It's the end of Renault as we know it
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Is Alpine to go and sack itself? Renault is about to drop itself in favour of another engine maker...huh?!
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Discover the shocking news about Renault's potential exit from Formula 1 as Alpine considers dropping Renault engines due to poor performance and internal dissatisfaction. Bruno Famin's bold move to seek customer deals with rival manufacturers like Mercedes, Honda, or others could dramatically reshape the team's future. With Renault admitting their struggles in the turbo hybrid era and uncertainty about future improvements, the implications for drivers Pierre Gasly and Esteban Ocon are significant. Gasly's future with Alpine hangs in the balance as the team navigates these potential changes, while Ocon's departure might seem fortuitous amidst the turmoil. The FIA may even mandate a new engine supplier if Alpine can't secure one voluntarily. Dive into the latest developments, speculations, and what this means for the future of Alpine and Renault in Formula 1. Will Alpine rise to the challenge, or will they face further setbacks? Don't miss out on this in-depth analysis-subscribe and hit the bell icon for all the latest F1 updates and insights!
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It's the end of Renault as we know it
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Mercedes could use the engine to get a seat for mick
It's a power play. Famin is pushing Renault to spend the cash. Wouldn't be surprised if Renault go to Yamaha hand in hat saying "Please, my son. He's very sick." Holds up engine.
Oooops 16:30 MARIO Andretti certainly NOT Michael Andretti.
Plenty engines around to rebrand. So they can use the savings to get better Staff for the F1 Team.
Red Bull has no right to Honda IP. So they are not modifying a Honda Engine.
And i think Red Bull wants to supply engines as they showed Zak Brown around the Factory last year.
Renault sacking Renault is the most Renault thing I've seen recently
Baguette !
@@into_the_void Honhonhon
My Renaults electrics and mechanicals used to fight each other regularly 😁
I'm guessing it's still part of El Plan
Right?
And that’s what you call a Civil War which the French knows a thing or 2 about
Meanwhile, Andretti, who would have brought in an engine manufacturer along them, are still being gatekept
Did Andretti say they will bring a new manufacturer in 2026? I've read Cadillac can only make it by 2028?
They were gonna run a rebatched Renault PU
@Roguescienceguy initially they planned to switch to a GM one in 28
@@sujjo I didn’t say „by 2026“ 😅
At this point, I’m convinced that F1 is just doing this to let Andretti do all the unsanctioned testing they want so they can be competitive from the jump.
F1 will tell Andretti no, but tell Alpine that they will make other teams give them an engine… Weird organization.
Ironically, Renault may have been motivated to continue the 2026 engine project if they’d had a customer team like Andretti (until GM’s ready in 2028) to at least somewhat justify the investment.
Ain't no team want to be a customer for the worst engine developer in F1 history 😂
@wile123456 that's the thing with renault, either they make a great engine, or completely flop it. There is no in-between 😂
@@djmustang000 which of their engines ever was good?
@@Marco-xz7rf the rs25 and rs26 from the 2005 and 2006 seasons for the r25 and r26 chassis respectively.
*Sad baguette noises*
my croissants started crying as soon as they heard the news..
ZUT ALORS!
Ah, I always wondered what the French translation of "stuff it" was. Thanks!
>use unreliable Mecachrome engine for Hypercar
>engine blows up in testing
>ignore that and use the engine in a 24hr race
>engine explodes
Damn, who could've seen that coming 🤔
I think that's because of the homologation tho
As far as I know is a quite long process to change anything on the car, Porsche changed their crankshaft and that was some long process
I think some of the former employees of Ginetta might've seen it coming...
🙌 I could’ve seen that coming
Imagine the outcry when people find out that Alpine/Renault doesn't build the chassis either? 😂😂😂😂
i know it's never gonna happen, but alpine being powered by a red bull engine would be HILARIOUS after the history they have.
Hilarious 😂😂😂😂
red bull engine ? as in using a drink as fuel ?
@@pikminologueraisin2139 maybe it'll give them wings
@@pikminologueraisin2139RB-powertrains in case you weren't joking
@@pikminologueraisin2139 at risk of me being r/whooooshed (you just don't look like you're kidding 🤷🏻♀️), RB are making their own power train with Ford for '26.
