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Which Is the Best Place to Live? | Spain vs Portugal 🇪🇸🆚🇵🇹 (2021)
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Josh from ExpatsEverywhere takes on Tom to debate which country is better, Portugal or Spain. Watch as they go back and forth on eight different popular topics.
Tom and Josh met over a decade ago when they both were camp counselors at an English-based activity youth camp in Spain. Josh was living in Madrid and Tom always had a fascination with Spain. The following school year, Tom moved to Zamora, Spain and the two stayed in touch.
Tom has had jobs take him to both Brazil and Portugal so that he could use his language skill acquired in university. In 2010, Tom took an offer with his company to move to Porto, Portugal. Josh and Kalie were moving from Madrid, but they took one more opportunity to visit their friend and their favorite Portuguese city, Porto.
The three toured around and on two occasions might have stumbled around (the hill on Vila Nova da Gaia) as they strengthen their relationship.
Throughout the years, they've stayed in touch. Josh and Kalie made trips to visit Tom when he moved back to London, partially so they could visit Tom but mainly to watch their favorite soccer team in the world, Arsenal. (Don't tell Tom they said this!)
Josh finally convinced Tom to come out to Singapore while he and Kalie were there and they were able to do a mini tour of Southeast Asia together. Josh unfortunately also convinced the group to eat a tainted steamed bun sold by a street vendor in Vietnam, but that's a story for another day.
So it's been over 10 years since Josh was living in Madrid and Tom was living in Porto. Now, the roles are reversed. Josh is in Porto and Tom is in Madrid. Which country will they fancy as the better of the two? Is it Portugal or Spain? Either way, we hope you enjoy the commentary and allow it to help you decide where you would like to live one day.
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Video Chapters
00:00 - Intro
0:19 - Round 1 Food
3:57 - Round 2 Wine
7:49 - Round 3 Language
11:46 - Round 4 Culture
15:30 - Round 5 Weather / Climate
18:35 - Round 6 People
21:26 - Round 7 Cost of Living
24:16 - Round 8 Quality of Life
28:17 - Final Thoughts - Who Won?
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I'm half spanish half portuguese. Sorry dad, i prefer to live in Portugal, but i love you so much.
😁 That's a great comment. Will your dad see this?! - Josh & Kalie
Hehehehehe
Live in Portugal sucks compared to that in Spain. Im sorry, but is true. No offense.
Great interview and I like that you all kept it light hearted, giving lots of love to each country. :)
Having spent a lot of time in Portugal as well as Spain and lived in other European countries, one of my main reasons to move to Portugal were its people.
As you have mentioned, they are kind and I find that they have a deep sense of empathy for some reason, not only compared to Spain but most of Europe and International.
In the end it's really about where you are most drawn to and most important aspect will be to follow your heart. :)
Thanks, Ales. We appreciate it. We certainly tried to keep it light hearted and fun because we had good experience in both countries. - Josh & Kalie
When we first decided to move to Europe we were looking at Spain then did more research and decided on Portugal. Third safest country in the world is what clenched it for me! Great content guys!! As always, much love! ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for sharing, Angelia! We appreciate the love and the safety factor has become huge for us. - Josh & Kalie
Hi angelia I would like to learn more about Portugal from you!
@@Shakira.zackery I can’t help you. Sorry. I’m still not there yet.
The safety metrics made by the OECD Global Peace Index are pretty useless on personal level though, since they include things like whether a country has nuclear weapons, military budget or simply geographical location.
You should rather look into crime index of a country if PERSONAL safety is your main concern, Portugal ranks 28 there, and Spain 35 which is still quite good, way ahead of France/UK, and behind Switzerland/Japan, as it should be. The difference of each country is notable once you leave the airport.
I would also look into life expectancy since this indicates whether the traffic is safe, air/food quality, health care standards, and much more.
Bad choice. You should have chosen Spain
Spanish food wins? Sorry...I have travelled extensively in both countries, Portuguese definitely wins!
Correct
yeah, to say spanish food is better is sign of terrible ignorance
Come on, you all must be joking. Portugal food better than Spain?? hahaha.
@@SampyKhe No. You're the joke.
Tapas, really?! Paella?! Totally overrated, try portuguese cataplana.
Portuguese fish and seafood is the best in the world. Try the bread, etc, etc
Come on, no way!😜
Portugal all the way!
Emmm Nop.
WRONG, food is Portugal biggest weapon.
Their judgement (variety) was valid. Spain can encompass traditional portuguese food and offers more. But! If you would compare the same dishes side by side Portugal wins. I'm a bad patriot.
You wish.
@@jpedrob you are a really bad portuguese, because to say that spain has more variety in the dishes than portugal, you have to be on drugs. You have a ton of diferent meat dishes and a ton of diferent fish dishes. When talking about portuguese meals, you probably only remember the "francesinha" or the cod fish dishes, but thats not all portugal has.
The bread in Portugal is TO DIE FOR. I don't recall finding bread like that in Spain. Spain's Jamon Iberico is definitely amazing. BOTH countries have Lay's Jamon chips, which are THE BEST! We found that Portugal does more with veg than Spain does. Spain is a lot of meat and cheese. It can get heavy.
Totally! And the fish, seafood and wine in Portugal are something else.
you've never been to Northern Spain, I guess. The bread from Galicia is famous for a reason
Go to Galician for bread is the best in the world
Spanish Bread s way better... just dont get commercial imported stuff. There are thousands of different sort of breads in Spain as well.
