As a person who installed astroturf for Cal High & Monte Vista I can confirm that those rubber pellets on the field get extremely hot during higher temperatures causing it to rise in heat. Is not fun during the summer
Plastic at high temps, especially outdoors, can also be a serious health hazard. The "forever chemicals" found in the Veterans Stadium turf from 1977 to 2001 were linked to 6 Phillies players all developing a rare brain cancer before the age of 60. (Tug McGraw, Darren Daulton, John Vukovich, John Oates, Ken Brett, and David West). The type of plastics/rubber might be different, but at 130°+ on the field, this can't be good, and another reason why the player's association should be totally against this.
Thanks MLB & Rob Manfred...ruin the River Cats' beautiful grass field so the freeloader John Fisher's A's can play there. It's not too late to reverse course and force him to sell the team.
Manfred is being controlled. No one can have that many bad ideas that a short term "fixes" that will hurt the game severely long term. Trying to cater to non fans is short sighted. The things that attract youth to baseball Is not gaudy Nike scumbag Goofy softball uniforms, it's Tradition.
George Brett told the story that when he was in Kansas City, they had put in turn in Royals Stadium. In the summer the trainer had bed pans full of ice in the dug out for players to soak their feet in between innings. Brett said during a day game he put his feet in the water and it started to turn to steam. Players were coming out of games with blisters on their feet.
Well, yeah. Plastic grass gets hot. It's bad enough to have it in an enclosed, air-conned stadium. But now you put it outdoors, in a functional desert, and when you try to wet it down to cool it off, it gets slicker than boiling snot. And Salt Lake isn't much better for day games than Sac-O-Tomatoes... Manfred, this mess is all yours buddy...
Fisher still can’t get funding , Ballys is going broke and Las Vegas still doesn’t want the A’s .. The A’s organization is the greatest shit show on earth ..
Casey you asked the same question I've been wondering for a while now. Where is the Player's Union? Who's greasing the palms of the folks there, so that they're essentially giving approval of this travesty by staying silent?
There are several examples of teams sharing a ballpark. The older ones are in Philadelphia (A's and Phillies) and St. Louis (Cardinals and Browns) but that ended 70 years ago. A more recent example was 50 years ago when the Mets and Yankees shared the natural grass field of Shea Stadium for two seasons while Yankee Stadium was being reconstructed. The science of playing fields has improved exponentially since then. There is no doubt that a well engineered and carefully maintained natural grass field could be used.
The Rivercats have been playing Day and night games in Sutter Health Park for 20 years and there haven’t been any issues. If you live in the Bay Area your perceptions of the heat in Sacto are overblown. Night games are wonderful.
I'm just watching the Fischer-Kaval show crumble at this point, but it's going to be interesting to see what the A's do to Sutter field. They're going to rip out grass for turf and then build a random clubhouse across the street to use for 3 years, and then the A's are going to bounce. And then sacramento is left with a rushed footprint. Also, I play ball in sac on a turf field in the summers and its brutal after a few innings. Sacramento Valley in the summer can get up to Arizona-type temperatures (104-111) and I dont think the A's realize the heat dangers games can bring to fans and players
Fisher could care less. He’s getting all this for free, and will laugh when he leaves. Let’s see the first player to get sun stroke or heat exhaustion during the game. MLB and Fisher are a joke
@@805fillmore the Sac valley is a dry heat, similar to what you get in Phoenix/Death Valley, so maybe it's different than what you get with the humid summers more inland? That's not saying those inland cities are any worse or better, but my team battles heat exhaustion when we play during those 104-110 games.
118 degrees? are you joking. It rarely gets above 110 and mostly is in the 90s to low 100s. This isn't death valley. Newsflash, the A's used to be the triple A team here for years, and the Giant's triple A has been here a few years. Nobody is complaining. It is a great field for baseball and great weather for baseball too. The bonus is the fans won't be robbed blind while in the ball park and their cars will be intact when the game is over, unlike in Oakland.