Oscar laughing in the background along with Mark Webber. Kudos to Mark Webber, he did sense something so bad that they risked being followed by a lawsuit.
Ocon's probably passed out from all the laughing he's done.
@Jesseface94 suddenly, Ocon being shown the Alpine door is a sort of blessing.
But he is still currently unhireable, as he is too much of a serial killer on the track.
@@macrossMX Leave it to HAAS they'll take him
What's this about Webber?
@@TheOneWhoMightBe Piastri’s manager, no doubt had a hand in helping him escape the Alpine debacle.
Meanwhile, Andretti is not allowed because they would be PU customer...and "not competitive." What a joke!
They also have the BALLS to say that Andretti and Cadillac aren't "heavy names" to bring. Andretti, named after an F1 champion and is a powerhouse at Indy, and Cadillac, a centenary company and probably the largest luxury car brand in all of America, while also racing at Le Mans...
Andretti were not allowed in because they don't bring anything to the table. Or not much. That was the right call. Formula 1 needs to expand it's reach with new members. Andretti does not do that.
@@desshinnick9365 never was the right call, they never brought in any substantial evidence that suggested it
Andretti for the first couple years supplied by one of the existing PU manufacturers (forced) would "bring the sport into disrepute". How is this any different? Alpine bringing the sport into disrepute!
@@desshinnick9365 big name American team, based in America, American engines, F1 wants to expand in America, willing to stump up $2bn in advance = no value added.
Haas - 0 podiums, struggle to get sponsorship, outsource car design and manufacture, outscoring only Sauber and Manor since making their debut = value added
A French team kicking out their own French power supplier? *French revolution intensifies*
I love F1 but this is becoming a joke. Denying Andretti and General Motor an entry and allowing Alpine to shove their engines is ridiculous. Just lift the engine freeze for them.
Agree completely, and you gave me an idea. Do you think at least part of Alpine's motive for publicly discussing a possible customer engine deal could actually be a ploy to get dispensation from the development freeze? Maybe the other engine manufacturers would rather grant Renault a mulligan than supply Alpine F1 with power units.
Lifting the engine freeze because they suck would be even more of a joke.
@@louiscypher4186 don't the worse teams get more wind tunnel/cfd testing time? so let the worse engine have more time to develop too.
@@tiagoferreira5368 You didn't suggest extra bench time you suggested they and they alone should be able to develop their engine.
Additionally there's no BoP for engines in F1, we have no metrics for actual engine performance.
Being a customer team is another way of saying you ain't got confident to make you're own engine
I mean, are you really gonna expect Williams or Haas to make their own power units?
@@HKSFangirl yeah they just do not have the budget for it
@@HKSFangirl no but Alpine is a renault racing team and renault is a factory or company that make their own engine. Williams and Haas is not a factory team and don't have a company or factory to make their own engine
@@nazxhere yes, but all you said was that being a costumer teams means you aren’t confident enough to make your own engine, which applies to Haas and Williams as they’re costumer teams…
The most typically French turn of events I heard in a while.
Renault - We make F1 engines, and occasionally run a works F1 team... usually called Renault.
Alpine, nee Renault - "I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
Andretti - "So when F1 said our bid didn't cut the mustard, was that English or French?"
Might we see a return of the Toleman name? What does the foam of doubt think?
PS: Always assuming Andretti and Chevrolet continue to be unreasonably blocked, what happens if Stroll continues to refuse to pull his finger out or leave Aston? What if 'Alpine' with a new Honda engine and two proper drivers starts to do better than Aston!?!
Rip. I'm a lifelong fan of renault even though they have been ASS. Those 2 titles with Nando was just incredible.
It's funny to me, that they're 2nd behind Ferrari in title wins for engines, yet nearly all of them are as supplier and not the whole works outfit.
Even funnier...out the 12 titles they won 10 of them were Newey cars. ☠
@@Ruben-to9yk the last good Williams were Newey cars if I remember right.
