Slavoj Zizek on Jordan Peterson, Russia and "Family Values"
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2022
- In 2022 it seems like even careful plans quickly turn into disaster: a dream of freedom turning into terror, morality into hypocrisy, excessive wealth into poverty for the majority. So how do we use philosophy to combat the chaos of an upside down world, one gone wrong and turned into its opposite? Slavoj Zizek is here to help.
Slavoj Žižek is a Hegelian philosopher, a Lacanian psychoanalyst, and a Communist. He is International Director at the Birkbeck Institute for Humanities, University of London, UK, Visiting Professor at the New York University, USA, and Senior Researcher at the Department of Philosophy, University of Ljubljana, Slovenia.
Robert Rowland Smith writes about philosophy, psychology and literature. His seven books include Breakfast with Socrates, Death-Drive, The Reality Test and AutoBioPhilosophy. Robert has given talks around the world on his ideas, been a columnist for the Sunday Times Magazine, and contributed regularly to radio. Robert is a Quondam Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, and a Board Member of both the Institute of Art and Ideas and the Tavistock Institute of Medical Psychology
See more of Slavoj here: ua-cam.com/play/PLFIigLLitqDlMcyK7zER5I8s9AgGwSPgj.html
I was born atheist and still remain one. I’d say my politics are left of centre but I have strong family values.
Why attack the left for destroying family values?
"Yes I agree with him, but from the opposite point"- Slavoj žižek, fcking legend.
Those one liners titles are always misleading, but hell how can I judge? It intrigued me enough to get here
I watched a Jordan Peterson interview the other day and thought the exact same thing
those at both extremes who are honest like this are usually worth listening to
@@ayyleeuz4892 just curious, why listen to a communist? Only the leaders benefit in communism and *everyone* else suffers
They need to do another debate.
Zixek's internet connection is as idiosyncratic as his own personality,
That's just how he talks now
it matches pretty well
be happy he speaks english dude
@@drisxxx5761 That's debatable?
Hahaha he talks like Hilter
Jordan : Putin is defending against communism.
zizek : Agree, what a horrible fellow.
The west isn’t communist under any definition of the word
Peterson really said something like that? What a dumbest pile of BS one could every say.
Zizeks connection is perfectly fine. He just moves in a parallel reality.
I think what Peterson said is that Putin sees himself as opposition to the "degenerate west", not that he is in fact. Big difference.
Thats jordans game, he implies a lot while never outright stating anything. That is unless you are a plus sized swimsuit model
then he followed it saying that he is scared by the fact that he thinks they are kind of right. So yeah...
People with low IQs or those who are ideological fanatics can't hear the message in anything JP is saying.
@@stefvanroey8191 Indeed. I try to like JP and I do believe that he helps so many young men who feel lost, but he clearly doesn't understand Socialism or Postmodernism. Is he not aware that one of the main reasons why there are so many lost young men is Capitalism itself? Is he not aware that Postmodernism is an umbrella term for all sorts of things, and that what he (rightfully) criticizes as moral relativism, political correctness,... is, if at all, loosely intersecting with Postmodernism?
Sorry, as I said, I try to like him, but you can't preach that "these Postmodern-Neomarxists" are ruining society and then in a debate admit tthat by Marxism, you just saw this "oppressor vs oppressed" mentality blah blah. Dude. Read up, change your mind, then come back.
@@koalakoala2344 Because it is not capitalism. Not by a longshot. People who already decided they hate capitalism (or working? idk but it has to be suggested) blame it for whatever problem society faces right now. But none of these problems are unique to capitalism.
Maybe insider trading is a problem that only exists because of capitalism, everything else, no that's just silly scapgoating.
Nihilism is a danger that comes with wealth. If you want to argue that capitalism is the only thing that can and ever created wealth - OK be my guest :)
Parents that neglect their children, which became super-fashionable in the 70s, is certainly also not something that exists because of capitalism. It has been, in most part, championed by the supposed critics of capitalism (eventhough everybody at that time was complicit in it and is equally to blame).
Also JBP ist not helping people by lifting them out of capitalism. If the problem would be capitalism (not neglect) than he could not help anybody.
Zizeks moves faster than his internet byte rate
😂
His accent reminds me of the old Egyptian man analysing the medallion of the staff that shows the arch of the covenant in Indians Jones and the last crusade.
He's spitting that word "neo-conservatives" around so broadly and carelessly in describing Trump republicans that Putin supposedly supports, that he's forgetting that one can indeed be a never- Trumper (or a "so-called 'honest' republican" in Zizek speak) and still be a warmongering neocon
Or he's just spitting.
@@Kitiwake lmao
The never-Trumpers ARE overwhelmingly the warmongering neocons. Trump's policy was to be firm and set up deals to avoid conflict, and withdraw from foreign interventions as quickly as responsibly possible by leaving diplomacy in the hands of the directly interested parties by facilitating solid deals between them. The ones benefitting from endless foreign interventions were the ones undermining Trump's attempts to tie up loose ends and end foreign obligations. Hence the phrase "America first"... none of the Trump supporters I know want anything to do with Ukraine. Zizek seems to think that advocating to fight Russia is somehow not warmongering
Interesting that Žižek once reasonably asked Peterson who are those bloody postmodern neo-marxists he's always broadly spitting about and Peterson hasn't managed to answer that at all
One thing Jordan Peterson does really well is communicate his ideas clearly.