@@805fillmore the city has done enough considering the tax payers are still paying for mount Davis even with the raiders gone…. But only someone who pays attention would know that. Makes you wonder why people keep talking about what they don’t know
That is horrible. Outdoor stadium with turf is disgusting. I remember seeing turf for the first time in person at Candlestick Park in 1971. It was simultaneously fascinating and vile at the same time. My A’s Coliseum grass was absolute beauty by comparison.
@@togoandmoss the oakland stadium had the highest rated on field conditions ----- its pretty well known. I wonder why Fisher let everything else fall in such disrepair..... Not even the fountain drinks work anymore because the cheap owner..... was cheap. Soon youll realize what your truly asking for isnt the end result your gonna get lol
@@togoandmoss What?? The fans go regardless of the coliseum. If you’re an A’s fan, the coliseum is heaven. The jackass owner is the reason for the no shows. He has single handedly put a wedge between the team and the fans. Simple as that!
Plastic can also melt in hot weather too. Try putting a plastic straw on the ground in Sacramento in upper 90s to 100 degree heat, knowing how hot Sacramento gets in the summer time. They probably would be as dumb enough go for artificial turf in Vegas too, since Vegas gets extremely hot in the summer months as well, just like their stupid ideas to move to Sacramento. All this stupidity, instead of getting a new ballpark at Howard Terminal. What a shame!
@@805fillmore What the fuck are you talking about? Did you not see most of the renderings that came out? Some of the earlier Vegas stadium renderings was a dome, before they came out with the current one which looks stupid. It's Vegas, not Sydney Australia. By the way, that dude heard about this just like we all did. What the fuck is your point?
WHY in the world would they ruin this beautiful ballpark and kill the grass to install astro turf??? Manfred has once again proven he knows nothing whatsoever about baseball! This is plain stupid, just as stupid as playing MLB in Vegas......
MLB essentially just forced out one of the most incompetent umpires. One would think that maybe, just maybe they would force out one of the most incompetent owners. Instead, they've just lowered the bar and lowered the bar and lowered the bar for Fisher. They could've charged him a relocation fee. They could've said that the deal in LV as of Jan 2024 was not binding enough to keep revenue sharing. It's looking more and more now to be less binding. Now, this joke of a temporary stadium situation for at least 3 seasons after the NHL forced the Coyotes to move to Utah because of their temporary venue without a new home on the horizon. What a joke
Really starting to wonder why they didn't just take the SLC option where they could have a new ballpark to themselves. Sharing a stadium with a minor league team whether it be in Sacramento or Las Vegas doesn't seem great because of the weather and artificial turf.
If the A's moved to SLC they would've lost their TV deal worth $70 million each year. Because Sacramento is somewhat close to the Bay, they can renegotiate and keep most of that revenue.
Can MLB and Fisher be anymore blind to everything that’s wrong with this move? And yes, where is the MLBPA? They have been silent. Let’s hope a sale can still be reached. LV has been very quiet lately.
Also Stop Acting like Sac Town is Phoenix it’s never going to be 117 degrees daily average temp is 90 to 103 degrees and the cats played through the summer here for years
All you folks seemed to give reasons why it won’t work instead of trying to overcome the obstacles to make it work. Btw, they will have natural grass at least for the first year.
Ridiculous, first the players are not going to sit still for Astro Turf and this idea of playing in Sacramento is going to be a huge loss financially for the A's and dismal for the Rivercats. After two months of this non sense the players, fans, and the press will realize they need to do this interim idea back in Oakland. Manfred and Fisher at some point will have to get real.
Our high school has been privileged to play a game every year at Sutter Health Park over the last 10 years. The playing surface for this year was the best that I have seen. The head groundskeeper mentioned that they use a different variety of grass than Oracle park because it is hotter in Sacramento. Sacramento often gets the cool Delta breezes at night making some evenings almost as cold as San Francisco. It makes no sense to mess with the field itself. In fact, why add seating capacity? The A's currently average around 6,400 fans. The seating capacity of Sutter Health Field is 10,624 plus 3,400 in the berm grass area.
