Doug Yates: My Dad and Jack (Roush) Didn't Like Each Other
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Doug Yates joins Dale Earnhardt Jr. and co-host Mike Davis on The Dale Jr. Download and opens up about the unusual partnership that brought bitter rivals and the two giants of Ford Racing Engines to form an unlikely alliance. Just how did Jack Roush and Robert Yates agree to partner? Doug holds the key.
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I was a Dale Jarrett fan, so I was overjoyed when he won the 1999 championship with the Yates engines. Jarrett was so fast on the superspeedways he would drop out of the top 10 and run 30th till there was 50 to go and then he would pass cars like they were standing still. Ned Jarrett was calling the laps and Robert Yates's power was all the talk.
Did you hear what Doug said started the deal with his father and Jack Roush off was Earnhardt dominating plate races. 1999 in particular, was one of the more dominant seasons for Dale Earnhardt on the 2 plate tracks. Dale Jarrett won that years Pepsi 400 at Daytona BUT Dale Sr ran 2nd in both Daytona races and then outran Jarrett both times at Talladega to sweep that track. If Earnhardt hadn't been there, Jarrett wins 3 of the 4 season's plate races...
@@vinewood8295 It was a different sport then because the points were different. Being consistent in the top 2-5 could put a driver in the points lead without a win. The last 5 races were icing on the cake as long as the leader finished 15th or better. Now the championship is wide open in the last 5 races. Nascar Made the last 5 races more meaningful for more drivers & fans.
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@@ToIsleOfView it made the rest almost meaningless though. Now you can average 15th or so and get in then have a good 5 races and win.
@@khaoticpenguin3945 The method of having the old championship decided 4 weeks before the close of the season was not perfect. Perhaps we need a total points champion and a "chase at the end" champion. Those qualifiers for the chase who come into it at #12 have never finished well. The drivers were all quizzed on the changes and they liked the winning part of getting into the chase rather than just points. A driver that finishes in the top 3 every week will usually have more points than the winners who have their ups and downs. Drivers wanted winning to carry a bonus more than just points.
I thought Holman Moody had a huge opperation with an advanced engine shop?
They did. They we're really first.
I always like hearing stories like these. I can understand them not wanting to show their hand at everything. Jack Roush was always more geared towards getting the best fuel mileage. Where Robert Yates was probably mindful of the importance of fuel mileage but cared more about building horsepower.
This is he best show on NASCAR period!!!
check out the Scene Vault Podcast here on youtube and they play the whole thing
We lost Robert and when Jack goes it will be a sad end to a era.
I miss the old NASCAR ! Great stories! Great Men !
Talked with Jack Roush at the Reno Air Races and to me he's a pretty straight forward likable guy.
Meet him at Oshkosh twice. At the airshow. Was cool he was standing by his p-51. No one around except Jack roush. We talked for hrs.
@@Itsjustmecw Jack Rouse wasn’t much of a pilot. Crashed two airplanes lucky he’s still alive.
You going to the last year
@@thecommonsenseconservative5576 Yup
@@55Reever I'm from Reno I don't live there anymore but my parents live in stead so we can see the air races literally from the back of our house
Jack could had Jeff Gordon drive his car but he was too stubborn to let Jeff bring Ray Everham
I know Jack thru air racing and building a Merlin V12 for the P51. Super nice guy and very helpful with information and how to fix/operate the Merlin engine. He built and designed the first roller rocker cam setup for the V12
I actually think Brad will get that thing turned around, he is a smart guy. I'm a Chevy, Hendrick man, but I like Brad.
I don't like Jack but I like Brad and that's why I'll pull for RFK. See what I did there? LOL
It's a shame his truck team had sponsorship and funding issues. If it was still running I could have seen it become part of the Ford feeder system. Even to the extent that they would have revived the Roush Xfinity team.
NO, NO, NO, needs wholesale changes from TOP to BOTTOM. Everybody accepts JACK....I am very sorry for Brad. He will be like Biffle, Carl, and Matt. I KNOW.....
