Cayman T Uppgrade - Öhlins Racing Road And Track | EP 086
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2019
- Öhlins Racing transformed my Porsche 718 Cayman T to a proper GT car. I was shocked by how much the chassis from Öhlins made an impact on the character of my car. I rest my case.
My Porsche Cayman T
Michelin Pilot Sport CUP 2 Track Connect
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Öhlins Racing Road and Track
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My Porsche Cayman T options:
Exterior Colour
0Q - White
Interior Colour
WS - Black standard interior
Exterior
712 - Deletion of model designation on doors
CAC - Rear side air intake grilles painted Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur
Engine, transmission and chassis
480 - 6-speed manual transmission
085 - 64-litre fuel tank
Wheels
433 - 20-inch Carrera S wheels
Comfort and assistance systems
454 - Cruise control
Interior
P11 - Full bucket seats
573 - Two-zone automatic climate control
583 - Smoking package
509 - Fire extinguisher
P7Z - Sports-look pedals and footrest
XSX - Guards Red seat belts Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur
Interior Leather
CFX - Personalised floor mats with leather edging Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur
Interior Alcantara®
EKL - GT sports steering wheel and gear lever Alcantara® Porsche Exclusive
Interior Aluminium
CXC - Personalised illuminated door sill guards in stainless steel Porsche Exclusive
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Had Ohlins on motorcycles and it's a night and day difference,impressive product.
It is and on my Cayman T it was a transformation to a GT-car.
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Same experience. When I fitted the Ohlins R&T to my e90M3 the car was totally transformed. I was dumbstruck ! Absolutely astounded at how much better the car felt. If you are going to modify your car a top quality set of coilovers will do more for the car than any other single modification. You have to do it in order to experience it. Should be the first modification anyone does to their car IMO :)
I agree Ziggy, best upgrade ever but please remember that the composer of the Art of Driving is the tiers.
Ziggy Freud Did you keep standard alignment? What damper settings did you go for?
@@Franzino I was intending to use the car as a daily driver come track car but I bought a GT3RS and use the M3 as my daily. I eventually put the car back to standard alignment as I was destroying front tyres. I have an extra 0.5 degrees of neg camber on the front. I run the Ohlins at 13 clicks. That might still be too firm for some for a daily but I like a responsive car - response > comfort :) The few times that I did track it I had the dampers on 3 clicks all around - the track surface is very smooth. When I was tarting up the car I should have gone straight to quality coilovers but I tried some Eibach springs first - they were good but if the coilovers are within the budget range do that. Most amazing transformation ever. Coilovers and some racing rotors and pads will give you 95% of the NA cars ability - money well spent imo - happy modding.
Haha great! Reminds me on the day I got my first Öhlins Road & Track in a 2008 Miata. This was by far the biggest improvement from a mod I've ever done to a car. Its just that good. Enjoy it!
It was a huge experience. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Your expression says it all! ❤️
Loved this - in the middle of planning Öhlins R&T for my Cayman R. Great video just got me a whole lot more excited.
Nothing in comparison when you have fitted the R&T. Take care :-)
When you first mentioned that the next clip is embarrassing I totally thought you were gonna elude to a crash. Glad you’re enjoying the coilovers!
Nock on wood...
It was a great moment in my driving experience.
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Absolute best I’ve ever experienced*. Total transformation. (*Motorcycles only so far!!)
Love your Avatar Ducati man ;-) believe it or not but the change is amazing. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
I just ordered a set of Ohlins R&T for my 993 should arrive from Europe next week so excited
Great review! I keep hearing rumors of the new 4ltr GT4 engine possibly being used in other Porsches. If they put that engine in a different Cayman, I will absolutely sell my 991.2 and buy one! I loved my 981 Cayman and can only imagine it with the NA 4 liter engine. Since the new GT4 won’t be a “limited” edition, I can’t imagine they would have developed that engine only for that one car. We’ll see what happens. Another wonderful video, Janko!
It will arrive to more models in the the future, but remember it’s a heavy engine.
Living the dream Janko !
