Catholic vs Protestant on Salvation (Faith Alone or Faith and Works?)
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- Catholic vs Protestant on Salvation (Faith Alone or Faith and Works?) Protestants accuse Catholics of being saved by works, but Catholics don't believe in salvation by works. Catholics believe we are saved by faith and works and that faith alone is dead and doesn't save.
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Another great response brother.
If I were Satan, this is where I would insert fault lines within the faithful. This division is both based on and further fueled by pride.
Sola fide is anti-scriptural and therefore a departure from the claim of Sola Scriptura. Sadly, many have been so programmed against the Church that they cannot see their error. Many actively war against the Church, which grieves me. But we should love and encourage them to hold fast to trusting in God to maintain and uphold His Church, as Christ Himself said to Peter “And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. After all, Satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. He is our true adversary that delights in our division. In Heaven, we will all be unified with Him and one another. Praise be to God! His kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Sola fide ain’t anti-scriptural brotha, its fully backed up by Sahih Hadiths 👉 The doctrine of Sola fide was first introduced by allah in Sahih al-Bukhari 1338, Book 23, Hadith 93.
@@Catholic-Defenderim confused with ur statement and in your name 😂
@@Catholic-Defenderain’t no way you’re referencing Islamic Hadith to back up Christian doctrine 😂😂😂
@@_Joshuaaustins_ Christian doctrine 😀😀😀 have you got a brain 😉
@@Catholic-Defender I’m sorry, I don’t understand your comment?
How about the prayer that Jesus taught us and He says we have to forgive as we want to be forgiven so that is an action or a work but I guess protestants don’t have to forgive 😮😮😮
Exactly.
[ Matthew 5:14-16 ] Jesus “You are the light of the world .... Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good WORKS and glorify your Father who is in heaven”
[ Philippians 2:12 ] Workout your own salvation with fear and trembling
Yeah but this just means you'll get rewards in heaven, not losing our salvation Catholics. Lol 🤦🏻♂️ 😪
That's exactly how a prot would respond to that, when its literally right in front of their face, but to Spiritually blind to see it.
That St. Paul is saying telling us to "Work Out" our salvation, not "Working for our Salvation"...
There's a difference between working towards something, & working for something.
"Working for" like being a slave for Allah, & have to work for somebody. Working towards something, & working for someone. They are 2 completely diff definitions in my opinion. Bc one u freely choose to "Work out", & the other u have to "Work for".
But Idk how prots can't see this, it doesn't get any more clearer than this.
Even with the sola fide favorite vs to quote ~Ephesians 2:8-9; that we are saved by grace, & not of works, lest anyone should boast CATHOLICS...
But they never want to quote verse 10, the very next verse that literally says that we are God's "WORKMANSHIP", to do "Good Works", which God had ordained that we should keep "Working"
Hello Prots!!!!!!!!!
@@onlylove556yes we save by Grace not work. Just read the verse. If you believe in salvation why don't you work your salvation?
@@angellicat.n.g2382 yes that's what the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church teaches, that we are saved by Grace. So I'm not sure what you're asking...
To me "Work for your salvation " means you have no salvation yet , that why you need to work for it.
While "Work out your salvation " means you already have it, but you must live it, apply/ do what a person who have faith must do.
Jesus teaches that "he who believes has eternal life" ( John 6: 47 ). Simply trusting Jesus for what He said is faith.
@@angellicat.n.g2382I’m sorry could you elaborate your comment? I’m trying to understand it. Thanks
Having faith is being faithful and being faithful is obeying God's commands all day everyday. ❤
Exactly 💯📿🌹
Exactly, we have commandments by Our Lord Himself. But protestants confuse when Paul talked about the works of law given to Moises.
What are the commandments you are commanded to follow?
@@toddgallo1759 Jesus said, if you loved him you would keep His commandments. How can you obey if you don't know.
@@angelicalee6 What are his commandments? You should be able tontell me what his commandments are if you are keeping them.
@@angelicalee6 show me the scriptures of the apostles keeping these commandments.
@@toddgallo1759 Seek them yourself.
Even if you look at it from a natural level, everybody around the world knows if we don't DO our responsibilities, it is bad. Our omissions, if serious enough, can take away our salvation.
Then you need to scriptually back up how much is to much ?
And the bad news is, the standard is perfect obedience. Which nobody has. If you keep all the law perfectly and offend in one point you are guilty of all.
So that puts a big wrench in this supposed "works to maintain salvation" idea because nobody has perfect obedience to god.
So if it is true that one has to maintain good works to be saved, then everyone is damned, because nobody can meet that standard.
@@anthonypolonkay2681 We must always try to be perfect. Of course we will fall short. Serious sin, repent and God will forgive. I am Catholic. I imagine you are a non-Catholic. Probably you see Catholicism as "works- salvation"?
thank you this was helpful!
I love my wife by Faith and Works.
I love my children by Faith and Works.
Why would God setup a completely different system for us to love Him? Makes no sense.
Seriously. Just believe. Dont worry about doing anything though. Doesn't make sense.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Exactly. There is literally nothing we do that isn’t a work. Have Faith, Trust, believe. These are all verbs :)
Exactly.. you believe that she loves you and vice versa and both work out tour relationships to keep it going and help it grow.
Why would anyone think it’s all a kick back let the other one do all of it.