For all this money for the "improvements" - wouldn't the same (or close to it) amount have covered the rent at the Coli next year? Silly. Done with MLB. F* them
Night games. Dodgers and SD play mostly night games. Artificial turf is because of the use factor of the stadium with two Teams playing there for three years.
Astro Turf is the Worst. This new Astro TURF with phony plastic grass and the caner causing rubber Chunks w water or something spraying off it is just silly. Baseball needed to return to Tradition. Now it's like the late 60s, and early mid 70s and all those sins are happening all over again. W THE AWFUL Manfred rules, a fing clock in a timeless game, Extra inning ghost man on 2nd.. pickoff limits, batter minimums, and no switching r and lhp is the Worst offenses The nets and gaudy led boards just destroy the experience. The stupid Led lights are blue and painful to the eye. Plus being told I can't have a paper ticket is INSANE arlt the box office. Assuming I have a stupid cell phone. The last thing at a game I want is a phone Also ... Can we get rid of these horrid ASG uniforms, and be proud of the teams who have represented our own towns. Plus the playoffs are too damn long, ruining the interest because no one can keep track when half the clubs are in. One who do not deserve it, should not knock off clubs who fought all year so easy ....and one more thing. Yes, let's get rid of Interleague Play. It's run it's course and brings more bad than good. Ok that's enough for now. Ps banning smoking areas means folks smoke in the bathroom or in hiding or stay in the seating bowl. Manfred works to make everyone uncomforable, eliminating the cheap upper deck seats youth and families can afford, and putting in ugly bars. What did u do to the Jake and Coors, they are awful looking.
If only they were as vigilant with the weed heads who seem to be on dope all over, and cops do nothing. But God forbid you light up a cigarette. Crazy.
It gets hot in the South. No big deal. Move the Athletics to Iraq, desert is fucking hot in 110 degree weather and you carry 50 pounds of gear. It gets cold at night in the desert. Boo hoo hoo! This crap is beyond reason.
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3:16 How are they going to sign free agents? That's the neat part, they won't.
Baseball was never meant to be played on turf or indoors. The A's will be doing both in Sac and Vegas. #Pathetic
As a person who installed astroturf for Cal High & Monte Vista I can confirm that those rubber pellets on the field get extremely hot during higher temperatures causing it to rise in heat. Is not fun during the summer
Plastic at high temps, especially outdoors, can also be a serious health hazard. The "forever chemicals" found in the Veterans Stadium turf from 1977 to 2001 were linked to 6 Phillies players all developing a rare brain cancer before the age of 60. (Tug McGraw, Darren Daulton, John Vukovich, John Oates, Ken Brett, and David West). The type of plastics/rubber might be different, but at 130°+ on the field, this can't be good, and another reason why the player's association should be totally against this.
Thanks MLB & Rob Manfred...ruin the River Cats' beautiful grass field so the freeloader John Fisher's A's can play there. It's not too late to reverse course and force him to sell the team.
Manfred is being controlled. No one can have that many bad ideas that a short term "fixes" that will hurt the game severely long term. Trying to cater to non fans is short sighted. The things that attract youth to baseball Is not gaudy Nike scumbag Goofy softball uniforms, it's Tradition.
The A"s got the Coliseum all to themselves,all the need is to Sign good players,and pay the good players they got
Casey Pratt, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
Fisher displays that he has "artificial intelligence."
I think skynet coming for you first after defamation 😂
Most games would be played at night therefore heat won’t be an issue.
George Brett told the story that when he was in Kansas City, they had put in turn in Royals Stadium. In the summer the trainer had bed pans full of ice in the dug out for players to soak their feet in between innings. Brett said during a day game he put his feet in the water and it started to turn to steam. Players were coming out of games with blisters on their feet.
