@@hertsu7467 iirc poison is super effective against bug in gen 1 so weedle would easily win the caterpie matchup that being said, the caterpie player could always pull out a switch into the incredibly threatening pidgey
@@megatennepster3833 gen 1 games make it so that you COULD TECHNICALLY do Koga as your 3rd gym. dont but you could. meaning you could get Hitmonchan for gym 3. also in FRLG you can get Hitmons before gym 4
It's surprisingly strong and somewhat bulky, and in later gen it gets access to options against both Electric (with his Hidden Ability) and Grass (with Peck + Mega Horn).
Goldeen is surprisingly strong in Little Cup and one of the best Chinchou counters thanks to Lightning Rod and Drill Run. Bulk and attack are decent, 17 speed is really good (especially in draft leagues) and it has even got Flip Turn in Gen 8.
Been experimenting with the 9U lead metagame. Magikarp is completely unrivalled. Nothing can deal with it's fierce tackles as the fastest mon in the tier
Every single pokemon introduced makes me laugh "Golden is a *solid* water type" "Meowth is a lot like Tauros" "The only Mon in the tier that can learn hyperbeam" "It's explosion even has a chance to OHKO Beedrill!"
@@robertlupa8273 Scyther also has such crazy high stats for the tier too that it's banned. Probably because Gen 1 had the least idea of what made a Pokémon strong stat and move wise and hard to know if Scyther always intended to have an evolution later anyway.
I was wondering where Machoke went if 6U is dominated by Machamp, but only Machop is allowed in 7U. Turns out, Machamp is so good in 6U that it's worth running Machoke _alongside_ _it._
@@hawkticus_history_corner meh, theres so many better late game cleaners persians a great one, tauros if it lives, any strong psychic if they are still alive, and more niche (less than machamp) options like kingler, kabuto, etc. But play what you want, i find myself using Persian and kingler more than id like to admit
@@BeeEmpress When they first created UU they were worried that it would be just made up of the lower stage evolutions of OU pokemon. Even though it's not true(Pupitar and Shellgon are never going to replace Tyranitar or Salamance) there hadn't really been a lower tier like that before, and so they wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen.
@@navadax4541 It's kind of dumb logic though I could understand in the case of Chansey since it's essentially Blissey minus the Special Attack and slightly better Special Defense though it's banned from UU anyway.
Meowth being a menace to society is completely believable, I like messing around in gen 1 randbats a lot and Meowth's probably the best unevolved pokemon besides Abra there purely because of it's fast slash being pretty decent at revenge killing low health pokemon. I'll gladly take it over like, Machop or something.
Fun story: The very first time I played Crystal back as a kid, I managed to get up to Kanto right before the Elite Four, but I missed the Waterfall HM in Ice Cave, so me, without internet and without knowing where the Waterfall HM was, resorted to my players guide for Red and BLue, which, blessedly, told me that the Goldeen line could learn Waterfall by leveling up. So I caught and raised a Seaking in gen 1, taught it the move, traded it up to Gen 2, and had it carry me through Tohjo falls with it's natural waterfall. I will forever have a soft spot for Seaking because of this.
I kinda want to see something like this done for other gens, like, make a new tier and once there's nothing left that's viable in your tier make one below it until you run out of Pokemon. Imma go become Gen 3 26U champ.
didnt realise that someone made 7U. I ran the tiering process on pokemon perfect... we only went down to 6U though. I guess someone must have made 7U for fun in the meantime, but it was never official. I do think that we should extend the tiering in each generation as far as it can be pushed though.
damn this comment got more likes than the entire number of people who contributed to the tiering project in any way while it was active on pokemon perfect lol
Well I think they sort of are what you would expect from a low tier. In gen 7 and 8, even ZU have pokemon that are ment to be competitive (even if they completely suck). Like when the worst tier has Uxie, Articuno, miltank or rhydon as part of the meta and where stoutland isn't even viable, then there is something wrong in the tiering system.
I've always wanted to play a competitive metagame where each pokemon is legal but scored in a way that each pokemon is worth points (Ex: Mewtwo would be worth 6 while Squirtle would be worth 1) and your overall team can't exceed 12 points. So you can have a team with 2 ubers, fights a team of 5 UU pokemon and stuff like that.
magic the gathering has a similar concept in a format called canadian highlander, where powerfull cards are given points and you can only have so many strong cards. i dobt play it and i feel for the people who have to do the balancing but it seems fun
This reminds me of the time me and my friends made a fake tier below gen 5's ZU tier. We called it "SU", standing for "Shouldn't Use". Magcargo, Cubone, and Wormadam Trash are actually pretty solid options there.
SU is actually the name people use for the tier below ZU! although it stands for "subzeroused". Lame. It's very cool how the tier's name was created teice completely independently
Honestly, I laughed at his surprise at that fact. I think that most people just forget about it because it's exclusive to Goldeen and Seaking in gen1, and those 2 aren't exactly good Pokemon
Waterfall used to be Seaking's signature move. It was just weaker than surf, and completely pointless. Didn't become a decent move until Gen 4. If you wanna be cute, you could teach a Mon waterfall in Gen 2, then trade it back to Gen 1, so other Pokemon can know the move. ... or you could just use surf.
I think Smogon's Gen 1 entry on the move actually used to read "Use Surf" lol. They've changed it since, but every time I remember it I internally laugh a bit
I was about to dispute this fact, but no. Gen-4 didn't just gift it the physical/special, that's also where Waterfall gained its flinch chance. Seriously, for those first three generations it might have been the most pointlessly redundant move in the game... and two of those generations had the audacity to make it a mandatory HM, an HM you always aquire after Surf no less.
@@EmeralBookwise Since you mention it, I'm not even sure as to how viable pre-split Waterfall would be if it already had the flinch chance. Would Surf still outclass it solely on being stronger? (The flinch is a 20%, isn't it? If it were a 30%, I'd probably be more willing to bet Waterfall would be relevant). While on the topic of HMs, Gen 2 and Gen 3 not only both committed the sin of making Waterfall a required HM you get after Surf (worse yet, in Gen 2, you only need it once in terms of advancing the story, and Gatr couldn't even learn it at the time, so Totodile pickers have to waste a team slot on another Water type). They also both committed the sin of having a THIRD Water HM that's EVEN more useless in combat. Dive is just weak (it was 60 power until Gen 4 raised it to 80) whereas Whirlpool is a partial-trapping move, which... unlikely to be handy in the story unless you're running some sort of gimmick. I've actually heard people make the case that Whirlpool should have been a Dragon-type move instead (and presumably stronger), which considering how few Dragon-type moves there were at the time, I'm tempted to agree.
