Konova K7 Review vs K1 vs K2 vs K3 vs K5 + What length slider?
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Excellent review that I needed. It was long, but valuable so thank you. Keep up the great work! After having a Glidecam slider and a Kessler Pocket Dolly, I needed something more stable and it looks like the K7 is the way to go.
Best camera equipment reviewer I've seen here on UA-cam! I was unsure about the different Konova slider versions since people tend to only try one. Since you've actually tried them all, I'm convinced that the 100cm K2 would be a great option. Thanks for comparing all Konova sliders in one review, it was really helpful in making a decision.
Thanks man! (Or girl)
:)
Glad it was helpful.
This is so remarkably helpful. Thank you!
I just picked up a K7 100 with a crank slider because of this video. Thanks Nitsan!
***** Welcome. :)
thank you for your advice it really helped me make a choice.
Great and useful review. Dont' worry about alarm or else. Keep up the good work!
thanks. :)
thanks, great video. lots of cool info.
Thanks for the video mate. Very useful info. Particularly helpful was the comparison of K2 and K3, couldn't for the life of me really work out what the extra £100 or so was for. Seems like not much! Cheers again!
:)
Thank you so much for this. Am now buying a k2.
I'm glad it helped.
Great info, thanks bro
Thank you for the Review.. I was looking to getting the K5 but now thanks to you im going to save some money and get the K2.. It will be perfect... I guess higher grade doesn't necessarily mean better.. lol! thanks again!
im glad it was helpful. :)
Immensely helpful man!!
Amazing review...I just posted you a question about a good slider ... :)
Hey Nitsan, great reviews. I recently purchased a second hand Konova K5 slider off ebay and there is a lot of play in the head. It has a slight rocking motion (side to side) which prevents me from getting smooth slides with a fluid head (there also seems to be lots of micro vibrations). I have tried adjusting the head as per konova instructions but it makes no difference. Any advice would be appreciated. Wish I had seen this before I bought the K5 ;)
Awesome video brother. I am definitely getting the K2. Is there any way possible you can make a short, quick, video showing the effect you get in camera between an 80cm slider and 100cm which you recommend? I was gonna get the 80, but you said you would have 100 if traveling wasn't a problem. I can't find a single video online where people show you what the different lengths of sliders actually look like in camera. Thanks again for another gread video.
thanks.
yeah, good idea, I'll do that.
Nitsan Simantov sweet thanks man. Sorry to always bug you.
c0pyimitati0n That's what the comments are for. :)
I'll try to do that when I can.
Hi Nitsan, Thanks for your great reviews, I'm looking to buy a K2 in the UK and wondered if you could tell me where you purchased from? Cheers Matt
I got all mine from Korea. (I recommend ebay)
but there are also uk ebay sellers who stock konova sliders and accessories. just check the seller's feedback, if it's good then that's where i'd order from if I wanted UK shipping.
Hey Nitsan, really informative video and great review! I'm planning to purchase a Konova Slider Jib J1 and I was debating whether to go for a K2 or K3. I know you've mentioned many times that the K3 is less stable with the flex in the carriage but would you recommend the K2 for shooting with a GH4 with a big lens? Also planning to potentially use the slider jib with a Red in future projects so would you still recommend a K2 or should I consider even going up to K5?
hey. I prefer the k2 or k7. ignore the other ones.
I have the konova j2 jib. it's not very good. won't fit my gym weights and has tons of wobble side to side. also not very lightweight and slow to set up.
I'd highly recommend the kovacam 9ft jib. much stronger, less weight, faster to set up and costs a similar price as the Konova jib upgrade kit.
Ok, awesome. Thanks for the advice! I'll look into it. :)
great review. I like the fact that you actually have the items you're reviewing as opposed to some reviewers who go by specs they see on a website. you've got me convinced the k2 is the way to go. haha. my next question - have you tried the pan tilt motor? I will probably get that also if it's a good product.
I'm glad you liked it. yes I tried the pan tilt motor. see the video I just posted, that's better.
Nitsan Simantov thanks for replying. my bad though, I actually meant the simpler motorized slider that moves it left to right. have you messed around with that one? the pan tilt is both beyond my wallet and my current cinematography skillset unfortunately.
mentalmetal1 yeah I've used most of the motor systems they make.