@@maxomat4319 03 should have been montoya
@@maxomat4319The last championship winner was a Newey car. Their last truly competitive car was the FW25 from 2003 by the work of Gavin Fisher, Antonia Terzi, and BMW.
Yep same, been a Renault fan of some form since the FW14, through all the ups and downs, and even I have to admit their being powered by Honda isn't a bad thing!
Its sad seeing Renault fall apart like this.
......WELL, IT'S ALL ABOUT MASSIVE PURGES FROM NON FRENCH STAFF
.......BECAUSE.... *_RENAULT OWNS TEAM_* ...
This is a classic show of French incompetence. Bruno Famin was in charge of the engine department of Renault in 2022, its all his fault and yet he blames the company for the bad engine. The interim Team principle and at the first time of asking the car was about +/-10 kg's over weight. It's very clear that he doesn't know what he is doing and instead of firing smart, competent & valuable staff, Renault should fire him. Bruno is and incompetent tyrant.
He seems like another Rossi. Bruno makes criticisms like "Ocon is too impulsive" while having a temper tantrum on national TV. Everyone is supposed to have a cool head except him. Get him and everyone like him out of the sport.
When I saw the video title I thought of the song, but wasn’t expecting a performance. Well played, LadderMan!
I did exactly the same thing 😂
Imagine if Alpine can't get any engine deal sorted and is then forced by the FIA to use Renault engines since they're the manufacturer supplying the least amount of teams...
There's rules in place requiring existing engine suppliers to supply them.
We need a whole album
Soooooo selling to Andretti when?
Andretti probably doesn't have the money to buy an overpriced ass team. Not worth it tbh
A piece of turd can't sell for money no matter how hard you try. Andretti already has a better facility and staff than alpine.
Given the FIA alongside F1 telling Andretti to buy a team out, and the upcoming Concorde agreement renewal apparently to restrict the number of teams to 10, either Alpine (or any other team) sells to Andretti or pulls out entirely and Andretti fill the void
@wile123456 take a break buddy. You don't have to respond to every single comment
Converting to a customer operation realllyyyy feels like a door opening for for a future Andretti purchase..
Better than Renault
Already got an American in an ownership position (Ryan Reynolds) which should make it a lot easier.
@@deanchur Canadian. RR is Canadian.
if they can come up with a billion dollars
No they only need 750 million
At least for me, it makes sense what Bruno is doing. My guess is that they are looking at the engine regulations, their current technology, and design and have found that they will not be able to compete against other engine manufacturers. So, from a business standpoint, it makes sense to change your supplier to something more competitive while reducing the expenses of building an engine. Not to mention, Alpine becoming a customer team does not only give Honda and Aston an entry way, but also Cadillac/GM an entry to F1 too. I know losing the works team status is a big deal but it's a bigger deal not making the necessary changes to succeed.
Andretti/Alpine partnership with Cadillac engine bringing a new supplier to the grid. The amount of investors/eyes on the team would be insane.
Alpine would be forced out of F1 if they teamed up with Andretti :/
@@Jesseface94good
Alpine will be just a Client. Andretti/Cadillac is Main-Team and also Engine Supplier!
Why would Andretti waste money on that, when they already purchased a better facility and staff than alpine has? There is nothing of value, aside from the spot in F1, that would make Andretti buy them
@@wile123456 It's true that the only worthwhile thing for Andretti would be the F1 seat, but it could arguably be worth it. They could just sell off the Enstone facility. It would piss off a lot of people in the short term, but Enstone has such a huge reputation in F1 history that inevitably someone (either a pre-existing team, or an interested third party like a Lawrence-Stroll type character or a former driver) would buy it, and it could even end up as a "stealth" method of getting an extra team onto the grid. If Andretti could buy the Alpine team and sell Enstone, there would be a huge amount of pressure (much greater than the current pressure from fans to let Andretti in) to let a new Enstone team compete.
They should donate this team to Andretti 😂
its got a market value of 1 billion dollars and probably more with 2026 regs
Damn you, I sung that in my head before clicking the video...
It's been stuck in my head all morning.
