2024 TCL QM8, Hisense U8N: Bravia 9 Challengers Are HERE!
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I watched yesterday and this morning. TCL is looking very good to me.😊
It’s cheap too that’s what matters to some people but for me not for me Sony all the way every year. It looks good to you now until you get it home.
Truly amazing that you have all these tvs set up for us. Thank you so much
I think I'm happy I waited, I've been debating on the 2023 version of the qm8 but now they made the 2024 and I still don't know what one to fully buy quite yet but thank you for this comparison! What would you recommend? I could save money buying the 2023 qm8 or get the 2024 qm8 or something good for my living room.
The #1 test scenario I want to see with the 2024 QM8 is brightness with BFI in 120fps content (PC Gaming).
With 5,000 nits capability, does it reach 2,500 nits in BFI? Does BFI change tone mapping? Are all calibration controls still available with BFI?
I still think you should try to evaluate upscaling even if they are all 65 inch TVs
Thank you for the specific details on the video Fomo. I made sure to finish it though I watched it in parts. I am in Canada and deciding between Hisense U88N 65" ($1498) / 75" ($1998) and LG C3 65" ($1998) and Samsung S90C 65" ($1898). My current TV is the Hisense 9908 55" bought in 2019. Content is mostly streaming and occasional gaming in a bright room. What would be a good upgrade, please suggest. Thank you
Great work fomo!
no, bad!
It would be nice to compare C4, Bravia 8, and S90D. Maybe throw in the Bravia 7 since they all fit in a similar pice range.
Great Review!!!!
Nope...watch HDTVTest and Classy Tech Calibrations they do much more one to one thorough tests this was really really bad if you know what FOMO was really doing here....like most youtubers using the wrong settings, not comparing one to one. Just bad man! Learn about the technology from experts then you can see through all the bullshit on youtube. He can be quite good from time to time but he's not consistent enough, very frustrating when you want to know how they perform compared to the reference and get this mess instead....also this wasn't a review.
He is misleading if you don't know much about tech (I studied and work in tech and have learnt alot about the TV side from the pros) as he does do more than alot of other TV reviewers but doesn't do it well like the pros mentioned above.
I'd really like to see a showdown between the 2024 qma and the u89 side-by-side with only them.
What size are the tvs? Tcl Qm8 info says up to 5,000 zones and 5,000 nits. Im wondering if the size changes the nits and l assume only the 98 inch is 5,000 zones. Its been reported that the 55 inch U8N is only 1800 nits. Not the 3,000 nits in all of the marketing.
looking like the new QM8 is stellar. .
I have a new comparison thought. It would be nice to compare Sony's lineup this year, Bravia 7, 8, and 9, and throw in the A95L to complete the package.
I REALLY wanna see a Bravia 7 vs QM8
The 2024 QM8 is going to be tough to beat, especially for the $$$
Fomo, why not set brightness and contrast settings correctly with test patterns? Changing such settings scene to scene is not a realistic scenario in regular home watching.
What about the tcl qm7 ? I haven’t seen any reviews on it
In cases like that, maybe you should think about purchasing the 4K Blu-ray season that they released, at least we’d get an idea of what it would look like for that particular black crushing scenes in house of the dragon, I’m just saying it’s always good to have some kind of reference Format on hand rather than always relying on streaming. 8:12
We need a comparison between TCL 24 QM8 and LG G4 OLED. 🙏
Doing it now
@@stopthefomo Great, everyone is waiting on such test. 🙏 Please also test Highlights and Black Level, as most say OLED is the one and only in Black Level. (maybe also remember, the 5000 nits model is named in Europe TCL X955, that will help to find more viewers. 😉)
It would be great on size as well. Comparing 83"G4 with 85"QM8, but ideally with the 98"QM8. After all, mini led is a way for us to get larger TVs for cheaper/comparable price over OLED
What HDMI splitter do you use?
Great video, as always!
