Even if the video isn't out yet, I love when you test the rackmount cases. Because of your review I ended up getting the RM52, and then Silverstone released the RM600. Which is even bigger, and has drive mount slots on the underside, and it's bigger!
The 285k is amazing for productivity but it's simply not great for gaming. A lot of its problems are likely software and BIOS related, but it's still slower in a game like Cyberpunk even after the 2.2 update.
Also its really really efficient. Its more efficient than my 7950x3d. Also they have 4Xe cores. Thats pretty close to 1650 in performance. Makes for a really awesome low power build and then scale to a monster if you wanted to
Yea, small by a tiny difference that's totally insignificant and never will be noticed, but still almost 3 times as fast in productivity. I'll take that balance any day.
@Dracula-m2k I was looking at buying ps5 but paying to play online is just silly. I do though admire the Playstation community, they kept Fallout 76 alive as it came bundle with PSN live 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'm kinda hoping Intel will have their BIOS, microcode, and OS issues for Arrow lake sorted by early next year. I've been waiting until after CES 2025 before I build my new system, just for more variety of options on Mobo, RAM, storage, and such. I've mainly been waiting for the 5090 and just haven't quite decided on CPU yet. Both for gaming and productivity, locked to 120HZ 4k on my TV. I've been following all the news on Intel and AMD, and just haven't settled on which route I'm gonna go. Hoping AMD gets some better Mobo options during/after CES, that's kinda one of my holdouts. As for Intel their new platform just needs some serious optimization, but I like all the tuning options available in the BIOS. I've had a preference for Intel through the years. But if the 9950X3D pans out well and AM5 gets some better Mobi options, maybe some overclocking specific boards like Intel.. that could be a compelling choice as well.
Also my PROBLEM with these kind of videos is…these tech UA-camrs most definitely have TWO systems, one for gaming and one for productivity. So yes, obviously the x3D cpus are going to be better for gaming but for productivity they’re not the best. Some people can only have one system and have to delegate what is more important or find a balanced cpu.
It doesn't suck, it's just not as good. But things like rednering are stellar. If games were more optimized for p-cores and e-cores it can be a lot better. BTW, I play at 1440p, it's the sweet spot in my opninion.
brother. the mhz on the gpu weren't the same...amd system was at 2775mhz and the intel system was at 2670mhz... that's quite a bit higher... my i9-9900k at 4.97ghz all core, 8c 16t and dell 4090 stock 100% power limit, is at 2760mhz and sometimes even 2775mhz.
@@GearSeekers Being in the industry for over 30 years, I personally found that its just inefficient, impractical and downright uncomfortable unless you elevate the workspace to head height which in itself is weird.
You used two different 4090 cards. That could be some of the difference. Not saying that’s all of it. Also the 285k hasn’t had years of microcode and software advancements. Maybe in time it will be closer.
If a product isn't up to scratch then you have to call it out, so don't be sorry! ps. Merry Christmas guys, hope you at least get a little break and thanks for all the great content this year.
@@MRwilliejoynergaming at 4k with a 4090 will not always get you 60 fps. With many AAA games, you will need to use upscaling, which renders at less than 4k. Depending on the fps you are after, you may even need to render at 1080p, to upscale to 4k. In that scenario, the AMD chip will be significantly faster, while Intel will likely bottleneck...
Would be interesting to see how much they improve this with bios/chipset drivers! Also i may have missed it if it was mentioned but did you test on the 24h2 build of windows 11? I believe they improved AMDs cpu performace at the windows level with that update as far back as the 5000 series
My 7800X 3D still whipping Intel's butt, no need in upgrading yet. Looks like it was a smart investment after all. Now if AMD will make the CU-Dimm stuff work at full speed but till then DDR5 is fast enough for me
maybe if you use an fps cap (to something that doesnt fluctuate) on the intel cpu it may improve the input latency. cause even with high fps and top line gear gameplay experience can suffer from detriments of a bottleneck in the system, and there is always a bottleneck cause it's just a spec that is a limiting factor for any current scenario
here's something no one is thinking about the 14900k is on a 7nm architecture and is currently faster in many cases than the 285k however the 285k is using 3nm which tells me intel haven't got things right on the software side it should be capable of pulling less power and still easily be faster in all respects including gaming. Has to be a bios and driver related issue.