Michael Andretti is currently sitting somewhere with a steel chair
I think you are reading too much into it. To me, it's more likely Renault putting pressure onto the FIA to allow them to adjust their engines, as they have been denied recently.
Bingo. I think Renault are going to really go inn on the next regs. Wouldn't be surprised if they don't just give up and do the expensive option of going to yamaha and saying. "Fix? Please!!! You fix? Here money."
I’m calling it, Alpine has 2 new drivers next year
Again, lemans engines were not renault, they were Mechachrome...
Part owned by Renault. Involved with Renault performance products, and were chosen by Renault
Mechachrome build Renault Engine designed engines.
The LeMon engines were modified Renault F1 engines
Before trying to sound smart...maybe learn who designs Mechachrome engines. 😂
Guess who helps design and who part owns them
@@AtlanticwayExplorerthey were actually the f2 engines
i saw a comment on twitter saying " leave it to the french to give up"
edit: also, its unfair that the 10 teams is 9 owners. Andretti would be an 11th team but a 10th owner.
0:32 - Just in case you didn't know, the engines that went bang at Le Mans were not Renault engines, but Mecachrome F2 engines.
And who owns mecachrome
@@frozenuruguayball6436 Not Renault.
They were modified to hell and back by Renault. Hell they had €150 million engine budget for the A424.
Stop making excuses.
@louiscypher4186 They're still Mecachrome engines. It's not making excuses, it's hard facts.
@@still_guns They've already spent €150 million redesigning. By Alpines own claims all the internals and the ECU have been completely replaced with Alpines engineering at Viry-Chatillon. They are vastly removed from Mechachromes engine and you know it.
Your pathetic attempts to distance Alpine from their failures does nothing but undermine the hard (although incompetent) work that Alpines engineers did.
I have dropped one (1) like, there best be a full version of that song Ladder Man!
Hopefully in a Nappa voice (he did the voice for Nappa in DBZ Abridged all those years ago)
@@deanchurHe was Goku wasn't he?
@@deanchur
That was Takahata101.
This man is MasakoX aka Goku and Gohan.
"tu sais quoi ? bourre-le !"
or even better "tu sais quoi ? empaille-le !"
it's either merde, salot or pute. thats how far my french goes...
Alpine Honda (sounds fricking awesome) with Gasly and Tsunoda? LET THE SHIPPING BEGIN ANEW!
French are proud, won't go through that shame, they prefer exit entirely and sell Alpine, than rather have Renault own Alpine without Renault engines.
Renault didn't thought this through. They thought: Mmmm FRANCE
I think I speak for all of us when I say, we all need the full version of that intro song!
Tbh, what happened at Le Mans was not a surprise. Using a F2 engine on a endurance race was a stupid idea.
Did they take advice from Alonso during McLaren Honda 😅😅
I dont watxh wev they used literal f2 spec engine?
"Stuff it" would be "va t'faire" (with the follow up being voluntarily left blank) in my book ;)
As a French person, they make us look bad, honestly. Just sell the team to Andretti and concentrate on WEC. Buy Mechachrome engines that Renault doesn't build to avoid bad engine reputation for the big brand. It's the only way I see Alpine still in motorsport in the long term without looking like a bunch of amateurs.
By the way, "stuff it" en French is "rien à foutre" :)
If Renault won’t use Renault engines……..who the heck ever would
I don’t see how a works team that produces it’s own engine can just say “our engine sucks, daddy FIA make them give us one of their good engines” and then the other guys are just forced to comply. If your engine is terrible then figure it out.
All the while blocking a team from entering who seem to be very dedicated and ambitious.
Alpine can't stop catching L's across Motorsport
Dumping your engine is pretty embarrassing for a works team. They can sell the team for a billion dollars and go focus on WEC or something instead.
Andretti/Cadillac, will always be a main F1-Team & Main Engine Supplier!
Only Renault would fire themselves 🤦♂️
If there is any sign they should just sell the team to Andretti, it is this.
There’s some weird stuff going at Alpine right now, this just continues to highlight that. I mean they are a Renault brand after all, so abandoning their parent company’s engines is just plain odd.