@@asterlux4899: Surf would have probably been better regardless, but at least with flinch Waterfall could have had niche corner uses. Especially for anything that also had a reliable paralysis move. And, yeah, the fact that we had two games in a row with three water type HMs was always pretty egregious. Gen-2 unequivocally being the worse offender with how little use those extra HMs even have. Only ever being needed once each for story progression. Just one more reason Johto is so much better in Gen-4. Not only did Feraligatr finally get Waterfall, doubly blessed now that it worked off its superior physical stat, but I can also just dump whirlpool on my HM slave Furret. No clue why Furret of all things got that move added to its repertoire, but I sure as heck ain't complaining.
1:43 - ditto holding random garbage is a+ meme potential This tier looks like some of the stupidest crap ever and tbh I think I love it. I've become very delighted in the bizarre uses of low tier mons for a while now (ARIADOS SUPREMACY) and love looking at the low tiers in later gens to see funny garbage and this is basically that combined with Gen 1 grade Stupid™.
RBY LC UU is the memeiest tier I've ever seen (more like an NU though). Eleven legal pokemon. Eleven. Jigglypuff, Cubone, Zubat, Venonat, Goldeen, Ekans, Nidoran-M, Nidoran-F, Caterpie, Weedle, and Magikarp. Nido-F is outclassed by Nido-M and the last 3 are... yeah, so it's more like 7 viable. Their movesets are so poor that mimic is common. In this gen mimic copies a random move, and it's to the point where venonat runs 2 garbage filler moves just so mimic doesn't get something good (not like it has anything better). Psychic has super-effective coverage on half the tier and neutral coverage on everything. Jigglypuff has *super-effective* coverage on all the relevant mons except for itself. It's actually silly.
By the way, if you want a quick list of the legal mons to send someone, here you go! Top 8: Meowth Charmeleon Tentacool Ivysaur Rhyhorn Golbat Beedrill Hitmonchan Niche Picks: Voltorb Clefairy Nidorino Goldeen Venonat Shellder Psyduck Doduo Farfetch'd Grimer Potentially Niche: Geodude Gloom Kabuto Koffing Krabby Jigglypuff Nidorina Pidgeotto Rattata Squirtle Mostly Unviable: Bellsprout Bulbasaur Caterpie Cubone Ditto Eevee Ekans Growlithe Kakuna Magikarp Magnemite Mankey Machop Metapod Nidoran M + F Oddish Paras Pidgey Spearow Vulpix Weedle Zubat
Lotta fighting game updates, kof’s dlc, testament back after a decade and a half ultimax being back after just as long and sfv’s crazy final patch. I’m really curious how you feel about all this. Specially ultimax. Best fighting game grappler of all time with kanji.
What about A team tier format? Like me and my homies were making fun of this right wing friend of ours saying he even looks like that skinhead one from Gen1 they changed the regional name of. Forgot what they called it in dub. But than he was like "well you'd be a fire breather cause you look like a clown and all you do is smoke and have sex with trans like Hunter Biden" (apparently I was supposed to be ashamed of this lol) Which trainers would win in such a match up with equal pokemon levels? Wait there's a video on that too someone ran with an AI lol
What we have left is, assuming it excludes everything in the video: Bellsprout, Bulbasaur, Caterpie, Charmander, Cubone, Ditto, Eevee, Ekans, Geodude, Gloom, Growlithe, Kabuto, Kakuna, Koffing, Krabby, Jigglypuff, Machop, Magikarp, Magnemite, Mankey, Metapod, Oddish, Nidoran (both), Nidorino, Paras, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Rattata, Spearow, Squirtle, Vulpix, Weedle, Zubat Basically, you end up with a Little Cup tier with a lot of stuff banned and Nidorina, Gloom, Pidgeotto, the cocoons, and Ditto being legal. Though of that crowd, only the former three would actually do anything of significance.
Of course Meowth is an absolute menace. Remember his gen 1 signature super Meowth attack where he threw a bucket of water at Onix and made him go AAHHH? Oh boy I want to see the alt universe where he was playable in Smash 64.
@@The_Vanni because he's much more universal than many other pokemon in OU. Ground+Flying+intimidate with those stats lets it fit on almost any team as either a sweeper, bulky physical attacker, or a physical wall and pivot. Many other OU staples are restricted to specific team types. Take TTar, you won't see him on anything but sand teams. There are other pokemon that are quite universal, such as ferrothorn, but at least he's not on literally every team in VGC as well.
@@mainzer45 yeah but he can only do one thing at a time. it's not like he is overcentralizing and people are running dedicated landorus checks, he can be dealt with things people are usually already running in good teams and he should never win any games on his own unlike actual threats such as urshifu-s and gen 4 garchomp, wich actually is a prime example of a mon that was allowed to come back due to how landorus walls him
@@The_Vanni While this is true, I'm mostly stating that he has so many playstyles because it allows him to fit on almost any team style, which is why you see him on almost any team, and why people are tired of seeing him.
I love these kinds of videos about the lower tiers. Someone could talk about the history of OU and Ubers and I’d probably zone out half way through, but the moment someone starts talking about how Cryogonal was the best rapid spinner in gen 6 PU and was a great check to the tier’s special attackers then I’m all ears!
I think the fun part of talking about lower tiers is how unpredictable their meta is and this definitely takes the cake for the weirdest tier ever Like when will you hear of Meowth treathening an entire metagame with *slash* and *bubble beam* of all things
I don't play competitive, and I have no interest in starting, but watching videos just about gen 1 is somehow so enjoyable. Those clunky, janky, glitchy games are so dear to my heart.
Can I just say I absolutely adore your pokemon videos? I mean I like it all, started watching with fighting game garbage, but something about the pokemon videos is always an insta watch. Thanks for all the hard work.
