I thought I was the only one who felt that the “Heist Feeling” was gone. The overall energy during a loud heist is just so mild when you look at PD2. Like, even when it wasn’t during a police assault there was still a very intense ambiance where you were. Police sirens wailing, radio chatter from the bodies of officers, helicopters circling nearby. Comparing it to PD3, it’s like watching a Tubi movie original after a Quentin Tarantino film.
Exactly, the skills system is flawed too. Gotta reload my gun every 10 seconds to not lose my edge. I want access to my skills all the time, not when I shot 35 bullets or ran for 2 seconds or something. It's exactly missing what Battlefield lacks too these days and that is teamwork. In PD2 back in the day Dallas was the mastermind, Chains was the enforcer (I just shouted with him all day against civs cause his voice was so cool, now you can't even shout anymore when they're already on the ground), Wolf the technician and Houston the ghost. They all had their own personalities and perks to the game. Now it's just everybody for themselves and we'll see. There is no true teamwork. I guess they'll implement a battle royale mode soon, because that's what's trending these days. A hero shooter, no teamwork, no talking by characters, playing battle royale.
In the end, not all but most of this goes back to the same core issue: This game is undercooked, it didn't have enough development time. By the way, if console players are the ones keeping this game alive, then they better add a new set of controller improvements because the camera is still as bad as it was before
With that prototype that leaked last month which showed a handful of features that are either missing from the release version or were straight up done better (don't think it was objectively a better game but it definitely had some standout positives missing right now from small things like getting into the back of the van, the drill mechanics, Payday 2 armor, an actual server browser), I fully subscribe to a theory that they restarted development around late 2021/early 2022 for whatever reason like deciding to just not make Payday 2 2 that the prototype seemed to hint at. Which would help somewhat explain why the game is so undercooked despite having been in the oven since at least Oct 2020 that the prototype is dated.
Payday 3's armor system just feels like a worse stoic from payday 2 to me, which is ironic how they talked about it being "unique" and all that crap, when stoic also had that "death by a thousand cuts" thing, but it only relied on health so you could just bring FAK or use health regen skills for infinitely regenerating health, instead of a resource that runs out so fast that it makes you rush heists and not take time with them because take too long and tough luck, you have no renewable source for them like payday 2's skills and perk decks would provide
For the editing : - We can't hear you on some parts like 5:20. Try turning down the background music and increase the volume of your voice. It will makes it easier to listen to for the sake of the video. - Look at the video once the editing is done and then try to set up the video in private, take a look before and then publish it. For the subject : - Some problems can be adresses in Updates but some need a Overhaul of the Game, a 2.0 with a better communication between devs and players. - Organise Playtest with some players, it will boost the fidelity and you can have a direct feedback on multiples systems (Studios like these tend to have a single lists of PC parts and it's deployed everywhere like the HP Z1 G10) - Make DLC Price an affordable price and add a free DLC after that by saying "Buying DLCs can cover the cost of the Free DLCs" simple as. - Put more feedbacks ! You are about the feedback system : I want the characters to be there, to scream the problems and the Operator reacting to it. Changing the sound of firearms to be more meaty and when hitting a headshot to be more satisfying.
I don't want this to sound super malice but it is and honestly I would love if the company went under. They absolutely deserve it in terms of Karma. This entire game was setup in the hopes that they can completely milk their consumers with an incomplete game and microtransactions. They probably thought "we can get absolutely rich with mictrotransactions it's 2024 guys. Don't waste time on the game itself" It is so apparent how little effort they put into this game. The HUD is a dead giveaway to me. It looks like some student at a college made it for an assignment that is learning how to develop games. You explained all those reasons in the video and there is honestly way more I can think of as well on top of this top 10. Also the pace they are working on this game at is extremely concerning. There are many options to this but I think the big options are this: A. Most likely scenario of them pulling most of the developers over to another project because they know PD3 will not make a healthy return. B. Hopefully they are working on some HUGE update that they are keeping low-key. More specifically like a complete re-work of all these problems and will attempt to re-build the hype back up. I think it's the best course of action but I doubt they will do this as option A is way more likely.
8:59 kinda funny that PD2 suffers the same issue that the guns fires are kinda low or quiet meanwhile before update 20 or lower the shots are WAY WAY louder than now, including the shootouts with the police that looks like a war in middle of the city
The armor system, the really wonky skill system, and the lengthy (often boring) heists are what really are holding this game back. PDTH heist has less content, but it made up for it in style, presentation, and simplicity. I’ve seen multiple comments complain about how tired and drained they feel after playing just an hour of pd3, and I think these three things are the true problems. It’s too stressful maintaining armor and keeping your skills up; it’s frustrating to lose (or trying not to lose) all that progress made in a heist, especially after you just sat through some tedious or boring objectives. People (including me) find the gunplay fun, but it’s bogged down by everything else.