It would be more accurate to say that Jordan Peterson explains his mostly-bullshit ideas clearly.
@@tom-kz9pb That`s real qt.
Idk about that one, he lathers cooked ideas with esoteric words and ends up convoluting whatever he's saying to sound smart.
@@ChilledKiwi The only way to get that impression of JP is to not listen to the ideas, if you constantly try to missunderstand something you are one of two things:
A lawyer or a ideolog
@@jakw97 I'm afraid to say you're the one misunderstanding (though probably not deliberately). I never said that I misunderstood his ideas. I'm saying that his choice of words reek of sophistry. He's a well-spoken man, and I understand the ideas (most of which I disagree with heavily). It's just that the people he's pandering to think that his inane arguments are more valid because he's eloquent.
I used to like Peterson half a decade ago, when I was an adolescent and more ignorant, but now after seeing him speak so confidently wrong on things I've actually studied, I find most arguments of his do not hold up to scrutiny, though they do unfortunately sound right without research.
Spot on Slavoj! Traditional family has been struggling since well before the arrival of LGBTQ movement in the past few years.
Traditional family has been struggling since the arrival of capitalism...
Cuz thats what the big man slav fukn said lmao
@@farr4_moon87 Wrong. Traditional values have been struggling since forever. If you look at the other end of the spectrum, the Soviet Communism, perhaps a third of Russian/Ukrainian/Belarussian/etc. children grew up without a father in the family. Often with the mother breadwinner and the grandma carrying all the burden of raising children. While father is dead, chronically drunk, jobless, violent, wife-beater, etc., in short, psychologically screwed up beyond the point of no return. It's no joke. It's dead serious. Millions of children. So much about family values.
That hasn’t changed. Russia today has one of the highest divorce rates on the planet. Very high rates of alcoholism and domestic violence
@@zybergis that's probably because of father's being killed in the great Patriotic War. That's Hitler and fascism's fault, not socialism
Yeah I'd love for someone to summarize what he said here, instead of pretending to understand it and saying "he's brilliant!"
Is this seat vacant ? Waiting for the same train too . 🤓
He is warning us of the danger of the union of neoconservatives / far-right movements around the world and questioning the left strategies to fight this wave. One of the main flags of these movements is the protection of the family that has supposedly been destroyed by the left with "gay propaganda". Zizek provoke the left to answer to this argument - differently from our usual speech defending LGBTQ rights - should be remembering that this liberal economy contributes much more to the "destruction of the family" than any possible so- called "gay propaganda". Just think about the children that cannot be raised by their own parents as both work insane hours every week dealing with lack of childcare support/ facilities, lack of proper maternity and paternity leaves, among other problems that the liberal economy enthusiasts seems to be blinded to. An environment of social economic instability (where parents don't have time for their kids or for themselves) creates a breeding ground for family dismantlement.
It helps to have read or watched a lot of Zizek to understand his rambling style and love of twisting things around to make the opposite point. His thesis is basically that the reason why someone like Jordan Peterson defends or even supports Putin is the very reason why Leftists everywhere should oppose Putin, namely that Putin is highly conservative and has been supporting the Far Right ideologically, financially and militarily all over the world for over a decade (Zizek mentions Le Pen and others in Europe, but the same applies to Assad in Syria, the Taliban and the military junta in Myanmar). Peterson, Trumpist Republicans and others on the Right look up to Putin as a staunch traditionalist and anti-communist, and Zizek's point is that he agrees that Putin is the sort of supreme anti-communist in the world today, and that that is why the Left should oppose Putin and everyone who sides with him. He then goes on to make the point that it is neoliberal politicians (many of them on the Right, but certainly also plenty on the "Left" like Tony Blair or most of the Democratic party) who have created policies far more damaging to families than gay rights - he doesn't give examples, but he's referring to the classic Bernie Sanders talking points like precarious wages, inflation, lack of universal healthcare, lack of free university education, reduced social spending by government, unpaid maternal and paternal leave and basically anything that has made it impossible for most families in capitalist countries to exist in a traditional sense of one working parent and one raising the kids with plenty of savings and vacation time and little stress. Therefore, Zizek says, the Left should sell its policies to voters as being those which will do more for family values than the neoliberal Right. To understand Zizek, it's vital to know that he (rightly) differentiates Leftists and liberals - to put it simply, a liberal can be a capitalist (and many of them are), but a Leftist can't. Also, "neoliberal" and liberal don't mean the same thing. and neoliberals and neoconservatives are basically two sides of the same coin for Leftists because they're both capitalists.
Thank you Ricardo! Much appreciated.
@@999117123 Thanks for taking the time.
"Family values, politeness..." Indeed, wouldn't that be nice? By the way, that debate last year or so was hard to watch. Jordan, knowing nothing about Slavoj (not that I know much), starts off with that review of the Communist Manifesto! It was embarrassing, but then Zizek showed his magnanimity and his holistic understanding of the order of things.