Like how Protestants believe, Christ died for me so I’m just gonna put my feet up and enjoy the ride.
@@Catholic33AD Amen, love your channel name, BTW :)
We would be wise to listen to Jesus (and the rest of the Bible) that tells us constantly that we need to repent (turn away from our sins based in worshiping idols) and love the Lord our God (turn back toward Him) with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength (with our entire lives, everything we are, our obedience, our sacrifice, our joy, our pain, our suffering).
Everything the Catholic Church teaches is to help us do this better... I think the true Christian message is getting out there and we need to continue to give this positive message about the Catholic Faith.
@@PatrickSteil exactly! God needed to establish a Church to help us learn about his saving plan.
If I’m a teacher and I want people to learn my lessons,wouldn’t it make sense to establish a school with teachers who know my lessons teaching others so that those learning may too become like the teacher?
Why would Jesus Christ,a teacher, not establish a school for his other teachers (Apostles)? I know I’m preaching to the choir but Jesus gave the Apostles all of the tools necessary to go out and build his Church(school) not only physically (building) but spiritually (souls).
God Bless & may God bring many blessings to you and family.Amen
Good works are not optional
Keep my commandments and love one another are both calls to action and direct orders from God Himself.
Exactly
[ Matthew 7:21 ] “Not all those who call me Lord Lord will be saved, but only those who do the will of my Father” {Action is required in order to be saved }
Why did you stop at vs 21? Why don't you add verses 22 and 23? Verse 22 is action, it says that they prophesied in Jesus name, cast out devils, and done many wonderful works. But Jesus says depart from me ye workers of iniquity I never knew you. So how is it action? What is the will of God? Obviously it isn't action, they are doing many wonderful works and still didn't make it.
Abdool, why did you stop at verse 23 ?? He is calling out those who claims to perform on the stage in his name but in truth are workers of iniquity. You know who it is. Don’t you ? (Fun fact: There are more than 50000 Pentecostal ‘churches’ in India. But not a single nursery school or a homeopathy clinic is run by them. Catholic hospital association has over 5000 hospitals 😉. That excludes small village clinics run by the nuns )
Now, verse 24 “Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock,” 😁😁. Did you notice the “doth” in there ?? Is that what you call sola fide 😁. I know you don’t get it. So, let’s go to Matthew 25:31 and read from there 😉
In case your pastor has forbidden you to read Matthew 25, here it is 👉”31- And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty [Matthew 25:31] 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting”
@@Catholic-Defender your arrogance is your downfall...don't tell me what I get and what I don't get. You don't even know me. If you judge me based on what little information can be exchanged in a text, that is pure ignorance. You go ahead and think what you wish, I will do the same. Good luck to you.
Jesus Christ is warning you about those miracle workers who cast out devils by their jacket. He never knew them and neither did they. The Jesus of Protestant religion is that another Jesus St Paul warned about 👉 a sinner who transgressed the 4th commandment on multiple occasions, that too with much hypocrisy (he rebukes the Pharisees about their disregard for the 4th commandment, advises the young man to honour his father and mother and then immediately dishonours his own mother in public ) 😁😁😁
[ 2 Timothy 1:8-10 ]
The initial justification and holy calling is purely through grace (baptism) ###infant baptism
You tell it bro !
Protestans have an unfortunate tendency to irrationally judge the mind, heart, and will. Another good example like your's here Brian, is someone who prays around Catholic imsgery. They call this idolatry as if they could literally see into someone's mind or heart and their actual intetions toward a statue or painting ir whatever. They seem to have a problem with self-deception.
They are not spiritually developed, so they don't understand. For this part, just clear up. The works they talk about are confused from the works of Moses law, we need to clear it up. There are works in the new testament. They also do not believe the Saints are already in front of the throne of God with prayers in their bowls.
Kinda sound like Pharisees.
[ Ecclesiasticus 16:12-14 ] Lord judges everyone based on their actions(works) - not faith only
{[ job 34:11] , [ Rev 22:12], [ Ecclesiasticus 34:21 ]}
"God only forces you to believe and to confess. In all other things, it leaves you free and master to do what you want, without any danger of conscience; rather it is true that He does not even care that you leave your wife, run away from your lord and do not be faithful to any bond. And what else matters (to God) if you do or stop doing such things? "
[ Werke, Weimar edition, Volume XII, page. 131]
well said Bryan, Happy new year
Happy new year!
Job well done, Bryan!
Agreed! Obeying and fulfilling the Commandments and will of God inherently entails humility, because obedience is predicated upon humility. Moreover, one can quite easily be motivated for the glory of God without presuming his salvation based upon his obedience; but rather can give further glory to God upon the recognition off the grace operating within his soul.
Having said that, it is also possible that anyone can be motivated by the mistaken assumption that once works will effect his salvation even if he is cognizant of this error.
Happy New Year 2024 anno Domini!
When Paul brings up grace or faith alone and not works he is talking to the Gentiles and is referring to works of the law, Mosaic law and not good deeds.
To throw his argument back into his face.
Why is he trusting HIS Faith more than anything else?
As mentioned; we are to obey to obey God and do good works.
Sincerely in Xto
Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.
Amen!
