Snapped Crankshaft After Only 40000 Miles / S4-Ep13
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2023
- Not a big surprise for Land Rover drivers: The crankshaft snapped after only 64000 km (40000 Miles) on the SDV6 3.0L Diesel. Land Rover repair cost: 28000 Euro. In this episode we tear down the engine and show the full debacle of this Ford-Made engine.
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Christian is lucky man to have such a great companion with Vera 😉
And it's a decent living too
@@sweetfreedomGB ???
@@squareyesj7170 I meant that they work well together whilst they are earning a good living from it...a lucky couple
Yes they are a great couple. 😉
A great family too.👍👍
Conversely Vera is lucky to have a great 'buddy' in Christian, in other words folks, they are ( in my vote ) the best Couple on You Tube, at least right up there with Melissa and Mike! :)
A 2 minute video for a school project for my kid takes hours. I really, really, really appreciate the time and work you put in making these videos. Thank you.
The previous owner will love this video series, knowing now that the engine and rest of the vehicle will be loved.
He'd just paid it off, bought new tires and took really good care if it but the crankshaft snapped anyway just outside the warranty. It sounds like Land Rover shrugged it off and told him to suck it up. If I was the previous owner, it would sure take me a while to want to be reminded of the experience.
This guy is a naturally gifted all round engineer! Makes complicated things look so easy. Keep up the good work. Love the content you put out to help others. ❤
Practice!
Really interesting video During my early careerat Jaguar, I was the Quality Engineer commissioning the machine tools on the V12 & AJ6 crankshaft machining line at the Jaguar Radford Engine plant in Coventry. I very much remember the discussions that we had concerning the radii of the main journals & how they were machined. The grinding wheels had the radius on each side of the wheel and it was extremely important that when the grinding wheel was 'dressed' the radii was also dressed onto the wheel. If this wasn't done correctly, an edge could be formed on the crankshaft rather than the smooth radius. The edge could then lead to a stress fracture during the engine being run.
I wonder if this is something that could have led to the failure on this Ford manufactured engine?
After Christian proved the snapped crank diagnosis I had similar thoughts around the crank bore alignment and brittle fatigue. But a stress raise fracture would produce a very similar result. I am somewhat incredulous towards Ford and their engine design engineers for not rectifying this "design fault" after so many years. It is a good engine apart from this issue and the placement position of the map sensor!
Ford now must have fixedly it, as the 3.0 power stroke engine seems to be ok with the crank issue....
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Don’t bet your house on it. After finally and quietly admitting there was an issue, it was promised several times that they had made production modifications that sorted it. Failures in newer versions persisted at an unabated rate.
@@hedydd2 if so there are gonna be a lot of pissed people, because this engine has been released in the new Ranger/Everest..... Lol
@@4fourjaw
Yes, they are just appearing on the new Ranger at dealers now. Personally I would not pay the extra for it over the twin turbo four cylinder as long as that also had the option of full-time 4wd with a low range rather than the basic part time system.
Christian, you are the € 28,000 per job mechanic.Not that I'd wish you such complex ones all the time, but the fact that dove right in tells a lot. Bravo!
Every week I learn so much more from these vids rather than the Facebook groups with some of the ‘know it alls’ who can’t even string a proper sentence together. Thanks Christian & Vera 🙌🏼👊🏼
So much for my diagnosis of a snapped belt then! However a snapped crank at that mileage should have been replaced FOC by Land Rover - it’s not fit for purpose, whatever BS justification they offer up.
Great video as always - makes my Sunday afternoon 😊
I like waking up Sunday mornings knowing there's a new LR Time video. Thanks for doing what you do
These are the only longer form videos on UA-cam that I watch from beginning to end. The fact that I love the way that these two interact with one and other, that I own a 2015 Disco 4 HSE Lux (62k miles), and am waiting for the crankshaft to snap might have something to do with it lolzzz.
Apparently the later discovery 4 like yours had stronger cranks
@@karlsanderson8127 I'm sure that the Disco in this video is a later D4.