Again, see the video I just posted. It's a pan tilt slider with no motor needed. Then you can add the msb motor kit to it, which is both compact and low cost.
Hey Nitsan, I really appreciated this video, your explanations are very thorough and clear! So I feel like you might be the guy to ask this tricky question: how do you feel about the K2 or K7 for filming macro shots ? With practice, do you think it's possible to actually move the camera slow and smooth enough (manually), to get a very slow camera movement in close up (what we're filming involves going up to 1:1)? If not, what else might you recommend? Thanks a lot man.
I've not done much macro video myself but in theory it's doable. Recently I spoke to someone who filmed a spider on a rotating platform. The shots were not perfectly smooth when done by hand. ua-cam.com/video/yv2QiLuBQ8U/v-deo.html the platform is very easy to move so it's a bit shaky, i think a slider would be much better.
Might be best to add a motor. Can be really simple, you get a drill driver or a chicken rotisserie or whatever, tie a string around the rotating part and attach the other end under the camera. Also attach the motor item to the slider somehow. Or a better option, attach the motor under the camera, wrap the string around it, then tie each end of the string to each end of the slider. this way you can move the motor in both directions.
Thanks for the crafty suggestion! We thought about something like this as well, but for most shots we just go filming in the jungle, and a slider is really what we need. But one we can move smoothly very slowly... I don't know how it would work with one of the Konovas. If you hear of anything please let me know! Thanks and best to you.
well if you have the budget for it you can just buy the konova motor kit. or the konova flywheel. (Invented by me several years ago and eventually konova made it into a product. I don't make any money off it, other than my normal affiliate links.)
Great vid Nitsan. I'm with Brenner on this one. Going K2 for now. Appreciate it.
thanks. glad you liked the vid. :)
Hi Nitsan I wonder if you can help. I've broken my carriage on the K2 (sheared a bolt) have seen replacement carriages on amazon but they have 2 adjustment rings as opposed to the one on my current K2. do you think this will fit my rails or are the rails wider on each track? The amazon advert doesn't state which track the carriage is made for. Thanks in advance for any help you could offer.
I have no clue. Best to ask Konova, easiest via facebook.
Hi, Nitsan. Found your insightful review and your wealth of experience with Kanova products very reliable and helpful. I have the K5 and am considering the Kanova Slider Jib full bundle (recently, on their website) for greater variety of videography such as craning whilst incorporating a pan-and-tilt. I read your earlier reply to Bhavesh that the Kanova jib slider J2 was wobbly, heavy and with long set-up time. Do you reckon I am wasting my time considering this new bundle?
Hey. Yes the J2 jib I have is not good.
If you have a car then getting a jib could be useful, but go with a better one that's a dedicated jib. Personally I keep my kit more compact for most of my shoots.
Hi again, Nitsan. Is the J2 like the bundled slider jib they are promoting now at their website? The latter has a motorised pan-tilt head. But yes, if it is wobbly and a pain to set up... then it's a no go. Thanks again, Nitsan. BTW, keep up the great work.
I'm not sure if it's the same, I think they've upgraded since the J2.
Hey Nitsan, great video as expected.
I don't want to annoy you with product recommendation request but are there base plates with 2 screws at the bottom to mount them safely without moving on a steadycam?
do you mean quick release plates?
The giottos ones i use have lots of screw holes at the bottom and they also come with two screws for the top plate which i use together when i put a slider on them.
but you can also consider using some rubber or silicone. that can usually prevent spinning for something like that.
Yes I do but I want to securely mount the base plate to the stabilizer.
yeah that's what I mean, some rubber should do it. or two screws. the Giottos are great.
Hi Nitsan ! nice review ;)
What do you think about k2 or 3 with canon c100 ? strong enough ?
+bythewayprod The K2 is better. Yes definitely strong enough. If you have a larger budget then you can upgrade to the K7 or ifootage shark slider.
+ITestStuff ok thanks ;)
i'm about to buy the 80cm version… i'm a bit afraid to take the 100cm one because of the weight of the camera… what would be your notice ?
+bythewayprod oops I replied from a different google account. :)
Yeah i like 80cm. All of them are strong enough IF your tripod is strong enough with a base that's wide enough, etc.