people forget why do anyone would buy a k overclockable processor ? yep you guess it to overclock and tune it with high X.M.P speed on memory on high end boards that can handle and give you best of speed and stability if you know what are doing ofc this gen isnt great for intel but it's a good start in right direction just like ryzen when it first came out
Hi could you make an updated version with Intels latest improvements patch/BIOS they gave out? To see if their "fixes" for gaming actually did made a difference? Thanks in advance.
That MKBHD roast was gold, even if it's just a little roast 🤣 And what a shame, for the money Intel is really not worth it anymore... might as well get the 265K now, since it only has 4 cores less, Efficiency Cores at that... if you absolutely must have Intel
Nicht geeignet ist das falsche Wort. Aber AMD ist besser, wenn es um Gaming geht. Intel ist besser für Anwendungen. Der 3D-Cache macht den Unterschied. Und so haben der 7800X3D und der 9800X3D nur 8 Kerne, was fürs Gaming völlig ausreicht, die mit dem schnellen Cache gefüttert werden.
So, a couple of fps difference in practice, in a battle between a CPU that's specifically designed for games and one that isn't, and outperforms the gaming CPU by literally 2x to 3x in productivity. Notice how AMD fans act like 30% gaming difference (in theory, not practice) means the world, but 300% productivity performance is just glossed over and ignored. Btw. - this is all done before Intel releases firmware and BIOS fixes, and before Windows releases updates optimized for the Intel Core Ultra CPU's, where they promise big gains.
The fanboy angle is over used. I like tech. I like the right tool for the job. A few months ago I switched from the 13700KF to the 7800X3D for gaming. This video is not about productivity. Its about playing the game that I play and the 285K right now is not good. It's a simple premise. I have a Threadripper for my actual work. I've been on Threadripper systems since it launched in 2017. BIOS fixes and waiting for an OS to get optimisations is the problem not the solution. I said the same thing when Ryzen 9000 launched. It was a hot mess.
It obliterates it in productivity with over 2x the performance at the same price and lower power use, and in games it's about 20% slower on 1080p, less than 5% slower on 4k. Point being, at 4K, you'll need to wait for at least 2 more generations of GPU's, and then buy the top model, to feel like any of these two CPU's is a bottleneck at 4k.
Hey bud, love the vid. Would it be possible to do a how to properly setup a 7800X3D? I have one but its not properly setup. Most people say to undervolt it. I dont know how to do that all
Suck is a word people throw around very easily nowadays, especially AMD fanboys when they talk about Intel in any context because now Intel finally had some issues that AMD has always had. It's not a CPU that's focused on gaming even remotely, and it's still very, very good at it, among the best CPU's on the market regardless of price, even though purely for gaming 265k is pretty much just as good and cheaper, and equivalent to i7 14700k, plus/minus a few fps depending on the game. What it's ACTUALLY the best at is productivity, nothing at this price comes close to it. In fact, AMD doesn't have a single CPU that can match 285k's productivity and gaming performance at the same time. They have CPU's that barely beat it in gaming, by a far smaller difference than they let it out to be, but have 30%-40% of its performance in productivity. That's not very impressive. I'll take 90% of gaming performance and 200-250% productivity performance over any AMD x3D CPU for the same or similar price. Not to mention X3D CPU's are riddled with annoyances that fanboys gladly never talk about or just ignore on purpose, such as poor frame time stability, bad 1% low fps, so even games that supposedly run at very high fps often feel like they're stuttering and aren't perfectly fluid like on Intel systems that run the game at lower fps. I compared 7800x3d and 14700k, 7800x3d ran all games at 10-20% fps higher, looking at the number in my monitor corner. Actually playing the game without knowing the fps, I'd put my both hands into fire that games ran better, more responsive and fluid on the Intel system. Not to mention the complications of V-cache, the fact you need Xbox game center running to make it work properly and it doesn't work with all games, it sometimes just doesn't work reliably, and you start a game once and it runs perfectly, you start it next time and it works much worse, etc. So you're always anxious about whether the CPU is actually doing what it's supposed to or you have to restart the game. It's just not a refined experience, never has been, AMD has always been a stuttering, lagging, inconsistent mess. Both their CPU's and their GPU's.