The topic of debate was literally capitalism vs communism
As always with Zizek, it was fascinating but I understood nothing
Zizek came at the same conclusion as early fascists.
@@LNVACVAC what?
@@user-lz1wp8sw3vHe is probably refering to the conclusion that liberal democracy destroyed family values and human decency, which is totally true, Marx and Engels criticezed burgeois family structure long before Giovanni Gentile came around, thing with fascism is that it never manages to deliver a sound alternative to the issues it tries to fix, contrary to popular belief both nazism and fascism were anti-burgeois, however here is a very fine line, because their critique of burgeois society was (specificall for nazism) an association of the burgeoisie with a group of people whom they thought to be the problem, in germany's case the jews, so fascism and nazism do not offer a real solution for class society but rather offer a very emotional idealistic outburst. There was this guy Gregor Strasser, who was one of the only real socialists within the movement(despite the fact he was an antisemite, at least he saw it through more of a materialist lens and only condemning real burgeois jews) in Germany and he got purged during the night of the long knives, because he was in favor of an alliance with the USSR and very hard left leaning, at least economically. But yeah, in short fascism happens when capitalism fails
Zizek is always the most insightful political philosopher.
Surely the most fidgety.
@@arisnotheles Thank you for your reply. I am not sure Zizek critique of capitalism is really discussed in this video in that way. Modern American and Eurpoean Union capitalism are so different from the free market of the 18/19 centuries as to render them entirely different systems. Zizek never really offers an alternative to the mixed economy of the contemporary world except leaning more towards government intervention in the market and de-empathising the endless pursuit of material gain at the expense of all other considerations. I would say that he advocates not an alternative economic system as such rather a tempering of greed within the existing system.
My comment was only in reference to the insight that Jordan Peterson has completey misunderstood the importance and danger that Russia represents and that an unholy alliance of Putin's European creatures [Le Pen etc] and Trumpean Republicans would truly be a match made in hell.
Garry Kasparov is way more smarter.
Zizek should draw the distinction between unintended consequences of Peterson's stance on putin's actions and the neo-conservative engine of the US.
You seem capable doing it yourself w/o help.
I love the way Zizek says Trump
What's so amazing, is this guy actually sits down and listens to the opposite opinion before commenting.
SIR,
JP went to RUSSIA to be cured of BARBITURATE
ADDICTION.
You may analyze how that took place.
I don't think he understands Jordan Peterson's perspective. JP isn't defending Putin's actions or justifying them, he's explaining Putin's rationale. Because, right or wrong, Putin is doing what he's doing for some reason, and it's worth discussing that reason absent a declaration of whether it's right or wrong. That's what JP was doing, and Slavoj has unfortunately seems to have missed the nuance.
Exactly, he’s presupposing that Jordan is in favour of the ways in which Putin is deciding to stave off the leftist wave. Jordan, as you said, is offering a potential political explanation for Putin’s actions; he hasn’t made any explicit declarations favouring or disfavouring Putin’s decision. Just because he’s staunchly opposed to dogmatic leftism, doesn’t mean he’s an admirer of a totalitarian leader who shares the same contempt for such an ideology. That’s the point Zizek is missing.
Yeah, but it's still kind of stupid.
Not that it's uncommon though.
There are a lot of self centered view points about Ukrainian-Russo war coming from western pundits who kind of are just happy to ignore regional politics and history which was there before any "west" for hundred of years.
And it does come off as Jordan is a bit up his own rabbit hole when commenting on the war.
There is this attempt to tie it in with his commonly proposed narrative. And it's ain't helping to make things clearer for anyone.
"Oh it's about degeneration of the west", "Oh it's about nato expansion", "oh it's.." so much narcissism. It's just uh.
Good place to start would be series of lectures by Timothy Snyder in Yale, available publicly, called "Making of modern Ukraine". Perhaps some perspective will be gained.
Because now it's just facepalm after facepalm when you see these "deep takes" from many westerner commentators. Jordan did not escape the blindspots.
@@lazmaroulis6686 He may be getting paid from Putin...you never know
Exactly my thoughts
@@lazmaroulis6686
He agrees with Putin. I am not sure why he needs to say "I am with Putin" for people to make that inference; Peterson has no problem claiming Santa Claus is a Marxist because he wears red (joke) but apparently anything but explicit statements isn't enough to draw conclusions as to his views.
I don't think it is specifically neoliberalism that is destroying family, it is the market society in general.
The isolated nuclear family is a recent phenomenon. Unsuccessful and unhealthy, it is not a desirable method of organization.
4:48 so true
4:40 These two things literally go hand in hand. Peterson's problem is that he thinks he can have the traditional religious high culture together with liberal capitalism. You can't. Look around you.
You got it! How can you claim freedom but be against T's
This .
@@vito7361 I just don't claim freedom
Excellently stated!
the way this video is cut is editing bait. it’s to get us to tune in tomorrow for the next part. oy.
Well we won't be doing that obviously. I got the impression of being spit on, smacked wildly and licked by some crazy old screaming mad man !!