There we go again. 'Apparently' means you're just repeating another piece of misinformation. Sorry to be rude but it doesn't help others, we need facts when faced with these issues. A family member had a 2017 D4 which broke its crank in 2022. He had to fight LR hard when claiming a commercial gesture towards the repair (out of warranty obviously) which required him to be knowledgeable, precise & articulate
Search Project Binky. You thank me later.
Awesome job as always. I really hope the owner can buy it back when finished. I’m sure they’re still hurting from this. Once you and Vera work your magic it’s gonna be a great engine.
I think the owner has bought a toyota and no longer wants expensive surprises in life
@@amghammer2118 😂😂
You guys have amazing patience , your personalities shine through . Great show thank you
You Sir, are outstanding! I love your attention to detail. Vera, you too are outstanding (and funny). Top work from both of you. Fantastic video.
Fabulous detective work by both of you. It will turn out to be another perfectly performing engine. Cheers. 👍🏻🙏🙈
I knew it was Steve at the foundry forge! He always turned down the temperature down when he worked late in 2016 as they were trying for a baby!
Yes and Lisa just turned 7 now. Lol. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian 🤭
Very nice to see you and your wife working together. Much respect !!! 🇨🇦
Just stumbled across this channel by chance. It’s brilliant! I love the interplay between the two presenters, it’s like watching a beautiful dance.
Thank you for your efforts Christian and Vera.
Bringing a Disco back to life - Perfect. This is excellent content and essential viewing for Landy owners. Keep up the great work, Vera and Christian.
Brilliant job, love the detail you put into the video. Good luck with the rebuild.
Christian's tenacity is 2nd to none. Vera is an excellent assistant too☺️👍
I wish I had a neighbour like Christian to ask advice on vehicle repairs 🙂👍
What an over-complicated, expensive engine. I love my disco 2 v8 . Great job Christian.
Yes, it’s terrifying. Hope we get it to run or we are out of money for quite some time. Christian
The 3.5 V8 petrol gives 180hp. This 3.0 V6 gives 256hp. That extra HP from fewer CC needs all that complication.
@@DiscoGruffalo Do you need all that HP. The traction control just kicks in limiting the power. Like Christian says it's just a mall crawler. The diesel does not work here at our high altitudes, 4000 meters and extremely cold temperatures of -25.
The old v8 does the job well.
I love these videos. My mechanic talks up changing the break discs on my discovery and here you are stripping down the engine on cardboard after a full day at work. Well done to you both. I do hope this runs again!
'brake'
@@wigs1098 Because your mechanic knows people will complain about the price.
These guys are doing it for fun, not profit.
BTW, click on the three vertical dots to the right of your comment and you can edit your spelling mistakes.
What another great episode.problem diagnosed and now for the fix.christian your a genius and so meticulous in your engineering skills.vera for her storing of parts will make the fix easier and so organised.looking forward to the next episode.😊😊
Just amazing team work! When this work is all done and you turn the key for the first time we will all hold our breath together… It will run better than ever and we will all smile together.
Christian and Vera fantastic blog always looking forward to seeing you blogs at the weekend,))) great content as usual you smashed it 😃👊🇬🇧❤️
Oh my God. You know it's LR Time!
Congrats Adrian!
You are both so lucky to have such a marvellous relationship. I am full of admiration for your expertise and the huge task you have taken on.
Well done you two , I'm admiring your work .
Soon as I saw the notification I smashed the Like button, your videos are sensational, funny and brilliant. Love it Christian and Vera, my favourite mechanical channel.