Driving a Porsche is always a dream.
@@JankoLind we are both living the dream Janko
Man, awesome video, I was already going to get Ohlins for my 996tt x50, now you have just made me have to suffer until I can afford to buy them :) Thanks for making this awesome production. good work!
Thanks and congratulations to your 911. Öhlins Racing is worth waiting for. Perhaps you have honoured me with your subscription
Brilliant video .... just looking at teh KWV3 vs Ohlins R&T for my 996 Carrera and i must say, your video is very very compelling in Ohlins favour. Thank you!
You have some cool and unique tshirts. I call it, the art of tshirts
LOL, I like my t-shirts, I'm not a fancy guy like it to be simple and if the T-shirt is motor-related i'm always on.
Very interesting, Janko! Thanks for sharing! Makes me feel better that you are willing to toss the PASM because I don’t have it in my Cayman 981 GTS. I have the permanent X73 Sport Suspension and I am always wondering how PASM would have been.
Anyway, 1975 is a great year to be born! We are the same age! 👍🏻😀
Hi Timo, if I was you I would consider installing a Road and Track chassis, it will make the difference.
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Fasen, saknar dina videos Janko! 😊
Great video
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The Öhlins that come standard with my V60 Polestar transform a heavy mundane station wagon that meanders and teeters between understeer and oversteer and struggles to maintain a cornering line into a super stable, planted and always-unfazed track weapon… the Öhlins effect is real 🤷🏻♂️
Every time I get a loaner base model sedan without the Öhlins I get into serious trouble because of the amount of secondary body motion and pitch and roll… not every driver needs or appreciates the need for such stability but there’s a reason certain AMG Black Series cars come equipped with Öhlins and why Audi RS5 competition gets KW dampers… you can’t beat the impressive valving on a well-sorted set of coilovers… or at least Bosch doesn’t want you to think that when it puts its electronically adjustable dampers in every car…
Only dampers more impressive than these is the multimatic spool valve dampers such as those equipped on the ZL1 1LE 👀
75, great year! 8)
Agree, thanks for watching and subscribing.
Again the dampers are great and worth it specially at the track but dont be expecting the full range of clicks to be useful. I spent the time to dyno them. My recommendation is that for any any aftermarket damper you get run a dyno on them to really understand what the adjustment is providing .... they are normally called click run.
Well presented, first video of yours I've watched, well impressed.
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Amazing review. It's always fun to watch your videos and your passion for Porsche. Can you explain a bit about the change in 24 modes? Isn't it difficult to bend under the car and change? What is the range between 1-24 how is the effect?
Love the vid Janko!!
words are not necessary, your raw emotions are better that 1000 words :)
Ohlins would be the top of the list to add to my 718 CS
Two questions;
- Are you using camber plates on the front struts?
- Ohlins specify a range for 'track' settings; did it take much experimenting to find best setting?
I'm not using camber plates, it is stock. No it did not take me long time to find my settings. on the B-rod I use 10 klick, on the track between 4-7 klick and long rides 20 klick.
3:20 great save
thanks
So in other words, buy Ohlin's suspension haha. Got it! Planning on it this year!
Exactly my point!
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Oh no now im considering getting a set for my Carrera T
It’s nothing to take under considering, just buy it!
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This week I purchased the Ohlins R&T for my '09 987.2 base and will have them installed in a couple of months. It's a very expensive upgrade, and I have been questioning the wisdom of my purchase. This video has reassured me that I won't be sorry about my decision.
How did it go with the upgrade?
@@martinmendiolamm very well, though I’ve really only gotten to play with it in a limited way (a freeway cloverleaf that is-miraculously-set up so that you can do four loops rapid-fire). The car is much better on/in city potholes. I have it set firm, but not too firm (daily driver, no plans to track the car). Was going to test it out next month on Tail of the Dragon in Tennessee, but change of plans may take me to Colorado instead. So the true reveal of whether or not the R&Ts were worth it might have to wait.