Well, yeah. Plastic grass gets hot. It's bad enough to have it in an enclosed, air-conned stadium. But now you put it outdoors, in a functional desert, and when you try to wet it down to cool it off, it gets slicker than boiling snot. And Salt Lake isn't much better for day games than Sac-O-Tomatoes... Manfred, this mess is all yours buddy...
Fisher still can’t get funding , Ballys is going broke and Las Vegas still doesn’t want the A’s .. The A’s organization is the greatest shit show on earth ..
JOHN FISHER'S NIGHTMARE CONTINUES.....THE WATER IS STILL WARM
Turf? Outdoors? During summer in the Central Valley? SERIOUSLY?
Casey you asked the same question I've been wondering for a while now. Where is the Player's Union? Who's greasing the palms of the folks there, so that they're essentially giving approval of this travesty by staying silent?
There are several examples of teams sharing a ballpark. The older ones are in Philadelphia (A's and Phillies) and St. Louis (Cardinals and Browns) but that ended 70 years ago. A more recent example was 50 years ago when the Mets and Yankees shared the natural grass field of Shea Stadium for two seasons while Yankee Stadium was being reconstructed. The science of playing fields has improved exponentially since then. There is no doubt that a well engineered and carefully maintained natural grass field could be used.
So the Rivercats play day games there in summer now? Can't imagine that in the dog days of summer.
The Rivercats have been playing Day and night games in Sutter Health Park for 20 years and there haven’t been any issues. If you live in the Bay Area your perceptions of the heat in Sacto are overblown. Night games are wonderful.
Wow, so Arson Judge may melt in the field and won't be able to hit balls in to the river?
I'm just watching the Fischer-Kaval show crumble at this point, but it's going to be interesting to see what the A's do to Sutter field. They're going to rip out grass for turf and then build a random clubhouse across the street to use for 3 years, and then the A's are going to bounce. And then sacramento is left with a rushed footprint.
Also, I play ball in sac on a turf field in the summers and its brutal after a few innings. Sacramento Valley in the summer can get up to Arizona-type temperatures (104-111) and I dont think the A's realize the heat dangers games can bring to fans and players
Fisher could care less. He’s getting all this for free, and will laugh when he leaves. Let’s see the first player to get sun stroke or heat exhaustion during the game. MLB and Fisher are a joke
So inland places like Atlanta/Cincinatti/cleveland/chicago/ Detroit/ etc don’t get hot in the summer?
@@805fillmore the Sac valley is a dry heat, similar to what you get in Phoenix/Death Valley, so maybe it's different than what you get with the humid summers more inland? That's not saying those inland cities are any worse or better, but my team battles heat exhaustion when we play during those 104-110 games.
A's signing free agents...that's funny. If the Giants weren't neck deep in helping to push out the A's, they could move their AAA club back to Fresno.
Giants kind of like the idea of the short drive to see their AAA team play.
118 degrees? are you joking. It rarely gets above 110 and mostly is in the 90s to low 100s. This isn't death valley. Newsflash, the A's used to be the triple A team here for years, and the Giant's triple A has been here a few years. Nobody is complaining. It is a great field for baseball and great weather for baseball too. The bonus is the fans won't be robbed blind while in the ball park and their cars will be intact when the game is over, unlike in Oakland.
Can a possum survive on artificial turf? 🤔🤔🤔
Ask Fisher - he never fixed the problem - its weird people dont hold im more accountable in vegas
@@stefanbrown5872 City owns half the stadium why don’t they do anything about it?
@@805fillmore the city has done enough considering the tax payers are still paying for mount Davis even with the raiders gone…. But only someone who pays attention would know that.
Makes you wonder why people keep talking about what they don’t know
@@stefanbrown5872 What does mount Davis have to do with the Oakland A’s? Fisher has to pay because the city leaders are idiots?
@@stefanbrown5872 What do the A’s have to do with mount Davis?
I follow you on X, glad I found you on UA-cam. You asked a great question: where is the Player's Union? This is a travesty.