+Nitsan Simantov Well, thank you very much for your quick reply ;)
Hey Nitsan.
I bought the K2 120cm after viewing a few of your videos but I messed it up on the first day.
I removed the tripod screw from the slider plate and screwed my heavy Sachtler Ace fluid head tripod head directly into the hole. For an hour it worked great and I could pan and tilt as I tracked along the slider. But the pressure exerted by moving the tripod head widened the plate's hole and made it too wide meaning the head would flop from side to side until it started falling out altogether.
I spoke to Konova and they sent me another plate, although I noticed this time there seemed to be no threads on the center plate hole.
My question is how should I add my tripod head to the top of the slider? In your videos you seem to have something inbetween your head and your plate but I can't find any info on what that is. In your earlier videos you had a metal adapter box thing but you don't seem to be using that anymore. The screw at the bottom of my tripod head doesn't seem to come out so I need to find a way to screw it onto the slider plate.
You're the expert on all things Konova, what would you recommend? They didn't have any advice for me when I emailed.
Thanks Nitsan.
Alex,
Peacock Studios
hey alex.
there's not supposed to be a thread in the slider's plate. its too thin to work like that.
the only way I know is to use an adapter like you see in my older videos. Google nitsan tripod adapter, I sell them for this exact reason. I have a few in stock and they are £30 each. (not the old silver box, the new one is black and round.)
Nitsan Simantov Thanks for the response Nitsan. I found your video - In stock: bowl-to-flat tripod adapter (75mm Fluid Head to Slider) - which gives more info.
I can't find any links online to buy your adapter nor does your Ebay page seem to currently stock them. Am I missing something? One other quick question, as a ball head under the adapter would be superfulous if I'm using a fluid head on top, can you recommend which Giotto quick release you recommend for attaching to the plate? I presume it would give enough room for the Konova screw to connect through to the base of your adapter.
Sorry for the questions, it must be really frustrating answering the same questions over and over, I did spend a lot of time trying to find the answers among your videos though! There's just so many!
Thanks,
Alex
Peacock Studios
Peacock Studios
Ah, yeah, i need to add it to ebay. if you'd like to buy one then send me an email and we can arrange it.
The giottos mh-631 or 621, whichever you prefer. i like the shorter one.
I didn't understand this question:
"I presume it would give enough room for the Konova screw to connect through to the base of your adapter."
Nitsan Simantov
Sorry I was a bit unclear there. I meant: So I'm guessing the tripod screw that comes with the Konova slider plate is long enough that it will both clear through the Giotto plate and still have enough length to connect to the adapter. Or do you connect the Konova to the Giotto with one screw and the Giotto to the adapter with another screw? I'll send you an email to make the purchase.
Thanks,
Alex
Peacock Studios
Peacock Studios
yeah they are two different screws, otherwise the quick release wouldn't release.
I am looking for a slider but cant decide which one I would start off with.
The ones I am looking at are Digislider 50cm, Edelkrone SliderPLUS small, Konova K2.
Have you tried anyone the ones Ive mentioned above and if so, which one would you recommend? or would you perhaps go with another slider/brand (like Konova) for your first slider?
Thanks in advance!
/Karl
hey.
Here are my thoughts about all these:
Digislider - No. It has no roller bearings (much less smooth). it's built using igus parts, that was fine in 2009, not anymore.
Edelkrone - Very expensive, especially with the price of each accessory, and gives no big advantages over a normal slider. A tripod is already long-ish when folded, having a shorter slider doesn't help at all, it weighs the same or more than others, and the longer ones are super expensive.
Konova K2 - Gives good value for money. And it's motor kit is super cheap too.
RatRig - Insanely cheap and works really well.
Ifootage - Far better than anything else on the market, especially after you add a konova MSB motor kit - and also use the extension rails from it to make my awesome DIY pan/tilt system (google nitsan pan/tilt), which can be used for live motion or with the motor. The flywheel included with it is enough to make it better than anything else, but add to that the fact that it is infinitely extendable with almost no extra carrying weight, and that it will fit in most suitcases, just makes it totally awesome.
Nitsan Simantov Thanks for the fast reply and answer!
I did some calculations with some super awesome visuals in Excel in order to see which one is most affordable.
All sliders are "small" versions and calculated for shipping to Sweden.