Portugal is way better overall!
Best food, best wine, best weather, best expresso, best beaches, good place to live not too many knowing it.
@@Esporadamoita I agree with everything you said except the beaches. The beaches in Spain are definitely better for swimming. Water is way too cold in Portugal but great for surfing
In Portugal we don't say "portuguese cuisine is the best" we say "até os espanhóis preferem a nossa comida, ou seja vocês não percebem um caralho de comida" and we think that it's beautiful...
Fact...
perfect 😂
ahahahah liked!
Perfect 😂😂😂😂
No one? OK, I'll do it. Portugal caralho!
Que classe! 👏🏻
Não podia ser de outra forma 🍷🍷🍷
Obrigado! Já cá fazia falta! Há que cumprir a tradição!
👏👏👏👏👏👏😂
Portuguese cuisine is very underrated..... it's so diversified , we have an extensive variety of fish and seafood, meat from livestock fed in the fields, healthy and tasty, the freshest vegetables, the best olive oil, we actually export it to Spain... many wines, cheeses... and the best pastries. Portugal ❤🇵🇹
What?? you say that Portugal export olive oil to Spain when we make about 50% of the world production??? hahha never in my life i have seen a portuguese olive oil in Spain. Spain its way more diverse that Portugal hands down.
@@SampyKhe
You full yourself
They buy the olives in Portugal and squeeze and make olive oil whit the Spanish brand
Don't be full
You don't know what you talk about
Great tug of war but Portugal hands down 🙌🏼.There's a certain warmth in people you get in Portugal than in Spain.
Thanks, Sophian. - Josh & Kalie
Portugal vs Spain its like comparing an orange to a lemon! 🤣
😂a lemon! That's funny.
1385 AD Battle of Aljubarrota
6500 Portuguese and English vs 31000 Spaniards and French
Massive Portuguese victory.
It can have the best of 2 worlds, is to live on the border between Portugal 🇵🇹 /Spain 🇪🇸. For example Algarve/Andalusia or Minho/Galicia ❤️
Why does everything have to be "who's best?" They are both fantastic and there are definitely pros and cons to both. The reason I decided Spain was for me was because I do like diversity. And it just offered more choice. I'm at a point in my life where I don't want to buy a house and settle in one place for the rest of my life. Being a resident of Spain gave me more options to move around into different environments. But here is a word to the wise. Portugal is becoming a topic. When the influx of expats hit Portugal, not much land for the influx to hit. And they all want to be on the coast... the southern coast. So.... be careful what you promote. The coast there always reminded me of Southern California. If what I think is about to happen actually does it IS going to become Southern California and that would be just sad. Hang on to your hats Algarve!
I agree about the people (but I'm from the US so honestly both countries have wonderfully friendly people in my book), I think the Spanish culture rules just because of it's history and diversity. I find Spanish to be an easier language and definitely a plus for traveling the world. I don't want to live in a place overrun by english speaking brits and americans. The point is to assimilate to their culture not absorb it into yours. They are both economically similar in my view. The cities are expensive like cities. Portugal rings my bell for the sheer fact that it faces west on the atlantic soooo Sunsets. Only a few places in Spain have sunsets like that. I enjoy the mediterranean over the atlantic though for swimming and boating and just the temps. It's just lovely. I am not even going to compare the food because that is so personally subjective. I guess the only thing I'd add is how many 3 star Michelin's does Portugal have?.. oh none. I never feel in danger in Spain but the pick pockets in the cities are a problem. No doubt about it. One thing I hate about Spain and this is Catalonia specific (and probably the Basque country too, haven't spent a lot of time up there) is the Independistas. It is just too much like the US and it's a turn off. But again. Big country so gonna have bigger problems. The beauty. I can move to many other places with the same residency.
So cheers to both countries. I'd live in either or. Just depends on what your flavor is at the time. Portugal has a faster track to citizenship than Spain so that is a huge plus. I'll be acquiring my Italian citizenship soon which will give me the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU... so you can bet I may just spend a year in Lisbon and then switch it up with a year in Barcelona etc. And I will love them both... like children. :)
Can't hardly wait. It may seem bias of me.... I've visited Spain for quit some time, but lived in the Azores!! Let me see who wins!
Nope! Portugal for the win on food! Spain is great for tapas and drinks, but for food...Portugal!!!!
"Tapas" is a stereothype. Portugal also has a great "petisco" tradition, and "petiscos" are actually Portuguese "tapas".
100 %
Petiscos it has more options than Tapas 😋😋😋
no the portuguese tapas are much much better - we call them 'petiscos'
Food in Spain is more than tapas. Food quality in Spain is way better
Portugal will win.
I am Portuguese native. I think Spaniards are more sociable than us. Instead we are more gentler. They are more extroverts, we are more calm and timid. In general we are more friendlier and helpful with foreigners. Sometimes more than with ourselves.
Oh, yes. Lisbon is much safer than Madrid or Barcelona.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Finally. A portuguese with a balanced argument. I totally agree, by the way.
@@jpedrob Yes, we would agree with that based on what we've seen, but also we were discussing it more from a foreigner's perspective of how easy it is to socialize with Spaniards and Portuguese and like Carlos said, Portuguese are friendlier and more helpful with foreigners.