@30:08 HDR still causing trouble for even high end TVs 🙂 Clearly you should be able to see the image there. Maybe I'll pull it up in SDR on my Blu-ray and see what it looks like. Alita also looks really bad in Professional mode.
Even the A95L looks like a $200 TV as if a black hole absorbed the 3-dimensionality of the image and all the colors and that TV. I watched Alita in 3D SDR a year or two ago and it looked amazing.
I think it's his camera setup and what brightness you watch it at that matters too. A95L couldn't look that bad. it's just a darker graded movie, it would look awesome in a darker room!
Man such a difference between all these sets. Huge huge Sony fan and owner but eyeing up the 77 S89C.
That's only because he wasn't using the equivalent settings that they looked so different. He put the QN900D from the accurate FMM (Static TM CE Off) to something like Standard Mode very early on in the video, which uses Active TM and CE Low.... 😄 He clearly knows very little of what he is doing like most youtubers. Digital trends is pretty bad too more like an ad....that just reads specs sheets and little else. Others use OOTB settings quite literally, so no good for comparing at all.
Only watch the pros HDTVTest and Classy Tech Calibrations if you want to see how TVs perform one to one. They are the only ones that seem to actually care about giving the right info and educating you properly so much more thorough. 😀
In the meantime Canadians are still waiting for either the U8N, U9N or the QM8 to be available and no idea of the pricing either.... TCL Canada website has the qm8 75inch at $3500CAD... hopefully it will be cheaper at the stores.
@ALL Canadians. You need to force yourselves to pick up a side career as US to Canada smugglers. Find a way to get across the border and smuggle in 85 inch tvs to get US availability and US pricing. We know most of you live near the border anyway because too far north and you are basically in the arctic and would turn into Yetis.
No availability yet but Amazon has the U8N listed:
55": $1599
65": $1899
75": no price
100": $6998
@FOMO, in your opinion, does the 2024 QM8 need a professional calibration? That's an important thing for us to know as many of us don't have calibrators near us, in addition to the added cost. I had to have Classy come to my state to calibrate my C2 last year.
Not really, not worth it because TCL hasn't done a great job with the calibration tools on their TV - better to calibrate the U8N if you need accuracy. '24 QM8 is perfect for bright room watching (what you'd normally watch as Cinema Home on C2) especially bright punch content but if you watch darker moodier movies, then I'd go with the U8N as it has more refined shadow detail/processing.
@@stopthefomo would you then not recommend QM8 in a dark basement? I would be buying either 98" Qm8 or 100" U8n. Use case is streaming movies, shows and console gaming. In your video the other day it seemed you were more impressed with QM8. If you don't catch this response I'll ask in a super chat in one of your future videos.
So glad I waited for the 2024 QM8
Hey FOMO, with the updated brightness and additional dimming zones, is the 2024 QM8 a better HDR impact television than the G4?
Yes. 5k nits > 1.5knits
@@crunchtime4l hopefully but considering perfect blacks from an OLED, I doubt it’s as simple as nit count.
Could you please also provide a supply voltage related information related to 2024 QM8 ?
Does it have possibility to plug into 220V electricity - I saw some TVs where an appropriate red switch was used to switch between 110-220V (I want to use this TV in the Europe).
Also related to the power block of 2024 QM851G - is it an external block (like in laptops and in some TVs - where the input of that power block alreay marked as e.g. 100-240V ~1.3A 50-60Hz) or it's internal in the TV ?
Thanks in advance
@stopthefomo @FOMO - could you please reply and help me understand the answer of my concern above ?
Fascinating 😮
What was fascinating exactly?
It very visible how LCDs want to overkill on brightness and essentially killing the picture quality. Too difficult to set a good mode for different scenes. Tech is good but packaging not there (yet). With brighter OLEDs i guess no need to look elsewhere anymore.
This is strange its QM8 rly that brither then a oled ?
