How To: Fox Body Mustang 5 Lug Disc Conversion - SVE (1987-1993)
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2017
- Due to changes to the overall components in this kit, the review portion of the video doesn't accurately reflect what's included. Please reference LMR.com (the link below) to view our current offering. This video can still be used for technical reference when converting a 1979-1993 Fox Body Mustang to an SN95 Cobra-style 5-lug brake setup. Some small steps could differ from what you see in the video. Please leave a comment if you have a question.
In this video, Landan explains the process of converting a 1987 to 1993 Fox Body Mustang to an SN95 5-lug Cobra-style brake setup.
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Please Note: Royal Purple gear oil and friction modifier are no longer included in the kits. You'll need to source your own gear oil and friction modifier. -Landan
Shop Cobra-style 5-Lug Conversion Parts: lmr.parts/sn95-5-lug-conversions
I was wondering which coilover could we use with the sn95 front spindle? the one for sn95 or the fox body ?
@@GlichHackQC What brand of coil over over are you considering? -Landan
i would like to try the new QA1 that you sell if they fit
@@GlichHackQC 87-93 V8 Fox spindles have the same mounting ear thickness as 94-04 SN95 spindles. The QA1 coilovers Fox applications will work fine with SN95 spindles as the kit includes spacers for the thinner mounting ear on the spindle. -Landan
Here is an article explaining the mounting ear differences for Fox spindles: lmr.com/products/what-is-the-difference-between-fox-body-spindles
"Overall guys, this install is pretty simple"
Was literally thinking about this a few days ago for a new fox I might buy. Read my mind good job guys
thanks for this video. this is my next task within the month and I'll have this video beside me the entire way. love the videos guys keep them coming!
LMR is my favorite thing ever hahaha. I send them all my hard earned money. But a damn good company that always has everything you need, they stand by their word and their products and stuff gets shipped from Texas and is here in California within just a few days usually. LMR is a Mustang enthusiasts best friend.
Thank you very much, Brett! We appreciate your feedback!
You guys are the best. This video is extremely helpful in doing this swap, especially with the necessary torque specs. Thank you and keep it up! 👍
Bravo on the video. I love the product as well.
Love those wheels!
good to see a set of hubs up front. tryna cop this in due time
damn good job Landon!
I appreciate that, chunkafunk81!
You don't need to buy this kit guys just go to the yunk yard find a 94 or 95 V6 or V8 and get all the parts from one of these models and you can make your fox body disc brakes. And if you want better calipers you can get the PBR calipers from the newer models they work with this conversation. The propolsioning valve and lines for the master cylinder and one adapter for one of the brake lines you can buy those parts from maximum motor sports that's what I did on my 89 mustang coupe. And you gonna save much more money. Same thing with the brake cables you can buy them from maximum motor sport. Just an advise at the end you take the final decision
I did that too i went with the 93 cobra brake booster and sn95 mc
left out a very important piece if information. According to the masters over at Maximum Motorsports: Do not install a 1996-04 spindle on a 1979-93 Mustang fitted with a stock-geometry k-member! Doing so will significantly increase bumpsteer because...
1. The steering arm on the 1996-04 spindle is about 1.02" (26mm) lower (relative to the rest of the spindle) than the steering arm of any 1979-95 spindle.
2. The lower steering arm forces the outer tie-rod end to a lower position.
That new position is far too low for the steering rack location of any 1979-93 Mustang, and radically changes the steering geometry.
3. It is impossible to correct the geometry with a bumpsteer kit because the outer tie-rod end needs to be raised so much that it would have to occupy the same physical space as the steering arm.
For street applications, 96-04 spindles can be used in conjunction with factory stock k-members. We've been doing so for years without any alignment or drive-ability issues. -Landan
I just bought 96 and up spindles by mistake for my 1993 mustang lol, and so many people say it'll work fine others say it won't so I'm so confused
@@Dante-tt5bz it will work you just have to put sn95 ball joints
@@Dante-tt5bz @houseofdula has a video on doing this if I remember correctly he said to use 94-95 ball joints
@@latemodelrestoration I got 1979 1993 set up I bleed the breaks my break pedal is really hard any idea what I'm doing wrong or what's wrong
good video, collecting parts for this now. do you have a video for manual brake conversion by chance also?