Thanks for the comment! - Josh & Kalie
Hello,
Great video. Great points. It would be great to see this video type in 1 year time, after gained more Portuguese experience (hopefully more covid free panorama, for you to have the best experience :D) and then turn revise or consolidate the points.
In my view, and also I have had the experience to live and study 1 year in Madrid. In terms of cultural settings, both countries are pure awesome. It is amazing that every corner you discover there is a historic landmark, a monastery, a castle, a palace, a monument from some battle, excellent museums - remember going many times to museu del prado to escape the Spanish summer heatwave and just appreciate a Goya (it was free ticket for students), but also recall visiting the castelo de Tomar - from the Order of Christ, former Templars - and just wowed to see how well maintained the castle are and the amazing stories behind (there are more examples). Both countries have an entwined historic past with common points and share the same number of amazing festivities that vary according to the city, "province" they are celebrated. But, going to more detail is how amazing such a small country and few population that Portugal had comparing to Spain achieved so much and started the discoveries that kicked off to turn the world into a more connected and approach different cultures. (Btw Portugal has the oldest borders and alliance, at one time is was the Portuguese ships that helped England defend their coast).
In terms of food, i think both are similar in the way how they are distributed but of course Spain has more provinces/regions and can have more examples (dunno still about this, because Portugal can have more variety of dishes in a region - ?). But, after you travel or talk to a Portuguese they will remark what part of the country they are and what great food they have - variety of food exist in Portugal, also similar dishes can have different ways to cook acc to the region, and people will fight and be proud of it. Did you know that most of pig producers for the Pata Negra ham are from Portugal (?), also there is a huge variety of enchidos (chorizos) and cheeses that can have diferent ways to produce, alheira de mirandela, morcela, queijo de seia.... In terms of pastries also is the same, probably you know that most of the portuguese pastry where invented from the monasteries of the region from the past, they competed between them and produced typical pastry of the region. It is awesome to find out that when you travel over Portugal - from the ovos moles, pasteis de Belem, doces de maçapão, pasteis de sintra... Even the "Spanish" Tapas it was also a costume in Portugal, you go to a more typical pub and sometimes they could give you some chorizo to accompany your beer, but we have also other diferent tapas that is known as aperitivos like rissois, croquetes, pasteis de bacalhau, variety of cheeses, shrimp with garlic and piri pir, ameijoas a bulhao pato.... i think Portuguese just see as normal this and they lost the wording to the Spain that sold as their tourism slogan. :(
The best way to know the real portuguese life is to escape to the region, outside the big cities. And see life how it is in the countryside. It is a slow and hard life, but people are great and just want to share what they have. Recall alot of trips where we ask around for a restaurant in a vilage and they indicate someone house. We go to eat, and taste the best pork chop and potatoes ever. The cook can talk to you and share they recipe or invite you to see their olive plantation and lagares of olive oil. Smal experience that make great memories. Just go out and seek :)
It is tremendous commentary, Elder. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time to write this after watching a 30 minute light-hearted debate. Tom could have done this video by himself with the amount of time he's been between both countries. We're glad that he let us join in. 😅
It's our plan to travel and we might just revisit this topic in a year's time and hopefully have the "debate" in person 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Yes, the petiscos! Most Portuguese nowadays don't now that word exist!!!
Portuguese people are friendlier fact, speak way better English fact, and have a better health care, fact. So I choose portugal
Thanks for the input, Marco Cash! - Josh & Kalie
HAHAHA Portuguese dont have better healthcare. They have worse. They actually cross the border into spain to have quality medical attention. Specially regarding vaccination and small procedures. WTF, dont speak if you have no idea. Also they are poorer so they have less money to spend on their health care. Portuguese people are sadder and more depressed. Spanish people are way more friendlier and level of English is based on generation, the younger the person the better english they will speak. CHOOSE SPAIN, is way better than portugal.
Sorry but health care isbetter inSpain. Cutbacks and understaff is huge now there. Spain still can hold it together. Sorry but that's the truth
Food? Portuguese food is much better than the Spanish food. Just ask the Spanish why are they going to Portugal so many times?
Yeah...
As a Galician I have yet to meet a Spaniard that says that Portuguese food is better than Spanish food, but hey you do you
This was a fun listen! Great points. Thanks guys!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you, Elizabeth. - Josh & Kalie
No hardy food in Spain (fabada asturiana, cocido madrileño, cocido montañés, alubias con almejas??? Cod dishes bacalao al pil pil ? Wines ??? Only Rioja and Ribera: sherry , cava ribeiro, white wines from Rueda... cognacs ... sparkling wines, rosés... . I am not sayig which is better but...
Really enjoyed 😊❤️
Both countries are Beautiful but Portugal being smaller it's much easier to get to different places in short time 💚 and safety is priority
Thank you, Ana. Glad you enjoyed it. You're certainly right. This comment encapsulates the video very well from our perspective. - Josh & Kalie
I am with you🤩
I disagree. Spain has high speed rail and that makes it easier to get around. I love Portugal but what you said about it easier to get around in is just not true. Portugal doesn't have the Ave
What a fun debate. Very balanced. Great entertainment. We may still end up in Spain but not in Madrid. We are planning a trip to Portugal and Galicia in October. We will also have to visit Asturias before making a decision in 2022.
Thanks, Thomas. We appreciate the feedback. Asturias is a great spot. - Josh & Kalie
Spain is the wisest choice.
Where have to decided upon Thomas ?