There is a colorblind setting within the game. In fact, this is what the filters are called now, I have already adjusted it to suit myself, and I do not feel any greenishness.
This is very well put together and straight to the point. I also really like your organization and the comparisons you made with your very clean editing.
Fair enough. As reason nr. 0 (because I just have to mention it) I would like to add the aggression of the community - you pointed out (most of) the issues in this video in a calm manner, meanwhile in places like r/paydaytheheist and Steam forums you'll find people aggressively wanting only one thing to be added to the game, and that is the offline mode. They'll only realize the game has more issues than that once the said offline mode will be added. It doesn't end here - people will try to pacify you with insults or memes if you rant about their behavior publically. Their opinions aren't even a form of constructive criticism. Seriously, if the game will finally become objectively better, the community will be holding the game back from being good. That's my opinion.
For me, the thing that completely broke my trust in them is when I learned that they wanted to do microtransactions again, like have you not learned from the complete fiasco that was crimefest and the safes? I hope that this game can get back on its feet, but if it is ruled by greed, then fuck that.
Number 9, Number 9, Number 9. Ommgggggg as someone who plays Payday very casually and doesnt really think about min maxing skills and weapons this one PAINS ME. PD2 had amazing random events and changes that made it super fun to keep playing. PD3.... ergh its just dry. I will die on the hill that Replayablity is the most important part of Payday and honestly im shcoked that wasnt one of the design pillars with 3 to make it EVEN MORE variable and dynamic than 2
Havnt played payday 3 in how long not by my choice because i literally cannot find another soul to play with and when i do they just want stealth and leave. It blows my mind they are still creating dlc free or not like this new shock grenade ive been seeing i cant use the grenade if i cant play your game. Thanks for highlighting these issues good video sir
Exactly, they're just adding useless stuff nobody asked for. For me, my biggest issues with this game as a solo console player are the lack of content and replayability and the very high joystick deadzone (yes, i know they ''fixed'' it but that ''fix'' did nothing since the mininum deadzone is still way too high)
tried giving this game another go. murky water station solo overkill (obviously since no one is playing) for some ip. get a decent enough run and 20 minutes in, seems to be going good. feels sort of like some nice old pd2 stealth nostalgia. connection error boots me. drop the nastiest steam review ive ever produced.
for point 6 this is because of the bigger cast. the more characters you add, the more expensive it becomes to get voicelines for world interaction, hence why it gets watered down. i always despised adding new characters. payday is and always is dallas, chains hoxton and wolf. no other character exists. story characters arent an issue. its the playable cast increasing that makes it shit
My issue is the lack of… well, organic character. They don’t interact with each other or have any special dialogue during heists. It legit is a flaw that payday the heist originally got right, while payday 2 got wrong, yet they didn’t bother to avoid it for this title. Even with a limited cast, they had the opportunity to give them heist dialogue, but they didn’t. They’re just vessels that occasional spout something.
At this point if they turn payday 3 into payday 2 but in unreal (like 1:1, even the UI) i would gladly take it instead of anything they have been cooking for the past few months.
Payday 3’s goal should be to remove UI as much as possible (think helldivers 2 main menu), while stylizing the in game UI, to make it feel like a heist, and not a heist themed cod horde shooter I don’t think microtransactions necessarily detract from the game (again, helldivers 2), but an intense focus on them over the game could easily kill payday 3 for good
My issue is how biting the heists are for 8 default you'd expect them to go for the logic of the first game quality over quantity but no it's the most bland boring shit ever
The weird armor sistem maked me stop playing the game. I was so used to the shoot take cover gameplay of payday the heist. Also, the armor doesnt even felt like armor, It feels more like a second healthbar wich sucks. Also, why Is the first person animations look and feel so plastic?
The only problem i have with payday 3 is the #1 problem like you said when i want to play loud there are always stealth players and thats the problem there are only stealth players Even when i host there is only stealth players and i always play loud loud only. And its just annoying Other than that i dont have any problem with payday 3 and i am a console player.
No one mentioning the frustrating combat? That the shooting has turned into some delicate Battlefield/Counter strike with lots of recoil and all enemies being bullet sponges. I do not find that fun at all and I am actually a great aimer but it doesn't feel like I am using my skill in this game to it's full potential. They just made enemies movements so annoying then combined with the recoil, slow reload and slow shooting on the new revolver. They going for this new realistic mode of the game that no one really asked for and I just feel robbed of my skill as a player and the fun part of having all knocked and being able to clean up a whole assault solo and save the run because you were in God mode is gone. When I went in and played Crime Boss after played some PD3 it just felt so nice again that the enemies actually die easier, just put in more enemies and less tanky and the fun will go up a lot because it feels nice in Crime Boss even if that games AI is also stupid and it also need way more enemies spawned in, overall I am having fun in that game.