I have TCL QM8 its super good but man their upscaling and sharpness on low bit rate content is rubbish, anyway to fix this issue ? My Sony X90F and Samsung Q7FN has better upscaling and sharpness when compare to QM8. other then low bit rate QM8 just as good as LG G3
How's the processing and blooming on the TCL QM8 with subtitles?
no one knows cause all youtubers are only using high 4k content and not showing us upscaling capabilities and motion
Man, TCL seems to have knocked it out of the park this year.
I'm going to wait on the Hinsense U9N to compare that to the TCL QM8, besides the peak brightness and ADZ in both being comparable on paper it's the processing comparison I need to see.
Totally feel you! Processing and upscaling is key for me bc I watch sports. Seems like TCL lagged behind Hisense in that regard last year, but looking much better in 2024.
Any reference to processing in this video? I find the elephant in the room is how much better Sony's processing is than these TVs.
Right of the Bat 900D lookin Bright
Waitng for a comparison between the U8N and Bravia 7.
I wont trust the Bravia 7 much. Because I have seen in Person last 3 yrs (cuz I was trying to get new tv, n see if I would get new or wait) , x90J X95K, X90K, x93L x90L. X90L has several matted blooming screen. X93L x90K has Sever -rainbow smear 😮. It’s like coast a StarWar Light sord in front of tv. N X93L only has Hisense 2021 Hisense U8G LEVEL local dimming , BUT only 2150:1 native contrast. Hisense 2020 H9G already had like 6000:1-7000:1 Native contrast crisp.
NO JOKE. I forgot when my dude saw X90K(he’s not into TVS) first reaction was “is this IPS?” (He was NOT mocking SONY, when used to see clean crisp 3D image, u see so mething bit dull n mushy it is Immediate like. No joke. Hisense n(maybe LG) their panels dont have Rainbow Smear. TCL, SONY, Samsung Flagship LED all have Rainbow Smear. So u cant really fully open window or have lights on often. Like which negate the reason buying a TOP Bright LED. 😊
My silly rambling. Sorry about that. Yeah SONY Bravia 7 will look Good prob at Shootout etc. but doubt its as functional. It’s like buying a rain coat but not water proof . Yeah that rainbow effect, creates a LONG BRIGHT wide BEAM cross entire TV , like 2-3’ feet long , like dark screen with Bright Crack. It was strange cuz I am NOT used to see that in store. Because my old $5000 SHARP LED, or now my Hisense U8 never have thoes. 😊
The latest firmware for the '23 QM8 (v295) actually fixes the black crushing in DV (where it clips 1-3% completely in v283) and improves HDR10 greatly. It's a little less aggressive about retaining small specular highlights, but in exchange for fixing some of the black level issues. Probably the best that the set has looked thus far. Not sure if your set has received it, since TCL is so slow to roll updates out. Flashable USB version is up in the AVSForum thread though.
Crazy, I've been trying to update my 2023 QM8 for the last 2 weeks by clicking "update" and it's last update was still July 2023 - it won't do OTA. I'll check out the flashable USB - what sucks is that most consumers won't know what to do beyond enabling "auto-update"
@@stopthefomo Yeah, mine wasn't updating automatically either. There's a small guide on how to update manually in the "TCL 2023 QM8 Mini LED Google TV - Owners Thread" on AVS Forum. Post #7,706 in that thread has a basic guide and directs you to the proper file. After this update, the 2023 QM8 is awesome for the money if you can't quite justify the 2024 QM8.
OK, read the owners' forum on this and it appears to be a mixed bag with some people reverting back the earlier firmware - this is probably why TCL has not committed to rolling it out as it's likely still in QC? www.avsforum.com/threads/tcl-2023-qm8-mini-led-google-tv-owners-thread.3275454/page-368
@@stopthefomo I think one guy had issues. Time to YOLO FOMO!, roll the dice on your qm8 23 so we don't have to!
@@stopthefomo Yeah, someone did have that weird backlight issue. I was a little worried myself, but there is a way to rollback to V283. Post #7,324 can point you to the files.