So you say this kit works fine on the 86 model too, but would need the 87 to 93 front struts. What if I've already done a coil over kit from lmr?
I bought this kit back in 2016 or 2017 and I notice it's no longer available as one complete kit with a single part number any longer. I sold the 93GT I was going to use the kit on, and now I have an 89GT I'm going to use it on. I've now purchased the 93 Cobra brake booster, as well as the complete stainless 93 Cobra Classic Tube brake line kit. I'm hoping this video will help me figure out how all these parts go together.
awesome
You bleed the brakes with the proportioning valve closed?
can you later upgrade the calipers to a 6 piston brake set up
Could you just source a proportioning valve under the master cylinder from a 94/95 instead of having to use the adjustable one?
Question: At 15:10 what grease are you using exactly and is it really necessary since the hub/bearing units come pre-greased? I've also seen/heard folks just use anti-seize or nothing at all. I'm about to do mine and I'm curious what to do.
What’s the reason for taking apart the parking break? I know you need new parking break cables for the rear discs but why modify the handle?
Logan - Modifying the parking brake assembly will eliminate the self-adjusting feature. This was stated by Ford Racing from the old M-2300-T brake kit that is no longer available. -Landan
I can use the axle from sn95 in the 88 fox?
Could I put sn95 front control arms with steeda x2 ball joints and steeda bump steer kit aswell
You will need to use 05+ wheels on the front or make fender modifications, in addition to cutting a hole in the control arms for the sway bar bushings and using Sn95 hardware.
How come no c clip eliminators?
This video game me a migraine headache, lol. Can I just bring my to..lol
Hey, Awesome vid! What did you spread on the brake fitting at 15:58? Did you do it on both sides? I'm doing my brakes this afternoon and I need to grab some of whatever you had.
It's thread sealant (teflon paste). Normally, standard issue brake hoses do not need any type of adhesive. However, when adding adapter fittings to brake lines, a thread sealant is often times required. -Landan
Thanks so much! Brake line leaks after an install are the WORST!
Does anyone know if you can run 03 cobra front break calipers & 95 gt rear break calipers on a 93 mustang?
Please give us a call at 866-507-3786. We would love to help you out.
I have 96 mustang Rear end and Front spindles, do i replace front brake hoses? Also Rear end , do i use 94-95 hardline and 94 v8 brake hose?
Give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 or email us at customerservice@lmr.com and a CCR can give you a lot more info on what you'll need.
Is it possible just doing the sn95 disk break conversion in the front and in the rear just a 5 lug drum conversion?
Yes, it's possible. But we highly recommend going for a disk conversion all the way around.
Hey quick question. Since those aren't 94-95 spindles did they work fine with the stock k member I want this kit but I don't have the money for it right now so I was thinking about buying the refurbished spindles. Thanks
Hey Austin! 96-04 spindles work perfectly fine. You will have to adjust toe angle because of the 96-04 spindle geometry. Hope this helps. -Landan
Maximum Motorsports disagrees with you here.
Great video, can those 5-lug axles be used with the c-clip eliminators?
Hi Matthew, no, this style of rear disc application cannot be used in conjunction with a C-clip eliminator.
Hello , I have a mustang 1989, 4 lug, I want to put some saleen 5 lugs 18x9 and 18x10, what do I need to buy so they can fit, what kit or other things?
Please give us a call at 866-507-3786. We would love to help you out.
Would this setup be the same for the 93 cobra master and new lines from classic tube? So gut the proportioning valve and the adjustment one goes on the passenger side?
Yes. These particular kits will include a new '93 Cobra master cylinder. I would recommend installing the new one especially since you are replacing all of the lines. The steps for the proportioning valve are the same for your application. Hope this helps! -Landan
Late Model Restoration
Thanks Landan. Hey you guys wouldn't have a diagram of the brake lines would you? I bought everything from you guys but no instructions. Car is a shell so I have nothing to go by.
