The Reason Your Bass Drum / Kick Doubles are Trash - Drum Lesson
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Getting two fast, powerful, precise strokes on the kick might feel like a real strain, but that's just because you're trying too hard. The less you try, the easier it is to use this technique. Praise be the slide!
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Bold of you to assume I can do doubles
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Thank you! I’m totally onboard with this technique. I’m a beginner drummer, and fast double kicks used to kill me. A month ago, I switched from one teacher to another, the new guy watched me playing on the very first lesson, and the first thing he told me to try is this exact technique. I came back home, practiced it for an hour, and from that moment on I’ve been kicking those fast doubles like a boss! Very easy! And loud too!
Thanks for watching!
How do you get at fast speed with chopping
@@chaddavis5787 practice the chops from slow tempos to fast. That's the only way I know of, I doubt there is a shortcut.
@@joeforbes2885yep. to add to this, never ever underestimate super slow practice, put some good time into playing things slow af. And don't rush upping your bpm, make sure you are playing comfortably and cleanly before you go to the next bpm
I didn't think I'd EVER get the slide technique, then one day I noticed I was doing exactly that: trying too hard. I needed to utilize the spring motion of the pedal coming up from that initial 'push', to make the second stroke effortless. There's a definite feel to it. Once it clicks, it's like "Oh THAT'S what they're on about!" 😁
I swear I’m gonna throw my right leg into the bin this it just will not do strong fast doubles
The visual is a godsend
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U a real one I been hammering them out for years
Just gotta stay loose. Thanks for watching!
Good job on explaining this technique. Also showing straight and swung 16th. Kudos!
Thanks for watching!
I would say the biggest thing that hindered me for years was trying to hard to go fast too soon .....the best thing is to start slow and stay there for like a month getting everything down till it becomes muscle memory then slightly increase the speed every two weeks
Very useful! As a beginner, it's hard to figure out what technique works best for me because they all feel unnatural, especially heel-toe. What you say is true, my fastest doubles are the ones where I'm not even trying and my leg just does a spasm x)
You djdnt cover the 2 biggest questions....spring tension and resting beater position
Fair point! I keep my beater resting about 45 degrees from the kick (half way between pressed against the head and all the way back, flat).
I'd say my spring is at a medium tension. Spring tension is a lot more subjective with this technique - looser tension gives more glide at the cost of speed, higher tension gives more responsiveness at the expense of needing to try a bit harder to get out the strokes. Try some different settings to find what feels best for you!
Great video! Thank you. Practiced this for 20m and my foot is gonna fall off. So I think I did something right. Lol
This technique is my signature groove that all musicians turn their heads trying to find my other kick pedal when it's only just one pedal i have
Samuel Ziegler dude, once you can do triple kicks you feel soo much cooler, cause people typically think I’m using a second pedal or kick
Mia Khalifa
sick haha!
@@thewigon I know what you mean bro
I wish I’d have discovered this a long time ago. Oh well. Now I wanna buy a kit just to do this
I'm working my way into a solid intermediate player and this is very timely. I will share it with my Learning Drummers group and get started on this this week. I'm working on some Bonham stuff and getting ready for a show in December. These kinds of bass beats are necessary for that. Thank you for this.
Thanks for watching and happy practicing!
Woah, never thought to use HKKH or KHHK patterns before. That's actually really useful, thanks for sharing!!
You got it. Thanks for watching!
Oh wow!! Will have to practice this...now this makes sense to me.
Yes mate! I've been trying for ages and youre totally right, i was trying too hard. Thankyou, this improved my double kicks in about 2 mins
Former lifelong try to hard person here. Slowing down, relaxing, and firming up your technique is the way. Great video and love the exercise near the end. Definitely stealing that for my practice.
Yeah, forcing yourself to stay loose is much easier said than done. Thanks for watching!
Finally someone teaching this on a normal pedal!
I’m sick of people easily moving 300+bpm on a $1000+ Trick and or magnetic trick pedal and telling new drummers that this is possible for them if only they use their techniques and method!
A first year drummer dies not understand trick pedals yet and are much less likely to ever attain those kicks! Thise are half stroke,half rebound full force ballistic pedals you’re seeing in other videos!
This vid is more real world and much more valuable! Thanks Crisis
Maaan! Thank you! My foot is so heavy and slow. This was perfect.
I'm glad you find this stuff useful. Thanks for watching!
this is actually an incredible video. all the others ones i was having marginal luck with but i practiced this for like 5 minutes and now feeling SUPER EXCITED. thank you
Thanks man, this cleared everything up for me. My doubles sound great now!!
Excellent man!!! How long did it take you to nail this technique?