Thanks. Christian
Unbelievable, thanks for this enthralling episode. Fantastic viewing 🥰
Thanks Christian, just changed my oil to Petronas 5W40 after watching your vids in my Range Rover Evoque with 99500 miles and can’t believe the difference 😁
I've asked a number of times, but still have not received an answer as to why 5W40 is better than the speced 5W30. I totally trust Christian's experience, but I'm trying to understand the physics; is it because 5W40 is thicker at warmer temperatures and, for lack of a better term, sticks to the part surfaces longer in hot weather? If there's no downside to using 5W40 (which is used in a lot of diesel engines already), why would JLR spec it as such; is it because it marginally improves fuel economy? I'm really curious as to what's "dumbass" about it, as I don't want to be one myself ;-)
So for my sins I’m actually an ex JLR technician but mainly worked in the Jaguar franchise of the business a long time ago, I remember an issue with some of the old jags to do with oil pressure and lack of it. My dealership decided to use a slightly thicker oil during routine services than what was specd to eliminate future problems with customer cars. I believe the lack of oil pressure was resulting in the pump failing to deliver enough oil to certain parts of the engine which resulted in excessive wear and then a noisy engine, and rebuilds etc etc.
Thankfully I now work for BMW at the Mini plant in Oxford as a manager, so the days of me getting oily and dirty are long gone 😊
I was precise when I said broken between 2-3 journals . Well done for the professional job you done.
LR Time, thank you for your wonderful videos! You have helped me learn a lot of new things about car repair and upskill myself as a DIY enthusiast with your very detailed explanations of the Discovery's intricate mechanics. You make the most daunting repairs look easy.
Greetings from Bulgaria! ( Where most Bosch filters are made :D )
Brilliant work Christian and Vera - l have been looking forward to the video all week and wasn’t disappointed.
Thank you for the joyfulness that you share during your video Heart warming emphatic watching Namaste
You two are just brilliant as entertainers over LR3/4s. Thank you.
Fantastic video as usual, I could watch you two all day!!!
Brilliant! Makes my Sunday watching you both.
Wow it really snapped. Can’t wait to see next weeks video now. Great job 👏
That plug on the cooling pump is because it's a variable flow rate cooling pump I believe. The impeller moves in and out to vary the pump efficiency and hence the flow rate.
Excellent couple working together earning a living. Very rarely seen ❤️
Hi, Christian and the lovely Vera, Your fabrication of a one-off tool to reach hidden bolts just reminded me of many years ago when I did the head gaskets on a Jaguar V12 and needed a crowfoot spanner to tighten the underhead nuts, so, like you I welded one up. It must have been in the mid-1980s.. I STILL have that Spanner but cannot ever remember using it again.. I love you pair on your channel, always bouncing jokes off each other, the hidden humour makes me smile. Sadly I don't do much servicing myself no longer as both older age and illness defeat me, but, I can say I have been there and done it once for years in my life. I LOVE land rovers and always will.. Thank you both. Ian - UK. (age 75 years)
Thanks Ian. Christian
Thank you for all you do. I bought a 2005 LR3 in Kenya. I live in the US and I use it when in Kenya. I love it and you make me love it.
I don’t even have a Disco 3 or 4, I’m still on a 2 TD5 but stumbled across your videos and now enjoying your back catalogue.
Such a beautiful partnership. Loving what you do guys 👍
I have td5 as well with over 850k km, original engine, ones done head gasket and regular maintenance carry on
@@thomtrucker1925 that’s a vote of confidence. Unfortunately the chassis/body is likely to disappear before I get anywhere near that mileage.
Great video. It shows how involved an engine job is on these vehicles. I really hope the Ford/Land Rover engine design and production engineering team are all made to watch this. Reminds me of the old phrase "spoil the ship for ha'peth of tar". I really miss my 4.4 V8 LR3. I think that 4.4 was probably the best engine ever put in a Land Rover.
It is amazing to see you guys gave so much love to this car! I hope the owner would buy it back and reward ypu guys for your hardwork!
Awesome work you two....fantastic that you take the time to put these together...keep up the good work guys and hopefully it will be back on the road very soon
I really hate that I am all caught up with your videos, because instead of able to binge your channel, I now must wait until monday (australia time) for an episode!!! Keep up the stellar work and I look forward to getting my own Disco. Without your hard work and amazing videos i would not have felt confident in owning one.
Thanks. Hope you find a nice one. Christian
Another great video Christian and Vera, looking forward to the next one.