12:02 Yes! They also learn it in gen 3, and I remember looking at move guides as a kid and being amazed at the possibility of not needing to get the HM, I think it may be the only HM move that was learnt though leveling
@@DMSwordsmaster Wow cool! I love how they put flavor over mechanics with these. In the case of Salamence, I think you cannot access Bagon before getting the Fly HM though
In black and white 2, the abyssal ruins is meant to be a postgame thing you can do to get basically infinite money. You need dive to enter, and you only get the HM in the postgame. However, wailmer/wailord get the move by levelup and you can just grind one up and get access to the area very early
@@TheLuxma And Rayquaza comes with Fly, IIRC. Seaking learning Waterfall by level up was actually relevant in one of the Smallant vs. Pointcrow Emerald load zone randomizer races; one of the locations that needed to be visited in order to beat the run happened to be behind a load zone that required Waterfall to reach, but due to the randomizer mucking things up a bit, the HM for Waterfall was unavailable. Smallant won the race by catching a wild Goldeen (or was it a Seaking?) and grinding it up until it learned Waterfall.
I’ve been playing RBY 9U for a while and I gotta say, Lead Magikarp is completely broken; it has by far the highest speed in the tier and that Tackle, while not stab, can likely 3HKO meta defining threats like Caterpie, Kakuna, and Paras. I feel like something has to be done to save the meta from this monster.
@@VimeC Why are you wasting tackle pp on KAKUNA?! You only need 3 shots to reliably break make it suicide through struggle against your own kakuna. Just use splash, it's not like you'd be keeping your Magikarp if it had psting available, so at worst you're moving second from sshot (iirc psting + sshot is still considered a legal alternative to harden, though it'll probably be banned to 8U soon as it's pretty strong). Just wait it out until you know it has 7 pp left, then swap to kakuna and harden for max def to tank the struggles.
@@shinyaltaria1388 yeah but you can't learn harden if you evolve in RBY, move relearner wasn't introduced and psting, sshot, and harden are all lvl1 only so you have to choose between the sting shot set and harden set. Kakuna became solidly 8U in GSC due to that change, as it can threaten to poison everything in that tier and can finally pp stall some mons.
Kinda wish Smogon would put some of these old niche tiers and battle styles on an alternate list, so people can know about them and play them. Honestly RBY 7U looks interesting.
i think what i realized i love about formats like these is that they have this feeling of "my friends and i are still playing the games and we have like four gym badges and we're just gonna battle and chill" lol
if you lead with ditto in 8U you can turn the mirror match on its head, your opponent can't guarantee an easy kakuna surprise on you anymore, and it frees up your kakuna for a late game string shot sweep.
Finally all of my childhood favorites, and my weird design preferences for gloom and Nidorino above their evolutions can finally be viable or niche but usable
It never ceases to amaze me how laughably terrible Fighting types were in RBY. I can't express how disappointed I was as a young kid when Hitmonlee couldn't wipe out growlithes, let alone Gym Leaders, let alone Stadium, when he was my all time favorite Mon at the time. Game Freak knew this and didn't have time to rebalance it, i'm convinced of that between their RBY "gym" and the changes in Gen 2 lol
I laughed for the entire remainder of the video after 3:58 Just repeating “I beed my ped” over and over again like the idiot I am. My god, that’s FUCKING *hilarious*
Been quite liking seeing both fighting game and pokemon videos, i don't play pokemon competitively but i enjoy how you analize the meta in a chill and understandable way.
absolutely love the pokemon videos, so few people talk about gen 1, especially not in as fun and interesting a way, also enjoy seeing what colour of nails we're getting on any given video
This is a weird compliment but I love your videos because you do really in depth analysis but are really blunt about things. Like you'll give precise numbers and stuff and then afterwards you'll just say "yeah this is fucking shit" and it's so fucking funny
As an enthusiast of what I would call jank in all of my competitive games, this genuinely sounds like a lot of fun. This gives a lot of Pokémon I genuinely love and remember fondly, especially as a kid, but who get overshadowed in the face of a lot of things. Thank you for this video!
Honestly pretty wild that Rhydon is top tier in OU but Rhyhorn is all the way down in 7U, you'd think it would see play in at least one of the higher tiers
rhyhorn has weirdly underwhelming stats compared to rhydon. like, with rhydon's massive attack stat, you'd think rhyhorn would have at least 100 base attack or something
The reason 7U is healthy is that all the Pokémon in the tier are in the grand scheme of things equally trash. They are just going against Pokémon that are also equally trash.
Such an underrated channel. I grew up with RBY and was far too young to participate in competitive (Raichu with Thunder, Thunderbolt, Surf, and Thunder Wave? Sign me up!), so seeing these analyses have been entertaining and informative. Same goes for the fighting game videos. Keep up the amazing work!
This video is amazing, as some Pokémon I do like seem to be down here, namely Hitmonchan and Golbat. I discovered your channel very late, but I do like your descriptions as you know your shit.
As a beedril enjoyer, it's cool to me that it has a place here. No clue if this exists, but it'd be cool if there were some kind of web tool where you could put in a list of your favourite pokemon, and get a result of the tiers where your boys are most viable
i love meowth being a menace in this tier, meowth is a fun mischevous pokemon in general and i’m glad to see him shine! i’m surprised he doesn’t get the prankster ability tbh
Bro I been watching your channel crazy the last two days (just decided to get into comp battling) and your videos are really good. The way you introduced meowth as the meta defining Pokémon was gold.
You joke, but I'm somewhat curious about a meta where both teams would be required to run Caterpie/Weedle/Metapod/Kakuna/Magikarp/Ditto, which are almost certainly the six worst Pokemon in the game. Harden seems overpowered, but on the other hand, poison damage from Poison Sting DOES ignore it. Either way Kakuna's definitely the best in that metagame due to bulk and having access to both and poison immunity
Ditto could actually see some decent usage, because besides Metapod it has the highest HP in the tier (50 to Ditto's 48) and thus could use Transform to become a better version of any team member (preferably Kakuna)
If 8U isn't actually real, I want it to be made real so we can get a video about it. Also, clefairy's being absolute bottom tier is so weird to think of with its being one of the highest-ranking unevolved pokémon circa gen 6.