Thank you! I can't say for sure how long it took me to learn this technique and use it consciously. I accidentally came across the motion when I was like, 13 or 14, but only knew how to use it as quick little burst of triplets (like John Bonham).
Is that a Vater hard felt beater on your Speed Cobra Pedal?
Derrick Blakely Nope, it’s a Vic Kick beater. It’s pretty hard, but I like the weight to it. Feels really nice on this pedal.
Josh Merhar, it sure looks like it. I'll probably order one for my pedal.
Thanks again. Would you apply the slide technique to the "Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin? I was thinking that's such an endurance workout, wondering if slide would reduce fatigue.
I watched so many slide technique videos. Yours was so so easy to understand. Thank you so much!
Many of the old jazz greats say to play with shoes on instead of sneakers. Bernard Perdie is a big advocate of this too.
I personally have always played with sneakers and it feels odd to play with shoes on, so I am going to assume it’s up to you and what your preferences are.
I will play heal toe sometimes and it’s just unconsciously being done
Much appreciated Lesson,Josh. What shoes do you wear? I find that the type of shoes have a bearing on "sliding" the foot in this manner? What level do you keep your Throne Height? and angle to the bass pedal? Stephen Clark on YT also describes this movement,with some Super Slo-Mo, but you are showing the progressive speeds applied. I like it. If I can the knack of this, I will be able to return the Double Bass pedals I just purchased. One is a Mapex DB pedal (main and Slave), the other is a Cannon Twin effect (similar to a Dualist II,) with a Heel and toe pad on the same pedal. That takes a lot to get used to. At 69 YO, and having returned to playing drums after a 51 YEar Hiatus, now in retirement, to play for enjoyment at Home, I find it difficult to master this quickness with my right leg... But I guess, Practice makes Perfect.... I'm not playing Gigs nor do I think I will be in the near future (unless someone starts up a Geriatric Band here locally by me ), but play to MY Music: CCR, Clapton, Petty, Stones, Beatles, Springsteen, Mellencamp, Steve Winwood, Eagles, Hollies, Kinks, Cars, and more....
So useful. Every time I have seen someone do this it's been on long board pedals with size 10 billion feet, so you clarifying it's not the pedal or foot size helps me know it's got to be the mechanics of the movement and to keep trying.
Nice touch showing the smaller pedal and debunking the rumors!
Where did you get the spring under the kick pedal??? I can't find one anywhere
It comes installed on Tama Speed Cobras.
and you can buy it as well. cobra coil I believe it is calles
Awesome tips! Thanks man 👍
I'm glad you dig. Thanks for watching!
Been playing for ever..can't do this..
I will try this and see if it works for me. Hope to report back with positive results
ahhh tysm!! i've been struggling with doubles for awhile since im a new drummer. i'm currently getting the hang of this technique, tysm!!!!!!
What cymbals are you using here? Anyway I always feel pain on my knees after playing drums. Maybe it's my 24" bass drum. The rebound is hardest to obtain on It than on a 22" kick.
The hihats are 2 18" crashes with many huge cracks going through them (Meinl Dark crash on top, Zildjian A Custom EFX on bottom), 18" Meinl Dual crash on the left, 22" Meinl Sand Ride, 20" Paiste Masters Extra Thin crash on the right, and an extremely cracked first gen 10" Sabian Maxx Staxx.
Excellent video, thanks. What do you consider is the best tension spring if I’m a beginner and I want to develop this technique. Also what do you consider best for an entry level pedal: Iron cobra 200, DW 2000 or Pearl P930. I appreciate your opinion
I honestly can’t thank you enough. Earlier today I wasn’t able to play any doubles without tending up and getting off beat, but now getting them out is a breeze.
03:55 sounds like "Purple Stain" by RHCP
i feel like my foot gets stuck whilst sliding? what can i do to prevent this/ make the slide fluent
Try being even lighter on your foot - it's crazy how light of a touch is needed! The motion is much more back/forward instead of up/down. If your foot gets stuck, it's likely because you're still putting too much pressure on the pedal.
Yo Josh! Thanks for the video. Just had a quick question - ideally what part of my leg should I use for this? Let's say I did this straight for 10 minutes, which part of my leg should be getting tired?
Did anyone else have a problem with this tecnicue and have to take it very slow? My foot was so slow on the forward slide I could only do 60-70bpm. I feel like theres a part of the technique I'm missing.
That foot-rock is NOT an easy exercise. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Yes this technique works on all pedals but I might add that it’s important to have the beater angle and spring tension set correctly. If the beater at a resting state is too close to the head it may be harder to use this method. Spring tension that is too tight or loose can present its own set of problems. This isn’t news to anyone that’s been playing awhile but perhaps for some less experienced players that are struggling with doubles.. Love all your videos much respect to you.