Alternative title: Does GPU bottlenecking the shit out of a buggy dogshit CPU make it seem less like a bucket of ass? Spoiler the result was worse than I thought. I never even thought that the Intel would feel so much worse with similar frame rates but here we are.
What's amazing is that usebenchmark gets flack for saying the truth. Genuinely Intel does have better 1% and 0.1% lows on even a 13600k vs a 9800x3d at 4k
Didn't need to watch the video to know the answer. But I watched anyway for the algorithm.
Same
For the algorithm!
Remember….if you’re doing productivity as well as gaming, the 8 core AMD cpu just isn’t it.
Even if the video isn't out yet, I love when you test the rackmount cases. Because of your review I ended up getting the RM52, and then Silverstone released the RM600. Which is even bigger, and has drive mount slots on the underside, and it's bigger!
The 285k is amazing for productivity but it's simply not great for gaming. A lot of its problems are likely software and BIOS related, but it's still slower in a game like Cyberpunk even after the 2.2 update.
Also its really really efficient. Its more efficient than my 7950x3d. Also they have 4Xe cores. Thats pretty close to 1650 in performance. Makes for a really awesome low power build and then scale to a monster if you wanted to
Yea, small by a tiny difference that's totally insignificant and never will be noticed, but still almost 3 times as fast in productivity. I'll take that balance any day.
@Dracula-m2k I was looking at buying ps5 but paying to play online is just silly. I do though admire the Playstation community, they kept Fallout 76 alive as it came bundle with PSN live 🤣 🤣 🤣
@Dracula-m2k Let me guess, you're 13 years old?
@Dracula-m2kYes yes once upon a time I played at 30 FPS on console and I was happy, but times change.
Thank you for covering 4k gaming. That’s how I game also and wish people did more in depth testing at this resolution
I'm kinda hoping Intel will have their BIOS, microcode, and OS issues for Arrow lake sorted by early next year. I've been waiting until after CES 2025 before I build my new system, just for more variety of options on Mobo, RAM, storage, and such.
I've mainly been waiting for the 5090 and just haven't quite decided on CPU yet. Both for gaming and productivity, locked to 120HZ 4k on my TV. I've been following all the news on Intel and AMD, and just haven't settled on which route I'm gonna go. Hoping AMD gets some better Mobo options during/after CES, that's kinda one of my holdouts. As for Intel their new platform just needs some serious optimization, but I like all the tuning options available in the BIOS.
I've had a preference for Intel through the years. But if the 9950X3D pans out well and AM5 gets some better Mobi options, maybe some overclocking specific boards like Intel.. that could be a compelling choice as well.
Definitely get 9950x3d unless it completely shits the bed
Also my PROBLEM with these kind of videos is…these tech UA-camrs most definitely have TWO systems, one for gaming and one for productivity. So yes, obviously the x3D cpus are going to be better for gaming but for productivity they’re not the best. Some people can only have one system and have to delegate what is more important or find a balanced cpu.
First thing I noticed is the vcache makes the AMD cpu really hot even at 60% utilization.
It doesn't suck, it's just not as good. But things like rednering are stellar. If games were more optimized for p-cores and e-cores it can be a lot better. BTW, I play at 1440p, it's the sweet spot in my opninion.