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God makes us righteous as soon as we put our faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit transforms us to do good works which comes from God
[ Matthew 25:1-13 ] The parable of the 10 virgins
[ Matthew 25:14-30 ] The parable of the master and his 3 servants
[ Matthew 25:34-46 ] About the judgement day & how he is going to judge every man. All that matters is your works, how one lived his faith. (Faith that works)
By Faith that works, not faith alone
[ Roma 2:6-7-16 ] : God rewards everyone based on their work (Justification is through work only)
[ Roma 2 ] :Not those who hears the Law but those who keeps it who are justified before God
[ 1 Corinthians 13:2 ] if you have faith but no love you are nothing
Mathew 19:16-26 - Rich young man
Matthew 25:45
[James 2:21] “Was not our father Abraham justified by works when he offered Issac on the alter ? “ >> [ Genesis 22:10-12 ] >> “… seeing that you have not withheld your son, your only son from me” >> [Genesis 22:16-17 ] >> “ … because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will bless you …. “
[James 2.24 ] “You see that a person is justified by works and not faith alone”
I didn’t know about Ephesians 2 ch10 but I did know about James and I once used that in a conversation with a non-Catholic Christian trying to push the sola-fide on me and it shut him down lol. To his credit he didn’t try arguing further and just said he would have to ask about that and let me know which he never did
Protestant puts fingers in his ears and says, “nah nah nah nah nah, I’m born again, I’m saved, nah nah nah nah nah nah
We are His handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for us to do. -Eph 2:10 Love is an action, as evidenced by works.
[Galatians 5:5-6]
5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we await the hope of righteousness.
6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.*
I love how they argue the Bible when Catholics gave them the Bible and they took stuff out lol
'Do-nothing' Christianity is disobedience to Jesus.
Amen
The issue is when we claim works is how we receive salvation. True Living Faith produces good works. Also another explanation I’ve heard is James is talking about how we show our Faith to men, which would be by good works. Idk about that, but I do know True Faith produces good works. And it’s by Gods Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ that we are saved. 🙏✝️🙏
We never said works is how you receive salvation. We said faith is how you receive salvation, but not an empty face. A true faith that saves you follows the commandments, bears good fruit, and stays faithful to Christ. A faith without works does not save you.
Catholicism teaches that even though a person has had a living faith in Jesus' payment for sin, if a Catholic dies with 1 unconfessed "mortal" sin (such as missing 1 mass without approved excuse, or dresses immodestly, yes this was stated & written w/short shorts or leggings as examples, or married couple uses birth control... that person would be dammed eternally. I'm saying JESUS is only apx. 20% of getting to heaven in Catholicism. The rest YOU HAVE TO DO. That's why it teaches purgatory & indulgences ARE NECESSARY. Even Mother Teresa only HOPED she would be acceptable. Right?
Ttpical, but this is a complete misunderstanding of the issue. Imagine it like this. A husband falls into adultery accidently through weakness. That will really wound the relationship. Now imagine he has the choice to have an affair. He feels guilty even thinking about it. He knows it's wrong, SO wrong, and knows it will destroy his wife and marriage. He then proceeds to do it anyway. THAT'S mortal sin.
A mortal sin MUST have three parts.
1. It must be a grave sin.
2. You must have FULL knowledge that's it's wrong.
3. You must choose to do it anyway.
So a man could be faithful to his wife for 80 years, but if he goes and commits this one sin, it still destroys the marriage matter how faithful he's been to this point. That's how mortal sin works in the appropriate context.
So using one of the examples you gave. Dressing immodestly. Just dressing immodestly is not a mortal sin. First, you have to know what I'm saying. You have to know it's wrong to show off your body and lead people to sin through lust. You have to understand that you could be leading other people into grave sins like masturbation. So dressing immodestly violates the first principle, but unless you violate the other too also, it's not a mortal sin.
So again, just wearing short shorts is not necessarily a mortal sin. This is a caricature of what's actually happening. A lot of it depends on the intention. A woman might wear short shorts because the rest of the culture does and she doesn't even realize it's wrong. Not a mortal sin. Someone else might wear really short shorts. Because she knows she has sexy legs and she wants to make men lust after her. Still might not be immortal saying if she doesn't have full knowledge of what she's doing. So it's not as cut-and-dry as you say erroneously.
If good work saves you, you can boast, and you're getting credit.
No, we do not do good woks 'out of love for Christ' - that's the LUTHERAN understanding and it's bsed in human emotions, not the Grace of God.
WE, as it were, don't do anything - except allow God to work through us...
We receive Goodness from God who 'dwells within us' and acts 'through us' according to His nature - which is Love.
It's high time we purged ourselves from any remnants of Protestant thinking...
Blessed New Year, everyone!
Addendum: Of course, this is not to say that we shouldn't love Christ! But we shouldn't think that gratitude is the 'engine', so to speak, of our good works - human emotions are way too weak and unreliable for that...
Thankfully, God gives us a 'Participation in His divine nature' through the 'indwelling' of the Holy Spirit and it is HE who is the Primary agent of our Sanctification - not us.
Yeah but we can sever our relationship with god through disobedience
Christ be with you
Sorry but we do good works out of Love for God.
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” (John 14:20-21)
Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me. (John 20:23-24)
Our sanctification is done by God but it is done through us living in righteousness as his slaves (rom 6:15-23)
The love we must have for God is why Faith can never be alone (1 Cor 13:2)
It is the greatest thing we can do for God (1 Cor 13:13)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Of course but what I meant was not out of GRATITUDE - which is what most Protestants think.