I got so hyped for payday 3 that I completely replayed all of payday 2 over like 2 months every day, then payday 3 came out and I deadass didn’t even finish the first match before I deleted it again😂😂 absolutely embarrassing to publish such dog sh
They work at snail speed. Fixing small stuff doesn't help when the core game sucks not even the core heists are fun they are so linear and the objectives are so boring.
Mother fucker, I used to be optimistic about this game even with its horrid launch. But spending months just to add basic features and trying to hype them up is *not* the way to go.
Because game companies are scummy and greedy and stupid people keep enabling them. Just because something has been around for years doesn't mean it's good.
I don’t have problems with microtransactions. But if your game is not fun, and starts getting stale and you think adding micro transactions is still to be considered……. just why? also to add to this, whether you like microtransactions or not, it wouldn’t be fair for those who actually bought the items, just to remove them.
Bro I love that youtube actually recommends videos from very small channels who make quality content
Honeslty yeah, ever since payday 3 dropped and bombed I’ve got introduced to a ton of channels because of it which is pretty cool
Yeah this guy is underrated imo. idk hes one of those youtubers i feel like i could just listen to ramble about anything
You know a game is flawless when there's top 10 lists for their problems
Huh?
do you even know what "flawless" means?
I thought I was the only one who felt that the “Heist Feeling” was gone. The overall energy during a loud heist is just so mild when you look at PD2. Like, even when it wasn’t during a police assault there was still a very intense ambiance where you were. Police sirens wailing, radio chatter from the bodies of officers, helicopters circling nearby. Comparing it to PD3, it’s like watching a Tubi movie original after a Quentin Tarantino film.
Exactly, the skills system is flawed too. Gotta reload my gun every 10 seconds to not lose my edge. I want access to my skills all the time, not when I shot 35 bullets or ran for 2 seconds or something. It's exactly missing what Battlefield lacks too these days and that is teamwork. In PD2 back in the day Dallas was the mastermind, Chains was the enforcer (I just shouted with him all day against civs cause his voice was so cool, now you can't even shout anymore when they're already on the ground), Wolf the technician and Houston the ghost. They all had their own personalities and perks to the game. Now it's just everybody for themselves and we'll see. There is no true teamwork.
I guess they'll implement a battle royale mode soon, because that's what's trending these days. A hero shooter, no teamwork, no talking by characters, playing battle royale.
"...At the bottom of Pandora's box, worse than disease and famine, lay the greatest evil of all... Hope."
Editing mistake at 10:30, I am a fraud.
In the end, not all but most of this goes back to the same core issue: This game is undercooked, it didn't have enough development time.
By the way, if console players are the ones keeping this game alive, then they better add a new set of controller improvements because the camera is still as bad as it was before
With that prototype that leaked last month which showed a handful of features that are either missing from the release version or were straight up done better (don't think it was objectively a better game but it definitely had some standout positives missing right now from small things like getting into the back of the van, the drill mechanics, Payday 2 armor, an actual server browser), I fully subscribe to a theory that they restarted development around late 2021/early 2022 for whatever reason like deciding to just not make Payday 2 2 that the prototype seemed to hint at. Which would help somewhat explain why the game is so undercooked despite having been in the oven since at least Oct 2020 that the prototype is dated.
Payday 3's armor system just feels like a worse stoic from payday 2 to me, which is ironic how they talked about it being "unique" and all that crap, when stoic also had that "death by a thousand cuts" thing, but it only relied on health so you could just bring FAK or use health regen skills for infinitely regenerating health, instead of a resource that runs out so fast that it makes you rush heists and not take time with them because take too long and tough luck, you have no renewable source for them like payday 2's skills and perk decks would provide
For the editing :
- We can't hear you on some parts like 5:20. Try turning down the background music and increase the volume of your voice. It will makes it easier to listen to for the sake of the video.
- Look at the video once the editing is done and then try to set up the video in private, take a look before and then publish it.
For the subject :
- Some problems can be adresses in Updates but some need a Overhaul of the Game, a 2.0 with a better communication between devs and players.
- Organise Playtest with some players, it will boost the fidelity and you can have a direct feedback on multiples systems (Studios like these tend to have a single lists of PC parts and it's deployed everywhere like the HP Z1 G10)
- Make DLC Price an affordable price and add a free DLC after that by saying "Buying DLCs can cover the cost of the Free DLCs" simple as.