First you bleed the master cylinder before installing it on the car, otherwise you never get all the air out. Great video otherwise. I converted mine (88) with Lincoln Mark & front slotted rotors from ebay and rear brakes from 94 and newer Mustang also from ebay back in 2006. Calipers, axles. mounting brackets and splash shields. all fit right in. I did replace parking brake cables with new but didn't modify the spring on the handle and work just as it did before. Replaced master with 94 Cobra master and the prop valve with the manually adjustable one. The only problem noted just a few years ago is that the front rotors are rubbing the caliper on the inside leaving 2 groves in there. Original calipers. 17" x8" wheels . no rubbing problems front or rear. Original springs.
What keeps this kit from fitting a 1982 Fox body? What would be needed to make it work?
1979-86 Mustangs and 1987-93 2.3L Mustangs need to use 1987-93 5.0L spindles, struts, and calipers for this kit to work. Feel free to give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 or email us at customerservice@lmr.com and a CCR can help get you set up with a kit!
what are the wheels/fitment specs on the wheels posted on the silver car in the beginning of the episode?
They're the SVE Series 3's. 18x9/10 with +24/+20. Here's a link for the wheels: lmr.com/products/mustang-sve-series-3-wheels-94-04
Were do i get the dust shields and rivits for the front sn95 spindles?
You dont need riviets but i got my dust shields from national parts depot, or just go to the yard and take them off a V6. They will probably be rusty though.
my fox has a 5 lug conversion already but still has drums what do i need to change it to discs
Here is what you would need for the rear swap. This link shows you 4 different options to pick from.
@@latemodelrestoration will I need to replace my booster for either a sn95 or cobra ? I bought the cobra master cylinder for this 5 lug disc conversion
My question is can I keep my stock booster , cobra booster , or sn95 booster?
Could you list the full kit part numbers for the 31 spline setup. Front to rear with slotted rotors and calipers.
Check out the link in the description. It'll take you to the product page and you'll be able to see the full part list there. Or give us a call or email us using the link below: lmr.com/contact
@@latemodelrestoration I filled out the link if you have question or anything please call me or email me.
I get the whole SN95 5 lug thing... but what about someone who just wants to stay with their 4 lug spindles? I can't find anyone that sells them (except junk) to replace mine that has spun bearing wear marks.
J B - Have you tried eBay? I usually find some good take-offs for sale there. Hope this helps! -Landan
Do you have a ifs conversion kit for fox body Mustang? Solid axles are not good for scca
Hi Steve, we do not offer a IRS conversion kit on our site. You will have to source the parts from a private seller or donor vehicle.
So I have a 1989 mustang coupe currently have all disk brakes all around basically a GT brake system I would like to upgrade to cobra disk brakes my question is I run a 93 cobra master cylinder how about the brake booster can I leave that one stock? Thank you
As long as the stock booster is in good shape you can keep it in place. If you need it serviced, this is the best time to upgrade it to the 93 Cobra model.
Late Model Restoration thank you for the response was just on your web page ordering most of the parts thank you guys again you guys are the best been dealing with you guys for a lot of years and never have I’ve had trouble 👍🏼
Can I use spindles and calipers out of a 98 GT?
Yes you can! 🙌
what is the link to this exact kit?? I cant seem to find it on your website.
Devin,
The kit in this video is for the SVE SN95 spindle 5-Lug conversion with 28 splines. Check it out here! bit.ly/2JjMi98
Will these headlines work for a 93 cobra disc brake conversion?
Hey there, if you can, please give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 and a customer care representative can assist you with that!
What size wheels fit without removing the strut
A 17X8" would be best. If you do go with anything larger, a spacer would be required for the correct fitment.
If I call can I get just the rear disk 5lug kit. Cobra kit.
We do not have this in a kit but we can help you out. Please call us up and we will be able to price this for you. 254-296-6500.