We love God out of our desire not to sin...
Only AFTER having been given the means not to sin (the power of the Holy Spirit) do we have gratitude - is a life of sin worth living?
In other words, what we love first is 'the Good' - who just happens to be a PERSON, the Holy Spirit - and when we love 'the Good', all three Persons of the Trinity come dwell within us.
Does that make sense?
@@superapex2128what is your point ?
The difference between what your saying and what protestants believe are nuanced: works are derived from a true faith because faith works through love (gal 5:6). Therefore, good works come from a salvific faith. I agree with james 100%. The faith produces good works. Much like how Christ said wisdom is justified by her children." Likewise, faith and the person are justified by faith and if they have the true faith and Holy Spirit it will produce good works. The difference is in justification: catholics dont believe someone is totally justified at the moment of belief but through works. Protestants believe if youre truly born again and the holy spirit you produce good works in sanctification.
Correction. Salvation is not a one-time moment. Nowhere does Scripture teach that. A huge foundational flaw for Protestants. Catholics believe in initial justification when you first come to Christ through faith, and are completely justified before him. However, then you need to live that faith out in love for God and in obedience to his commandments (Jn. 14:15) and His holy will (Mt. 7:21; Lk. 6:46). Many truly born again Protestants bear good fruit and do good works for decades. Many are pastors. But, then they fall away, or commit a big sin, or start doing evil works. That is why salvation is not guaranteed. We must stay close to Christ and choose to follow him every day.
James never says faith produces good works, and in fact he says the opposite. He starts by saying that, "If a man has faith, but does not have works, can that faith save him?" (vs. 19) The obvious answer is no. He also says we are saved by works and _not_ by faith alone. (vs 24) In addition, he says that just "as a body without a soul is dead so faith without works is dead." (vs. 26) So you can have a faith that is dead and doesn't produce good works and doesn't save. Some would say that this is not a real faith, but it is. The example of the body was a real body, it's just a dead body. Likewise, the faith too is real, it's just dead because it doesn't produce good works. Thus, good works are something we must walk in (Eph. 2:10).
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Thank you for your response and I think it would certainly seem that way but then you have Romans 8: 29-30 "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." Paul does not say "so" or "therefore." It is not conditional. I think you're right in that we need to cling to Christ, but if someone doesn't, they were never His to begin with: Phil. 1:6 says, "He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it to the end." 1 John 2:19 says, "Those who went out from us were never really with us." John 6 Christ says that He doesn't lose one whom The Father has given Him. Matthew 7:23 says, "Depart from me, you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." Notice Christ DOES NOT say, "I knew you for awhile, but man, you fell from faith, grace, and The Holy Spirit/Helper." The Holy Spirit is with us as a sanctifier, convictor, and helper in order to finish the good race (which obviously includes good works because faith works through love).
Didn't Martin Luther add "alone" to make it mean saved by faith alone? According to Revelation 22:18, you are not supposed to add or subtract anything in the Bible? Martin Luther sure made lots of changes to the Bible and from then on, all non-Catholics have been holding on to his Bible! The problem is that many of those led astray are not even aware of the history! They think the Catholics are the ones who added 7 books to the Old Testament. Please do your homework, dear brothers and sisters in Christ! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
When it says "For we" who are the "we" in verse 10. The "we" in verse 10 points back to the "ye" that are saved by grace through faith. You cannot be Gods workmanship until you have been saved by grace through faith.
Christ be with you
Yes Grace, God's forgiveness of our sin saves us.
It does not mean our faith is alone it means that those works cannot forgive our sin.
St Paul will tell us our faith is not alone that it upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
Come to Christ and Live
In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is not condemning good works. You will notice that Paul makes a distinction between "works" in Ephesians 2:8-9 and then "good works" in verse 10. Clearly, works and good works are two different things. Nowhere are good works condemned. There are two different types of works. Paul talks about that are not good works. 1. Works done by our own power that don't mean anything or do anything. 2. Jewish Works of the law. These are the Old Testament rituals, cleansing, and things like circumcision. This is the majority of what Paul condemns when he uses the word works.
Eph. 2:8-9 is talking about works done by our own power. We can't save ourselves. It's all the work and grace of God.
And you will note that he condemns those "works," which are different than the good works which he mentions and we are called to walk in, in verse 10.
The entire New Testament says we need to live out our faith, follow the commandments, be obedient to Christ, bear good fruit, and stay faithful until to the end or we won't be saved (Jn. 14:15, 21-24; Jn. 15:5-7, 10, 14; Mt. 19:15-23, James 2:24; Rom. 17-22; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:17-22; Jn. 3:5; Heb. 10:26-29; Rev. 2:4-7, 10, 19-26, Mt. 25:31-46).
@MrKev1664 we definitely dont make void the law, yes of course we establish the law. How is the law established in Romans 3:31? It is established when the law does what it was intended to do and that's to show people that they are sinners and bring them to the saving knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ Gal 3:21-25
@@CatholicTruthOfficial James says faith without works is dead, he doesn't say faith without good works is dead. Works is works. You cannot have good work until you are saved in Eph 2:8-9, only after you are saved in verses 8-9 can "we" (those that were saved in vs 8-9) even perform good works because they are in Christ Jesus.
