LONG TERM Deca Use / Nandrolone For TRT HRT - Addition of Deca to HRT
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Vigorous Steve's opinion on LONG TERM Deca use. Is nandrolone dangerous long term?
Should one consider testosterone AND Deca for HRT?
Steve explains the benefits of the Addition of Deca to HRT,
and the possible protocols when you want to use Nandrolone For TRT HRT.
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Victorious Steve on the channel , NICE!,
Military guy with a back injury here. Can confirm. No supplement or meds truly gets rid of that shit, but the Nandrolone definitely makes a difference.
Thanks for sharing!
what dose/stack I'm interested and coming back fromf biceps tenodesis surgery
@@glasssteagall3400 AND SINCE YOU TAKE ONLY 100 mg of deca ,,, are your erections as strong as before ?
@@glasssteagall3400deca and eq together lol smh
dosage? side effects?
Thanks for this Steven and Steve. Steve, very clear and honest answer which made we rethink Nandrolone.
Glad you enjoyed it
nandrolone is also prescribed for burns treatment. it has benn also included in some modern protocols to treat psoriasis!
Wow that's great because I have severe Psoriasis . Thank you
Toujours extrêmement instructif... une vidéo générale en français serait envisageable ?
I was searching about nandrolone now. Cool! 😊
I don’t take 100mgs deca will enlarge the heart.
That happens at 600-800 aka miss abuse
I broke my back deadlifting and had two spinal fusions. I frequently use var and deca for pain AND healing. The two together work. I take zero pain meds. Totally against pain meds. The combo of var and deca with T, work for me.
@jeremyreevessicg2218 Thank you for sharing!
@@TRTandHormoneOptimization absolutely!
Man anavar makes my pain worse ! I’m glad it works for you . For me I just raise my dose of Test to 400 and my joints are good to go
did you just try deca and t alone...what does the anavar do you for?
I’m pessimistic about collagen supplements because collagen is a protein that is synthesized naturally by the body and not sourced externally. When swallowed it will simply be converted and absorbed like any other proteins
I believe it’s in the placebo supplement category, along with biotin and keratin
Good info.good education on these topics is necessary.
Thanks for watching
I spoke to a urologist about test trt and she said there is no health side effect of it. She did inform that testicles would shrink and maybe disappear completely.
If there were health risks they eouldnt give it to women that want to becom men ect.
Think if a person has high natural test and someone has low test and requires a shot to get to the level of the natural guy you really think ther will be a health risk !
I take Test/Deca/Masteron. Masteron counters the Deca side effects so that your body still produces DHT. If using Deca/NPP make to add a DHT derivative.
👏🏻👏🏻
do you mean that you take these on a cure or on long term ?
I tried a Test/Masterson stack and my blood pressure was very high.
That way your estradiol will zero even faster, since Nandrolone does not aromatize and masteron aggravates this decrease.
Did you measure your e2 recently?
@@Gustavo-pp2pd No but I will soon. I'm also about to start running Proviron which can worsen the effect of having too low e2. Right now I'm blasting pretty good so I'll pull bloods in a few weeks. Feel great though as of right now.
Super interesting. Great info and answers a lot of questions I had. Thanks
he is totaly misleading! one of the direct prescriptions for nandrolone is burns treatment. and it really does stimulate collagen creation. water retaining its side effect which, perhaps, can be avoided by using the therapic dozes.
This is excellent! 😎
Thanks! 😃
Thanks for the videos
Boswellia!!! I tried it for my shoulder after you mentioned it Steve. Definitely an improvement. Another good tip from you was DHEA alongside Pregnenalone for brain fog. Thanks! 👍
@joestuddley , Thank *you* for watching and *commenting* !!👍
Great video, however we all do not have access to guaranteed pharma grade Primo. Nor do we know the long term effects of Primo stacked with Test.
yea primo is basically dht derivative. Not so healthy for the prostate and most people get insane hair loss from it. Nandrolone is hair safe, prostate safe, in studies its liver and heart safe. Also kidney safe (is bp is perfect). But i have to agree, nandrolone makes you feel a certain way, like a lone wolf. You dont need social contacts and you have zero tolerance to bullshit
@@moakbar4732 How long after taking nandrolone do you notice the mental sides?
I’ve been on TRT + ND for over 1 year. 2:1 ratio. I think the Nandrolone helps but nothing overly noticeable. My joints still always hurt, however, no side effects either so I keep taking it.