Accommodations as well as the people far more likable and friendly. 😘
In terms of wine, we Portugal have fortified wine from Porto and Madeira, we have Green wine, and Rose was invented by Mateus Rose
That's why we say PT - Josh & Kalie
I love the green wine here!
Moscatel de Setúbal, a liqueur wine, for me is the best, it's wonderful! 🍷🍷🍷🤪
Oh boy am I’m looking forward to this one! I’m of Portuguese descent and speak the language fluently yet decided on Spain. 😬 Love both countries however as we currently have been spendings winters in Europe (summers back in the US) the Mediterranean climate was more ideal for us.
Thanks. What did you think? - Josh & Kalie
You can't speak in Portuguese unless you are in Galicia...
@@diogorodrigues747 or head to some of the more remote Azores islands.
@@ExpatsEverywhere great head to head! Loved it. You both hit on some of the pluses and minuses of both country’s (with the limited time you had). You really can’t go wrong with either one!! Counting down the weeks until we return to Spain.
@@paulvieira9191 Yeah, that's true. In some Azorean islands, they speak with a strange accent that not even Portuguese from other parts of Portugal can understand!
Bring it on! Portugal’s got it!
😁 Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
To be honest, I think spanish food is overated... Not in the sense that its bad, but in the sense that everybody knows about it when compared to portuguese food. The variety of portuguese food is also insane given the size of portugal.
Also, just for fun: I found out Portugal is the biggest wine consumer per capita in the world! Crazy. (62 litres/person).
We're doing our part with the wine consumption. - Josh & Kalie
Are we ? I thought it were France
What was the final score? I know Portugal was winning consistently.
Portugal for us by 1 round. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks!!!
I really enjoy your videos.
I am planning to retire and move to Portugal in the second half of 2022. I may be interested in taking your course early next year. The biggest obstacle for me may be acquiring health insurance as a 70-year-old. The language is no problem, since I actually majored in (Brazilian) Portuguese in college.
@@delaro1967 You're welcome. Thank you for watching. We plan on keeping the course as updated as possible. We have no idea if the process will revert back to pre-covid ways but it probably won't in 2022 to be honest. Acquiring health insurance shouldn't be too difficult depending on two factors, money and pre-existing conditions, but you probably already know that. Once you get your residency here, we believe that you'll be able to get on the national system. Keep us posted on things. - Josh & Kalie
Regarding the wine quality, they're pretty much equivalent. The grape varieties, the soils, the climate, the wine making processes, etceteras, make them both excellent regarding the outcome production of what we refer as "table wine". Both countries even share a "green wine" region between Galicia and Northern litoral Portugal.
However there are a couple of exceptions that are unique to both countries, for instance - Madeira wine, Porto wine, Rose wine, are absolutely distinct from any other wines and fortified wines in the world. Funny though, it doesn't come to my memory a single unique wine attributed to Spain...
Spanish wine has indeed far more impact abroad simply because it is produced on a much larger scale and also because Spain's governments tend to favor the exporting process of their national products, even though the exported wine is in most cases a cheaper wine grade that even Spaniards don't consume it for drinking, it is mostly used to season meat or fish.
Portuguese wine can't compete simply due to the greedy and incompetent interference from the Portuguese governments. They always make it harder for pretty much any product to be exported from the country. The ludicrous taxation and bureaucracy discourage even the most persistent investors of exporting their products.
A bit off topic, French wines are extremely overrated! They really are. Any honest person will have to admit that Iberian wines are simply superior in taste, color, texture and fragrance. Romanticised biased opinions will disagree solely based in the french name/status printed on the bottle's label.
Agree
Sounds like a blast! 😛 Can’t wait...
If you learn history you will know that Portugal always win against Spain! Spain bullied us for centuries but we always beat the bully 🤣😂🤣👍🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
😅😆😆😂😂
Oh for f*ck's sake!
Except for one century Spain was always wealthier and bigger. Spain just decided they wanted to keep Catalonia instead of us. They could invade us today and most would probably not complain too much.
@@jpedrob visca catalunYa
but I love every part of spain in fact I love every beautiful land with beautiful people regardless of which part of the world they're -- chillaX guy 🤩
@@jpedrob
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Foolish yourself
No not always... Actually Portugal was swallowed buy Spain for over a century if you didnt know that.
Really enjoyed your video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
You lost my attention and all the credibility after saying Spanish food is better. 🤣🤣🤣
For sure. The diversity of food, real true food, is better in Portugal. Every portuguese regions have amazing dishes.
Our wines are better also, besides rioja wath spanish have. Our tresures are hidden.... ;)
@@omaildoxp1 Of course, in Portugal all regions have great food. In Spain only few of them have great food and one of them is not even "Spain" at all...
@@omaildoxp1 True story
I saw 20 seconds of the video. When the cuisine in Portugal is so rich and diverse and someone gives the Francesinha as the best example, OMG.
Welcome to Porto - Josh
It depends on how old are you and your phase in life.
I'd say that for people at the age of 18 to 30 yo, single and partying, the cities you'll have most fun in are : Sydney, Barcelona and Tel-Aviv.
For people at the age of 30 - 45 yo, rasing a family, I'd say the best cities would be : Melbourne and Braga (very safe, very good education & health systems etc).
There are more cities that would fit the bill (such as Lisbon, Montpellier, maybe Vancouver...), but those above would be at the top of the list imho.