Great video, thank you very much. Love your Cayman as well! I was/am considering these Ohlins R&T for my 997.1 S X51, but I'm not sure how they will influence comfort / ride quality on the road, because I drive on road mostly (like, 99.9% of the time). Would you care to share some more thoughts on this setup for street usage? Perhaps I should add that currently I'm riding on old/somewhat worn M030 sport suspension (non-PASM, 20mm lowered and stiffer springs) which was installed in the factory back in 2006. I find it a bit harsh and jittery. Hence looking to overhaul.
I've done almost 7000 km on normal roads with Road and Track and you would be surprised how comfortable they are with a 20 klick set up. BUT you need to take potholes out of the equation and harsh bridge brackets. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
Dude! No need to be embarrassed about the emotions. Sometimes they are explanation enough! Also, you’re going to be disappointed in me with my choice in coilover... 😂😂😂 much love.
You need to upgrade your upgrade... I've viewed your video...
We may have to agree to disagree this time Mr Lind 😁
Janko, you’re Cayman T is awesome! Please clarify these Ohlins r&t upgrade eliminates PASM? Would this be worth doing as a non tracked but spirited B road 987.1 cs driver? Thanks have a good one
The Ohlins are pretty good and certainly great improvement over stock specially when tracking the car. But there is drawback by using same valve to adjust compression and rebound .... the rebound increases exponentially specially close to 10 clicks from full stiff. At this point rebound is excessive and useless....in order words the useful adjustment is only ~ 10 clicks from soft.
I'm not sure I agree 100%, from a technical perspective I agree. But in live use it works for me.
First video of yours ive watched and its great! Im looking at r&t for my m2 and i think this video has convinced me. If they live up to the hype maybe ill subscribe;)
For me, I have a new subscriber, you will not be disappointed.
Same brought here by research for my M2
Peter Wood Same here; bought a Öhlins road & track for my M2 last week...
@@Franzino Cool man - love the car - honestly would be my choice in the "affordable" sports range - do u have non adjustable suspension on the car ?
@@ziggyfreud5357 me too! The evo test with Megane RS is very very good
Janko, interested to hear how the car feels day to day compared to the PASM stock dampers. Glad you are happy. What sort of lap time improvements have you achieved
More to come in future videos, spoiler alerts the R&T increases the comport and I have tested all modes.
Loved your reaction in your first drive 😆 Now I have to upgrade my S! Are you going to upgrade any other bits, e.g brakes?
Hi Richard, there are more videos to come :-) and perhaps you have viewed my first upgrade to Michelin Track Connect. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
I just ordered a Cayman T last week, and yes it’s after watching your video as a reference. I have a Toyota 86 and also married it with ohlins DFV. I admit it’s a huge change compared with stock suspension(which is prone to oversteer a lot). However I wonder how much better ohlins DFV compared to porsche sport suspension. Porsche is said to be the best chassis maker after all. Is ohlins DFV firmer? Has ohlins engineer changed the alignment?
It is a huge difference compared to the PASM. I have not driven a Toyota but the Cayman T jumps up, for me at least, to GT level.
Great video!
Do you know how much the car was lowered vs stock after you installed the Ohlins?
yes from the 718 Base model 30mm and 10mm from the stock Cayman T
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Nice Janko - thumbs up! But the 718 is more of a 981.2 and hence based on 991, rather than 992, right?
Hi Erik,
The 718 is built on the MMB platform. It is the same as the 992. the Boxster 981 and Cayman 981 was not based on the same platform and it was too expensive to make a facelift. Therefore the 718 is much more based on the 992 rather than the 991. We will have the facelift of the 718 next year. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Janko, the car is looking great! I would love to do this to my 991.2 gts but ill have to wait until I'm done putting the money aside for an exhaust before I can even start saving for dampers..after this, I don't know what upgrade to get 1st?
Don't through your money on exhaust until you have upgraded the chassis. YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT.
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@@JankoLind thank you Janko, I will take your advice with great consideration.
Hello, have you fitted Ohlins R&T coilovers then? I'm planing to do cooilover upgrade on my 991.2 gts and need some feedback...