I'm unsubscribing after I send this message. I couldn't even understand what the lunatic was trying to say. He needs medical help in my opinion
Spot on.
I had to turn on captions for this one
Maybe we should talk with Peterson "How Russia is destroying families?" - alcoholism, abortion, AIDS in Russia, abondoning of families. And still is only "A" letter...
Warm regards from Chiajna
But I like getting lost with Zizek
@Jerry Snowe but my apartment is on the 5th floor
What did he say in the cut in the middle of the video
Zizek looks like Freud already XD
I just can't stop thinking about this scenario: Let's say that the idea of normal on the western world (i.e. cultural hegemony) was dictated by capitalists who thought of doing a "Matrix (as in the film series) anomaly backend" which basically means: "dude communism isn't going away, so let's just made it part of our capitalist system and do something useful with it".
In order to do so, the powers that be, maybe, took some of the minor elements of communist thought, twisted in subtle ways (as to not to alert all left-leaning thought leaders) and made it look like the left was dominating the western world so that a reaction from the right would ensue... The purpose? Maintaining their power - since people in the western world would prefer fighting themselves instead of the higher echelon of power...
This would mean that every left leaning idealogue could be - at least partially - artificially made as an instrument of control for the current capitalist society - To divide and conquer.
Or maybe I'm really delusional and should go to sleep (sorry for my english - I'm not a native speaker)
That is exactly my take on this topic 💯👈🏾
Is completely wrong since Marxism even in any form is not something achievable at least in the next hundreds of years and that's something woke cult ideologues know pretty well. You cannot have Marxism without brainwashing people on a large scale. The idea that in the capitalist societies is a struggle for abuse and oppression is insane. Compare to what exactly?
I have pursued this line of thought, you may be on to something 🤔
interesting thought. It does really seem like the so-called "leftist" thoughts (such as in the form of toxic feminism, hate speech laws, etc) are dominating the West. As a result, the right is the one who is protecting freedom and traditional values while in fact, it is the top 1% who is controlling everything and maintaining the status quo.
This is true except there's no left leaning ideas at all. Look up McCarthyism
I don’t know what’s Zizek’s having, but he’s more off now that I’ve ever seen. Peterson didn’t advocate for Putin’s Russia as a bulwark against the degenerate West. In the Alex Friedman podcast he said that he sees Putin CONVINCED that he is acting as such, and that he has been able to convince of it to the rest of Russian population. He also was more concerned about misguided environmentalism than anything else, something that Zizek seems to skirt.
Also, what’s this about talking about Trumpist republicans as “neocons”? LOL we know who are the neocons, they are in both parties and they’ve traditionally advocated for war. That’s at odds with Trumpist candidates who are isolationists. Now, he may refer them as reactionary, but then concepts serve for a purpose. Many of those “Trumpist” or reactionary figures are also against unleashed economic liberalism to a degree, and they are not oblivious about their impact in the dissolution of the family. That’s why they are reactionary!
How the heck pretends Zizek that the left embraces so called “family values” (lol, I’m sorry but accepting an inordinate amount of family manifestations DO contribute to the dissolution of the family as a sociocultural and biological reproduction device) and politeness? I mean, the left (or what passes for left) has effectively occupied those nodes of power where their position on these issues can be manifested (culture institutions, academia, government agencies), and I have news for him: they not only don’t embrace family values but align themselves with the big capital on these issues. It’s very dandy of him to say that the left has to embrace family values without abandoning gay rights, when a majority of corporations, big and small, subscribe to the defence and promotion of so called “gay rights”. Reactionaries are not stupid, no matter your efforts to paint them as such, they see the damage that economic liberalism has done to the family and ALSO what these big corporations espouse and defend, perhaps not so altruistically.
BTW, what is left of the left if they sideline identity politics? It’s not like they’ve characterised themselves for the protection of worker’s rights and the material prosperity of the working class in the past two decades. Big corporations are more than happy to follow the “left” in identity issues as they help them to ignore more significant issues, and while the left is oblivious or complicit on this, reactionaries have noticed. So maybe the left should juggle things up to take over the right by the right, but I think it’s more important not to let the right to take you over by the left!
Anyways, those are my 2c.
You're blocking the fire exit
The left in america has no power
He references an episode of Petersons podcast
Does anyone know which episode off hand
I think that would be a Lex Fridman with JBP recent one?
Can someone reply with a timestamp of where anything was actually said In this video?
Start at 0:00 and work upwards
I always feel like he's going to have a seizure when he speaks. I can't
Exactly my thoughts: what did he say?!