3:12 Ah, I had almost forgotten how CRUSTY some of the gen 1 sprites were. Some were amazing like evee or pigeotto. . . But then you got ones like mankee or machop lol
So many Fighting types down here. If only Karate Chop was Fighting. Seriously, go to the Showdown Damage Calc and see what happens when you do that. It's nutty
i cant wait until the rby community comes up with an 8U tier so we can finally see the potential of jigglypuff and rattata
We need a 9U where Caturpie is the only mon
@@thatkirbodude and weedle
@@hertsu7467 iirc poison is super effective against bug in gen 1 so weedle would easily win the caterpie matchup
that being said, the caterpie player could always pull out a switch into the incredibly threatening pidgey
@@thatkirbodude Caterpie would be too OP,only metapod and kakuna whom only knows defense curl or harden
So lc?
This is really just the "I have 3 gym badges" tier
and then hitmonchan
@@megatennepster3833 gen 1 games make it so that you COULD TECHNICALLY do Koga as your 3rd gym.
dont but you could. meaning you could get Hitmonchan for gym 3. also in FRLG you can get Hitmons before gym 4
@@joelsmemes4140 that's a nice bit of trivia.
@@megatennepster3833 XD hitmonchan is so trash that it wouldn't be used if it was legal in rby lc
@@joelsmemes4140 you get the eevee too
i cant believe hitmonchan sucks so much that even when its finally viable its still less defining than meowth
"Goldeen is a decent water type" are words I'd never even think could go in this order in a sentence without a negative in the middle
It's surprisingly strong and somewhat bulky, and in later gen it gets access to options against both Electric (with his Hidden Ability) and Grass (with Peck + Mega Horn).
I mean, it can be if you have RNGesus sucking you off and hit 5 horn drills in a row
Goldeen is surprisingly strong in Little Cup and one of the best Chinchou counters thanks to Lightning Rod and Drill Run. Bulk and attack are decent, 17 speed is really good (especially in draft leagues) and it has even got Flip Turn in Gen 8.
This entire video is a gold mine for sentences I never thought I'd hear in my life
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Yeah, but peck is garbage....
Been experimenting with the 9U lead metagame. Magikarp is completely unrivalled. Nothing can deal with it's fierce tackles as the fastest mon in the tier
Your Magikarp is just set-up fodder for my harden Metapod.
@@androsp9105 Wait, didn’t Metapod get banned?
Just won my first 10U tournament, there are no Pokemon, we hit eachother with Game Boys until only one remains
By 11U its just a staring contest
@@christopherbrewer6972 12U is who can live the longest
Matches can take years
Naming Golem "left nut" and Voltorb "right nut" crack me up so much
"I beed my ped" had me laughing every time I saw it
I find it funny that the Golem/Rhydon debate in RBY OU is basically mirrored all the way in 7U with their pre evolutions lmao.
and all the baby swords dancers too which i found adorable! kabuto and crabby lol
This tier is just a ditto who used transform on the entirety of RBY OU
And the rhydon line still won
And it's still the Bulk vs Explosion debate
Every single pokemon introduced makes me laugh
"Golden is a *solid* water type"
"Meowth is a lot like Tauros"
"The only Mon in the tier that can learn hyperbeam"
"It's explosion even has a chance to OHKO Beedrill!"
I love the enthusiastic It has a CHANCE to OHKO beedrill! Beacuse well its beedrill
Meowth being compared to Tauros was not something I was expecting to hear today
To be fair, Persian is pretty much a tauros derivative in ou so it makes sense
Little Cup is kinda funny for that too since some baby mons are straight up oppressive like Gastly
@@caldw615 To be fair, Gastly has like 100 Special [Attack]
@@robertlupa8273 Scyther also has such crazy high stats for the tier too that it's banned. Probably because Gen 1 had the least idea of what made a Pokémon strong stat and move wise and hard to know if Scyther always intended to have an evolution later anyway.
@@caldw615notable pokemon that are banned from LC are pokemon that got an evolution in gen 2 and the diaper baby with pure power
The point for beedrill being just "can't" is too funny to me for some reason.
I was wondering where Machoke went if 6U is dominated by Machamp, but only Machop is allowed in 7U. Turns out, Machamp is so good in 6U that it's worth running Machoke _alongside_ _it._
What the heck that's nutty lol
Machamp also has a use in OU as an end game cleaner with Low Kick
@@hawkticus_history_corner meh, theres so many better late game cleaners
persians a great one, tauros if it lives, any strong psychic if they are still alive, and more niche (less than machamp) options like kingler, kabuto, etc. But play what you want, i find myself using Persian and kingler more than id like to admit
@@halfpace1462 machamp is harder to predict so it has slightly more versatility. tauros and persian are still better.
From being too bad for rby 7U to being banned from adv UU, Kakuna has truly seen an insane transformation
Why did they pass that clause dude
@@BeeEmpress When they first created UU they were worried that it would be just made up of the lower stage evolutions of OU pokemon. Even though it's not true(Pupitar and Shellgon are never going to replace Tyranitar or Salamance) there hadn't really been a lower tier like that before, and so they wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen.
@@navadax4541 It's kind of dumb logic though I could understand in the case of Chansey since it's essentially Blissey minus the Special Attack and slightly better Special Defense though it's banned from UU anyway.
Scyther: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t hear that
@@agentblackbird9435 scizor is almost an entirely different Pokémon the only similarity is the attacking stat they use and the bug typing
Meowth being a menace to society is completely believable, I like messing around in gen 1 randbats a lot and Meowth's probably the best unevolved pokemon besides Abra there purely because of it's fast slash being pretty decent at revenge killing low health pokemon. I'll gladly take it over like, Machop or something.
It's better than persian because it's faster than it.
Poliwag would like a word with you
@@wertyxq3468 what
Gen 1 ranbats best unevolved in this order IMO : abra, poliwag, meowth
What about ghastly
Fun story: The very first time I played Crystal back as a kid, I managed to get up to Kanto right before the Elite Four, but I missed the Waterfall HM in Ice Cave, so me, without internet and without knowing where the Waterfall HM was, resorted to my players guide for Red and BLue, which, blessedly, told me that the Goldeen line could learn Waterfall by leveling up. So I caught and raised a Seaking in gen 1, taught it the move, traded it up to Gen 2, and had it carry me through Tohjo falls with it's natural waterfall. I will forever have a soft spot for Seaking because of this.