Turf is horrible not meant for baseball
That is horrible. Outdoor stadium with turf is disgusting. I remember seeing turf for the first time in person at Candlestick Park in 1971. It was simultaneously fascinating and vile at the same time. My A’s Coliseum grass was absolute beauty by comparison.
Players have said the Coliseum has one of the best fields in MLB.
@@oiler62a tweet from a player leaked last week … the player was saying how much he loves the coliseum 🤔🤔🤔
@@togoandmoss the oakland stadium had the highest rated on field conditions ----- its pretty well known. I wonder why Fisher let everything else fall in such disrepair..... Not even the fountain drinks work anymore because the cheap owner..... was cheap. Soon youll realize what your truly asking for isnt the end result your gonna get lol
@@stefanbrown5872 so help me understand… the fans won’t go because the coliseum was trash but the field is impeccable?
@@togoandmoss What?? The fans go regardless of the coliseum. If you’re an A’s fan, the coliseum is heaven. The jackass owner is the reason for the no shows. He has single handedly put a wedge between the team and the fans. Simple as that!
Its really pathetic that the A's would rather put themselves thru all this , then deal with oakland politicians. All sides look really bad right now
Plastic can also melt in hot weather too. Try putting a plastic straw on the ground in Sacramento in upper 90s to 100 degree heat, knowing how hot Sacramento gets in the summer time. They probably would be as dumb enough go for artificial turf in Vegas too, since Vegas gets extremely hot in the summer months as well, just like their stupid ideas to move to Sacramento. All this stupidity, instead of getting a new ballpark at Howard Terminal. What a shame!
Wait do you think Vegas is making an outdoor stadium? Did you just hear about this?
@@805fillmore What the fuck are you talking about? Did you not see most of the renderings that came out? Some of the earlier Vegas stadium renderings was a dome, before they came out with the current one which looks stupid. It's Vegas, not Sydney Australia. By the way, that dude heard about this just like we all did. What the fuck is your point?
@kevinpegram262 It is a shame, but we can't fix stupid.
WHY in the world would they ruin this beautiful ballpark and kill the grass to install astro turf??? Manfred has once again proven he knows nothing whatsoever about baseball! This is plain stupid, just as stupid as playing MLB in Vegas......
MLB essentially just forced out one of the most incompetent umpires. One would think that maybe, just maybe they would force out one of the most incompetent owners. Instead, they've just lowered the bar and lowered the bar and lowered the bar for Fisher. They could've charged him a relocation fee. They could've said that the deal in LV as of Jan 2024 was not binding enough to keep revenue sharing. It's looking more and more now to be less binding. Now, this joke of a temporary stadium situation for at least 3 seasons after the NHL forced the Coyotes to move to Utah because of their temporary venue without a new home on the horizon. What a joke
Really starting to wonder why they didn't just take the SLC option where they could have a new ballpark to themselves. Sharing a stadium with a minor league team whether it be in Sacramento or Las Vegas doesn't seem great because of the weather and artificial turf.
If the A's moved to SLC they would've lost their TV deal worth $70 million each year. Because Sacramento is somewhat close to the Bay, they can renegotiate and keep most of that revenue.
Move the Triple-A team to another city. This is not a big deal.
Game starts at 7 pm it’s not going to be 105 ☀️ it does cool down Also we get the Delta Breeze
If you attend an As game in Sacramento you wack.
Can MLB and Fisher be anymore blind to everything that’s wrong with this move? And yes, where is the MLBPA? They have been silent. Let’s hope a sale can still be reached. LV has been very quiet lately.
What if AASEG contacted Fisher and offered him a lease for $5 million/year? Does he say no? The city is no longer in the equation at that point.
I'm confused. We've literally had baseball here for decades. So there cleats have been melting that whole time?
it's the switching to artificial turf and the heat associated with it that might melt cleats.
Block the upgrades.
The plot thickens???
I do agree that Casey is exaggerating here. But I still don’t get why they need artificial turf for an outdoor stadium.
What are you still talking about the A’s?