Could someone explain a little more by what he meant by neo conservatives destroying the family more than gay rights etc. He started an interesting point but did not fully elaborate
Neo-con, neo liberalism, literally started with the idea that "there is no society".. Reducing the middle class fiscal power so that both parents needed to work. Rampant home ownership prices, focus on career over family and community. That`s what he means. Materialism is the religion of Neo-Cons
It's neoliberal capitalism beloved of neo-conservatives that destroys the family, rather than neocons themselves; ZIzek's argument would be that while neoconservatives love liberal economics, they fail to see that it simultaneously subverts and destroys their other love - traditional values. They live a kind of contradiction, not realising you can't have one without the destruction of the other. Here Zizek has previously referred to Marx's "all that's solid melts into air" (The Communist Manifesto) - the notion that capitalism has also always been highly transformative at a social level, upending and subverting what is "solid" (traditional ways of life, with traditional family forms a part of that). People above have made interesting points about the difficulty of sustaining a family in such difficult economic conditions as now, but Zizek has argued that neoliberalism also transforms us at a much more fundamtental, subjective level. We are encouraged in all areas of our life (including love) to think of ourselves as fluid, independent identities, constantly ready to shapeshift to meet new market imperatives. You might think about the ways that we constantly curate our social media identities, and how important these have become to our fundamental being in the world, including our work and love lives. This is a major shift noticeable over the past twenty years or so. I would even wonder whether the shift to "dating" apps set up purely for the sake of hookups - I think one called "tap dat" or something was recently Elle magazine's top recommended app for "dating" - is the logical extreme of this shift, in which "romantic" relationships are reduced to an endless sequence of strictly casual encounters, without ever reaching the stability of being "tied down". You see how traditional family life is very far from this idea of what "love" is. I would say finally, however, that Zizek rarely explains these kinds of connections in any detail, so it's often the work of readers to either take his word for it, or find a way to make it real.
Neo con's focus more on fighting and deprecating their enemy (LGBTQ) than on improving and supporting living situations for single mothers and father's, which is an increasing mode under which families appear on stage these times.
That's the way me read what Z said 🤔
If more than half of your salary is going towards rent, how are you supposed to have kids? If you work more than one job or work overtime, when are you supposed to socialize, meet someone, or have time to take care of children?
Id love to see them in a debate
yeah, they should have another debate.
This gentleman does a great impression of Sylvester the Cat.
It's an absurd assertion that we would need to "adopt" family values as if the left is completely void of them. What I hope he means to say is that we need to put an end to the exclusive propagandization of them on the right.
i feel like this guy is better in writing....
Yes, I concur with this lol.
What are you better in?
fantastic.
These things that Zizek said should be so so obvious to everyone - if we look closely. Too bad they aren't so it's of a huge importance to tell them!
Also, I feel like Putin would honr Peterson, but that would make it too obvious.
They shouldn't be so obvious to everyone. The left and the right are both pushing for communism in their own way, neither can see it - or in the case of the left some do and openly want it.
@@cassiusgolgotha2347 I would say totalitarianism.
And yes, most of them don't see it because the spirit of our time is very totalitarian, I feel.
@@jovanjanjic9029 That's fair. I've got a pretty large grey area between communism, fascism, and totalitarianism in my mind so it probably very well just falls into totalitarianism
@@cassiusgolgotha2347 They are all totalitarian. If you need to forcefully establish something in the country/world, whatever you are doing, you will have to apply totalitarian measures.
@@jovanjanjic9029 It’s obvious but it’s also ideological because it’s a focus on one side. All people from all factions including the left wing are fighting for totalitarianism. There is such a large amount of data on the left wing for example strongly supporting censorship. It’s totalitarianism all the way down. Where you say Putin would honor Peterson, many left wing dictators would and already had been honoring our left wing in this country openly and vocally.
Please. What's the Jordan Peterson video he is refering to? Adavanced thanks!
Advanced*
All that matters is preservation of unique ethnic groups. We will never surrender.
Peterson is a revered philosopher.
Sure
Just an approved zionist quack. 😉😎
2:50 lol
i think, that he is the kind of monster who points at the other monsters as a form of camouflage
@Just Chill He seems harmful to me, not because he is bad, but because he is smart enough to be effective.
We dont know that you arent the kind of monster who points at a monsters that points at monsters. Everyone thinks enemy bad and friend good. You believe a powerful proponent of ideas in opposition to the ones you support is a monster? Well, colour me surprised.
@@neththom999 ok, maybe you think that everything is relative, i dont know, i dont care, . . . .i am not talking about Zizek ideas, many of which i find very interesting. i think he is a monster because the means, and the forms he uses to present and defend his ideas. . . . . and maybe, just maybe, you are prejudging me.
@@ninguno817 Well, it's the youtube comment section, so yes. Prejudging is step one, then the thrashing of emotional limbs, then the crying, etc., but seriously, you're right, I have no idea what you are about. Now I'm confused as to what you meant though. I thought you were just making the garden variety accusation that a person who criticizes others must be projecting, or deflecting away from their own faults or something, which you can say about anyone, apropos of my point.
@@neththom999 Aha, you know what ?, i would like to know if Zizek, likes to you more than to me. couse in this case, it is possible that you have feel hurt by my comment, i still think that Zizek is a monster, in the good and the bad sense, and i dont pretend to win an argument. you just answered to my coment about Zizek, with a comment about me, and that leads to . . .nothing, dont you think ?
He's making less sense than usual and that's quite an accomplishment.
He's like modern art,smart people pretend to understand it.
No, it's more like dumb people pretend to understand it....
Moder art or digital BS 😂
I think he's one of the few political thinkers that does make sense. I think you just don't understand him.