@@toddgallo1759
Christ Be with you
yes but St Paul tells us that it will be those who have upheld this Law who are justified. (rom 2:13) it is why our faith justifies.
St Paul will go on to tell us that having died with Christ and have received his Gracee we cannot continue in sin but must reject it and live in righteousness as slaves to God so that we may be sanctified and receive Gods gift of eternal life. (Rom 6:15-23)
It is established not only that we can see we are sinners but that why can turn from that sin in live according to the spirit.
Come to Christ and Live
From their fruits, you shall know them -Jesus
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Moreover, The Catholic Church has done so much for the world that no other church can compare. The Catholic Church Bible made the Bible. You wouldn't even have a Bible if it wasn't for the Catholic church. It was a Catholic Church at her Councils who collected the books and manuscripts, compile them, and may the Canon of scripture. They put the Bible under one cover as we know it today. Moreover, they copied it for over a thousand years so that we could have it. And despite Vikings and barbarians ransacking and destroying libraries and the literature, the Catholic Church kept copying the Bible so we could have it today. In the Catholic Church translated into different languages long before Luther was even born. The first book ever off the printing press with the Catholic version of Holy Scripture. The Catholic Church also started the university system, expanded schools and education, civilized in the barbarians and the Vikings that nobody else could, converted the pagan Roman Empire, invented economics, discovered the scientific method, genetics, the big bang, and thousands of more things that no other religion compare to.
The Catholic Church also started countless hospitals, orphanages combats drug trafficking, child trafficking, works to save life, even in the womb. It's the catholic church who sends missionaries across the world to work with the poorest of the poor and help give them all the aid they need.
The church also saved writing, literacy, and so much more. It has made such a positive impact on the world and has done far more good than not. Those are the facts for those who actually study history. And there's a lot more that could be said.
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Salvation is of the Lord and not of ourselves.
Christ be with you
thats not biblical
Being saved it not of us but Christ will save those who obey him (Heb 5:8-9)
Come to Vhrist and Live
Of course, salvation is of the Lord. It's all by his grace. But we still need to cooperate with his grace and choose to obey his commandments and walk in relationship with him without falling back into sin or darkness.
@CatholicTruthOfficial I'm thankful that Jesus is the "author and finisher" of my faith. "He Who starts a good work in us will see it to completion". It is by the power of the cross and His name, not of my own power. "To Him Who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy"......
@CatholicTruthOfficial define grace. Grace is God's unmerited favor. You can do nothing to receive it, it is freely given. Work is at the total opposite end of the spectrum. When you work, the person you did work for is in debt to you. He owes you your wages. That's why no work can get you to heaven, God is in debt to no man. God did all the work for us on the cross. Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law by shedding his blood. His blood was the payment that satisfied God the Father.
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Christ be with you
Christ stops you from stumbing by forgiving you if you repent and confess your sins.
If you obey sin you will die (Rom 6:15-16)
He finishes our faith by giving eternal life to those who have completed there faith with Good works.
Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
*You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,* and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God.
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:20-23)
Come to Christ and Live
Jesus made so much sacrifices. And he summarized the most important commandments after loving God is to love your neighbor. Jesus loves and He wants us to love. So how can we only have faith and trust in God if we don’t love and serve our neighbors as He commanded if we don’t have works? Even Jesus washed the feet of His Apostles to teach them service.
He doesn't tust in his works to be saved, but he also said faith without works doesn't save.
If faith without works doesn't save then he is trusting that works are part of salvation. Isn't he saying faith+works and then he can be saved?
He says he lives out his faith for Christ and Christ saves him.
But if he believes in Christ he should already be saved. He doesn't need to live his life for Christ first to be saved some day in the future. That's works. Works can't make him right with God.
If Catholics aren't trusting in their works to be saved then they should have no problem with faith alone, grace alone, through Christ alone. I believe in works but that follows receiving salvation.
Salvation is received as a free gift at the moment a person puts their faith in Jesus Christ and that he paid for the sins of the world.(Ephesians 2v8-9. Not of works. Not of yourselves.)
What must we do to be saved?
Acts 16v30-31
most Catholics want the history, the art, the design and beauty, but not the power and transformation that God causes. They wrongly assume penance over repentance not realizing repentance is a gift, not human willed. Faith, grace and repentance all apart of the same mechanism. The Truth and Good news of God is his son and the heart transformation that happens. Rome teaches mandated cooperation. All of scripture teaches God causes the change, the increase and the walk in his statutes and rules. We can do nothing apart from God. Those repentant WILL obey, follow and serve. Not from will but Gods will alone. Otherwise self cooperation is a boastful act.
That depends. What does he even mean by "adding works to faith"? If you believe the works themselves save your soul, then that won't save you, but your faith being active doesn't cancel out your faith. That notion itself is total stupidity!
Even Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli didn't go as far as today's Protestants do. Did you know Martin Luther believed in baptismal regeneration, even though he invented the doctrine of Faith Alone? Yet most of today's Protestants would consider Baptism a work.
Most of them are not trusting in Christ alone anyway, but actually believe in salvation by Faith + Not Being Catholic/Not Venerating Mary anyway.
Protestants only quote St Paul, not Christ.
Not even. They don’t quote him on divorce or his celibacy
@@CPATuttle true!