Lol, wow! He actually said it sucks! If frame time is good, I would adjust settings to lower latency if it was high. They both seem to do very well.
brother. the mhz on the gpu weren't the same...amd system was at 2775mhz and the intel system was at 2670mhz... that's quite a bit higher... my i9-9900k at 4.97ghz all core, 8c 16t and dell 4090 stock 100% power limit, is at 2760mhz and sometimes even 2775mhz.
maybe pop the other 4090 in the intel system and see if the experiences changes?
So glad I went 9950X and didn’t hang out for the 285K. Absolute beast, even air cooled.
9800X3D ist besser für Gaming.
man i want to see these cpu with ps3 emulation
9950x is faster than 285k in both productivity and gaming, so it's a great choice for those who need the best productivity, but also like to game.
cant wait for all the 5090 content coming to the channel soon
Building a PC in the upright position: recipe for a potential fkup.
I have built thousands of PCs exactly like this.
@@GearSeekers Being in the industry for over 30 years, I personally found that its just inefficient, impractical and downright uncomfortable unless you elevate the workspace to head height which in itself is weird.
Yeah except that it's easier when it's upright. Like I said. Thousands of PCs lol
You used two different 4090 cards. That could be some of the difference. Not saying that’s all of it. Also the 285k hasn’t had years of microcode and software advancements. Maybe in time it will be closer.
If a product isn't up to scratch then you have to call it out, so don't be sorry! ps. Merry Christmas guys, hope you at least get a little break and thanks for all the great content this year.
5090 is about to drop and we still dont have CPU that can push the 4090 all the time lol
he cranked the settings its gpu limited tell him to do 1080p you will see the i9 get smocked badly
@@rapidoibliss6184 Man don’t nobody wanna see no 1080 game. 4K is where it’s at my guy.
@@MRwilliejoynergaming at 4k with a 4090 will not always get you 60 fps. With many AAA games, you will need to use upscaling, which renders at less than 4k. Depending on the fps you are after, you may even need to render at 1080p, to upscale to 4k. In that scenario, the AMD chip will be significantly faster, while Intel will likely bottleneck...
Well I guess you can fit the hydroshift in that case.. even though Lian Li has it listed as not compatible in the A3.
Depends on the motherboard.
Thanks for this well done video.
Great vid, and looks like you’re shedding some weight👍🏻
You knew before starting this vid the fps difference is negligible.
@@Gimpy17 yep, gpu is always the bottleneck, even on a 4090
The MKBHD reference was golden I had a good giggle there 😂
Would be interesting to see how much they improve this with bios/chipset drivers! Also i may have missed it if it was mentioned but did you test on the 24h2 build of windows 11? I believe they improved AMDs cpu performace at the windows level with that update as far back as the 5000 series
My 7800X 3D still whipping Intel's butt, no need in upgrading yet. Looks like it was a smart investment after all. Now if AMD will make the CU-Dimm stuff work at full speed but till then DDR5 is fast enough for me
maybe if you use an fps cap (to something that doesnt fluctuate) on the intel cpu it may improve the input latency. cause even with high fps and top line gear gameplay experience can suffer from detriments of a bottleneck in the system, and there is always a bottleneck cause it's just a spec that is a limiting factor for any current scenario
Have you done this with 14600/700/900k ? Wondering the differences between last gen intels. Put them up against each other!!
That GPU was NOT for a white build 😂
I do wonder how it will change after the windows update/final bios update touted for January.
here's something no one is thinking about the 14900k is on a 7nm architecture and is currently faster in many cases than the 285k however the 285k is using 3nm which tells me intel haven't got things right on the software side it should be capable of pulling less power and still easily be faster in all respects including gaming. Has to be a bios and driver related issue.
people forget why do anyone would buy a k overclockable processor ?
yep you guess it to overclock and tune it with high X.M.P speed on memory on high end boards that can handle and give you best of speed and stability if you know what are doing
ofc this gen isnt great for intel but it's a good start in right direction just like ryzen when it first came out
MB manufacturers should make x870m board
That MKBHD name drop 😂😭
Breaking news: Work CPU is bad at gaming
9950x3d coming to be the absolute goat for everything
Hi could you make an updated version with Intels latest improvements patch/BIOS they gave out? To see if their "fixes" for gaming actually did made a difference? Thanks in advance.