- Put more feedbacks ! You are about the feedback system : I want the characters to be there, to scream the problems and the Operator reacting to it. Changing the sound of firearms to be more meaty and when hitting a headshot to be more satisfying.
I don't want this to sound super malice but it is and honestly I would love if the company went under. They absolutely deserve it in terms of Karma. This entire game was setup in the hopes that they can completely milk their consumers with an incomplete game and microtransactions. They probably thought "we can get absolutely rich with mictrotransactions it's 2024 guys. Don't waste time on the game itself" It is so apparent how little effort they put into this game. The HUD is a dead giveaway to me. It looks like some student at a college made it for an assignment that is learning how to develop games. You explained all those reasons in the video and there is honestly way more I can think of as well on top of this top 10.
Also the pace they are working on this game at is extremely concerning. There are many options to this but I think the big options are this:
A. Most likely scenario of them pulling most of the developers over to another project because they know PD3 will not make a healthy return.
B. Hopefully they are working on some HUGE update that they are keeping low-key. More specifically like a complete re-work of all these problems and will attempt to re-build the hype back up. I think it's the best course of action but I doubt they will do this as option A is way more likely.
8:59 kinda funny that PD2 suffers the same issue that the guns fires are kinda low or quiet meanwhile before update 20 or lower the shots are WAY WAY louder than now, including the shootouts with the police that looks like a war in middle of the city
The armor system, the really wonky skill system, and the lengthy (often boring) heists are what really are holding this game back. PDTH heist has less content, but it made up for it in style, presentation, and simplicity.
I’ve seen multiple comments complain about how tired and drained they feel after playing just an hour of pd3, and I think these three things are the true problems. It’s too stressful maintaining armor and keeping your skills up; it’s frustrating to lose (or trying not to lose) all that progress made in a heist, especially after you just sat through some tedious or boring objectives. People (including me) find the gunplay fun, but it’s bogged down by everything else.
There is a colorblind setting within the game. In fact, this is what the filters are called now, I have already adjusted it to suit myself, and I do not feel any greenishness.
This is very well put together and straight to the point. I also really like your organization and the comparisons you made with your very clean editing.
Fair enough. As reason nr. 0 (because I just have to mention it) I would like to add the aggression of the community - you pointed out (most of) the issues in this video in a calm manner, meanwhile in places like r/paydaytheheist and Steam forums you'll find people aggressively wanting only one thing to be added to the game, and that is the offline mode. They'll only realize the game has more issues than that once the said offline mode will be added.
It doesn't end here - people will try to pacify you with insults or memes if you rant about their behavior publically. Their opinions aren't even a form of constructive criticism. Seriously, if the game will finally become objectively better, the community will be holding the game back from being good. That's my opinion.
For me, the thing that completely broke my trust in them is when I learned that they wanted to do microtransactions again, like have you not learned from the complete fiasco that was crimefest and the safes? I hope that this game can get back on its feet, but if it is ruled by greed, then fuck that.
Number 9, Number 9, Number 9. Ommgggggg as someone who plays Payday very casually and doesnt really think about min maxing skills and weapons this one PAINS ME. PD2 had amazing random events and changes that made it super fun to keep playing. PD3.... ergh its just dry.
I will die on the hill that Replayablity is the most important part of Payday and honestly im shcoked that wasnt one of the design pillars with 3 to make it EVEN MORE variable and dynamic than 2
Havnt played payday 3 in how long not by my choice because i literally cannot find another soul to play with and when i do they just want stealth and leave. It blows my mind they are still creating dlc free or not like this new shock grenade ive been seeing i cant use the grenade if i cant play your game. Thanks for highlighting these issues good video sir
Exactly, they're just adding useless stuff nobody asked for. For me, my biggest issues with this game as a solo console player are the lack of content and replayability and the very high joystick deadzone (yes, i know they ''fixed'' it but that ''fix'' did nothing since the mininum deadzone is still way too high)
You’re a very underrated channel, you deserve more subs.
Thanks for your opinions
Houston’s not in the game that’s what’s holding us back
tried giving this game another go. murky water station solo overkill (obviously since no one is playing) for some ip. get a decent enough run and 20 minutes in, seems to be going good. feels sort of like some nice old pd2 stealth nostalgia. connection error boots me. drop the nastiest steam review ive ever produced.
for point 6 this is because of the bigger cast. the more characters you add, the more expensive it becomes to get voicelines for world interaction, hence why it gets watered down. i always despised adding new characters. payday is and always is dallas, chains hoxton and wolf. no other character exists.
story characters arent an issue. its the playable cast increasing that makes it shit
My issue is the lack of… well, organic character. They don’t interact with each other or have any special dialogue during heists. It legit is a flaw that payday the heist originally got right, while payday 2 got wrong, yet they didn’t bother to avoid it for this title.