What took place on this engine is why I’ve held back on buying a Discovery 4,
I bought a L405 instead with the diesel V8 + extended warranty 👍
Make sure your change the oil 10-15k intervals & you should see a better service life
Great content, love it, looking so much forward to the rebuilt 🤘🏻
This video is a testament to the inferior quality and short cuts taken at the Land Rover manufacturing process. For the price you pay, it’s criminal. Professional quality video.👌
That vehicle's owner had looked after that whole vehicle.
Witness the immaculate condition of the vehicle, inside, underneath and out, ..... no rusty or stuck bolts..
They certainly didn't deserve that crankshaft failure.
Christian, your summary is definitely accurate, the manufacturer's efforts to reduce production costs has resulted in this broken crankshaft.
It is a crankshaft lottery! Unfortunately.
Flawed crankshaft from new!
I bet they only cracktest a small percentage of crankshafts from the production line....
A manufacturer's acceptable failure rate can cause family heartbreak.... will they ever trust LandRover again.
Could one blame them if they switched allegiance to Toyota ?
Great production !
Not too many OMGs from Vera !
Can I say you both very good UA-camr your skills and experience with landrovers is unbelievable keep the videos coming I cannot wait for next one
Love watching you guys. The work , the entertainment.
Great work! I enjoy watching you and Vera's fun comments! I laugh when ever she says "Oh my God".... LOL! That engine will run beautifully when you are done!
Cristian, you are a genius. 😊A hug from Portugal
You two are the most excellent team in the automotive industry 💪💝
Christian and Vera, another great episode. Wish you well!
It’s already been said this is just the most entertaining channel
Vera and Christian you are great
Great job you two as usual. Christian I completely agree about the three possible reasons for the crankshaft failure. There can be no other reasons that one crank will snap like this one at such a minuscule mileage (39700 miles) and another will do half a million km ( 311000 miles) and more without a hint of trouble, other than the three possibilities you outlined. Looking forward to the rebuild of the engine, at least this time you won't have to line bore the block!
PistonBrokeGarage did this and alot more two years ago, well worth watching their videos
We had a 2019 Sport, Gen 2, 48,000kms. Broken Crankshaft, bent valves.
@@stag4x4 you have my sympathy, the trouble is LR have never addressed the issue properly and people simply reinstall another engine only for it to fail again. The real answer is for a decent conversion to a totally different power plant, or easier just to sell it on...
i´m a LR owner myself, 2 300TDi Defenders 110, 1 Discovery 300TDi also and just sold my second D3 TDV6 ´06, now repairing a ´03 L322 TD6.
Love your content! regards from Buenos Aires, Argentina
I have this exact engine in my Discovery 5 with 66k km and I hope it won't have this problem. Cheers from Kyrgyzstan!
I love Vera’s Voice
Good evening. Vera & Christian. Loved how you found out that the crankshaft was broken 😞 Vera was right take the sump off lol 😆 Brilliant from both of you 🤩 Hopefully the owner has seen this video 👍🏻🏴
I've been looking to buy a 4wd real soon and I must say since I saw you channel I looked up a few discovery 4, its so much enticing to buy a LR as the interior is so much better compared to any Toyota or a Mitsi but neither I have workshop nor I've the knowledge to carry out the work needed to keep a LR running smooth. Kudos to you both, love the videos !!
Wonderful work
Your knowledge of the discovery 3 and 4 is immense.
A most amusing and informative video. For me it reinforces the fact that most modern cars are poorly designed and not built to last. Cracked blocks and snapped cranks are reminiscent of the dark old days of Vauxhall Viva's (pushrods through the valve lifter and snapped cranks), Bedford CF diesels (Snapped cam shafts) Austin 1800 cracked cast iron block - BMW 5 series same issues.
I love watching your videos, I find the interaction between the two of you is very funny😂
These are fantastic videos - thanks both of you
Hi Vera and Christian broke a crankshaft on a 1970s mini at 7-45am taking my wife to work it the shaft broke across the widest web and was still drivable with horrendous noise drove it to my place of work ,engine out by 10am stripped it at lunch time ,had a replacement crankshaft done my days work them reassembled it at5pm back on the road at 8pm cannot do that with modern motors, by the way I worked in AGRA ENGINEERING ENGINE RECONDITIONERS so it was to easy for me,I absolutely love what you and your lovely wife are capable of that’s major work you are undertaking ps I,m not showing off it,s just a good memory
Another great video from you both and very informative, look forward to the next video. .