Can we agree to move away from shady percentages and just name exact FPS differences? 😂
That MKBHD roast was gold, even if it's just a little roast 🤣
And what a shame, for the money Intel is really not worth it anymore... might as well get the 265K now, since it only has 4 cores less, Efficiency Cores at that... if you absolutely must have Intel
there's not much of a difference at 4k.
Great video 🙂
Nicht geeignet ist das falsche Wort. Aber AMD ist besser, wenn es um Gaming geht. Intel ist besser für Anwendungen. Der 3D-Cache macht den Unterschied. Und so haben der 7800X3D und der 9800X3D nur 8 Kerne, was fürs Gaming völlig ausreicht, die mit dem schnellen Cache gefüttert werden.
exakt 👍
Stimmt, schade eigentlich, die Updates bringen eigentlich noch nix... wenn's um Performance geht für Intel...
😂😂😂 a workstation intel cpu puts out the same fps as a pure "gaming" amd cpu😂😂. Thats sad
It's not a workstation CPU
Wait, I thought this case does not have top AIO support because it's cropped at the top more so than other cases of this mold?
Right im not upgrading my 5800x3d until 4k gaming can be majorly affected by cpu performance.
At 12:00, what song/track is that?
He produces all his own music. Most likely the link to his music in the notes.
why is it impossible to read your overlay ? do native 4K, everyone does dlss. also i didnt see the watts on the intel cpu for comparison
"I'm not doing an MKBHD" - Nick 2024
Just discovered this channel and that part got me to instantly like the video
"I game at 4k and I only use cases that look good but offer no thermal management or air flow. Look how edgy I am!"
So, a couple of fps difference in practice, in a battle between a CPU that's specifically designed for games and one that isn't, and outperforms the gaming CPU by literally 2x to 3x in productivity. Notice how AMD fans act like 30% gaming difference (in theory, not practice) means the world, but 300% productivity performance is just glossed over and ignored.
Btw. - this is all done before Intel releases firmware and BIOS fixes, and before Windows releases updates optimized for the Intel Core Ultra CPU's, where they promise big gains.
The fanboy angle is over used. I like tech. I like the right tool for the job. A few months ago I switched from the 13700KF to the 7800X3D for gaming. This video is not about productivity. Its about playing the game that I play and the 285K right now is not good. It's a simple premise. I have a Threadripper for my actual work. I've been on Threadripper systems since it launched in 2017. BIOS fixes and waiting for an OS to get optimisations is the problem not the solution. I said the same thing when Ryzen 9000 launched. It was a hot mess.
So whats the intel cou for gaming?
with some update the intel core ultra ll perform about 15-20 percent more
When anyone says Scorptec I assume Clayton so got excited that we shop at the same store... but that's not Scorptec Clayton :(
Thats because I live in Sydney lol
@@GearSeekers yes I realise that now ಠಿ_ಠ
AMD made a better CPU than Intel ths year
....for gaming
Would be interesting to see how it compares to 9800x3d
The 98 is faster and but at 4K it barely makes a difference
It obliterates it in productivity with over 2x the performance at the same price and lower power use, and in games it's about 20% slower on 1080p, less than 5% slower on 4k. Point being, at 4K, you'll need to wait for at least 2 more generations of GPU's, and then buy the top model, to feel like any of these two CPU's is a bottleneck at 4k.
Hey bud, love the vid. Would it be possible to do a how to properly setup a 7800X3D? I have one but its not properly setup. Most people say to undervolt it. I dont know how to do that all
Dang, you all really do not like MKHD. 😮 Also, this CPU comparison is weird. Wouldn't one compare the 285k to the 9950x?