@@jameskim62 How can Brad be like those guys when he is part owner
Brad's not scared to spend money like Jack was. I have met Jack Rouse I shook his hand. My best friend's step dad used to pull the 50 truck and then the 16 car. I have got really cool pictures of me and all Jack roush's race cars. I'm not trying to be mean but I've never seen somebody run a business that pinches pennies so much
Listened to the whole interview last night. WORLD CLASS !!!
Love Roush and Yates. Two great personalities that helped build NASCAR.
Great interview.
Dale Jr. U ROCK!!!
I recall a story from the 1992 Coca Cola 600 weekend.... Dale had not won yet in '92. The Fords were dominating. Dale got in Mark Martin's 600 Cup car and ran a few laps. He got out and told them " nice handling car, not much motor though" LOL. That was a knife into Jack Roush's chest.
I remember Dale saying something about how Ford at that time had an obvious horsepower advantage that the GM teams did not have but I never heard that story of him turning laps in Martin's car, i'm gonna have to do some research on that one...
Dale wouldn't fit in marks seat.. No way that hapoened
@@markcopeland3892 Not sure how the seats would have been back in '92. I would think they were nowhere as form fitted like they are now.
Roush needed Yates in a bad way
These are the best interviews in motorsports. Why are they not fully available in video form?
@Bobb Grimley some people like to watch these interviews. You miss alot by just listening to it.
@Bobb Grimley Easy boomer. Why did you watch the video? It's better.
Great video!
As a diehard Dale Sr fan back then, I remember thinking after the 1990 Mello Yello 500 where they had those problems, not as bad as the previous season All Pro 500 where they finished I think dead last, but still enough problems to set them back in the pack. I remember looking at the remainder of the schedule back then & thinking that Mark would have enough to hold Dale off and win that years Winston Cup based on the fact that he had won at Rockingham the previous season for his & Roush's 1st Cup win so I figured they'll either win Rockingham again or finish top 5 then run well enough at Phoenix & Atlanta to close the deal. Well, at The Rock Dale & Mark qualified like right next to each other & then finished right next to each other in like 9th and 10th or something like that. Then at Phoenix I was like well Mark will win this race, Sr hadn't won there yet and it seemed like Mark & Jack would probably be better. Well as luck would have it, Earnhardt ended up dominating the race after Rusty Wallace had some kind of mechanical failure in the first 50 laps and Mark instead limped home in I think 10th maybe. Dale left Phoenix with the points lead cause of that and I knew then that it was a done deal that Dale Sr was going to win the 1990 Winston Cup cause Atlanta was Earnhardt country at that time, Dale had not only won the earlier Atlanta race that season, the Motorcraft 500 in March BUT he had also dominated and won the previous season ending Atlanta Journal 500 falling just short of the 89 Cup to Rusty. I remember the annoucement that Mark was going to use one of Davey's cars instead of a Roush car & my 1st thought was WHY? The Roush cars had run better than RYR cars all year BUT for some reason well hell after listening to this clip I guess I know now. The irony of the whole situation is that in the next years season ending Atlanta race, Martin dominated and won. I wonder if Jack said I told ya when they got to victorylane, they shoulda borrowed one of Bud Moore's Thunderbirds in 1990 seeing as how Morgan Shepherd won that race...
The story I heard a few years ago was that Yates brought HP and Roush brought longevity to their engines. The one thing that Hendrick has the Roush Yates doesn't have is NASCARS ear.
Both those dudes, (Jack and Robert) were totally opposite personalities, accept for the desire to win. I remember the story of Robert Yates bumping his car into Roush leaving the track one time and Robert was screaming at Roush out the window to "get out of the way, you're going too slow".......LoL.
Roush is a penny pincher. He thinks a nickel is a man hole cover.
I heard that when Jack's teams were blowing all those engines, some had used parts in them since they were experimenting to find the real cause of the failures. Many times it was the used parts that caused the failures. He had some weird Idea to make more power and was determined to make it work. Most of those engines blew up.
