Deep resentment and rage about real and perceived injustices to one's identity group. How can we determine which is the better explanation. Same methods as epidemiology: compare the predictions of the alternatives causal explanations with the observations. On Theory 1: we expect, (1) that the victims of terrorist violence would be selected according to relevant doctrine, (2) the perpetrators would be equally distributed in the Islamic world, (3) terrorists would be the most observant of the religion. On theory 2: we would expect: (1) the targets of terrorism would be primarily countries that have and/or currently engage in violence against Muslims, (2) the perpetrators would be from Muslim countries that are or have been the targets of external (Western) intervention (e.g.: wars, support for wars, support of Israel, supporting western friendly dictators etc) (3) the perpetrators would primarily or only follow the religion with respect to Jihad but show little adherence to other doctrines. It is of course obvious which theory makes better predictions. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country and no terror attacks on Europe or the US originate there. Islam directs the faithful to spare the people of the book (Christians and Jews) and allow them to practice their religion while allowing the killing of other infidels. Yet Christians and Jews are the targets not Shintoists or Buddhist in Japan. Within the west, the most secular and less christian nations, scandinavia, germany or canada are not targeted, while the religious US and Israel are. Finally, while many terror leaders are or claim to be highly observant the actual attackers are often not. Most of the 9.11 attackers visited strip clubs and drank alcohol, both explicitly prohibited in Islam. In terms of what the perpetrators say we can look at the suicide videos of attackers and and the writings of the organizers like bin Laden. Every suicide video states that the attack is retaliation for real (or pereived ) injustices by the West. Not a single suicide bomber says that he is about to kill himself to get the Virgins in the afterlife. WHat's more the 9.11 organizers withheld the fact that they were on a suicide mission from most of the attackers. If the promises of reward in the afterlife was a significant motivation as it should be for the most devout why was it easier to recruit participants under the disguise that they are sent on a highjacking operation not a suicide attack ? The bottom line is that religious belief is only an amplifier, the primary cause if our violence and misguided policies.
Obama never said that !
Quran is a book of justice not a book of peace.
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Shari’a ftw!
10:30 this shows how much his policies are based on ignorance of islam.
Whose policies? What are you talking about?
The quran and sahih haddiths are horrendously violent. And they make their own problem by suggesting they are perfect, which we see they are wrong about time and time again.
What is the punishment for apostasy in islam?
Ignorance is an English word. Stop projecting
@@Heretic-007 I ,when making this judgement , at least studied my adversaries' point of view and I even read his book while you or most of his fan never studied the standard muslim scholarly point of view .
Go watch the series of the life of the prophet,an academic series by shaikh Yasir qadhi.
Stop projecting your ignorance on me.BTW, I know more languages than the number of fathers you have excluding English.
@@finlybenyunes8385 the policies he advocated for in his books and interviews based on the little knowledge of Islam .
Lol chopping hands is for thieves who rob banks or serious like that ,not for political or familial rivals.He made such huge blunder .
My old self got a gem right there hahah.
Just stop taking against any religion you are disrespecting other people unneccesary first read whole religion islam then talk. Or any religion you should do detail study on the books of specific religion then talk on any religion . Otherwise its useless.
That's what you don't seem to get, that he DOES know about your religion and what it teaches. We are sick of religious fools using the same arguments "BuT YoU dOnT UnDeRStaNd My ReLigIoN, yOu ArE MiSReprESeNtIng It".
I’m pretty sure he has read YOUR scripture a dozen times already. The question is, when will you read it?
I have read the hadiths, with a friend whom was very familiar with it, and I've got to say that the messages were plain to see. Wake up people, it's going to be properly scary when the demographic is the majority. Just saying.
Lol you are disrespecting Kafirs. You should listen to him and read all his works and then talk
Just stop talking against Kafirs. You are disrespecting other people unnecessary