They don't even able to get together their doctrine. They just go against the teaching of the church of Jesus Christ.
@@jackieo8693Jesus also said faith alone, even Prophet Habakkuk affirmed faith alone.
John 3:16-18 ESV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 ESV
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Habakkuk 2:4 ESV
[4] “Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the "righteous shall live by his faith."
@@jackieo8693 Jesus and Habakkuk ignoring good works or works.
I agree with you, however the CCC doesn’t agree with you
Sure it does.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial CCC 2010 "Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions."
I feel that our merits are not a result of our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life. I feel that sanctification and attainment of eternal life is from Jesus Christ for what He's done on the cross, and God is the perfecter of our faith. He will continue to work in us for our faith to be complete. I am not capable of earning by "merit", eternal life, my trust is in Christ for me to have eternal life. However, I work because of the joy of the eternal life I now have in Christ for what He's done.
Someone, explain Ephesians 2 : 8-9 ?
Sure. In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is not condemning good works. You will notice that Paul makes a distinction between "works" in Ephesians 2:8-9 and then "good works" in verse 10. Clearly, works and good works are two different things. Nowhere are good works condemned. There are two different types of works. Paul talks about that are not good works. 1. Works done by our own power that don't mean anything or do anything. 2. Jewish Works of the law. These are the Old Testament rituals, cleansing, and things like circumcision. This is the majority of what Paul condemns when he uses the word works.
Eph. 2:8-9 is talking about works done by our own power. We can't save ourselves. It's all the work and grace of God.
And you will note that he condemns those "works," which are different than the good works which he mentions and we are called to walk in, in verse 10.
The entire New Testament says we need to live out our faith, follow the commandments, be obedient to Christ, bear good fruit, and stay faithful until to the end or we won't be saved (Jn. 14:15, 21-24; Jn. 15:5-7, 10, 14; Mt. 19:15-23, James 2:24; Rom. 17-22; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:17-22; Jn. 3:5; Heb. 10:26-29; Rev. 2:4-7, 10, 19-26, Mt. 25:31-46).
@@CatholicTruthOfficial
Thanks, interesting.
How were people saved before Jesus died and resurrected ?
But following God and the Mosaic Law. No one could go to heaven though until Jesus died and rose.
@CatholicTruthOfficial
Acordind from the Old Testament, Jewishs had to follow the law of Moses perfectly. Or, if they sins, they had to make an animal sacrifice, yes? That make only Jewishs (who was respected the law and make sacrifice)can be saved? It seems that God only accepts blood for the forgiveness of sins and not any other kind of work, yes?
Now, there is no more Juiwish temple and no more sacrifice for our sins. As I understand, the blood of Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for all our sins. He just ask to put all our trust in him and not any of our work or cowork. I'm right?
Ad Deo gloriam
Taking that saving plunge to the swimming pool or paying the ‘tithes’ ain’t any work brother 😁
Stop being dishonest put the verse in context and read the verses right before it.
Ephesians 2:8-11 8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)-"
The context actually disproves what you're trying to prove.
In Ephesians 2:8-9, faith alone is _not_ being taught, and good works are _not_ veing condemned. You will notice that Paul makes a distinction between "works" in Ephesians 2:8-9 and "good works" in verse 10. Clearly, works and good works are two different things. Nowhere are good works condemned or are said to be not needed. So you are misusing this passage. There are two different types of works. Paul talks about that are not good works. 1. Works done by our own power that don't mean anything or do anything. 2. Jewish Works of the law. These are the Old Testament rituals, cleansing, and things like circumcision. This is the majority of what Paul condemns when he uses the word works.
Eph. 2:8-9 is talking about works done by our own power. We can't save ourselves. It's all the work and grace of God.
And you will note that he condemns those "works," which are different than the good works which he mentions and we are called to walk in, in verse 10.
The entire New Testament says we need to live out our faith, follow the commandments, be obedient to Christ, bear good fruit, and stay faithful until to the end or we won't be saved (Jn. 14:15, 21-24; Jn. 15:5-7, 10, 14; Mt. 19:15-23, James 2:24; Rom. 17-22; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:17-22; Jn. 3:5; Heb. 10:26-29; Rev. 2:4-7, 10, 19-26, Mt. 25:31-46).
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I honestly cannot tell whether you are arguing for sola fide or not because there's so many contradictory statements here.
Works can and should be a manifestation of our faith. However, works do not make you right before God. Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast".
Faith 'Justifies' us but only works can Sanctify us unto Salvation - however, it is not OUR works but the works of the HOLY GHOST, DWELLING WITHIN US ...'lest any man should boast'.
Yes we do not become sanctified through our works. It is the work of the Holy Ghost. It is a gift and should not be confused with with our own good works and law keeping.
@@romeorozeta6122Paul was referring to the law of Moses otherwise if you believe in faith alone then how do you go about Jesus own teachings on the works of mercy.
@@romeorozeta6122 The 'Law' being referrenced here is the OLD Law of the Old Covenant - not the New.
We agree that 'No man is (ever) Justified by the works of the Law' in that sense.
However, we hold that initial Justification is not enough: we must also practice Charity - that's not optional, it's the New Commandment Our Lord left us at the Last Supper ('A new Commandment I give you: love one another; as I have loved you, so too must you love your neighbor').