The story goes that Jack was hand picking used connecting rods from a barrel of "end of life cycle" rods to find 8 of the best appearing ones.
A penny pincher wouldn't make the investment of 20 plus engine dynos. He spent what he needed to. I seriously doubt he was using used parts to save buying new ones.
@@hawki5120 Well, I did say "as the story goes" but the source is very reliable since he worked there. The no. of dyno's was 10.
Yeah, naw. He’s an engineer. They used to change engines out from qualifying to the race. Not a penny pincher when it comes to the cars.
@@wysetech2000 I have no idea how many he had. I was going off what Doug said but he did sound like he wasn't sure. It's 10. By Dougs account they had there brand new state of the art shop and it had 1. Jack didn't pinch pennies when it came to the performance of the cars.
Great show.
Just finished listening to the last two podcast. Like 100% of DJDL they were incredible. Thanks DMM!
Mike, where’d ya get the hat? I’m a Southern grad too, I haven’t seen that one!
How does he say it's Dale's fault and you guys never follow up?? Didn't hear one comment about it afterwards, that's what I wanted to hear.
Because Dale was dominating the plate n his Chevrolet Ford made the two teams work together.
Jack Roush has always been a no BS guy. I personally respect the hell out of him.
For the past few years I have been rooting for RFK, and he has his own distribution line of Ford parts, and Roush Perfromance, has his own line of vehicles.... how can you not like a guy like him, with so much success?
Yeah but he took it too far. You gotta adapt, he didn’t, his team and his drivers suffered as a result.
I own a machine shop in N. East Detroit. Been in the trade for 45 years. The equipment is only as good as the operator.
It's kind of surprising to me when listening to Dale, Jr. that he remembers a lot of things you wouldn't think he would remember and then there are some things one would think he definitely should remember but doesn't such as thinking that Mark Martin's engine blew up that Jack Roush got from Yates in the 1990 finale at Atlanta. I mean this was his dad's first championship in the Goodwrench car (should have been the second- '89).
What really doomed Mark Martin and Jack Roush for the 1990 championship was a decision to pit for tires when a caution came out with 15 laps to go at the next to last race of the season at Phoenix while running in the sixth position. Martin came into the race with a 45 point lead over Dale Earnhardt. When that caution came out the live points at the time was Martin (6th- 150 points) and Earnhardt (1st- 185 points with the lap(s) led bonus). Martin would have had a ten point advantage going into Atlanta had the race ended then. Martin would come out of the pits in 12th position. Unfortunately for Martin and Roush another caution came out another lap later after the restart and it cost him more green flag laps. He had only seven green flag laps for the remaining of the race after he pitted and it didn't help that lapped cars got to be on the inside of the lead lap cars on restarts thus putting more cars in between him and position cars. He would finish 10th getting 134 race points while Earnhardt would get max points for a race with 185. Earnhardt would take a six point advantage over Martin going to Atlanta that was arguably Earnhardt's all time best track (record nine wins) who had won the two previous races ran there. That's what experience and champions do is put pressure on you by leading and it makes you over think and make uncomfortable and regretful decisions.
It doesn't end there. After the epic performance by Earnhardt at Phoenix, Earnhardt and RCR would have an legendary performance at Atlanta... in PRACTICE. The mind games they would play with Martin, Roush, and the Ford camp was unbelievable. Childress and Earnhardt decided to put right side tires on the left side of the car and with the Ford camp timing his lap, Earnhardt set a new track record in practice. Curtains. This was devastating to Martin, Roush and the Ford camp. As mentioned by Yates, Martin wanted a Yates engine after that "to keep up" with Earnhardt and although he managed a sixth place finish in the race, he had nothing for Earnhardt. Earnhardt led laps early and was more inclined to make sure he stayed in front of Martin than he was trying to win the race. If Martin was running second or third Earnhardt would have been running first or second. With no disrespect to Morgan Shepherd who won the race, had Earnhardt really needed to win the race he would have. Earnhardt finished 3rd and leading laps and he would win the championship by 26 points after starting the year with a heart breaking and one would think crushing defeat at the Daytona 500 by dominating the race and blowing a tire on the last lap of the race while leading. That's what champions do.