Love your video's. Spot on with your diagnosis regards failure. I worked in bolting for many years and sometimes bolts would fail under load many months later after installation due to Hydrogen Embrittlement. Sometimes it would proved by sending the parts to an independent test house for analysis and report findings. Magnified photos would reveal the point of failure and the crystallised structure of the surface.
The best channel on UA-cam, and the only videos I habitually watch end-to-end, truly inspirational! You are a great team, you make it look effortless, but your fans know how hard you must work to produce your masterpieces! Long may you continue to entertain us ❤❤❤
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Another great inspiring video. It is amazing how easily you remove the fan and belt tensioner in the last video. I will be dong this tomorrow to replace the belt tensioner. I guess with all the practice you are used to it...
Wish me luck :)
you guys crack me up! I ounce owned a 1968 SWB diesel series 2a, lived 5 years in Switzerland (so am amazed at your sense of humor, have a developed sense of Schadenfreude,) and now drive a Toyota.
Fantastic to see how different this engine is to mine. Such a low mileage failure though very sad. Looking forward to seeing the rebuild 👍
We are still waiting for some parts out of the UK. Christian
These useless engines can fail at any mileage
I'd just like to thank for this series of videos, I was almost considering a Ford Territory diesel with this engine and now i wont ever go near one. (Or a Disco). Great video.
Thank you once again Christian and Vera for the production of another wonderfully entertaining and informative video. I do not wish to be presumptuous however I feel a great sequel would be to carry out a detailed failure analysis of this failed crankshaft considering all of the possible modes of failure. It would be of added interest to have an independent analysis perhaps by a local university engineering department. Solving the mystery of the failing crankshafts would be a most valuable finale. Thank you to you both.
More than an isolated instance of failing crankshafts should have an engine company's internal quality control analysts frantically working overtime until they've solved the problem and prevented a recurrence. If you need university engineering undergraduates to tell you specifically what's wrong with your production processes, you've been hiring the wrong people to manage your company.
Marvellous video both of you so entertaining and Vera’s technical knowledge is amazing oh and Christian yours is none to shabby either fantastic content.
Can I just say you guys are absolutely brilliant 🙌🙌🙌
Been waiting for this all week really enjoyable to watch
The work that you guys are putting in is incredible, on the car and the video, 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍
There are 10,000 other channels on UA-cam that do this content... even some really good professionals... but... non of them match the crazy passion that you both have. I'm an ex BMW employee... and I love LR's... I'm so glad I found your channel! Time to binge watch all your other vids!
Thanks for this comment which I just read at 6:05 getting ready to leave the house for my day job, going to Hannover today to sell a Driveshaft balancer for heavy duty truck driveshafts. Christian
Good morning . Fantastic work you two. I think one day you should get Discovery 2 with td5 engine. That would be awesome. ❤
That was long week waiting for this video. Thanks for your great work.
D4 2016 / 120k km here ;)
We are still waiting for parts... 2nd week now. Not sure what we post next week. Christian
Another top notch episode guys. Love it! Cheers, Chris
Congrats to the winner! Never would have guessed poor quality materials led to crank failure. Bottom end design issues are stacking up, making Christian right about "worst ... the planet." lol Awesome video Vera and Christian!
loving the parts organisation, very proficient Vera👌👌
Awesome team work 😊
Great job both 😊
Fantastic video guys keep up the good work 👍👏
Another great video thanks really enjoyed watching looking forward to next week cheers Mike
Nice work. Like watching you guys. Hopefully one of these days you will have a project on 4.4 or 5.0 supercharged petrol motors 😊😊
Another excellent presentation, thank you
Great video content by both of you. Can't wait for the next episode. Greeting from Malaysia 🇲🇾
Another fantastic video, thanks guys!
Amazing to watch... What a hobby!! German precision and humour, stereotypically a rare combination :)
Great teamwork!