Thank you
Great vid
Question
Lap time difference oem vs Ohlins?
faster, much faster :-)
I own a 991.2 GTS. Does it interfere with PDCC, Front lift, Pasm, RAS?
You need to pick the right product. On certain models there is limitations and for some a special designed product.
Hello Janko.. I have a 987.2 manual 2.9 Cayman and have fitted R springs with Bilstein dampers. Please could you tell me how your 981 feels on the road ie Comfort and how it absorbs small bumps. I have the B8 dampers and you can feel every little bump on rough roads but feels super smooth on good roads.. Many thanks from the UK.
This is the party peace, I have BETTER comfort with the Öhlines chassis compared to standard PASM in comfort mode. BUT I'm taking potholes out of the equation.
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@@JankoLind Thanks, I meant 987.2 of course which I have now corrected :-)
Can the Ohlins be set softer than stock? I drive my 987 in the winter sometimes and it would be nice to go softer when it's sub freezing temperatures.
Just adjust it to the softest setting and perhaps rase the car 1 cm
How much is the car lowered over the stock ride height (guess yours is a PASM setup 10mm drop over stock) ?
the stock PASM drops the car 20 mm, Öhlines Road and Track drops it 10 mm extra, in total 30 mm. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
PASM is 10mm drop. Sport PASM is 20mm. S with PASM and PVT is a beast on the track and kitten on the road
... and you will make the car much better if you lose the PASM and fit Öhlins Road and Track. Thanks for watching.
@@JankoLind I had mixed thoughts about my Ohlin R/T's I got for my 2016 M3. While the damping was AMAZING, I found for the street under the bigger bumps and dips in the freeway, it would launch my head into the headliner on the rebound stroke. It would also activate the traction control system on said large bumps at speed. I played with all click settings and maybe they just had too high a spring rate, but I wasn't impressed as I should have been for the money spent. Maybe they did a better job on the Porsche line-up, but for the F80 M3 platform, it was too harsh for daily driving when you hit the bigger bumps.
TRZ0612 do you think that the performance gained on a f82/f80, if any, is worth the price of the setup? Would you have left the m3 stock in retrospect?
Brian Yue it was definitely worth it from a chassis control and rear-end control standpoint. That was the reason I bought them in the first place.
BMW did a HORRIBLE job tuning the stock shocks. The lack of rebound control was embarrassing for a //M product.
I was stuck in the M3 on a 3 year lease, so I did it to not hate the car for 3 years.
If I had to do it again , I would do it and experiment with different spring rates. That option wasn’t available when I got mine as Ohlin had just released them and there was no spring rate options.
Although if I knew what I know now, I would have skipped the F series M3 all together, as that was only one of many issues I had with it.
From 2 adjustments to 24 ? why do you need that many ? Great quality video.
You don’t have to compromise as much between comfort and sport.
@@JankoLind not only that, it widens this further and even at a softer setting is more composed in my experience (less compromise, put simplely). I personally can't buy from another company. Make a video of your thoughts after trying it out more Janko.
It is looking different top mount with POS MP80 kit ? Ohlins can be offer it ?
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Hello Brother, I’m torn between configuring a T with PASM 20 or a base and add OHLINS. This is going to be a street daily. After the OHLINS install, the prices will be equal. I can’t afford to add OHLINS to a T.
Also, what are the part numbers?
Cheers. Rick
PTW is as important, but go for a base with Öhlins
Anything to consider for my Carrera T? Is your Cayman T really 1430kg? Is that small car heavier than the Carrera T at 1420kg (mine)? But then again I’m 10kg heavier than you...
No that was stock with a 75 kg passenger and 50% full tank. Dry weight is close to 1300 kg It is minim 100 kg lighter than the Carrera T. The 718 Cayman T feels also much lighter than the T, but the Carrera T has much more frust.
Lol Janko. Thank you
Well thanks for watching.
Hello, if i dont want to lower too much? 15mm?
I belive you should start with the Öhlins recomended hights and then test it out. You will be suppriced.