I believe that you’re forgetting about the points penalty that Martin received within the first 5 races for an “illegal” spacer. That was the biggest reason Mark lost the championship that year.
@@inspiredwoodworks4131 No, I didn't forget. The biggest reason he lost though was because he and his team didn't execute at Phoenix. His team didn't follow the rules at Richmond. It's just it had nothing to do with what was going on at Phoenix and/or Atlanta. He lost 46 points at Richmond for having the illegal spacer and wasn't getting those points back regardless. The penalty Martin got was the second race of the season. He won the race and would have received 180 points. What NASCAR did was let him keep the win, but they gave him the points that the last car on the lead lap got and that was Ken Schrader who finished 10th and got 134 points. At least it wasn't like rules now where Martin would not have kept the win or got any points and Dale Earnhardt would have got the win at Richmond, instead.
Best podcast on the Tube!
@1:26 love it.... inquiring minds want to know.... WHY.?
Old thread but i was gifted a set of 1$ bills that had stickers on them with the drivers faces. Under each sticker instead of their names were their nicknames instead. For dale Jarrett it was "Mr. Horsepower"
Things might have been different in '90 if Roush used a Yates motor in one of his own cars at the Atlanta race. Roush, being the hard head that he is, told Mark if he wanted to use a Yates motor, he was going to have to use a Yates car too. Geez.
Jack's persona on tv fits what these two said, to a T!
How can you not like Doug Yates?
I'd like to hear about the time the Yates engine blew on the dyno and they said it was because the Nascar officials let the engine idle too long.
That doesn't make sense! An engine wouldn't blow from Idling too long ! .Nascar officials never liked Fords . In the early 60s they outlawed the 427 Cammer, before that they banned the 312 supercharged Ford Thunderbird engine, since then they started using restricted plates on the higher H.P. engines at Superspeedways when BILL ELLIOTT set a record in ,YOU guessed it! a Ford Thunderbird. Keselowskis having a Rough time this year at RFK ! NASCAR threw the Book at him . If anybody is capable of turning Roush Fenway around Brad Keselowski the Driver for the Job.
@@jerryparks6123 One way to make power is to have an engine run hot and overheating it would. They didn't specify blown they just said damaged if you want to get technical.
@@briantieken6718 You sound like a Chevy guy! If you want to get technical I think it was the last year Dale Earnhardt Jr raced ,he blew 2 Chevy engines 1 weekend, by down shifting from 4th to 2nd gear at 12.000 RPM ! . A FORD Driver did the same thing that weekend, namely Kevin Harvick , the Roush, Yates based Ford ran strong for the Remainder of the race! .
@@jerryparks6123 Not a Ford vs Chevy thing all things break just continuing conversation. Grew up in GM family with lots of car people now I drive a Ford best vehicle I've ever had. All car companies have good and bad vehicles. People will make mistakes when pumping out product by the thousands
@@briantieken6718 All thi
Another great podcast! Great job! Talking about engines I wonder if Richie Gilmore has ever been considered as a guest?
They run 2 laps at Daytona on a qualifying lap. DJ was close to the last car to make a qualifying run. He was 3 or 4th fastest on his first lap. It was crazy.
I seem to remember part of it was a nascar rule that parts approval. Robert Yates was like do we give them our stuff or do we want to have to use their stuff
I wish they would put the full interview up on UA-cam. I don’t get why they don’t.
I would much rather watch these entire interviews online vs audio.
jack built those great road race cars too for the Rolex 24
D.E. @ M.D. .....................I'm old ...........and this is great stuff............and just what I thought about Jack Roush!!!!!! ...........now get the old man on ,so he can answer up ??????
Danny Calley As much as I respect Jack Roush I think he has lost a few marbles.
Has Jack Roush ever been in the DJ DL?