Portugal and Spain! They and all always win.
In Portugal we can do things with bacalhau that you cant even imagine. It can be a tasty meal or a deadly weapon.
And we are so poor that our wine is cheaper. If that plays in our favor!
Portuguese go to Spain and understand them. Spanish go to Portugal: ...
Spanish culture: we are so happy! Let me Sing and dance and hug!
Portuguese culture : *SADNESS sonds*
I remember when Madrid was in a cold wave. I love Snow, so i went to Euronews to see when it would arrive to Lisbon I Saw:
all european capitals :. snow
Lisbon: 22 °C and SUN
About the cost of living, i say again: "IN PORTUGAL WE ARE POOR", so, if you have a medium american salary, then you are very rich in Portugal.
And last but not the least:
Portugal is very safe. Im still Alive... I think....
😁Thanks, Diogo. - Josh & Kalie
The spanish who live near the portuguese border come eat in our restaurants. Spanish food can be very hit or miss. In Portugal you can find a great place to eat very easily. And also small country with large variety of regional food.
don't be full of yoursel, please. You need to be humble but since you are like that I can see you know nothing about Spanish food. Well, I', from Northern Spain, Galicia, and I live close to Porto so when I went on a trip and try the food that you say is so good... I was kind of disappointed, atually. Galician food wins in every aspect, sorry, mate.
@@Risperanto you tell him 😂
Portugal more diversity and more authentical.
Portugal more diversity? How can you say that if Spain is 5x bigger and they have English and Saharan climate in the same country?
One think you don't know about Spanish people, they can't speak portuguese, but we can easily speak Spanish. Amazing!!
You can sky in Serra da Estrela 🙂
Good point. You can ski there. - Josh & Kalie
It's big brother vs little brother. Awesome video as usual.
Thanks for watching, Robert! - Josh & Kalie
Nope, Spain isn't the litle brother: they're just a bit slower ;)
@@miguellemos4669 😂
Thanks for this tug of war. Looking forward to this video. Hope Spain won't disappoint me, as it is such a wonderful country.
How about d best cities to live in Southeast Asia? Kuala Lumpur vs Singapore vs Bangkok vs Jakarta vs Manila.
We'd love to do KL vs SG! 😁 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 😁🇲🇾😁
Go Portugal 💞👏💯🔥🔥
Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
Ditch the music it's distracting,luv your videos,extremely informative and well done.
Thanks for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie
I saw the graphic and said "ohhhhh, boy," the comment section will be LIT! I was not disappointed, LOL!
Thanks, Prachel. The comment section has been wild. I've honestly tried to stay out of it. The knives and (pitch)forks are out. - Josh & Kalie
Nice Beginning Info Video. You have have missed a couple of points. One for Portugal when speaking of the diversity is the inclusion of Madeira (you mentioned once), but Azores, you missed complete! These islands add a fantastic edge to Portugal in almost all categories. Also, when you consider Port and Madeira, I feel it far surpasses Spain even considering their great Sherry.
Thanks for the comment. We're PT 100% but for objectiveness sake if you're going to bring islands into it then Minorca, Majorca, La Palma, Tenerife, Ibiza, Lanzarote. Thoughts? - Josh & Kalie
Such a fun video! And I love the friendship you all have!
Thank you. We appreciate the feedback. It was certainly meant to be fun. Tom's easily one of our best friends abroad. We've seen him in so many places around the world. - Josh & Kalie
Spanish food would never win against Portuguese food, ask the Spanish, a simple coffe is miles away.
I'm Spanish and I prefer my Galician food, so...
PORTUGAL!!!!! Great video guys!!!!!
Thanks! - Josh & Kalie
ARGH!!! I wish, I wish I can be there! In Porto I mean 😅
Warm hugs to Kalie, Cia, & Josh
Aww, let us know what you want to see and we'll try to show you so you feel more connected to Porto. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
Everywhere, wherever you guys go.
Thank you Josh & Kalie, hugs to baby Cia, and you two.
@@leneekay1 😍 Thank you!
Portugal food is the best, Portugal wins.
Portugal is the second country in the world with the highest number of indigenous grape varieties, unique and exclusive, nonexistent in any other part of the world
Nice job you guys! ❤️
Thank you, Amara! - Josh & Kalie
I will let you know once I am in Porto. Readying for a discovery trip.
@@Ignite2Transform yup 👍 let us know. - Josh & Kalie
Cost of living is a good tópic if it includes getting around and using infrastructures that are free and safe such as roads or public transport or private transport that use for ex. Public roads. As per housing prices outside Madrid, Barcelona, San Sebastián, Bilbao some parts of the coast of Malaga and Cadiz are very cheap at the moment even on the Mediterranean coast where there is not an airport (thank god) nearby. Food: Spain is the biggest exporter of fruit and vegetables from September to around end of April-May in Europe, so it cannot be any cheaper anywhere else in Europe. The people : yes we are loud, noisy and bad at English, therefore the first impressions could be very bad, Portuguese are quieter and speak English very well. I am not from Madrid but one good thing about this city is that no one is really from there but everyone who has lived there enough time is considered a madrleño, this does not happen in Lisbon, Barcelona, Sevilla or other big cities in Europe where there is a nationalist element
Anyway I really like Portugal also, I just miss the noise 😆
Why to start with food? Is this really the most important topic for American food obsession??