So I want to buy would you recommend the newer QM8 24 or the QM8 23
get the new one, it has solved most of the black details that got lost in the 23 model.
Very good and extensive comparison, thank you Mr. Fomo. Isn't it surprising that we all thought that mini LED was going into the dust of tech but look at the improvements of these mini LEDs. The 2024 QM8 looks like it improved things that consumers complained about and the 900 series was an expensive tv with the same ole - same ole but was a material upgrade this year. Let's be fair, while the Sony (A95L/Bravia9) has some advantages these tvs shown will have some advantages as well. There is no perfect TV and like you said, you have to make a (informed) decision on what things you like and which things you are ok with not having. The next test could be motion and upscaling 😉 to help us all with informed decisions. Thank you.
Nope...watch HDTVTest and Classy Tech Calibrations they do much more one to one thorough tests this was really really bad if you know what FOMO was really doing here....like most youtubers using the wrong settings, not comparing one to one. Just bad man! Learn about the technology from experts then you can see through all the bullshit on youtube. He can be quite good from time to time but he's not consistent enough, very frustrating when you want to know how they perform compared to the reference and get this mess instead.....
He is misleading if you don't know much about tech (I studied and work in tech and have learnt alot about the TV side from the pros) as he does do more than alot of other TV reviewers but doesn't do it well like the pros mentioned above.
@StopTheFOMO How is motion on the new TCL QM851? 🤔 is it decent?
no one is answering this and its getting annoying. maybe its bad as last years which is why they dont want to answer
U8N is on sale at best buy already, $1099 for the 65”
I dont see that price
You can even see on the stream that the u8n had horrible posterization.clearly,the 2024 qm8 beat the hisense
When will the qm851 release?
2024 QM8 may not be more accurate than Sony's A95L, but if I have to Watch movies, it's going to be my choice
Why are you saying that you didn’t like the U8k when in three separate videos you said you did? Does “Excellent Excellent low bit processing.” Ring a bell
I think he meant that he didnt like it for his own taste. Kinda like apple vs orange thing. Like when MOST common consumers will like Apple, n some movie Buff with Specific taste for Certain flavour they want an orange. :):)
Kinda like I dont watch Movies any more unless they are NOT OLD Grainy mushy blue pale. Then there ppl are INTO THAT they seek that is Pinacle of Theater experience. They look for WHAT is d bEST processing in THEATER type FILM shows. It’s a “MUST”. But for me it’s a “Secondary” or “not biggie”.
So yeah his opinions are valid. Just diff strokes for diff folks.
what screen size of u8n? low contrast seems its 75 ads panel.
i want to buy it, but video show how is bad for me...i need to know its 75?
@Stop the FOMO Hi can you tell me if the QM82024 in Europe is the C855? Would they rather take the Hisense U8N or in my case the C855 please for help thank you super video greetings from Germany
C855 is not the same as QM8 but they both are about equal tbh. Get the TCL
DUDE that Fenix person is SONY FAN. Most SONY chasers hate Hisense somehow. U should just sit on it see in person check it out then make the educated choice. Kinda like adopt a puppy, when in Dogson, when u meet the dog its diff feel. Whatever make u like”this is the one, my heart skipped a beat a beat (yeah over tv)” n do that :) 😊
U better Wait it out to see more reviews.
For me I would get HIsense because I had $5000 60” led before , n Hisense did NOT disappoint as the “passing the torch” TV. I will wait for U9N Come out lol. :) :) first :) any of them are NO fail.
But Hisense is known to have TV sound like $800- $1000 sound bar. I heard the U9N has even more upgraded sound. I am 1 WEirdo had $5000 tv (came with mini subwoofer) way back, so to this day i never had sound bar lol. When I buy any OTHER tv, a $1700 tv is $2700 to me, a $2300 tV is $3300 to me lol. Then id be like :”ah, the extra $3000 not worth the upgrade of TV image, not worth it”. So i end up stuck with Hisense cuz their SOUND are like $4000 + tv level. Lol. 😂 yes, ppl have thoes $2000 Klipsche LEGIT large Theater sound system, they are better.