Love is the work of the New Law, which is the work of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.
Happy New Year!
@@superapex2128 Then are you saying that you do not agree with Ephesians 2:8,9 and that salvation is of ourselves and our works are part of our salvation?
No. it is simple logic that even gets laid out by scripture itself. If it is by works then it is no more by grace, and if it is by grace then it cannot be of works. As far as the NT defines and describes those two things they are 100% mutually exclusive to one another.
What has happened here is you have failed to divide when scripture is talking about salvation, vs when it is talking about rewards in heaven, or when it is talking about discipleship because there is plenty of teaching, and instruction on both of those in scripture as well.
When you assume that every commandment, and teaching dirrected at the believer is in the context of salvation thats how you endvup with this hugly contradictory nonsense that somehow oir salvation is something we can never have obtained, and is explicetly stated as a free gift of christ, yet if you dont do/maintain x good works, or whatever you will lose it.
Our reward in heaven is salvation. Following the commandments is in the context of salvation. The Bible makes that it abundantly clear. Same thing with good works. That's why James even starts his sermon with the question, "If a man has faith but he does not have works cannot faith save him." The obvious answer is no.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial that's clearly untrue. There are a variety of scripture that makes a staunch differentiation between actual salvation as the gift of God through christ, and the rewards one receives as due to his works. The first one that comes to mind is over in Corinthians I think where it describes how nobody can "lay any other foundation besides that which is laid, which is christ " and that "if any man build upon it the day will make it manifest and it will be tested as to see if it burns up"
This is referring to the foundation which is salvation, and the things being made manifest to be tested are the rewards by doing works built on that foundation.
But if that alone wasn't clear enough of a differebtiation that passage finishes up by saying that even if all a man's manifested work is burned up, that he will indeed suffer loss. But that" he himself will still be saved as yet by fire."
And the entire surrounding context plays into this delineation between actual salvation, and the rewards we recieve for our works. Unlike what you are trying to present with James.
Becausr in James chapter two the entire chapter, and precious chapter are talking about 2 things. Either people who are faking being a believer, and only keeping up outside appearances of it, and how if you do not do works your faith does not help others in any way. The whole thing is about how profitable your faith is to those who see you, and how much help you offer your fellow Christians, and others in general it is not describing a critera for salvation. The only way you can get that is if you take a few verses in isolation, and do not apply it to the entire chapters context. The only other supposed support for works based salvation in James 2 is the example he gives of Abraham, and how "his faith was made perfect by his works" and he follows that up with saying that " not by faith only by also by works are ye justified" which fair enough at first glance that seems like works salvation. Except again we have to take the whole chapters aim into consideration. This causes us to ask what we mean by justified and to who. And in Jame's broader context, especially in that chapter the justifucation one being referred to is not one before god, but justifucation before men. And James hamers this in by making sure to mention that the righteousness that Abraham obtained was imputed to him due to the fact he believed God, not because of his works.
If we need more elaboration on this type of thing we can go to various parallel parts of scripture in thr NT that talk about Abraham' such as Roman's 4. Where it specifies exactly what was implied by James. That Abraham's works gave him to glory, but not before god.
Again everything being mentioned here is cogent with thier surrounding contexts, and most importantly creates zero contradicting teavhings from scripture unlike your interpretation of James. It's in some ways an understandable misinterpretation, because I could definatly have been bought into it especially at face value. But it doesn't state supported upon rigorous examination
Again not every commandment, and teaching given in the NT is done so towards the end of salvation, arbitrarily equating things like justifucation, glory, sanctification,. And even in some cases the word salvation itself (because in a few contexts it refers to salvation from temporal consiquences, not eternal salvation)
To all mean eternal salvation without determining it based on its context is what produces such grossly contradicting and nonsensical interpretations in scripture.
Look if this is a catholic channel- let’s be clear - Mary had 5 other children at least! Named in Bible! Jesus is our high priest - all other priests in robes are false! There is one mediator between God and man, the man, Jesus Christ. We are for bidden to pray to other people, dead relatives, etc. Just read the Bible and you’ll realize Ephesians 2:8-9 says were saved by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast. Just read Ephesians 2 if you’re Catholic and you’re watching this and want to be saved!!!!
Your church is not of divine origin. How serious would you take me if I told you I was a Navy Seal that never enlisted but just bought a Navy Seal handbook that's missing 6 chapters? That's how we Catholics look at protestants. Fake Navy Seals with no documentation. Just as long as you read your Navy Seal handbook you'll be a real Navy Seal; but that's not the way it works. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought Taco Bell was authentic mexican cuisine. You're the type of person that will buy the long haired pitbull because you failed to get documentation of the breed. Hey I'm a 4th degree black belt karate master. I never had a master or went to school for karate. I just read a karate book that's missing 6 chapters. 😂😂😂 Sounds like Protestants huh.
Jesus had 'cousins' which were known as 'brothers' in the Gospels simply because the Hebrew language doesn't make that distinction.
Christ IS our High Priest but He established the Apostles as His MINISTERS until His return.
We are not forbidden to pray FOR other people - so why should we not ask for the intercession of Saints?
We are not 'saved' by Faith (alone), only Justified.
And we have to STAY in a state of Grace: '(...) go, AND SIN NO MORE'.
You will never be saved if you pick and choose what 'suits' you in the Bible...