Can you buy just the rear backing plates for the caliper mounts?
lmr.com/item/LRS-2100A-K/Mustang-Rear-Disc-Brake-Caliper-Adapter-Brackets-For-Cobra
Late Model Restoration awesome. Thanks
Cheaper to do svo calipers 5 lug rotors, and do sn95 gt rear brakes with caliper adapter brackets. Just buy Hawk pads and stop tech rotors frt and rear.
Does anyone know if this pushes the wheel out farther? If just went to fit my new wheels 15x10 with a 6.5 back space and learned the car has a sn95 housing so wheels are to far out even with 1/4 rolled. Am I screwed here if I put stock fox housing in?
You'll need to put a stock Fox Body 8.8 back in the car if you want to run the 15x10" wheels with 6.5" back space. 94-98 and 99-04 rear ends are wider than a Fox. I attached a good article explaining the differnces. -Landan
lmr.com/products/mustang-8-8-rear-end-differences
@@latemodelrestoration thank you so much
@@lambchopLSX87 You're welcome. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration Landon’s the man
I got bought this system my break pedal is really hard any ideas
Luis - Thank you for your business! I would recommend reaching out via our 'Contact Us' page. Thanks. Here is the link:lmr.com/contact
Why won’t this work on a 86 ? And where could I get the same kind of thing for my 86 gt, thanks in advance
Due to the different sizing and bracket design, we do not offer the swap kit for 79-86 cars. Please feel free to give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 or email us with the link below and a customer care tech can help you with what you need to do to make the swap happen on your 1986 Mustang: lmr.com/contact
Why is he changing the plug on the Oem proportion valve?
If u re use the stock plug it will leak fluid out of it
so what wheel and tire size combo did you use on the car
sleathers1551, here is the link: lmr.com/item/WTK-Z46489653/sve-series-3-wheel-tire-kit-18x9-10-gun-metal-9404-sumitomo
-Landan
jeeez, it's a lot of work to keep the Parking Brake Cable, anything wrong with simply deleting it/removing it completely?
Big G from the Chi just find a 93-95 cobra ebrake
But I own a 1984 foxbody….. 😢 will this work?
I can use all the sn95 system in my fox fits?
Yes, you will use mainly all SN95 components for the swap. Please reference the product page for more info when completing the install: lmr.com/item/SVE-2300AK/Fox-Mustang-5-Lug-Conversion-Kit
Can I use a 1998 mustang’s differential to make my foxbody 5 lug?
Yes, but this will make your track width on the rear 1.5" wider overall. This can cause rubbing issues in some cases with aftermarket wheels and tire combinations.
Late Model Restoration ohh okay thank you how much would it cost to do a conversion like the one of the video?
I don't see this on your sight? is this kit with the spindles still available?
Matthew - Please read the video description as it explains the current situation for this kit. At the time of this comment, all of the parts are available, just sold differently from when this video was originally released. Thanks! -Landan
Can tell me the item # of the front brake hoses so I can order thanks 😊
Hi Juan,
The brake hoses are only available with the purchase of our SVE Cobra Style brake kits: lmr.com/products/94-04-Mustang-Brake-Kits-Upgrades
why did you guys stop selling this kit? i remember when i first got my foxbody i really wanted to do a rear disc brake conversion but i recently found out you guys don’t sell this exact kit anymore
Hi Pierce,
We still offer all of the parts for the 5-lug swap. You'll just need to piece all of the parts together and build out the kit. If you have any questions or concerns, give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 and one of our CCR's can help you out!
@@latemodelrestoration y'all don't sell the spindles. But anyway the real question is WHY, so why did you stop selling the kit?
@@FarmDad Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, we had to stop selling the spindles a few months ago (at the time of this comment) because of a shortage of cores from our supplier. We're actively pursuing a solution. The entire kit is now broken down into individual pieces instead of it being an all-inclusive kit. Over the years, we had a few customers want to purchase different rotors or an OEM hub assembly. Because of that, it's now a la carte. All of the pieces shown in the video are still available today with the exception of the spindles. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration thank you for the response.