@@99tizer99 I understand the rhetorical style perfectly. It's the content that's indeterminate in aggregate. In other words,each sentence makes perfect sense on it's own but when put together, form no coherent model either for action,or as a description of reality. Much of what he says means anything you want it to.
@@wilfredruffian5002 That's called schizophasia
Love to hear his insights put his voice is to annoying- guess I need to read his books
Thick accent plus chronic sinusitis does that to people
Zizek is the only Marxist I respect and it’s all because he ego checked Ts and told them they’re not revolutionary for being Ts
Radical lefties do not support T ideology. People confused liberal extremists with radical leftists. Even liberal extremists believe themselves to be rad left but they're not. You cannot support women's rights and T rights at the same time. T rights are inherently anti-woman.
Yayo does the body good.
Almost unwatchable because of the poor quality and choppy buffering.
No left, no right. Just good ideas and bad ones.
Daffy Duck is very intellectual.
Who?
The supranational union is strength.
Strength to who... the people have no choice under globalist regimes. It undermines democracy, nationalism, independence; and is overly idealistic and the leaders are not in-touch with their people.
@@user-03-gsa3 Everything you mentioned is still overly idealistic.
@@CynicalBastard EU countries have no ability to make real independent choices about their country. Do you disagree with this?
@@user-03-gsa3 It's not a matter of individuality, when we are talking a social ethic or an ethnic substance.
Peterson was in Russia for a period of time, for health issues. Something happened to him there and now he is biased. Maybe he got some kind of "golden shower" of his own ;p
Kompromat
I Can't follow this :-(
Concept of 'left' and 'right' needs to be revisited....the term does not work anymore....rather it should be believers in fairness and freedom vs totalitarian regime(whether in uniform or in drag...whether with guns or by more subtle means)
Are you fascism-curious? I'd bet "yes"
@@arisnotheles ukraine looks different depending on where your at. It's a startling demonstration of misinformation and propaganda in the US. Difficult to encounter anything but the official version. The US is pernicious. Russia is obviously terrible in it's capacity as well
We should be humanist.
Yes because MAPs are people too, right foucault? How's that working for us? It isn't. We should be killing the chickens to scare the monkeys. It works for China and izlamic states and they're doing well, we're trying to make it legal for weirdos to abuse our children when we should be working these monsters to death in lithium mines. Fck humanitarianism.
Watching lagging Slavoj Zizek over and over again will be my form of torture in hell. I am completely sure about that
No, you'll just wink out. Hardly anyone will notice.
Jordan Peterson is Don Quixote de La Mancha!
Trump is Sancho The Patsy! I knew nothing, it was all Jared’s fault! 🤡🤡🤡
@@JohnnyArtPavlou No, Sancho is the down-to earh peasant
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 I tried too hard.
I agree with JP on his view on hyper correctness, nonsenses like wagegap or patriarchy which no more exist, gender pronouns, modern fake feminism covering misandry and all those stupidities around progressive comrades and their strange vocabulary and nomenclature. But in this I think JP an SZ are in line.
They're not in line. JP thinks that some crazy marxist plot is the one pushing hypercorrectness and that a strongman like Putin is what's needed to revitalize society from the progressive rot.
SZ said no, its neoliberalism that destroyed family and make life meaningless, not homosexual academics. And strong men like Putin won't revitalize society, they will simply ban any reporting of the rot and go to wars
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 I said they are quite in line in their view on hypercorrectness not Putin.
so is the rest of free world
Life is God gift
Life is who's gift? A fictional character's gift? To everyone ever? Happy Xmas, dumdum.
slavaj is a briliant mess. with the tiks and grammar structure. peterson riddled with anger and whatever from his health catastrophie. no holy alters please. always interesting.
Idk if Peterson is a characteristicly angry person 🤔
@@lolgamez9171 We'll see who cancels who
Both different recipes for great thought
@@lolgamez9171 depends on wether his favorite sports magazine has a woman on the cover that is atractive to him or not
@@stefvanroey8191 Or a published profile on a certain recently ßelf-styled man in Hollywood. Agreed, much of these things need not necessarily be commented on, but at least there's someone still willing enough to say what many are thinking if for no other reason than to remind the peddlers of the mainstream that the majority is not buying it, regardless of how unacceptable criticism of the point is considered.
He is so right.
I don’t think he touched his nose
Made me more confused
Is that true or are you the same amount of confused? You need more interaction.
I thought Žižek went on Aljazeera and called leftists who fixate on neolibs "stupid". What is he saying here exactly?
I think zizek try to suggest to leftist to lead and unite the anti-neoliberal movement. Leftist is losing their war if they let this movement lead by some populist and not themselves. This battle of popular issue has to be won.
He's suggesting that leftists should stop being degenerates and adopt politeness and family values.
@@yarpenzigrin1893 Leftists can be familiy oriented and polite and still be degenerates i some way.
Poor eternal teenagers
What you Georgian mean?
well alright, a bit of a clickbait thumbnail
I'd love to know how liberalism "destroyed" the family, but I guess we'll never know because apparently it's obvious.
The Family unit is unnatural. Liberalism destroyed it by liberating the savage and impulsive instincts which were in people all along!