@FenixPajarito Okay, thank you for your reply and help.
@@simon8129 u should wait out to see in person . They r diff seeing in person .
@@Yoga_Tv_buying
Don't Call me Sony fanboy lmao, yes I like Sony because it offers quality but that does not mean that I'm bias towards all Sony products when it comes to tvs I have owned more Samsungs than Sonys recently. So calling me Sony is invalid. 🤦♂️ And if I am a Sony fanboy then maybe Fomo Brian and HDTV are also Sony fanboy right? 😒 You call me Sony fanboy but what are you? LOL you recommend Hisense Tvs a lot but I've heard those Tvs have a lot of issues Fomo said it too and when I when to some best buy stores to check tvs they told me that Hisense was the most returned TV of the year along with the TCL due to problems with the panels....
75 inch
23 qm8 1200
X90l 1600
Or u8n 1500 with best buy subscription (500 off)
U8N $500 off no longer requires the subscription plan (I just looked) unless that's a memorial day weekend sale price.
TCL is doing great.
Sony focuses on the things we need most with motion, color accuracy and most of all upscaling on all that streaming we all do! Compression is still making it so even the stupidly expensive TV's won't even use the power it has. Not even close. Just get the 85" x90L with hta 5000 soundbar system. You'll thank me for having an amazing theater room for $3000 instead of $6000+
Would you reccomend hisense u8n or qm8 2024
From what I've seen I would go for the 2024 QM8.
@@rkeith7766 What makes it better?
2024 QM8 has better dimming zone control, more tone mapping options and better black bars. Mine was also more color accurate out of the box compared to my U8N. The U9N will have the better processor and more dimming zones.
@stopthefomo I'll keep that in mind during memorial day and 4th of july sales.
@@stopthefomo Also dont buy a 55 inch version of UN8. It is not the same TV as 65 inch and above.
Huge work ! Such a lack of luck , you could not put a x95l on this test (as Bravia 9 is supppsed to be far better than x95l, while Bravia 7 a bit more luminous and way more accurate)
Bravia 9 won't be Far better lol.
I think we’re a little too forgiving on Samsung, they should always be two steps I had of TCL, and as for Sony, skin tone accuracy when a television leans too much in the blue/cool, I don’t know about all that. As for the high sons , let’s just base it. They didn’t even try this year, the you ate K would most likely meet with the same results competing with these TVs. just about the same results, high did not try this year. Shame, they are starting to take notes from Samsung.
Samsung dominance is big but picture quality and color calibration is not good enough.
It should be a law that when comparing OLED with Mini LED you MUST include a star field test.
No one cares about that
@@ericswanson9773 That's an absolutely STUPID reply. It shows you know NOTHING about the subject or the purpose. Enjoy your Best Buy $999 tv.
Super rare in movies
@@TheRealJohnHooper THAT'S....NOT...THE...POINT!
It's a TEST!
I agree the most important especially for LCD tv to exactly show the weaknesses and strengths between LCDs👍🏻
Qn900d 💪
QM8 2025 7000 nits and 8k 120 !!!
Nope, just checked, still $1499 for the 65” U8N…
Bravia 9 vs qm8
Fomo!! Its started...Im getting fomo after buying my new tv...damn these videos!
At 40:07 I dont get how bad the blooming is on the 900D? Gee my QN95C from last year looks 100 times better?? Do think I made the right choice going mini led!
@@flyingtoupee My QN95C is amazing my friend.