This is a blessed story
this is what the devs intended
I kinda want to see something like this done for other gens, like, make a new tier and once there's nothing left that's viable in your tier make one below it until you run out of Pokemon. Imma go become Gen 3 26U champ.
Bro. Gen 7 99U is where it’s at!
What about Gen 9 278U NATD? Minun and Trantorula are excellent in that tier
@@appelofdoom8211 My 99U Mudbray be stompin' the competition
@@splitsee2526with how cracked NatDex lower tiers are nowadays, NatDex 276U probably has Lugia or something.
We can finally see the full potential of Choice Specs Dreepy.
didnt realise that someone made 7U. I ran the tiering process on pokemon perfect... we only went down to 6U though. I guess someone must have made 7U for fun in the meantime, but it was never official. I do think that we should extend the tiering in each generation as far as it can be pushed though.
damn this comment got more likes than the entire number of people who contributed to the tiering project in any way while it was active on pokemon perfect lol
why does this tier look genuinely fun
why am i a sucker for low tiers in old gens
Because beedrill is viable
Ayo, wanna play? My pokemon showdown is the same as my YT lmao
@@nerdstop5025 I love beedril, and the mega finally made it good
Because the power levels are so comically low that you can find uses for first stage Pokemon.
Well I think they sort of are what you would expect from a low tier. In gen 7 and 8, even ZU have pokemon that are ment to be competitive (even if they completely suck). Like when the worst tier has Uxie, Articuno, miltank or rhydon as part of the meta and where stoutland isn't even viable, then there is something wrong in the tiering system.
I've always wanted to play a competitive metagame where each pokemon is legal but scored in a way that each pokemon is worth points (Ex: Mewtwo would be worth 6 while Squirtle would be worth 1) and your overall team can't exceed 12 points. So you can have a team with 2 ubers, fights a team of 5 UU pokemon and stuff like that.
So the cvs ratio system? Admittedly that’d be interesting to watch.
That sounds kinda like yokai watch
Isn't that just the draft leagues?
magic the gathering has a similar concept in a format called canadian highlander, where powerfull cards are given points and you can only have so many strong cards. i dobt play it and i feel for the people who have to do the balancing but it seems fun
That sounds fun until you realize most ubers destroy infinite of every Pokemon below overused
This reminds me of the time me and my friends made a fake tier below gen 5's ZU tier.
We called it "SU", standing for "Shouldn't Use".
Magcargo, Cubone, and Wormadam Trash are actually pretty solid options there.
SU is actually the name people use for the tier below ZU! although it stands for "subzeroused". Lame.
It's very cool how the tier's name was created teice completely independently
Waterfall being in gen 1 is the true earthshaking revelation.
Honestly, I laughed at his surprise at that fact. I think that most people just forget about it because it's exclusive to Goldeen and Seaking in gen1, and those 2 aren't exactly good Pokemon
Waterfall pre-gen 4 is such a funny move
Nobody ever uses goldeen or seaking in a playthrough, thats why nobody knows their attacks
I was really surprised by this fact, but then i remember seen this in Stadium when i was a kid
I think the biggest move transformation ever is for waterfall from pre gen 4 to post gen 4.
Waterfall used to be Seaking's signature move. It was just weaker than surf, and completely pointless. Didn't become a decent move until Gen 4.
If you wanna be cute, you could teach a Mon waterfall in Gen 2, then trade it back to Gen 1, so other Pokemon can know the move.
... or you could just use surf.
I think Smogon's Gen 1 entry on the move actually used to read "Use Surf" lol. They've changed it since, but every time I remember it I internally laugh a bit
Maybe the actualization of a psyduck using waterfall will be enough to slow down the opponent’s processing power for you to land an extra hit?
I was about to dispute this fact, but no. Gen-4 didn't just gift it the physical/special, that's also where Waterfall gained its flinch chance.
Seriously, for those first three generations it might have been the most pointlessly redundant move in the game... and two of those generations had the audacity to make it a mandatory HM, an HM you always aquire after Surf no less.
@@EmeralBookwise Since you mention it, I'm not even sure as to how viable pre-split Waterfall would be if it already had the flinch chance. Would Surf still outclass it solely on being stronger? (The flinch is a 20%, isn't it? If it were a 30%, I'd probably be more willing to bet Waterfall would be relevant).
While on the topic of HMs, Gen 2 and Gen 3 not only both committed the sin of making Waterfall a required HM you get after Surf (worse yet, in Gen 2, you only need it once in terms of advancing the story, and Gatr couldn't even learn it at the time, so Totodile pickers have to waste a team slot on another Water type). They also both committed the sin of having a THIRD Water HM that's EVEN more useless in combat.
Dive is just weak (it was 60 power until Gen 4 raised it to 80) whereas Whirlpool is a partial-trapping move, which... unlikely to be handy in the story unless you're running some sort of gimmick. I've actually heard people make the case that Whirlpool should have been a Dragon-type move instead (and presumably stronger), which considering how few Dragon-type moves there were at the time, I'm tempted to agree.
@@asterlux4899: Surf would have probably been better regardless, but at least with flinch Waterfall could have had niche corner uses. Especially for anything that also had a reliable paralysis move.
And, yeah, the fact that we had two games in a row with three water type HMs was always pretty egregious. Gen-2 unequivocally being the worse offender with how little use those extra HMs even have. Only ever being needed once each for story progression.
Just one more reason Johto is so much better in Gen-4. Not only did Feraligatr finally get Waterfall, doubly blessed now that it worked off its superior physical stat, but I can also just dump whirlpool on my HM slave Furret. No clue why Furret of all things got that move added to its repertoire, but I sure as heck ain't complaining.
1:43 - ditto holding random garbage is a+ meme potential
This tier looks like some of the stupidest crap ever and tbh I think I love it. I've become very delighted in the bizarre uses of low tier mons for a while now (ARIADOS SUPREMACY) and love looking at the low tiers in later gens to see funny garbage and this is basically that combined with Gen 1 grade Stupid™.