Even with a limited cast, they had the opportunity to give them heist dialogue, but they didn’t. They’re just vessels that occasional spout something.
they had the blueprint for this game and still messed it up
The foundation is good, it's just surrounded by bad things
At this point if they turn payday 3 into payday 2 but in unreal (like 1:1, even the UI) i would gladly take it instead of anything they have been cooking for the past few months.
Payday 3’s goal should be to remove UI as much as possible (think helldivers 2 main menu), while stylizing the in game UI, to make it feel like a heist, and not a heist themed cod horde shooter
I don’t think microtransactions necessarily detract from the game (again, helldivers 2), but an intense focus on them over the game could easily kill payday 3 for good
The audio is a bit weird. Try turning down the background music and increase the volume of your voice. Makes it easier to listen to.
The fact there's an active modding community and SBZ still doesn't deliver proper mod support
My issue is how biting the heists are for 8 default you'd expect them to go for the logic of the first game quality over quantity but no it's the most bland boring shit ever
You speak out of my heart
Paday 3 is being eaten by payday 2 so they really need to step their game up but their not for some reason
Fun fact the prototype pd3 from 2020 is getting more love than regular pd3
The weird armor sistem maked me stop playing the game. I was so used to the shoot take cover gameplay of payday the heist. Also, the armor doesnt even felt like armor, It feels more like a second healthbar wich sucks. Also, why Is the first person animations look and feel so plastic?
The only problem i have with payday 3 is the #1 problem like you said when i want to play loud there are always stealth players and thats the problem there are only stealth players
Even when i host there is only stealth players and i always play loud loud only. And its just annoying
Other than that i dont have any problem with payday 3 and i am a console player.
really good video with points we can all agree on but the music is a bit to loud for my taste
Number 0: Preformance
payday 3 was a easy game to make and they failed as all they had to do was make payday 2.1 in unreal
Game isn't worth 40$ tbh
What was the song during the intro? Was that the PD1 menu music?
I used the Payday 1 loadout music. Just search “pdth loadouts” on YT or its official name “preparations” on the soundtrack.
No one mentioning the frustrating combat? That the shooting has turned into some delicate Battlefield/Counter strike with lots of recoil and all enemies being bullet sponges. I do not find that fun at all and I am actually a great aimer but it doesn't feel like I am using my skill in this game to it's full potential. They just made enemies movements so annoying then combined with the recoil, slow reload and slow shooting on the new revolver. They going for this new realistic mode of the game that no one really asked for and I just feel robbed of my skill as a player and the fun part of having all knocked and being able to clean up a whole assault solo and save the run because you were in God mode is gone. When I went in and played Crime Boss after played some PD3 it just felt so nice again that the enemies actually die easier, just put in more enemies and less tanky and the fun will go up a lot because it feels nice in Crime Boss even if that games AI is also stupid and it also need way more enemies spawned in, overall I am having fun in that game.
In my opinion modern payday 2 doesn't at all have that heist feeling
I got so hyped for payday 3 that I completely replayed all of payday 2 over like 2 months every day, then payday 3 came out and I deadass didn’t even finish the first match before I deleted it again😂😂 absolutely embarrassing to publish such dog sh
They work at snail speed.
Fixing small stuff doesn't help when the core game sucks not even the core heists are fun they are so linear and the objectives are so boring.
it just sounds like the game is not for you tbh
The armor system i hate it
just bring back p2p
They did in the prototype, no clue why they abandoned it.
Give them 3-6 more month and they will fix many problems ,and it will be great game
Mother fucker, I used to be optimistic about this game even with its horrid launch. But spending months just to add basic features and trying to hype them up is *not* the way to go.
Only 10 ?
How kind of you 😂
loud noise = funny
Said no one, ever.
'People don't like microtransaction' but they are still in games for 10+ years
Because game companies are scummy and greedy and stupid people keep enabling them. Just because something has been around for years doesn't mean it's good.
I don’t have problems with microtransactions. But if your game is not fun, and starts getting stale and you think adding micro transactions is still to be considered……. just why?
also to add to this, whether you like microtransactions or not, it wouldn’t be fair for those who actually bought the items, just to remove them.
Ok you have problem with the internet because I have never heard of these problems being regularly but I bet you are taking lack of accountability
Nope.
Common issue with most server-dependent bullshit, even with good WiFi, you can still get connection errors and lag spikes.