God bless and Happy New Year!
The work of commenting about this video for the good of others could be the result of a prompting by the Holy Spirit. You acted out of a selfless heart, in-spite of potential backlashes.
This said, the correctness of the comment is a different consideration. The works (good or bad) are inevitable because we operate in a world where our actions are unavoidable and have consequences. Paraphrasing from Jesus - if your eye/leg causes it to sin, remove it, lest the whole body be thrown in hell. Sinful works have real consequences. Good works (like doing a fraternal correction by writing a comment) are evidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t cause us to be saved but are a result of Christ’s work. We don’t believe that our actions will save us, because that would mean we are proud and blind, ignoring the works of Jesus. The fruit of this pride prove that our life isn’t driven by his Spirit.
Please investigate sola scriptura and test it using sound reasoning. Peace be with you.
@roberthpwe718 we are not to interprete on our own. 2 Peter 3.16
@roberthowe718 : Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus and his apostles,) had no word for “cousin,” so cousins and other close relatives were often referred to as brothers.
The brothers and sisters that they said were actually Jesus' cousins by Joseph's brother (Clopas) . you will notice on the cross Jesus gave his mother to John to care for as his own mother. “Don't you think if she had other children they would have taken care of her” He would have had surviving siblings who would have taken care of her. It would be surprising for Jesus to release his brothers from their obligation to their mother, especially because he criticized the Pharisees for neglecting the support of their own parents in Matthew 15:3-6.
The New Testament does not say that Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin, the Greek word for which is anepsios. The word used in Luke 1:36 to describe Elizabeth is suggenes (pronounced su-gen-ace), which simply means kinswoman or relative. It tells us nothing about her exact relation within the extended family. All we can tell from the word suggenes is that Elizabeth was some kind of female relative of Mary’s. But whether she was an aunt, a cousin, or a more distant relation cannot be determined from the word.
Oh and Mary was a common name, so guess what, her sister in law had the same first name.
John 19:25 New International Version (NIV)
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister Mary, the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene.
Mary was dedicated before her birth to serve the Lord in the temple, as Samuel had been dedicated by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). This required perpetual virginity of Mary so that she could completely devote herself to the service of the Lord.
Joseph was a male protector who would respect her vow of virginity. When Mary conceived, Joseph had to answer to the temple authorities. So Mary’s betrothal to Joseph was not in conflict with her vow of virginity.
When the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will bear a son, Mary asks, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” (Luke 1:34). At this point, Mary was engaged to Joseph. Why would she then be so surprised at being told she would conceive? If she were planning on having children with Joseph in the usual way, it wouldn’t make sense for her to ask how she would be able to have a child. This question makes sense only if Mary was already planning to remain a virgin.
The firstborn was to be consecrated to the Lord (Ex. 13:2); the parents were to redeem every firstborn son (Ex. 34:20). They weren’t supposed to wait until they had a second child to redeem the firstborn, and so the first son born to a woman was called the firstborn regardless of whether or not she had other children later on.
Mary’s perpetual virginity demonstrates her purity of heart and total love for God.
Mary’s virginity was “so great an example of material virtue” because it demonstrated her total devotion to Jesus. In Mary, we see an example of the purity our own hearts must have in total dedication to God. Her virginity also tells us something about the Church, which, like Mary, is both mother to the faithful and “pure bride to her one husband” (2 Cor. 11:2).
Matthew 1:24-25
Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
That doesn't mean that they consummated the marriage after the birth.
This is used to emphasize what is being described before the until is fulfilled. It is not intended to say anything about the future beyond that point. Here are some biblical examples:
2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to (until) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she died?)
1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? By no means! Luke 1:33 says, “he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”)
When Paul had appealed to be kept in custody for the decision of the emperor, I commanded him to be held until (Gk. heos hou) I could send him to Caesar.”
Does this text mean that Paul would not be held in custody once he was “sent” to Caesar? Not according to the biblical record. He would be held in custody while in transit (see Acts 27:1) and after he arrived in Rome for a time (see Acts 29:16). The action of the main clause did not cease with heos hou.
The old covenant
If I were Satan, this is where I would insert fault lines within the faithful. This division is both based on and further fueled by pride.
Sola fide is anti-scriptural and therefore a departure from the claim of Sola Scriptura. Sadly, many have been so programmed against the Church that they cannot see their error. Many actively war against the Church, which grieves me. But we should love and encourage them to hold fast to trusting in God to maintain and uphold His Church, as Christ Himself said to Peter “And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. After all, Satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. He is our true adversary that delights in our division. In Heaven, we will all be unified with Him and one another. Praise be to God! His kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
How you get saved?
@Paulflag: You want to know how to get saved? You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind, You must love your neighbour as yourself. If you love God you need to have something to show for it. When you get to the other side Jesus is going to ask you "what did you do for me?" Remember! Matthew 25: 40. And the King will answer, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me."
@Paulflag: Matthew 7:21
21 'It is not anyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven.
@Paulflag: Revelation 14:13
Then I heard a voice from heaven say to me, 'Write down: Blessed are those who die in the Lord! Blessed indeed, the Spirit says; now they can rest for ever after their work, since their good deeds go with them.'
(The deeds are what people carry with them to God's judgement).
@margaretoconnor7077
What doctrine is this? Is this catholics?