The kit should contain all new hardware so you don't have to reuse anything. If you watch a video made by Saul Castaneda you will see the issues he had installing this kit for one of his customers.
what is the color of the fox in this video?
Hello Eddie,
This car is a 1993 Silver Clearcoat Metallic with a Paint Code of YN.
Thank you for your question!
How much just to have someone install all this, once you have all parts?
It depends on your local performance shop/mechanic. It can be a bit pricey if you take it to someone to install it.
what size wheel and tire package is that?
Those are our SVE Series 3's with 18x9/10 with 265/35/18 and 285/35/18.
@@latemodelrestorationany rubbing or clearance issues??
Can you run a 15" wheel with these 03 cobra style rear brakes?
Jeff May no....17" rim minimum
Jeff May
Billet Specialities make their street lites for big brakes. They're the only ones I know of in 15"
How come y’all don’t j have this kit anymore?
Hi Anthony,
We do offer the parts for this kit, you will just have to piece the kit together using our DIY 5 Lug conversion: lmr.com/products/fox-body-5-lug-conversion-cobra
If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 and a customer care representative can assist you with piecing together the kit.
So this kit will retain foxbody rear end stock length.
Hey Toni, the rear end length will stay the same with this kit, since it retains Fox length axles.
Can’t you just use 1984-1986 SVO rotors on stock Foxbody spindles?
Sure, but you're still limited on wheel selection and there is no benefit in braking performance. -Landan
Will these work with my four cylinder mustang?
You will need 87-93 5.0L front struts as well as 87-04 V8front brake hose brackets. Here they are: lmr.com/item/LRS-9998916K/mustang-brake-hose-bracket-kit-front-8704 -Landan
@Terrab Nadia because their frames are guaranteed not to be twisted.
will this work for an 84 manual?
This kit can be used on 1979-1986 Mustangs and 1987-1993 2.3L Mustangs with the addition of 5.0L front struts.
What wheels are those shown on the car at 0:38?
Those are the SVE Series 3's in the gun metal finish. Unfortunately, that specific finish is out of stock. Please give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 for further inquiries on wheels. Thanks! - Jude H. - Social Media/Events Coordinator
Late Model Restoration fortunately I have time to wait for them. Gotta put some serious brakes and 5 lugs on it first.
Around How much is it all the kit for that mustang
Hi Roberto,
For the latest pricing and offerings on our 5 lugs kits visit - lmr.com/products/Mustang-5-Lug-Conversion-Kits
What about the 86 Mustang, would this kit work?
Thanks!
I also forgot to mention the use of an SVO master cylinder is required as well.
lmr.com/item/LRS-2140E/1984-86-Mustang-Svo-Brake-Master-Cylinder -Landan
Same for 1981 Fox body? Thanks
Some steps are different. The biggest one being the axle hard lines. You'll have to cut and flare your factory lines because of the position of the center upper axle hose. -Landan
what rims are those?
lmr.com/products/mustang-sve-series-3-wheels-94-04
is this only 87-93 or will it work on an 86???
Yes, this kit will work for a 1986 5.0L car. You'll find that the kit includes a '93 Cobra master cylinder, so it won't mimic the cast iron unit that came equipped on 79-86 Fox Mustangs. Some customers prefer the SVO master cylinder since it's "period correct". You will need additional master cylinder adapter lines since the kit above includes the lines for 87-93 cars. Because of the design of the 79-86 parking brake assembly requires no modification, unlike the 87-93 assembly.
Here is the link for the 80-86 adapter lines for a '93 Cobra master cylinder: lmr.com/item/MM-MMBAK17/Mustang-Brake-Line-Adapter-94-95-GT-93-Cobra-Master-Cylinder
Let me know if you have any additional questions. -Landan
Wouldn’t this work for 79-86?
Hey Adam, this kit will work with 79-86 but 1979-86 Mustangs and 1987-93 2.3L Mustangs need to use 1987-93 5.0L spindles, struts, and calipers for this kit to work.
would this fit on a 240z
What is different on the 79-85 Mustangs that makes this kit not work for them?