Also Stop Acting like Sac Town is Phoenix it’s never going to be 117 degrees daily average temp is 90 to 103 degrees and the cats played through the summer here for years
All you folks seemed to give reasons why it won’t work instead of trying to overcome the obstacles to make it work. Btw, they will have natural grass at least for the first year.
lol that is all I could come up with
Ridiculous, first the players are not going to sit still for Astro Turf and this idea of playing in Sacramento is going to be a huge loss financially for the A's and dismal for the Rivercats. After two months of this non sense the players, fans, and the press will realize they need to do this interim idea back in Oakland. Manfred and Fisher at some point will have to get real.
Rivercats need to play elsewhere for 3 years
Like the coliseum. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
@@jeremyd1869 That may play some games at the Coliseum or Oracle Park the next 3 years from what I understand
Our high school has been privileged to play a game every year at Sutter Health Park over the last 10 years. The playing surface for this year was the best that I have seen. The head groundskeeper mentioned that they use a different variety of grass than Oracle park because it is hotter in Sacramento. Sacramento often gets the cool Delta breezes at night making some evenings almost as cold as San Francisco. It makes no sense to mess with the field itself. In fact, why add seating capacity? The A's currently average around 6,400 fans. The seating capacity of Sutter Health Field is 10,624 plus 3,400 in the berm grass area.
For all this money for the "improvements" - wouldn't the same (or close to it) amount have covered the rent at the Coli next year? Silly. Done with MLB. F* them
It has never hit 118 degrees in Sac. Summer average is about 92. Stop this propaganda. You lost your team. MOVE ON. Focus on stopping crime in oakland
Have fun playing on 115 degree fields…f’n ridiculous
Night games. Dodgers and SD play mostly night games. Artificial turf is because of the use factor of the stadium with two
Teams playing there for three years.
Astro Turf is the Worst. This new Astro TURF with phony plastic grass and the caner causing rubber Chunks w water or something spraying off it is just silly. Baseball needed to return to Tradition. Now it's like the late 60s, and early mid 70s and all those sins are happening all over again. W THE AWFUL Manfred rules, a fing clock in a timeless game, Extra inning ghost man on 2nd.. pickoff limits, batter minimums, and no switching r and lhp is the Worst offenses
The nets and gaudy led boards just destroy the experience. The stupid Led lights are blue and painful to the eye. Plus being told I can't have a paper ticket is INSANE arlt the box office. Assuming I have a stupid cell phone. The last thing at a game I want is a phone
Also ... Can we get rid of these horrid ASG uniforms, and be proud of the teams who have represented our own towns. Plus the playoffs are too damn long, ruining the interest because no one can keep track when half the clubs are in. One who do not deserve it, should not knock off clubs who fought all year so easy ....and one more thing. Yes, let's get rid of Interleague Play. It's run it's course and brings more bad than good.
Ok that's enough for now. Ps banning smoking areas means folks smoke in the bathroom or in hiding or stay in the seating bowl. Manfred works to make everyone uncomforable, eliminating the cheap upper deck seats youth and families can afford, and putting in ugly bars. What did u do to the Jake and Coors, they are awful looking.
If only they were as vigilant with the weed heads who seem to be on dope all over, and cops do nothing. But God forbid you light up a cigarette. Crazy.
Another reason why this continues to be a shit show
If they put that shit in, I'm out
Why is it 118 degrees as an example? Not very objective, thats not a realistic temperature
It gets hot in the South. No big deal. Move the Athletics to Iraq, desert is fucking hot in 110 degree weather and you carry 50 pounds of gear. It gets cold at night in the desert. Boo hoo hoo! This crap is beyond reason.
finna be lit. sold out games
Should have moved the A’s to SLC.
LMAO 😂
Well, that Sucks
Remember St Louis back in 87, team was Hot🔥, so was the stadium 🏟️ Hot 🥵
Artificial Turf was Brutal
Reminds me of a Song 🎵 🎧 from my childhood :
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Humidity also makes a big difference.
Low humidity in Calif