When I read the title I instantly sang the title in my head and i was not dissapointed when u came up the ladder
Gasly must be talking to Audi now. Alpine wouldn’t get rid of gasly if deal goes through unless they want Doohan to be their main driver
Give the spot to andretti. If they dont have an engine its a joke that the other teams have to give them a deal. You have a team with actual fans and a waiting market and one without either of those things or an engine. U choose.
😂 Andretti proposed using Renault engines until 2028, when GM would have their own PU's ready.
i saw the article within 30 minutes and was just waiting for you to make a video about it 🎉
Not surprised: 2015 anyone? Lotus ditched their Renault engines into Mercedes while undergoing a transitional Renault Management?
they werent owned by renault at that point, they just switched suppliers
Here's an upvote for that genius intro. Too good!
They went from being Renault to being Redundant in a span of a couple of years
I dont know what the lmdh alpine blowing up have to do with them changing their engine. the alpine lmdh uses the notoriously unreliable mecachrome used in F2, and have nothing to do with renault.
edit: the hybrid system is also a spec unit from williams
You're forgetting the part where Alpine allocated€150 million to be spent modifying and redeveloping the V36 specifically for their hypercar.
Nico Lapierre: "It has been a lot of work to adapt this engine to endurance racing. The structure is the same, but everything inside has been changed and one of the strengths of Alpine, they have a lot of engine bench in Viry-Châtillon, and I can assure you that the engine was running a lot on the bench."
“The engine control system is also fully specific to the A424 and entirely developed and calibrated by Alpine Racing in Viry"
Claiming they had nothing to do with the engine is just cope. They wanted to save money by modifying and engine instead of building it from scratch and it blew up in their face.
Again €150 budget in the first 12 months alone.
I distinctly remember when Renault poached Ricciardo from RBR, and Abiteboul was gloating to Horner. What did he say again? “It needs an engine and a driver”, or something like that. Hmm.
I could see merc giving alpine their engines if they put Mick in their car for the next few years. Just a thought
The engine development freeze was ahuge mistake. Nowadays if you come out the gate with an underperforming engine, you can kiss goodbye any chance at being competitive until the regulations change.
??? Apparently, you don’t understand the engine development freeze. Who do you think would’ve been coming out of the gate with an underperforming engine? Why do you think that the manufacturers who have shown interest in F1 in recent years weren’t looking to enter until 2026?
The development freeze has only ever applied from partway through 2022 until the end of 2025.
The only reason it exists is to give teams a chance to work on the 2026 engine without having to keep up with a development race with the current engines.
F1 had already reached the point where no new engine manufacturer was going to join, specifically because it’s a given that when you first enter into F1, your engine isn’t going to be competitive at first, and no manufacturer was going to put in the time and money into developing an engine when the engine regulation change on the horizon - it would have been too much investment into something that was just going to get scrapped by the time it had a chance of being successful.
We need a full version of that
someone should send msg to Cyril telling him that "his Renault" will start buying Horner`s engine 😂
All I know is I have never seen an Alpine road car in the wild and I was just in Paris for a couple of days.
There was talk of Alpine considering dropping the '26 Renault power unit and becoming a customer team weeks before Le Mans. After already having invested a lot of time and money in to the power unit.
Cue Andretti to buy them and be done with all this “tosh” as you Brits say..😉
Only possibility will be Cadillac not Ford … a bit of complicated management structure I suppose…😊😅😅
The "You know what Stuff it" bit rang similar bells to some versions of John Cleese's French Accent, Love it 😅
@LawVS that intro was mint. 10/10 instant banger. P1. 🎉. Seriously though, very clever.
Pls dont do a full version. And promise to never do that again.
I'd absolutely be here for a full version of the song
Sacre Bleu
What I don’t understand is why Renault is still hanging on to Bruno Famin. The guy is the epitome of incompetence. They decided to replace Otmar with a downgrade. I will not be surprised if you will hear more excuses from this guy. It was actually good for Ocon to leave a toxic environment.