Forgot to ask, which 718 should I configure, T or base with OHLINS.
T with Öhlins!
But if not then base with PTW and Öhlins!
Go sweden! Now i have to check if they have dampeners for my 911SC!
Hi Roger, I believe they have. Thanks for watching
@@JankoLind according to their website, nope :(
www.ohlins.com/product/kit-systems-bespoke-damper-solutions/
Thanks, Rade for your help, I hope Roger go ahead and purchase the damper kit, he will not a disappointment.
@@radecatovic8333 Nice! I just ordered 21+28mm torsion bars so will mount those first and check how they perform on my bilstein sport. If i'm not happy i know where to go :)
How did these Ohlins cope with winter salt and all other dirt on the road during the winter? Asuming tha you were using the Cayman during the last winter.
I have not used it in the winter time.
Janko , what happened to specing the 718 Spyder ???
I have produced it not edit it.
@@JankoLind Great , looking forward to it , I will need to spec mine soon , hopefully 😉
Would you recommend using these coilovers for a daily driver with no track days
YES, taking potholes out of the equation it increases the comfort level. If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
@@JankoLind Thanks. I have 2018 Mustang GT. Stock suspension leaves a lot to be desired
What happens with potholes
Peter Wood it’s a harder ride in comparison to stock.
That Swedish Gold... 👍 SS
It’s amazing what Öhlins do with the car, only changing dampers.
Totally agreed! I've never not had Öhlins on my bikes, like others here. Never a regret. Contemplated it for my autos. This is lowering my resistance! Thanks, J!
I put on my f80 and think the same
what is the list price for this set of shocks ?
More than you can afford, pal... Ferrari.
Anson Lau thanks for the smart note
Hi Robert,
Thank you for your reply. It is a valid question since it has nothing to do with your bank account ;-) What's important is if it gives value for money. I don´t know the prices over the world, but my best guess is 3 -5000 USD but never the less, its worth every penny. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Janko Lind it’s sounds reasonable... i was expecting more, thanks Janko !
www.ohlinsusa.com/parts/2017-2018-porsche-718-boxster-982-auto-rt-pos-mp80?make=porsche&model=718-cayman-982
Address the Swedish culture, quite modest. Lol
Well it is ;-)
$9300 for a GT4 , ouch.
Hi Mike, I’m sorry, but I do not understand you comment...
@Janko Lind I looked up the Ohlins suspension price for my GT4 and they are very expensive, $9300 US. I have not felt any need for better dampening during my summer track weekend events. I did upgrade to Ohlins on a Miata I used to own years ago and It truly was a night and day change from stock. Ohlins are excellent. The biggest modifications I have seen from GT4 owners are 19" wheel size change with 265 front tires to eliminate understeer. Personally I am perfectly happy with my car being stock since I still have to improve on my driving skills before I start modifying the car. The GT4 is a fantastic automobile. Your 718 T looks awesome too, I understand your excitement. Anyways, imagine a 981 GT4 with 265 front tires, Ohlins and a Dundon D4 engine package, wow.
3595 USD for the DFV for GT4, 9300 USD for the TTX46 dampers the same as used for touringcar racingDFV:www.ohlinsusa.com/parts/2016-2017-porsche-981-cayman-gt4-auto-rt-poz-mr90?make=porsche&model=981-cayman-gt4TTX46:www.ohlins.eu/en/products/packages/porsche-cayman-gt4-981-complete--61//
Cayman T? T, wtf are you talking about?
The over used constantly regurgitated lame and meaningless saying that manual gearboxes are so much more engaging is almost as gay as saying epic. PDK's are far superior for fastest lap times, flawless shifts and your hand never leaves the steering wheel. There's a reason F1 cars use paddle shifts. If you want something to grab and be engaged when you drive try becoming a better, faster driver.
I guess nobody has claimed that a manual is faster than a PDK, its just more fun to drive.
@@JankoLind Subjective and strange you get pleasure from holding a shaft in your hand LMAO!
Great video
Thanks, Peter, Appreciate all the time you spent on my channel.