I dunno, doesn't seem that bad. I thought it was gonna get drubbed even worse.
with out dlls or fsr u can not see what cpu is better... Pointless to not use dlls upscaling to have higher fps by cpu.
The Resolution has nothing to do with the CPU!
Snappy boy 😂
285k should be compared to the 9950x anyway. This video is obviously loaded.
why?
Suck is a word people throw around very easily nowadays, especially AMD fanboys when they talk about Intel in any context because now Intel finally had some issues that AMD has always had. It's not a CPU that's focused on gaming even remotely, and it's still very, very good at it, among the best CPU's on the market regardless of price, even though purely for gaming 265k is pretty much just as good and cheaper, and equivalent to i7 14700k, plus/minus a few fps depending on the game. What it's ACTUALLY the best at is productivity, nothing at this price comes close to it. In fact, AMD doesn't have a single CPU that can match 285k's productivity and gaming performance at the same time. They have CPU's that barely beat it in gaming, by a far smaller difference than they let it out to be, but have 30%-40% of its performance in productivity. That's not very impressive. I'll take 90% of gaming performance and 200-250% productivity performance over any AMD x3D CPU for the same or similar price. Not to mention X3D CPU's are riddled with annoyances that fanboys gladly never talk about or just ignore on purpose, such as poor frame time stability, bad 1% low fps, so even games that supposedly run at very high fps often feel like they're stuttering and aren't perfectly fluid like on Intel systems that run the game at lower fps. I compared 7800x3d and 14700k, 7800x3d ran all games at 10-20% fps higher, looking at the number in my monitor corner. Actually playing the game without knowing the fps, I'd put my both hands into fire that games ran better, more responsive and fluid on the Intel system. Not to mention the complications of V-cache, the fact you need Xbox game center running to make it work properly and it doesn't work with all games, it sometimes just doesn't work reliably, and you start a game once and it runs perfectly, you start it next time and it works much worse, etc. So you're always anxious about whether the CPU is actually doing what it's supposed to or you have to restart the game.
It's just not a refined experience, never has been, AMD has always been a stuttering, lagging, inconsistent mess. Both their CPU's and their GPU's.
It sucks to see intel fail.. hope they get back to being compatitive nxt yr
I wonder how many people can afford a system to play "only 4K" and why would you spend tons of $$$ to play counter strike
I don't play counter strike
intel is not even in the cpu race anymore ... maybe they can do something in the mid to low range gpu section
Dead CPU should be versus the 9800 3D they are the same cPU years
Short answer no it does not it’s just not great value when 9800x3d does most, but not all, things better
Wieso nicht auf Deutsch ?
Put englisch in a trash German is the Future of Langues
Warum nicht auf Englisch? Dieser Kanal bzw. seine Betreiber sind aus Australien - wo man bekanntlich nicht Deutsch spricht.
@hanswurst2220 okay und warum benutzen die ne deutsche Überschrift?
Lol when Intel fun boys have to give it up
No "back to you Neek" in the ad read 😢
I'm a hardcore amd fan but it feels terrible to see there's no competition from intel. Monopoly is never a good thing for the masses.
Alternative title: Does GPU bottlenecking the shit out of a buggy dogshit CPU make it seem less like a bucket of ass?
Spoiler the result was worse than I thought. I never even thought that the Intel would feel so much worse with similar frame rates but here we are.
What's amazing is that usebenchmark gets flack for saying the truth. Genuinely Intel does have better 1% and 0.1% lows on even a 13600k vs a 9800x3d at 4k
Userbenchmark is not an accurate source of information. It never has been. It's a meme.
@GearSeekers That may be true but when you actually get into it a lot of what they say is true.
It's not
@@GearSeekers It is, bud!
he cranked the settings its gpu limited tell him to do 1080p you will see the i9 get smocked badly
Look at the title of the video
@ obviously even a i5 12600k can handle 4k cause its gpu bound
OF COURSE INTEL SUCKS !
Haha! AMD shill.
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