@@sj460162 keep telling yourself that! when local dimming is always half backed, good luck finding someone who can just take it out of your house for free at best
U8N is a better mini led .. I don't know what Fomo is doing in his videos but the U8N has an incredible image processor and picture. The price is lower than the competition plus it basically has a low tier sound bar built in. U8N is by far the best mid-range mini led by far 🤷🏼♂️🤣
Samsung need to improve picturd quality
Listen mate stop shitting on Samsung all you comment are about Samsung. You sound either like a rep or a toxic retailer fan boy staff. The Samsung NEO QLED 8K actually looks more like an OLED and better quality than all the other to me and others in the live stream
I said it here 2 weeks ago, same as FOMO saying here at 1:13:27... that .. Hisense U8K is AWFUL Processing, really BAD.
Where is this said? Every reviewer said that the U8k was a good tv even fomo not that long ago. Have you lived with one. It’s a given that the next version of a tv should be better than the one before
Watch the FOMO answer to Q at 1:13:27 "I did NOT like the U8K last year... because of its PROGRESSING".
I just went back and watched 3 other U8k videos of his where he praised the tv and recommended it and even said it has better processing than the Qm8 so what’s the deal. Digital Trends says the same thing in a comparison
they both have horrible upscaling and motion. I returned last years u8k and this years u8n both grossly horrible outside of 4k
Who watches TV for the real scenes? Greyscale boxes and 1917 stairs all day
FOMO the way you presented the A95l is not the A95l I know. It has much better quality than what you pertrayed. It appears you have made a deliberate effort to 'prop' up the hisence and tcl and a subtle effort to discredit the a9l. The Sony's processing and quality is still a blast.
TCL wins again
Your camera over or underexposes video. Until your camera is capable forget demo
This TV can’t touch Sony doesn’t matter what you show about this TV. It’s gonna always come up short his sons LG Samsung yeah they always fighting for second place.
Sony fanboy lol
TCL wipes the floor with samsung
How could you tell, they were clearly using different settings? There should be only small differences for shadow detail, average picture level, highlights and processing when they are set to do the same thing, use their most accurate modes.
What TCL you comparing TCL to Sony it’s laughable look if you guys want to know what is the best picture quality TV on the market? It’s always Sony every year in fact just to be on the safe side before you make your purchases. Always check with HD TV test with Mr. Vincent Much more reliable knows all about the different TV brands and always share. What is the best picture quality TV in the market every year but if you wanna save some money and get the cheaper TVs, yeah listen to UA-cam videos like this guy and others who focused on LG Samsung TCL TVs and Hyson TVs
Dont compare SONY with the brand like TCL or Hisense , unless China brands are sponsoring you .
Below are of the tricks the reviewers used when evaluating tv , whether you want to the glass is half empty or the glass is half full .
One example , if you say SONY tv is not the blackest Black , i hv seen seen has a much blacker Black ‘ , this will create impression SONY is not the best .
Or you say like , TCL is an outstanding tv for the price , I highly reccomend this tv . This will sound very impressive .
SONY basically is the best tv , i dont care if robot measurement indicate other wise . IT is your eyes you hv to trust l the color , the detail and the upscaling of lower reso content are the best .
😂
@@FenixPajarito He is right, upscaling on the TCL is really bad but he just leaves it out, I wonder why?.......see it depends on what you include and exclude or what you emphasize and demphasize. It can be very misleading. Like it's well known that China uses slave labour, cheaper components and heavily subsidises it's products......what's why it's so cheap.......don't support that shit! I wouldn't want to support any Chinese made product if I can reasonably help it. (full stop)
No way a shitty shink TV can compete with SONY Bravia 9
So you know that all LCD TV buy LCD panels from Chinese companies
I'm really sorry for you...I wish you only the best✌️
If the Bravia 9 doesn't SMASH every one of those Mini LED's it will be a failure.
Robert says Bravia 9 on the 20th.
Brian says Friday.
You say about 2 weeks
You people are driving us crazy! :)
Maybe Brian can do a video on it Friday because Robert probably gets one in early before actual release date. This is only a wild guess though.
@@thatsamazin- They both go to Robert's for new tvs.