Probably taking it way to low if your joints are still hurting. People usually take 100-200mg for joint pain
@@nidz1873 I’m at 100/week. Never tried anything higher or lower. I’ll bring it up next time I talk to Dr.
@@scott2228 it could be your oral
@@scott2228 Any update?
@@alperenylmaz1344 I stop taking it about a month ago. Never found it beneficial regardless of the dosage. And it was Dr prescribed so I know it wasn’t fake internet junk. Stopped bc joints finally hurt so much I’m taking September off from lifting weights. I need to ease up in the gym. I lift too aggressively for a 46 year old.
My doctor has me on 100/week + TRT. Joints feel good and have had no problems. Next labs will instruct if any changes are needed.
Great Doctor
I think it was the testeronologist utube dr guy. He supposedly had a ot who was on long term deca only for i think like a decade. His blood work and CAC i think were all good. He was more looking into the fertility side of things. Its only one person's experience but interesting.
I take .6 mg/week deca with my trt,, I have major issues with my shoulder, the deca hasn't healed it but the pain & clicking is gone,
0.6ml /250 per ml u mean?
@@OGAesthetics I think that's what it is. I don't have the bottle in front of me.
@@BillyJ10 sounds like a good dose.
And....
Steve doesn't like nandralones mental effects for him
It is my understanding (from videos on this channel) that nandralone along with test acts as an anti-innflamitory in the bowel which is my draw to both
I've been taking nandrolone for around two years 100 mg a week with 100 mg test. I recently tried to stop taking it but my back hurts too bad when I'm not taking it so I started taking it again.
Thx for sharing!
Why did you try to stop
@@lakeforkgiants Because I felt I needed to take a break from it because of the effects I've heard it has on your heart. I'm still taking it though.
Devilution good to know! Other than that fear, how have you liked it? I know you took for pain, but did you notice more strength or muscle?
@@lakeforkgiants I gained a good bit of muscle when I first started it. To be honest, I cannot really build much more muscle no matter what I take. I'm currently taking more NPP than deca and I don't really gain much as far as strength or muscle but I got very shitty genetics. I'm gonna try superdrol tomorrow. It is definitely a good compound to utilize.
Steve looking gd man..how much Collagen Supplementation do you take a day?
and, BTW is there any studies that prooves boswelia is really good for joints? i doubt, since it is just a dietary supplement.
I try deca at 100 mg.. it is good for the joints.. but i dont like the Feeling on it.. I get depres and annyoded irbilitet.. so i cant jus it.. I am on trt..
Thanks for sharing!!
i wander now when we talk about deca !! what was your maximum dose ??
i never hawe problems with deca .... you ??
What's the name of the extract mentioned for inflammation?
Boswellia Extract
@@VigorousSteve thanks steve. Cupoon karp😉
@@VigorousSteve What brand of boswellia have you found works? I tried the expensive Thorne brand after failing with NOW and it failed dismally. No reduction in inflammation whatsoever.
What's the name of that supplement that Steve mentioned?
Anyone had good success with collagen supps eg meniscus tear or osteoarthritis? Ive used glucosamine off and on for years but i cant really tell.
try adding MSM
@@GroentjeBE
Cheers . Will add it to the stack👍
You should consider getting PRP done, I get it every 4 months for my shoulder arthritis from heavy benching in the past
@@ludobmw540i im looking into it. Its only just starting off in Australia. Its hard to get a price on these things too. Ive heard $300 here but heard one can get it cheaper
Unfortunately not. I've tried a lot of collagen supplements over the past 3 years and none have helped. I'm about to quit taking it now. MSM was also useless for me.
What other anabólics can be stacked with TRT other than DECA?
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Alot of people also use
Low dose primo.
Like 100-200 with HRT.
@@br4d048 or masteron if you can’t afford primo
Well anything really , some have even micro-dosed Tren on TRT , in fact some ongoing studies suggest Tren might be BETTER than solely test for trt
My testosterone protocol was Test Enanthate 16mg/ED. No AI. I added deca for 10 weeks straight at 50mg/week. (Pinning once a week). But even at such a low dose it screwed my prolactin levels. I experienced ED too. So i stopped and m back to normal. I guess one should be really careful with deca.
Were you positive your test was the real deal that might have been the reason...just asking.Never heard E every other day btw.