There's so many ways in which economic liberalism contributes to the "destruction of the family". Just think about little children that cannot be raised by their own parents as both work insane hours every week. Lack of childcare support, lack of proper maternity and paternity leaves, women still losing their jobs when they get pregnant... These are just some of the byproducts of economic liberalism that create the perfect environment for family dismantlement.
Raising children is a lot of unpaid work, so it's detrimental to making a career in the private sector. The decline of real wages over the last decades (due to "Reaganomics", declining union membership, etc.) and housing market speculation have made it impossible for most couples to feed a whole family with just one income. Socialist/social democratic policies, like free public daycare, social housing, higher minimum wages, or shorter working days would solve those problems for young families: Parents would have more time for their children and more stable incomes to feed them. Btw, this is part of the reason why France has higher birth rates than most neighboring countries: They still have an actual welfare state.
When you consider the high cost of home ownership and starting and maintaining a family home under neoliberal regimes and surveillance Capitalism it becomes obvious that family values are becoming undermined by Liberalism.
*neoliberal, he's referring to weakening labor and dismantling welfare.
Every time I have listened to this spasmodic Slav, a psychoanalytic phrase comes to mind..."There is no greatness without narcissism, but there is a lot of narcissism without greatness".
How great is Peterson!
‘spasmodic Slav’ tells me you don’t really grasp or accept what Peterson is about.
@@widsof7862 And what is Peterson about according to you?
@@tonobehnke5885 someone who can make an arguement without having to make personal insults, which shows his capacity to do that. Making personal comments about him being ‘spasmodic’ due to his tics, probably says more about how you think than it does Peterson, i’ve never seen him behave like that, he doesn’t disrespect people in that way from what i have seen, in fact he appears to represent the opposite and focus on content, which is really all that’s relevant to any debate about ideas.
@@widsof7862 It seems to me that you did not understand anything.
well that hardly adds clarity.
I think that might be a misrepresentation of Peterson? I may remember incorrectly, but I believe Peterson's point was more that this is how Putin can market himself and his rule to the people, not necessarily that he had a positive effect on the world.
THIS IS THE REALEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD
Probably need to define "conservative" here.
Aparently they don't have decent Internet in Slovenia...
calling Le Penn a Neo liberal is ridiculous. So is this man.
Wiki: On economic policy, Le Pen favours protectionism as an alternative to free trade.[9] She supports economic nationalism,[10] the separation of investment and retail banking,[11] and energy diversification,[12] and is opposed to the privatization of public services and social security,[13][14][15] speculation on international commodity markets,[13] and the Common Agricultural Policy.[16]
Well, that does not sound neoliberal at all.
If only he said any statements. He attacks but is always afraid of making proclamations. Not a true argument. Then circles around to families and gay rights and nonsense that is not contextual.
... ect. ect.
@@sirotahaggen 😄
Why anyone gives Peterson the time of day is beyond me.
He's controlled (zionist approved) opposition. 😉
Loyalty to God and Family detracts from loyalty to the State, therefore antithetical to communism. The Family unit, and faith in God, is necessary for humanity to move forward.
Faith in god and the state works the same way. Faith is what keeps humanity stuck in a loop. It will only get worse if people try to force the delusion of faith weather is in communist or Christian dogma.
Stop being an idiot bro. Can you imagine family values can be built in a society that doesn't even have health insurance? look around you. who destroys family values? It is an economic system ; how the economy function. regardless of ideology. this point is what zizek is trying to convey to you
That ship has sailed. Restoration of the past has been tried over and over throughout history, it never works. It usually brings on something entirely different, with uninented consequences. Unfortunately we experience time in one direction only
God and State are interchangeable in representing a Big Other. Both can control through ideology. Material politics is the only way out.
Just eat, same time, doesn't matter I'll eat whatever...similar they have bots
Isn't there a AI tool to make him more easy to listen to?
Anybody care to clarify how is neo-liberal economy destroying family values?
You don't think the buisness behind woke media and leftist talking points pushing a brand new, fresh, and alien ideology of neo-liberalism haven't tarnished American family values at all?
@@T_Crusader I find it hard to reconcile any form of (economic) liberalism with the left. I also don't live in the US so it's hard for me to tell what exactly you're aiming at. Žižek's point, if I understood correctly, is that the capitalism is a bigger enemy of the family than the left.
That is weird how I had the exact same reaction as Slavoj when I heard about Peterson's recent comments.
I know he's smart but this interview gave me PTSD......
I think the issue with zizek claim that Jordan should have said we should be militarily ready and Russia awaken should awaken us ,is how he has misinterpreted him. I believe zizek takes the individual centric advices from JP to a political level . I mean he generalises the rules jp gives to people to the whole political structure. This is wrong but quite natural from zizek as he is prone to politicise even individual centric tips because ‘he’s a political philosopher’ , that’s why he thinks like that. Jp is a prolific clinical psychologist and his 12 rules are great as I can see in my own life. His advice best suite from an individual perspective .Zizek makes an induction from these rules that JP is a neo-conservatist , He’s has repeatedly said he’s not a conservatism , he says he makes a case for the left to the left how to function properly. We should get another debate with him and jp to clarify a bit to the general public . Zizek is also not that crazy left which is basically now the mainstream left😂
"jp is not conservative". this guy right here...