For some reason, people from 🇬🇧 most of the time complain about Portugal weather and food and sometimes they also minimize in a way the country culture. I'm not sure why 🤔 weather and food from uk is not great and people is not super friendly, also lot of them are relocating to this country where locals treat them super welcomed.
Spanish and Portuguese gastronomy are both amazing but Portuguese food itself is much better this is probably why Portuguese people feel super proud about their food. If you guys go to any little restaurant around Portugal there is a highly positivity to find amazing and well-prepared food make with ❤️ from locals, good ingredients and it'll always serve with a big smile and good vibe.
Diversity food in Spain??? Been in both country, real and rich food is definitely better in Portugal. Go to Portugal to eat American, Italian or other country food will be probably not the best idea but you'll find options for sure.
Wine is great in both countries, Spain has amazing wine as well as Portugal but the diversity of the wine in diferent regions of Portugal is superior no dude and wine cultures is in deep better.
Spanish people is not aggressive that all, they could face the arrogant and rude space with their attitude. Also The Spanish from Spain could sound strong some times and not so sweet for English speakers together with how direct is the personality from Spanish people but in general they‘re also great people of course far from how friendly and humble Portuguese are.
Thanks for the detailed comment. - Josh & Kalie
Great content. My question is regardless house insulation. I've heard stories of people struggling in the winter there because houses are not insulated enough. Was that your experience? Is it possible to rent/buy a house with high energy efficiency and insulation in Portugal? I speak Portuguese and intend to move there at some point but probably some place south, near the Algarve. But winters can still be cold if it's under 60F inside.
Thank you. Good question! Yes, some houses have insulation problems. Yes, you can get a house with good energy efficiency. We've already lived in both. One with good efficiency and one with poor efficiency. - Josh & Kalie
In Spain the problem is almost the same depending on the region...
Pick a house it most of facades facing south....
@@pauvermelho solid advice.
@@ExpatsEverywhere but... be beware if the apartment only has south orientation and no "sun block" (like a varanda above you covering the sun) it can get too hot during the summer
Well done! But I do have a question and it concerns food and meal times. I live in another part of Europe and know that the Spanish generally have their evening meal around 10pm. Living near Italy, it is also late. Is it the same for Portugal and what are the general meal times for each country? Are siestas still part of the routine? Thanks!
Hi, Yogi. Thank you. Siesta doesn't appear to be a thing here at all. Mean times are so different here compared to Spain. It's quite normal hour range to what people in the US, UK, and Canada might be used to (5-10 pm), but not starting at 10 pm like Spain. Obviously mealtime in houses might vary, but what we could tell when restaurants were open, the early crowd would be before 7 pm. It's certainly common for people to go for a snack mid afternoon. Hope that helps - Josh & Kalie
In Portugal we don't have siestas.... lunch is usually between 12pm and 1pm, there's afternoon tea, which might be just a coffee and a pastry or a sandwich, and dinner is usually around 7 or 8pm. Meals are a social event for the portuguese, so on the weekends when we have more time, we gather the family and we can literally spend all day sitting at the table eating, drinking and talking.
@@Meowmeter Thank you so much. I was told that the Spanish eat later because of the heat and that it is easier to sit outside then. I think that I know my choice of where to live! Portugal!
Thanks!
Woah! Thank you very much, Justin! That's really kind of you!!! - Josh & Kalie
En España para esquiar no hay que ir a los Pirineos, hay estaciones de esquí olímpico en Granada y Madrid. Sierra nevada y Sierra de guadarrama.
Las aguas de las playas de Portugal están en el Atlántico, son frías.
Las playas del mediterráneo español son más cálidas.
Wrong about food.
Ask a Spanish if he likes Portuguese food and he will say yes. Ask a Portuguese if he likes Spanish food and you will hear "somethings".
You guys need to experience more different food. Food from the north is more filling, but look for food outside major cities.
PS: the majority of Portuguese starve in a vacations in Spain
According to the report “The state of the world population” of the United Nations Population Fund, Unfpa, in 2019 the total number of people living in Portuguese-speaking countries totals 291.4 million. Currently, the number has passed the 300 million mark.
You guys don't know nothing about food....
Even spaniards prefer portuguese cuisine
He can compare food between Spain and UK or American food
But compare food between Spain and Portugal is crazy Portuguese food is way better
This was so much fun! Thanks for putting it on. You cracked me up, Josh, when you said, "We're not that young anymore to run after our baby." Feel Young Now! Cuz if you're not feeling spry now, it's going to be a hell of a shock when you're getting into your fifties. Oh, my gosh, I would to even be 45 again for the energy I had. Just saying. :-)
Glad you enjoyed it! 😂 I meant running from danger like sketchy people (robbers) 😅 - Josh & Kalie
Portugal!!!
Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
I'm fighting you about the wine! Absolutely! Portuguese wine has way more quality and variety. Besides the red wines from the south and the white wines from the north, you have port wine and Madeira wine are superb. Spain can't win that one, sorry.... Funny fact: Spanish is the easiest language for English speakers people to learn
😂We put PT for the wine though for the win. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere We always fight back, but you know that you are more than welcome in our country and we love that you are promoting our country with your videos! I'm a Portuguese immigrant living in London and I find your videos really cool. That helps with Saudade :)
@@MarilineGPinto thank you 🙏 another lady posted that we should stop promoting the invasion of her country by immigrants. We appreciate your love. - Josh & Kalie
Yes, Portugal has a bigger wine tradition. In most regions of Spain, the most consumed alcoholic product is beer and not wine...