Hey, thanks for watching! You're totally right. Gear should be set up in a way that it works with you. Fighting against gear can create bad habits and make playing more difficult in general.
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Oh ok o didn't know that that's some great info
Thanks you for always sharing great content
Thanks for mentioning that. I am going to start on this and I didn't think about these things. I'll check for that before I get too deep into it.
I'm a little late to the party, but I have a question. What happens if the first (tap) stroke is too weak? Sometimes the beater doesn't seem to reach the drum head...
Speed cobra 910? I'm a beginner drummer and trying to learn how to do this. The kick pedal that came with my drum set is the cheapest one Tama makes. I realize this is all about technique but will having a better pedal help at all?
What's up dude, I remember when you were at the front desk for the drum practice rooms at Berklee. Cheers.
I'm not a drummer, but any fellow drummers could tell if this is the technique that John Bonham used for songs like Achilles Last Stand of Immigrant Song? Nice video
Bonzo used the heel toe if I'm not wrong
Arijit Gupta I think he’s talking about the playing 2 notes of the triplet with the bass drum and one with the hi-hat or with the hi-hat and snare at the same time.
This guys in the comments are so angry not knowing that it helps a lot for beginners.
Excellent video. I’ve been playing for a long time as a weekend warrior drummer and the kick drum is always the most difficult. You’ve helped me tremendously with getting different kick drum sounds and beats and of course speed kills
I'm glad you find this stuff helpful. Thanks for watching!
I see how it’s done but can you play quieter notes doing this? This has always been the problem for me--- dynamics,,, I can only play quiet notes heel down and the music I play requires this,,,,, it seems that you have only one dynamic level here or maybe two,,,, Loud and Louder. Also data on spring tension-- it looks like your tension is pretty loose but I’m not absolutely certain of that.
You pretty much touched into the fundamentals of gospel chops with the 'HAND-KICK' patterns, believe it or not.
I learned doubles unintentionally after I fell in love with early Genesis and Brand X Phil Collins stuff which has a ton of really fast single kick parts in it. Hot take but IMO Phil Collins had the fastest and tastiest single bass ever even better than Bonham
Thanks man! This is really helpful for me and as someone who only uses heel-toe technique on a long board pedal for doubles
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you find this stuff helpful.
Are there downsides to heel toe?
@@Sasfraz Nah. Heel-toe works better for lots of drummers, but this works better for me. Different strokes for different folks!
Josh Merhar oh okay thanks I just wasn’t sure if I should get outa the habit or not
Man, I must still be trying too hard or am not relaxed enough. Its the slide for the second stroke where I seem to get struck, I always have to lift my foot a bit and make my ankle do a second stroke as opposed to sliding my foot to get the second stroke - my shoe wants to stick to the pedal, it doesn't want to slide. Maybe I need to break it down into two parts: first the tap a the rear of the board, then just allow my foot to rest on the footboard and work on the slide separately. Argh. But congrats to those of you who got it quickly, gives me hope :)
Awesome vid. Thanks for sharing
Thank you, I have been getting frustrated because my foot seems slow.
Aww, I should practice more and others should play what is in their heart more - balance...
How to improve 16th kick????? Wear chucks or socks 🤣
Never been able to make this work for me. I've always used Dave Weckl's technique. I know a couple guys that use this technique though and they think I'm nuts for using Weckl's technique.
In the end... As long as you get the results you want. It's all good.
Different strokes for different folks! This technique isn't the only way or "best" way to get doubles. But I totally agree - you should do what feels best for you!
Yeah I'm one of those who just can't get this happening.
I use a heel-toe action which still gets me very quick doubles so I'm not massively inconvenienced but it is annoying to not be able to make a technique work.
@@aimdrummer I used to be strictly heel-toe. Then I decided I wanted slide in my arsenal. It took forever to get my slide as good as my HT. Eventually it came though. Now I set my pedal up to be adjusted for just in-between each HT and slide and use each for different occasions. Keep at it. It takes time.
Thank you for this video! Can I ask. Will there be a tap sound on the pedal board? Tap sound when you strike both notes.
This technique sucks for me it more effort to slide back and forth and messes up my timing. The swivel technique to get doubles and triples works better for and I suppose I should keep doing what works.
Shawn Edge Yeah, don’t try to fix something that’s not broken. Like, I haven’t been able to get the swivel technique down so I use this instead. The “correct” technique is the one that works best for you!
Frustrated!
Helped a lot thanks. I feel somewhat confident with my doubles now!
I’m still waiting to see you play it 💨 fast🤷🏾♂️
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That's the good stuff.
They use this in a lot of those Gospelchop drumfills.