Also, all prices comes from their own websites except iFootage from gearcontact.com.
Konova K2 - Slide: 600mm, Cap: 12kg, Cost: $414 (inc crank kit $200, no tax)
Rhino Slider Carbon 2ft - Slide: 600mm, Cap: 6kg, Cost: $499 (no crank kit)
Edelkrone SliderPLUS small - Slide: 400mm, Cap: 8kg, Cost: $559 (no tax)
iFootage Shark S1 - Slide: 640mm, Cap: 7kg, Cost: $694
I would lie if I didnt say that iFootage is one sexy beast but it is unfortunately also the one that cost most. I'm atleast going to wait until christmas for any changes in price.
If you have anything to add or anything that might help then I would be greatful, it will probably help others that cant decide.
***** cool.
Don't bother with the crank kit, it's useless without a rotating weight.
Makes a big difference to the price of the Konova. Or for even less money, the ratrig slider, which looks simple but is surprisingly good.
The ifootage is well worth the extra $$$ if you want the best slider around, if not, don't waste hundreds on the other two, get a cheap one like the K2 or ratrig and invest the money you save in other stuff. Tripod, fluid head, glidecam, lighting, etc.
You can also consider the Came-TV slider, it's very similar to the ifootage but with no extension rails, and it costs the same as the Konova+crank+diy weight.
Nitsan Simantov Hi again, Im still looking around for the iFootage but on their website they urge people to buy from known distributors.
So my question is, who are Rollei and are they legit?
Because it seems like they have some sort of partnership with iFootage.
Thanks for all the help.
***** I have no clue whatsoever.
Nitsan did you have to pay import or tax to the uk? gonna get this at the end of the month!
yeah almost anything you import has tax/customs charges. there are online calculators for that.
Or you could just buy it in the UK from one of the many dealers that offer them. UK dispatch, UK support.
Now i know im not alone when i keep redoing my reviews. Lol
@bfreemedia
Oops. Just a mistake.
Do you have the konova motorized system? If so is it good?
I've had both their Smart and Basic motor kits. I have videos about them. I like the basic one a lot more. it's simpler, cheaper, faster to set up, etc.
Nitsan Simantov cool thanks
hi, sorry i dont speak english very well, just i want know if the k1 its ok? and smooth? just pour traveling in wedding ... thx for your answers, they are a big difference between the K1 and K2? thx all
Get the K2, it's better. More stable.
:)
Nitsan Simantov But would the K1 still be a good product, cause I noticed it has 1 size smaller at 48cm that the K2 doesn't. Looking for something really portable for doing weddings, like ring shots.
Tom Lim yeah if you're not using a fluid head then it's fine.
Is the K1 an older product? Thanks!
Tom Lim
it's actually one of the newer ones. it's a smaller version.
Are these made of Aluminum or Carbon fiber ???
Thanks
With sliders if you see a squarish shape it's always aluminium, at least anything I know of.
why do some Konova sliders not say K1 k2 k3 etc. some just say Konova on them? would you know, are those fakes?
Question too vague. Without a link I have no idea.
I've not seen any fake ones.
If you get it from one of the main eBay stores that sell Konova products then you will get a genuine one.
sorry, losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pho/5134423411.html
here is a link to a craigslist post of one I want to buy, the guy said he isn't sure which model it is, and i thought all of them specify the model on the camera mounting part
I doubt it's fake. I've never seen a fake Konova. My first guess would be that it's stolen, if the guy doesn't know what version he bought.
Or I guess it might be a really old Konova with the newer feet attached. I've never used an older Konova but I remember seeing upgrade kits which upgraded older sliders with the newer feet.
what is the weight capacity on the K2
Take The Stage NC Entertainment I donno sorry. A lot, but I don't know how much exactly. It should be in the specs somewhere.
You said thats a veravon tripod when its clearly a manfrotto......
Clearly
Why didn't you cut the footage? All your takes are in a giant sequence.
time constraints.
recently i have been trying to do more edited reviews but i don't always have time.
he doesnt has needs to do it... its awesome the way it is...
ilusaosemlimite I think when he commented there was a mistake in my video. I forgot to remove some stuff from the start. Fixed now with the youtube editor.
ilusaosemlimite thanks by the way. I'm glad you liked it.
11:10
Thanks!