I don’t think so
@@JackCallSports that'd be an episode to listen to
I hope Jr can get him on before he is not around anymore. Would be one to watch. Kyle Petty did a sit-down with him. Look it up if you haven't seen it.
Dale Sr was keeping Computer was up all night just trying to keep up with him
I think roush was dumb for not keeping Carl Edwards , he would have won a championship if they kept him, I think but that's me
Learn English 😂
Roush was falling apart at that time
@@tcmusic6429 K passo me no engiss
Carl Edwards left NASCAR because they threw a Phantom Caution that kept him from winning the championship. NASCAR IS FIXED (RIGGED) and if they don't want you to win they will find a way for you not to win.
Back in the 70’s we sold connecting rods to Gap and Roush Racing! Jack wasn’t easy to get along with then!
I remember the All Star race the first year that they started running the Roush-Yates engines in the Roush cars. Kurt had the latest and greatest, Biffle had the old Roush engine and Kurt ran him over and wrecked him with all that extra power.
Never have cared much for Jack.
Robert Yates = Class Act. Jack Roush, not so much.
I wouldn't say that. Seems to me it was more of a case of too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Ego's got in the way
Jack reminds me of Oscar the grouch🤣 I’ve met Robert Yates at Michigan international speedway in 2010 great man
Robert Yates =Class Act...Tell that to Willy T Ribbs.
I’ve heard some stories that would make me agree that Jack has as many faults as he does have success
As a life long hms fan and the old rivalry of hms Roush had.....jack is class, he took time to give my dad while battling cancer and never was anything be great.
Whether you like or dislike JACK ROUSH he was at the top of his game his cars were always in the hunt. Dont really know what happened with his organization over the years I suspect when he lost his talented drivers things took a turn for the worse. Dont know if BRAD is going to be able to turn this organization around or not i dont know how much input he has
to the day to day operation and dont know if JACK is the type of person that will listen to other opinions. There is a lot of rebuilding to be done.
Im thinkin Jacks on the way out on makin any day to day decisions. Hes really getting up in age. If im wrong ok but you dont see much of him anymore.
Doug Yates is good people!
I don't think Ford Racing ever really recovered in the 90s through the early 2000s from the loss of Davey Allison and Allen Kulwicki just months apart.
Better look again. Mid 90s we're very good for Ford.
Read the title wrong thought it was Dale Sr and Jack Roush hated each other
Robert and jack have the same birthday
Mildly hilarious, in that Roush and Yates joined forces...and RFK racing is still not much better than a mid-pack team.
Engine program not cars. However starting to see RFK especially with Brad there they are running much better. Brad may even win this year, I would not be surprised not in the least.
Jack’s ego got in the way earlier. Yates always had more power. I know a Driver that was going to quit Roush if he didn’t use Yates heads. Might have been MM, I’m not sure 🤔
Everybody that was Ford was using Yates Heads from 91 on even Jack.
Let's ask Willy T. Ribbs what he thinks of Robert Yates?
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Larry Walace
Ya but no personality
How can Jack Roush be considered intimidating? He's an old dude that stands 5'2" a buck 140 soaking wet.
Blufey29 Jack wasn't old back in the day.
Why is Jr interviewing a Ford team? Sr or Jr either one couldn't stand Ford! I don't know why? Sr won his first race in a Ford! I'm a big time Ford fan! Thats why i never liked SR,JR,GORDON or another Chevy drivers ! Jr only wants to drive the pace car if its a pos camero or corvette,Hell he wouldn't even interview the winner of the race in the winners circle if it was a Ford that won ! JR AND SR was nothing but a joke to the sport in my book!!!
This is a show. it's not about manufacturers.
@@davescott686 he is still disrespectful to people
Uh cause its racing and not everything revolves around Chevy
All that research, all that testing, all them buildings but it didn't matter because they couldn't build or make another dale earnhardt, he was the difference, that was no secret.
JC Earnhardt3, the secret to Dale Sr being successful was Dale Earnhardt Sr, not the equipment. He could be driving a crappy race car and still do well with it no matter what brand it was.