RBY LC UU is the memeiest tier I've ever seen (more like an NU though). Eleven legal pokemon.
Eleven.
Jigglypuff, Cubone, Zubat, Venonat, Goldeen, Ekans, Nidoran-M, Nidoran-F, Caterpie, Weedle, and Magikarp. Nido-F is outclassed by Nido-M and the last 3 are... yeah, so it's more like 7 viable.
Their movesets are so poor that mimic is common. In this gen mimic copies a random move, and it's to the point where venonat runs 2 garbage filler moves just so mimic doesn't get something good (not like it has anything better). Psychic has super-effective coverage on half the tier and neutral coverage on everything. Jigglypuff has *super-effective* coverage on all the relevant mons except for itself. It's actually silly.
I believe in Ariados Supremacy
@@spore4ever91 you will be spared when the ariarapture comes
@@natnew32 Why doesn't Mimic work like in the actual R/B/Y games, where you can actually pick which of the 4 moves you mimic?
@@AhsimNreiziev Last I checked that's not how mimic works? in Yellow at least.
By the way, if you want a quick list of the legal mons to send someone, here you go!
Top 8:
Meowth
Charmeleon
Tentacool
Ivysaur
Rhyhorn
Golbat
Beedrill
Hitmonchan
Niche Picks:
Voltorb
Clefairy
Nidorino
Goldeen
Venonat
Shellder
Psyduck
Doduo
Farfetch'd
Grimer
Potentially Niche:
Geodude
Gloom
Kabuto
Koffing
Krabby
Jigglypuff
Nidorina
Pidgeotto
Rattata
Squirtle
Mostly Unviable:
Bellsprout
Bulbasaur
Caterpie
Cubone
Ditto
Eevee
Ekans
Growlithe
Kakuna
Magikarp
Magnemite
Mankey
Machop
Metapod
Nidoran M + F
Oddish
Paras
Pidgey
Spearow
Vulpix
Weedle
Zubat
Lotta fighting game updates, kof’s dlc, testament back after a decade and a half ultimax being back after just as long and sfv’s crazy final patch. I’m really curious how you feel about all this. Specially ultimax. Best fighting game grappler of all time with kanji.
@@Neogears1312 There's so much cool shit happening rn I hate it cause I've no time for it lmao
How did Magnemite feel?
What if that list of Mostly Unviable is then taken to an 8U tier?
I read this as the quick list of legal moms and my excitement took quite a turn on the roundabout
I'm thinking about making a Discord server, not just for 7U but also to make an unironic 8U Tier out of whatever we have left
Do it you coward
alternatively brave bastard
Do it
What about A team tier format?
Like me and my homies were making fun of this right wing friend of ours saying he even looks like that skinhead one from Gen1 they changed the regional name of. Forgot what they called it in dub. But than he was like "well you'd be a fire breather cause you look like a clown and all you do is smoke and have sex with trans like Hunter Biden" (apparently I was supposed to be ashamed of this lol)
Which trainers would win in such a match up with equal pokemon levels? Wait there's a video on that too someone ran with an AI lol
invite us
What we have left is, assuming it excludes everything in the video:
Bellsprout, Bulbasaur, Caterpie, Charmander, Cubone, Ditto, Eevee, Ekans, Geodude, Gloom, Growlithe, Kabuto, Kakuna, Koffing, Krabby, Jigglypuff, Machop, Magikarp, Magnemite, Mankey, Metapod, Oddish, Nidoran (both), Nidorino, Paras, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Rattata, Spearow, Squirtle, Vulpix, Weedle, Zubat
Basically, you end up with a Little Cup tier with a lot of stuff banned and Nidorina, Gloom, Pidgeotto, the cocoons, and Ditto being legal. Though of that crowd, only the former three would actually do anything of significance.
Of course Meowth is an absolute menace. Remember his gen 1 signature super Meowth attack where he threw a bucket of water at Onix and made him go AAHHH? Oh boy I want to see the alt universe where he was playable in Smash 64.
I'd honestly take a tier with Meowth and Beedrill as top tier than see another Landorus-T in my entire life.
I couldn't agree more, I haven't played competitive Pokemon yet but this tier honestly looks really fun🙂
I can't for the life of me understand the tidal wave of Landorus hate of all the pokemon there are on OU
@@The_Vanni because he's much more universal than many other pokemon in OU. Ground+Flying+intimidate with those stats lets it fit on almost any team as either a sweeper, bulky physical attacker, or a physical wall and pivot. Many other OU staples are restricted to specific team types. Take TTar, you won't see him on anything but sand teams. There are other pokemon that are quite universal, such as ferrothorn, but at least he's not on literally every team in VGC as well.
@@mainzer45 yeah but he can only do one thing at a time. it's not like he is overcentralizing and people are running dedicated landorus checks, he can be dealt with things people are usually already running in good teams and he should never win any games on his own unlike actual threats such as urshifu-s and gen 4 garchomp, wich actually is a prime example of a mon that was allowed to come back due to how landorus walls him
@@The_Vanni While this is true, I'm mostly stating that he has so many playstyles because it allows him to fit on almost any team style, which is why you see him on almost any team, and why people are tired of seeing him.
The rabbit hole you have to go through to get to these tiers just astounds me it’s like ruby sapphire 200 which was a tier were zangoose was good
Dont diss my boy
I love these kinds of videos about the lower tiers. Someone could talk about the history of OU and Ubers and I’d probably zone out half way through, but the moment someone starts talking about how Cryogonal was the best rapid spinner in gen 6 PU and was a great check to the tier’s special attackers then I’m all ears!
I’d never thought I’d hear him say “Goldeen is a Solid Water Type”. This is truly a different age of competitive Pokémon.
that and "meowth is terrifying."
"Beedrill can finally make a name for itself."
Top five sentences uttered before tragic moments.
I love when new lower tiers are made. Gives every mon a chance to shine
I think the fun part of talking about lower tiers is how unpredictable their meta is and this definitely takes the cake for the weirdest tier ever
Like when will you hear of Meowth treathening an entire metagame with *slash* and *bubble beam* of all things
Finally, a competitive tier that Team Rocket grunts can get behind
I don't play competitive, and I have no interest in starting, but watching videos just about gen 1 is somehow so enjoyable. Those clunky, janky, glitchy games are so dear to my heart.