Interesting discussion. One topic that I hoped would be discussed is toilets. Which country has best/cleanest/most accessible public bathrooms?
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Singapore! 😂
No seriously, it's hard for us to say because of the pandemic, we've not really been in establishment to judge. We can't say that Spanish restrooms were particularly bad. Barajas airport is pretty good. Most bars and restaurant are better than average. I can't remember going into the Metro Madrid toilets. - Josh & Kalie
Well, in terms of gastronomy, Spain has 252+/- Michelin-star restaurants (1 - 3 star). Portugal has 28, that's a lot for a little country.
In terms of people, I can only talk about the Spaniards bc I have not been to Portugal. We were treated very well in Spain, but some people can be rude. Here are two instances, we went for coffee at this local café in la Comunidad Valenciana. An older guy served me the coffee and didn't serve my friend anything when I had clearly ordered two in Spanish. He put the coffee in front of me and didn't even acknowledge my friend. Clearly, he didn't want us there. I paid, and we left. I didn't drink the coffee.
Also, in the Comunidad Valenciana, a guy corrected my Spanish right off the top. He said, "Sounds like you are from Burgos." If you know a little about Spanish history, you know that that was a thinly veiled insult. Burgos is where Castellano originated. Well, it was in Valpuesta, a town outside Burgos in the province of the same name.
But, we were treated really well in Madrid, Castilla La Mancha, Andalusia, and Cataluña. You find that type of people everywhere, even in my own neighborhood here in the States. It is not exclusive to the Spanish, but if it is something that if you are gonna have to live with every day, it would not be a good place to live. I was a tourist, we were just passing by.
Thanks for sharing your experience! 252 to 28 is a large difference, isn't it? In our 2 years in Spain, we had some similarly awkward experiences but none yet that stick out in Portugal. Thankfully. - Josh & Kalie
Girona for me , looking for a move in 2022 as a uk retiree , Brexit freedom of movement permitting of course. Liked and subbed.
Great! Thanks for sharing. We appreciate you subscribing. We hope you make it through the Brexit hurdles. - Josh & Kalie
My hubby and i are hoping to move to Portugal in a few years time. Im retired but hubby doesn't get his pension for another 6yrs . We will be applying for the D7 visa when the time comes. Hoping to go for a holiday to Portugal in Sept if trav is allowed from the Uk to have a look at different areas. Love the video and the banter between them. Both fighting there corner. Portugal sounds amazing. Thank you
Thanks, Jane! We appreciate several things here. First, thank you for the public sub. We really love seeing that little red icon next to your name and we can see that you're new to the channel so welcome! Second, thank you for the backstory on you and your hubby. Congrats on your retirement. Please let us know if we can help in any way even though your expected move is 6 years away. We hope you can make your scouting trip this September. - Josh & Kalie
Spanish have a harder time accepting foreigners they are very proud like the English.. They always ask what are u doing there.. And if u don’t speak Spanish too bad they don’t feel like they have to speak ur language if u are visiting their country.. I didn’t have a problem for whatever reason they will tell me I was their people.. but they complain to me about foreigners of not Iberian decent.
Thanks
You're welcome. - Josh & Kalie
PORTUGAL
We have variety in Portugal mate..
Portugal, for sure
Hei @expats everywhere, after the pandemic you will need to go deep into the portuguese cuisine around the country, then you would never give away the prize for most diverse food to Spain! Never! 😂🥳🥳🥳
Agreed on this one, my top two meals ever were in Angra do Heroísmo and Palmela, both in Portugal. I love food from everywhere and try not to be biased, but Portugal takes the prize for me on food.
We do plan to travel more as it's true we've experienced more Spanish food than Portuguese food due to several factor and covid being one. The difficult thing for us to reconcile is what seemingly non-biased rankings say and we went through a dozen and couldn't find 1 where Portuguese food ranked higher than Spanish food. End of the day, we respectfully say that it's personal preference. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Rankings sucks... Most Spanish on the border go to Portuguese restaurants. If the Portuguese food was worse, why did they go here?
@@diogorodrigues747 would it really matter for us to even reply? 😂
@@ExpatsEverywhere :D :D :D
Portugal sounds cool. I also watched your video on Singapore. Where do you prefer living? You guys mentioned feeling at home in Singapore, just curious if you feel that way in Portugal.
Hi Patrick, it's a really great question. To be 100% honest, it's a little too early to say we truly feel at home here in Portugal. Covid restrictions have a lot to do with that because we haven't been able to meet people and make a better friend network. In Singapore, we had our work friends as well so that community was instant when we arrived. We don't have that here. We have each other as work partners if that makes sense but beyond that, we don't have other instant connection like you would in a company. Our Singaporean friends really gave us great insight into the country and we didn't make those friendships until 6 months or more into living there so we're hoping once there are less restrictions, we can work on expanding our Portuguese network and learning more from locals. So it's too early and unfair to make judgements, however, we love Singapore and could see ourselves going back there to live. We would need ExpatsEverywhere to be bigger or more sustainable financially, honestly, because the cost of living is much higher there and the visa requirements are different than here. Does that help answer your question? Thanks for asking, Patrick. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Totally makes sense. Thanks for the detailed response. You guys rock!!