Joe Goldberg teaching drums. Nice 👍🏼
If your beater was harder at the start would’ve your skin torn?
American One Productions Rehearsal and Drum Studio in NJ gives this video two huge thumbs up 👍🏻👍🏻. Thanks for sharing 🥁
Thanks for watching!
I appreciate this. A lot. I’ve never seen this broken down so well and made quite so approachable. I play heel down, so I’m always a little unsure of the bass double techniques that assume you’re playing heel up. But this seems like something I can easily transition to from a heel down position. Quick doubles is something I just haven’t developed well, and I’m ashamed to say I’ve avoided them a bit. I’m off to practice! Thanks man 🙏
This is great vs some of the others wherein you tap with the toe then drop the foot which I can’t perform as it becomes way too mechanical; question is about spring tension, is it better to use this with a more loose setting?
I noticed at 3:23 you gradually start burying the beater. Is this inevitable at those speeds?
If one has been practicing barefoot, then tries with a shoe on and now back to square one, is there a quick adjustment for this?
Thank you, I needed this I guess
Wouldn't friction be a limiting factor for this technique?
Just translate pls:
Ik kan mijn hand en voet niet loskoppelen, ik doe het zelfde met mijn snare als met mijn kick 😢
Just can’t make what your page name is and Instagram page, due to poor recording or my crap phone
I having a problem my foot wont hit hard enough its very weird
Is there a technique for doubles with heel down
I have no idea why but I know exactly what to do, but for some reason my brain wants to use too much of my leg instead of my ankle and I get really short, small strokes instead of powerful strokes.
This is the reason i switched to heel toe technique, it forces your ankle to make the second hit powerful....and that make your sound even
My Right Hand always follow right kick, how to fix that 😅
Framerate's as crisp as your doubles
👍🏾got it!
Finally on that 1080p 60 fps grind. Some day I'll have a computer and monitor can handle 4k editing hah. Thanks for watching!
Petite feet, feminine step. Looks like a lady when he’s walkin in the room
I have no idea how my foot does doubles. It just does, sometimes when I don’t want it too
Great video, question: I use the Speed Cobra as well, however I broke the factory spring twice already. I tried a heavy duty spring but my forward stroke gets restricted even at its loosest tension. Are u still using the factory spring and if not, do you recommend a certain spring? Thanks in advance for your reply
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I'm still using the factory spring. Haven't had an issue with it yet, but only had the pedal for about a year and a half so far. The only thing I swapped out is the beater (using a felt Vic Kick).
I love the Pearl SSC. I own one in Sequioa Red.
Nice job. What would you suggest for keeping the dynamics more even though?
Since the first stroke is essentially just a tap which is followed by a full-foot “slam” (of sorts) along the pedal board.
J BL Thanks for watching! The more comfortable you get with this technique, you can even out the dynamics by compressing the slide into a smaller motion, giving a bit more punch to the first stroke. You can dig in with your toe a bit on that initial snap back to get more emphasis on that first stroke, too.
Josh Merhar So practice. Lol. Got it. It’s certainly worth trying out.
Thanks for the vid.
Good Job!!👏🏼🥁
Any of Kansas or Dixie dregs taught me a lot
I've been trying to increase my kick speed and I can do it pretty fast just normally, but when I'm in an actual song and I'm trying to play a little louder I find that I'm too heavy footed and I can't get the rebound that I need. This technique worked really well for me and I can actually play consistently now. Thanks so much for the vid!
Very helpful.. New subscriber here..
Thank you 😊
Now this is a kick ass video
I was curious at about what tempo would you personally start using the slide for a "double?" I have been practicing and it seems to be less tension even at pretty slow tempos.
I can't really pinpoint a particular tempo. The technique definitely isn't practical at slow speeds - it becomes really difficult to control that first stroke. You'll be able to use the technique in a wider range of speeds the better you get with it, though.
Thanks for the guidance and excellent
artworks on the walls.
Looks like the beater is hitting top of your foot...is it?
Great vid bro. Just bought a cheap drumset for more sounds for my arsenal and this was helpful. Finally I’m just getting the double kick but haven’t saw any of these variations.
The swung 16th is close to a 32nd kicks?? But I think in my opinion this is the most useful lesson for bass drum technique in yt. 👍👍
Subie Rumbles Whaat??
It's kind of close to 32nds, but I think it's closer to 16th triplets. Thanks for watching!
Thank you sir soo much I Am trying so much to learn double kick I can another ways easily but I learned to play drums based on hearing. Your video is a life saver 🫡
And the pedal tension?
Man can i now your speed cobra settings?
bro thank you.. I am learning from this video.. i got progress... Thanks thanks....
That foot is NOT a part of your body!
I’m only learning this so I can do the ph intro in class