Definitely try showdown. It’s quite a lot of fun.
8U. If we exclude the 18 mentioned in this video, there's still 33 left. Krabby supremacy.
Tbf if there was an 8U I'd have no idea how it'd go, I feel like mons like Geodude could be too much for it honestly
@@BigYellowSilly it's so heartwarming to think that Pokémon like Geodude could get banned from tiers for being too good
Maybe a Video about how this 8u might look? Just your suggestions and absolutely no proof of anything?
@@MK-yg2np It doesn't exist. Nobody plays it. I made this comment as a joke.
I know that it does not exist, but it could!
Can I just say I absolutely adore your pokemon videos? I mean I like it all, started watching with fighting game garbage, but something about the pokemon videos is always an insta watch. Thanks for all the hard work.
Your mon names are too hilarious. Laughed out loud at 'the iconic orb'
I appreciated the buck bumble reference with beedrill. It’s such a subtle joke.
@@Neogears1312 The sign is a subtle joke.
my favorite is "lackey chan"
i have 0 braincells so "i beed my ped" took me out
babe wake up, we need to watch the new Big Yellow video
babe hurry up beedrill is at +4
12:02 Yes! They also learn it in gen 3, and I remember looking at move guides as a kid and being amazed at the possibility of not needing to get the HM, I think it may be the only HM move that was learnt though leveling
Salamence also learns Fly when Shelgon evolves for the record. Gol/Sea are definitely the first overall though.
@@DMSwordsmaster Wow cool! I love how they put flavor over mechanics with these. In the case of Salamence, I think you cannot access Bagon before getting the Fly HM though
@@TheLuxma You can't get Bagon until you get Waterfall lmao, so no.
In black and white 2, the abyssal ruins is meant to be a postgame thing you can do to get basically infinite money. You need dive to enter, and you only get the HM in the postgame. However, wailmer/wailord get the move by levelup and you can just grind one up and get access to the area very early
@@TheLuxma And Rayquaza comes with Fly, IIRC.
Seaking learning Waterfall by level up was actually relevant in one of the Smallant vs. Pointcrow Emerald load zone randomizer races; one of the locations that needed to be visited in order to beat the run happened to be behind a load zone that required Waterfall to reach, but due to the randomizer mucking things up a bit, the HM for Waterfall was unavailable. Smallant won the race by catching a wild Goldeen (or was it a Seaking?) and grinding it up until it learned Waterfall.
That Grimer’s “pre-muk” nickname was a nice double entendre that made me smirk
The fact that Ponyta is ranked just shows how good fire types are in NU
At that point attacking heals people
New lighting is rly good!
Thanks! I got one of those ring lights and it's such an improvement
yeah I saw that on Twitter, it's rly good
I’ve been playing RBY 9U for a while and I gotta say, Lead Magikarp is completely broken; it has by far the highest speed in the tier and that Tackle, while not stab, can likely 3HKO meta defining threats like Caterpie, Kakuna, and Paras. I feel like something has to be done to save the meta from this monster.
It takes 16 hits for Magikarp's Tackle to kill a Kakuna. Barring crits, of course.
@@VimeC Why are you wasting tackle pp on KAKUNA?! You only need 3 shots to reliably break make it suicide through struggle against your own kakuna.
Just use splash, it's not like you'd be keeping your Magikarp if it had psting available, so at worst you're moving second from sshot (iirc psting + sshot is still considered a legal alternative to harden, though it'll probably be banned to 8U soon as it's pretty strong). Just wait it out until you know it has 7 pp left, then swap to kakuna and harden for max def to tank the struggles.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 wait, can't kakuna get poison sting from evolving from weedle?
@@shinyaltaria1388 yeah but you can't learn harden if you evolve in RBY, move relearner wasn't introduced and psting, sshot, and harden are all lvl1 only so you have to choose between the sting shot set and harden set. Kakuna became solidly 8U in GSC due to that change, as it can threaten to poison everything in that tier and can finally pp stall some mons.
Magikarp has dragon rage
How is Kakuna allowed in RBY 8U when it was a great Choice sweeper in DPP Ubers... I don't get it.
Well something was needed to counter the dangerous mixed caterpie so its kind of a unspoken rule to just let him be in the tier
That was before kakuna got it's biblically accurate form
onix hard walls it, due to quad resisting poison.
Kinda wish Smogon would put some of these old niche tiers and battle styles on an alternate list, so people can know about them and play them.
Honestly RBY 7U looks interesting.
i think what i realized i love about formats like these is that they have this feeling of "my friends and i are still playing the games and we have like four gym badges and we're just gonna battle and chill" lol
“Pre-Muk” that got me.
if you lead with ditto in 8U you can turn the mirror match on its head, your opponent can't guarantee an easy kakuna surprise on you anymore, and it frees up your kakuna for a late game string shot sweep.
It is a great stall mon with harden and handing out poisons with the STING.
This is such a surreal episode. You're a massive champ for not uploading this on April first.
you have become one of my favorite UA-camrs with videos like these. you’re really filling in a good niche and I appreciate it, we need these videos.
pre-muk probably the funniest nickname ive seen
Finally all of my childhood favorites, and my weird design preferences for gloom and Nidorino above their evolutions can finally be viable or niche but usable
Your way of making pokemon comp videos is really good. It reminds me of Tekken for some reason. I also want to make vids like this
Love the matching nail polish. Great vid as always! The gen1 metagame is really interesting to learn about
It never ceases to amaze me how laughably terrible Fighting types were in RBY. I can't express how disappointed I was as a young kid when Hitmonlee couldn't wipe out growlithes, let alone Gym Leaders, let alone Stadium, when he was my all time favorite Mon at the time. Game Freak knew this and didn't have time to rebalance it, i'm convinced of that between their RBY "gym" and the changes in Gen 2 lol
Cool topic, love charmeleon actually has something to be proud of
Honestly, before watching your videos, I would have never thought the simpler times of Gen 1 would have this much depth.
I laughed for the entire remainder of the video after 3:58
Just repeating “I beed my ped” over and over again like the idiot I am. My god, that’s FUCKING *hilarious*
Been quite liking seeing both fighting game and pokemon videos, i don't play pokemon competitively but i enjoy how you analize the meta in a chill and understandable way.