Strut and spindle differences.
Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/wD5oHaBAupU/v-deo.html
Watch from 0:53 - 1:17 for the difference.
-Landan
Can't you just replace the spindle & strut with either an 87-93 V8 spindle, or a 94-95 spindle, & then be able to use this kit? Thanks.
@@latemodelrestoration - I have an 82 RS 5.0 Capri. Can't I just change the spindle & strut to an 87-93 V8, or a 94-95 spindle, & then be able to use this 5 lug disc conversion kit?
is this kit ever coming back ?
All of the components are still available. Instead of this being sold as a complete kit, we now give our customers the option to select the brake rotors, brake calipers, master cylinder, and axles just to name a few. Check out the link below. Let me know if you have any questions about anything. -Landan
lmr.parts/sn95-5-lug-conversions
geees
This kit is rarely in stock.
Is this still available
Marc - The kits are still available. Since this video was released, the kits are sold a little differently now. Instead of buying one kit with everything, we made it to where customer's have options when purchasing. Here is the link to our website: lmr.com/products/fox-body-5-lug-conversion-cobra
Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks and hope this answers your question. -Landan
Not in stock for a year or so
So you are selling back used refurbished parts.
I am sorry, but we do not sell any used items at LMR.
should start by removing that diff fill plug first.
No Longer Available By LMR? 😢
We offer a DIY 5-Lug swap on our site: lmr.com/products/fox-body-5-lug-conversion-cobra
Feel free to give us a call if you have any other questions or concerns! You can build out the kit just like the one shown in the video!
You didn’t bench bleed the master cylinder!
1996-2004 spindles should NOT be installed on a stock foxbody k member, this will create in correctable bumpsteer!! Only 94-95 spindles can be use on a stock foxbody k member!
For street applications, 96-04 spindles can be used in conjunction with factory stock k-members. We've been doing so for years without any alignment or drive-ability issues. -Landan
Late Model Restoration can you still run this same front cobra brake kit on a 94-95 spindle? I have already acquired the spindles and want to run 13” cobra rotors and calipers
yes the cobra brakes will fit 94-04 spindles
I have a complete UP suspension front to back so what is the best/cheapest brake swap?
ayy
Cost?
The cost of these kits can vary, but you can check out the selection here - latemodelres.to/5-lug-kits
Unless a pure race car, I never remove the quad shocks.
2000cobraguy new control arms with HD bushings eliminate wheel hop which that shock is for.
Here I thought all I had to do was put a knuckle on rack
Pisses me off lmr doesn’t offer this kit anymore
Whatabout the 86 🥲
What about it? -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration the title is for the 87-93 is it the exact same steps or no? Sorry for bad english i use translate
@@jytux9014 That was just the way we titled it whenever the video was released several years ago since the steps directly cover an 87-93 V8 car. The only thing you won't have to do on an '86 is modify the parking brake assembly. Let us know if you have any questions. Thanks! -Landan
So you guys turned a $500 job into a $10k project. Lol
1keykneedeep did you do this job?I have a 93 someone said just swap out a 95 rear axle it's a clean swap do u know if it's true?
@@leonardgreen5042 '95 axle is wider. your wheels likely won't clear.
94-95 spindles are alot better, plus the 96+ spindles make the wheel stick out .75" more than the 94-95 spindles....thats the only difference. cool kit, shitty spindles.
I gotta stop watching these videos. It’s making my brain 🧠 hurt. Why can’t I have a neighbor who’s a car 🚙 guy. Lol, my 87 GT convertible needs a lot of love.
Well I called. you basically told me you had no information to help. And then on your video, absolutely do not explain why you have to play with master cylinder to which you just went and did. Without Full exclamation.
Hey there, I'm very sorry about that! Could you please email me at jude@lmr.com? I will be sure to have our customer care supervisor reach out to you about the 5-lug conversion. - Jude H. - Social Media Specialist