@@jackzapp57 i use only the pharmaceutical grade test and deca. Here in my country its super cheap and can get without a prescription. I couldn’t find the prop Test with my chemist. So stuck with the E.
Ask him for Masteron. Masteron is better then the primo
Risk vs Reward. Like every drug. Dr Rand has a video of long term deca use.
He's the best out there otherwise he wouldn't be on JayTV...
Rand basically says just be proactive with the heart/cholesterol and liver issues. Choline inositol for the liver and time released niacin and/or red yeast rice for the cholesterol.
@@kevinmoore5206 sound advice right there
Losartan has been shown in the rat studies to offset the negative effects on the heart caused by Nandrolone. Telmisartan is probably even better.
HOW do u jump to the conclusion that telmisartan is better ?
@@jaimenazaryan860 It has the longest half life and has been shown to effectively inhibit the ACE enzyme
Going to try deca at some point, I tried masteron but would it give a false positive on total t? Added 200mg mast enanthate a week to 200mg test e a week, total t usually around 900, with mast it went to 3000? My initial thought was its test labeled up as masteron but No ridiculous water retention/weight gain and strengh stayed the same etc and very vascular.
No it was masteron and thats why I love it. It frees up testosterone and lowers estrogen.
When you did the mast e were you already low bf %? I just started mast e 200mg npp 150mg and test e 300mg
I love Nandralone. Heart enlargement?
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I have deca max 300mg in 1ml. Can I start with 0.5ml to see how I feel ?
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@Yellow Zoloft I'm only into weight lose and work out 3 time a week. I have arthritis in shoulder and lower back pain. 300mg of deca would mean 600mg of test a week and that's a bit too high. I shoot 250mg of test and my testosterone level is over 2100 Ng
@@MartinTeerly the whole ratio thing is a myth man, you gotta try different numbers to see what works for you- I’m on the same journey right now
If you’re not looking at running a cycle and just looking for joint relief always start low…if there’s no sides increase it. The lowest dose to treat the issue. Even with a cycle, something like deca is not something you want to just blast right off the bat. 19-nors are not a joke, lots of crazy negative sides. Furthermore deca is a long acting ester and can take a month or longer to get out of your blood. Imagine dealing with depression and deca dick for a month.
@@semyono11783 depression doesn't exist my friend 🤣🤣
So much better here without Danny
XD
Fix joint issues with collagen supplements, really? This is not only bullshit but highly irresponsible as there's nothing concretely conclusive to show this.
" there's nothing concretely conclusive to show this." - No offense but you should keep looking.
@@nn-dj2nu He's absolutely right collagen products are a rip off!
@@petercsigo9935 "No offense but you should keep looking." same to you
@@nn-dj2nu ignorant
@@petercsigo9935 waste of time
Primo is usually faked.
Depends on your UGL
Will trt doctors prescribe primo tho?
No.
Do they prescribe Tren?
This guy's comments are so redundant...
Decca has been shown to be neuro-toxic
Every steroid that doesnt convert to Estradiol is toxic to The heart and nervosa system
That has only been shown in rodent studies where they were given only nandrolone. Nandrolone crashes estrogen levels if not taken with testosterone or estrogen. Estrogen is Neuro protective. So given you keep estrogen levels favorable(like you should be doing in any health or hormonal endeavor) you SHOULDN'T experience neurotoxicity. But there are no studies on this that I have found.
@@Mikaeel84 thank you for sharing this pal, appreciated
You don't need no study lol for that all you have to do is research and contact a few doctors who's been treating their patients with nandrolone for very successfully and hardly any side effects for 10 15 20 years do your homework.Don't ask the steroid guru only a doctor can answer other words he's not qualified to answer that question.
Yeah, sure. Don't ask. That's great advice. Try getting a hold of absurdly busy specialists instead.
Is this guy dead
what made u tink that?
Steve? No.
Long term use is not very wise.
Once you add any Deca, its no longer trt because you will shut down
TRT shuts down the own production as well. No?
Pretty much any endogenous androgen will “shut you down”. Nandrolone (Deca) is a 19-Nor derivative of testosterone. It doesn’t aromatise into DHT or oestrogen (both of which you want a healthy amount of) which is why you’ll usually not want to run it by itself, but adding Nandrolone is very common in TRT
This comment makes no sense. If you're using TRT it's because you're already "shut down" 🤦🏻♂️