Magikarp is so amazing it has an ability in gen 1. Not being funny since 2009 isn't a good ability, but it's amazing that it has one.
absolutely love the pokemon videos, so few people talk about gen 1, especially not in as fun and interesting a way, also enjoy seeing what colour of nails we're getting on any given video
Damn. You have such incredible background music choices. Am I the only who vibes to the music hard while Yellow's explaining fun Pokemon trivia?
10:38 ok is no one gonna talk about how fucking sad this is Hitmonchan just took 59% from a fucking Clefairy
Yeah, Hitmonchans bulk in RBY is pretty bad
All Gens need an official 7U, so there’s a tier where all fully evolved Pokémon are usable.
This is a weird compliment but I love your videos because you do really in depth analysis but are really blunt about things. Like you'll give precise numbers and stuff and then afterwards you'll just say "yeah this is fucking shit" and it's so fucking funny
Thank you that's kinda what I strive for tbh, I wanna get my stuff right but still be me
Finally a safe space to use Psyduck without worries of accidentally evolving into the loathsome golduck
A small observation unrelated to the video but I absolutely love your painted nails
As an enthusiast of what I would call jank in all of my competitive games, this genuinely sounds like a lot of fun. This gives a lot of Pokémon I genuinely love and remember fondly, especially as a kid, but who get overshadowed in the face of a lot of things. Thank you for this video!
In the 7U metagame Hitmonchan does do the job to counter the normal-type and it does the job pretty good.
I wish there was something like this for modern Pokemon. I wanna hear analysis about the Unown vs Luvdisc matchup
I've heard of SU which is a tier below ZU apparently but I've never tried it myself
Eventually there Will be a "ZU PU" where can see if Luvdisc is a better lead than choice band ledian
Honestly pretty wild that Rhydon is top tier in OU but Rhyhorn is all the way down in 7U, you'd think it would see play in at least one of the higher tiers
rhyhorn has weirdly underwhelming stats compared to rhydon. like, with rhydon's massive attack stat, you'd think rhyhorn would have at least 100 base attack or something
The reason 7U is healthy is that all the Pokémon in the tier are in the grand scheme of things equally trash. They are just going against Pokémon that are also equally trash.
Beedrill Is anything but thrash, such a cool mon
There was recently a small tournament for the tier. It was a freaking blast! 😀
playing RBY randbats feels like 7U until the opponent last mon Mewtwos you
Such an underrated channel. I grew up with RBY and was far too young to participate in competitive (Raichu with Thunder, Thunderbolt, Surf, and Thunder Wave? Sign me up!), so seeing these analyses have been entertaining and informative.
Same goes for the fighting game videos. Keep up the amazing work!
Out of everything said in this video “Venonat has a good typing” has to be the most bizarre.
In a tier with almost no flying or psychic moves it's pretty fire tbh
@@BigYellowSilly I guess having no STAB whatsoever doesn't matter when you're one of the few legal Psychic users
Incredibly funny that Hitmonchan is arguably the lowest tier when it was a beast in Gen 1 TCG.
I don't know if it's because of me tripping or your video being very well made, but this is the highest form of comedy for me atm. subbed
This is the EXACT content I have been looking everywhere for. I LOVE niche weird, low tier Pokemon discussions.
This video is amazing, as some Pokémon I do like seem to be down here, namely Hitmonchan and Golbat. I discovered your channel very late, but I do like your descriptions as you know your shit.
As a beedril enjoyer, it's cool to me that it has a place here. No clue if this exists, but it'd be cool if there were some kind of web tool where you could put in a list of your favourite pokemon, and get a result of the tiers where your boys are most viable
SAME
Meowth, the final boss of mediocrity
Yeah, I remember 8 years ago using metronome in gen 1 and rolling a waterfall attack, I was also surprised to learn that it was in gen 1.
Ur videos are always a pleasant surprise in my subfeed 😍
i love meowth being a menace in this tier, meowth is a fun mischevous pokemon in general and i’m glad to see him shine! i’m surprised he doesn’t get the prankster ability tbh
Bro I been watching your channel crazy the last two days (just decided to get into comp battling) and your videos are really good. The way you introduced meowth as the meta defining Pokémon was gold.
Where can one find a video on Caterpie's impact on the lead metagame?
Close your eyes and cover your ears and you'll get the idea
gen 1 really took it’s normal type pills, huh
Sending to my friends to see if they want to play what looks like the funniest way to play Pokémon RBY
Your videos have been one of my entries into Pokemon. I probably wont play these gens or formats but its fascinating to learn about. Thanks Yellow~
I love how Beedrill is always called I Beed my Ped.
Loving these low tier vids. Makes me really appreciate comp Pokemon, especially in the earlier gens
This looks like a surprisingly fun and diverse metagame. If it sees much more play would love to join in!
You joke, but I'm somewhat curious about a meta where both teams would be required to run Caterpie/Weedle/Metapod/Kakuna/Magikarp/Ditto, which are almost certainly the six worst Pokemon in the game. Harden seems overpowered, but on the other hand, poison damage from Poison Sting DOES ignore it.
Either way Kakuna's definitely the best in that metagame due to bulk and having access to both and poison immunity
Ditto could actually see some decent usage, because besides Metapod it has the highest HP in the tier (50 to Ditto's 48) and thus could use Transform to become a better version of any team member (preferably Kakuna)
@@JB-bc2ry Ditto would have PP issues though and would have to swap out once in a while.
yah, it is great at stall and sweeping
Nobody else mentioned it, but you were wearing green and you had green nails done for St Patrick's day, looking good!
If 8U isn't actually real, I want it to be made real so we can get a video about it.
Also, clefairy's being absolute bottom tier is so weird to think of with its being one of the highest-ranking unevolved pokémon circa gen 6.
Hitmonchan really is the Pokemon world's Glass Joe.
3:12
Ah, I had almost forgotten how CRUSTY some of the gen 1 sprites were. Some were amazing like evee or pigeotto. . .
But then you got ones like mankee or machop lol
So many Fighting types down here. If only Karate Chop was Fighting.
Seriously, go to the Showdown Damage Calc and see what happens when you do that. It's nutty