@@OralCareRoutine You're welcome. Thank you 🙏🥰 We'd love to be asked the same question in 6 month's time. Deal? We should have a clearly and different answer 😅 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Sounds good. I will be on the lookout 🍷🍷
Portugal is more fir either who is starting a family or retirees, and not fir teenagers and young people looking fir jobs
But Spain has a much higher unemployment than Portugal and the purchasing power has been dropping over the last years.
Yes, Spain is better for young people but it's not because of jobs. Spain, and mainly Southern and Eastern Spain, have a great night and amusement culture that Portugal generally does not have (maybe with the exception of the Algarve Coast).
What did you all think? - Josh & Kalie
Thank you Diogo...that’s true !
@@ExpatsEverywhere That’s what locals are saying plus reviews from expats ❤️
@@N17sd definitely. We know a few younger Portuguese that have moved abroad for job opportunities.
Safety : have you driven on the local roads of Portugal and the ratio of accidents per Year!!??
No, how does it compare to Spain? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere highways are great in Portugal but local 'national' roads perhaps a bit narrow and perhaps "dangerous' is a strong word but perhaps more 'complicated'.
@@javierlav Thanks for explaining. The way we were using safety here is more personal safety in regards to pickpocketing and muggings. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere ok
Well you have to live with the Portuguese a bit more to understand better this culture. I am lliving already for 3 years in Porto area and situation is that as a foreigner your chances to get friends with the Northen ppl here are few to none. Reserved to their circle of friends and family,unfriendly and too damn serious, with random bursts of laughter which last short and then again this sad feeling that they give away. They do say that ppl in the south of the country are different but for the better or the worst I dont know..Portuguese of the North of course dont like the Lisbon and below the geographic map, people
Foods in Portugal are way better than that in Spain.
Thanks for the comment, Ellen. - Josh & Kalie
I had some great port in the Azores when I sailed transatlantic years ago.
Nice, Viviann. Do you remember the name of it? Thanks for the comment and great to see your public subscription! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
I lived in algarve concerning the heating is bull shit,i never spent any cent in heating,the sun is enough,believed me
OK, but you live in one of the most warm regions in Iberia in the winter...
I would give it 8-0. Portugal. Josh, you put up a good fight, Kalie just threw you to the dogs, and kept calling a tie! Kalie, was up with that! ? and who is this English bloke?
😂End of the day, it's very subjective. It's what the viewer wants. The English bloke is one of our best expat friends. We put that story in the description section. - Josh & Kalie
Honestly, I think that Portugal beats Spain in many types of food. Starting with seafood, quite honestly, Portuguese seafood is better than the Spanish. There's a reason why Galician seafood is considered by the Spaniards themselves as the best region for seafood in Spain; Atlantic > Mediterranean. And the best Atlantic coastline in Iberia is in Portugal.
Also, grilled chicken is better in Portugal, as well as sweets, desserts, fortified wines and bread.
Spain, on the other hand, has better jamon, and possibly red wine, cheeses and olive oil.
Yes, and Galicia is probably the ONLY place in Spain that actually has real seafood, and no, it's not only octopus. The other regions don't have almost nothing...
Portugal doesnt beat Spain in food. Galicia has better seafood than Portugal. Also you seem to forget that Galicia isnt the only place in Spain that is in the Atlantic. You have Cantabria, Asturias and the Basque country as well. A coast as large as that of portugal. Plus you have to add the Canary Islands.
@@Alejojojo6 It does. The Portuguese coast is much better than the Spanish for seafood. No way in hell Galiza has better seafood than Portugal.
220 millions native speakers?
That's only Brazil+Portugal
There are Angolan an Moçambique native speakers too (1st language)
And Macau, Goa, Timor.....
@@Meowmeter I was talking about 1st language
In São Tomé e Príncipe it's also 1st language to a lot of people but they are not many so I didn't putted
No es vergüenza, es pena. Vergüenza is when you have done something wrong. Pena is when you are insecure about something.
Just curious, are you from Spain?
the Spanish always come to eat our food i don't thing you guys know enough of Portuguese food ,variety ?the guy in spain is years from knowing portuguese food and varieties ,i went to the UK the worst country i ever visit when it comes to food ,pub food, fish and chips ,that's why most eat at indian and italian restaurants an English guy talking about food is like a Chinese talking about driving
100% truth. That was unexpected...
That is actually very racist to associate Asian with bad driving.
How about domestic travel and traveling in Europe? What country is easier and more economic to travel to and from?
We were going to talk about it but it's also so comparable and we already had a few of those topics. One could argue that Madrid and Barcelona offer better flights to destinations outside of Europe. Lisbon and Porto have decent connections within Europe. It's easier to travel Portugal domestically due to the size of the country, but all in all, they're pretty similar in that regard. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere thank you!
Both are great, I love Spain. OK.
I am a hiker…I assume Spain is better….what areas?
The Spanish they buy the grapes from Portugal to make Spanish wine mate
Where did you find that? That's false because lots of Portuguese wines are made with types of grapes that have origin in Spain! Where do you think "aragonez" or "alvarinho" come from? Come on!!
@@diogorodrigues747 where did I found it?
Come to Peso da régua in September and u will find out
@@mariopereira9196 Well, I actually didn't go to Peso da Régua in September (I went there in July), but I'm a bit surprised because Galicians have also their own Douro Valley (Ribeira Sacra) and with a very similar climate too.