JP suffers from the same problem where he tries to fit the whole world into his individual centric model of chaos and order. He is very clearly conservative in his position, but tries to portray that he himself is neither conservative nor liberal, but it's science and psychology that validate conservative postions anyway.
Interesting comment :)
You called JP non-conservative literally on the very day he published his "manifesto for conservatives".
And it's not Zizek who is blowing up JP's self-help-schtick into politics. The man is doing it himself all the time and within every topic imaginable.
I am still learning and trying to make my mind up about what is going on. One thing I see happening is corporate capitalism, rampant consumerism, elite billionaires, lockdowns and vaccine mandates, sexual revolution (including mass contraception, abortion and porn the promotion of lgbtq ( i have nothing against people who are gay or have gender disphoria but promoting as if it is a lifestyle choice for vulnerable kids and effectively elevating it to the point of paramount importance whereas there are more important things like aforementioned corporate wealth capture ), a destruction of family life ( divorce, low marriage rate, low birth rate, kids shoved into day care before a year old, elderly shoved into homes, lgbtq agenda etc), clamp down kn free speech and cancellation culture, the dilution of sovereign nationhood and culture diversity, the influence of supranational unelected organisations creating further centralisation and control. Listen to the speech by Giorgia Meloni the new Italian PM. She encapsulates what is happening perfectly. Globalism versus national sovereignty. Machine system v human culture. Am I barking up the wrong tree?
Giorgia Meloni says true things but the problem is she still believes in feminist principles that allow her to participate in politics, when she should be at home raising her children if family values are what what she truly believes in.
you're spreading bullshit. Meloni will absolutely destroy Italy or will get nothing done. She's a neo fascist. Vaccines are necessary and we never had a lock down like they do in China because China is a right wing authoritarian regime who isn't afraid to kill you if needed. Elderly people need functional good senior homes with proper care. But they don't have it due to the capitalist profit maker who don't pay their staff well enough. So the homes and care decline. We need lower birth rate in the world cuz we're fucking up the planet. Stop your fearmongering
@@ubermensch4304 well, the gate was opened
To all the JP fans in the comments; welcome to the leftist pipeline! Make yourself comfortable, grab some equal rights, solidarity or class consciousness if you like. Racism is left at the door and *whispers* best not mention Stalin's purges for the more explosive types among the crowd. If you like this Zizek fella you should hear what the guy with the big-ass beard and sideburns has to say, he's my personal favourite, can reccomend. If you're ever lost just make your way through all the pride flags towards the gender-entity, they will help you with directions. Be careful not to misgender them though, you might get CANCELLED! Haha, I'm just pulling your leg, see you around!
Loser
Well to be fair, we all do that. If we all do that, why can't Peterson and Musk and Putin do that? We're all equal people. :D
I can smell him from here
You should look up what is meant by "projection" in the field of psychology
@@Addeladle-St-James jahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahaha
......... is that it? Cool stuff...
Slavoj rockin that sick golf swag
Peterson has gone fully insane and it really is bizarre to watch.
Yes... he has certainly become...bizarre. Genetically Modified Sceptics last video was a fine example of this. So will not further my thinking here. Go watch the video.
This opinion is proof of a low IQ. Good look for your future endeavors
It's so bizzare to hear some aging Canadian college professor say stuff like "Up yours, woke moralists! We'll see who cancels who" with full sincerity.
Some people are saying that Peterson has gone mad though I he has been around for a long time and it doesn't seem like that he has changed that much really in his views. I think he was also a far right idealogue though he knew how to sell himself to those in "polite" society and so many people seem to have fallen for it, now that this is going away they are suddenly saying "Peterson has gone fully insane".
@@doc7000 what is far right about his views? I'm sure he doesn't think himself as far right neither the people who like him, think he is
I agree with Zizek, neoliberalism is just vulgar on his way to claim they have more moral virtues than progressists
Sylvester the cat with strong opinions and bad connection
the bad connection is really not helping.
Jordan Peterson is intellectually struggling, that is for sure. It is a sign of trouble in itself, that his contrived, incoherent pseudo babblings are absorbed by so many.
He a scietis
Actually the same wa could say about Hitler. He did not start the war to occupy territories but to defend German nation against values of roting West. Shame to see Jordan Petterson repeating Russia propaganda. Now I see him not as person worthing to hear.
Comparing Jordan to nazi?😂I thought you people stopped doing that 😂
@@YashRaj-fm8sz May be you use you brain on this one
@@antonbeloborodov5130 I have , maybe you haven’t
@@YashRaj-fm8sz e May be you have but you talking like you have not.
@@antonbeloborodov5130 it may seem to you . Ideologies blind people
You need an umbrella talking to that guy
its literally just lisp combined with slovenian accent
Communism are The Windmills in Jordan Peterson's battle!
I love Peterson, but I don't agree with everything he believes. I wish he would have another talk with Zizek or even a debate.
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Is time ? Hahahahaha. Left when to far and know want to change your mind ? In the name of the progress never you can go back.