Voting for a full version of "End of Renault as We Know It"
This has eventually became my favourite F1 related UA-cam channel, I'm gunna need like 2 videos a day 😭
Renault’s loss is Andretti’s gain. In some wild world, Renault gains Andretti engines, giving them their in. This gives Andretti the ability to do a gradual take over and hit the ground running. Very nice.
That song is stuck in my head now, with the word "Renault." 😏
A candidate for a possible engine manufacturer I’d like to see: Nissan
1. They’re part of the same alliance (Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi)
2. Nissan has a presence in motorsport through Nismo, participating in Super GT and Formula E
3. Immediate rivalry with fellow Japanese automaker Honda, who will be supplying engines for Aston-Martin in 2026
I haven't event started the video and I already want a full music album.
Lawrence, I knew that parody song was coming the minute I saw the title! I bet you and the Team Four Star gang will have a field day with a full-length version of that song!🤣👍
I'd probably translate "Stuff it!" as "Enculer!" but that's a touch more crass.
Alpine Honda with Gasly & Tsunoda?
Yes please, their bromance/friendship was fun to watch ahaha
I'll say one thing about Renault/Alpine no driver except Alonso, who has worked with that team has ever returned to that team after their first time there. It really doesn't make them look like a team to drive for.
Sainz doesn't even view it as an option, Riccardo dropped them when McLaren became an option and Alonso dumped them for Aston Martin a team that was almost always at the back of the pack, the previous year and had his best season in a long time.
Honda is probably gonna suck in 2026 why you think red bull aint putting effort to keep them 🤔
if Renault does not want to leave, then I don't think they will. If Alpine goes to FIA saying they don't have an engine, the FIA would almost certainly ask Renault to supply them first. After all honda and audi might only have a single team they'd be supplying but Renault would be at 0, if Renault wants to stay and no oter team wants Alpine then I don't think the FIA will be in a hurry to save them just because it would make Bruno happier.
I thought of "The End of Evangelion" as "The End of Alpine-Renault" but this one fits
wasn’t the Andretti Cadillac engine initially just going to be a rebranded Renault engine or did i read wrong earlier in the Andretti news cycle?
The Renault engines guy could just be working on their engine but taking longer and seeing what others do but this is my best and logical explanation for all of this
Why do you claim that the Aston Martin Honda unit will be brand-new and not the current Redbull one? This is the opposite of what the truth is, the Red Bull unit will be brand-new and the Honda unit in the Aston Martin will be an upgrade of the existing unit
That intro was absolutely hilarious. Well done
The seasone finale of the Alpine will be when Bruno fires Bruno. 🎉
5:54 That and I'm sure Horner still has "Vietnam flashbacks" working with Cyril, so he definitely gonna say a hard No to working with the French.
If the Alpine and Honda shotgun wedding does happen, then we'll have Super Aguri Part II in 2026 (this time run by the French instead of the Japanese)
Before i even saw the video i sang the same tune. Just perfect
The might as just sell to Andretti.
Imagine having Honda to supply a Nissan/Renault team what a embarrassment. At this point, just sell it to let other teams (Andretti) to come in and actually have a team, racing heritage, GM backing to the grid.
YESSSS! i want a full version!
After all the shits they gave RedBull,,, I'm happy to gear this.
a) Peugeot is Stellantis while Renault is with Nissan (and Mitsubishi).
b) the Alpine LMH engine is actually built by Mecachrome.
c) Michael Andretti finished 11th in 1993, Mario is the champion.
Am I the only one to read the title with the melody of REM?
Honda benefitted since 2019 from gathering data from 4 instead of 2 cars when it came to engine development (up until the engine freeze). Surely they would be interested in doubling their cars for 2026. Honda as a carmaker also obviously sees no conflict of interest with their Aston partnership, as they sell roadcars for different audiences (bar the NSX). The same could be said about Alpine, although Honda and Renault are rivals for road cars. Renault buying F1 engines from one of their competitors does seem somewhat embarrasing.
Full length version please!!
inb4 Alpine sells to Andretti.
Also it'd be legitimately hilarious if Gasly and Tsunoda wind up on the same team, again. They just can't escape eachother.
This only makes sense if Renault is supplying Andretti as a customer team in 2026. Otherwise I'm absolutely confused.